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MLB talk with Matt Snyder, Scott Dochterman talks College Football & Trent's Picks presented by Circa Sports · The Lunch Rush with Trent Condon

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Hour number two, Miller and Condon welcome back Iowa Sports
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about 10 minutes or so before 2:00.
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Let's talk some baseball, shall we?
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Matt Snyder joins us in this time slot Mondays or Tuesdays
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throughout the year throughout the baseball season.
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He's back with us today. Matt Trenton, Ken, good to speak
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with you as always. I I guess we have to start with
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the Cubs. I obviously they moved the
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needle here in our market. I know you're a Cubs fan.
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Trent and I both I'm I'm a fan. I'll be honest, I like watching
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them like the broadcast when boogs in it.
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I'm part of it. But anyways, they the the losing
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streak they can't hit the pitching staff is just totally
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decimated by injuries. Something has to give here.
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I'm not saying that Craig counsel is going to walk the
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plank, but you know, before long, do you know you got to
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turn to the manager's office at some point 'cause you're not
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going to fire the fire the players.
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By the way, Matt's appearance brought to us by unjust dot bet.
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Where are you on the Cubs as council's seat?
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Starting to get hot? And so I don't know how you
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could watch the entire team playing right now and think it's
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Council's fault. But not only that, you're four
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games over 500. They're only a half game out of
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playoff position. The sequencing is the.
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I mean, I'm trying not to be hyperbolic here.
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Or leave that to me. You know, clouded by clouded by
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recency bias, but this is the most ridiculous sequencing I've
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ever seen. Like to have 210 game-winning
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streaks and then a nine game losing streak and we're not even
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out of May yet. It's unbelievable.
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But team started 27 and 12. They bank a lot of wins.
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That means that they were able to give some of them back and
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still not be drastically harmed in terms of the pursuit for
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playoffs. But I mean, it is what, 3 1/2
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games out of first right now, even with how good the Brewers
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have been playing. So it feels awful.
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It feels like everything is terrible.
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But you know, as a fan, you, you always, you know what, you, you
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pine for drastic measures. We need to do this.
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We need to do this. But like, analytically speaking,
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logically speaking, what do you do?
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Probably just keep doing the same thing that you've been
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doing. And things are going to turn
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around. And they're not near as good as
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they were when they won 20 out of 23, but they're not near as
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bad as they've looked ever since then.
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So somewhere in the middle is probably where they'll settle.
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Don't think there's going to be a firing of Craig Council.
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I don't think you're going to even see a hitting coach move
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on. But first.
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Base coach is in trouble. The the question that I had
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though, and when Ken and I kind of batted this around back
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earlier in the show was Jed Hoyer and the front office.
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And when you look at the hitting free agents that they borrowed
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in Bregman's good right now, is it going to be sustainable?
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We will see. But overall, has that been, I
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guess, maybe the biggest culprit why this offense overall over
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this last half decade or so hasn't taken a huge step
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forward. It's just those veterans haven't
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hit at the rate a lot of people expected.
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Dansby Swanson, obviously. What are those prime examples?
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Well, I I kept saying it was before they they acquired Kyle
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Tucker that they had basically an entire cast of supporting
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cast types using the movie analogy, and they didn't have
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any main characters. When they went on, they got Kyle
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Tucker. He's a main character.
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I, I don't think anymore Alex Bregman is, he was at one point,
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but I don't think he is anymore. So that means we're back to they
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just have an entire cast of supporting cast types.
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And you could say that about the pitching staff as well.
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Maybe Kate Horton was going to be more than that, but he went
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down and he's out for the year. So you you're a mega market team
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and your entire identity right now is built around a bunch of
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pretty good players, but no superstars.
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That's no way to go about things, I don't think.
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I mean, if you go back to when the Cubs won the World Series,
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Kris Bryant won MVP, Anthony Rizzo was a superstar.
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No doubt Javier Baez at times could play like a superstar.
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And then you go to the rotation and you've got, you know, Kyle
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Hendricks led the league in the RA, Jon Lester was a young
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candidate. It's up and down the list.
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This team doesn't have guys who can win games by themselves.
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It's it's a group. And when the group is slumping
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like this, you're going to pile up the losses.
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So The funny thing is when Ken mentioned is Craig Counsel's
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seat getting hot, my thought went to if I were going to make
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any drastic changes like that and I were Tom Ricketts, the
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person I would fire would be Jet Hoyer.
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There's TC. Yeah, he spotted, spotted who is
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the superstar? Like, you're right.
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I mean, it's it's not going to be Bregman anymore.
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Just so it's past Swanson by Hap.
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Nice player. Gold Gloves.
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He's got a bunch of them. He's probably going to get
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another one in his career. PCA would be the guy, I would
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think, but I'm not so sure he can get there.
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Obviously. I mean, watching him throw the
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ball in the outfield, gunning that guy down to third base the
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other day was just remarkable. What he does, running and and
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catching balls is incredible. Made a couple errors lately
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though, but it's the batting I think it's probably going to
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preclude that. Has he got a chance to hit that
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mega star status at some point? The first half last year, if he
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hit like that all the time, he would be a top five MVP
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candidate perennially. But I think it's entirely
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possible that we saw the best half he's ever going to have in
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his career. Because remember heading into
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the year on this very show, we were talking about, hey, what's
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his upside? And I said up 1520 homers, maybe
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hit for low average, steal a lot of bases.
