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Bonus: Mysterious Crosby Cowboy, Robin Thicke Bank Robbery, and More · DISGRACELAND

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  Speaker 1: Hey Discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life?
• 0:05
  Speaker 1: Just a touch to get you through? Yeah, me too.
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  Speaker 1: This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome
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  Speaker 1: to Disgraceland, the after party. Some random thoughts on music, murder,
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  Speaker 1: and movies for the week of September 17th, 2026. David Crosby,
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  Speaker 1: the subject of this week's full episode of Disgraceland, is
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  Speaker 1: one of my least favorite characters from music history, but
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  Speaker 1: that doesn't make him any less interesting. My disdain for
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  Speaker 1: Crosby isn't because of the music he made, though even
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  Speaker 1: as I can recognize The Brilliance of the Birds or Crosby, Stills,
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  Speaker 1: Nash & Young, It's not like I'm a massive fan
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  Speaker 1: of either group. But again, my dislike of Crosby as
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  Speaker 1: a character doesn't have much to do with his music.
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  Speaker 1: It's because whenever he's popped up in my research, he
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  Speaker 1: just always seems to come off as an asshole. The
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  Speaker 1: first taste I got of this was when I was
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  Speaker 1: researching my John Denver episode, and Denver was part of
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  Speaker 1: the California folk scene in the mid-60s when the birds
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  Speaker 1: really started to happen. And Crosby, from my research, not
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  Speaker 1: only demonstrated this kind of staggering arrogance, but he also
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  Speaker 1: didn't seem to have a sense of humor about much.
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  Speaker 1: And when you're an arrogant asshole, like I say, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, like someone like Liam Gallagher or someone, having
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  Speaker 1: a sense of humor goes a long way in not
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  Speaker 1: only making your behavior somewhat acceptable, but also entertaining. And
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  Speaker 1: David Crosby didn't seem to understand that or care, at
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  Speaker 1: least not from the research that I came up with.
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  Speaker 1: Then there's this side of Crosby that stands in contrast
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  Speaker 1: to his image. The gun-toting, free-basing lunatic doesn't exactly jive
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  Speaker 1: with all that late 60s, early 70s peace and love
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  Speaker 1: and all those vibes that Crosby and his group seem
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  Speaker 1: to serve as avatars for. Now this, this contrast interested me.
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  Speaker 1: That picture of David Crosby by Henry Diltz, uh, The
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  Speaker 1: one with the gun, the sort of makeshift gun that
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  Speaker 1: he's holding to his head. He's got the long hair.
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  Speaker 1: He's got the mustache. Looks like a biker extra from
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  Speaker 1: Easy Rider or someone you'd run into, a villain you'd
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  Speaker 1: run into perhaps in a Sam Peckinpah movie. Maybe one
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  Speaker 1: from an old Western, something like that, a saloon bad guy.
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  Speaker 1: Not a hippie. He looks like a character from a
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  Speaker 1: murder ballad or something. This is what I was thinking
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  Speaker 1: about this morning when I was thinking about David Crosby.
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  Speaker 1: Because as you all know, I'm obsessed with murder ballads.
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  Speaker 1: So I started digging around a little and no real
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  Speaker 1: juice there regarding David Crosby and murder ballads. But there
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  Speaker 1: is some interesting Crosby true crime information that wasn't part
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  Speaker 1: of our story this week. You might remember from our
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  Speaker 1: Cass Elliott episodes where we explored– The Manson Helter Skelter story,
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  Speaker 1: there is a character from those episodes that I refer
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  Speaker 1: to as Cowboy. Now, Cowboy was a fictional name that
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  Speaker 1: I gave to a real life character who's still alive
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  Speaker 1: and who was at some point very dangerous. And I'm
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  Speaker 1: not going to reveal Cowboy's real name here, but in
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  Speaker 1: Tom O'Neill's book, Chaos, Cowboy is one of these shadowy
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  Speaker 1: ex-CIA government military turned mercenary types who wormed his way
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  Speaker 1: into the hippie Hollywood hills of and the canyon scene,
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  Speaker 1: and who potentially had something to do with the events
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  Speaker 1: that inspired the Manson murders. Now, I'm not going to
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  Speaker 1: go into all that right now because it's too big
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  Speaker 1: of a diversion, but you just check out those episodes
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  Speaker 1: if you want to learn more. That's not the point.
