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Sharri | 8 September · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News This is Sharry.
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Speaker 2: Good Evening Tonight.
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Speaker 3: John Howard enters the debate over net zero, saying he
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Speaker 3: believes the price the world is paying to meet the
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Speaker 3: targets is not worth the damage.
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Speaker 4: I'm doubtful that zero is worth the price we're paying
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Speaker 4: for that. I'm not persuaded that the world will come
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Speaker 4: to an end if we don't reduce carbon emissions in
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Speaker 4: a radical way.
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Speaker 3: Howard also says Bob Hawk would not have agreed with
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Speaker 3: what Alban Easy is doing on Palestinian recognition.
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Speaker 2: The full exclusive interview in Just a Moment.
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Speaker 3: Plus eruption of hatus pro Palestinian activists Sully our iconic
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Speaker 3: Bondai Beach. It's time for the premiere to stop this
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Speaker 3: madness ahead of summer. And also I'm going to show
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Speaker 3: you vision of just this evening a pro Palestinian activist
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Speaker 3: with the flag on horseback on Bondi Beach.
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Speaker 2: More on that in a moment.
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Speaker 3: The tragic death of a father by a great white
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Speaker 3: shark on the weekend has paused a controversial program to
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Speaker 3: remove shark nets. Bray Hadley will be here to discuss
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Speaker 3: and the mushroom Killer. Aaron Patterson sentenced to thirty three
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Speaker 3: years behind bars without parole. More on the verdict later,
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Speaker 3: but first tonight, our world famous Bondi beach quintessentially Ozzy,
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Speaker 3: was defiled by divisive Palestinian flags yesterday, the flags of
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Speaker 3: a terrorist hotspot, and as is the norm now for
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Speaker 3: these protests, death chants rang.
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Speaker 5: Out from the angry activists.
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Speaker 3: I mean, this is absolutely disgraceful on our beautiful Bondai beach,
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Speaker 3: tarnished with calls for an inter farda. Inter Farda means
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Speaker 3: uprising and it's historically been violent. The first in Farda
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Speaker 3: in nineteen eighty seven involved acts of terrorism and the
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Speaker 3: second into Farda from two thousand was equally violent and
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Speaker 3: included suicide bombings and passenger bus bombings. And you also
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Speaker 3: heard in their chants cry supporting the resistance. All the
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Speaker 3: resistance is what activists claim. The massacre of October seven
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Speaker 3: was the brutal, barbaric and violent death of babies and
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Speaker 3: little children, mothers and fathers. These are the unholy chants
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Speaker 3: that sullied Bondai because police and the New South Wales
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Speaker 3: government made no attempt to stop this hatred from ruining
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Speaker 3: Australia's most famous beach on the first weekend of Spring
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Speaker 3: and on Father's Day. None of the protesters called for
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Speaker 3: her Musk to return the hostages who've now been held
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Speaker 3: for seven hundred and two days. None of the protesters
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Speaker 3: called for her mus to lay down their weapons of
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Speaker 3: terror and end the war. Now, the pro Palestinian crowd,
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Speaker 3: thankfully was relatively small in number, and it was vastly
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Speaker 3: outnumbered by the counter rally of Jews and regular Australians
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Speaker 3: who turned up to say that this hatred is unacceptable.
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Speaker 3: As many have pointed out, there were no Australian flags
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Speaker 3: flown by the pro Palestinians BLAG, Yet the rally on
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Speaker 3: the side of sanity held Australian flags high in the
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Speaker 3: air and they sang our national anthem. Now, the mainstream
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Speaker 3: media misinterpreted Sunday's events as tensions boiling over.
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Speaker 2: That's not what this was.
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Speaker 3: This was the New South Wales government and police failing
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Speaker 3: to shut down a protest designed to intimidate and antagonize Jews.
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Speaker 2: And then a.
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Speaker 3: Counter group of Israel and Australian supporters who are on
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Speaker 3: the side of peace stood up to say that we
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Speaker 3: won't be intimidated because someone has stand up to this mob.
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Speaker 3: With authorities failing to act and leaving it to everyday Australians,
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Speaker 3: it meant the groups came face to face and there
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Speaker 3: was a clash. Many families couldn't enjoy a Bondie on
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Speaker 3: a Sunday morning like they usually would. Who would want
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Speaker 3: to expose their children to chance.
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Speaker 2: Calling for an inter fada?
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Speaker 3: Who would want to come face to face with this
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Speaker 3: horrible hatred? I mean, these activists have already turned Sydney
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Speaker 3: CBD into a no go zone on the weekends, same
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Speaker 3: with Melbourne, and then they were allowed to turn Bondi
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Speaker 3: into a no go zone on Father's Day.
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Speaker 5: Now.
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Speaker 3: I often praised New Southe's Premier Chris Mins for his
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Speaker 3: handling of anti Semitism and this conflict in general. And
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Speaker 3: I understand there are limited legal options to shut down protests,
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Speaker 3: but we truly cannot see a repeat of this over
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Speaker 3: the summer months to come. Our iconic Bondi Beach can't
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Speaker 3: be allowed to become yet another no go zone, a
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Speaker 3: place where Australian Jews feel unwelcome and unsafe, and not
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Speaker 3: just Australian Jews, but where any parent would be reluctant
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Speaker 3: to take their family. Now, dealing with this isn't easy.
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Speaker 3: This is a challenge for men's, for the law, for authorities,
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Speaker 3: but public safety has to be prioritized.
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Speaker 2: The beach needs to be a hate.
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Speaker 3: Free zone the beach and I implore the New South
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Speaker 3: Wales government to find a way to stop this madness
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Speaker 3: and protect social cohesion, even if it means considering controversial
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Speaker 3: new legislation. And now, just this evening, around five o'clock,
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Speaker 3: a pro Palestinian activist rode a horse.
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Speaker 2: Across Bondai Beach.
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Speaker 6: This is not normal.
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Speaker 2: To discuss.
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Speaker 3: Let's bring in Sky News hosts Steve Price and Joe Hildebrand.
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Speaker 2: Joe, just in the minute.
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Speaker 3: Since we got this footage, you've been doing some research
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Speaker 3: on what is and isn't.
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Speaker 1: Allowed on Bondy.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, well, riding a horse is explicitly forbidden, so that
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Speaker 6: person can and should be arrested and charged and fined.
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Speaker 6: And so there is at least that I think the
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Speaker 6: I mean, I was discussed by what happened yesterday. I
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Speaker 6: think the you know, I mean, it just puts the
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Speaker 6: lie to so many of these protesters supposed sort of
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Speaker 6: good intentions supposedly being you know, upset with the Israeli government,
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Speaker 6: rather than actually Jews here in Australia. You can have
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Speaker 6: your protests in the CBD and wave your flags around.