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And then he hit over 30. But I I did it was, it was so
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first half heavy. I think he was just out of his
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mind for 1/2. And we're not going to do that
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anymore. If there's anybody offensively
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who can be that guy, it might have to be, say, a Suzuki.
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But he's like everybody else, has been broken for two weeks.
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And how old is he? He's maybe Michael.
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Bush. Maybe Michael Bush too, but
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yeah. So we know the Brewers are the
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Brewers and they're just trot out guys that strike out
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everybody. And Mizoroski was tremendous
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again yesterday, 12 strikeouts. He looks like the guy that we
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saw right when he was brought in a year ago and the depth that
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they have. What about the Cardinals?
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We talked now it feels, it feels like for a month.
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Is this thing sustainable? Well, we've passed the first
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check mark of the year. Are the Cardinals going to be
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hanging around in your mind throughout the course of the
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season? They might be starting to hit
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that regression a little bit. They've lost five of seven and
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four of five. They were pretty well dominated
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by the Brewers yesterday. They've got two more against the
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Brewers. Then it's Cubs.
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We we might well have started to see that regression.
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But no, I just, I still don't really like that pitching staff.
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I think offensively they've had a lot of good signs this season
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and a lot of things that, you know, between Weatherholt and
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Jordan Walker, especially early in the year, Herrera, they've
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got some bats in there. And then they've got some guys
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like Mason Wynn who can play great defense.
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But I don't know if there's legs to this thing to last all year
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in the playoff race. I do think that if they do end
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up in last place in the Central, and by no means is that a
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foregone conclusion because the Cubs look awful right now.
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The Pirates and Reds have just kind of settled into mediocrity.
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But if they do end up in last place, they might be the best
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last place. Yeah, right now the the last
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place teams that are here's the underachievers.
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The Mets are in last place, the Tigers are in last place, the
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Red Sox are in last place. So let's go to the Tigers.
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If Scooble is that that surgery is is the miracle that we're led
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to believe that it is and he's going to be back.
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But if it. But if he is, and he does get
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back on the on the bump before the All Star break, and that
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looked unlikely when it first happened, Scooble is probably
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not going to end up as a Detroit Tiger by the time the trade
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deadline comes and goes. A.
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Do you believe that he would be shopped aggressively and who
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would be some of the pursuers? Absolutely, without question.
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If things stay the way they are right now, 10 games out of first
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place, they're in last place. They've lost something
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ridiculous like 16 out of 19 games.
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Just horrific. Where's the third wild card in
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the AL? OK, I think it's white size, 6
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1/2 games out of wild card. They probably need to fold
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around double digits. And then I absolutely think that
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yes, there's they're not going to keep them in free agency.
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So they will let the bidding get going there.
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Unfortunately, I could see the Dodgers blowing everybody way
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just to make sure that nobody else can get them.
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The Braves. I wonder if the Braves don't
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have what's known as a very good farm system.
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But if you look at the Braves right now, and I know they've
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gotten great work from Bryce Elder and Martine Perez to this
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point, but if you look at their roster right now and you think
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this is a team that wants to win the World Series for a playoff
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rotation, Chris Sale and Spencer Strider could be a pair of aces.
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How about 1/3 ace? How about 1/3 ace in school that
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I feel like that would be a really good fit.
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That that would be a great landing spot for him.
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Is there another? Do you think there would be a
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National League team? I mean, if an American League
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team blows them away, they'd have to deal them.
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Who, who would that be? And don't say the Yankees.
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No, they're going to be good pitching wise.
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I mean, Rodon's back, cold back, Schlittler looks great.
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You know, I could see the Blue Jays as long as they hang around
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there, I could see the Jays going for it.
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You know, and and you've already once everybody's healthy there,
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but there's going to continue to be questions about Bieber.
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But man, Gossman, you Savage, if you get seized back and Bieber
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back, but I don't I I think that there's a good fit there.
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And then you, you look at the playoffs and again, like we said
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with the Braves, you have scuba at the top.
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And then Goss Gossman sees, yes, yes, Savage.
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Wow, my bad. That's a really, really stout
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top four. Of course they need to start
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playing better overall, but this is about the time it happened
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last year when things started to turn around.
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Hey, I just saw something yesterday.
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I think it was watching ESPN on the Bottom line.
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Wanda Franco, who look like a star in the making the extortion
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case against him. We might be talking still two,
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3-4 years down the line, but is there any pathway for him to get
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back to to baseball in the state?
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Serving jail time, Trent. My, my hunch is no.
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OK. I think that this is, I mean, we
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were seeing an essential blackballing Trevor Bauer, and
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this feels like the optics are even worse than that.
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So my hunch is that he's done and he threw his life away.
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So yeah. Yeah, he had such a chance.
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He's only 25. It's.
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Unbelievable. A was going to break the bank
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and B was going to be, I mean the All Star year after this
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guy. This guy had the well he did.
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He got that huge deal from the Breeze, but then it got voided
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because of this. So yeah, I don't have any
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reporting on that. And and you know, time can heal
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wounds at times. And he's only 25 S even like 8
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years down the road. But my my hunch is that he's
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done. Yeah, I'm with you.
