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JFK ASSASSINATION - Ep. 380 - A Tale Of 2 Morticians · The Lone Gunman Podcast : JFK Assassination

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  Speaker 3: the mortician that was working on his son Sonny. So
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  Speaker 3: in a coming future week. We have some uh two
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  Speaker 3: be excited to hear from. And yeah, with that, let's
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  Speaker 3: let's get us started here.
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  Speaker 4: All right, So Joe, tonight, we're gonna be talking about
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  Speaker 4: two morticians, one being Paul Grudy, the other being John Liggett.
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  Speaker 4: Thanks to somebody bringing up John Liggett a couple weeks back.
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  Speaker 4: Just turned into a double mortician show because I actually
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  Speaker 4: haven't done a show on Paul Grudy before. Now, Paul
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  Speaker 4: Grudy was Oswalt's mortician. Okay, he's the one that prepared
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  Speaker 4: Oswald's body for burial in Dallas and John and Niggot's
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  Speaker 4: a different story, and we'll get there in a minute.
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  Speaker 4: Joe's gonna handle that, and I'm gonna handle Paul Grudy.
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  Speaker 4: So Paul Grudy is a very mysterious guy. Like, he's
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  Speaker 4: not really outspoken, and the only interview ever done with
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  Speaker 4: him was on the men who killed Kennedy. And like
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  Speaker 4: we always say, it helps when you see the person
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  Speaker 4: and you listen to them speak. At least that helps
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  Speaker 4: my bullshit meet her a lot. Okay, to me, Joe,
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  Speaker 4: this guy doesn't sound like a kook. I mean, of course,
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  Speaker 4: you gotta be a little fucking weird. Don't want to
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  Speaker 4: work with dead bodies and.
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  Speaker 3: Shit, right, right, that's part for the course, as they say, right, But.
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  Speaker 4: This dude seems pretty grounded in his shit. So we're
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  Speaker 4: going to take a look at the only known interview
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  Speaker 4: of Paul Grudy and then we'll get into talking about
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  Speaker 4: it a little bit. But let's hear what he says first.
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  Speaker 3: Okay. And it was Sally who recommended Ligot. I wasn't
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  Speaker 3: sure if it was Sally or Paula, but it was Sally,
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  Speaker 3: So thank you Sally for that.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, see how this works.
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  Speaker 3: Let me that's what lighting here.
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  Speaker 4: Let's see how this works.
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  Speaker 3: You didn't compliment me on my haircut. My haircut I
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  Speaker 3: was saving just before I go to Italy. I don't
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  Speaker 3: know how the barbers are work over there.
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  Speaker 4: So okay, here we go. All right, let me make
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  Speaker 4: this bad boy a full screener. I'm gonna get rid
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  Speaker 4: of the comments here, just for clarity's sake. Here for
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  Speaker 4: a minute.
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  Speaker 3: Wow, you're good at that.
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  Speaker 5: I had gotten to the funeral home with his body
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  Speaker 5: something in the neighborhood of eleven o'clock at night, and
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  Speaker 5: it is a several hour procedure to prepare the remains.
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  Speaker 5: After this time, someplace in the early early morning, agents came.
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  Speaker 5: Now I say agents because I'm not familiar at the
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  Speaker 5: moment with whether they were Secret Service or if be
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  Speaker 5: high or what they were. But agents did come. And
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  Speaker 5: when they did come, they fingerprinted. And the only reason
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  Speaker 5: that we knew they did. They were carrying a satchel
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  Speaker 5: and equipment and ask us if they might have the
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  Speaker 5: preparation room to themselves. And after it was all over,
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  Speaker 5: we found ink on Lee Harvey's hands showing that they
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  Speaker 5: had finger printed him and palm printed him. We had
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  Speaker 5: to take that ink back off in order to prepare him.
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  Speaker 5: For burial and to eliminate that ink.
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  Speaker 4: All right, I'm hesitant to play the rest because I
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  Speaker 4: hear the music coming up in the background, So maybe
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  Speaker 4: let me turn on close captions and see if we
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  Speaker 4: can mute this. Okay, sorry about that, folks, But Joe,
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  Speaker 4: what do you think so far about mister Grudy's credibility
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  Speaker 4: and his believability just from singing him on here?
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  Speaker 3: Uh to me, seems pretty credible, to be honest.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Now, of course Grudy handled the Oswald funeral as well,
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  Speaker 4: and we'll get into I'm gonna get into that here
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  Speaker 4: in a minute. He also handled, or was involved with,
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  Speaker 4: or consulted with uh ring Lee Harvey Oswald's exhumation in
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  Speaker 4: nineteen eighty one, which is what we're going to be
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  Speaker 4: getting into on members Only next week as a part
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  Speaker 4: two to this. Now here he is again, I'll shut up. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: Oswald funeral, patted his body, caressed him, reached down between
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  Speaker 4: his legs and eased the seat back, took his wedding band.
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  Speaker 3: How did they even pay for that?
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  Speaker 4: Who?
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  Speaker 3: Just the gravestone, tombstone and that nice.
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  Speaker 4: Little Marina's money? What do you think?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: You know his mom didn't pay for shit.
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  Speaker 3: Well Marina didn't really get the money until a little later.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but they kind of do it, do it on
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  Speaker 4: like credit, you know. I mean, you got to bury people,
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  Speaker 4: and it was probably pay as you go type of thing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, don't get me started on the cemetery industrial complex.
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  Speaker 3: It is real. Now.
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  Speaker 4: What he's saying here is they don't know who they
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  Speaker 4: have out there in that grave. And this is again,
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  Speaker 4: this is part of the exhumation when they when they
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  Speaker 4: dug his ship up to nineteen eighty one, the author
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  Speaker 4: Edward Epstein convinced Marina that a different Oswald came back
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  Speaker 4: from Russia then the one that went to Russia, and
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  Speaker 4: she pulled into it so much she agreed to Ezuoma's body. Now,
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  Speaker 4: of course Robert was against it, Marguerite was against it,
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  Speaker 4: but Marguerite died before this happened. I think his gravestone
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  Speaker 4: was stolen a couple of times by looters. Yeah, he's
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  Speaker 4: just getting into the exclamation.
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  Speaker 3: Part of this.
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  Speaker 4: So I'm just going to stop it right there and
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  Speaker 4: we'll watch the rest of it on or we don't
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  Speaker 4: have to worry about getting dinged, which.
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  Speaker 6: We did by my fault. Yeah, with the uh you know,
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  Speaker 6: Oswald was shot. Oswald was shot.
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  Speaker 3: There was a shot. Basically, I didn't touch the thing.
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  Speaker 4: What in the sam hades is going on here?
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  Speaker 3: I'm in the comments section, bro, It's not me this
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  Speaker 3: time for months?
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  Speaker 7: What the ship?
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  Speaker 4: What is going on here?
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  Speaker 3: Scott said. Oswalt did or I guess paid for it,
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  Speaker 3: which would make sense to me. You know, the money
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  Speaker 3: for Marino was just starting to pour in. So at
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  Speaker 3: the hands of James.
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  Speaker 7: Verbarton, of course, I'll get things fixed here eventually.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, you're good right now.
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  Speaker 4: They had that back then turned the chat box back on. Okay,
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  Speaker 4: we're back to normal, all right, what eli alalujah now.
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  Speaker 4: So in nineteen sixty three, mister Paul Grudy was employed
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  Speaker 4: by the Miller Funeral Home out of Fort Worth, and
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  Speaker 4: that's where Oswald's corpse was received from Parkland Hospital at
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  Speaker 4: around eleven pm in the evening on twenty four November
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  Speaker 4: to be embalmed and prepared immediately for a hasty viewing
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  Speaker 4: and burial the next day. So they didn't fuck around.
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  Speaker 4: They wanted this dude brown. What I am surprised about
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  Speaker 4: is that they kept him at Parkland for ten hours
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  Speaker 4: after he died. I guess they had to make arrangements
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  Speaker 4: and all.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but we muted at Peaches on purpose as to
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  Speaker 3: not get copyrighted.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, they started playing some spooky background music.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, where was I?
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  Speaker 4: So what he was saying in the video is that
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  Speaker 4: while Oswald was at the funeral home that night on
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  Speaker 4: the twenty fourth, that some agents, and he doesn't know
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  Speaker 4: where they were from. He doesn't know whether they were FBI,
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  Speaker 4: Secret Service CIA came and fingerprinted Lee Harvey Oswald after
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  Speaker 4: he's been dead for at least twelve hours. Right now,
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  Speaker 4: I'm not sure the reason for this. Some speculate that
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  Speaker 4: they used those prints from Oswald and transferred certain pieces
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  Speaker 4: of them to the rifle. And my guess is that
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  Speaker 4: was FBI agents, because they had the FBI by this
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  Speaker 4: time had taken control of the investigation, control of the evidence,
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  Speaker 4: control of the rifle. It was the FBI lab. So
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  Speaker 4: I'm not sure, because they already had his fingerprints a
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  Speaker 4: couple times over. You know, they got him when they booked.