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Speaker 6: That's annoying enough, and I can understand why businesses are
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Speaker 6: sick of it. But to actually deliberately target an area
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Speaker 6: which is known to have a high Jewish population and
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Speaker 6: get right in their faces, which is what this clearly was,
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Speaker 6: and we've seen them do it before. We've seen them
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Speaker 6: do with the suburbs of Melbourne as well, which are
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Speaker 6: Jewish community centers, is an act of deliberate intimidation. Perhaps
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Speaker 6: the only good news is that it's an own goal,
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Speaker 6: because after the sort of high watermark for their cause,
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Speaker 6: if you like, of the Harbor Bridge protest, they've just
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Speaker 6: been pissing everybody off again and again, showing their true
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Speaker 6: colors when it comes to this cause, which is that
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Speaker 6: it's not about Palestine, it's not about recognition. Australia is
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Speaker 6: already doing that, but it is about getting in the
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Speaker 6: face of Jewish Australians, making.
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Speaker 1: Them feel uncomfortable.
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Speaker 6: You've had academics brag about making pro Israel people who
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Speaker 6: are pro Israel feel uncomfortable and now you're seeing exactly
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Speaker 6: what it looks like. It is just disgusting behavior. It's difficult.
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Speaker 6: I think it's difficult for police to move on static protests,
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Speaker 6: and that seems to be what this is. You need
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Speaker 6: a permit to have a march, but if you just
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Speaker 6: show up and start waving a flag or chanting, I
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Speaker 6: think that is perhaps where the ambiguity lies. But clearly
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Speaker 6: something has to be done. They they can't have people
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Speaker 6: doing this.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, they don't move if it's a moving protest or
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Speaker 3: a static protest, I mean they're not moving it at all. Steve,
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Speaker 3: do you think it is time now for authorities to
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Speaker 3: act on these protests that are intimidating not just to
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Speaker 3: Jews but to all Australians.
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Speaker 7: Well, at least in Sydney you've got a permit system,
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Speaker 7: so there is some part of the law that can
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Speaker 7: be used. And I think it's a mute point about
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Speaker 7: whether that was a march or not. They needed a
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Speaker 7: permit to be there, they didn't have one. They should
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Speaker 7: have been shut off the beach. This is, let's be frank,
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Speaker 7: this is a bunch of Jewish hating people who started
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Speaker 7: at the Opera House on the eighth of October. Then
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Speaker 7: they got onto the Harbor Bridge. Now they've got on
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Speaker 7: the Bondo Beach. What does that tell you, Well, that
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Speaker 7: tells you that what they want is international publicity. If
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Speaker 7: you think about Sydney in an international sense, the three
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Speaker 7: big icons are the Harbor Bridge, the Opera House and
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Speaker 7: Bondi Beach. So they just want publicity. And so they
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Speaker 7: were down there doing their ugly stuff. The bloke on
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Speaker 7: the horse, well, you know, I feel for the coppers.
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Speaker 7: What are they supposed to do. I mean, you can't
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Speaker 7: chase a horse down a beach. Surely the CCTV camera
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Speaker 7: will let them identify who it is and the bloke
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Speaker 7: should be arrested.
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Speaker 1: But it has to stop.
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Speaker 7: In Melbourne. It's every Sunday and it just is shutting
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Speaker 7: businesses down in Melbourne. Chinatown's dead these days. On a weekend.
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Speaker 7: No one can go there. Somebody in government's got to
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Speaker 7: say enough's enough.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
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Speaker 3: And just while we've been on, the Jewish community advocate
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Speaker 3: Marty Perlstein has sent me a text message with the
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Speaker 3: Instagram page of the man who was on that hoss
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Speaker 3: I haven't obviously been able to look at that yet
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Speaker 3: I'm on ass I look at that in the ad break.
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Speaker 3: But clearly this is something his identity can be sent
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Speaker 3: to police and we'll see if they take any action
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Speaker 3: at all. Even though according to a legal excerpt right here, I.
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Speaker 6: Guarantee horses are explicitly forbidden on Sydney beaches. And interestingly,
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Speaker 6: the last time there were horses on Bondi Beach they
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Speaker 6: were police horses, and locals even complained about that because
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Speaker 6: of the waste that they were leaving in their way.
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Speaker 6: So they should only be police horses. They are the
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Speaker 6: only exception.
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Speaker 3: All right, Let's turn to the major news today that
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Speaker 3: mushroom killer Aaron Patterson has been sentenced to life in jail.
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Speaker 3: Justice Christopher Beale had it down a non parole period
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Speaker 3: of thirty three years. So Joe, she'll be eighty two
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Speaker 3: when she becomes eligible to apply for parole.
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Speaker 2: This seems like a good sentence.
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Speaker 1: I think it is.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean this case, I know it's captivated the
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Speaker 6: world's attention. It's something that just does my head in
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Speaker 6: because it just makes no sense. I like stories and
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Speaker 6: problems that you can solve. That's why I love politics
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Speaker 6: and trying to get my head around that it's impossible
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Speaker 6: to get around. Will find any kind of meaning in
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Speaker 6: this case, and this seems to be someone who is
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Speaker 6: simply a broken, failed human being who for the most bizarre,
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Speaker 6: nonsensical reasons, has killed her in laws. I'm glad the
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Speaker 6: sentence was as tough as it was. Perhaps, you know,
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Speaker 6: life behind bars without any hope of parole, you know,
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Speaker 6: it would have been too cruel. I guess she's got
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Speaker 6: something to look forward to, but really, I just the
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Speaker 6: pain that she's inflicted on so many people. I'm glad
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Speaker 6: that it's at least this.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, Steve.
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Speaker 3: I want to talk to you about the crime crisis
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Speaker 3: in Victoria. Two children were stabbed to death in a
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Speaker 3: suspected Melbourne youth gang attacker. It's been reported that they
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Speaker 3: were on their way home from basketball.
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Speaker 2: I mean police are.
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Speaker 3: Saying that they're yet to crack the night. I think
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Speaker 3: was the expression on this youth crime problem. I mean,
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Speaker 3: that's the understatement of the century. Two children on their
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Speaker 3: way home from basketball as senseless murder.
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Speaker 7: One's twelve, one's fifteen. They were both very promising basketball
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Speaker 7: as they caught the bus two stops from the basketball
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Speaker 7: stadium in the suburb of Cobble Bank. They got off
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Speaker 7: the bus, walked through a little alleyway onto the main road,
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Speaker 7: Marble Avenue Marble Street, and they're attacked by a gang
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Speaker 7: of eight. Reports tonight that one of those two boys
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Speaker 7: that's passed away actually had his hand cut off, which
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Speaker 7: makes this even worse if that's possible. Now, what we've
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Speaker 7: got is one breakthrough here, A very very brave police
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Speaker 7: officer by the name of Banks, Detective inspector I think
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Speaker 7: his name's Graham Banks, stood up yesterday and he said
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Speaker 7: the sentences for people committing these crimes does not match
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Speaker 7: the public expectation. He's gone straight against government policy. He
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Speaker 7: said that the law breakers need to be sentenced better,
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Speaker 7: almost like adults, is what he was saying. Now, the
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Speaker 7: new police Commissioner, Mike Bush backed him up, and so
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Speaker 7: finally have I guess what we've got. We've got a
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Speaker 7: police force that said, right, we've had enough of what
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Speaker 7: you government. You can tell us to do whatever you want,
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Speaker 7: but we're not going to do that now. We are
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Speaker 7: actually going to police the laws like the laws should
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Speaker 7: have been policed. We're not going to go soft on this.