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  Speaker 1: The point is that in Chaos, Tom O'Neill says that
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  Speaker 1: the cowboy character, again, I'm using a fake name here
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  Speaker 1: because the dude is still alive. O'Neill uses his real
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  Speaker 1: name though, And apparently because he's less afraid of dying
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  Speaker 1: than I am or whatever. But O'Neill says in his
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  Speaker 1: book that this dude, among other things, taught David Crosby
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  Speaker 1: how to shoot. Which, when I read that, I just
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  Speaker 1: stopped right in my tracks. David Crosby, hippie icon, was
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  Speaker 1: taught by some dude, some ex-CIA murderous military operative, how
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  Speaker 1: to shoot. This is what I love. Rock and roll
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  Speaker 1: is fucking so weird. It is so twisted, the history
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  Speaker 1: of music, the history of rock and roll, the history
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  Speaker 1: of pop music. Somehow this Crosby, this true crime string
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  Speaker 1: that I was pulling on, it led me to these
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  Speaker 1: incredible Lil Wayne lyrics. Don't ask me how. The lyrics
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  Speaker 1: for a song called Shooter from the album The Carter 2.
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  Speaker 1: The song features Kirk Cameron's TV dad's son, Robin Thicke,
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  Speaker 1: on this Lil Wayne track. Now, why does this Lil
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  Speaker 1: Wayne song feature Robin Thicke? Well, this is where it
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  Speaker 1: gets interesting and true crime-y. Shooter by Lil Wayne is
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  Speaker 1: a remake of Robin Thicke's song Oh Shooter, which is
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  Speaker 1: a song Thicke wrote to detail The bank robbery that
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  Speaker 1: he was caught up in. Yes, Robin Thicke was caught
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  Speaker 1: up in a bank robbery when he was 18 years old. Now,
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  Speaker 1: talk about the counterpoint that we were discussing with David
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  Speaker 1: Crosby earlier. This is extreme counterpoint. You don't think of Mr.
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  Speaker 1: Blurred Lines himself, Mr. Growing Pains Offspring. as being caught
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  Speaker 1: up in a real-life bank robbery. This story is very
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  Speaker 1: interesting to me. It's very fascinating. Zeth and I are
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  Speaker 1: going to be revealing what went down, exactly how Robin
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  Speaker 1: Thicke was involved in a bank robbery at 18 in
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  Speaker 1: the exclusive section of this bonus episode coming up later
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  Speaker 1: in the show. You're going to be an All Access member. Though,
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: David Crosby in the feed this week. Our latest... full
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  Speaker 1: episode of Disgraceland on David Crosby. Check that out if
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  Speaker 1: you have not already. Now, David Crosby was a musician
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  Speaker 1: who you did not fuck with, all right? Not only
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  Speaker 1: did he carry a gun everywhere he went, but he
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  Speaker 1: was not afraid to use it either, okay? After the
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  Speaker 1: Manson murders, everyone in the And so one night when
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  Speaker 1: Crosby was asleep with one of his many guns on
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  Speaker 1: his nightstand, he woke up to the sound of breaking glass.
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  Speaker 1: And when he saw the man in a ski mask
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  Speaker 1: knocking out his window with the butt of a revolver,
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  Speaker 1: David Crosby sprung into action and grabbed the Colt 45
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  Speaker 1: that was next to him and fired at the masked man.
