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Tot Athena Strand, 7, Found Dead, KIDNAPPED by FedEx Driver. · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace and absolutely perfect, beautiful, loving
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  Speaker 1: seven year old girl goes missing, seemingly vanishing into thin air.
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  Speaker 1: Step mom pulls out all the stocks, tries to find
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  Speaker 1: her to no avail, and now all eyes turn to
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  Speaker 1: a fed Ex deliveryman. I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation
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  Speaker 1: and Sirius XM one eleven. First of all, take a
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  Speaker 1: listen to our friends at CBS, d F and W
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  Speaker 1: first cruisiveen nowt here all day long trying to figure
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  Speaker 1: out where exactly she is. It's a very wooded terrain,
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  Speaker 1: and just a few moments ago I actually saw another
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  Speaker 1: group of volunteers with flashlights as they try to go
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  Speaker 1: out trying to find Athena. Now take a look at
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  Speaker 1: your screens. This is what seven year old Athena's strand
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  Speaker 1: looks like. She was last known with her dad and
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  Speaker 1: stepmom at her house on a County Road seventy three
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  Speaker 1: near Cottondale. Here's what happened. According to the Sheriff's Office,
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  Speaker 1: Athena's stepmother called the Sheriff's department just after six thirty
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  Speaker 1: last night, saying Athena was missing. After searching for about
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  Speaker 1: an hour. The two had an argument and then Athena's
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  Speaker 1: dad wasn't home at the time. Right now, officials think
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  Speaker 1: Athena walked out on her own. You're hearing it just
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  Speaker 1: as everyone heard it at that time. The search is
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  Speaker 1: on for the seven year old little girl. She looks
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  Speaker 1: like a little angel. So many questions rolling right now.
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  Speaker 1: How do you have a fight with your stepmother and
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  Speaker 1: then suddenly just disappear from the family home. With me
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  Speaker 1: and All Star panel and make sense of what we
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  Speaker 1: know right now? Alexis Terscha joining US Crime online dot
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  Speaker 1: Com investigative reporter Alexis First of all, this takes place
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  Speaker 1: in Paradise, Texas, And from what I understand, that's about
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  Speaker 1: forty miles northwest of Fort Worth. What can you tell
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  Speaker 1: me about Paradise, Texas. Well, it is in Wise County,
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  Speaker 1: and you're exactly right. It is northwest of Fort Worth
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  Speaker 1: and Dallas. Arlington is considered part of the Dallas metropolitan area.
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  Speaker 1: It is a small area. It's just a county that's
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  Speaker 1: only about seventy thousand people. Even though it's near these
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  Speaker 1: really big cities, it's a much smaller community. Seventy thousand
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  Speaker 1: people straight out to Robert Crispin, joining US private investigator.
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  Speaker 1: Also former Federal Task Force officer for US Department in
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  Speaker 1: Justice d EA Miami Field Division, no lack of business
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  Speaker 1: in Miami. Former homicide Crime Skits Children investigator now at
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  Speaker 1: Crispin's Special Investigations and you can find me at chris
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  Speaker 1: and Investigations dot com. Robert seventy thousand people in the
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  Speaker 1: big scheme of crime. That's still considered a small town. Now, Listen,
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  Speaker 1: I grew up on a red dirt road literally much
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  Speaker 1: much smaller population. But when you're talking about suspects, you
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  Speaker 1: can take out I mean statistically women, You can take
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  Speaker 1: out everybody younger than let's just say ten. You can
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  Speaker 1: take out everybody statistically older seventy or older. And then
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  Speaker 1: what you've got left out of seventy thousand in the
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  Speaker 1: big scheme, Crispin, that is a small suspect pool, especially
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  Speaker 1: when you're looking at an area that's over an hour
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  Speaker 1: drive in traffic from a big city. You think you're
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  Speaker 1: in a safe community, right you would. But what that
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  Speaker 1: seventy thousand does is it it really gives you the
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  Speaker 1: opportunity to narrow things down versus being in a population
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  Speaker 1: of several million in a city, so it really helps
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  Speaker 1: the investigators narrow down, especially in the area where this happened.
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  Speaker 1: Being I believe it was somewhat rule. You're going to have,
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna have witnesses, and you're going to have stuff
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  Speaker 1: that's going to point you pretty much directly to your
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  Speaker 1: suspect pretty quick, versus something happening in downtown Miami. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I mean talking about pointing to a suspect. To Wendy Patrick,
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  Speaker 1: California prosecutor, author Red Flags and a new book, Why
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  Speaker 1: Bad Looks Good, Biblical wisdom to make smart choices in life,
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  Speaker 1: love and friendship. She's at Wendy Patrick PhD dot com
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  Speaker 1: and you can hear her on Today with Doctor Wendy KCBQ. Wendy,
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  Speaker 1: when a child goes missing and step mommy is the
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  Speaker 1: only one at home with the child, the first place
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  Speaker 1: you look is step mommy. You separate her from everybody else,
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  Speaker 1: and you hone in on the questions they cause as
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  Speaker 1: minutes go by. When a child is missing, every second counts.