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The Padres seem to have turned a corner now.
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They lost four of six last week. Not saying that they're going to
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beat the Dodgers, but if there is a team that's going to push
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the Dodgers out West, doesn't it feel like it has to be the
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Padres? Yes.
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And I continue to say it's unbelievable how bad Machado,
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Merrill and Tatis have been and they're still winning games.
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I mean, you're talking about Fernando Tatis.
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Junior was zero home runs right now, 0, plugging 297.
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Jackson Merrill's hitting 198. Manny Machado's hitting 170.
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How are they winning any games? That's their court.
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Do you think the Tati's court case when he took the company
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that do you remember, you know the story, He was a 17 year old
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prospect at the time. He gave up X amount of his
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salary to this firm who was willing to front him millions of
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dollars, right? Yeah, right in.
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Case you get injured it. Was like an insurance.
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Policy. Exactly.
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And he took that company to court saying that, you know, he
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was young, he was naive, he didn't go know what he was
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getting into. Now we just lost that case
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heading into last weekend. Do you think that maybe he was
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on his? Because he's way better than
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this, right? Yeah, he is.
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I have no idea how if that would affect or not.
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Sometimes these things can snowball mentally anyway, if you
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start thinking about why am I not hitting any home runs, and
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that's a good recipe to not hit any home runs moving forward.
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It might be another one. It might be a thing where it
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just needs to snowball. Hey, if he gets one, then maybe
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he gets really, really hot. But I mean, it didn't work with
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Vladimir Guerrero junior. He hit in the order and then he
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hit one. It's like, OK, now the
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floodgates you're open. No, he hasn't hit one.
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Then The funny thing on Tatis is his exit velocities are right in
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line with past years, but he's not hitting anything in the air.
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He's hitting like all hard ground balls in line drives.
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Got it done. So again, that might be that
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might be a mental, a mental block.
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Dodger's question for you. I saw their scoreless inning
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streak of the bullpen came to a close and it felt like the last
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few years when we're trying to poke holes in the Dodgers, a lot
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of times it'd be that bullpen. You know, it's just so different
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in October. This bullpen looks like it's
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going to get even better. Jack Dreyer, Iowa guy, he's
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going to be coming back for him here pretty soon.
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He's been outstanding when he's been out there.
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When we get to October baseball, it's different than the regular
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season. How big is the gap between the
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Dodgers and everybody else in October?
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Yeah, Edwin Diaz will be back too.
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He had that loose bodies. Forgotten about?
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Him yeah. So they're definitely the best
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team when they're fully healthy and fully functional.
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I mean, we saw what the rotation could do last year and now it
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looks like the bullpen is going to be fixed offensively, they
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still have so much upside. You can get stuff like Andy
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Pahe's with a major breakout season leading the majors in RB
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is with eleven home runs right now and everything.
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But I I don't think it's significant enough that we're
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going to see like them run the table very easily without being
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challenged or anything like that.
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They took two or three in Milwaukee.
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But hey, the Brewers got a game and we saw the Blue Jays.
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Sorry, Ken, but you you know it. The Blue Jays probably should
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have won that World Series last year.
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So I could see it being similar. I could see them three peating,
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but I could see that somebody taking them the distance and end
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up getting that final out instead of giving up a game
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tying home run of the ninth this time.
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So they they are the best suited team to win it all.
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But things don't always go that way.
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I mean we saw them with 111 wins in the regular season a couple
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of years ago and they got beat in the NLDS.
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So they'll be the best team, but by no means do I take it to
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border conclusion that they're going to win.
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Yeah, I'm with you. I think Atlanta's going to push
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them, especially if they get scuba.
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I love, I love that that rumor, not rumor, that thought.
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If that happens, obviously the Brewers, I know they swept them
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last year. If the.
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Brewers are hot at the right. Time Brewers can give him a run.
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That would be who's the team on the outside of the playoffs?
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Maybe, maybe not like 1/2 a game out, but is there a team that
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you look to wake up? Do you think that don't sell
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this team short. This team's about to go on a
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run. Is there a team that's on the
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outside looking in right now? Yeah, there's a few.
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Both of the ALCS teams from last year.
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I still have the Mariners in the West.
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They're 26 and 29, but they're only a game and a half out of
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first. That division so bad.
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I can't believe that Cal Raleigh is going to continue to be this
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bad and when he starts to look like not last year self, we're
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never going to see that guy again.
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But when he starts to look like the 2024 version of Cal Raleigh,
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that's going to give the offensive boost.
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Josh Naylor still is better than he's been hitting with Julio and
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Ross arena. That's a really good lineup.
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They've got a good rotation. The Mariners are going to be the
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ALS champs again and the Jays like like I've been saying
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they're better than this. It's still a long season and
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they have the added bonus of being able to stay.
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This is exactly where we were last year in the clubhouse and
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mentally that can do wonders for you.
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It's easy to to say, to say, yeah, we've still got plenty of
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time we can turn it around, but sometimes that's just lip
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service. Well, the Jays know it.
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They were about at this point last year at this time and they
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ended up in game seven of the World World Series.