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  Speaker 1: And he missed. And he then saw that there were
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  Speaker 1: more of these dudes in his house. Without hesitation, Crosby
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  Speaker 1: sprinted across broken glass on the floor and His bare
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  Speaker 1: feet got all bloodied. He chased these dudes out. His
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  Speaker 1: pregnant girlfriend at the time, Debbie, grabbed a shotgun. And
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  Speaker 1: the masked gunman freaked out and headed for the hills. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: you did not fuck with David Crosby. You would not
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  Speaker 1: think this from the birds. You would not think this
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  Speaker 1: from Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young. So this is the
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  Speaker 1: David Crosby that we're giving to you in the new
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  Speaker 1: episode this week. If you haven't heard it, we highly
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  Speaker 1: recommend you check it out. Especially if you're like me,
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  Speaker 1: you grew up in the punk scene, you grew up
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  Speaker 1: in hardcore, you hear Crosby, Stills, Nash, and whoever the fuck,
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  Speaker 1: and you're like, whatever, man, this ain't for me. Crosby
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  Speaker 1: was a different cat. And very interesting, despite what I
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  Speaker 1: might think of him. Coming up next in your feed,
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  Speaker 1: right after this episode, in our Rewind episode this Sunday,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to have our archive episode on Travis Scott
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  Speaker 1: in Astroworld. Now, no one wants to admit they played
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  Speaker 1: a part in creating a monster, especially one that takes
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  Speaker 1: the lives of 10 innocent people. But in 2023, Travis
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  Speaker 1: Scott sat in a room in Houston where he was
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  Speaker 1: grilled for eight hours. by authorities. A Texas grand jury
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  Speaker 1: had declined to indict him on criminal charges, but 387
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  Speaker 1: lawsuits were brought against Travis Scott and against Live Nation
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  Speaker 1: Entertainment and various subcontractors. Travis Scott was being accused of
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  Speaker 1: negligence and inciting dangerous behavior related to the 10 deaths
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  Speaker 1: at Astroland. Travis Scott maintained his innocence. He said he
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  Speaker 1: didn't know how bad it got out there in the crowd.
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  Speaker 1: But he did admit that someone spoke to him during
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  Speaker 1: his performance shortly before 10 p.m., right around the time
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  Speaker 1: that Drake had joined him on stage. A voice came
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  Speaker 1: through his ear monitor and said, yo, Trav, you got
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  Speaker 1: to wrap it up. It's getting kind of hectic out there.
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  Speaker 1: The voice did not say people are getting crushed, stop
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  Speaker 1: the show. It didn't say people can't breathe, they're passing out.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't say they're dying. It just said it's getting
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  Speaker 1: kind of hectic out there. And so Travis Scott wrapped
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  Speaker 1: it up. But he didn't wrap it up for about
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  Speaker 1: another 14 minutes after that, roughly. This amount of time,
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  Speaker 1: 14 minutes, give or take, is important. Because there was
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  Speaker 1: a stipulation in Travis's contract that said he had to
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  Speaker 1: complete his set as planned in order to earn a
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  Speaker 1: $ 4. 5 million performance fee for the live stream of that
• 9:17
  Speaker 1: night's concert. In other words, if Travis Scott stopped his
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  Speaker 1: Astroworld performance, a performance where 10 people were killed, if
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  Speaker 1: he stopped playing, he stood to lose millions of dollars. Now,
• 9:29
  Speaker 1: if you want to know how close Travis Scott came
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  Speaker 1: to being held criminally responsible for Astroworld and the deaths
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  Speaker 1: of 10 people and how a festival built by a
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  Speaker 1: hometown hero fell apart and became one of the deadliest
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  Speaker 1: nights in recent concert history, then you got to check
• 9:40
  Speaker 1: out this Rewind episode of Disgraceland. Bobby Fuller was about
• 9:44
  Speaker 1: to be the next Phil Spector, but then his mother
• 9:47
  Speaker 1: found him dead in the front seat of her Oldsmobile. Now,
• 9:50
  Speaker 1: the LAPD will tell you that Bobby Fuller's death is unsolvable,
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  Speaker 1: but they never dusted for fingerprints. They never fully investigated
• 10:00
  Speaker 1: the many angles that showed that there was much more
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  Speaker 1: at play here with this crime. Like, why was Bobby
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  Speaker 1: Fuller covered in gasoline? Why was he missing an eyelid?
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  Speaker 1: Why was his finger bent back and broken? He was
• 10:14
  Speaker 1: clearly injured. beaten. So why was this death ruled unsolvable?
• 10:19
  Speaker 1: And what was the connection between Bobby Fuller and the
• 10:23
  Speaker 1: Genovese crime family and the Genovese crime family and Bobby
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  Speaker 1: Fuller's record label, Delphi Records, the same record label that
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  Speaker 1: had a million dollar insurance policy on Bobby Fuller. So
• 10:34
  Speaker 1: who killed Bobby Fuller? We know exactly who and we
• 10:38
  Speaker 1: know why. And you're going to find out in the
• 10:40
  Speaker 1: next episode of Disgrace. And that's coming next week, our
• 10:43
  Speaker 1: next new episode. of Disgraceland on Bobby Fuller right after
• 10:48
  Speaker 1: the Astroworld episode. When you're listening to our Bobby Fuller story,
• 10:53
  Speaker 1: be thinking about who benefited most from Bobby Fuller's death.