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  Speaker 1: Children that are abducted are usually killed within three hours
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  Speaker 1: if it's a stranger abduction. So the first thing you
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  Speaker 1: do is you get set mommy and put her on
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  Speaker 1: the hot seat. Exactly right. You start at the very
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  Speaker 1: core of where the child went missing, and then you
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  Speaker 1: work outwards. So you're right, it would start with a stepmom,
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  Speaker 1: it would begin to extend to the next door neighbor,
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  Speaker 1: and it would very slowly and methodically go from there.
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  Speaker 1: Because you're right, it is within the first three hours,
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  Speaker 1: So that would be exactly where you would start. And
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  Speaker 1: you'd want to get that testimony while it's fresh. You'd
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  Speaker 1: want to get that interview so you'd be able to
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  Speaker 1: then move confidently to see who else could have been
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  Speaker 1: in the area. And with a small town, you'd think
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  Speaker 1: it's more likely somebody saw something. Yeah, you know, And
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  Speaker 1: I'm curious. Alexa's trust shut You've given me the gist
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  Speaker 1: of the area, but I need to know. Do they
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  Speaker 1: live in an apartment complex as a family dwelling? Was
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  Speaker 1: there a gate around it? Because I remember the case
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  Speaker 1: of Isabella's Celice, and you and I covered that together.
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  Speaker 1: Isabella was taken out of her home by a stranger
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  Speaker 1: to her. He tangentially knew the family. But I kept
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  Speaker 1: looking at the entrances in exus to her home, and
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  Speaker 1: they had a huge wall, remember that attached to the
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  Speaker 1: side of the house in the front on the sides,
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  Speaker 1: and went all the way to the back and joined.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you'd have to jump over the wall, and
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  Speaker 1: she was much too small to do that. So any intruder,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, how do you get into the home? So
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  Speaker 1: I need to know about the timeline, what happened that
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  Speaker 1: day just before she disappears, What time did she disappear,
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  Speaker 1: and what, if anything do we know about the structure?
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  Speaker 1: Alexis tres Chuck. So she came home from school about
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  Speaker 1: four fifteen, and so if you think of four fifteen,
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  Speaker 1: but it's getting dark at four fifteen, now it's getting
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  Speaker 1: it's just before sunset really, which is you know, right
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  Speaker 1: around five. So she goes in her house. She finds
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  Speaker 1: out this is what you know, her mom has said
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  Speaker 1: that her dad was no mom. Well mom, well but
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  Speaker 1: because the mom. So she goes in the house. She
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  Speaker 1: finds out her dad is not there. He has left
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  Speaker 1: to go on a hunting trip. And apparently she was
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  Speaker 1: Julio upset about this. I mean, she probably just likes
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  Speaker 1: dad and wants to spend some time with him. So
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  Speaker 1: she then there was apparently an argument with her stepmom
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  Speaker 1: about this, and stepmom didn't see her for a little while.
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  Speaker 1: So fourthoteen, So we won't wait a minute right there.
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  Speaker 1: What do you mean stepmom didn't see her for a
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  Speaker 1: little while. What does that mean? Well, the stepmoma has
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  Speaker 1: said that there was they had an argument. She didn't
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  Speaker 1: say what kind of argument it was, but that then
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  Speaker 1: she didn't see the little girl. So I guess she
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  Speaker 1: thought she went into her room in her house. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: she sent her to her room, but she just said
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  Speaker 1: she didn't see her for a little while, and then
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  Speaker 1: she made dinner and she went to get Athena for dinner,
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  Speaker 1: and she went to her room, couldn't find her, looked
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  Speaker 1: around the house and couldn't find her, and that's when
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  Speaker 1: she started to get panicked. We also know alexis Terrestie.
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  Speaker 1: This is a single family home and it's about two
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  Speaker 1: hundred yards away from the street. Two hundred yards that
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  Speaker 1: is a long way. I mean, think about a football
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  Speaker 1: field is one hundred and twenty yards. That's two football
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  Speaker 1: fields away from the street. So what person is going
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  Speaker 1: to come all the way up the driveway and drive
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  Speaker 1: back in there, get to the home, get the girl
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  Speaker 1: and leave without being noticed. Another thing I'm gonna go
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  Speaker 1: to Scott A. Johnson, forensic Psychologists, joining us out in Minnesota,
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  Speaker 1: thirty two years in the business. You can find him
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  Speaker 1: at Forensic Consultation dot org. Author of multiple books. Scott Johnson,
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for being with us. Isn't it true that a known,
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  Speaker 1: a tried and true parental technique is when your child
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  Speaker 1: throws a fit or it's angry at you, you let
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  Speaker 1: them cool off, right, let them go to their room,
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  Speaker 1: let them color, do their homework, you know, until they
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  Speaker 1: get hungry and can ask you for something. But long
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  Speaker 1: story short, a cooling off period. We even suggest that
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  Speaker 1: to parents. In fact, that's in the written letter of
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  Speaker 1: the law when you are discussing a crime of passion.
