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Post-Forbidden Door - and what's next for AEW? · Ignition - an AEW Podcast

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It's Tuesday. You know what that means. It's time for ignition with the
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a W Fan podcast team. This is Kelson and this is Alex and we
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are we are now leaving Forbidden Door season. We had the Forbidden Door.
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Yeah, we had Forbidden Door three. I think it's arguably the best Forbidden
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Door show they've done. I know this is the first Forbidden Door show you
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watched, Kelson, so you know it's definitely the best Forbiden Door I've seen.
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Mm hmmm. Yeah. I think it's undeniable, very undeniable. It's
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truthful. Yeah. I thought it was a good show. Definitely not the
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best aw pay per view they've ever done, but it was pretty strong.
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I think it was better than you know, World's End, better than the
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last show they did. I can't remember what that was. Uh yeah,
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I kind of liked it better than double or nothing. I didn't think it
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just myself. But I'm not saying it was bad. I'm just saying I
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didn't think it was close. I think it left me with a better taste
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in my mouth. Oh yeah, I ordered Osmo's. I don't know if
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you have that in the States. It's like Rice and Trauma, so Yeah,
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that was the taste that I had in my mouth. Anyways, I
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think we want to each talk about our favorite moments for Forbidden Door and try
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not to repeat each other. But I'm gonna lead with what I thought was
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definitely the best match of the night from Forbidden Door, which was the main
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event Swerve and Osprey. I just thought, you know, Swerve, he's
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had you know, four or five maybe six matches since being the champion,
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like some world title eliminator matches, and he had his main event, not
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mean event, but he had matches on the previous pay per views against Christian
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Cage, and he had his match where he won the title vers of Samoa
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Joe. I just think we never had an opportunity for Swerve to really show
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everything that Swerve can do. Yeah, and in a lot of ways,
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Will Osprey is like the perfect guy because he can do everything, and Serve's
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a guy that can do everything. Like, they're strong, they're fast,
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they can do every high flying move, their offense can look brutal. Yeah,
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they compliment each other perfectly, really Yeah, and I was I was
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kind of nervous going into this match that it wouldn't be everything that because they
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had a you know, a big shoes to fill with this match, and
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I was worried that they wouldn't be able to fill those shoes. But boy
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was I wrong. You know, my worries not that I was wrong,
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but I was wrong to worry. But it that way because I thought they
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would. Yeah, I think you really don't know what kind of chemistry they're
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gonna have together. Obviously their friends and they've had matches before aw together,
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but that's like a long long time ago. I don't know if you ever
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saw the video of them having their dance off. Uh No, I saw
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that. Wait. I gave up watching Dancing Dancing with the Wrestlers a few
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years ago. Actually, m this was, yeah, one of the first
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years of Dancing with the Wrestlers. My wife kept asking me, do I
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think they're going to recreate the dance off? And I said, maybe they'll
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hint at it, but I don't think they'll go full dance off in their
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match, and probably for the best that they didn't. But yeah, that
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was definitely my favorite match. I thought it was definitely the strongest match of
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the evening. There's a couple other things that were very good, but yeah,
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I want to hear your guys' thoughts on what your favorite moments and matches
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were. If somebody else, go ahead, because I will wrap it up
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because I think I'm going to say something that maybe you guys don't say.
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So wants to go next to your favorite match or your favorite moment of the
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night. Okay, my favorite match was also the Swerve Osprey match, and
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a very close second to that is that ladder match that went on. But
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really, okay, yeah, I was surprised I enjoyed the Ladder match.
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I didn't think I would, and I ended up really liking it with the
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the Swerve Osprey match. Not only did I like the match itself, I
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liked the I guess it's the storytelling within the match. I liked that they
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at the end it seemed that they were still friends. I like the fact
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that Swerve kissed Osprey. I think that that was a very close moment between
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them and it was nice to see. And as far as the ladder match
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goes, I liked Harry coming out with his goat's head. I thought that
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was the coolest thing ever. I haven't seen Briscoe quite be himself like he
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was in that match. I think he really brought his a game there.
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It's unfortunate that Leo Rush got injured. I'm not sure exactly when or how
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he got injured, but that that was a sad part. But that's my
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that's my top match there. That you mentioned the ladder match, not that
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I felt like it was a bad match, but there were so many other
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good things that I'm really happy that you brought that match up because I really
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do think it deserves your accolades. Yeah, I just want to add,
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like they've had a lot of ladder matches on pay per views, especially the
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big multi mennes, this was definitely the best. But yeah, I always
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feel like filler matches usually, but this one really really brought it I thought,
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so, Yeah, I agree, See I kind of don't. I
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didn't. That was one of my least favorite matches. I didn't think it
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was. It wasn't that it wasn't a good match. It to me,
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it just seemed short. It didn't seem to go as long as their ladder
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matches sometimes ago. I don't know what it was. I think it went
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any longer they would all die To go vote what was your favorite though match
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or moment? Favorite moment? The other night was when Calus got knocked on
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his ass by Prince Nana. That was the best part of the whole life.
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I loved that. I was like, go ahead, and I'm sitting
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there jumping up and down on the cotch. Go go ahead and on and
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kick his ass and then he stuff. I was like, man, but
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I didn't really have a match that was like I mean, the final match
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was great. I gotta agree with and Alex on that, but I didn't
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really have a match that like stood out over any of the others. I
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thought they were all good matches that they just I didn't see anything spectacular.
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But yeah, I mean I can understand that. I mean, to each
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their own, honestly. I mean, you're a fan. You're watching the
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show. Uh, some stuff you can see his spectacular sub stuff you can
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say is ball right? Some stuff you just don't like, and you know,
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and that's be what a fan is. I mean, if you're a
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baseball fan, you may be like, this guy sucks. The pitcher sucks,
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you know, but he doesn't suck. He's a professional. You just
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think you just don't like what he's doing. Maybe ever, or maybe that
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particular night. So let me go move I will share what my favorite moment
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is and it's gonna be a little bit different, maybe a little long.
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And I apologize in advance for this, but I think it's I think it
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really needs to be said. My favorite moment is to show respect. There
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were a couple of reports made by Fight Fightful and I think for Wrestling Insider,
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and I apologize if I got that wrong, but specific I want to
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make three points here. First point was will Osprey against Swerve Strickland. Will
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Osprey reportedly came up with the idea for that match because he thought it was
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important that Swerve Strickland wasn't seen as a placeholder waiting for you know, Osprey
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did come and beat him, you know, so that if you look at
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the end of the match, as NETS said, there was a huge show
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of respect between the two wrestlers, Swerve kissed will Osprey. Will Osprey worked
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his ass over to put Swerve over, not taking anything away from Swerve either
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because he worked his ass off too. The second one that I want to
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talk about is Mercedes Monet and Stephanie Vacker. There was a report that Mercedes
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Monee went into that match with the goal of making Stephanie Stephanie Vacker, and
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he did. I mean a lot of people were saying throughout the match and
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after the match, how great Stephanie Vacker looked. He did. She looked
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great, She was smooth, she was fluid. Everything she did hit one
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right after the other and it seemless fat. But you know who deserves a
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lot of credit for that is Mercedes Monet. Mercedes Monet, and because he
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was in the right places at the right time, and she made Stephanie Vacker
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look as good as Stephanie Vacker deserved the look. And I want to give
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Mercedes Monet a lot of credit for that because Mercedes Monett and Stephanie Vacker both
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put on an excellent match, not just Stephanie, not just versus Mercedes.
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They both did the third thing and the last thing that I wanted to point
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out is and again I have to give credit to Mercedes Monet on this one.
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Mercedes Monet just won the TBS title and the IWGP Strong Women's World title,
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and she allowed Grit Baker to have that moment and to me, you
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heard the crowd reaction her. I mean, it was a special moment and
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Mercedes was did not have to do that and I think that just proved to
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me that Mercedes is an a w wrestler and she is dedicated to AEW and
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wants to do what's best for a W at having Britt Baker come out at
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that precise moment was best for a W And I just loved it and that
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those are my that's my best moments of the night. Yeah, And I
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just want to add, like Stephanie Becker, she looked like the best women's
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wrestler, even one of the best wrestlers periods. She was so good.