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  Speaker 1: Let us know who you think killed Bobby Fuller. Let
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  Speaker 1: us know if you think I got it nailed down.
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  Speaker 1: I'm pretty confident in our angle on this story, but
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  Speaker 1: I want to know what you think after you hear it.
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  Speaker 1: Give us a call at 617-906-6638 with your answers. And
• 11:10
  Speaker 1: you might hear yourself in next week's after party bonus episode.
• 11:14
  Speaker 1: All right, discos, we've got a lot coming your way,
• 11:16
  Speaker 1: covering a lot more in this episode, your DMs, your voicemails,
• 11:22
  Speaker 1: your texts, your answers to last week's question of the
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  Speaker 1: week coming up right after this. All right, guys, we
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  Speaker 1: are back.
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  Speaker 3: 617-906-6638.
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  Speaker 1: We're talking David Crosby. We're talking supergroups. We're talking all
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  Speaker 1: kinds of stuff. Let's go to John in the 805. Hey, Jake.
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  Speaker 2: This is John from the 805 here in Pismo Beach, California.
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  Speaker 2: David Crosby actually lived right down the freeway in San
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  Speaker 2: Ynez the last probably 20 years of his life because
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  Speaker 2: it makes sense. Over the hill at Santa Barbara Marina.
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  Speaker 2: where it's full of sailboats. So anyways, David Crosby once
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  Speaker 2: said that the greatest harmonies in a band was the
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  Speaker 2: band Venice from Venice, California. Look them up. Again, Venice
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  Speaker 2: from Venice, California. You would know their voices separately in
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  Speaker 2: all kinds of recordings, but together their band Venice is
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  Speaker 2: kind of unknown to people outside of California.
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  Speaker 4: Have a great one.
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  Speaker 2: Keep it up.
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  Speaker 4: Love the stuff. Thank you so much.
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  Speaker 1: John, thanks for the call, man. I've never heard of Venice,
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  Speaker 1: the group, ever. Harmony Singers, nope, got nothing. This is awesome.
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  Speaker 1: It's rare that this happens, so I appreciate it. I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to check them out. I'll get back to you,
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  Speaker 1: let you know what I think. Appreciate the call, John.
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  Speaker 1: We had our Blink 182 episode at the top of
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  Speaker 1: the feed earlier this week, Sunday, in our rewind slot.
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  Speaker 1: This message comes from the 530. Hey, Jake.
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  Speaker 4: Just calling in about the whole alien thing. This is
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  Speaker 4: why I need a disclosure to happen because when I
• 13:09
  Speaker 4: was like 13, so maybe like 2003, yeah, me and
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  Speaker 4: my friend saw an alien standing at the edge of
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  Speaker 4: the woods when he was walking me home. This is
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  Speaker 4: Lake Tahoe in the wintertime, like five feet of snow
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  Speaker 4: on the ground. It was probably like 50 feet away,
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  Speaker 4: but we froze. It froze and we stared each other
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  Speaker 4: down for like what felt like forever. And then it
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  Speaker 4: eventually just turned and walked away back into the darkness
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  Speaker 4: of the woods. There's like 18 miles of forest behind
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  Speaker 4: my house. And we hauled the ass back to my house.
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  Speaker 4: My friend's mom came and picked him up. we never
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  Speaker 4: really talked about it much again. I think we just
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  Speaker 4: both were just so baffled, but also like, who the
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  Speaker 4: fuck do you tell? You know?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's so convenient the way that it looked
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  Speaker 3: because I mean, just classic alien shape, probably close to
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  Speaker 3: seven feet tall.
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  Speaker 4: Like I was looking for seams to see if it
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  Speaker 4: was a costume. Couldn't see anything. I had like 2018
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  Speaker 4: vision at the time. So really good vision. I was,
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  Speaker 4: blown away. I'm not really a person who is like
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  Speaker 4: super into that stuff. So it also was really frustrating
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  Speaker 4: to me that I saw something that's like, man, did
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  Speaker 4: I have to see that? Now I know.