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  Speaker 3: Him, right, but his fingerprints weren't found on the rifle initially,
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  Speaker 3: and then a partial was found later.
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  Speaker 4: Correct, It's all hazy like if you read that book
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  Speaker 4: first day evidence, they claimed that they had fingerprints on
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  Speaker 4: the rifle and that from them collecting them, they kind
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  Speaker 4: of destroyed the evidence, send it to the FBI, and
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  Speaker 4: then I believe the FBI didn't find any actually on
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  Speaker 4: the rifle. But once they took the rifle apart, they
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  Speaker 4: found a partial palm print under the barrel, under the stock.
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  Speaker 4: So who knows it's the fingerprint evidence? You can't you
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  Speaker 4: can't trust. There's the chain of custody screws everything all up.
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  Speaker 4: You need to mention the fact that these spooky agents
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  Speaker 4: come to get his fingerprints in the in the middle
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  Speaker 4: of the night for some reason, after he's dead. I'm
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  Speaker 4: not sure what happens to the body after you're dead
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  Speaker 4: for so long, or if skin slippers becomes a factor,
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  Speaker 4: or your body starts secreting different oils and uh stuff
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  Speaker 4: out of your skin, how it would affect your fingerprint,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Right, but this is the night of Sunday evening to
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  Speaker 3: Monday morning.
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  Speaker 4: Sunday, right, yep, in the early hours of twenty five November.
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  Speaker 4: That would be early in the middle of the night
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  Speaker 4: Monday morning, so after midnight he was working on Oswald's
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  Speaker 4: corpse and when he was interrupted by the arrival of
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  Speaker 4: two agents. Grudy is now dead. Of course, he died
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  Speaker 4: in shit, when was it? When was it?
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  Speaker 3: Joe, Wendy Birdie die? I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I've got it here, Just give me two seconds. I've
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  Speaker 4: got it all right, Yeah, all right. He died in
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  Speaker 4: twenty ten.
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  Speaker 3: So star media medal medal, So he must have been.
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  Speaker 4: He was a World War Two hero. Yeah, bronze recipient
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  Speaker 4: from in the US Army Tech three Level three technician
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  Speaker 4: US Army.
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  Speaker 3: Oh I didn't see that in the middle yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, And he lived a nice long life, lived to
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  Speaker 4: be ninety one years old. Like I said, died in
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  Speaker 4: twenty ten. So is this the kind of guy that's
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  Speaker 4: gonna make up fucking bullshit stories? Joe? Do you think?
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  Speaker 3: Uh? No, not on the surface. I do not think so. No,
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  Speaker 3: my original, it's not my original, feel.
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  Speaker 4: Let's see. So, according to Sebastian Latona's Warrant Commission testimony,
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  Speaker 4: it ccluded the information that the Secret Service only occasionally
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  Speaker 4: dealt with forensic evidence. Since the Secret Service had no
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  Speaker 4: investigative role after the assassination, we could probably comfortably conclude
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  Speaker 4: that it was FBI agents who came into the Prince
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  Speaker 4: I'd agree with that. The two men asked Grudy to
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  Speaker 4: be left alone with Oswald's body for a while, and
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  Speaker 4: mister Grudy obligingly withdrew from the room. When the two
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  Speaker 4: agents departed. Some time later, Grudy recalled Oswald's hands needed
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  Speaker 4: to be thoroughly cleaned again due to a fresh coating
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  Speaker 4: of black ink where his visitors had obviously taken prints
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  Speaker 4: from the corpse. This incident at the funeral home was
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  Speaker 4: Oswald's fifth fingerprinting. Joe, I told you they fingerprinted the
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  Speaker 4: hell out of this dude. They already had it four times.
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  Speaker 4: This was the fifth fucking time they printed. Why Why?
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  Speaker 4: The incident in the funeral home was Oswall's the fifth
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  Speaker 4: and final post assassination fingerprinting, the preceding four having been
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  Speaker 4: entered sequentially into evidence by the Warrant Commission at CEE
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  Speaker 4: six two seven that would be his arrest Prince his
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  Speaker 4: initial arrest prints C six eight and six twenty nine.
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  Speaker 4: These were his two palm prints that were taken in custody,
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  Speaker 4: and CE six point thirty his post mortem DPD palm
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  Speaker 4: prints and fingerprints taken at the Parkland Morgue.
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  Speaker 3: So that was during the ten hours before he was transferred.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, now, and those prints are actually in the sixth
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  Speaker 4: floor museum. You want to see another picture from my
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  Speaker 4: visit Joe of course, through the sixth floor. Yeah, let's
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  Speaker 4: see here. Where is my gallery if I got to
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  Speaker 4: go back to twenty nineteen, back in the day when
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  Speaker 4: I was there.
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  Speaker 3: The last time the Triple B will be there was there.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, or we'll be here they are. Let me share
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  Speaker 4: these with my email and then I can pull them.
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  Speaker 4: I want to show you these because it's again something
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  Speaker 4: that you don't really see every day. And they're still
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  Speaker 4: surprisingly and good condition like they you know, they haven't
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  Speaker 4: deteriorated over the years. And they're big, which is Jesus nice,
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  Speaker 4: a big baby.
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  Speaker 3: There were some big Dorothy fingerprints.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, here we go, it's incoming. Here we go. See this.
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  Speaker 4: So we got Oswald's fingerprints and palm prints taking November
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  Speaker 4: twenty second, matched prints found in the sniper's perch and
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  Speaker 4: on the rifle. Of course, that's what they're going to say.
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  Speaker 3: Now at the.
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  Speaker 4: Bottom left corner, it's the Dallas Police lifted Oswald's palm
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  Speaker 4: prints from beneath the wooden stock of the rifle, and
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  Speaker 4: then on the bottom right it has the alleged points
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  Speaker 4: in the sight paper's nest area where Oswald's prints were
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  Speaker 4: found on the boxes. And then of course we have
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  Speaker 4: the big full hand palm and fingerprints. And then in
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  Speaker 4: the very top middle that's when he was arrested. That's
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  Speaker 4: his initial arrest fingerprinting. So I just thought it was
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  Speaker 4: cool that I actually had a picture that had all
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  Speaker 4: of these examples in there, you know, all in one
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  Speaker 4: foul swoop, right, So yeah, very cool.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, like a little plaque type thing.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean they're in good shape.
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  Speaker 3: Man.
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  Speaker 4: The prints taken, presumably by the FBI, are not in
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  Speaker 4: any kind of findable record. Shocker enough, they don't even
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  Speaker 4: admit that they did it, so that's a problem.
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  Speaker 3: Uh.
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  Speaker 4: Now. In June nineteen sixty, Hoover had written an intriguing
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  Speaker 4: memo to the State Department concerning the then unknown Oswald's
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  Speaker 4: activities at the time of his defection, his attempt to
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  Speaker 4: enroll with the Albert Schweizer School in Switzerland. This memo,
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  Speaker 4: which does not appear in the Warrant Commission's evidence, but
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  Speaker 4: later was found in the jfk assassination files contained Hoover's
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  Speaker 4: statement that their quote, there's a possibility that an impostor
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: is using Oswald's birth certificate. It therefore appears highly likely
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: that someone in the FBI, perhaps Hoover himself, wanted to
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: personally satisfy themselves that Lee Harvey Oswald, whose fingerprints the
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: FBI already possessed, was the same Lee Harvey Oswald then
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: lying in the Fort Worth morgue. So that's an interesting
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: possibility as well. I'm not even gonna get into the
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: mac Wallace of the alleged Macwallace fingerprint bullshit. Yeah, we
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: don't need to do that. We don't need to go there,
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: because that is shit, all right. For whatever reason, Oswald
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: refused to sign his freshly inked ten print card that
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: was his initial arrest fingerprint card. He didn't sign it.
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: He ain't signing that everybody, effectively attempting to deny ownership
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: of his own fingerprints. The first set of post arrest
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: prints became the warning commission to the exhibit see thirty
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: See six thirty. Sorry it's some stage. In the next
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: twelve hours, as Oswald's interrogation proceeded and fits and starts.
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: Prints were also taken from his left and right poems
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: blah blah blah. During the evening of November twenty second,
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: dpd's John Day JC Day successfully vert a few indistinct
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: fingerprints and one distinct palm print from the alleged assassination rifle.
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: Working alone, though throughout he performed a comparison between these
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: lifted prints and Oswald's inc post arrest prints. Day later
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: stated that his comparison was suggestive of a match, but
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: not conclusive. The rifle subsequently became CE one thirty nine
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: and the palm print lifted from it as CE six
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: thirty seven. Now in the middle of all this happening,
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: the FBI descended on Dallas and seized control of the
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: investigation and the evidence at eleven forty five. The evening
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: of eleven twenty two sixty three, Lieutenant Day handed the
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: rifle to FBI agent Vince Dane, who departed with it
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: on a flight to d to Washington, DC, headed for
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: FBI headquarters. Drayne left without days accompanying fingerprint materials. Lieutenant
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: Day declined to provide a written statement to the Warrant Commission,
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: but a report of his recollections from that day or
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: from that night is included in the documents comprising of
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: CE three one four five. Lieutenant Day is surprisingly recorded
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: as having said that it was his sole personal and
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: private decision to disobey orders issued by the DPD Chief
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: Jesse Curry to hand over all the evidence to the FBI.