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  Speaker 1: If the p has a cooling off period and returns
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  Speaker 1: and commits a murder, it's not in the heat of
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  Speaker 1: passion because there has been a quote cooling off period,
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  Speaker 1: in other words, for the passion to subside. You're not
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  Speaker 1: angry anymore. So it's recognized in the black and white
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  Speaker 1: letter of the law. So certainly it would apply in
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  Speaker 1: this case. The stepmom let the little girl go to
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  Speaker 1: her room. Correct, she did the right thing, so let
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  Speaker 1: the child calm down and be heard and just let
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  Speaker 1: it do. So, Okay, time stories with Nancy Grace. Okay
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  Speaker 1: to you, Elisa Terreste. Do we have any idea how
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  Speaker 1: long the stepmom and the daughter were separated before stepmom
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  Speaker 1: that comes concerned. It was only about an hour, so
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  Speaker 1: I said she had about four or fifteen. About five thirty,
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  Speaker 1: the stepmom realized that that's when she went to look
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  Speaker 1: for her, and so she looked and looked. It took her.
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  Speaker 1: She was looking for her for an hour. I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to say that she waited an hour because she didn't.
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  Speaker 1: She was looking for her. And as you can see,
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  Speaker 1: you know from some of the photos video from the scene,
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  Speaker 1: it's the property is wide. She probably could have walked
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  Speaker 1: all the way down to the mailbox. She was looking
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  Speaker 1: around for her, looked at the house, maybe behind the house,
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  Speaker 1: if there was a play area. But she was looking
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  Speaker 1: for her for an hour, and that's when she called police.
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  Speaker 1: And again with that, I don't find that unusual, Wendy Patrick,
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  Speaker 1: because I've told you this story before when John Davy
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  Speaker 1: went missing in the babies or a superstore. I grabbed
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  Speaker 1: Lucy like a football and started running to the front door,
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  Speaker 1: which was all glass, because I immediately feared that someone
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  Speaker 1: had taken him out and that was the obvious exit.
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  Speaker 1: Screaming my son is missing helped me. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: I was looking all around the store before I even
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  Speaker 1: can dawn on me to call nine one one. So
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  Speaker 1: I find that perfectly normal. Yeah, I remember that story, Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: And you know it is normal, and it's especially normal
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  Speaker 1: if it's a large property. I mean, if you've got
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  Speaker 1: a long way to look, if there are number of
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  Speaker 1: places she could have walked to, even on the property,
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  Speaker 1: you know, even if it's dark, and especially perhaps if
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  Speaker 1: it's dark, should probably look a little more closely. It's
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  Speaker 1: not unusual. And you know, Alexis did a great job
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  Speaker 1: of specifying it's not a delay where she's sad and
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  Speaker 1: just wondered what she should do. She was actively looking.
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  Speaker 1: Can you even imagine going upstairs to get your stepdaughter
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  Speaker 1: for dinner and she's gone. I mean this that thought,
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  Speaker 1: I know, nanthy Uni, what that feels like. Your heart
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  Speaker 1: just just races. And so this mom probably didn't even
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  Speaker 1: have a concept of time as she looked through her
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  Speaker 1: property unfortunately unsuccessfully to find this little girl. She immediately
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  Speaker 1: COLLS nine when one following a search for the little girl,
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  Speaker 1: take a listen to Nick Starling, CBS. When I asked
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  Speaker 1: Sheriff Lane Akin if someone could have possibly taken her,
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  Speaker 1: he told me all options are on the table at
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  Speaker 1: this point and they will leave no stone unturned. Now,
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  Speaker 1: several dozen search crews have been out all day in
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  Speaker 1: the air and on foot trying to find this little girl.
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  Speaker 1: On usually you find the child close to the house,
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  Speaker 1: under the house, in the eddy, in the laundry, under
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  Speaker 1: the bed. Usually that's what happened, but it didn't happen
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  Speaker 1: this time. So then the next thing is you look
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  Speaker 1: around the house, and then you've got to expand that
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  Speaker 1: as time goes on. You know that sinking feeling, that
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  Speaker 1: feeling like, Okay, they're here, they got to be here.