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  Speaker 3: But, you know, people can think what they want.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know what to say. That's all. But take
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  Speaker 4: care and just, yeah, know that they're out there.
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  Speaker 2: Stay out of the woods, maybe.
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  Speaker 1: 530, stay out of the woods. Appreciate your call. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's wild. It's wild that you say It's not so
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  Speaker 1: much wow that you say that you saw this. To me,
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  Speaker 1: it's more interesting when you talk about how you and
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  Speaker 1: your friend didn't really discuss this much. I've seen things
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  Speaker 1: in my life that I'm hesitant to talk about. And
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  Speaker 1: I saw this thing with my mom when I was younger.
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  Speaker 1: And it was so scary that the two of us,
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  Speaker 1: up until probably the last couple of years, up until honestly,
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  Speaker 1: I got into researching the Tom DeLonge thing. We never
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  Speaker 1: talked about it. It was just a thing that was there.
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  Speaker 1: And the more time passed on and the more time
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  Speaker 1: there was between the present and that event back when
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  Speaker 1: I was probably five years old, the more incredible and
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  Speaker 1: unreal it seemed. So it became even less likely to
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: be spoken about. But when I got into, again, this
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: whole research around Tom DeLonge, I read a book, a
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: great book that I highly recommend called American Cosmos by–
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: Diane Pasulka, P-A-S-U-L-K-A. And she talks about how– she's an
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: academic and she's a scholar and she's not one of
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: these people who have made their lives sort of in
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: the disclosure slash UFO, UAP industry. It's a scholarly book
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  Speaker 1: and she talks about how media has been designed perhaps–
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  Speaker 1: This is a theory of hers over the last 50
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: or so years or since Roswell, really, to discredit anyone
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  Speaker 1: who thinks they may have seen something. And I know
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  Speaker 1: that sounds like, yeah, no, duh. But the way she
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: unpacks it, when you really get into it, you start
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  Speaker 1: to really kind of question the validity around the doubters.
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  Speaker 1: Not so much questioning the validity around people who have
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  Speaker 1: experienced things like yourself. Fascinating call, 530. I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 1: Got a bunch on super group stuff. I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: get into more of that. This one comes from, where
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  Speaker 1: are we going here? Oh, 781, back in Massachusetts. Let's
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: go to the 781.
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  Speaker 5: Jake, it's Frank from the 781. Love the podcast. I
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  Speaker 5: think I've listened to every episode, especially when I'm walking
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  Speaker 5: my dog. But the question about the greatest super groups
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  Speaker 5: of all time, I just had to mention The Black
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  Speaker 5: Crows with Jimmy Page at The Greek, one of the
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  Speaker 5: greatest shows of all time, and one that the only
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  Speaker 5: band that could pull off a Led Zeppelin-style tribute concert
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  Speaker 5: would be Chris Robinson and the Black Crows. So that's
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  Speaker 5: my vote, man. Talk to you soon. Take care.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that ended up being a super group call. And Frank,
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: I am absolutely here for it. I love this album.
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  Speaker 1: I have a copy of it on vinyl. I've been
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: into it since it came out. I know people, though,
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  Speaker 1: who hate this record, who hate this collaboration. Friends of
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: mine with great... Great music tastes. These cannot get into it,
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: but I am absolutely here for it. It's fucking unbelievably great.
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  Speaker 1: It rocks. I'm actually going to listen to it today, Frank.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for reminding me. And, you know, you might think, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Black Crowes, Chris Robinson's kind of like a Rod Stewart,
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: Mick Jagger kind of take on things. What's he doing
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: fucking around with Led Zeppelin? But I'm just telling you, like,
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  Speaker 1: Jimmy Page is on stage with them by choice. And
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  Speaker 1: this thing cooks. It cooks all the way through. Fantastic album, Frank.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for reminding me of it. More Supergroup talk a
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  Speaker 1: la David Crosby. This one comes from the 909.
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  Speaker 2: Jake, my favorite Supergroup is a band that never recorded,
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  Speaker 2: and they only played together one time, the Dirty Mac.