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: Day said that he held back to print evidence for
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: further study to see if it could definitely be matched
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: to Oswald. So here you have Lieutenant J. C. Day
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: purpose purposefully not handing over his fingerprint examination in comparison
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: to the rifle from Oswald stuff. Now, early on the
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: twenty thirty November of the FBI, Sebastian Latona, he was
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: a supervisor of the Fingerprint ID Department for the FBI,
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: took possession of the rifle. As he subsequently testified before
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: the warrant commissioned. His examination found some vague smears produced
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: by contact with human hands on the rifle surfaces, but
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: no fingerprints or palm prints complete enough for identification purposes.
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: So the FBI Joe did not find any palm prints
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: or fingerprints on the rifle, which was a problem. That's
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: a problem for them. On the same day, the rifle
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: was quietly returned to Dallas. On November twenty fourth, nineteen
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: sixty three, Oswald shot while in DPD custody, rushed to
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: Parkland Memorial Hospital, where he died and his body was
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: put in the hospital's morgue. Now, Grudy doesn't really say
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: anything crazy, and he doesn't really make any conspiratorial accusations
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: of really any kind.
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: It's just.
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: He witnessed a very odd or oddly timed event, if
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: you will, right, you know, why is the FBI coming
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: to fingerprintice motherfucker again for the fifth time? Unless unless
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: the DPD wasn't handing over Oswald's fingerprint evidence they wanted
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: their own, I guess, but you think they could have
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: done it during the ten hours that he's laying on
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: the slavic Parkland instead of waiting until he's in the
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: morgue or at the funeral home getting embalmed. But that's
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: just me. Also, you have to remember that the DPD
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: was suspiciously publicly silent about their so called fingerprint evidence.
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: They didn't say a word about JC days alleged matching
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: of the fingerprints and palm prints to anything on the
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: rifle from Oswald. They didn't mention it publicly. They didn't
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: talk about it, So they're kind of withholding it information
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: and evidence from the FBI on purpose. That wasn't because
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: they destroyed the evidence collecting the evidence. I don't know
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: now what's interesting about Groody. I mean, he's the director
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: of the funeral home, right, Yeah, Nobody wanted to dig
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: this motherfucker's grave. Nobody wanted to be pallbearers.
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: For Oswald, right right, the reporters to be.
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: He told the grave diggers that the piles of dirt
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: they were moving were in service of a deceased man
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: named William Bobo and not Lee Harvey Oswald. He told
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: He even told him a story that Bobo was an
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: old in the Fort Worth area and he was currently
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: occupying one of the tables inside the funeral parlor. He
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: died from old age and sun drenched living, having caught
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: up to him at the age of the ripe old
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: age of seventy five. That's what Grudy told him. He said,
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: that hole is for Bobo. So he lied to him
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: purposefully because he knew that the grave diggers had been like,
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: I ain't digging that guy's grave. When Griddy called in
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: the range for flowers for Oswald's casket and for the funeral.
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: He told the floors to put Bobo on the tag
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: and not Oswalt's name. Interesting, when Grudy picked out a
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: brown suit for the service, the reporters who were milling
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: around the funeral home asked him who it was for,
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: and he told them the reporters it's for mister Bobo.
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: Groody was lying. The flowers weren't for Bobo, the hole
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: wasn't for Bobo, the suit wasn't for Bobo. They were
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: actually for Lee Harvey Oswald. And like Joe said, nobody
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: wanted to be a pall bear. So they basically harangued
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: the media, the newsmen that were there, into carrying Oswald's
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: casket to the spot in the cemetery where he would
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: later be buried. So, like I said, not too crazy
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: of a story with Groody on this end of it
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: remembers only next week. The story does get crazier when
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: we start talking about Oswald's exhumation, if you will, and
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: some of the things that he talks about there, especially
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: after they dig Oswald up and seemingly his head is
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: not attached to his body anymore. But we'll get there
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: on members only. So, Joe, I'm gonna turn it over
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: to you, and we're gonna get into the other mortician
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: that we're gonna be talking about tonight, mister John Liggett.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: Yes, mister John Melvin Liggott.
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: And uh I saw that, dude, and I was like,
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: and I had to look really close. I was like,
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: does that say Martin? It's John Martin Liggot. I'm gonna
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: flip no, John Melvin.
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So he worked as a mister Liggett as an
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: embalmer and a mortetician in Dallas, primarily at Restland Funeral Home.
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: He was highly skilled in body reconstruction, capable of rebuilding
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: facial features, lips, noses, eyes, that type of things on
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: victims of shootings, accidents, or other type of traumas. Colleagues
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: such as mortician Charles Smith, who were going to hear
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: from in a couple of minutes in The Men Who
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: Killed Kennedy, praised him as quote the best in his field,
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: noting he would often work overnight on complex cases.
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: Well, Joe, this is the guy they called to reconstruct
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: Jane Mansfield after being decapitated in a horrible automobile accident.
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: Back then because her family wanted to have an open casket,
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: so he had to reconstruct her to make it look
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: like she didn't ever head snapped off, and you know
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: he had to reconstruct her face enough to where she's
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: recognizable and doesn't look horrible in the casket. Right, Yeah,
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: the guy was at what he did.
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: Yes, he had to use all of his powers. To
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: quote the Godfather again and Trey. He was also allegedly
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: evolved in the Civil Air Patrol, where family members claimed
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: he knew figures like David Ferry.
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: See signor He then in the.
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: Seventies got into some trouble. Rough, He got into some trouble.
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: He became embroiled in serious crimes. In March seventy four,
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: he was arrested for the attempted murder, aggravated robbery, and
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: arson of Dorothy A. Peck, a forty four year old
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: woman he met at a nightclub in Dallas. According to reports,
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: he beat her with the hammer, causing severe headface in
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: abdamo injuries, set her bed on fire after stuffing clothing
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: under it, and stole her nineteen seventy one plymouth, which
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: was later found burned as well. Police questioned him in
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: February seventy four, and let me see, I'm just gonna
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: skip through some of this. At the time of his death,
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: he faced charges including robbery, arson, assault with intent to
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: commit murder, and the unauthorized use of a vehicle. Leaguette
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: died on February fourteenth, nineteen seventy five, at the young
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: age of forty one rob in Dallas, Texas. During a
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: transfer where does that sound familiar from the Dallas County
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: Courthouse back to jail after a court appearance, he freed
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: himself from handcuffs and attempted to escape from a paddy wagon.
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: He ran along Houston Street, ignored commands to halt, and
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: was shot in the back by Deputy Joe Crawford with
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: a nine millimeter pistol. He fell face down onto the
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: sidewalk and was taken to, of course, Parkland Hospital and
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: died on the operating table at three point thirty pm,
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: about thirty minutes after being shot. Newspaper accounts from the
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: Dallas Times Herald which I and Dallas Morning News which
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: I have.
• 41:31
  Speaker 8: Both of those.
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: Describes it as a legitimate escape attempt, though some conspiracy
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: theorists speculate it was a staged quote execution end quote
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: to silence him. And now we're going to get to
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: the alleged connection to the Kennedy assassination. Legets. Purported involvement
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: in the JFK assassination stems entirely from quote, fringe conspiracy
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: theories with little credible evidence from official investigations like the
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: Warren Commission or the HSCA. And yes, Rob I searched
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: on Mary Farrell and there is nothing on him. There's
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: nothing on him.
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but those fringe conspiracy theories are highly entertaining, so
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: they stick around.
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah. These claims gained prominence in two thousand and three
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: episode of The Men Who Killed Kennedy which were Going
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: to Get to shortly produced by Nigel Turner, as well
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: as Tim Fleming's twenty thirteen historical novel The President's Mortician.
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: On the Day, some conspiracy theories claim on the day
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: of the assassination, Liggett was at Wrestling Funeral Home attending
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: the funeral of I Guess, his aunt, when he received
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: a call from Parkland. Theorists claim he was summoned to
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: reconstruct or alter JFK's body, specifically to modify head wounds
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: to conceal evidence. Of multiple shooters or a frontal shot,
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: supporting the single shooter narrative. Some versions suggests he participated
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: in a quote body switch of JD. Tippett. I'm not
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: going to.
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: A different body.
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So after the call, Legett allegedly rushed home, told
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: his family to pack, and fled Dallas in a high
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: speed drive to Austin, San Antonio and Corpus Christi, Texas,
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: holding secretive meetings with relatives and friends along the way.
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: Upon seeing Jack Ruby shoot Lee Harvey Oswalt on TV,
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: he reportedly said, quote, everything's okay, Now we can go home.