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And I think they got the second richest owner in baseball, the
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richest owner. Not that he's working on Steve.
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Going for the match, yeah. And by the way, since we're on
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that conversation on teams that can turn around, I am pretty
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ready to bury the mess. And I think this is just every
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time it looks like, oh, hey, they started to play well,
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they've got an easy stretch in front of them now.
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They go out and they start backing losses again.
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So I'm pretty much done with saying that there's any hope. 2
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dark horses in the American League that you didn't mention,
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the Rangers and the Orioles coming into the year.
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Now two years ago I bought into the O's and I was dead wrong.
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They were terrible last year. Rangers, Ken has bought me into
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these this team the last two years.
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They can't hit. Any hope for either Baltimore or
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Texas to turn it around and what is a wide open race in the
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American League to just make the playoffs?
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Heck, you went 81 games, that might be good enough.
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Any hope for the Rangers or the Orioles?
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Yeah. So on the Orioles, if you went
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back to the second-half of 2024, they were pretty bad.
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Last year, they were pretty bad at some point.
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That's just who you are. Even with the new players there,
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I think this is just they're not very good and it's as simple as
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that. So no, I'm out on the Orioles.
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And they're in the wrong division.
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Yeah, yeah, that doesn't help. I mean, especially because I
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expect the Blue Jays to be better.
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The Yankees are obviously not going anywhere, and even if the
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Rays are worse than their than the record does right now,
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they're still not going to be bad.
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So the Orioles are ticketed for 4th or 5th there.
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Rangers. Man, it's what an embarrassing
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stretch right now to go into Anheim and get swept by the
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Angels and then get a combined no hitter right from the Astros
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last night. I, I don't believe in this
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Rangers team. I liked the pitching staff at
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the start of the year and maybe they can still pitch, but as you
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said, they can't hit. I mean, even when Corey Seeger
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comes back, if he becomes the Corey Seeger from 2023, there's
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only so much that can do for them.
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They just do not have a good offensive ball ball club at all.
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Matt Snyder, CBSSports.com talks baseball with Trent tonight to
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kick off every single week in this segment.
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Back at you on Monday next week if your schedule allows.
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Matt Snyder, love the conversation.
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Thanks for what you do for us. Appreciate it.
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Have a good rest of your week, Matt.
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Thank you man. All right.
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And if you've been noticing here over the last few weeks, we have
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been heating up with those prop bets.
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You and Lucas? Lucas uses it too, right?
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Yes he does in his picks every single day at the end of their
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program. Also is there.
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So over the last week prop bets we are 1410 and 2.
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Stop betting games. Stop betting games.
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Do you enjoy betting props though?
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I'm more, I do more so than betting a game.
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Not as much, but it's been much more profitable.
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If you take you for making money, I mean, yeah, right.
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It moves way up. Over the last month since Unjust
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dot Bet has joined us up 6.24 units on prop bets.
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And it's just finding different things.
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So there's a bunch of different ways you can do it.
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If you're just a baseball person and you like like I do, I like
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betting strikeout totals. Well, what it spits out, you go
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over to the prop center, you click on K's and then it will
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tell you right now who are the quote UN quote best bets
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analytically for the day. You have an edge today and this
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will be one that'll be playing later on today.
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Cam Schlitter over 5 1/2 strikeouts.
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And where are the Yankees? They're taking on Casey down in
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Kansas City at Kauffman. Over 5 1/2.
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Your edge considered what the sports book is spitting out
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compared to what the actual numbers say.
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You have a 14.6% edge. They're not all going to hit.
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That's not the way that it works.
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But when you work through this Spencer Strider 6 1/2
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strikeouts, a 14.9% edge, it tells you each and every one of
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the Big 10 meetings as they happened last week.
21:35
Hello Scott, Trent and Ken, trust you had a nice Memorial
21:39
Day weekend. Appreciate you coming on as we
21:41
always do. Looking forward to this segment.
21:44
Doc wanted to recap what you heard, what you, you know, you
21:47
thought you heard. Perhaps what was maybe the
21:50
biggest take away and I will get into more than one, but if you
21:53
could put the one, the one that maybe moved your needle more
21:56
than the others, what would that have been?
21:58
Scott. It's the 2014 playoffs.
22:02
I mean, that's that was really generated the most discussion
22:05
among certainly the football coaches and the administrators
22:08
and what it means. But then there's also all kinds
22:11
of governance issues that make for boring talk radio, but are
22:14
really important to the sport as a whole.
22:16
But but I would say largely the 2014 playoff is what most people
22:20
fixed on and and did so when Tony Petiti was talking for
22:25
almost an hour. Something that we hadn't seen a
22:28
lot from Tony Petiti, and I want to get to that momentarily, but
22:32
with the 2014 topic we've talked here locally in the state of
22:36
Iowa, this would be a huge win for the University of Iowa in
22:39
the football program. They would have, over the last
22:41
decade, made the College Football Playoffs 6 times if we
22:44
had that structure. So that's good.
22:46
It's a win for the middle tier of a lot of these major
22:49
conferences. And now you have the backing of
22:51
the ACC and the Big 12. How important is that?
22:54
Because for a while it was the Big 10 on that island.