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Speaker 7: You can tell your magistrates to get the act together.
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Speaker 7: We are going to actually get these people, arrest them,
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Speaker 7: and we expect them to be thrown behind bars and
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Speaker 7: left there.
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Speaker 3: I mean, finally, at least common sense from one police officer.
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Speaker 8: But Joe.
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Speaker 2: We also had today the deafas stating.
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Speaker 3: Emotional funeral of one of the police officers who was
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Speaker 3: killed by Daisy Freeman. Detective Leading Senior Constable Nian Thompson,
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Speaker 3: his partner, gave a very moving speech.
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Speaker 2: This is so upsetting to see.
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Speaker 1: It's just horribly upsetting.
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Speaker 6: I've wrote a tory about the previous the funeral of
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Speaker 6: the previous officer on Friday, and it's something you just
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Speaker 6: hurts you to even sort of get your head around,
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Speaker 6: because you know, we can put on our outfits and
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Speaker 6: go to work and expect that we're going to come
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Speaker 6: home at the end of the day. A cop knows,
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Speaker 6: and I know from police officers, I know, and you know,
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Speaker 6: it's almost a thing. They know as they're putting on
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Speaker 6: the uniform that this is the kind of threshold that
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Speaker 6: they're walking over, and suddenly, you know, the next disturbance
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Speaker 6: they're called to, the next front door they knock on
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Speaker 6: could be their last, and you know the fact that
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Speaker 6: you've got this absolute crazed man still on the run,
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Speaker 6: this alleged shooter. I'm not sure if he's alive. I
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Speaker 6: think his own family has doubts whether it's still alive
15:34
Speaker 6: or not, which may explain why they haven't found him.
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Speaker 6: The fact that you've got nutters actually celebrating this bloke
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Speaker 6: the March for Australia rally over the weekend, it just
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Speaker 6: makes me really really despair and I do feel for
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Speaker 6: our cops and they've got to be prices, absolutely right.
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Speaker 6: They've got to be given the powers they need to
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Speaker 6: be able to crack down on the crime. I mean,
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Speaker 6: you've got a situation if the assailants in this case
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Speaker 6: were the same age as one of the victims, they
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Speaker 6: could be exempt under you know, the new raising of
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Speaker 6: the age of criminal culpability that the Victorian governments can
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Speaker 6: side it.
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Speaker 1: This is bonkers.
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Speaker 6: They've already bought it down bail laws and then had
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Speaker 6: to backflip on that after that filled the outbreaking crime.
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Speaker 6: We know the same thing happened in Queensland and the
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Speaker 6: New South Wales, and instead of allowing these things to
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Speaker 6: run unchecked, the government's cracked down on them immediately in
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Speaker 6: the regions, tough and bail laws, and we seem to
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Speaker 6: have God willing got a handle on them. Breen, Victoria,
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Speaker 6: it's just running.
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Speaker 2: It's a complete mess, all right. Joe hild Around, Steve Price.
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Speaker 2: Great to see you both. Thank you so much.
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Speaker 3: And if you're wondering where Bruman Bishop is, She's going
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Speaker 3: to be on the show tomorrow night. And I'm going
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Speaker 3: to get to the Jerusalem terror attack by the way,
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Speaker 3: in just a moment. But first, former Prime Minister John
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Speaker 3: Howard and his long serving Foreign Minister Alexander Downer issued
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Speaker 3: a rare statement late last week warning against the Albanese
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Speaker 3: government's recognition of a Palestinian state. Now I sat down
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Speaker 3: with mister Howard for an exclusive interview to discuss this.
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Speaker 3: I also asked him about immigration, how long he thinks
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Speaker 3: Labor will be in power, whether Victoria is a lost
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Speaker 3: cause for the Liberal Party, spoke about crime and his
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Speaker 3: view on the debate around net zero.
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Speaker 2: Here's our interview.
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Speaker 3: Mister Howard, thank you so much for being here today.
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Speaker 3: Really appreciate it.
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Speaker 8: Great pleasure.
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Speaker 3: Now the Prime Minister, Anthony ALBINIZI will soon travel to
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Speaker 3: the United Nations General Assembly where he will vote to
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Speaker 3: recognize a Palestinian state.
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Speaker 2: What do you think of this move?
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Speaker 4: Well, I think it's wrong, both diplomatically and politically. And
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Speaker 4: what I've said recently with Alexander Downer, who was Australia's
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Speaker 4: longest serving foreign minister and was an outstanding foreign minister
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Speaker 4: in my government, and both of us as long standing
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Speaker 4: friends of Israel, think that our Prime minister has got
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Speaker 4: about this the wrong way.
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Speaker 8: The way you recognize.
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Speaker 4: As state is through patient diplomacy, particularly when you're dealing
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Speaker 4: with a country that has had such a difficult history
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Speaker 4: as the Palestinian territories. It's got to be remembered that
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Speaker 4: the world is fixated at the moment on the tragedy
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Speaker 4: of the war in Gaza, and it's all I am
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Speaker 4: moved by pictures of people being carried to hospital and
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Speaker 4: children starving. Of course that upsets me, upsets all of us,
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Speaker 4: but you've got to remember that the cause of that
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Speaker 4: goes back to the seventh of October twenty twenty three,
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Speaker 4: when Garza illegally, viciously and aggressively invaded Israel and claimed
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Speaker 4: twelve hundred lives and took hostages and committed countless atrocities,
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Speaker 4: and we're still living in the aftermath of that. But
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Speaker 4: going back much much longer than nineteen forty eight, when
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Speaker 4: Israel was created with the sank of the United Nations,
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Speaker 4: you remember that the United Nations and the first President of.
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Speaker 8: The United Nations was Dr H. V Evert, who later
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Speaker 8: became a labor leader.
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Speaker 4: Now he's not a person who I greatly admired, but
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Speaker 4: on this issue, he's right and he would never have
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Speaker 4: done what the current Prime minister and Bob Hawk, who
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Speaker 4: of course I knew well we cross swords on many occasions,
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Speaker 4: but on Israel and on the Middle East, we're on
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Speaker 4: the same page. And he wouldn't have agreed with what
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Speaker 4: Albanese is doing either.
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Speaker 8: And it's just you don't.
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Speaker 4: Recognize a country as an act of political expediency. You
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Speaker 4: recognize a country if it's met certain criteria. One of
19:48
Speaker 4: them is defined board as clear authority of the government.