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She liked a female will Osprey. It was beauty. I was literally thought
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that that was just beautiful. Yeah. And the real audience turned against Mercedes
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Monette because she was so undeniable and and the fact that, like you know,
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Mercedes lost and that would have just killed the crowd. But the fact
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that Britt showed up right after it was just so perfect. So if you
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think of Mercedes Monette doing everything she can to make Stephanie look like that sets
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up that moment to be so much more impactful. Like, yeah, I
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think she deserves all the credit in the world. I don't know if like
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her kip up when they both did the kip up. If Mercedes mone purposely
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did it worse than Stephanie Vacker to make Stefan, I don't think she did,
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but it made it work. Maybe she did, Maybe she did,
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but it worked. You know. It's weird because after the match, Mercedes
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Monett, you know, said something that actually turned off a lot of people.
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And what she said was and I'm not going to repeat it word for
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work because I don't know if it Basically what she said is that she had
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creative control. Well, you know what, if she had creative control,
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so what she did it right? She got that that match was right.
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Mercedes should have won. The belt was made for her in the first place,
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and she didn't just win, she put over two wrestlers at the same
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time. I don't know. I don't see what the problem people have with
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that, you know, I really don't. So anyway, let's let's move
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on. That was interesting. I enjoyed everybody's So let's I want to talk
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a little bit about the The Drunken Cowboy. You know, there was a
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vignette on what was a collision. They showed the vignette. Yeah, and
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uh, it was interesting. There was a few things in there that I
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really saw that kind of you know, stood out. One was that,
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you know, of course Hagman was drinking. The other was that his house
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was completely empty, like his wife left him and took everything, you know
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what, you know what I mean. So I mean, but the other
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thing is is that tomorrow night on Dynamite we've got Jeff Jared against the wild
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Card is the wild Card Hangman and him page? What do you guys think?
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I didn't see the big yet. It sounds very interesting. It's only
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thirty eight seconds long or something like that, but it's really cool. Uh
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there's no there are no words. Uh, it's literally it's just literally black
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and white scenes and they don't show they don't really show Hangman's face either,
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but you know it's him. Yeah. Sure, been a lot more than
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vignette than I did. All I got was the teeth the shirt at the
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end to make you knew who it was. Other than that, I didn't
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really pay I guess I really didn't pay that much attention to the surroundings.
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I just knew that they were setting it up for Hangman to reappear finally.
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So yeah, yeah, I don't see. I don't see how you have
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I can't you know we had talked about it before when we said Rob van
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Dam we had people we'd like to see as the wildcard. But I don't
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see how you have anybody else but Hangman. Yeah. I mean, let's
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face it. If Hangman is the wild card and they're setting him up to
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join the elite and they want him to be a heel, what better way
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to be a heel tod to come in and claw, do whatever you have
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to do to be Jeff Jared, who just did that magnificent vignette of his
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own about Heart and his friendship with on Heart, right, I just I
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don't know. I loved it. I thought it was awesome. It said
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a lot about Jeff Jarrett. And I've never really been a Jarrett fan.
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I mean, he's been around forever, but he's never really been He's always
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played that bad guy to me. He's always been a bad guy, and
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it is with the guitar. Yeah, And I've never really I mean,
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his original character when he was doing the stuff in WWE, when he had
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was his name as the roadie, that was pretty good. But after that
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I kind of moved away from him. But I don't know, to me,
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I don't think that even though it was as tear, it was as
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feeling invoking and as strongly done, and I can get where he's coming from,
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and I'm you know, that was very powerful. I don't know if
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it's gonna be enough for people TwixT spect him to do do better than the
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first round. I really don't think that people are gonna expect that. Well.
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I will tell you. We did make a post about it on aw
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fat ub subreddit and Greatness of Wrestling's subreddit, and you be shocked at how
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many people are like, oh, we need Jeff Jarrett to win this thing.
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I mean they're really behind him. I mean it really is. He
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really have been yet really, you know, get home with a lot of
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people and it was so sod its purpose and comes up beats his ass.
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Yes, it's gonna piss off people, and that's what you want story.
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Yeah, I think it's gonna be great if that's what it is. I
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just hope that's what it is. And we ain't making this, you know
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what I mean, because we always had this idea what we think is gonna
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happen, and a lot of times lately we ain't been right. So who
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knows. I hope it's I hope that it's definitely Adam Paige. That would
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be well, you know, we just saw repentago On forbid him out,
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man, don't count him out. I'm telling you well, he got he
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he he was injured. He told it. He just revealed to Day yesterday
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that he was going and he was finally came back and he was he was
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not injured going entrepreneur, he was, he said, I quote, I'm
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ready to power bound power bombs some people, you know, which means you
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know, he's an idiot. That means he's fully back. He's missing,
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he's missing his other half though, come on, I mean, oh God,
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put for for Mino when she's in Japan. But anyway, uh,
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let's get back to the Hangman vignette. Anybody else have any anything to say
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about this? Yeah, go ahead, man. Oh, I was just
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gonna say, I'm excited that it's him. I think it's him. I
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think the possibility of him coming back is fantastic. I've wanted to see Adam
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be bad for quite a while, so I think he's going to have a
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fantastic run at this. And I think there's no way to make people hate
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him more than have him beat up on this nice, kind friendly Jeff Jarrett.
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So I'm excited to see it. That's nice. I'm really excited.
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I think Hangman left, you know, as basically ninety heel, so I
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am excited to see him come back. Hangman's always been like the guy kind
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of like Cody Rhodes back in the day when he was in AW. He's
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like such a white meat babyface character for so long that I've always wow,
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Yeah, I've always seen Hangman as the quintessential good guy character, and I
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think he's been that for most of his time in ae W. Yeah,
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I can see that, yeah, and it's always kind of you know,
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it's just it's a guy that I've loved to hate. I respect his wrestling
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ability, and you need guys like that. But I think he's really gonna
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be He's really gonna win me over heel Hangman here, So I'm excited.
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There's an outside chance in my mind that the wild Card, because it's been
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established that the wild Card is joining up with the Elite, I think he's
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gonna be like the fifth members. While the Elite said that they were the
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ones that are bringing this wild card in, were they not yeah, I
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believe so saw makes perfect sense that it's hang Man. Yeah, and I
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think there could be a swerve in there. No pun intended that that it's
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Ricky Starks, because I just think he would fit with the elite. He's
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been m I A and he could be the main event guy, like the
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guy chasing the world title in that group. If they're trying to confuse people,
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uh yeah, go in the less likely direction, then then it could
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be Ricky Starks. But yeah, it's probably gonna be. It'll be great.
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Now let me let me let me expand upon that. I just want
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to hear from net and Sutton on this. If it is Ricky Starks,
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positive or negative? Mm hmm. I think positive. I like Ricky.
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I think he has some unfinished business himself. It would be a good,
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a good trick to play on the fan. And I think that it doesn't
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mean that Hangman isn't coming back. He's just not there right now. That
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doesn't mean he won't show up somewhere at some point, so I can I
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can deal with Ricky. Okay, either way, I think it would be.
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It's it's gonna be. They're gonna be with the Elite for the time
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being, I don't think it's gonna be a permanent thing though either way.