22:57
And how was Tony Batiti able to get the ACC and the Big 12 on
23:01
board with the idea of this 2014 playoff?
23:05
I can only speculate with the other two leagues because they
23:07
don't really have a voice other than, you know, they could say
23:10
yay or nay, but they're not going to be the the fighting
23:14
people in making that, which is unfortunate, but it's the way it
23:17
goes. It's going to be the big 10 and
23:18
SEC. But but how he got his own
23:22
conference and all of the school unanimous is that it benefits
23:32
more teams and and I mean more programs to have an ability to
23:37
get to the playoff. That's more of a destination.
23:40
Now. The bowl system is kind of
23:43
archaic, if you will. The where 1520 years ago, you
23:48
know, every game in in November was like, all right, and one
23:51
more win and you get to this bowl and you get to this bowl.
23:54
Nobody cares. Now it's just, I mean, you know,
23:56
if you go to a bowl game, fine, but it's not the playoff.
23:59
And, and so I, I calculated it that I think it, there would be
24:04
61 different teams if there was over the 12 years of the CFP, if
24:09
it was 16 team playoff, there would be 61.
24:13
If there was a 2014 playoff, there'd be 80 different teams
24:16
that have that would have qualified.
24:18
So you look at and in the Big 10, that would have been 14 out
24:21
of the 18 schools. The ones that would not have
24:25
would have been Maryland, Rutgers, Nebraska and then and
24:27
Purdue, which would have been on the border of the year.
24:30
It won the Big 10 W title in 2022.
24:33
So everybody would benefit out of that.
24:36
And I think what the Big 12 and aces that, and they should
24:40
especially the Big 12 is that when you go back through and see
24:45
even what it would be like if there was a 16 team playoff,
24:49
probably the cap are are two teams from the Big 12 currently
24:53
getting in? Because even if you got a 10 and
24:55
two Kansas State versus an 8 and 4 Auburn or 8 and 4 Michigan,
25:02
there's going to be a lot of discussion over strength of
25:04
schedule. Hey, we played a much tougher
25:06
schedule, blah, blah, blah. But if you get to 2014, that
25:10
number goes from maybe 2:00 to 6:00 or 7:00.
25:13
And you know a team like Iowa State last year at 8:00 and
25:16
4:00, if a few things happened differently, maybe in the
25:20
middle, you can make a really strong case that Iowa State
25:22
belongs in the top 24. And then a lot of other schools
25:25
have the same could have the same argument or discussion.
25:29
So if you got that many more teams with that kind of access,
25:33
I think it's easy to make that case rather than, you know, for
25:37
team like Ohio State, which is probably the most tepid of the
25:40
programs. You know, Ryan Day specifically
25:42
said, I'm not so sure it's good for Ohio State, but it's good
25:45
for the Big 10 and it's good for college football.
25:47
So you know, that that's why the most of the teams are and most
25:52
of the schools have rallied around that.
25:54
And I assume that's a real strong reason why the ACC and
25:57
and Big 12 as well, because it'll get, you know, get teams
26:00
with probably at least nine wins really into that conversation.
26:05
Rutgers, Marilyn. Purdue in Nebraska.
26:08
That's the company, your Huskers.
26:10
Weekend, the money have fallen. My God, unbelievable Doc, when
26:14
you put it that way, I'm guessing that didn't go over
26:17
very well in Lincoln etcetera, etcetera.
26:20
Oh my gosh, fascinating. Scott Dockerman from the
26:23
Athletic is joining us. Doc, you did also in in the
26:26
piece kind of your recap from the weekend from your from your
26:29
stay out in LA. You did put in Trenton.
26:32
I kind of tossed this around. If the championship goes away,
26:36
will there be any? You're not manipulating, but
26:39
we'll be able to to flex games would be come up with matchups
26:43
that would make sense. The PAC 12 is going to try it
26:45
this year as you pointed out. I love the idea, but that is off
26:48
the table when it comes to the Big 10.
26:50
Doc. Yeah, that's one that that they
26:54
kind of decided against. And I think part of it is what
26:58
Ohio State, Michigan means to the Big 10.
27:01
And that is it's such an important game and it generates
27:05
the highest ratings of any regular season game and it has
27:09
for the last five years. And it will continue to be in
27:11
that category. So to remove it from the final
27:15
weekend would probably would be a little bit, you know, it would
27:19
work out for the Big 10 in that regard.
27:21
And then the other thing that's really kind of interesting to me
27:24
is about Ohio State, Michigan. The last time that they met in a
27:27
winner take all division championship game for the Big 10
27:32
was in 2007, because in 2011 they went to divisional play.
27:36
They weren't in the same division for three years.
27:38
Then for 10 years they were. And then the last couple, they
27:40
haven't been, but they haven't reached at the same time.
27:44
So you can make the case that Ohio State, Michigan will have
27:47
more riding on it now than it has in the last two decades.
27:52
And, you know, and it could be winner take all.
27:54
It could be Ohio State's 8 and O Michigan six and two.
27:59
And Michigan beats them to prevent them from being a, you
28:02
know, sole champion or something like that.
28:04
So there's a lot that in that game and rivalry weekend.
28:11
I like the idea of a flex, you know, maybe even put it the
28:14
second the last weekend would be kind of fun.