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Speaker 4: Now those two don't exist, and what the Prime Minister
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Speaker 4: is doing, and what I regret to say the prime
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Speaker 4: ministers of Canada and the United Kingdom and others have
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Speaker 4: done is to I think slow the process rather than
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Speaker 4: accelerate it. They keep saying Oh, if we all shouting
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Speaker 4: unison recognize Palestine, it will happen.
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Speaker 8: It doesn't work that.
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Speaker 3: Way because, as you said in your statement, recognition of
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Speaker 3: a Palestinian state does require the final status issues to
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Speaker 3: be resolved and also has to meet the criteria as
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Speaker 3: you just said. So do you think this is the
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Speaker 3: move that these leaders of Australia, Canada, the UK and
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Speaker 3: others are doing to try and recognize a Palestinian state prematurely?
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Speaker 3: Do you think this is in breach of international law?
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Speaker 4: Well, I think it just ignores international law and if
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Speaker 4: you ignore it us in breach.
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Speaker 8: The enter has to be yes. And the.
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Speaker 4: Truth is that you can't as an act of political
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Speaker 4: expediency he recognize the country. And when you look back
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Speaker 4: on the history, I mean I as Prime minister was
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Speaker 4: involved in a very very serious attempt, along with a
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Speaker 4: lot of other countries and prime ministers to bring about
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Speaker 4: a settlement between Israel and the Palestinians. We got very close,
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Speaker 4: but in the end the people who pulled the plug
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Speaker 4: on the process were the Palestinians, wasn't the Israelis. I
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Speaker 4: mean I remember going to Ramallah as Prime Minister and
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Speaker 4: when yas Arafat's there and I inspected his guard of honor.
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Speaker 4: I remember the occasion.
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Speaker 8: Vividly, and in the end he balked and.
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Speaker 4: I was told by Bill Clinton's now to cease. National
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Speaker 4: Security advisor at the time, Sandyburger, that right at the
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Speaker 4: end at Camp David, he stood over Arafat and Israeli
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Speaker 4: Prime Minister and said, you've got a sign. This is
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Speaker 4: everything you asked for. And in the end Arafat said no.
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Speaker 4: And why because Arafat was scared that the extremists, and
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Speaker 4: he was pretty extreme, wouldn't accept it. Now, you've got
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Speaker 4: to take risks for peace you otherwise you are condemned
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Speaker 4: to a certain destruction of war.
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Speaker 3: In the statement that you and Alexander down It issued,
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Speaker 3: you describe this move as reckless and dangerous. This move
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Speaker 3: by the Albanese government.
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Speaker 4: Well, it's reckless because it gives the foals hope that
22:40
Speaker 4: you're going to have a lasting sentiment. You won't get
22:42
Speaker 4: a lasting settlement unless there is an accord between the
22:51
Speaker 4: contesting parties. And there's no way that the Israelis are
22:55
Speaker 4: going to read there's no way in the end that
22:59
Speaker 4: a m shekel recognition arrangement is going to be respected
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Speaker 4: by countries such as Egypt and Jordan and Saudi Arabia.
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Speaker 3: A couple of times while we've been talking, you've used
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Speaker 3: the word political expediency, and I presume by that you're
23:20
Speaker 3: referring to the Western Sydney voting base of ministers like
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Speaker 3: Tony Burke, Jason Clare and others. We've also seen people
23:31
Speaker 3: marching with terrorist flags across the Harbor Bridge and just
23:35
Speaker 3: in the weekly pro Palestinian marches On reflection, do you
23:40
Speaker 3: think this is a failure of our immigration program that
23:45
Speaker 3: not everyone now shares our Australian values.
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Speaker 4: Well, that is in a sense of separate issue, but
23:52
Speaker 4: I do have views. I'm strongly in favor of immigration.
23:56
Speaker 4: I think immigration has done wonderful things that this country continue.
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Speaker 4: But when somebody comes to Australia, they've got to embrace
24:04
Speaker 4: Australian values.
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Speaker 8: And it doesn't mean.
24:08
Speaker 4: To say they all have to buy liberal or labor
24:11
Speaker 4: or green or whatever. It just means that they have
24:13
Speaker 4: to embrace the democratic system in this country. And I
24:17
Speaker 4: do think that we have made the mistake of emphasizing
24:22
Speaker 4: the tribalism of multiculturalism rather than the benefits of what
24:30
Speaker 4: you might call an inclusive, integrated society. I never thought
24:36
Speaker 4: there was anything particularly wrong with using old terms like
24:40
Speaker 4: integration and assimilation. Assimilation, to my mind, doesn't mean you
24:46
Speaker 4: forget your roots. I don't think for a moment that
24:51
Speaker 4: a person who was born in Italy or India should
24:54
Speaker 4: lose sight of that fact. I've never met a multicultural
24:58
Speaker 4: man or woman. I've met plenty of bicultural and I
25:02
Speaker 4: had a wonderful chief of staff, Arthur siadinas many know
25:06
Speaker 4: well and respect, he was a magnificent chief of stuff.
25:10
Speaker 4: He was as Australian as a gum tree. He was
25:13
Speaker 4: born in Newcastle, but he had very deep routes with
25:17
Speaker 4: his Greek heritage, and that terrific.
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Speaker 8: I mean, that's true of so many.
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Speaker 3: But that's clearly an issue where we see Australians marching
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Speaker 3: with well.
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Speaker 4: I think people are concerned about the failure of integration
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Speaker 4: with some.
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Speaker 8: Migrants, but I think they're even more concerned about the
25:40
Speaker 8: level of the program.
25:41
Speaker 4: There's an instinctive feeling in the Australian community that some
25:45
Speaker 4: of our problems with housing would transport congestion in the
25:49
Speaker 4: city is due to the fact.
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Speaker 8: That we have got too big an intake.
25:53
Speaker 4: Now, I think we need to have a steady adjustable
25:58
Speaker 4: if you can have both those things at the same time.
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Speaker 4: I suppose it can be steady if it's not if
26:03
Speaker 4: the adjustments are not too sharp. But you've got to
26:06
Speaker 4: have a steady immigration program. But it's got to be
26:09
Speaker 4: tailored to the needs of the community and it can't
26:12
Speaker 4: overload cities.
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Speaker 2: I think it's done. That is that what?
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Speaker 8: Well, I think there's some evidence.
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Speaker 4: There's a lot of debate about this, but I think
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Speaker 4: it's safeloaded the city, and certainly it's an issue with housing.
26:26
Speaker 3: You mentioned before, labor heavyweights Bob Hawk and Doc Evert.
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Speaker 2: When you consider figures like that, and I.
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Speaker 4: Don't, well, let me say I plam in a different category.
26:38
Speaker 4: I mean, I thought Hawk was the best labor especial
26:42
Speaker 4: the adjective prime minister this country's ever had.
26:45
Speaker 8: I disagree with on so many things.
26:49
Speaker 2: Well, let's take Hawk.