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Yeah, I mean, for me, Ricky Starks is I would just look
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at it as a dive store hangman page. So I'm serious, I would
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be that disappointed because I nothing, Ricky Starks just doesn't have the star power
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that hangman page does to me. I mean not even close. Yeah,
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I mean that's fair. He has not reached that level. He's not the
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main event guy. Yeah, and I think he could maybe be there,
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but definitely not there. Yet. Another reason for not wanting Ricky Starks there
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because Ricky Starks is cursed. Wait and simple, anything that he touches,
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you know, somebody gets injured or they get suspended or whatever. So I
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don't want one of these guys to get injured or suspended. Keep Ricky Starks
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away from them. Yeah yeah, I mean, I mean that's kind of
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a stupid, funny kind of thing I did there. But it's kind of
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a truth too because Rickey Starks it did a promo about it. It's like,
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what the hell is going on? And every time he gets into something,
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you know, somebody gets you know, it gets put the back burner
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or whatever. But anyway, So, Alex, what do you want to
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talk about next? Well, sorry, I just want to go one more
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thing about Hangman here. So I think if he is the guy, he's
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probably gonna win and go on to blooding guts against Team Swerve with Team lead,
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and then probably main event all in against Swerve again. Well, I
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totally forgot about a lot of guts. Yeah, I mean, Swerve makes
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a lot more sense as the leader of the opposition team if you have Hangman
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there as part of the elite, right anyway, interesting, Yeah, good
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point. I guess that takes the store. Next point, we're discussing the
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owen Hart Tourney. I wonder if you guys have any thoughts on ways that
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you see this playing out. You see brand Danielson winning, do you see
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Hangman winning? Jeff Jarrett, I really don't know. I don't know where
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they're going with this one. Yeah, don't for that. There's also the
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women's going heart too, yes, yeah, uh, well we kind of
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already knew who's winning that. Who do you think, Mariah? I mean,
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it's perfectly just. The design for the Wembley Battle is for her versus
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uh and and and after the after the Women's world title match. I don't
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think Nina's going anywhere yet. I think they're gonna do a little to be
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to be a weird way to say, but they're gonna have a little three
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way action there for a little while, and then at the end if the
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when they they have the it's gonna come down to her and uh when Tony
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and Mariah and uh Mariah may are gonna end up battling for it at Wembley
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and hopefully that'll be the changing of the guard. And I think Mina is
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still gonna have something to do with it. Well me and I'm just breaking
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in here. Mina did do a a interview earlier today or yes late yesterday
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as she was returning to Japan, and her quote was, I'm not giving
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up on the aw Women's World Championship. I won't let this be the end.
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That was Mina Shark Kallan. Yeah. And when she first came in,
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didn't she say something about how she was there, something to along the
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lines of I'm here now and this is where I want to be or something
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like that. I can't say. I know she said I'm here to stay.
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Yeah, So I have a feeling she's gonna work between the two,
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which is good. And she has been in Japan, and in Japan she's
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been expressing to the other wrestlers. You know that the other wrestlers are jealous
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of her because she's not only a star in Japan, she's also a star
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in America. Now that's about burfy too. I can just see that.
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Oh yeah, she's been a real pain in the ass in Japan. I
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convent. But on the men's side, I don't know. The men's side,
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it's there's there's. I don't think there really is a clear cut winner
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in my mind yet, because Pack could be there, Danielson could be there,
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Hangman could be there. I mean, who's the I don't remember who
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the other one is now kay wait yeah, I mean the men's side is
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loaded, and the men's side is really not telegraphed. M hm. And
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I think with with with with all of them, you, I mean Pack,
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Pack has the ability to because he's English, so that would be the
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reason for him to be at all Man. Danielson could get a chance to
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get the aw world title at there, and then with Hangman they have the
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rivalry. So I think it's gonna come down to one of those three.
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No, I agree, and uh, it's as I said just now,
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they did not telegraphed it. I mean last year on the podcast when they
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were doing the Owen Hart, we all picked Ricky Stark and who won?
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Ricky Starks from the get go when they did the Continental Cup tournament. Uh,
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do you all picked Eddy Kingston and Eddie Kingston won? I mean it
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was telegraphed. The men's side is not telegraphed. And I'm wondering if this
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Mariah May is not going to win the women's side and see what happens there.
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I mean it could be really interesting. Yeah, but what else?
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What does anybody else think about this? I think Yeah, for the women's
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side, I could definitely see Chris Statlander there, she's done her heel turn.
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I think it'd be an interesting title feud. They could keep Mariah May
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and Tony together a little bit longer, fighting the Chris Statlander together. And
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then if they do go with Mariah May, I'm curious what you guys think
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what that match would be like leading up to it? Are we gonna have
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Mariah May and Tony Phil as friends? Kind of like what we saw last
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year with m JF and Adam Cole or would it they they've fully turned on
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each other and they're they're coming at each other. It's throats. I believe
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it would be Tony. I think. I think if it comes down to
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that that that scenario, I think Tony's gonna flip out. I just see
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that being her, the way they turn that and and have her go completely
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off the deep end. And that's why I said, you know, with
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Mina still being around, that's that's where I could see that going. I
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would love to see stat Lander get a shot because she deserves it just as
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much. But then you can't for you can't if they're not gonna let Mariah
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win it, you can't roll out Sheeta either. Oh but like I said,
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it does seem like they're telegraphing it to Mariah. That may be a
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swerve. This is true. Yeah, So now I mean, what are
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you what are your thoughts about this? I don't see Tony and Mariah ending
30:19
their friendship anytime soon. Hey, I think that they're there to stay.
30:26
So, but I can't call it with the women's side of the the Owen
30:33
Heart, I don't know what about what about the men's what do you?
30:37
What are you feeling with the men's I'm actually kind of feeling like Jeff Jarrett
30:44
might win it really okay, Yeah, I kind of do something about it.
30:52
Just tells me he's he's gonna dig deep and really call on his friendship
30:57
with Owen and and just you know, this is going to be his last
31:03
big hurrah and he's just going to surprise us all and be a mid event
31:11
at all in it Wembley. He's going to go through everybody and just do
31:17
it all one last time. Wow, yeah, I think so what part
31:22
of me you think does that's cool idea? The other party is like,
31:25
oh god no, I can't help but think that way that this is this
31:30
is Jeff Jareded's big moment in time, and he's just he's just going crazy
31:37
for it. So the good thing is is that Jeff Jared could have been
31:41
just this random guy put in the tournament to eat a loss, but now
31:47
he's not. And so that's good booking. Yeah yeahs, And then that's
31:55
not such good booking. That's the bad part. I mean literally, because
32:00
with what his big yet was, whoever beats him is going to be a
32:06
heel more so than he was before. Yeah, And I really love that
32:13
it's for the title. It makes it a lot like if it wasn't,
32:17
if it was just for the owen Hart Cup, than sure Jeff Jarrett could
32:22
win theoretically, but him having yeah, the main event match hit all In
32:29
versus Swerve or something, I don't think that's gonna sell tickets. Yeah,
32:37
they might get they might get everyone behind him. Jeff jan he was running
32:43
wild. Yeah, he would definitely over the next several weeks, he would
32:46
definitely have to work his ass off to get that buy for for all In
32:53
because currently, you know, and I mean no disrespected Jeff Jarrett at all,
32:59
because he's been doing this for a long time for a reason. But
33:02
I don't I can't see people saying to each other, I don't know if
33:08
I'm going to buy all In at the pay buy all In pay per view,
33:13
what and you're gonna miss the Jeff Jarrett versus First Tricklet match. Oh
33:17
yeah, I gotta buy it now. I just don't. Country Music versus
33:22
Rap Music the Ultimate Battle, Oh my god, it's just so much that
33:30
you'd have to see it. If he made it that far, you'd have
33:34
to see what he was going to do. No, because no, because
33:37
no, because no, No, that would just be too many Cringey matches
33:42
all in, too many Cringey matches. It all in, oh boy.
33:46
But anyway, you look, you're trying to sell out the crowd again.
33:52
You want to make all In the biggest thing going again, and that is
33:55
definitely not going to do it. Yeah, okay, I do think Park
34:02
there's a story there just because he's British and it could be huge him competing
34:07
for the world title, Brian Danielson, him gaving his last chance. But
34:14
I'm kind of seeing him maybe in a match with Nigel McGinnis. I have
34:17
my fingers crossed if Nigel still just has some wrestling ability in there. I
34:24
saw the same idea come up, but I also think that the other idea
34:29
I saw about that makes better sense. They were talking about having uh working
34:34
it up through for Nigel to go up against him at the World's end at
34:38
the end of the year as the retirement match. I just don't see Nigel
34:45
in the ring again. I don't know. I just can't see it.
34:49
I thought he couldn't wrestle anymore. Well, he has a hepatitis is a
34:53
b or see one of the less I don't know, abc D whatever,
35:00
Z. I don't know, but you know, it's just too much of
35:02
a risk. It's too much of a risk, especially when you're talking about
35:08
all in, when you've got to go into However, here's something that I
35:13
wanted to point out about Forbidden Door, which is relatable to what we were
35:16
just talking about. There was no blading at all and Forbidden Door. So
35:22
there may been the occasional busted lip or whatever, but there was no blading.