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  Speaker 1: You look under the bed, you're look in the closet,
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  Speaker 1: you're look behind the shower curtain. Then you go out
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  Speaker 1: in the yard, you're look in the car, and that
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  Speaker 1: feeling that sinks in when you've run out of places
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  Speaker 1: to look. Let's hear what Sheriff Lane Aiken has to say.
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  Speaker 1: And that search, for the most part was that area
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  Speaker 1: of the house, inside the house, under the house and
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  Speaker 1: then the immediate area and that six acred track where
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  Speaker 1: they live, but they weren't able to locate the child.
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  Speaker 1: Later on in the night, we had THHP who came
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  Speaker 1: to help, and multiple local pds joined in and helped
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  Speaker 1: us in the investigation and the search. And in the
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  Speaker 1: night time we had a DPS one on one helicopter
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  Speaker 1: and DPS one on one and four PDS Air one
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  Speaker 1: that were there and they had thermal imaging helping to
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  Speaker 1: locate the signatures on the ground, but they didn't find
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  Speaker 1: anything other than wildlife rabbits, hogs, and some deer and
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  Speaker 1: no indication that there was any human activity. They're doing
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  Speaker 1: everything right at that point. After thermal imaging, helicopters and
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  Speaker 1: bringing in the Texas Highway Patrol to help, they take
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  Speaker 1: another step to find this little girl. Take a listen
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  Speaker 1: to the sheriff. Local law enforcement as well as Rescue one.
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  Speaker 1: Search and Rescue one had their cannine teams and those
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  Speaker 1: cannine teams worked throughout the night in the darkness until
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  Speaker 1: the early morning hours trying to pick up a track
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  Speaker 1: a trail. They picked up a short trail that just
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  Speaker 1: kind of circled around the house and then headed back
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  Speaker 1: over toward twenty one, twenty three, two different dog teams
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  Speaker 1: ran that track out, but steel we didn't find a SnO. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: Robert Crispin, they're doing everything right. Did you hear what
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  Speaker 1: the sheriff said about the dogs. They bring in the dogs,
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  Speaker 1: they go round and around and around the house, and
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  Speaker 1: then that's it. That would suggest she didn't leave the house. Correct,
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  Speaker 1: They would have picked up on that scent and they
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  Speaker 1: would they went somewhere with that sect with those dogs.
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  Speaker 1: Those dogs are fantastic, which immediately is going to make
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  Speaker 1: them jump to that child was removed on that property,
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  Speaker 1: hence taking his case apartment or the child is somewhere
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  Speaker 1: on that property since the dogs aren't indicating she left.
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  Speaker 1: Another thing, could you explain what the thermal helicopters do? So?
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  Speaker 1: The thermal imaging is in other terms called flir forward
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  Speaker 1: looking in for red. And what it does is it
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  Speaker 1: it projects down onto the ground or in the air
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  Speaker 1: wherever to pick up heat from a body, heat from someone.
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  Speaker 1: You see it now on Fox News all the time
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  Speaker 1: when you see a lot of the goes coming across
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  Speaker 1: the border. It's nighttime and you see a bunch of
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  Speaker 1: white images walking through a very dark wooded area. So
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  Speaker 1: the thermal is going to pick up on the body
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  Speaker 1: heat and it's going to tell you if there's a
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  Speaker 1: child lost. They use it a lot for children that
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  Speaker 1: are lost in the wilderness or people that are lost
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  Speaker 1: in the wellness. In this case, they're looking for maybe
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  Speaker 1: the child wandered into the woods and got lost or
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  Speaker 1: is vetted down somewhere, and that thermal imaging or that
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  Speaker 1: flar is going to pick right up on it and
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  Speaker 1: it's going to hone in where that kid is. It's
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  Speaker 1: very amazing technology. And what about the fact that there
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  Speaker 1: is a six acre track For them to search six
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  Speaker 1: acres of wooded land, it's going to be very difficult. Well,
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  Speaker 1: the helicopter is great because it can cover such a
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  Speaker 1: large area and that flur they can dial it in
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  Speaker 1: to within a few feet, or they can go out
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  Speaker 1: a little bit wider and start to do a grid
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  Speaker 1: pattern and fly back and forth, which is why you
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  Speaker 1: see helicopters flying in circles or up and down or
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  Speaker 1: back and forth. They're doing a grid, sir, and they're
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  Speaker 1: projecting that flur under the ground and they're going to
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  Speaker 1: pick up things such as a deer, they're going to
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  Speaker 1: pick up a rabbit, they're going to pick up a duct,
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  Speaker 1: they're going to pick up anything that is emitting to
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  Speaker 1: keep and it's going to lock onto that child. And
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  Speaker 1: it didn't. And of course, to special guests joining us
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  Speaker 1: a forensic psychologist Scott A. Johnson out of Minnesota, why
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  Speaker 1: is it that children, when they are faced with an
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  Speaker 1: argument with their parents, they may go hide. Why do
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  Speaker 1: they hide? Well, they're sorting to get out in their head.