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Speaker 3: Then when you consider a reforming prime minister like Hawk,
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Speaker 3: and then you look at the labor federal leadership today,
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Speaker 3: alban Easy, do you think we witnessing a degeneration, a
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Speaker 3: decline of the Labor party.
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Speaker 4: Well, look, I hesitate to pronounce benedictions on political parties.
27:11
Speaker 4: It's a very dangerous thing to do. Happens every time
27:14
Speaker 4: you have a bad result. I mean when the Liberal
27:17
Speaker 4: Party suffered a bad result a few months ago, people
27:20
Speaker 4: run around they are the Liberal parties finished.
27:23
Speaker 8: No, the Liberal Party is not finished. It's had a
27:25
Speaker 8: bad result. It will recover.
27:28
Speaker 4: And equally, when the Labor Party lost heavily in twenty
27:33
Speaker 4: and thirteen, people run around then saying it's finished, it's
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Speaker 4: not come back.
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Speaker 8: I think the.
27:39
Speaker 4: Labor Party is having an identity crisis on this issue.
27:44
Speaker 4: This would never have happened under Hawk's leadership and alban
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Speaker 4: Ez he talks about how he wanted to model himself
27:52
Speaker 4: on Bob Will. He not doing that when it comes
27:55
Speaker 4: to the Middle East.
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Speaker 3: But on foreign policy more generally, we see this government
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Speaker 3: aligning itself with the left leaning leaders of Europe and
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Speaker 3: out of step with Washington.
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Speaker 4: Well, the left leaning leaders of Europe as you call them,
28:18
Speaker 4: have been elected and kids Starmer is the Prime Minister
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Speaker 4: of Britain. He's a Labor Prime Minister of Britain. I
28:25
Speaker 4: dealt for eleven years with the labor Prime Miners for
28:27
Speaker 4: of Britain, Tony Blair, and on international policy, he was
28:32
Speaker 4: great to do it with.
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Speaker 8: He made a lot of sense.
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Speaker 2: More centrist.
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Speaker 8: Well, he just it's common sense.
28:38
Speaker 4: I think on this issue Starmer and Macron and to
28:45
Speaker 4: some degree I can't really assess him.
28:48
Speaker 8: It's too early.
28:48
Speaker 4: The new Chancellor of Germany appear to have gone along
28:52
Speaker 4: with the mob that say, well, it's terrible what's happening
28:55
Speaker 4: in Gardland. The way to finish it is to give in.
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Speaker 1: There.
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Speaker 8: You can't do that. They started it.
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Speaker 5: I mean, you can't give in to terrorists.
29:05
Speaker 8: You can't give in to people. You certainly can't give
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Speaker 8: in to terrorists.
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Speaker 4: And hamas are a terrorist organization in the eyes of Australia, Britain, America, Canada,
29:16
Speaker 4: New Zealand, any country that you're respectably name, they've all
29:22
Speaker 4: condemned it. And there's always a situation where the country
29:29
Speaker 4: that retaliates inflicts a lot more harm on the country
29:35
Speaker 4: that starts the fight. I mean, you remember that when
29:38
Speaker 4: the Japanese huld themselves at Pearl Harbor, they claimed the
29:42
Speaker 4: lives of four and a half thousand Americans. The fire
29:46
Speaker 4: bombing of Tokyo, even leaving aside the Adam bomb by
29:50
Speaker 4: bombing of Tokyo in nineteen forty five and two Knights
29:55
Speaker 4: in succession claimed one hundred and twenty thousand Japanese lives.
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Speaker 4: Now a lot of them would have been women and children,
30:03
Speaker 4: innocent non combatants.
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Speaker 8: But that is tragic.
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Speaker 4: That's what happens in a warlike situation, and that is
30:10
Speaker 4: why it's so important to keep reminding ourselves that it
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Speaker 4: was Hamas that started the latest conflict.
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Speaker 8: If you are.
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Speaker 4: Saddened as I am, by the side of children suffering
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Speaker 4: in Ghazan, and no child deserves that.
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Speaker 2: And they still hold hostages.
30:30
Speaker 4: There, eating old hostages, and they took hostages for the
30:34
Speaker 4: deliberatey of terrorizing the Israeli.
30:38
Speaker 8: Population, and it sent you. And I think.
30:42
Speaker 4: Israeli is a remarkably democratic country. When you get demonstrations
30:46
Speaker 4: every night against the government and their big demonstrations, and
30:51
Speaker 4: I can understand the feelings of the families of the hostages.
30:56
Speaker 4: I can also understand and sympathize with the net and
30:59
Speaker 4: Yahu government because they are carrying the torch against Hummas.
31:08
Speaker 3: Just finally, on a different topic, do you think that
31:12
Speaker 3: Victoria is a lost cause for the Liberal Party? Given
31:17
Speaker 3: Jacenter Allen is somehow, according to the polls, on.
31:20
Speaker 2: Track to win the next election.
31:22
Speaker 3: And this is despite unprecedented crime, endless tax hikes, record debt,
31:30
Speaker 3: and the Indigenous treaty.
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Speaker 4: I don't think the Liberal Party is a lost cause
31:36
Speaker 4: in Victoria.
31:37
Speaker 8: No, I never think the.
31:38
Speaker 4: Liberal Party is a lost cause because it's shone great
31:42
Speaker 4: recuperative powers in the past. Now, if you look at
31:48
Speaker 4: opinion polls a few months ago, the federal opposition was
31:52
Speaker 4: well ahead of the Lover Party.
31:54
Speaker 8: According to the opinion polls.
31:56
Speaker 4: The Lover Party ended up winning the last election with
31:59
Speaker 4: a better majority than I personally thought they would have,
32:02
Speaker 4: and a lot of people tended to agree with me
32:05
Speaker 4: in that. But I do think the Liberal Party has
32:07
Speaker 4: to focus on the policy divide in that state. It's
32:12
Speaker 4: had too many internal fights. I mean, the debilitating impact
32:17
Speaker 4: of the Persuto Deeming dispute was about of me. There
32:22
Speaker 4: are certain fundamentals and the position that Mora Deeming took
32:27
Speaker 4: on gender issues was right, and I thought John Persuto,
32:32
Speaker 4: talented though he was, was.
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Speaker 8: Wrong on that.
32:34
Speaker 4: They've got to put that behind him, and they've just
32:36
Speaker 4: got to get rid of that and focus and if
32:39
Speaker 4: they do that, they can win. Because it's been a
32:42
Speaker 4: pretty bad government, that Labor administration but it survived in
32:47
Speaker 4: the past and it will survive again unless the Liberal
32:52
Speaker 4: Party gets its sacked together, and it gets attacked together
32:54
Speaker 4: by focusing on big policy differences, not on talking about itself.
33:01
Speaker 4: The public has got no patience with political parties that
33:05
Speaker 4: spend their time talking about themselves.
33:09
Speaker 3: I think federally we are seeing a radical, far left
33:14
Speaker 3: labor government. I do think this is unlike other centrist
33:18
Speaker 3: labor governments of the past.