35:25
It was a blood free pay per view, So maybe they can pull
35:30
it off. But I just think that they would be wrestling with kid gloves,
35:35
you know, maybe they'll just have Danielson versus versus Nigel McGinnis and a
35:47
yeah, in the massive pull noodle pull doodle fight. Yeah, there you
35:55
go. I mean your boot bling. I just don't see a real bets.
36:02
But however, what I could see happening uh tomorrow night. And this
36:08
is kind of a spicy prediction. If if Nigel is in the crowd,
36:15
in the in the crowd or at the announcing stable, what if Nigel pauses
36:22
Danielson the match? Yeah, I mean because during Forbidden Door. I don't
36:30
know if you caught this Nigel was saying during the Danielson match that nobody wants
36:34
to see Brian Daniels to get injured, and then he paused for a second
36:37
he said, I take that back. So so that made that little word
36:45
there, that little sentence there may allude to the fact that something would happened
36:49
between how somebody needs to stop Daniel Center saving from himself. Yeah. So
36:54
so it's it's it's very it's very interesting. How you know. Alex said
37:02
it earlier that this was probably the best forbidden door that they've had, and
37:06
it was. But they also did something this time I think different than in
37:10
past is they actually got some stuff coming out of it. They actually did
37:16
a lot of storytelling that will last after it through the pay per view that
37:22
they usually don't do with that. Yeah, like that, and then you
37:27
know that's just something that you don't usually see from a pay per view.
37:31
Yeah, yeah, I will say this, with the storytelling, I hated
37:38
the Mina Shiri Kaala Mariah May and Tony Storm ending that. But anyway,
37:49
let's move on. I want to talk about, well, there's someffective aw
38:00
signings out there. Ricochet. Do you probably pronounced is it d Jack or
38:07
die Jack I don't even know, okay, and there's Mason Mansour. Uh.
38:15
Some of them actually bed backstage at different shows. Die Jack was at
38:20
Forbidden Door backstage. Reportedly Ricochet is good friends with Will Osprey, who's been
38:25
really uh campaigning to have Ricochet brought in. Uh, Mason Mansor, I
38:31
believe we're backstage at least I think Mansour was. Uh. So what are
38:37
your thoughts. I mean, some people are saying that the aw roster is
38:42
a little bit too bloated. We're also hey, you can also add the
38:46
MotorCity machine Guns to that list, but keep in mind Mason Mansor, MotorCity
38:53
machine Guns. These are tag teams. We've just been talking last week about
39:00
the w TAC Team division. They need some new blood. I think that
39:05
would be good. So what are your thoughts about this? Okay, So,
39:08
somebody remind me about who d Jack is. I'm not sure who he
39:12
is. He's the guy that was on NXT, wasn't he Yeah, he
39:17
was on n XT. He he was in he was in the Ring of
39:22
Honor briefly before that for a few years. I he the big german guy.
39:29
I think he's like Polish or or something. But yeah, he's not.
39:32
He's not Walter or No, no, no, I know. I
39:37
know who he is in because because I was thinking they already had he.
39:39
He has some history with I can never remember his name. Don't talk about
39:47
him. He was actually with Prince back in Ring of Honor before he went
39:53
to ww E in n X team Okay, did not know that. Yeah,
39:59
and he had rivalry with the big guy that's the big giant black guy
40:04
that's there. Just yeah, yeah, they had a big rivalry. And
40:10
so do you know any of the wrestlers names. My brain's not working,
40:15
man, you know how that goes? We all, but that looks like
40:24
that guy that looked like Goldberg, but he was a lot smaller. It
40:30
wasn't. But uh, we're not talking about Gilbert, damn it. To
40:37
your point about the tag teams, though, I think that is something that
40:39
we do need. Nobody knows how long uh Dax and them are going to
40:46
be out. You know, those guys could be down for a while.
40:53
Cash is it, Cash's hurt? I can't remember one. We have no
41:00
idea how long he's going to be out. So adding the two other tag
41:02
teams would be good. Ric Ricorset is one of those guys that has been
41:09
around for a long time and is amazing in the ring. So he would
41:16
definitely be somebody that could go and would help improve the roster some I hain't
41:22
much room to improve it, but I think it would be a good thing
41:25
to have those guys. One of the things that I have heard about Ricochet,
41:30
I can honestly say that I don't believe I've ever seen him wrestle,
41:35
but I've seen a lot of comments of saying that Ricochet's style is more suited
41:39
to AW than it is the w w EEE. Is that true? And
41:44
yes, in your all's opinion, he is. He is along the lines
41:47
of Ray Phoenix Osprey. He does a lot of stuff if you wanted to
41:53
put him in that same level. He is very good above the ring and
42:00
his style is definitely more suited to AEW. Got it. Have you ever
42:07
seen Ricochet Russell alexon Nett. Yeah, I've seen him a little bit in
42:15
WWE, but I've seen him like on the indies. He's a guy that
42:17
like started off super skinny and could do like a double backflip and then he's
42:22
put on a lot of muscles, similar to Will Osprey. He's a horrible
42:27
promo. But yeah, I think he's he's I've heard that, Yeah,
42:31
he's one of the worst. Yes, I've heard that he's got the lone
42:36
falling over a tongue thing going on. Worse. Wait, wait, way
42:39
worse. What about you, Nett. No, I haven't seen him wrestle,
42:45
so I'm I'm excited to see it. I haven't watched any of his
42:51
tapes or anything in anticipation of if he does come to WWE, I want
42:57
it to be like all brand new experience. So I don't know, we'll
43:02
see, we'll see what happens. I know when it comes to like Mason
43:10
Mansour, I mean again, I have never seen them wrestle before. I
43:15
am familiar with them, but are they going to be mid card? Top
43:22
card? Lower card? And you know, look, if you bring more
43:24
wrestlers in, it seems reasonable that more wrestlers have to go out. Uh.
43:32
So that's the problem because you can't have a logjam of wrestlers with nothing
43:38
to do, just sitting in the back doing nothing. So you got to
43:45
think about that, you know. And Dye Jack, I've never seen him
43:49
wrestle, so so it's just one of those things, you know, I've
43:54
heard some good things about Ricochet. I've heard that he's terrible on the mic,
43:59
but that he's good at the ring and the high flying file. Uh,
44:04
Mason man sore. I'm not real sure about anybody knowing them at all.
44:10
I know that they're big. I know Mace was like a former football
44:15
player and he's into ANMA, but I don't think i've ever seen him wrestle,
44:19
So Okay, he's big. They might stand out in the aw But
44:24
what were they called justice? They were the maximum male models. Yeah,
44:30
they they've been going by eminem They said M and M is what they were
44:39
speculated they would come into AW as. Yeah, like I would probably enjoy
44:45
seeing them more than seeing the varsity athletes, specifically Tony Nice and Sean Davari
44:53
pick up time on TV or Aria Davari and Die Jack. He's a guy
45:00
that's he's been in there. He was in Ring of Honor and he never
45:04
really did anything special, and then he was in WWE and NXT for like
45:09
six or eight years and he never really did anything. I don't know why
45:14
or why AW would be better for him because he's not like a fantastic wrestler.
45:21
I don't think. I don't know, so yeah, I would skip
45:24
him. I would probably skip Mason Minster. And guys that have been in
45:29
AW recently that are also kind of maybe relevant are the Grizzled Young Vets.
45:35
I thought they were really good. They're one match, and I would prefer
45:37
they signed them over. I can't get behind somebody that has a stupid name,
45:47
and Grizzled Young Vets is just a stupid name. So they're already but
45:53
that just sounds stupid to be Grizzled Young Vets. What the hell does that
45:58
mean? It means that they're they're they're they're young, but they're veteran like
46:05
and they're grizzled. Oh so they're trying too hard to make themselves sound Uh
46:14
they're the ding damn it and clever. Yeah. I thought they had a
46:19
really good match on Collision, and they seem to be more of the A
46:23
W. Mold than like Mason Mansur. But I don't know, and I
46:30
call myself a babyish old part. There you do, that's fantastic, there
46:38
you what's up? Buff's seriously? I look at like, look here's the
46:47
way I look at it, and I so you've got what is it?
46:52
The Outrunners. They don't need it to ever wrestle. They're not doing anything.
46:58
They're just the low card idiots that run around and get squashed them.
47:04
They can't they can't win them. They're not going to ever win a match.