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  Speaker 1: You know, why is mommy or daddy angry at me?
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  Speaker 1: Or maybe they're angry at mom or dad for being
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  Speaker 1: angry at them. And I think it's just hiding makes
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  Speaker 1: things better at the time. I guess it's just a
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  Speaker 1: human nature. The next thing cops are doing now the
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  Speaker 1: shaff tries to piece together a timeline. Remember, at this juncture,
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  Speaker 1: if step mommy is not involved and daddy's not involved,
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  Speaker 1: that means this is a stranger abduction. A stranger abductions
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  Speaker 1: over whelmingly the child is killed within three hours. So
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  Speaker 1: what's the timeline? Listened to Sheriff Lane Aiken had about
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  Speaker 1: four or fifteen seven year old a thing of strands
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  Speaker 1: stepped off her school bus. Arriving home like she does
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  Speaker 1: almost every day at County Road thirty five seventy three
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  Speaker 1: in Paradise had about six forty pm that same day,
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  Speaker 1: Why Is Canty Sheriff's Office dispatch perceived a nine one
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  Speaker 1: one call from athena step mom reporting that Athena was missing.
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  Speaker 1: Within about fourteen minutes, we had deputies, ms, volunteer fire
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  Speaker 1: departments there and there was a search that commenced just
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  Speaker 1: right away, you know, as far as I can see.
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  Speaker 1: Alexis Teresta a crime online communist to get a reporter,
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  Speaker 1: and they wasted no time. As soon as they got
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  Speaker 1: the call from the mom, they did their own all
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  Speaker 1: out search. They brought in thermal imaging, as you heard
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  Speaker 1: Robert Crispin describing floor, they in dogs. They're doing everything,
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  Speaker 1: and they're doing it quickly. They also very important nail
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  Speaker 1: down the timeline. They're doing everything right so far, and
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  Speaker 1: they even had people on horses searching because it's you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's not an urban area, so they're searching all around
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  Speaker 1: thinking maybe she got lost, but if somebody took her,
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: maybe they're still close enough that they could find them
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: and get her back safely from them. They absolutely took
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: this very seriously. They did not think that she had
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: run away at all. They were very worried about her.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: The minutes tick by in the search and then there
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: is a break. Take a listen to share of Lane Aiken,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: and we want to send our condolences out to the
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: family of Athena Strand. Her body was recovered about two
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: hours ago, maybe three six miles that direction. It hurts
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: our hearts to know that that child died, so much
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: so that that she is on her way now to
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: the Medici Sammer's office and there's a Texas ranger in
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: front of her, and there's a Texas ranger behind her.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: This community does not like losing our children, and we
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: could see it because of all the people who came
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: out and helped us throughout this ordeal. The stepmother is
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: doing everything she can to find Athena. The bio dad
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: is gone. Of course, he turns around and comes back,
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: but he's gone. At the time of the disappearance, there's
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: no indication of a forced entry. There were no visitors
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: in the home, no relatives, no next door neighbors came over.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: Take a listen now to our friends at WF Cheer
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: of Lane Aiken of Wie County told us that law
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: enforcemen got a tip Friday regarding little Athena that they
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: knew a FedEx driver had been in the area of
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: Athena's house in rural Paradise around the time she went missing,
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: but the tip and investigative work leading them to thirty
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: one year old Tanner Lynn Horner, the driver of that
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: FedEx truck who was delivering a package to Athena's home.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: He was taken into custody on Friday and gave a
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: confession to investigators per the sheriff, telling them where he
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: dumped Athena's body. It was found roughly six miles southeast
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: of Boyd. Investigators believe she died within an hour of
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: being abducted. An autopsy will be performed as well. You're
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: hearing reports of the discovery of this seven year old
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: little girl's body. Authorities were led to her body by
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: a tip, a tip about a fed Ex delivery person.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: It's every parent's worst nightmare. I was recently writing another book,
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: and it's called Don't Be a Victim. When I was
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: resar Don't Be a Victim, I did a whole segment,
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: a whole chapter on how to stay safe at your home.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: And I wrote on and on about what to do
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: if a delivery man or a repairman comes to your
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: home that you don't know. I don't mean cousin Eddy
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: that can fix your fridge, mean anybody that comes to
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: your home, whether it's the pizza guy, the painter is
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: going to paint the back of your house, the delivery guy,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: the electrician, how to take steps to protect yourself. And
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: you know, when I wrote the book, I was thinking
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: about mostly women living alone or with their roommates gone,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: that find themselves alone and face with a prospect of
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: letting an unknown male into the home or female. And
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: I keep thinking about the stepmom, probably in the kitchen
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: fixing supper, thinking Athena was back in her room, cooling
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: off from their argument about Dad taking a hunting trip.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: And somehow, according to what we know now, Athena was
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: no longer in her room. She had been kidnapped and killed.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: I'm just imagining Stepmom, you know, making the pasta or
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: whatever she was making, and setting the table and she
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: goes to get Athena for supper. She's gone. Take a
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: listen now to our friends at kate x as Our
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: cut seven. The body of seven year old Athena Strand
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: has been found. A Wis County Sheriff Lane Atkin announced
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: late last night that Strand was kidnapped by a fed