33:20
Speaker 2: And yet according to.
33:23
Speaker 3: The number of seats at the Liberal Party, the coalition
33:25
Speaker 3: would need to win. I mean, we're most likely looking
33:28
Speaker 3: at another six years, aren't we.
33:30
Speaker 4: Oh look, look, Sharry, I would caution very strongly against
33:34
Speaker 4: them forward projections of that kind. You never know in politics.
33:40
Speaker 4: And just as six months nine months ago, the Liberal
33:44
Speaker 4: Party looked in good shape to possibly even sneak a
33:48
Speaker 4: win or certainly minority government federally, and it end up
33:51
Speaker 4: going backwards.
33:52
Speaker 8: It happened in less than a year.
33:55
Speaker 4: So you can't start talking about what will be the
33:57
Speaker 4: situation in six years. It all depends on performance. The
34:04
Speaker 4: Liberal Party has a new leadership group and Susan Lane's
34:07
Speaker 4: got to be given a chance to perform as a leader.
34:10
Speaker 4: And I hope that she succeeds. I wanted to succeed,
34:15
Speaker 4: not only because I'm a liberal, but because I think
34:18
Speaker 4: she's got a lot of talent and a lot of commitment.
34:22
Speaker 4: But there's got to be a focus on policy differences,
34:25
Speaker 4: and the barnacles, as I used to call them, have
34:29
Speaker 4: got to be.
34:29
Speaker 8: Got rid of.
34:30
Speaker 4: I mean, if there's a difference of opinion on net zero,
34:33
Speaker 4: let us resolve it quickly.
34:36
Speaker 2: Do you have a view and what it should be.
34:39
Speaker 4: I've become a climate change agnostic, and I don't normally
34:44
Speaker 4: use that word except in the religious context, and I'm
34:47
Speaker 4: certainly not an agnostic religiously, but I am on climate change,
34:51
Speaker 4: very agnostic, and I think the world is making a
34:56
Speaker 4: mistake by sort of going overboard about climate change.
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Speaker 8: But that is a very big broad issue.
35:02
Speaker 3: When you say agnostic in the sense of climate change,
35:05
Speaker 3: what do you mean by that?
35:06
Speaker 2: Just final question?
35:07
Speaker 4: But no, what I mean by that is that I'm
35:09
Speaker 4: not persuaded that the world will come to an end
35:12
Speaker 4: if we don't reduce carbon emissions in a radical way.
35:18
Speaker 2: So abound in that zero the twenty.
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Speaker 4: Well, that means that I'm doubtful that zero is worth
35:24
Speaker 4: the price we're paying for it.
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Speaker 8: That's my view.
35:27
Speaker 4: But I'm a former, I'm a has been well.
35:30
Speaker 3: You are still incredibly influential and well admired by all
35:34
Speaker 3: Australians and I'm very grateful for your time today, mister Howard.
35:37
Speaker 2: Thank you so much.
35:40
Speaker 3: And I'll come back to that interview with Ray Hadley
35:42
Speaker 3: after the break, But just quickly, in breaking news this evening,
35:45
Speaker 3: there has been a terror attack in Jerusalem, with emergency
35:49
Speaker 3: services confirming.
35:50
Speaker 2: That at least six people have been murdered.
35:53
Speaker 3: Two terrorists opened fire on a packed bus this morning
35:57
Speaker 3: Israel time at Gramont junction in Jerusalem. Three men killed
36:01
Speaker 3: were in their thirties, one woman in her fifties and
36:03
Speaker 3: one man in his fifties. At least twenty one were wounded,
36:08
Speaker 3: Seven people in hospital with serious injuries. Other Times of
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Speaker 3: Israel reports the attack was carried out by West Bank
36:15
Speaker 3: palestinians Hamas has already applauded it. Nada Yaho currently holding
36:20
Speaker 3: security meetings.
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Speaker 2: We'll update you as the situation develops.
36:24
Speaker 8: Still to come.
36:25
Speaker 3: A father killed by a gray white shark at a
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Speaker 3: Sydney beach, just as the government was set to remove
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Speaker 3: sharknets and the War of words between Jacinta Nampajimpa Price
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Speaker 3: and Alex Holk Ray Hadley, we'll get stuck in next
36:42
Speaker 3: Welcome back and joining me now on the desk radio Legend.
36:45
Speaker 3: Ray Hadley, good to see you again and I'll get
36:47
Speaker 3: your view on John Howard in a minute. But please
36:50
Speaker 3: we want to start with what we were texting about
36:52
Speaker 3: over the weekend, this terrible shark attack of a father
36:56
Speaker 3: of a little girl killed on long Reach BA, just
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Speaker 3: off the coast of d Y. Believed that he was
37:03
Speaker 3: killed by a great white shark around three point six
37:06
Speaker 3: meters in length. And what's so sad as well is
37:09
Speaker 3: that his friend told Channel nine that, by the way,
37:14
Speaker 3: his name is Mercury Silacis. And his friend told Channel
37:17
Speaker 3: nine that he was actually trying to save a group
37:20
Speaker 3: of mates after they'd spotted the shark have a look, was.
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Speaker 9: Trying to corral everyone in and he was sort of
37:27
Speaker 9: the last surfer furthest out and unfortunately that was sort
37:33
Speaker 9: of the undoing heroic, no two ways about it.
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Speaker 3: And Ray the New South I was government has now
37:40
Speaker 3: paused the removal of shark nets.
37:43
Speaker 10: Yes, they have at three beaches, Waverley, Northern Beaches and
37:47
Speaker 10: Central Coast, and I've spoken about this passionately before. It's
37:51
Speaker 10: all coming from Penny Sharp on the left of the party,
37:54
Speaker 10: who thinks that shark's another marine life are more important
37:58
Speaker 10: than human life. You have to be very delicate here
38:01
Speaker 10: because there's a family grieving. And if you talk to
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Speaker 10: surfers as I've had over the course of the weekend
38:06
Speaker 10: who were in the water up where I live, and
38:08
Speaker 10: when they came out of the water, I said, you're
38:10
Speaker 10: not worried about it. We're in their domain. We're in
38:13
Speaker 10: the shark's domain. We know that, and there are risks,
38:15
Speaker 10: inherent risks with surfing and being in the water.
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Speaker 1: But what we've got to do is some way mitigate
38:22
Speaker 1: the risks. Now.
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Speaker 10: I saw a strange quote today from someone on the
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Speaker 10: Northern Beaches saying, oh, the shark nets actually a tract
38:29
Speaker 10: sharks that'll come used to Gold Coast surfgoers. There's been
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Speaker 10: no fatal shark attack on the Gold Coast for seven
38:38
Speaker 10: decades because of sharknets. What I don't quite understand Chris
38:42
Speaker 10: Mens has paused it until there's an inquiry as to
38:45
Speaker 10: what happened. You don't need to be a rade squad
38:47
Speaker 10: to figure out it happened north of d Y. The
38:51
Speaker 10: next beach is Long Reef, which is not netted. It
38:54
Speaker 10: is not netted and has never been netted as far
38:55
Speaker 10: as I understand it. So Chrismans has got a decision
38:59
Speaker 10: to make. Does he cater to Pini Sharp and the
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Speaker 10: left of his party and the Greens, or does he
39:05
Speaker 10: put human life in front of marine life?