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  Speaker 3: You should look them up.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for the great show, Rockarola.
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  Speaker 1: All right, 909. Very familiar with the Dirty Mac from
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  Speaker 1: Rock and Roll Circus, the Rolling Stones movie. This is
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  Speaker 1: John Lennon, Eric Clapton, Keith Richards on bass, Keith Moon
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  Speaker 1: on drums, correct? Is that right? Keith Moon on drums? No,
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  Speaker 1: Mitch Mitchell. I was wrong about that. Okay. So yeah,
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: it's fantastic. And what do they play? Your Blues? Is
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: that the song they go through? I believe it is.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: Beatles song, John Lennon song. So I guess they didn't
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: record on album, but they do have that live thing
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: there from Rock and Roll Circus. There's a friend of
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: mine recorded Elliot Smith there toward the end of his
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: life doing a version of this song with John Spencer
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: Blues Explosion backing him up, which I don't know that
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: that's ever seen the light of day, but it was
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: sort of his tribute to the Dirty Mac. Appreciate you, 909.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Great super group. Great super group. Suggestion.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: 714 got another Dirty Mac wreck from the 714. 619
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: texts in, hey, I have to go with Cream for
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: a super group. I know it's the obvious choice. I'm
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: aware that you don't have much love for Eric Clapton,
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: but the band's brief run is undeniable and Ginger Baker
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: is slash was. an absolute maniac and a true master
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: of playing the drums. Guy had the respect of jazz
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: legends like Art Blakey, Max Roach, and Elvin Jones. Not bad.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: You're absolutely right. I'm not going to deny Cream's awesomeness.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: Sean from Cleveland writes in, hey, for the question of
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: the week, all-star lineups, I have to go with Traveling Wilburys. Yeah,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: you're absolutely right, Sean. This has got to be– I
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: don't even think of them as a super group because
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: they're just– I don't know. They're their own thing. They're
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: singular almost in a way. The Traveling Wilburys, Sean goes
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: on to say you have a Beatle, a Rock Pioneer,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Bob Dylan, Tom Petty, Velvet Revolver. Even though it was
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: a disaster, you have one of the top vocalists in
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: rock and one of the best guitar drummers of all time. Finally,
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: Derek and the Dominoes, Eric Clapton. Already famous for being
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: in two famous rock bands, The Yardbirds and Cream, Dwayne
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: Allman and Jim Gordon as well. You're absolutely right. Clapton
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: just always seemed like a guy who wanted to join
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: a band, man. Just wanted to be in a band.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: He didn't want the burden of being, you know, Clapton
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: has got. He's kind of always on the hunt. Wanted
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: to be in the band, like the actual band, that
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: whole thing. Susan and Ron in the 615 write in, Supergroups,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: Hubby and I had to debate this one. My first choice,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: The Firm, Hubby's choice, Damn Yankees. But after much debate,
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: we went with Cream or the Traveling Wilburys. Susan, let
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: your hubby know that The Firm was the first real
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: concert I saw. I'd seen the Ramones in a club
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: prior to this, but The Firm, I saw at the
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: Worcester Centrum in the fifth grade. My dad took me.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: Jimmy Page up there on stage. Not bad. I was
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: blown away. The light show was fucking mind-blowing. GW in
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: the 250. Hey, Jay, considering famous supergroups, mine has to
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: be them crooked vultures. Only one album run, but damn,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: Josh Homey, Dave Grohl, and John Paul Jones made some
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: good music. They absolutely did. You're absolutely right. Beck's checking
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: in from the 410. Her recommendation on a super group,
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: The Highway Women with Brandi Carlile, Natalie Hemby, Maren Morris,
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: and Amanda Shires. Thanks for all the different takes on biopics.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: Always learning something new here. You got it. You got it, Beck's.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: CC in the 585 writes in, hey, repping the 303
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: from the 585. So a well-known super group, not so
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: well-known super group, excuse me, that CC's writing us about
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: is Oysterhead, Trey Anastasio, Phish on guitar, Les Claypool from
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: Primus on bass, and Stuart Copeland from The Police on drums.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: They only toured in 2001. but they made a few
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: of those shows and they were worth it, especially at
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: the Roseland Ballroom. Love the new season. Can't believe I
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: get to say, go Bills. Rock and roll, CC. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: Go Bills. We'll see you in January there, CC. I