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: Ex driver. That driver, he says, was doing a delivery,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: had Athena's home at the same time. Atthena left home
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: after an argument with her stepmother. Sheriff Atkin says she
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: was likely killed within an hour after she was kidnapped.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: Her body found southeast of Boyd, about ten miles from
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: where Athena was reported missing. Too Alexe to us, so
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: did the little girl, we think go outside? Did she
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: never go back to her room? She did go outside.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know if she went back to her room
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: first or not, but she did go out when I
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: guess when the truck was there. You know, Roma, Crispin,
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: it's just too much to take in that your child
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: goes outside to play and you have to worry that
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: the FedEx guys coming up the driveway. I mean, I
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: tell my children when a delivery person comes, don't open
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: the door. Do not open it. And we specifically, like
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: in the book, have a window by the door so
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: you can look out and see who it is, don't
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: open the door. But a seven year old child is
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: thinking like we think, Crispin, and she's already out there.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: She's not in the home and she's outside when this
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: FedEx driver pulls up. Not in the town of seventy
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: thousand people, I guarantee you everybody sleep with their doors open,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: in their cars left unlocked. Innocence of a seven year
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: old probably saw the truck coming up and was excited
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: to run out and say hi and get the package
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: for their parents. That's the sad part or the iron
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: of all this. So back to you, Alexis, to rush chuck, Alexis,
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you about the tip. Apparently it
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: was a neighbor in the community, in the neighborhood that
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: saw a FedEx driver. What do we know was in
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: the tip and why did the neighbor Why did that
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: stick out in the neighbor's mind. Leave that the neighbor
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: had seen the FedEx truck and it was around the
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: same time, and that it was very close to the house,
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: and so they thought, well, maybe something had happened there.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: Everybody knows, you know, FedEx has the tracking on the truck,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: and that that would be the reason that they would
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: be able to trace it very quickly and then they
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: could get the cell phone of the driver and find
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: out where it was. I don't know if the neighbor
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: and went into that much of depth, but you're absolutely correct,
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: Alexis terres Chuck, a neighbor happened to remember seeing a
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: FedEx truck. For all we know, Stepmom didn't even know
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: a package had been delivered. We don't know if it
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: was dropped at the mailbox or dropped on the front porch.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: She may never have even seen the FedEx delivery guy.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: But I want you to take a listen to what
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: the FBI says happened joining us at Fox knees. Listen.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: When you look at the digital evidence that's out there
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: and you combine all these different things, it is very
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: easy need to track somebody if you have a combination
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: of a visual identification of what vehicle was, if they
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: have a tracking device on that truck, and if the
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: individual who kidnapped the girl has a cell phone on her.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure if the seven year old had one
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: on her, but the phone company's in cooperation with law enforcement,
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: especially in an emergency circumstance, they have the ability to
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: track a phone. So and it's pretty easy to figure
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: out where it was. It's just a click of a button.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: It just has to have legal approval straight out to
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: Robert Crispin joining us from Crispin Investigations dot com. So
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: what happened? How did they truck and buy his phone
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: or by the FedEx truck tracker and how does that work? So, Nancy,
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: these FedEx trucks, I'll have GPS's summer along the line
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: in this investigation. It started to move very quick and
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: they were probably able to determine what driver dropped that
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: package off and they probably won't write straight to FedEx.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: And they were able to find out where is that truck,
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: get the history of it. Because GPS is you can
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: go back in time and you can do a playback,
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: and you can do a certain time. You can search
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: between one and five o'clock. It'll tell you exactly where
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: that truck is. And I guarantee they probably went and
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: did that, and that put that truck in that driveway
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: at that time, and it all started to come together.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: Then they were able to go find the truck, identify
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: their driver, and start to move this case forward. Then
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: we can start doing cell phone work, I e. His
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: cell phone, the electronic digital leash that we all carry
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: every single day that reports to towers. There's hundreds of
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: towers everywhere, and each tower has an address. Some are
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: on private property, some are on businesses. And your phone
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: is you're talking and driving, is going to bounce off
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: these towers. If you drive from Miami to four Lauderdale,
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: you're bouncing off ten, fifteen, twenty different towers. And each
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: one of those towers have an address, so I can
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: track you, or anyone can track you, moving up an interstate,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: moving through a neighborhood. Digital evidence the best evidence. It
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: brought him right to mister FedEx Man Time stories with
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace joining me right now. Special Guest, Doctor Kendall Crowns,
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Chief Medical Examiner, Tarrant County, there In Texas Lecturer University Texas,
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: Texas A and M and Faculty, University Texas Medical Branch,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Doctor Crowns, thank you for being with us, No problem, Nancy,
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: happy to be here, Doctor Crowns. I know that you
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: have done literally thousands of autopsies. Is it different when
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: you have to perform an autopsy on a child? Children?