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: The family returned to Dallas, where Leggett suddenly acquired wealth
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: and a luxurious lifestyle, which Lois is his wife, who
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: also appears on Men Who Killed Kennedy? What we're going
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: to get too shortly. There's some claims that he had
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: intelligence connections. I'm not going to get into that because
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: I don't, you know, it's kind of hearsay. Sources for
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: these claims include interviews with his ex wife Lois and
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: daughter Deborah in the documentary Men Who Could Kill Kennedy,
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: who described him as quote insanely talented at bodywork and
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: suggested the family was used as a cover, so a
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: lot of mainstream historians and official reports dismissed these theories
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: as baseless speculation, relying on circumstantial anecdotes and secondhand accounts
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: without physical evidence. The documentary series itself was controversial. The
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: History Channel withdrew the episodes in two thousand and four
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: after backlash, including a lawsuit by Malcolm Liggett was his brother,
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: I believe, who proved he was in California during the
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: time of the alleged events, who had never met Ruby,
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: and the photo was misidentified. The suit settled confidentially, so
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: no records like I mentioned before, placed Ligott at Parkland
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: Hospital working on JFK's body. Autopsy evidence supports the official
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: findings of lone gunman blah blah blah. In summary, while
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: Leggett led a troubled life marked by skilled mortuary work
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: and later violent crimes, his JFK connections remains a product
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: of conspiracy lore without empirical support. So with that, rob
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: Let's let's view the portion of the men who killed
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: Kennedy and I am going to possibly narrate this because
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: there is some background music and it is probably going
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: to get us flagged, But I'm going to try to
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: pause and stop as much as I can to make
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: sure that doesn't happen. But if it does, then it's
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: okay because we will.
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: Just go close caption and we can narrate.
• 47:02
  Speaker 7: Yeah, all right, it's the over under.
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: Joe's gonna fuck this up?
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, of course I am.
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: Oh, hold on, I sucked up. You're good. You're good.
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: You have to media share, not screen share.
• 47:52
  Speaker 8: Oh okay, Oh that's not letting the media shore.
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: But who.
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: What in the sam hades is going on here?
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: Skiffs abound?
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: Take two? Allegedly, I see you, James. There was more
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: about Grouty in the book The Loon Stars speaks. I
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: don't know how he's spoken, and the loon Star speaks
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: if he died in twenty ten. I'm pretty sure the
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: book came out after that. But maybe they had an
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: interview with him while you're still alive.
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: I don't have that book, all right, so I might.
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: Stop this or mute this, and I'm going to turn
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: on close captions here, which I think is on in English, and.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: Feel Kuild of Honor in Westland Cemetery, Dallas and the
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: burial site of a professional mortician, laid to rest here
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: by his colleagues on February seventeenth, nineteen seventy four. This
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: plaque marks the life of a mysterious man whose links
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: to the Kennedy assassination are only just beginning to emerge.
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: His name was John Liggett. He is remembered as a
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: highly skilled embalmer by a former friend and co worker,
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: Charles Smith.
• 49:51
  Speaker 9: If he'd had to build a lip or nose, or
• 49:54
  Speaker 9: build an orbit or ear here a wook all that
• 49:56
  Speaker 9: long during the reconstructive work of some one that had
• 50:00
  Speaker 9: been maybe shot in the face or alba rel accident.
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: He was the best.
• 50:05
  Speaker 9: He would tell you he was the best, and when
• 50:07
  Speaker 9: he finished it, he wanted the family tell him he
• 50:09
  Speaker 9: was the best.
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: Popular with his colleagues, he also had a secret life.
• 50:14
  Speaker 9: Three three days when John wire Collins say I need
• 50:16
  Speaker 9: to miss tonight, or I'm not going to be there,
• 50:18
  Speaker 9: or this happened quite a bit that John was. We
• 50:21
  Speaker 9: didn't know where John was, and I don't know that
• 50:23
  Speaker 9: management where he was. He would just call in and
• 50:25
  Speaker 9: say I kneed off. Never discussed who it was. We
• 50:29
  Speaker 9: had asked.
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: A lot of fellow workers would have wondered, why can
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: he be.
• 50:32
  Speaker 9: Gone to a three weeks come up back into easy
• 50:34
  Speaker 9: And we felt like if we were going off to
• 50:36
  Speaker 9: a three weeks.
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: L there's no use to coming back. Big City. John
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: Niggett is remembered by a former wife. Lewis married him
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: in Dallas after a whirlwind romance, only three months before
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: Kennedy's assassination.
• 51:00
  Speaker 10: John.
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: So he got married like in August of sixty three.
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: To this, she's a looker.
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I hope her her piano playing as a copyright.
• 51:15
  Speaker 10: Very charming person. And I found him to be very
• 51:20
  Speaker 10: attentive and considerate and pret prets free to me, and
• 51:27
  Speaker 10: I loved him and I fell.
• 51:28
  Speaker 9: In love with him.
• 51:30
  Speaker 11: John came into our lives less than a year after
• 51:32
  Speaker 11: our own father, Charles Goblin, had been killed in a
• 51:35
  Speaker 11: private plane crash, and John was not really welcomed by
• 51:39
  Speaker 11: my two older sisters and my brother and myself. We
• 51:43
  Speaker 11: were a family, and he had already made cover. And
• 51:46
  Speaker 11: that's what I've always said, is that we were convenient
• 51:49
  Speaker 11: cover for a man who needed that.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: On the day of the assassination, John was with Lewis.
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: And we talked about sorry, I JOI we talked about
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: Restland Funeral Home, which is where he was at the time.
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: At Wrestland attending the funeral service of her late aunt.
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: He was suddenly called from the graveside. John went to.
• 52:22
  Speaker 10: The office and came back very shortly and explained to
• 52:27
  Speaker 10: me that the President of the United States had been
• 52:31
  Speaker 10: shot and that he was called to go to Parkland Hospital.
• 52:38
  Speaker 10: I went home after the funeral, and it was about
• 52:42
  Speaker 10: two o'clock in the afternoon and John called me from Parkland.
• 52:48
  Speaker 10: I could hear the confusion in the background, and I
• 52:53
  Speaker 10: asked him what was going on. He said, the President
• 52:56
  Speaker 10: has died.
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: And I said, we'll do this.
• 53:00
  Speaker 10: Land get the job, and he said, no, some other
• 53:04
  Speaker 10: funeral home got the job. But he said, I've got
• 53:07
  Speaker 10: a lot of work to do. Don't try to call me.
• 53:12
  Speaker 10: I'll call you as soon as I can. And it
• 53:17
  Speaker 10: was about twenty four hours before I heard from him.
• 53:22
  Speaker 10: He came home and he walked in the door, and
• 53:27
  Speaker 10: when I saw him, he physically looked like he had
• 53:31
  Speaker 10: really been through a very traumatic experience. His clothes were disarrayed,
• 53:38
  Speaker 10: and that was so out of character for him.
• 53:41
  Speaker 11: He was obviously tired, very exhausted, but agitated and hyped
• 53:47
  Speaker 11: and for my mother that we would be leaving town,
• 53:50
  Speaker 11: that we had to get out of town.
• 53:52
  Speaker 10: I said, where are we going? And he said, We're
• 53:56
  Speaker 10: going to get out of town for a while until
• 53:59
  Speaker 10: all of this goes over.
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: That was a quote because I thought the flows over.
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: A high speed journey south took the perplexed family firstly
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: to Austin and then San Antonio. John made brief stops
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: on route to have huddled conversations with various contacts.
• 54:21
  Speaker 10: Throughout this journey, there were conversations that went on between
• 54:26
  Speaker 10: John and his relatives and friends that I did not
• 54:31
  Speaker 10: feel like I was privy to, that they knew something
• 54:37
  Speaker 10: I didn't know, and I didn't understand what was going on.
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: In the early hours of Sunday morning, November twenty fourth,
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: the family finally checked into a motel near Corpus Christie.
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: John had a further meeting, this time with his elder
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: brother Malcolm.
• 54:54
  Speaker 10: Here again, they had conversations that made me feel like
• 54:58
  Speaker 10: I didn't belong if they knew something I didn't know.
• 55:03
  Speaker 10: I don't know why we were there, but it seemed
• 55:07
  Speaker 10: to be very important to John that we were there.
• 55:11
  Speaker 11: I do recall it every time I would see John
• 55:13
  Speaker 11: in the room. There he was sitting on the end
• 55:15
  Speaker 11: of the bed watching the television and very intently watching
• 55:19
  Speaker 11: the news and chain smoking because he did chain smoking.
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: Was when John was nervous.
• 55:25
  Speaker 11: He had a little bit of a nervous tick in
• 55:26
  Speaker 11: his cheek, which I always knew that was that he
• 55:30
  Speaker 11: was a little nervous there.
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: That's when he's I'm a mute this part. That's when
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: he was a little nervous when he saw Oswald killed
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: by Jack Ruby. The minute he saw that, he looked
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: at me and said, everything's okay now, and you could
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: just see his face. He was like all the pressure
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: had been taken off of him all of a sudden.