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: like our chances, despite our awful first game out in Seattle.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: So listen, guys, be like the rest of your discos here.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Get at me next week. Voicemail and text I want
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: to know who you think killed Bobby Fuller. Am I
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: circling the drain, as they say? Okay? Is that what
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: they say? I feel like I'm fucking up my analogy there.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Do I have it nailed down? I think I do.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: It's one of rock and roll's greatest music mysteries, and
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: with all humility, I think I got it figured out.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of people had it figured out.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: They're just afraid to say it. But it's there. You're
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: going to hear it. Soon you're going to even see it.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: Here's a little hint for you.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: What else? You might want to just talk about murder
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: mysteries in music, music mysteries in general. I'm here for
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: those questions as well. You want to broaden the mystery
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: of music history beyond the Bobby Fuller of it all,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: give me a call. I'm here for it. 617-906-6638, voicemail
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: and text. Now, since about the 1990s, home recording has
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: been an acceptable form of music making in the music industry.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: And nowadays, most artists take advantage of modern technology to
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: record from the comfort of their home studios, even from
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: their bedrooms. But one of the first musicians to do
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: this did so way back in 1961 with a song
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: you've heard a million times. I Fought the Law by
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Bobby Fuller. And back in the early 60s, Bobby Fuller
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: didn't have the benefit of modern technology that makes home
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: recording so easy. Bobby Fuller from El Paso, Texas, wanted
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: to be the next Buddy Holly, so he started out
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: recording music the only way he could, in his bedroom.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: And he then turned his parents' modest suburban home into
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: his own recording studio, complete with his own custom echo chamber.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: Bobby also cut a hole in his parents' living room
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: wall so that he could see through from the makeshift
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: studio control room into the makeshift studio live room. Bobby
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Fuller cut the original version of I Fought the Law
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: in a home studio that he built in his parents'
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: house long before home recording was accepted in the music industry. Now,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: this song, led to Bobby getting a break out in Hollywood.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: And that, of course, led to one of the most
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: mysterious deaths in music history, the unsolved death of Bobby Fuller.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: And it all started back with that home recording. And
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: you're going to hear about all of this in the
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: next full episode of Disgraceland, coming your way next week,
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: right after our rewind on, what are we talking about? Astroworld.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: All right, take a quick break. Back in a flash.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: All right, guys, disgracelandpod at gmail.com. Let's get into your
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: emails straight away. This one comes from D in the 613. Hey,
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: apparently not everyone considers them a super group, but non-Soundgarden
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: guys were in Mother Love Bone before Pearl Jam was
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: even a thing. So I'm going with Temple of the Dog.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: I'm a huge Chris Cornell fan, and this album has
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: some of his best vocal work. The song's a raw, powerful,
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: and haunting hunger strike. It's my favorite song of all time.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: And it still gives me chills whenever I listen to it.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Love the pod. D from the 613. D, appreciate you.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: I love Chris Cornell. I miss him. I miss him.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: I've been listening a lot lately. I've been listening to
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: the first Soundgarden album, the SST record, Big Dumb Sex.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: That song is just incredible. Incredible. Came up in the
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Reggie Watts research that I'm doing. And just awesome. You
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: guys love talking supergroups. This one comes from Matt in
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: the 204. Hey, in reply to your question on best supergroups,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: I would suggest Me First and the Gimme Gimmes with
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: members from Lagwagon, Rocket from the Crypt, Bad Religion, Foo Fighters, Ramones,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: and No Effects, just to name a few. Really legendary
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: punk rock supergroup. Although all of their music are cover
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: songs in different genres, to me, they are undeniably original
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: and unique. Thanks for all the great work. Keep fit
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: and have fun. You got it, Matt. This was Shiflet's band, right?
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: From Foo Fighters? I think it was. And Rocket from
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: the Crip, man. Thanks for mentioning them. One of the
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: best live shows I've ever seen. Just unbelievable. Middle East, downstairs. Mind-blowing. Mind-blowing. Matt,
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: are you a Drive Like Jehu fan? Hit me up.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: What's better? Yank Crime or what was the other one?