47:09
You know. The only time that they would win a match is that
47:12
they went to on one with their Pentaco maybe seriously, you know, so
47:20
yeah, but a stretch teams. You got to have those tag teams because
47:28
you can't have you can't have your top tag teams going against each other all
47:31
the time. Think about back in the day when you had the Killer Bees
47:37
and the British Bulldogs, and you had the Bushwhackers, and you had the
47:44
I don't I don't remember them at a w at all. I'm talking about
47:47
back in the day when you had the old school tag teams Outrunners. You
47:53
can't get rid of the Outrunners just because they suck. You got to have
47:57
them. Somebody that these top teams like the Bucks and you know, any
48:04
of the other teams that are top blind you can't have them going up against
48:07
each other all the time because then you get tired of seeing them. So
48:09
you gotta have the runners so they get the crap beat out of them.
48:13
So if you do the Outrunners, you gotta change their gimmick completely because the
48:16
gimmicks it's it's got its course. They're gonna end up with, don't castle,
48:25
and they're going to be a team, man telling you boys, Nope,
48:30
they're gonna be They're gonna be h a real I don't know what they're
48:36
gonna call them, but they're gonna end up being together. That's that's that's
48:39
the r o h's new triple tag team, you know, the sixth Man
48:45
or the trios team for the r o H. Now, mm hmm okay,
48:52
you can tell that. I'm just beyond excited for that. I know.
48:58
I mean, this is me excited. Did anyone anyone okay, Herbo
49:04
Floyd and what's the other one's name? Uh? No, one knows.
49:08
Nobody knows Battery Juice. I don't know one. That's a good name.
49:16
I mean when you what they've been around for like a year and you don't
49:21
even know their names. You know, Herbot Floyd. I remember because because
49:27
it's like the single dumbest name I've ever heard for wrestler. Like, I
49:32
don't know, But where did we get to this point? We were talking
49:45
about I don't know, we're talking about who were better than the outrunners.
49:52
I think that was where you were going, okay, or the or the
49:59
righteous. I'm open minded to the righteous. They've yet I really like Dutch.
50:07
He's a big looking fellow the righteous again, And it's the way I
50:13
look at it. The righteous part of the Righteous does not work because they're
50:19
boring. And you can tell by the absolute silence the crowd anytime they show
50:27
up on TV. You can hear cricket farts when when they come out,
50:35
so there's no noise at all. And it's doesn't help that their music is
50:39
god awful too, because it's so quiet that it really, you know,
50:45
enhances the absolute apathy they get from the crowd. So I mean, there's
50:50
nothing good about the Righteous at all, and I hate it. I hate
50:55
it for Lance Archer that he's stuck with them now. They may be great
51:00
guys and whatnot, Please, for the love of God, makes them interesting
51:07
or don't use them at all. Yeah, I think they need to change
51:09
their gimmick. It's kind of like a weird cross between House of Black and
51:14
the Wyatt Family. It's more like, you know, okay, everybody in
51:20
the crowd. We are now going to pass out cyanide laced cool aid drink,
51:27
and here we go, like, yes, it's working, you're saying
51:34
exactly. I mean it's not working because it's like because when I see them,
51:39
I want to drink cyanidolid. But then they got you where they want
51:45
you, like please, God, he's so far, he's been sucked so
51:54
far into the gimmick. He doesn't realize that they're doing their job. It's
52:00
yes, that's right. I'll tell you why. It's just that's the that's
52:07
the hay kids. Watch the Righteous. You'll you'll want to drink cyanide laid
52:15
and you get a Jim Jones Lookalke come out with him. Then they'd be
52:19
in good cheap Naddy, Bobby Daddy. What's cyanide? Can I have some
52:28
goodness? Oh? Cyanide son is what Nazis used to use, you know,
52:31
Oh Nazis they sound cool? Come on, oh man, see I'm
52:38
telling you the Righteous and they're like cults, mass suicides. Nazis. They
52:45
shouldn't be on TV, they shouldn't be in the a W unless they get
52:51
an entire you know, makeover. They just start a cold some all the
52:58
underused wrestlers and demand change. Yeah, I mean, come on, and
53:02
I can't take somebody. I can't take a group of people that are dressed
53:07
like mister Rourke from Fantasy Island as a wrestler. That's their that's their whole
53:13
thing. That's the colt man. Just like no, they just have a
53:19
vertically challenge. They just need to have a vertical challenge of valet. I
53:22
guess you need complete more research. Man. You got to get the research
53:27
going for the cults and see how this works, because that's what it is.
53:30
Anyway, this is way way off the rails. Told comes out dressed
53:36
like that, then you're really going to see Ye there yet add them to
53:42
the learning tree whole group after the after the show, I want your address
53:49
so I can come and give you some blade at last with cyanide, I
53:53
have my own maiden to closet. Don't worry. There you go. It
53:58
can take a few SIPs for me. Tell me how to take every day
54:00
a build up an immunity, save us. Yeah, so we had an
54:08
announcement what happens when you follow the righteous? That's right, all right,
54:16
we had an announcement. I'm changing the topic, Okay, Forbidden Door,
54:25
and I think we talked about it, Kelson brought it up. They're having
54:29
basically the Japanese version of Forbidden Door. Night two of Wrestle Kingdom is now
54:35
Wrestle Dynasty, and it's going to feature CMLL Stardom, A W and j
54:42
P W and and they had the Ring of Honor logo as well. Yeah,
54:46
yeah, I'm excited. Mm hmmm. Maybe a W wrestlers won't beat
54:55
everybody in significant matches in that one, Yeah, mm hmm. Anybody think
55:01
a certain someone might be healed up by then and make an appearance. Yes,
55:09
Oh, I didn't know the hell you were talking about. And yeah,
55:16
uh yes, I think it's gonna be a great thing. Uh.
55:21
I'm kind of looking forward to it. But yeah, it's gonna be interesting.
55:25
The only the only thing that that that that kind of for me is
55:30
that if you include R O H in add is that they don't have enough
55:31
separation. To me, R O H and a W needs to get more
55:36
separated because you see them too often. I mean, you see guys from
55:40
R OH and a W all the time, and this is dynasty. How
55:46
if you're if you're gonna, if you're gonna include Dynasty Hasty without r o
55:54
A. Well it's not hard, well, David to redo the entire graphic,
56:01
and that costs you know, tens of dollars, tens of dollars.
56:08
Yeah, Ione has to have everyone in Ring of Honor, but they could
56:12
have you know, Athena having Yeah, right, it's important. Think about
56:20
it this way, even if there's only one person from ringer Honor and there
56:22
at least it's on the graphic and people are like, oh Ring of Honor
56:27
exists. Seriously, it's a positive. When is something we should add to
56:32
that list that we didn't? Yeah, well yeah, I think yeah,
56:38
it gives because Ring of Honor, you know, the selling point is really
56:43
the female wrestlers on Ring of Honor. So that could set up a lot
56:47
of matches with stardom that could be good. Yeah. Well yeah, there's
56:53
gonna be a w wrestlers in stardom over a few months, and so it
56:59
makes perfect sense. So you're to probably see some storylines made in AW and
57:04
in Japan and Stardom for Russell Dynasty. So so you're not only gonna have
57:10
men male wrestlers going to start them for both AW not to start them,
57:15
but the NJPW from Awn Roh. But you're going to see women going to
57:22
start them from AW as well, So so it does open up a whole
57:28
can of worms. And hopefully, you know, as I said earlier,
57:32
it's not going to be one of those pay per views where AAW and Roh
57:37
is going to dominate. You know, I really would like to see some
57:40
title matches and I'd like to see some surprises. That was the only thing
57:46
that was missing to me from Forbidden Door is that there weren't any surprises as
57:53
far as the winners of the matches go. Yeah, that was something I
57:58
said to my son too. I said, so, you know, I
58:02
get the Wrestlings predictable, but damn well, you know you hear people talking,
58:07
you know, they want stories, they want less predictability. That's how
58:13
it's done, you know. And I seriously thought that AW dropped the ball
58:17
with the Mina Shehri Kalaba Mariam and Tony Storm match, and I'd like to
58:22
see them do something at Wressell Dynasty that breaks the mold. I just don't
58:30
want to see if you see the same thing happen all the time. I
58:35
mean, look how many matches were we're at Forbidden Door fourteen. I think
58:38
there was. Yeah, there was how many that didn't end like with a
58:45
really big surprise or not when you expected. I can't think of any of
58:52
them that didn't like we expected there. And you know what I'm saying.
