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Fringey Mini: Cue the Dream, Solve the Puzzle · Journey to the Fringe

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  Okay, Chelsea, I think I'm going to let you pick
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  this one. I have one, two, three, four, five,
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  six, seven articles to look, sorry, six articles
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  to look at. Are they categorized? I'm going to
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  give you categories. One's on animals. One is
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  on space. One is on UFOs. One is on pollution.
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  One is on dreams. And one is on space law. Those
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  all sound really good. This is a really tough
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  one. I'm going to go with... I was going to say
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  dreams, but then you said space law, so I think
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  I'm going to go space law. Oh, and you know what?
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  I'm going to stop it there because that one turns
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  out to probably be a video because the article
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  itself is maybe a paragraph long. Okay, well
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  then I choose... Dreams? What's the one I said?
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  Dreams, yeah, that one. Okay. This article comes
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  from Above Normal News. It was written on February
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  16th, 2026 by David Freeman. Article title, Scientists
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  have found a way to hack your dreams and it actually
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  works. I'm listening. Well, that's good. I'm
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  actually really happy when you tell me you are.
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  I think it's the first time I've actually told
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  you. That is not, but that's okay. A team at
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  Northwestern University played sounds in the
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  ears of sleeping volunteers during REM sleep,
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  watched those volunteers respond from inside
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  their dreams using pre -arranged physical signals,
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  and then measured what happened when they woke
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  up. How did they watch them in their dreams?
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  No, they watched them respond from inside their
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  dreams. So like they could see them like do something
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  measurable. Oh, like outwardly. Okay. Yeah. Okay.
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  The people whose dreams were successfully steered
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  towards specific unsolved puzzles were twice
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  as likely to solve those puzzles the next morning.
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  The ones who forgot their dreams entirely but
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  still responded to cues while unconscious solved
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  at the highest rate of all. The study, published
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  in February 2026 in Neuroscience of Consciousness
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  by Oxford University Press, is led by Karen Arconcoli
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  at Northwestern's Psychology Department. With
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  collaborators at the University of Notre Dame,
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  it is one of the most direct experimental demonstrations
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  ever produced that REM dreams actively contribute
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  to creative problem solving, not as folklore
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  or anecdote, but as laboratory findings backed
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  by statistical analysis and physiological recordings.
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  20 participants took part, most of them frequent
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  lucid dreamers capable of becoming aware they
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  are dreaming while still asleep. Each came to
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  the lab for two overnight sessions about a week
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  apart. On each visit, they arrived two hours
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  before their usual bedtime and were given a series
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  of creative puzzles designed to resist analytical
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  step -by -step solving. Matchstick problems,
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  rebust challenges, spatial and verbal brain teasers,
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  the sort of things where you either get the flash
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  of insight or you stay stuck. each puzzle came
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  with its own unique soundtrack a 15 second clip
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  of music or environmental sound participants
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  had three minutes per puzzle listening to the
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  soundtrack on repeat while they worked when they
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  failed they listened to the soundtrack one more
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  time and memorized their pairings the evening
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  continued until each participant had banked four
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  unsolved puzzles then came the wiring electrodes
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  were applied to monitor brain waves Eye movements,
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  muscle activity, heart rate, and nasal airflow.
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  Participants watched either Inception or Waking
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  Life while the setup was completed. Amazing.
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  Then went to bed with specific... Why would they
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  make them watch Inception? I have so many questions.
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  They watched Inception? I was not listening to
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  that part. Participants watched either Inception
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  or Waking Life while the setup was completed
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  and then went to bed with specific instructions.
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  At 4 a .m., they would be woken for 20 minutes
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  of lucidity training, a technique that pairs
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  a specific triple beep sound cue with a lucid
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  state of mind as they drift back towards sleep.
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  After that, sounds might be played during their
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  REM periods. If they became lucid, they could
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  signal by performing rapid left -right eye movements.
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  If they heard a puzzle soundtrack they should
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  start working on that puzzle and signal by sniffing
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  rapidly in and out through the nose. Of the four
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  unsolved puzzles each participant carried into
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  sleep, researchers randomly selected two for
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  cueing. The other two served as controls. When
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  REM sleep arrived, the team first played about
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  10 lucidity cues and then began feeding in the
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  puzzle soundtracks and title recordings for the
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  two selected problems. Cues were delivered every
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  15 to 30 seconds, starting barely above the threshold
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  of hearing, increasing only while the sleeper
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  showed no signs of arousal. I assume they mean
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  like waking up by that. Yeah. Any twitch of muscle
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  tone, any flicker of alpha waves, and the volume
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  dropped back down. After each REM period, participants
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  were woken and asked to recount everything they
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  could remember. 15 of the 20 participants had
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  at least one dream involving an unsolved puzzle.
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  Cued puzzles were incorporated into dreams at
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  a significantly higher rate than uncued ones,
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  with the effect reaching P less than .001, just
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  meaning not chance. The cueing worked exactly
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  as designed. Playing a puzzle soundtrack during
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  REM sleep made people dream about that puzzle.