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: One and Two. I could never remember. I could never
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: decide which album I liked better, the first or the second.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: And I always was a drive like Jehu over Rocket
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: from the Crypt guy. But then I switched. Now I'm
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: a Rocket from the Crypt guy. I don't know. That's
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: just me. Time. Time changes us. That's what I'm saying, Matt.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: You know who's not changed by time? John Cusack. No,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: I kid. He is. But John Cusack is unbelievable. And
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: we unpacked a lot about ourselves in the recording of
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: our current This Film Should Be Played Loud that's on grosspointblank.com.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: I realized that my young adulthood, my early 20s, I
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: was really just mirroring John Cusack roles. Seth and I
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: get into that in this film, Should We Play Loud?
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: I can't wait for you guys to see this new one.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: We cut it last night. We filmed it last night.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: Gross Point Blank is amazing. And the soundtrack, it might
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: be one of the best soundtracks we've covered in all
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: of these episodes, these This Film Should Be Played Loud episodes.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: This Film Should Be Played Loud is our video podcast
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: on the best music from the best movies, best movie soundtracks.
• 28:14
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• 28:17
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• 28:19
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• 28:22
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• 28:25
  Speaker 1: going to be having today. Later here, coming up very soon,
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: it's very music, it's very true crime. We're talking Robin
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: Thicke bank robbery, right? Are you fucking kidding me? I'm not, apparently.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: I don't know anything about this. Zeth is going to
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: turn me on dead, man, as he says. Speaking of Zeth,
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: the Hollywoodland feed is cooking. Lots of new followers, subscribers.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: Appreciate you guys. We had our Sharon Stone episode rewound
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: this week for you over there. Zeth has the new
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: Rap Party episode with my recommendations, my music recommendations, his
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: film recommendations. Screening room coming at you tomorrow. Zeth is
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: covering Martin Scorsese's Casino. which is perfect because I'm going
• 29:08
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• 29:13
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• 29:18
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• 29:25
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• 29:29
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• 29:33
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• 29:38
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• 29:42
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• 29:57
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• 29:58
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• 30:00
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• 30:03
  Speaker 1: I want to thank the ones who came in, I
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: don't know, maybe four or five years ago, and they've
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: been hanging with me, come in and out. And then
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: we got some new listeners. I want to thank you
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: guys as well, okay? I mentioned John Denver in this episode.
• 30:13
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• 30:15
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• 30:18
  Speaker 1: Chris Cornell. Jimmy Page. We've got a Led Zeppelin episode.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: A couple of them, I think. Listen, Matt is going
• 30:24
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• 30:27
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• 30:30
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• 30:34
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• 30:36
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• 30:40
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• 30:41
  Speaker 1: Number one, this week, our new episode on David Crosby
• 30:43
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• 30:45
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• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Next week, coming up, our next new episode. That's going
• 30:52
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• 30:54
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• 30:57
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• 31:01
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• 31:03
  Speaker 1: all right, over in Hollywoodland. Number five, this film should
• 31:07
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• 31:10
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• 31:12
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• 31:15
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• 31:23
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• 31:31
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• 31:34
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• 31:36
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• 31:38
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• 31:41
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• 31:43
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• 31:45
  Speaker 1: like you do. And well, that's a disgrace. All right,
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: back on November 28th, 1985, David Crosby hired a plane
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: to fly him across the country to escape the law.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: He fought the law. He did not win. And this
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: is what America was listening to on that day, according
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: to the Billboard charts. Number one, Miami Vice theme, Jan Hammer.
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  Speaker 1: Last week, two. Peak position, one. Weeks on chart, ten.
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  Speaker 1: Number two, part-time lover Stevie Wonder. Last week, one. Peak position, one.
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  Speaker 1: Weeks on chart.
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  Speaker 5: 10.
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  Speaker 1: Number three. Head over heels. Tears for fears. Last week. Four.
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  Speaker 1: Peak position.
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  Speaker 5: Three.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: Weeks on chart. Nine. Peak position. Number four. You belong
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: to the city. Glenn Frey.
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  Speaker 2: Last week.
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  Speaker 1: Six. Peak position.
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  Speaker 4: Four.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: Weeks on chart.
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  Speaker 5: Nine.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: Number five. We built this city.
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: Start over.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: Quit talking and start mixing.