28:16
But in this case, they're they're not interested in that.
28:21
Disappointing to say the least. So we wrap up the Big 10.
28:24
We got the Big 12 coming up. SEC is happening now is Greg
28:28
Sanki need to get maybe his coaches in line.
28:32
I saw another poll that was put out the coaches prefer going
28:36
above 16 as opposed to what's happening in the office and and
28:39
kind of in lockstep there. We know the SEC feels like
28:42
they're holding very firm. They don't want to go to 24.
28:45
How much does TV and the rights that ESPN has for the College
28:49
Football Playoff, up to 16 teams in the playoff.
28:52
How much does this play into that with the relationship with
28:55
ESPN and the SEC? That's got something to do with
28:59
it, no question about it. I mean the SECESPN owned SEC
29:03
Network. It is when it acquired sole
29:05
possession of SEC rights. It's the you know, it's not only
29:10
the flagship. I mean it is really the ESPN and
29:13
SEC seem to be in at least in this sport 1 the same.
29:17
So the fact that if if it goes on 16 teams that it goes up
29:20
forbid and it and ESPN/ABC isn't going to be the the sole rights
29:26
holder or if they are, they're going to pay through their
29:28
through the nose for them. You know it.
29:30
It does say something because they're partners and they work
29:33
together. But I'll, you know, I'll say
29:36
this, that there is a lot more support for it in the SEC than
29:39
what Greg Sankey has said. You know, I don't know how much
29:43
of its public posturing, if it's we need to talk about this, if
29:47
it's some sort of measurement that before he agrees that he
29:51
needs to talk to Tony and get concessions from Tony PD about
29:55
it for the easy 1. And I wrote about this too in my
30:01
takeaways was the big 10 is the only conference now that doesn't
30:05
have every team playing at least 10 power conference teams, which
30:07
is so weird because a few years ago was flipped and they and
30:11
according to AJ EADS, he used to play at Iowa, but he's the VP of
30:15
football administration. There's no pressure to put on
30:18
that at all. Now, again, I see that as more
30:22
of a line publicly that if Greg think he goes, OK, we'll grade
30:25
at 24. If everybody plays 10 done, it's
30:29
going to happen. You know, So that and and and to
30:32
top this off as well, there were were some questions of Tony
30:36
Patini about, well, why don't you just go to 16 now and see
30:39
what the assurances are with 24. And he's like, we're not
30:43
thinking about 16. We're thinking about straight
30:44
24. And, and the way I look at it
30:46
is, and some people like, you know, he's so hard headed about
30:49
this and I don't look at it that way.
30:50
All I look at it is why would he negotiate from concessions
30:54
already when he believes that this is the best one?
30:58
And it may get there, but it it's not really what he wants to
31:02
do. So why, why give a hint that
31:04
he's willing to concede on something when that's not what
31:07
he wants to concede on at all? So I kind of understand and
31:11
everything's a negotiation and we'll know what, how it happens.
31:15
But you know, if they went to 20 and say the first weekend there
31:19
were four games of eight teams and call it a wild card round
31:22
and then then they go to the playoff, that'd be kind of
31:25
interesting too. But that hasn't been discussed.
31:27
Doc So if we do get to that mandated 10 Power 4 opponents,
31:31
that bodes well for Cyhawk, wouldn't you say?
31:35
It yes and no. I mean, I was going to play 10
31:38
probably no matter what. And yeah, I think that it
31:41
probably means that it's going to continue.
31:44
And I think it will continue as long as Kirk Ference is the
31:47
coach. You know, as far as the future
31:50
goes, it's hard to say, but, you know, but I, I don't know.
31:53
But yeah, I mean, they're, they're under contract at least
31:56
through 2027 if I'm a call. Kirk, you're right.
31:59
Yep, you're right. If.
32:01
There was also some murmurs about a 10 game conference
32:04
schedule. Is that just in the infancy of
32:07
that and more? We're going to have to see how
32:09
this playoff plays out. Do you think that is something
32:11
where he maybe be looking at at the next television contract for
32:14
the Big 10? Yeah, I, I that didn't gain that
32:19
got out there and it didn't gain really much traction.
32:21
I didn't think. I was kind of surprised when I
32:23
saw it became kind of an issue. But yeah, they discussed
32:28
everything and but I also don't I, I just don't see that being a
32:33
situation. Now.
32:33
Maybe it's something to to leak to put pressure on the SEC
32:37
because the Big 10, if they do that, they're I don't really
32:40
give them much of an opportunity to go play outside the
32:42
conference. Any of those games are just
32:44
going to play against one another.
32:46
And the SEC will have some good games with the ACC, but the
32:50
marketable opponents aren't quite as strong in the other
32:53
leagues. And so that that could be a, you
32:56
know, just kind of a trial balloon to leak out there.
32:58
But I don't see that as a realistic option at all.
33:01
Just about every everybody's fine with with 9 at this point.
33:04
Scott Dockerman joining us talk the last thing on this topic,
33:08
the college football calendar. It seems like there's a movement
33:13
now because the what the championship game is I think
33:15
January 27th, right around there this year in Las Vegas and
33:18
Legion. That is not a lot of folks
33:22
starting to rethink. That's just too late in the
33:23
year. Do you see that this, that this?