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: He was like, sigh of relief. Let's go. We can
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: go home now. It was basically, pack your things, come home,
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: we're leaving, you know, now we go. We went back
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: to Dallas and everything went back to normal, as normal
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: as they think could be under those conditions of the
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: president's death. But their lifestyle changed after the assassination. John
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: seemed to come into a lot of money. The family
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: moved into a luxury home, and Legott became a big
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: time gambler and poker player. In Dallas.
• 56:45
  Speaker 10: Lifestyle from the moment John.
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: Kennedy was shot. What did you say anything?
• 56:55
  Speaker 4: No?
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: It was just.
• 57:00
  Speaker 10: One chaotic thing after another. Either the police were involved
• 57:04
  Speaker 10: in something he was doing, or his gambling was involved
• 57:09
  Speaker 10: in something he was doing.
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: It was just wail over my head.
• 57:15
  Speaker 10: The company he kipt, the people.
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: The pressure. It was just more than I could take.
• 57:25
  Speaker 11: There was an occasion that my sister Binny and my
• 57:28
  Speaker 11: mother both recall of a visit from one of John's
• 57:33
  Speaker 11: rather eccentric friends from New Orleans and.
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: He eccentric friends from New Orleans. Rob.
• 57:43
  Speaker 11: Yeah, it was a rather freakish character, and my sister
• 57:47
  Speaker 11: claims that we made merciless fun of him, the kids,
• 57:51
  Speaker 11: my brother, my sisters, because he was rather odd with
• 57:56
  Speaker 11: the painted on eyebrows in the wig. It's rather freaking
• 58:00
  Speaker 11: man John.
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: Of course they are referring to mister David Ferry here.
• 58:07
  Speaker 11: Well, I'm said to us that this was a friend
• 58:10
  Speaker 11: of his from the Civil Air Patrol, that they had
• 58:13
  Speaker 11: been in Civil Air Patrol together, and we believe this
• 58:17
  Speaker 11: was David Ferry.
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: David Ferry was a prime suspect in the nineteen sixty
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: seven Garrison investigation into Kennedy's assassination. He was found dead.
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: All right, I'm gonna I'm gonna kind of stop it there.
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: But thoughts, mister rob.
• 58:42
  Speaker 4: It's an interesting story.
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: It's an interesting story. I don't know if it's true.
• 58:49
  Speaker 4: Now when you put it up next to other things,
• 58:53
  Speaker 4: you know, there is there is a story of two
• 58:56
  Speaker 4: separate coffins arriving Beths the hospital. I mean, I even
• 59:02
  Speaker 4: interviewed the one dude who was on duty that night
• 59:08
  Speaker 4: who received probably JFK's real body out of a black
• 59:14
  Speaker 4: hearse that arrived about an hour or so before Bobby Kennedy,
• 59:22
  Speaker 4: Jackie Kennedy, you know, arrived in the gray ambulance in
• 59:28
  Speaker 4: the front. So I mean this to me, this guy
• 59:34
  Speaker 4: sounds like le c I, a spook who can disappear
• 59:41
  Speaker 4: when needed for two or three weeks, be allowed to
• 59:45
  Speaker 4: come back for work. He's an expert corpse reconstructor, you know, which,
• 59:53
  Speaker 4: which could help, of course with dead bodies. But imagine
• 59:56
  Speaker 4: what he could do with a living person, reconstructing their
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: facial features. Yeah, for purposes of hiding, creating a new
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 4: identity for people, things like that. So this is a
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 4: guy whose skills would have could have definitely been used
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 4: by the CIA.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: It could have been, for sure. I'm just landing on
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: the side of I'm not so sure about this story.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 4: Well, the kids talking about making fun of David Ferry,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 4: I mean, why would why would the kids make up
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 4: this story?
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: Well, this isn't what ninety three men cole Kennedy. I
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: don't know it would be weird. I mean, I guess,
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: I don't know. It just seems the story is a
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: little sus to me.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 4: Well, it gets susser. If you'd like me to continue
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 4: with the SKAFFOOSERI.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: I would love you to continue with the skaffosery as
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: a prime prime skaffusing myself. Yes, let me and show you.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 4: A story.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: Okay, I'm glad everyone that is catching this live over
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: fifty fifty six of you now I saw that because
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: I hope you don't get dinged for it.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 4: I tried to pause and if you're on the replaying,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 4: we had to take it out. Sorry. Yeah, google the
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 4: Man who Killed Kennedy part Yeah.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: Well, we're gonna put in the comments and I'll pin
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: it with the timestamp of where you can watch it fully.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 4: All right, Joe, I'm gonna show you a picture and
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 4: then I'm going to tell you a story.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: Oh I like pictures and stories.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 4: Okay, let's maximize this. Joe, tell me who the person
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 4: on the right is.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: That would be Lyndon Binges Big Dick Johnson.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 4: And who's the person on the left.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: I don't know. Is that like Billy Celesti's.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 4: No, look real closely, is that the same person is Lindy.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: Maybe at like an older age? Yeah, yeah, I could
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: see that at an old The nose, yeah, yeah, yeah, I.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 4: Mean the pant, the nose, the eyebrows, the facial creases
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 4: around the mouth, no, upper.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: Lip, yeah, the nose being the most notable feature.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And of course, well the hot tell you the
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 4: guy on the left is not Lyndon Baines Johnson. This
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 4: is Lyndon Baines Johnson's second cousin. His name is Jay
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 4: Burt Peck. Okay, yes, and he was a deputy sheriff
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 4: in Garland, Texas, just outside of Dallas, and also a
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 4: part time security for the Dallas Cowboys.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: Then time ago, and Peck, by the way, has an
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: interesting connection with Leggott.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 4: We'll get there. I don't, don't, don't, That's why.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: I made it. Vegue bro why I made it, Vegue,
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: I know where you're going.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 4: But in his spare time, he was also employed by
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 4: Lyndon Baines Johnson in a mostly still secret role as
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 4: Lyndon Johnson's body double, meaning he would act as Lyndon
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 4: Baines Johnson publicly as a body double.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 3: Right. I mean there definitely are body doubles. If you
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: go to Biden, remember the Biden that was like so tall.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean there's like different Biden's. You know, it's like.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: He was like six'.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 4: Five Even trump has body, DOUBLES i bet. Yeah but
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 4: this guy Was linden one Of Lyndon JOHNSON'S.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: I don't doubt it would be a good. One.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 4: Now In Lyndon Banks johnson's last year as, President Old
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 4: peck did some things that apparently greatly Embarrassed, johnson, okay
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 4: ultimately leading to Mister peck's death in nineteen sixty, nine
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 4: being shot in his own house allegedly by an, intruder
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 4: although it was deemed a. Suicide. Okay it all started
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 4: when a news item appeared in two national magazines announcing
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 4: That Lyndon johnson had a a man who was known
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 4: to have stood in For johnson on a number of
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 4: occasions When johnson wanted his presence known to have, existed
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 4: even though he needed to be someplace else at that
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 4: point in. Time peck made the mistake of making his
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 4: role public when he appeared On Johnny Carson's Tonight's show
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 4: to talk about his experiences as lbj's, double and again
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 4: when he appeared in the nineteen sixty eight Movie The
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 4: Wrecking crew Starring Dean, Martin Elk, summer And Sharon, tate
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 4: who would later be murdered, by of, course The Mason. Family.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah peck appeared in two scenes of the, movie Playing
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 4: President Lyndon Baines. Johnson one shot of him was taken
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 4: from the back and right side as he PLAYING, lbj
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 4: was told about some stolen gold. Bullion the second scene
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 4: showed him dancing around With Elk. Summer the fact that
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 4: these scenes were originally in the, movie as noted by
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 4: the news articles And peck's, obituary but were elited at
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 4: some later point Suggested johnson did not want it known
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 4: to the public that he had a double in such
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 4: a record that might become, permanent like a movie or
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 4: going On.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: Johnny Carson, yeah which seems ridiculous that he would do.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: That you.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 4: Think, Yeah, now for what it's, Worth this next bit
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 4: comes From billy So, estes so believe it or, Not
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 4: but according To billy So, Estes johnson Had peck stand
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 4: in for him on several, occasions including the evening Of
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 4: november twenty, one so he could go To Clint merchiston's,
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 4: party which the final go nod for the assassin assassination
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 4: would be given BY. Lbj he knew That peck would
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 4: only make a brief appearance at The Hotel Fort worth
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 4: to throw off reporters as to his, whereabouts while the
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 4: REAL lbj was really at The Clint murchison party finalizing
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 4: plans for the assassination the next. Day, right.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 11: What?