58:58
It's like, did Paul Kyle Fletcher beating Serpenteico? Well they didn't have that
59:05
on the on the card, but if it was like the first Zero Hour
59:08
match, but yeah, they didn't. We did a poll on a w
59:13
FANA for each of the matches that have been announced. No, but we
59:17
missed a couple admittedly, like the Kyle Fletcher and Sir Pentaco match. We
59:23
asked the ask them to pick the members to pick the winners, and they
59:30
got them all right, they say it, they got them all right.
59:34
There was no surprises, you know, and that's big. It doesn't matter
59:38
if the storytelling is great, but if there's no surprises and everything is finished
59:47
after the matches, you know, I want to see. That's why I
59:52
thought it was nice with the Mina Sheri Kawa quote that I said earlier that
59:57
she's not done with the a W Women's World Championship just yet. He still
1:00:02
wants it. I thought that was important because it keeps the story going.
1:00:07
It stopped. You had a two months build up and that it's over and
1:00:10
everybody's hugging and grab an ass seriously, you know what I mean. Yeah,
1:00:16
I want to see I want to see something that I didn't see yet
1:00:21
ever, you know, And that's important. Yeah, and that's what I'm
1:00:25
hoping for, Russell Dream Dynasty. You had that quote from will Osprey talking
1:00:31
about or the story about why that will Osprey swears Strickland match got set up
1:00:38
and it was partially to kind of normalize a guy like will Ospray, like
1:00:44
the top stars actually losing matches to the world champion or the big names.
1:00:52
And yeah, I think that's something you don't really see a lot of in
1:00:54
AW. It's like protect all the top guys at all costs, and there's
1:00:59
like twenty top guys, So yeah, I think that would make it more
1:01:05
unpredictable if more of those guys lose matches exactly. And that's something that he
1:01:09
did say in that He did say that he thought he wanted to show that
1:01:14
even the top guys. Basically he does not exactly work for what he said,
1:01:17
but he did say in that same quote that he thought it was important
1:01:23
that top guys would lose, especially to the world champion. You know,
1:01:30
he's sending a message to the locker room, you know. So I think
1:01:35
it's important and that's you know, and I think it's extremely relevant to something
1:01:39
like Russell Dynasty because these aw people are going to Japan and they can't expect
1:01:49
And this goes for Tony Kahan too. You can't expect to send your wrestlers
1:01:52
in Japan to walk out of nine matches with nine winners, right right.
1:02:00
That's me. I personally don't want to see that. I want to see
1:02:05
people I've never seen before win. It's not like they're not good, you
1:02:10
know. I'm let me rephrase that. I want to see people that have
1:02:14
never before went number won before win if they're not Nito. Because that match
1:02:22
was awful. That was that was that was I mean, yeah, that
1:02:30
was. They had no chemistry whatsoever together at all. They had a match
1:02:36
at like a few months ago when when John Moxley won the title and it
1:02:40
was a lot better than this one. Well, I think it. I
1:02:43
think what I heard was that Nito didn't doesn't care to wrestle in America and
1:02:50
didn't want to have another title match in America. He wanted to have it
1:02:52
in Japan. So that was kind of why he was like the way it
1:02:58
was, that's that's hear that, But I believe Yeah, like you just
1:03:04
there's fans out there. Don't you just want to put on the best show.
1:03:07
You don't want to just look like you suck it wrestling. Oh he
1:03:10
was flying. Yeah, they just didn't have any chemistry. They just went
1:03:15
through the motions. Like a lot of these guys, the wrestlers that they're
1:03:22
featuring from Japan are older. They're they're well into their forties, Panahashi and
1:03:29
Nido, and you know, it's not fair to come down a ton of
1:03:37
Hashey the guy, he actually did pretty good for a guy who doesn't have
1:03:39
knees. Yeah, Like, you know, you watch him walk around,
1:03:45
it's like, oh god, oh my god. Yeah. I was like
1:03:49
I was like, I thought, Akdahashi walks like me on any given day.
1:03:54
You know. It's just like he's like bow legged. I'm not bowl
1:03:58
legged, but I walk like a bolt because my knees always hurt, you
1:04:01
know, And it's just weird. It's just weird. Seed am in the
1:04:05
ring. However, as a caveat to that match that Tanahashi was in,
1:04:13
he did win the World Air Guitar Championship based on his performance in that match,
1:04:17
So congratulations mm hm. And Okada won the World Air Djang Championship.
1:04:27
Oh yes, and I forget about that. Well, we're talking about walking
1:04:33
and knees. My daughter pointed out to me the way that Okada walks,
1:04:39
and now I can't unsee him walking with his knees kind of stuck together.
1:04:46
So he's a very demure Japanese. Uh, lady, I know what he's
1:04:54
doing there, but if you if you really watch him walk, it looks
1:05:00
it doesn't quite go with his stature. A bathroom, Yeah, yeah,
1:05:08
it doesn't quite fit him. So I don't know. Thank you for ruding
1:05:15
Oconda for everybody. Daughter, so everyone else now has to look and be
1:05:23
with you. Is she sitting there with you? Tell her on her?
1:05:30
I will tell her for Rudy Oconda for everybody. Gosh damn it, I
1:05:40
know. I was so sad I had to share it. I couldn't except
1:05:47
to be working, you know, Bratt. Oh, did anyone enjoy the
1:05:57
Cassidy Zach Saber Junior match? Really good on TV. But what did you
1:06:05
watch during the match? I can't remember, but it was better than I
1:06:10
just had, you know, be I don't say stuff that I don't mean
1:06:15
did not watch the match. I just didn't. I had no interest in
1:06:19
it. Yeah, it really turned out to be amazing, Like Orange Cassidy
1:06:25
just could perfectly do the Zach Saber Junior style and kind of match him.
1:06:31
Mm hmmm, yep, well, Jack Zach Saber Junior did say it the
1:06:38
media scrum. Anybody that thinks that Orange Cassidy is not a great professional wrestler
1:06:44
paraphrase great paraphrasing here is a effing idiot. Uh No, because I never
1:06:54
said that Orange Cassidy was not a great professional wrestler. I said that he
1:06:58
is phenomenal. My problem with Orange Cassidy is that there's two problems. He
1:07:03
is severely overused and all of his matches are the same. So I have
1:07:10
no interest in watching an overused guy that I've seen do the same match hundreds
1:07:16
of times, but now over the last couple of years. So I went
1:07:19
into that match with no expectations, not even low, and I didn't watch
1:07:26
it. I mean, I paid for the pay per view. I'm not
1:07:29
going to watch something I don't want to watch. I also did not watch
1:07:31
the next match, the Chris Jericho Learning Tree against whatever the hell they were
1:07:38
fighting, because I didn't see it because I have no interest in seeing that
1:07:42
guy. I think it's a stupid thing that I have no interest in.
1:07:46
So a lot of people feel that the same way, and a lot of
1:07:50
people like it. That doesn't have anything to do with me. But yeah,
1:07:57
and Orange Cassidy he the one guy, right, I guess him and
1:08:01
John Moxley are the guys that actually lost to New Japan wrestlers, and he
1:08:06
made Zach Saber Junior look really good. Yeah I heard that. But again,
1:08:13
ever, did anybody on in the world I think that Moxley was winning
1:08:19
that match? No, and maybe they saw the match, but it's like
1:08:30
nobody that I saw, even on the polls we did, thought Moxley was
1:08:34
winning that match. So yeah, I mean it was obvious that Moxley was
1:08:40
gonna lose. And yeah, the Zach Saber Junior and Orange Castidy match was
1:08:45
a non title match. It was an exhibition match through and through. There
1:08:48
was no heat nothing in that match. Who cares if Orange Castidy one?
1:08:54
Who cares if Zach Saber Junior one who cares it was just a match,
1:09:00
It's it's a good showcase for Zach Saber Jr. It shows that they have
1:09:04
big plans for him, probably in New Japan. Yeah, more Weddy signs
1:09:10
when it becomes the next New Japan wrest design. I think that that is
1:09:15
Tony's like move. He's like that brings me back to a question here.