33:27
Did these meetings move in the direction of a shorter calendar?
33:31
Was that a big topic? Yeah, that was Ryan Day was that
33:37
was his number one thing. That's what the football coaches
33:40
have been talking about. And, and frankly, that's what
33:42
Pettini was as well. And, and some of the other
33:45
administrators, which is that they've had to adjust so many
33:49
different times to so many different things, which are.
33:50
It's all right. We're going to make League Zero
33:52
part of the schedule and we're going to add and, you know,
33:55
extra rounds of playoffs and we're going to do this.
33:57
But it never really addresses the the calendar itself.
34:01
And you're talking about such crazy overlap with the, the
34:04
transfer portal and, and they're trying to get their rosters
34:07
together for the following year. And they, you know what, they
34:09
still go to school. So they're gonna have to try to
34:11
get them in a class and, and all that sort of thing that they
34:14
want the season to end earlier. And that is, you know, pretty
34:19
much impressed upon everybody that in the future if there is
34:23
going to be a 2014 playoff, that it's going to end in early
34:28
January. And, and kind of the, the
34:30
calendar that I don't know, I guess was discussed
34:33
hypothetically was, you know, you end your season on
34:37
Thanksgiving weekend, the first weekend in December's first
34:40
round. Second weekend in December is
34:42
the second round and both rounds are on campuses.
34:46
So that would be, you know, 16 total on campus games in the
34:50
first two rounds. Then it gets a little tricky
34:52
because you got to go up against the NFL and in week 3.
34:55
And they've shown no qualms about putting their best teams
34:59
on that weekend head to head with college football because
35:02
they can't, you know, they're the NFL and you're not, you
35:05
know, they're they're your best look, your best looking buddy
35:08
who goes to a bar with you in college.
35:10
And no matter who you're talking to, he knows he can.
35:13
He can hang out with that person.
35:15
Well put. The Big 10 of the SEC, they are
35:18
definitely those guys. And with it, Jamie Pollard
35:21
created some headlines. I know that was a conversation
35:23
piece for the Big 10 people that were out there with you in LA,
35:27
but it goes back to what we look at with the College Sports
35:31
Commission and this cap. That's not a cap, it's a joke.
35:33
It's not real. We see not just SEC in Big 10
35:36
schools, but Texas Tech and Miami and the people with the
35:39
means that are going past it. What does the future look like?
35:43
And with NIL and everything, what was your take away on that
35:46
front? I know for a lot of people it
35:47
makes your head hurt so try to help me out because it does mine
35:50
sometimes too. Yeah, it makes my head hurt.
35:53
So I can't imagine what it's like.
35:54
People don't study this, but but they're trying to make it work.
35:59
It it's it's legitimate. They're not trying to skirt it.
36:02
And and when you talk about like the Nebraska situation, I mean,
36:04
there is a clause to go to arbitration for the athletes.
36:07
It's not so much for the the schools fighting it, it's it's
36:12
really more about the athletes being able to ensure that they
36:14
get their money and they and they work it.
36:16
So so some of these battles are healthy.
36:19
They're part of the system. That's it's not just supposed to
36:21
be, you know, you know, gladiator or you know, who loves
36:25
to thumb up or thumbs down on people.
36:27
I mean, so that they don't see that as much of a problem.
36:31
Now there's there's so many aspects to whether to try to get
36:37
some sort of wage control underway.
36:39
I mean, that of course, you know, who knows what kind of
36:42
collusion that entail unless they get a something from
36:44
Congress, which last week they were hoping that the Save Act
36:47
gets it back on there and it didn't.
36:50
It got pulled from the floor. So they kind of hoped at some
36:53
point it does return return. So that that's a lot of lot of
36:58
stuff kind of going on. And and I understand, I think
37:01
Jamie's frustration was is obvious.
37:04
And I think for some people that at the big 10, they they they
37:09
weren't like mad. They were just kind of like,
37:11
hey, we're all frustrated here. And you know, let's just kind
37:15
of, you know, I don't understand why he wants to break away for
37:18
but you know, and it probably wouldn't be who of Iowa State to
37:22
be and let's break away category.
37:24
So but you know, was it off the cuff and was it just a lash out
37:29
frustration wise? You know, and we've seen that
37:32
from Jamie before. Sure, I think that's probably
37:34
the case. But you know, I don't know that
37:37
that was the what the big 10 was was thinking because they were
37:40
all sharing in his frustration. But like, that's really not the
37:43
way to put it. Good stuff, Scott Document from
37:46
the Athletic Doc. What will you be writing this
37:49
week that we can look forward to?
37:51
Well, I think we'll have some TV kick off time coming out in the
37:55
next day or two. Cyhawk and yeah and huh?
37:59
Cyhawk, one of them. I think so, yeah.
38:02
Well, he'll definitely be one of them.
38:04
So, you know, it might be a long day for people, I think.
38:08
And then I, and I think that, you know, I'm also working on, I
38:13
talked to a lot of basketball coaches while I was out there.
38:15
So I'm kind of right about how basketball impacts, you know,
38:20
how, how, what they're kind of on their mind.