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: Evs, yeah that whole, party by the, way has a lot.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 7: Of a lot of that's a problems with.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 4: It, Yeah. No one thing you can't argue with is
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 4: a article that was In, People i'm, sorry in The
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 4: people section Of time magazine from The august, second nineteen
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 4: sixty eight. Edition, okay from that, article it says This
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 4: Dean martin And Elk summer have locked up star billing
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 4: In Columbia's new Matt helm, thriller yet one supporting role
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 4: was sure to set the audience. Buzzing that's when an
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 4: aid informs The president that thieves have made off with
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 4: one bill billion dollars in. Gold Bullyon, joe and there's
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 4: the OLD lbj listening to the bad. News old, Who,
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 4: well it's not quite the boss, himself, folks it's his
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 4: cousin to play the. President central casting TAP. Jb, peck
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 4: aged sixty, six Retired Dallas County Deputy sheriff Of, Garland
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 4: texas And lbjy's lookalike first cousin when it's actually his second.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 4: Cousin it's just a flash in his, pan and OLD.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 4: Jb peck got a kick out of it. All the same,
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 4: Week the following epsert came from an article From Newsweek
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 4: magazine Dated august, fifth sixty. Eight, quote it was a
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 4: toss up as to who revealed a fascinating profile when
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 4: they posed. Together Actress Elk summer or a Tall texan
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 4: who is making his movie debut With elk And Dean
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 4: martin in the Movie The Wrecking. Crew The neo fight
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 4: looks un candily Like Lyndon johnson and his cast in
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 4: a brief one thousand dollars role as an unnamed president
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 4: of The United. States but of course he looks just
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 4: like the current, President Lyndon Beane. Johnson, uh he, says
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 4: he just he played this one scene swiveling from back
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 4: to forth in a presidential chair to jolt the audience
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 4: with his seemingly familiar. Features who is? He A dallas
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 4: knight watchman and sometimes? Songwriter he wrote the Song Peter
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 4: Nally's RIVER.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: J.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 4: B peck sixty, six that's. Who my mother was A,
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 4: johnson And I'm lynden's second, cousin he, Said but the
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 4: relationship was news to The White, house, apparently emphasis, added
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 4: trying To johnson's. Denying and he even knew this motherfucker, existed, Right, okay.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 3: His second, Cousin, yeah, yeah. Okay so.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 4: Moving on a little, bit you might be saying to, Yourself, well,
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 4: folks what in the hell Does Lyndon johnson's look alike
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 4: second cousins stand in have to do with the two
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 4: morticians we're fucking talking about here. Tonight, Well i'm not
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 4: ready to tell. You be prepared to hold on to
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 4: your hats if you got them. Now Apparently Jay Burt
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 4: peck was not Just Lyndon johnson double not just a stand,
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 4: in not just A dallas hit, sheriff not just a
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 4: night watchman at The Cowboys. Stadium he was also a.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 4: KILLER a. Killer, Interesting, yeah let's See march twenty. Seventh
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 4: in seventy, Four Jay Burt's peck's, wife a lady by
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 4: the name Of Dorothy Dorothy, peck was attacked by the,
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 4: Mortician John. Liggett beaten with a, hammer, yes and left for,
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 4: Dead but she didn't die, Right he aired in not
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 4: double checking to be sure she was dead before starting
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 4: a fire under her bed with clothing that he had
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 4: stuffed under it and then running out the. Door dorothy
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 4: managed to regain consciousness and stumbled her way out of
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 4: the fire to a neighbor's house to call the fire
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 4: and police. Departments and she knew her, Attacker John Melvin,
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 4: liggett because he had accompanied her home from a bar
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 4: the night, before since she was able to wake up
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 4: and leave the burning bedroom to identify. Him John liggett
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 4: was arrested and subsequently investigated for several Other dallas area
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 4: murders involving similar arson attempts to destroy the evidence left
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 4: behind by the.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 3: Killer right hence his attempted murder. Charge.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Now liggott had worked at several other funeral homes
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 4: In dallas before he went to the Largest, wrestland which
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 4: we talked about here. Earlier Now wrestland was allegedly owned
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 4: by a member of The Texas. Mafia, Allegedly liggott had
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 4: become a highly skilled in the use of reconstructive techniques
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 4: to eliminate all signs of physical damage on corpses which
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 4: had been rudely, attacked horribly disfigured in automobile, accidents or
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 4: died by. Gunshots and he was considered the best in
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 4: the world by his colleagues in that particular segment of
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 4: the mortuary. Business so which we Heard Charles smith, say,
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 4: so if this guy is known in these, circles it's
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 4: not out of the realm of possibility that this is
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 4: the go to guy to alter wounds In JFK's, head
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 4: to reconstruct parts that should be blown, out and to
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 4: blow out parts that should be. Intact excuse. Me, apparently
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 4: Though lecott let a due. Life he married a woman
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 4: Named lois who we saw who said if he'd be
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 4: gone for days or weeks at a time without. Explanation
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 4: lois had children from her previous, marriage But john maintained
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 4: his distance from them during that, period and one of, Them,
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 4: deborah claims she had always suspected that he was merely
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 4: treating them as a cover to provide him with an
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 4: aura of being a plain average.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 3: Guy heard from her too as.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 4: Well, yeah now to, me this sounds like spook activity.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 3: Could.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 4: Be, yeah, WELL i, mean who else do you Know
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 4: joe just leaves for days or weeks at a time
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 4: and then comes back like everything's.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 3: NORMAL i, mean no.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 4: One but immediately After JFK's, Assassination ligott was called while
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 4: at work at. Wrestling he rushed To, parkland calling his
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 4: wife only wants to let her know that he'd been
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 4: asked to work on the president and that he would
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 4: call her and she shouldn't try to call, him which
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 4: we heard From, lois right, right excuse me, Now according
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 4: to Again BILLY sossi should take this for what it's.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 4: Worth liggott left wrestling with an assistant taking a body
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 4: that had been stored in the morgue that was similar
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 4: To JFK's body and prepared to look like a rear
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 4: headshot was the cause of. Death. As he stated that
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 4: the second body he was used to create false, evidence
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 4: and that, PHOTOGRAPHS x, rays and even complete brain from
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 4: that cadaver were substituted for JFK's autopsy records in order
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 4: to reframe documents to conform to the official. Story, moreover
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 4: he stated that all this was sent first to The
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 4: White house before being sent to THE, fbi The Warrant,
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 4: commission and The National. Archives, furthermore according To, estes the
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 4: other body was taken To washington on a private. Jet,
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 4: now if that story is, true it is a possible
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 4: explanation of the providence of the discrepancies that exist in
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 4: the photographs AND x rays which could have not been
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 4: taken Of kennedy's. Head, again that's a. Problem and we
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 4: know the medical evidence when it comes to THE x
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 4: rays and the, photographs and it's just a fucking shit,
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 4: show right, right the missing, brain all that, stuff Right,
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah so, yeah yo, too a story about coming back
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 4: On saturday, afternoon grabbing up the, family heading To, Austin San,
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 4: Antonio Corpus. Christi he even got a speeding ticket Between
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 4: dallas And. Austin and then you know they Watched Jack
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 4: ruby Shoot. Oswald he's very relieved after that everything's over,
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 4: now blah blah. Blah and at one of these, parties
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 4: the daughter Of Lois Deborah, godwin state of The David,
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 4: ferry who was a longtime acquaintance and short time handler
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 4: Of Lee Harvey oswald and the summer of sixty, three
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 4: appeared and That john said he had known him while
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 4: he served in The Civil Air. Patrol so, again this
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 4: is a possible link To David ferry's trip To. Texas
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 4: we know he went To Corpus, Christie so what the, hell,
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 4: man they were patrol.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 3: Together, yeah that connection is very. Weird and trying to
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 3: wrap my head around all THOSE.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 4: I mean when the kids described this guy and say
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 4: that they were making fun of him and that's why
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 4: they remember was painted on eyebrows and, SHIT i mean that's.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 4: HARDER i, mean that's hard to. Refute. Yeah, now according
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 4: to this, Author Phil, nelson again take it from what it's,
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 4: worth because he is A lbj guy did IT lbj
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 4: did it? Guy according to, him he doesn't cite. Anything excuse.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 4: Me before attempting to kill Missus peck in early nineteen seventy,
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 4: Four John leggott had killed several people In New, orleans
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 4: whom he felt new of his role in the. Assassination
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 4: among the other victims of The Demented mortician was a
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 4: forty one year old woman Named Susan, payne who he
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 4: had mistaken For Ruth, paint who had been found dead
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 4: in her fire Gutted North dallas apartment two weeks before
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 4: the attack On Dorothy. Peck she had only recently moved
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 4: To dallas From. California Miss payne's body had been sexually
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 4: abused and her body mutilated before the fire was, set
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 4: both Acts ligott had often adopted as his emodus.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 3: Operandi, yeah he liked to set people on.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 4: Fire liggott had a habit of hanging around The Duck
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 4: Creek lodge Or lounge In dallas after, work and he