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Speaker 1: Pretty simple, I.
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Speaker 2: Would have thought, which is nonsensical.
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Speaker 3: And I spoke to the Waverley mayor on the show
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Speaker 3: on Thursday and he said, well, the removal of the
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Speaker 3: nets would have to be at one of two beaches
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Speaker 3: in his.
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Speaker 2: Area, Bondai or Bronti.
39:23
Speaker 3: I mean these are packed with families and kids over summer.
39:26
Speaker 2: That just wouldn't be safe.
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Speaker 10: Well, say where I reside these days, on the central
39:30
Speaker 10: coast of New South Wales.
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Speaker 1: So just say if they take it out of kill
39:34
Speaker 1: care the nets.
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Speaker 10: If they say no, well people will simply go north.
39:39
Speaker 10: They're going to make Master's Beach, they go to Capa Cabana,
39:43
Speaker 10: they'll go to terrechor they'll go other places.
39:44
Speaker 2: Well, they won't know and there could be an attack.
39:47
Speaker 1: Well let's sape it's well sign pasted.
39:49
Speaker 10: But It's not just about the surfers who know there's
39:52
Speaker 10: an inherent risk doing what they did. It's about the
39:55
Speaker 10: mums and dads and the tourists as they do on
39:59
Speaker 10: the Gold Coast, going the water with some confidence. There
40:01
Speaker 10: hasn't been a shark attack on the Gold Case for
40:03
Speaker 10: seven decades because of Sharknett's not rocket science, and Chris
40:07
Speaker 10: Means has either got a part in the expression peel
40:09
Speaker 10: or get off the pot on this one.
40:11
Speaker 1: He can't keep catering.
40:12
Speaker 10: We've just seen workers put out of business on the
40:15
Speaker 10: north coast of New South Wales forest free workers when
40:18
Speaker 10: they actually use a minuscule part of the resources where
40:23
Speaker 10: the koalas are. We've seen Penny Sharp hate with a
40:27
Speaker 10: passion the Brumbies because they're not, of course part.
40:32
Speaker 1: Of our history. She doesn't think they are.
40:34
Speaker 10: So I mean, it's a very very very fine line
40:37
Speaker 10: that Chris Means is treading at the moment. I'm glad
40:39
Speaker 10: that he's said we're going to review it, but there
40:41
Speaker 10: should be no review.
40:43
Speaker 1: You either back human life or your back marine.
40:46
Speaker 2: Life one percent. I couldn't agree with you, Mott.
40:49
Speaker 3: Now you would have seen the interview with John Howard
40:51
Speaker 3: just before he had strong comments on immigration. He you know,
40:55
Speaker 3: he said that he does think we're overloaded in the
40:59
Speaker 3: city housing issue. Wad into the debate on that zero,
41:02
Speaker 3: you know, said albows and nothing like Hulk in the
41:04
Speaker 3: Middle East.
41:05
Speaker 2: Where did you find.
41:06
Speaker 1: Strongest, Well, I'll tell you what I found.
41:09
Speaker 10: I don't know any other politician or former politician who
41:11
Speaker 10: can hold my attention for almost twenty minutes.
41:14
Speaker 1: But he did.
41:15
Speaker 10: He did, and I would think there'd be Conservative voters
41:18
Speaker 10: across Australia who watched that interview saying goodness, gracious, there
41:22
Speaker 10: is such a gap between him and leadership of the
41:26
Speaker 10: Liberal Party at the moment that his eloquence and his
41:29
Speaker 10: common sense simply illustrated the gap, the yawning chasm that's
41:33
Speaker 10: there between that man who's in his eighty six year
41:38
Speaker 10: and plays them all off a break, I mean, and
41:41
Speaker 10: picks up that zero and says, I'm agnostic.
41:44
Speaker 1: Why are you agnostic? He said, Well, at.
41:46
Speaker 10: The end of the day, the cost is far greater
41:48
Speaker 10: than the benefit if there is to be a benefit.
41:51
Speaker 10: And then on immigration, the same thing, and then on Palestine.
41:56
Speaker 10: I mean, if only the Liberal Party had someone other
42:00
Speaker 10: than a retired prime minister to argue the point and
42:04
Speaker 10: the most important thing I think he said before and
42:07
Speaker 10: again tonight.
42:08
Speaker 1: We need a point of difference.
42:11
Speaker 10: We've got, as it's been explained, and I've explained it
42:14
Speaker 10: many times. We've got a labor government and we've got
42:17
Speaker 10: a Labor light opposition and people need some point of
42:21
Speaker 10: difference and they don't have one. And Susan Lee, the
42:25
Speaker 10: longest she stays in the leadership, the further they are
42:27
Speaker 10: from winning an election.
42:28
Speaker 1: I agree with the Prime Minister.
42:29
Speaker 10: Things can change quick, drastically, drastically and the only way
42:32
Speaker 10: to change the impetus for the Liberal Party is find
42:35
Speaker 10: someone who's going to take the fight to enter the
42:37
Speaker 10: ab and easy take it to him, don't sit back
42:40
Speaker 10: and agree.
42:40
Speaker 3: With him and bring Australians with that, which is what
42:44
Speaker 3: Howard had the unique ability to be able to do.
42:46
Speaker 3: If he could have a national conversation with Australians about
42:49
Speaker 3: a topic, lead and bring them with him, mount to
42:53
Speaker 3: the case, have the argument. He did that on the
42:56
Speaker 3: GSD of course, but we don't have politicians to do that.
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Speaker 10: I mean, you think about Gunla was after port Arthur,
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Speaker 10: very brave decision by a brave prime minister. I've had
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Speaker 10: a lot of Look, I've had some battles with him
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Speaker 10: over the years, but I.
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Speaker 1: Think he's a fantastic fella.
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Speaker 10: And to sit here as I did outside the studio
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Speaker 10: and wa'ts the interview tonight, I just kept thinking how
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Speaker 10: good is he? And as I said, the gap between
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Speaker 10: him and who leads the Liberal Party of the moment
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Speaker 10: just is widening.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I couldn't agree more.
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Speaker 3: And also his point that Albanize is nothing like Bob Hawk.
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Speaker 10: I mean, of course Bob Bob was a special Prime
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Speaker 10: Minister as well as mister Howard illustrated and so I
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Speaker 10: mean I don't think Anthony.
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Speaker 1: I don't think he'd walk in his shadow.
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Speaker 3: I just want to ask you before we go about
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Speaker 3: this staush that's emerged between Jacinta Nampa, Jimpa Price and
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Speaker 3: Alex Hawk.