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Autopsies are always unfortunate. You know, it's emotionally a little
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: bit more taxing. But if you still follow the same
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: procedures and you have to come to the answers so
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: you can get the information necessary to help law enforcement
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: find out who did what or figure out what happened.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: Would you say, doctor Crowns that when you have a
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: stranger on stranger child abduction, not when a family member
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: or relative martyrs a child, but stranger on stranger, the
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: motive is usually sex, a sex attack on the child. Yes,
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: typically when it's an unknown individual picking the child up,
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: it is they're a sexual motivation too. Yeuys, I want
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: you to hear more from our fens at Kho you
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: police A Tanner Horner, a contract driver for FedEx, was
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: delivering a package to the Strands home in Wise County
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: when she was abducted. Authorities believe at was killed only
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: an hour after she was taken. The video shared with
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: our sister station WFAA that you're seeing right now shows
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: investigators surrounding that truck in Paradise yesterday afternoon. Authority say
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: Warner has confessed to talk to taking and killing Athena,
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: and they do not believe that he knew the family.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: He's currently being held in Wis County Jail on a
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: one and a half million dollar bond. This little girl
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: was likely sex assaulted and murdered within one hour. This
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: beautiful little life ripped from her family and murdered. Statistics
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: show stranger on stranger abduction of children result in a
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: murder overwhelmingly within three hours. It brings to mind a mother,
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: Aaron Runyon, her gorgeous little girl, Samantha Runyan, and the killer,
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: Ajandro Avila. Take a listen to our cut twenty four
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: our friends from Fox eleven. Little Samantha Runyan was taken
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: from her front yard in Stanton, kicking and screaming. Please
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: ask your captor to let you go. We love you.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: She is my sill little Linda. Please let her go.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: We won't sleep either, were you Alejandra Abila, an accused
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: child molester who had beat an earlier charge a few
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: years prior, dumped Samantha's body the next day after he
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: took her, abused her, and killed her. Abila now sits
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: on death row for what he did to Samantha. Another
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: case where the child and they are so many is
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: murdered within a very short time after the abduction, straight
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: out to our special guests, got a Johnson psychologist. What
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: is the thinking why murder the child and why so
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: quickly after the adduction? Well, there's probably two main reasons.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: One of course is to avoid detection, and the other
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: is likely simply I'm done using the child. They're done
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: with the child, so there's no point in keeping them.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: So it's like the child is why an empty McDonald's
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: coffee cup. He's throw it away, eased it and get
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: rid of it. You know, Nancy, this is Wendy. Another
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: reason it could be that a seven year old is verbal.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: A seven year old is old enough to provide a
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: suspect description, to provide the vehicle. You know, this isn't
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: a three year old, So perhaps that's also a motivation.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: Sometimes in let's say older children older being seven or
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: older than that, she would have been able to describe
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: her as stilance to say, every time the fat X
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: comes to your house, you got to worry about your children.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: You know how many times have I'd been walking or
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: jockey sometimes with one or both of my twins, and
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: I see a truck going slowly behind us or in
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: front of us. I'm like, get off to the side.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: Let mind me see this truck is because they're going
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: so slowly and I don't like that, it's abnormal. And
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: then I see it's FedEx truck or an Amazon truck.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, never mind, it's FedEx. Come on, everything's okay.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: Not in this case. Take a listen to our cut sixteen.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: This is raywas w FAA. The company also says contract
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: drivers have to go through a criminal history background check
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: through a third party. Horner does not appear to have
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: a prior criminal history. Authority say. Horner confessed to taking
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: and killing Athena and is currently in the Wise County
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: Jail on a one point five million dollar bond. As
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: to the why behind what Horner allegedly did to Athena
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: on Wednesday, that is something we don't know yet. It's
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: been a really, really tough few days. It hurts our
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: hearts to know that that child died. And more from
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: special agent with the FBI from Fox And interestingly enough,
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: when I was looking at the FedEx page a minute
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: ago about what it takes to become a contractor, there
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: there are some things that they have, some hoops they
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: have to jump through. But one of the things that
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: surprised me is that if you have a felony or
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: any other record, or you're on probation or have been
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: on parole, they're okay with that as long as it's
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: been a year since those things passed. Now that's very
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: interesting to me because you know, in this country, if