1:09:20
You know Forbidden Door Wressell Dynasty. Are there enough n j p W men's
1:09:29
wrestlers to make it even worse? N JP I mean n j p W
1:09:34
needs help because what they put out of Forbidden Door is the best that they've
1:09:42
got. They're they're not very good. I don't know. I don't agree
1:09:46
with that they have better stuff. It's like they have better guys, but
1:09:50
they always want to feature and so they do have better guys. You're talking
1:09:57
to a guy who doesn't watch has never watched Do Japan, because when I
1:10:02
see it on, you know, like the dynamites and the collisions and stuff
1:10:05
like that. Forbidden Door. Now, these guys, I mean, Zach
1:10:10
Saber Junior is good. Jeff Cobb was was oppressive Jeff Cobb, and I
1:10:16
think it comes down to there. They bring the people that are known here
1:10:25
because it's it's here, it's the American, it's the it's the aw fans
1:10:30
that are gonna watch it, and they're bringing people who are better known instead
1:10:35
of bringing in the people who may not people may not know. Okay,
1:10:41
and I've got an I've got a counterpoint to that, Suton. Okay,
1:10:44
Stephanie Vacker is not known. Who were the people chanting for when Stephanie Backer
1:10:49
was going against Mercedes Bay in the rink? It's not it's there is no
1:10:56
difference because Stephanie Vacker put on a good wrestling and the other guys from m
1:11:02
JPW, for the most part did not. Okay, counterpoint, Stephanie Vecker
1:11:10
put on a hell of a show. She is not known here because she's
1:11:14
only been she only had one match leading up to this. Main part of
1:11:17
the reason, and they pointed it out during the match that they were booing
1:11:21
Mercedes was because you're in Long Island and she's from Boston. That's a major
1:11:30
reason they were booing her. Period. You take any sport in any between
1:11:36
New England and New York and that's gonna happen no matter who it is if
1:11:42
MJF was from Boston, he'd get booed like that. That's a big reason
1:11:46
why that happens. But here's the thing, the guys that they don't know
1:11:50
about. They brought in a couple extra guys. The one that was in
1:11:54
with Roderick Strong, I can't think of his name. Gabe, Yeah,
1:11:59
Gabe, he did. He's a really fun guy to watch. Zach Saiber
1:12:02
Junior. Most people know who he is from his rivalry with Danielson. Jeff
1:12:10
Kobb has been there before, Nito. You know all those guys, is
1:12:15
she? All those guys have been here all three times because they're the ones
1:12:19
that know from New Japan. And it's easier to bring those guys in like
1:12:26
that than to bring in all the new people and go, well, we
1:12:29
don't They didn't have like with Stephanie. She should have been at least two
1:12:32
matches. They should have had her in her singles match, and she should
1:12:36
have been with her tag team partner and done one of those kind of things
1:12:40
like they usually do with those But they didn't do that right and she she
1:12:45
I'm honestly, I think money was not good in that match. I didn't
1:12:48
I didn't think she did anything to make Stephanie look better. I think it's
1:12:53
opposite. Stephanie did everything to make Money look better. Because if you put
1:12:58
anybody else in that match with Stephanie, she looks as good as she did.
1:13:03
Honestly, I just I totally Mercedes Monee when I look, when I
1:13:12
look at what kind of wrestling I like, what makes a good wrestler.
1:13:17
I think it's not only what your offense is, it's what you do in
1:13:21
the ring to make your opponent look better. Mercedes Monee had a fantastic match
1:13:29
because she was in the exact right spot, doing the exact right thing to
1:13:33
make everything that Stephanie Vacker did look fluid and spontaneous, almost and perfect.
1:13:45
Stephanie Vacker could have not done what she did in that match with a lesser
1:13:50
wrestler. And I'm going to point out something. Look at the match as
1:13:55
she had with Lady Frost, who was a very competent wrestler. But that
1:14:00
match wasn't very good. I thought it was a good match, not compared
1:14:08
to Stephanie Monet. It wasn't like I said, I I am I have
1:14:12
I'm not impressed with Monette. I haven't been impressed with her, yet she
1:14:15
reminds me exactly what I expected from a WWE train, from a from a
1:14:19
wrestler in women's division from WW who came to AW. I would admit,
1:14:26
I will admit you've already said, no sense of repeating it. I would
1:14:30
admit that I was not impressed with Mercedes Monet until Sunday night, because if
1:14:39
he did everything right, he worked her butt off to make Stephanie Facker look
1:14:46
great, to put Stephanie Facker over no arguing that I'm sorry. Anybody that
1:14:53
doesn't think that, I'm sorry, but I think you're wrong. Yeah you
1:14:57
can. You could say that you're not impressed with Mercedes Bonet and have that,
1:15:02
and she's never gonna do anything obviously that's gonna make you a pressed with
1:15:06
her. So that is what it is. Yeah, I think Stephanie Vicker
1:15:12
looked like the greatest woman prestler of all time. She did in that match,
1:15:16
So yeah, you gotta give it to Mercedes. I thought Mercedes didn't
1:15:21
look as good as her, for sure, but it takes two to pull
1:15:26
that off. So yeah, I mean, like I said, maybe offensively,
1:15:30
Mercedes did not look as good as Becker, but that's not the only
1:15:34
thing. It's how you take bumps. It's how you set yourself up to
1:15:39
take bumps. It's how you work with your opponent to be fluid in the
1:15:42
ring. You know, it's the science of professional wrestling. You could put
1:15:46
two great wrestlers in the ring that have no chemistry whatsoever and don't work well
1:15:54
together, and even though they are great, they can have a shit match
1:15:59
Naito and Mack Well, like, yeah, Naito is is the I think
1:16:04
he's been in the twilight of his career. Possibly sure, but yeah,
1:16:11
just the comment on you know, the old wrestlers versus younger wrestlers that really
1:16:16
didn't get fully featured, like Gave Kid and the whole Bullet Club. War
1:16:21
Dogs are an exciting young faction in New Japan that didn't really get featured.
1:16:29
I think Yoda Suji, Pomu Takahashi are exciting young wrestlers that kind of got
1:16:38
some time but really didn't get featured. And yeah, they put a little
1:16:41
bit too much into Tanahashi and Isshi and in these guys, and hopefully when
1:16:48
they do this Japanese show, we get this, you know, Okata versus
1:16:56
one of these up and coming young guys whether it's Shoda and he's healthy,
1:17:00
or it's Yoda Suji or something like that. What about Bullet Club Gold versus
1:17:05
Bulla Club war Dogs. Yeah, like that has to be in their back
1:17:10
pocket because it's got to be. I think the guy that's the leader of
1:17:15
the war Dogs right now, and David Finley was like attacked and beat up
1:17:20
Jay Wayne on the way out. So yeah, like things like that,
1:17:24
which I was hoping they did here. Maybe they're just saving it for the
1:17:29
Japanese show, so very well could be. I'm just saying, is that
1:17:31
I think it's acumbent upon AW two to be prepared to lose to some Japanese
1:17:42
wrestlers instead of winning however a match as mini matches meaningful match as there are
1:17:47
on the show. And also it's coming upon DO Japan to put their best
1:17:53
out there. Yeah, And I don't know if that's an e W decision.
1:17:58
They're like, we want we want to play the hits and not have
1:18:03
people learn and showcase new guys they've never heard of. I don't know.
1:18:08
I would hope that they lean into showcasing people that are good over you've heard
1:18:15
of their name before, but you but you know my point is is that
1:18:20
I don't know if you agree with this, but I'd rather see good wrestlers
1:18:27
than Look what Chris Jericho fought. What just Chris Jericho had that match with
1:18:33
Atchet Andretti. Andretti wrestled a really good match, and that's what I want
1:18:42
to see. You can have an old guy in there, but I want
1:18:44
to see a good guy in there. I don't want to see two guys
1:18:47
then you know we're not going to have chemistry, you know, and a
1:18:51
guy that has no knees out there wrestling. I want to see somebody that's
1:18:57
capable. I don't care if I've never heard of them before. Yeah,
1:19:00
you can make someone at Forbidden Door three, and then that person can come
1:19:03
back for Forbidden Door four or the wrestled Dynasty Show, and then that matches
1:19:10
way more exciting and interesting. My point is is that, again, I
1:19:15
go back to Stephanie Vacker. Yeah, yeah, you not many people knew
1:19:19
who she was, you know, But now there's a post on aw fan
1:19:25
hubb that right now that says, hey, should it should Tony Khan sign
1:19:30
Stephanie Vacker? Hell yeah, she's fantastic. That's what you want. If
1:19:36
I nobody saying, hey, does anybody wanted do you think Tony kan should
1:19:41
sign nothing against she? But he's not one of those guys that is going
1:19:50
to spark, you know, uh, a riot for people to to sign
1:19:59
him. You know, it's he's an older guy. Sure people may know
1:20:02
his name, but that doesn't mean anything if you can't wrestle off to his
1:20:09
what his name established, you know, and that's stuff to get against him.