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Speaker 2: What do you think?
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Speaker 10: Well, firstly, I think you see there was wide of
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Speaker 10: the mark talking about people coming from India the subcontinent
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Speaker 10: to set here. I deal with a lot of Australian Indians,
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Speaker 10: bast of them, I deal with the conservative foetus. By
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Speaker 10: the way, they very supportive of the Liberal Coalition. So
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Speaker 10: I think that was a misstep by her. But look,
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Speaker 10: Alex Hawk. He's been the local member where I reside,
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Speaker 10: and he's like teflon Co.
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Speaker 1: Did he keeps surviving where you used to live in
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Speaker 1: the Hawkesbury Yeah, in the Hills history Yeah yeah.
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Speaker 10: So, I mean the thing about Alex is is a
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Speaker 10: bit like Toiney Burke. Well, I shouldn't use the word henchman,
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Speaker 10: but he does the bidding of others.
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Speaker 2: A factional power breaker.
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Speaker 10: Well, well, I don't know whether he's a power break
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Speaker 10: or I think he thinks he's a power breaker. And
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Speaker 10: if it's true that he tried to bounce some of
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Speaker 10: you said as staff, well that's not how you deal
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Speaker 10: with problems, you know.
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Speaker 1: And where was Susan Lee? Where was the leader? If
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Speaker 1: she had a problem and she went to.
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Speaker 10: Harris Park, or as the Indian Prime Minister called it,
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Speaker 10: Harrish Park in Sydney, just out of Paramatta.
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Speaker 1: If she had a problem with what you said her
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Speaker 1: said and she did have a problem, talk to her
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Speaker 1: about it, Confront her about it. Don't send Alex into bad.
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Speaker 2: Speak to her directly.
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Speaker 3: And I believe just into when she says that Alex
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Speaker 3: berated her staff for five or six minutes whatever.
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Speaker 10: Well he's got some form in that regard Alex, even
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Speaker 10: though we might deny it. I think when you're backing
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Speaker 10: race sources, you look at their previous form, and when
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Speaker 10: you're backing politicians look at their previous form as well.
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Speaker 1: And I think Alex has noted for that sort of behavior.
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Speaker 2: And of course he has denied that.
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Speaker 1: Oh well, of course he's denied it.
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Speaker 2: Naturally.
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Speaker 3: All right, I'm going to chowse you know again, it
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Speaker 3: goes back to what Howard was saying, the Liberals have
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Speaker 3: to stop talking about themselves too much division fight the
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Speaker 3: Labor Party.
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Speaker 1: Well, it's about the noises they're making. And here we
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Speaker 1: are in the middle of September almost and they're still
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Speaker 1: they're still like you about what happened four or five
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Speaker 1: months ago. I mean, get over it and move forward.
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Speaker 2: But some policies about time.
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Speaker 10: What you should all do in Canberra, all you leaders
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Speaker 10: of the Liberal Party is sit down tomorrow at a
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Speaker 10: round table and look at the former Prime minister's interview
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Speaker 10: with Sharing, have a look at it.
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Speaker 1: And take some points out of it. Because he's a
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Speaker 1: very wise man.
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Speaker 3: Indeed he is, and I was grateful to have the
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Speaker 3: time with him, as I am with you every week, ray.
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Speaker 2: Thank you very much for being here.
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Speaker 1: Next week, I'll be here again.
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Speaker 3: Excellent after the break, chaos for the already embattled UK
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Speaker 3: Starma government to plas Trump promises he'll.
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Speaker 2: Get all the hostages out. That's next.
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Speaker 3: And Joy minow Sky News contributor Kosher Gada kosher turmoil
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Speaker 3: for the UK government with a resignation of Deputy PM
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Speaker 3: Angela Raina over the weekend.
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Speaker 11: Indeed, and she was a rising star in the Labor
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Speaker 11: Party up until very recently. Many thought she was sort
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Speaker 11: of on a glade path to bigger and better things,
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Speaker 11: possibly even a run for and she has been turfed
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Speaker 11: out for basically underpaying stamp duty on a second home,
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Speaker 11: and that was on the conclusion of an ethics investigation.
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Speaker 11: It has shades of Lisa Cook, which is this other
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Speaker 11: story that we've been talking about Shari on her show
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Speaker 11: where Trump is trying to get one of the governors
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Speaker 11: on the Federal Reserve Board in the US to go
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Speaker 11: out for much of the same thing. It really burns people,
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Speaker 11: I think, because it reeks of rules for thee and
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Speaker 11: not for me. The very people in charge of interest
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Speaker 11: rates in the housing market. In Angela Rayner's case, she
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Speaker 11: was Housing secretary, somehow seemed to flout the rules themselves,
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Speaker 11: and that does not age well. It's only compounding the
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Speaker 11: many bigger issues that Cure Starmer is dealing with and
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Speaker 11: now with record low approval ratings just a year into
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Speaker 11: his prime minister ship.
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Speaker 3: Another big story today, Donald Trump is promising there could
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Speaker 3: be a deal on the hostages very soon, and it
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Speaker 3: comes as an image of one of the hostages Alona
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Speaker 3: Hell has shown him outside the Red Cross offices. Kosha me,
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Speaker 3: do you think Trump will be able to do a
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Speaker 3: deal anytime soon?
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Speaker 11: You know his patience is wearing thin. I think everybody's
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Speaker 11: patience is wearing thin, and he's a little bit stuck
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Speaker 11: between a rock and a hard place because Hamas obviously
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Speaker 11: knows that holding onto these terrorists is their biggest leverage
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Speaker 11: and once they lose that, they really don't have much
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Speaker 11: more to go for, so they really are fighting this
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Speaker 11: till the bitter end. On the other hand, this is
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Speaker 11: one issue as much as the controversy has only grown
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Speaker 11: around this war, and different factions have different perspectives on
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Speaker 11: how much the US should get involved or not get involved.
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Speaker 11: Releasing the hostages is something that the entire world agrees
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Speaker 11: with and that's where I do think he would be
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Speaker 11: willing to exert maximum pressure. But he's been talking about
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Speaker 11: it for a long time. While some progress has been
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Speaker 11: made and some of them have been released, I don't know.
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Speaker 11: As a day's tick by, people are kind of losing
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Speaker 11: hope and patients. But if anyone can pull it off,
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Speaker 11: I think it is him and the US. So let's
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Speaker 11: hope that we get to some resolution very soon.
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Speaker 2: We'll see.
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Speaker 3: He's been very optimistic on the hostages on Russia Ukraine
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Speaker 3: and nothing yet but not losing, not giving up yet.
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Speaker 3: Kosha guarda great to see you as always, Thank you
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Speaker 3: so much, and we'll bit back in just a moment.
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Speaker 3: That's all we've got time for today. I'll see you
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Speaker 3: tomorrow at eight. And here's James Morrow filling in for
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Speaker 3: Paul Murray.