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: you've done something and you're a felon, you probably have
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: a record of doing things. And as we see with
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: this alleged report from this other individual, this person had
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: a history potentially of and most likely of doing these
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: violent things. Yeah, that's a woman, said, a woman who
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: claims that he raped her when she was sixteen years old.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: We don't know the disposition of that case. That's right.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: This guy that fed Ex hired has claims in his
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: background that he is a rapist. Take a listen our
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: friends at crime Online. While Tanner Horner doesn't appear to
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: have a prior criminal record in Tarrant or Wise Counties,
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: sex assault claims have been made against the thirty one
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: year old. Twenty three year old Shay Marie from Texas
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: claimed in multiple Facebook posts that Horner allegedly raped her
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: when she was sixteen years old. In one of her posts,
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: Marie shared a screenshot of a text conversation between her
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: and Horner's then girlfriend. Marie wrote that Horner quote got
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: her drunk with the intention of having sex. Shay writes
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: she was nearly blackout drunk when Horner raped her. A
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: friend of Marie said in a social media post that
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: Marie did report the rape to law enforcement. Marie wrote
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: Horner kept touching her, stroking her legs inside and wouldn't stop.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: Marie said Horner wouldn't give her his address so she
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: could leave, and wouldn't leave the room so she could change.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: Marie says Horner kept asking what he did wrong. Finally
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: Marie got ahold of a friend. She ran in the
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: bathroom to hide until her friend and her friend's mother
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: could come pick her up. In a November twenty seventeen
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: Facebook post, Marie writes friendly reminder that tan Or Horner
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: is a rapist, and in another from just last September,
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: Marie wrote that Horner got her drunk to take advantage
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: of her. Yet here he is driving up the driveway
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: that six acre plot and sitting right there, right there
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: is seven year old Athena outside playing. It's not the
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: first time a FedEx delivery person has been accused of
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: a sex felony. Take listen our friends at crime online.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: Last year, a FedEx delivery man in New York was
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: accused of rape and sexual abuse, evolving several teenagers. He
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: allegedly scouted his victims while driving his route in Duchess County.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: Joshua Again, thirty, was charged with two counts of rape,
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: two counts of criminal sexual act, and forcible touching. WABC
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: reports Guineyard was accused of picking up the girls in
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: his delivery truck, giving them marijuana, and assaulting them. In August,
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: another FedEx driver in New York was charged with murder
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: and arson after an elderly woman's body was discovered after
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: a house fire. Twenty four year old Anthony Dotson of
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: Yorkville drove a route near the woman's home. In March,
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: a FedEx driver in Connecticut was accused of breaking into
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: a Bridgepoort home holding a woman and her children hostage.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: Warren Say Tirek Herbert, twenty, had approached the woman while
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: she was taking a walk and introduced himself as a
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: FedEx driver. The next morning, while the woman was making breakfast,
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: Herbert knocked at her door pointed a gun at the
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: woman and forced his way inside. Herbert ordered the woman
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: to get on the floor. When the woman screamed in
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Spanish for her children to run to a neighbor's house,
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: Herbert began shaking his head and hugging the victim, telling her, ma'am,
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I got the wrong person. Then he left.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: The Post reported that weeks later, Herbert forced his way
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: into a college student's home and raped her. Nearly a
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: year ago, a FedEx delivery driver in western North Carolina
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: was charged with breaking into at least eleven homes before
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: being captured on surveillance video. Investigators found several pieces of
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: jewelry and two guns in the driver's FedEx vehicle. You know,
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: when I see the FedEx driver pull up the driveway,
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: I usually go get a cold water bottle water to
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: give to them and welcome them, looking forward to whatever
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: package they're bringing. It's not safe, and it's not safe
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: for your children. If you think you're invincible, you know
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: your children are not. This step mom could have no
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: idea what was going to befall Athena that day. From
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: Cherish Periwinkle to Jessica Lonsford, children are killed within a
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: few hours after they're kidnapped by strangers. Alexis terres Chuck.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: Where does the case stand now? Though he is in
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: a custody, he has been arrested and the police have
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: said that he confessed. They will not release the details
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: of confession, but they said he absolutely confessed and that
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  Speaker 1: is how they have charged him with her murder. Corner
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  Speaker 1: is being held on one point five million dollars bond.
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  Speaker 1: Reminded to everyone this occurred in Paradise, Texas, where the
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  Speaker 1: death penalty is absolutely in force. We wait as justice unfalls.
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  Speaker 1: Goodbye friend,