38:22
And among them was Ben McCollum. And he was kind of talking about
38:26
how he's trying his best to get home games against other power
38:29
institutions. And they're all saying no.
38:31
And everybody's kind of going through that right now.
38:33
So they're trying to line up some neutral site games.
38:36
But it's, is that, is that really the healthy way to
38:38
schedule? So I'm, I'm writing about that,
38:40
as you know, sometime this week. Good stuff Scott Duckerman from
38:43
the Athletic Dock. Thank you, as always
38:45
appreciated. We will run you down next week
38:47
if your schedule allows. Thank you, Scott Duckerman.
38:49
Appreciate it. Thanks.
38:50
Appreciate it guys. Good to talk to you.
38:52
Interesting. So did you get that kind of
38:55
feeling? I mentioned that last week.
38:56
You did, yeah. That it's for sure going to
38:59
happen. That's there's nothing for sure
39:01
until the press release comes out.
39:03
So what time are we kicking off 6?
39:05
30 on NBC. 6:30 on NBC. That's my speculation.
39:09
This is not reporting. No.
39:12
We are not reporters, Scott. Dr. Man, he's a reporter, right?
39:14
We're a couple of knuckleheads talking to the microphone.
39:16
That is different circumstances. It is so, and by the sounds of
39:20
things, we're going to know this in the next day or so listening.
39:22
To tomorrow. Tomorrow.
39:23
Yeah. All the how?
39:24
Many weeks will we get. First 3 just like we normally
39:27
do. Yeah, we get the non conference
39:28
games. They usually have homecoming on
39:30
there, so potentially get a start time for that one.
39:33
Maybe also get the Black Friday game.
39:35
I think I have this one locked as well.
39:36
So the Black Friday game is hopefully going to kick off at
39:38
11. Please tell me that's right.
39:40
Yes, good. Because if you look through the
39:42
slate, there's already a couple of games that are scheduled.
39:45
You got Texas A&M, Texas, that's a night game.
39:49
Egg Bowl is also 11:00 on ABC. There's only I think three games
39:55
maybe that are not announced kick off time, including that.
39:58
Well, CBS has had that game the last couple of years now.
40:02
NBC, Remember had it two years ago.
40:05
When it was at Kinnock. But it'll be one of those two,
40:07
either, I believe 11:00 on CBS or 630 on NBC.
40:12
Homecoming Purdue is in Iowa City in the middle of November.
40:17
That's too late. It's Wisconsin.
40:19
It's homecoming. It's going to be Wisconsin.
40:20
Yes, on Halloween. On Halloween.
40:22
Don't think you're going to get a night game for that one, but
40:25
boy that would be fun. How many game?
40:27
How many games? Obviously the Iowa State game,
40:29
if you're right, and I believe you will be, and I'm talking
40:32
about kidding, Rd. games is another story.
40:34
Ohio State, where's that going to be?
40:35
Is that big Noon kickoff? That's going to be Big Noon.
40:37
That's I went through on my Lockdown Hawkeyes podcast for
40:40
today. My guesses for all the games.
40:44
Nebraska early Purdue, Doesn't matter.
40:47
It'll be a Big 10. 11 BTN. Wisconsin So homecoming would be
40:51
what time? Middle of the afternoon.
40:53
I had that 111 on FS1. I had CBS for the Illinois Rd.
40:58
game 2:30. What about at Washington on the
41:03
10th of October? That's already been announced
41:05
that Friday night. Oh, that's right.
41:06
To move to Friday, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
41:08
Yeah, and I think you're going to get the first Big 10 game,
41:11
the road game in Ann Arbor. I think that's going to not be
41:15
the Big Noon game because I think that's going to be the
41:16
following week with Ohio State coming to town.
41:19
Under the lights on NBCI. Think it's going to be 230
41:21
because Big Noon that week, not a awesome slate of Big 10 games.
41:26
Purdue hosts Notre Dame. Fox does not get Notre Dame very
41:31
often. They want as bad as the game is
41:32
going. To be Yes.
41:33
Here's their opportunity. You want the game like that
41:35
knowing that it's going to be a. Blowout.
41:36
It's Notre Dame and it's going to be a really good Notre Dame
41:39
team. No, that's what I mean.
41:40
It's going to be a really bad Purdue team.
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But it's Notre Dame. Back to wrap it up, Tres plays
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of the day, our next Miller and Condon Iowa Sports Radio
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Network. Hi Miller and Condon, welcome
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back. Final few seconds of our
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program. Let's get right to ATC.
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We're going to play the Thunder, going to lay the four this
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evening against San Antonio and a bounce back spot give you the
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Nationals plus 1/22. And then our player props on
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Juiced helping me out here. We got a Harrison over 6 1/2
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strikeouts for the Brew Crew. We're going to go Schlitter over
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5 1/2 KS, Yardon Alvarez over 1 and a half total bases and under
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for the first inning of the Rockies and the Dodgers.
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All right, we'll grade your work tomorrow.
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Kathy joins us tomorrow. It should be Spirit, especially
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if the Pirates take another one from the Cubbies.
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I look forward to catching up with Kathy.
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Tomorrow at 1:00, we're Millery Condon.
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Trent and I talk sports with you every Monday through Friday from
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noon until 2 on the Iowa Sports Radio Network.