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 4: would drink too. Much there he would become too talkative
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 4: about some of the jobs he'd done that later made
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 4: him become paranoid about what he had revealed to some,
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 4: people INCLUDING. A Lewis stratton And MARIE. I Mean, elliott
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 4: who were killed because they had the misfortune of listening
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 4: To liggott tell them too much while he was. Drunk
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 4: Miss elliott had previously worked at The Duck Creek, lounge
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 4: where she would have Known liggott and where she had
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 4: most likely been told too much by the Murderous Loose lip.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 4: Mortician by the time of their, deaths she had gone
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 4: to work For stratton at his bar and lounge And Oak.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 4: Cliff they were both sexually mutilated after they were dead
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 4: and the bar was set on fire.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 3: And bro that kind of makes sense if you think about,
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 3: it like if you're a, mortician like would it do
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 3: you maybe have a fetish for like recently deceased. Corpses,
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah i'm just, saying, like, Definitely. Joe i'm just say,
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 3: LIKE i, know not to get too.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 4: Graphic but now another possible victim Of, legates, possibly according
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 4: To Phil, nelson Is Roscoe, white a policeman who had
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 4: only obtained his position a few weeks before the. Assassination
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 4: now this next bit That i'm going to, Read joe
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 4: jumped out off the page to. Me AND i don't
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 4: know if it's true or, not.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 3: But hear the. Burial, no.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 4: This is What Phil nelson. Says before That Roscoe white
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 4: had worked at Jagger Childs. Stovevall Roscoe white had worked
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 4: At jagger's Child, stovevall which had contacts with THE Us
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 4: army to perform highly classified, work at which Somehow Lee
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 4: Harvey oswald had also obtained a. Job white's job there
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 4: involved map making and working with photographic, development which gave
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 4: him skills and retouching. Photographs the two had known each
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 4: other from their marine corps were tours In. Japan among
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 4: his photographic, achievements according to Researcher Stephen, peggs he was
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 4: a set of infamous photos ostensibly Showing oswald holding a
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 4: rifle and confusing Rival marxist Communist john on the, newspapers
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 4: taken in a. Backyard. Okay pigs asserted that the photographs
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 4: showed a bump on the figure's arm That oswald did not,
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 4: have But Roscoe white. Did, that together with many other
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 4: discrepancies identified by other, researchers conclusively proved that those photographs were,
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 4: fabricated apparently By Roscoe. White. Allegedly i'm not even going
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 4: to get into this badge man horseshit here uh or
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 4: the diary blah blah. Blah according To Tosh, plumbley again
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 4: a lot OF skaffuzeri here a, lot he. Says Roscoe
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 4: white was at The radar complex and jungle warfare training In,
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 4: honolulu and that's WHERE i first met him and WHEN
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 4: i met WHEN i say met, HIM i would have
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 4: never ever Picked Roscoe, white and my feelings is a
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 4: tragedy of what happened To Roscoe white's. Life he was an,
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 4: operative he was military. Intelligence, again this is coming From
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 4: Tosh plumbley right to take it with a grain of
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 4: salt right. Now his and With Roscoe, white his connections
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 4: to Both John liggett And Jack ruby And Lee Harvey
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 4: oswald Apparently Jack ruby the day Following JFK's assassination allegedly
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 4: AND i don't know where this this is coming, from
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 4: but H he's saying That Jack ruby Attended Roscoe white's
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 4: birthday party for their young Son ricky the day after the,
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 4: assassination together with the fact that they lived across the
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 4: street FROM. Jd, tippett puts him at the epicenter of
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 4: the preassassination. CONSPIRACY i don't know how much of that
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 4: sentence THAT i just read you was. TRUE i don't
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 4: Know Roscoe white lived across the street FROM.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: Jd.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 4: TIPPETT i, mean what the Fuck Jack ruby was At
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 4: Roscoe white's birthday party for the young, Son ricky the
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 4: day after the. ASSASSINATION i don't. Know, AGAIN i don't
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 4: know where all this shit's coming. From it should also
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 4: be noted That white died as a result of an industrial, accident,
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 4: which in light of the next possible victim in the following,
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 4: paragraph should not be discounted as being within the skill
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 4: set Of John. Liggett in the absence of full accounting
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 4: of the, incident it should at least be stipulated that
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 4: the victim's son is noted, above does not believe it
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 4: was an. Accident, again he's talking About Ricky white, there
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 4: not believing That Roscoe white's death was an accident which
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 4: he blew himself, up burned third degree burns over ninety
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 4: percent of his, body which, he of course he would
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 4: succumb to within a couple of days.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 3: Of the, accident and whose modus operandi was burning.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 4: People right, now the next alleged victim Of John. Liggott
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 4: you're gonna like this, One joe.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 3: AM.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 4: I another possible victim Of ligott Was Mary, Sherman, Yes,
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 4: yes which murder remains unsolved to this. Day one hundred
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 4: and seventeen page police report and seventy pages of case
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 4: files recently obtained BY nola dot. Com The Times pecune
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 4: paints only a picture of detectives tracking leads that went.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 4: Nowhere the report contains no smoking guns and no definite
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 4: suspect to the. Crime the article then stated that firefighters
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 4: hauled out a burning mattress and found the body of
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 4: Doctor Mary sherman lying face up on the. Floor she
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 4: was severely burned on her right. Side her, liver, intestines
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 4: and charred lung were. Exposed her right arm and right
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 4: torso were. Gone simply gone does not adequately describe the
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 4: very troubling mystery of her. Death so that's, Odd, OKAY i,
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 4: mean where this is some hindsight shit here right. Now,
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 4: now this is Totally Phil nelson's take on the death
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 4: Of John, ligott which you told us, about Right but
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 4: to dive a little bit more into the conspiracy theory
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 4: Surrounding ligot's, Death. Okay one of the most distinguished and
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 4: expensive criminal lawyers In, dallas a guy by the name
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 4: Of Charles, tesmer was recruited to Be John leggott's. Lawyer
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 4: it appears that he'd been selected by, others judging by
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 4: the kind of advice that he would go on to
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 4: give his. Client tesmer was described in a nineteen ninety
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 4: nine article In The Dallas observer as being the quote
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 4: don Of dallas criminal, lawyers and as having possessed the
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 4: stage presence of An, olivier the oratorical skills of A greek,
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 4: philosopher and the liver Of Nicholas cage and Leaving Las.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 4: Vegas he celebrated his wins by going on lengthy drinking.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 4: Binges and he was always, Winning, joe and he was
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 4: always buying the rounds as. Well he was good Time
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 4: charlie to his, friends and everyone was his, friend, right
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 4: good Time Charlie.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 3: Tesmer that's a great. NICKNAME i should call it good.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 3: Name Joe.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 4: Tesmer briefly considered Representing Jack ruby until he discussed it
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 4: with his good Friend Sheriff Bill, decker who told him
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 4: to stay away from that. One this might be a,
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 4: conspiracy according To Bill. Decker tesma Recalls decker saying those
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 4: are dangerous, people implicitly Meaning Lyndon johnson and his, cohorts
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 4: all of whom most people In dallas were, afraid probably
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 4: including many in The Dallas Police. Department the mayor And Henry,
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 4: wade the district attorney and clearly by his own omission
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 4: when then became Public Sheriff Bill. Decker perhaps he didn't
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 4: know of his connection back to the original murder when
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 4: he accepted the challenge of Defending John, liggett or maybe
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 4: he did in spite of that. Connection to help perform
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 4: a task and most defense lawyers would, avoid even if
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 4: paid very, well the esteemed lawyer paradoxically gave his, Client John,
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 4: liggott some strange and unusual. Advice he Prohibited liggott from
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 4: discussing the case with other prosecutors or police officers or
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 4: anyone else besides him for month after, month all While
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 4: liggott was being held pending a trial that kept being
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 4: rescheduled time after time and kicked down the road after
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 4: nearly a year of. Delays and when you, know they
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 4: didn't fuck around back in the, Sixties joe In texas
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 4: when it came to starting, trials look out, Quickly Jack
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 4: ruby's ass got on.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 3: Trial, yeah not like not like. Today, no it takes two. Years,
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 3: yeah it takes years to go to trial these.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 4: Days, Yeah, well back, then they didn't screw around so
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 4: forth to go for a year without a. Trial that's
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 4: a long time. Back, then after nearly a year of,
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 4: delays On Valentine's day in nineteen seventy, five from the
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 4: jail to another, Location john allegedly tried to escape and
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 4: was killed by a shot in the back by one
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 4: of the. Guards the term allegedly is used here to
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 4: convey the official, story even though there are a number
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 4: of unexplained holes in the. Story, first it appears That
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 4: ligott was given a key to use to slip the
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 4: handcuffs off his wrist before his escape.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 3: Attempt, yes he did get his. Handcuffs he did get
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 3: out of his.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 4: Handcuffs, yeah so he's saying they gave him a. Key.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 4: Okay both his wife at the, time as well as
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 4: his previous wife and her daughter have disputed those, assertions