1:20:13
But look what he was in the ring with. Yeah, unless New
1:20:16
Japan's afraid of someone doing well and then Tony Khan paying them ten dollars that
1:20:27
I think when they go to Japan, you're going to see a lot of
1:20:30
the younger guys because they it comes down to also, you gotta fake travel
1:20:35
issues too, because you know that that's something else you have to take him
1:20:41
to effect coming to America. Just like when we go over there. There
1:20:44
might be some that won't be able to go, but they'll have their main
1:20:47
people. I think I think it'll be the opposite when you go to Japan.
1:20:50
I think that a lot of the guys from the Japan are gonna win.
1:20:56
I hope. So I I really want to see this become an exhibition
1:21:00
I want to see it become a rivalry. That's my point. It's too
1:21:06
predictable right now and forbidden door. I mean, if you can get every
1:21:13
match right, you get every match right. There's just a way, no
1:21:15
way around it. It's predictable. I want to see rivalries. I want
1:21:18
to see this. Hey, we're gonna do this once a year or twice
1:21:23
a year. Russell Dynasty becomes a thing, an annual thing too. I
1:21:27
want to see meaningful I want to see a rivalry. I want to see
1:21:32
clean, old fashioned hate even you know, let's make it special. That's
1:21:38
all. That's all I'm saying. Well, this was ignition, this is
1:21:46
a this is our This is a pretty interesting podcast, I thought, And
1:21:56
man, I mean, it's gonna be interesting. You know, join us
1:22:00
night for all we talked, because we're going to be talking about the Beach
1:22:05
Break edition of our episode of A W Dynamite. And I gotta tell you,
1:22:12
I don't know how you guys feel about it, and I'm sure we'll
1:22:15
talk about it tomorrow night. But if this comes through, if this,
1:22:19
if this lives up the expectations, this is what hell of a good card
1:22:24
so far, and I'm sure they're going to add probably a couple more matches.
1:22:28
I wouldn't be surprised, but I'm excited for Beach Break, I really
1:22:31
am. And I've not been this excited for for a Dynasts, for a
1:22:35
Dynamite in a long time, right, Alex Oh, yeah, because this
1:22:41
is this is the night they need to really sell all in right, yea
1:22:48
begun? Yeah, it's it's a Chicago And it's one thing. I'm looking
1:22:56
at the card. You gotta have Jack Perry come out. I mean you
1:23:00
gotta look at that. You gotta have him come out. You know,
1:23:04
you know, the ill will be there. They've got a glue they want,
1:23:11
so he's got to be there. The one thing that we didn't add
1:23:14
that I'm surprised nobody even mentioned, is is Tony making a He said he
1:23:18
has something special for tomorrow night. Any ideas what that could be? Uh
1:23:27
No, he did say that. He didn't say. He didn't say I've
1:23:31
got a special announcement. He just said he had something special in the works
1:23:34
for tomorrow night. So I'm kind of thinking that maybe I'm hoping it's that
1:23:41
it's the announcement of the TV deal. I don't think it's would be the
1:23:45
TV. Maybe it's the announcement of the women's tag titles. I don't know.
1:23:49
But you know what's interesting though, I'm glad you brought that upside because
1:23:53
again, this goes back to the point I just made. I'm excited for
1:23:58
I'm excited for Dynamite tomorrow night based on the card that we've got, and
1:24:01
I forgot completely about Tony Kahn saying so now I'm now I'm like absolutely,
1:24:09
you know, I'm sitting here, I'm sweating. My palms are sweating.
1:24:18
Oh lord, my eyeballs are sweating. I excited. I just can't.
1:24:25
Tony's gonna announce that Kelson's first match will be it all in against Andy Kingston.
1:24:30
There you go, I would I would love to beat the ship out
1:24:34
of Eddie Kingston a handicapped match. Ladies and casts, well, look,
1:24:42
look, I'm sorry, but Eddie match that Eddie Kingston is is it as
1:24:46
a handicap match? Oh as much as you hate him, I love him.
1:24:57
Hell, I can't say I I don't hate Eddie Kingston. Yes I
1:25:03
do, but anyway, I don't want I I feel horrible that he's injured.
1:25:11
I really do beat at all seriousness, I don't want to see anybody
1:25:15
get injured. And you know, I look forward to seeing Eddie come back
1:25:18
so I can properly hate him, you know, because hey it's tough.
1:25:26
I mean, look at Dynamite tomorrow night. There's no piss break matches on
1:25:30
this right now. If Eddie Kingston was on there, I have a piss
1:25:32
break is going to be devastated tomorrow night. I may be late to do
1:25:41
nothing. I'll leave talk podcast to moor Night because I may have to.
1:25:45
You know, you got a couple of times doing juice Robinson, you know
1:25:50
things. Yeah, I'm only about I'm only about three or four years away
1:25:59
from from beating it diper So I thought, you know, it's not that
1:26:04
I'm old so much as that I'm lazy and I just don't want to get
1:26:11
up. So you know, are you going to get up and for the
1:26:16
piss break to our night? Well that depends, That's what I want to
1:26:18
say. Depends. Supposed to be pretty good. Oh God, here we
1:26:27
go again. Why you guys get me riled up? I was saying good
1:26:33
night, you maybe spew about my incontinence problems. Well not the third problem.
1:26:41
Man, it's too easy. Tell you what I swear to god,
1:26:45
I got sweaty ponds and sweaty eyes. I hate Eddie Kingston, and I
1:26:50
have to say that he wanted it to get well. You know, let's
1:26:55
face it, I I already kicked the ship out of discoing for an a
1:26:58
once. I don't need to beat Eddie. I have nothing to prove,
1:27:01
and I don't want to kill the guy. Because I shoot fight the machinery
1:27:09
in the corner, you'd be done. Yeah. Well, this machine gun
1:27:13
chops, he hurts his thighs more than he hurts anybody else with him.
1:27:15
What are you talking about? And if he came after me with one of
1:27:19
those real chops, guess what. I freaking duck. It's like, my
1:27:27
god, don't just stand there with your teeth and your mouth. Move.
1:27:31
Oh man, It's like that hip attack from Tony's Storm that annoys me to
1:27:36
death. When you see a wrestler just scooch across the entire half to the
1:27:41
half of the ring to get in the corner to set themselves up, and
1:27:45
then you got that butt coming at you one hundred miles an hour. Move
1:27:49
Come on, you know you're ruining for all the kids. You're killing the
1:27:55
k faith right now, Yeah, I think the corner looks comfy, so
1:28:00
saying that, it's more when they hold themselves up in the rope so somebody
1:28:02
can jump and stomp down on them, like, well, don't get me
1:28:09
started about when somebody is standing on the top rope and about to jump down
1:28:14
on people that are standing on the floor, and it doesn't even matter if
1:28:17
it's your opponent or even your opponent with one of your teammates, and they
1:28:23
all reach up like your God or something phraising you as you come pressing it,
1:28:28
you know, and for twenty seconds they got their hands up like that.
1:28:31
Nice. Well what a move? What do you mean what a move?
1:28:34
It's a nice catch. What are you talking about? So anyway,
1:28:38
yeap, Kelson ruins cafe for everybody right there. That's not like Kelson ruled.
1:28:53
Kelson ruins KFA. Oh god, yes, well you all did it.
1:29:00
You tried. I didn't fight with me. Okay, I'm gonna shut
1:29:03
up now for ignition. This is Kelson Alex. Good night everybody, NY
1:29:13
guys, good night Kingston