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  The dream reports read like transmissions from
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  somewhere profoundly strange. One participant
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  signaled lucidity with her eye movements, heard
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  a puzzle name played in her ears, then confirmed
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  with sniffing signals that she was working on
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  it. When she woke, she described recruiting a
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  friend's daughter in her dream. The girl, who
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  in the dream had autism, did not speak, climbed
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  onto a seesaw. Watching this, the dreamer realized
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  something about the puzzle. The scales were not
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  flat. The actual puzzle required moving five
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  matchsticks to balance a hanging scale. Whether
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  the seesaw vision helped remains unclear. She
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  never solved that one. Another participant's
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  case was more striking. She responded to two
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  puzzle cues in real time while sleeping, confirming
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  through sniffing signals that she was processing
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  them. We do not use sniffing signals enough,
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  apparently. Nope. When she woke, she remembered
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  almost nothing. She had been looking through
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  a dresser. Papers with puzzles were inside. She
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  solved one and got little celebration. She could
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  not say which puzzle. The next morning, she solved
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  both cute problems. Something happened in her
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  sleeping brain that her waking memory could not
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  access, but the cognitive benefit was real. What's
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  the cognitive benefit? That they were able to
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  solve the puzzle, I think is what they're saying.
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  Because, like, they cued up certain sounds to
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  make them think about those particular puzzles,
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  and they solved those puzzles. Oh, okay. I don't
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  see that as a benefit, but okay. Yeah. This connects
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  to the study's most unsettling findings. What
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  fucking weird stats. Yeah. The people who tried
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  hardest did worse. The people who processed the
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  problems without any awareness of doing so did
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  best. The researchers suggest that non -lucid
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  dreams may enhance unconscious incubation by
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  allowing incorrect mental pathways to fade while
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  the brain ranges across distant associations.
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  Deliberate effort during lucid dreams may do
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  the opposite, dragging the dreamer back into
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  the same wrong approaches that created the impasse
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  while awake. That's interesting. It's like, it's
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  your awake. problem solving that's still trying
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  to work through it and it just can't think outside
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  its normal box. So it's not helping to lucidly
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  dream. Whereas if you just like let your brain
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  go with the flow and you don't remember any of
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  it, you're going to solve it. Like that is bizarre.
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  Yeah. Puzzles that were dreamed about by any
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  measure were solved the next morning at 42%.
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  Puzzles not dreamed about were solved at 17%.
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  That difference was statistically significant.
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  But how are they controlling the puzzles that
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  are being solved? Because they're giving them
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  four puzzles. But they're only playing songs
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  for two of them. So they're controlling the ones
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  that they tried to make you dream about versus
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  the ones they did not. Oh, okay. Okay, that makes
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  sense. I was like, how are they controlling the
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  puzzles inside a dream? Dreams are widely known
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  as uncontrollable. And if you can't control them,
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  it's actually shittier, apparently. Exactly.
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  Widely known. Yeah, I think that's far enough
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  to go with this article. It actually goes on.
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  You know, I could probably finish it. There's
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  six. No, we can leave it there. People will link
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  to it and you guys can go take a look. Yeah.
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  But yeah, that's something like I've always,
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  I don't know. It's really interesting that I
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  wouldn't have thought that way. Would you? With
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  regards to like lucid dreaming actually being
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  detrimental to your learning ability? No. I can't
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  say it's something that I've ever really thought
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  about or thought we should do a study on either.
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  Yeah. Just to be straight up. But like we always,
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  we've known at least for a really long time,
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  like sleeping on something is beneficial. Like
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  your brain makes connections while you sleep.
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  Yeah. To make you better at things that you're
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  trying to learn. Yeah. And it's almost like from
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  the study they're showing that you can do things
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  during your sleep, but like. Trying to control
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  how you're learning during the sleep isn't going
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  to help at all. In fact, it probably will hurt
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  overall. Come on, I shouldn't say hurt. Just
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  not as good as letting your body naturally go
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  with the flow. Yeah, I wonder if it's, I don't
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  know. It feels like it's right on the tip of
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  my brain, but I can't. Maybe you should sleep
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  on it. Yeah, maybe I should sleep on it. We can
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  talk about it in the next episode. Other than
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  that, like, what are the implications? Like,
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  why did they go into this study? Why did they
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  need to do this study? Maybe... But they wanted
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  to see the impact on different types of sleep
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  and cues while sleeping on problem solving or
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  learning. Yeah. Which is just wild. Like, completely
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  not remembering your dream at all is the best
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  way of learning as opposed to either remembering
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  your dream about it or intentionally taking control
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  of your dream and trying to learn during the
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  dream. Like that is just wild. In the end, at
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  least I don't lucid dream. So in the end, I think
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  I'm better off is what I've learned from the
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  study at least. Yeah. Although I don't think
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  we're trying to like intentionally said anything
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  while we sleep either. So who actually knows
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  if it's just like, let your brain run wild. Yeah,
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  you should definitely. And I'm sure somewhere
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  in there, there's a plug for us to say, you better
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  be listening to us while you sleep. Yeah. It's
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  best just to listen to us while you sleep because
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  then. You're absorbing all this like such good
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  knowledge and just calm that you guys need for
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  your soul. Yeah. Soul. Yeah. Anyhow, you guys
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  got 48 hours. You need to sleep and listen to
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  us like the whole time. And then if you run out
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  of episodes, you do it again. Yeah. And then
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  you do it while you're awake. And it's supposed
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  to be more beneficial that way. Anyhow. Bye.
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  Bye.