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 4: though to the point that his ex wife suggested that
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 4: he wasn't killed at. All and here's where it gets. Weird,
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 4: yeah and then another body was substituted for his and
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 4: there's a reason for. That his wife at the time
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 4: he was, Killed, leona later stated that the body she
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 4: was asked to identify in nineteen seventy five As John
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 4: liggott was not her. Husband, Okay, yeah was it as brother.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 4: Well she said that the corpse had a mustache and
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 4: That ligott did not have a, mustache and that she
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 4: did not believe that he could have had one if he.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 4: Tried his ex daughter in law agreed with that, assessment
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 4: and his ex, Wife, lois who can be seen in
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 4: the video of the Minicat Kennedy part, seven was convinced
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 4: that she had Seen john in A Las vegas casino
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 4: some years after he was supposed to be.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 3: Dead, YEAH i believe it was The Horseshoe casino.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 4: Instead or, indeed he had previously worked in that casino
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 4: for several years In Las vegas and had remained well connected.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 4: There there were other discrepancies related to the death certificate
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 4: issue For John, liggett including the fact that he stated
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 4: that the shooting occurred on another street several hundred meters
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 4: from the place where he'd actually, died and that the
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 4: deputy shot him was not on the list of the sheriff's.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 4: Deputies it also indicated that he had died quote due
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 4: to an injury on the front of his thor, axe
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 4: even though he was shot in the back as he
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 4: was running. Away so there's a lot of skuffusery going
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 4: on with his death. Certificate another important piece of evidence
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 4: presented in the reference video as a, photograph according to Miss,
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 4: godwin Of John leggot's Brother malcolm standing next To Jack
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 4: ruby AND i believe you mentioned this That malcolm sued
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 4: the fuck out of the man who Killed kennedy over.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 10: This.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, malcolm further with stated was one of the People
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 4: john met on The Leggate strange ride Through texas in
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 4: the two days Following JFK's murder Before oswald was shot
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 4: on national television and the greatly Relieved liggott suddenly decided
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 4: it was okay to return To dallas after speaking To
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 4: Jack David. Ferry as a result of that scene where
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 4: the person in the photograph was identified as Being, malcolm
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 4: a lawsuit was brought by him against The History, channel
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 4: which claimed the accusations were false and that they had
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 4: never Met ruby and were in no way involved did
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 4: any conspiracy to assassinate. Anyone god damn. It it remained
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 4: unclear whether the lawsuit was only against The History, channel
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 4: and if. So while the former Missus John liggott and
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 4: her daughter were not named in the, suit it was
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 4: they who had the courage to go on a national
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 4: television and make the specific charges regarding having Seen Malcolm
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 4: liggett meet with her husband two days after the assassination
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 4: and who identified him in the photograph next To Jack.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 4: Ruby the photograph shown in the video about forty three
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 4: minutes into episode of seven certainly looks like the same,
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 4: man but then there are a lot of look, alikes
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 4: so we'll never know who that might have been if
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 4: it wasn't Mister. Liggett now wo we're getting into The
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 4: David ferry. Connection the evidence noted above of a close
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 4: connection Between liggott And, ferry the Alleged New orleans handler
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 4: Of Lee Harvey, oswald and extrapally leads one to ponder
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 4: Whether nigga's purported involvement in handling the reconstruction of JFK's
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 4: skull was directly connected to his longtime friendship with key
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 4: members of The New orleans Group Clay Shaw Bertrand slash
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 4: bertrand guide Banister David, ferry overseeing the details related to
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 4: the preparations for the. Assassination When oswald returned To New
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 4: orleans In april sixty, three he was immediately swept into
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 4: the nascent, conspiracy either through his previous association With ferry
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 4: or through his uncle Dutz, morett who was on the
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 4: payroll Of Carlos. Marcello and then we get into a
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 4: lot of skeffusery For Delphine, Roberts Johnny, Rosellie george jo
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 4: And EDI's Bill, Harvey Dave, brown you, know the whole.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 4: Crew but, YEAH i mean it gets, crazy, man it gets.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 3: Crazy it's a crazy. Story it's it's it's it's. Nuts
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 3: it's one of the craziest STORIES i think we've.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 4: Covered, yeah and of, course all of these alleged murders
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 4: by him are just that alleged. Allegations there's no proof of,
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 4: anything except FOR i, mean it's damn odd that he
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 4: tried to Kill Jay Burt peck's, wife the guy who
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 4: was impersonating.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 3: Uh i'll be.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 4: Ja, yeah that's, wild, MAN i mean, yeah connection and
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 4: And kelly planned it because, he you, know he made
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 4: it seem, like you, know they met at the bar
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 4: of the night before right where he got to know
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 4: her and went home with, her probably banging the ship
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 4: out of. Her and then the next night he come
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 4: back to killer you know WHAT i.
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 3: Mean, yeah it's.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 4: Wild it's.
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 3: Wild. Man dude has a had a crazy life and
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 3: was kind of LIKE i think it might have Been
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 3: Timothy ryan who said something like he was like the
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 3: person you would call when you wanted something, done kind
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 3: of off the books type of.
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 4: Thing so was he a freaking serial? Killer was he a?
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 4: Spook what was this? Guy was?
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 3: He what's the name of the people that start? FIRES
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 3: i like to start? Fires an?
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 4: Arsonists, yeah.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 3: An arsonist killer slash Sex, yeah person tiny said it.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 3: Earlier person that likes.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 4: To uh sexually mutilate their, victims like, yes but after.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 3: Death, Yeah i'm looking for like, yeah, yeah that's. What.
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 3: UH i don't, know, MAN i, mean, listen when you're
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 3: dealing with, like, uh these type of, people like they're, weird.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 5: You, know.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 4: More.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 3: AETICIANS i don't, know, Man it's not to ride the.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 3: Fence BUT i don't know what to think.
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 4: Here, yeah and, again most of WHAT i just read
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 4: you comes from very questionable, sources folks THAT i put
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 4: not much faith. In when we're talking About Phil nelson
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  Speaker 4: And Tosh plumbley and like. That, again nothing is cited
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  Speaker 4: in this. Article nothing is to be. CORROBORATED i, mean
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  Speaker 4: it's just it's all written to support the fact THAT
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  Speaker 4: lbj was the mastermind of the.
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  Speaker 12: Assassination but then then, again you also have not related
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  Speaker 12: to that what you just, said but his wife and,
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  Speaker 12: daughter you, know kind of corroborating it in a sense
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  Speaker 12: in terms of his.
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  Speaker 3: Craziness you. Know SO i don't, know, Man, yeah that's
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 3: what he always say.
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  Speaker 4: Right, Now but this one's a real head, Scratcher LIKE i,
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  Speaker 4: mean that dude certainly looks Like Lennon, johnson.
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  Speaker 3: Oh for, sure.
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  Speaker 2: You.
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  Speaker 4: Know and THEN lbj gets pissed at him for starting
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  Speaker 4: to talk, right and then all of a, sudden this
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  Speaker 4: guy turns up dead in nineteen sixty. Nine was it
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  Speaker 4: Mac wallace who killed? Him or was It John? Legott
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  Speaker 4: the world will never? Know or was he just an
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  Speaker 4: old fart who had a heart attack at the bad.
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  Speaker 4: Time oh that's, right he gunshot. Wound, sorry an alleged.
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  Speaker 4: Suicide alleged, suicide probably a. MURDER i, mean who, knows, Dude, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Who who the fuck?
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  Speaker 4: Knows BUT.
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  Speaker 3: I definitely find the first mortetician very. CREDIBLE I i
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  Speaker 3: do think they if they couldn't find a pomp, print
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  Speaker 3: they would have done. THIS kafuzeri and tried to get
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  Speaker 3: his handprint and put it on the rifle and blah
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  Speaker 3: blah blah blah like. That that's plausible to.
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  Speaker 4: Me, yeah like if you believe him AND i do,
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 4: that THE fbi showed up to fingerprint him and then
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 4: turns out the FBI's Lee. Harvey, also fingerprints aren't in
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 4: the record. Anywhere that's suspect for, sure because maybe their
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 4: little transfer scheme didn't work because they came back and
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  Speaker 4: said they couldn't find any fingerprints on the, rifle, Right
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  Speaker 4: so maybe they're a little you, know whatever plan they
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  Speaker 4: had to transfer the prince to the rifle.
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 3: Didn't, work, Right, yeah they had to go To PLAN. B,
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  Speaker 3: yeah or maybe.
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  Speaker 4: They simply wanted a set of their own because The
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  Speaker 4: dallas police wouldn't give them.
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  Speaker 3: Any that's possible.
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  Speaker 4: Too you, know much easier to go fingerprint a dead
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  Speaker 4: man than it is to track down His Marine corps fingerprint,
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  Speaker 4: card you know WHAT i, mean if you want it
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  Speaker 4: in a, hurry.
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  Speaker 3: Thank, You Sally, mortician.
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  Speaker 3: THEM i don't, KNOW i mispronounced it, somewhere BUT i
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  Speaker 3: always do. That so that's that's again part of the
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  Speaker 3: course from. Me but, yeah, man this was a fun.
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