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'The worst take' Joe slams Trump for rejecting AI concerns as a 'HOAX' · DEEP INSIGHT

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  Speaker 1: And I have an expression.
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  Speaker 2: It's whoever wins, AI wins. That's how big it is.
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  Speaker 2: It's bigger than the Internet. And whoever wins, AI wins.
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  Speaker 2: And we can't let this kind of stuff happen. And
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  Speaker 2: that includes very much includes data centers. There are communities
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  Speaker 2: that were dying that have data centers right now. And
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  Speaker 2: now they're wealthy communities.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, they're not wealthy communities. And yeah, what's he
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  Speaker 1: talking about? We can't let happen. Like the end of humanity. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I agree if that's what he's talking about. But I
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  Speaker 1: don't think that's what he was talking about. I think
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  Speaker 1: he's talking about any sort of second look at the
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  Speaker 1: pacing of how quickly this technology is moving along, which is,
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  Speaker 1: of course, the issue of our time. But you would
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  Speaker 1: never know that idiots in Washington, D.C. are responding to
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  Speaker 1: the crisis.
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  Speaker 3: Of our time.
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  Speaker 4: He actually crashed the taping of a podcast dismissing the
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  Speaker 4: safety concerns about A.I., and criticisms of data centers. We're
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  Speaker 4: going to dig into his support of two issues that
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  Speaker 4: are unpopular with Americans and perhaps logic.
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  Speaker 3: We'll see.
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  Speaker 1: You know, Richard, obviously, this requires, actually, that we have
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  Speaker 1: politicians in Washington, D.C., and yes, people in the industry
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  Speaker 1: that can juggle two or three thoughts simultaneously in their
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  Speaker 1: own mind.
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  Speaker 3: It just requires thought.
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 1: Innovation, cutting edge innovation that will change the world, that
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  Speaker 1: will make us healthier, make us more productive, make us
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  Speaker 1: stronger economically. Safety concerns that will stop the sort of
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  Speaker 1: swarms from.
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  Speaker 3: Going out and ending mankind. And yes. Everybody you talk
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  Speaker 3: to that's actually.
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  Speaker 1: Involved in this, it's honest, says, you know, we can't
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  Speaker 1: let the genie out of the bottle five, 10 years
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  Speaker 1: from now. I say five, 10 months from now, as
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  Speaker 1: quickly as this is moving.
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  Speaker 3: There could be real concerns, whether you're talking about.
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  Speaker 1: Bio hazards, whether you're talking about completely shutting down our
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  Speaker 1: financial sectors, whether you're talking about completely shutting down our
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  Speaker 1: electrical grids, that could happen. That most likely will happen
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  Speaker 1: if Washington, starting with the president of the United States,
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  Speaker 1: doesn't get serious about this quickly.
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  Speaker 3: And the third thing, of course, is China. But I
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  Speaker 3: will say Hillary.
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  Speaker 1: Clinton said something that that's been in the back of
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  Speaker 1: my mind for weeks, which is if President Xi arrests
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  Speaker 1: his top tech guy. And we don't hear from Jack
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  Speaker 1: Ma for years because of old line tech.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, do we expect she to go, oh. Let
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  Speaker 3: a thousand flowers bloom.
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  Speaker 1: Wherever this crazy, wacky AI thing goes, just let it
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  Speaker 1: go there.
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  Speaker 3: No, he's never going to do that.
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  Speaker 1: He's going to be on top of it, squelching it
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  Speaker 1: at every turn if he thinks it's going to challenge
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  Speaker 1: his absolute power.
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  Speaker 5: It is a threat to the surveillance state and to
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  Speaker 5: basically one person, one party controlled in China. It's also
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  Speaker 5: a threat to their economy. What you were saying about
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  Speaker 5: the U.S.
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  Speaker 3: Economy.
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  Speaker 5: The ability of this to undermine the entire financial system.
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  Speaker 5: We assume that we go online and we look at
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  Speaker 5: our accounts and what was there when we went to
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  Speaker 5: sleep will be there in the morning.
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  Speaker 3: What happens the day that it's not?
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  Speaker 5: And that day is not necessarily that far away. That
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  Speaker 5: could affect China as well. China's not immune. There are
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  Speaker 5: people who, shall we say, whose enthusiasm for Xi in
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  Speaker 5: China is finite. But coming back to your basic point,
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  Speaker 5: that's just one angle of it. We can't let this
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  Speaker 5: conversation be dominated just by the fear of China and competition.
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  Speaker 5: The domestic dimension, the gap, Joe, between how potentially perilous
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  Speaker 5: this is and the lack of a serious response, that
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  Speaker 5: gap is about as large and as bad as I've seen.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, the American people are so far ahead
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  Speaker 1: of politicians in Washington.
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  Speaker 3: They're so far ahead of Donald Trump. They're so far
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  Speaker 3: ahead of a lot of Republican leaders.
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  Speaker 1: And it's, again, it's Not only is it dangerous for
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  Speaker 1: us on all of these fronts, the promise is extraordinary.
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  Speaker 1: It just takes grownups to sit down and sort through
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  Speaker 1: this instead of having absolutists.
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  Speaker 3: From both sides. And that's exactly what we have. I
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  Speaker 3: can say one other thing, too, just on a side note.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it doesn't really matter if we're all extinct
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  Speaker 1: in like 2029, what happens in.
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  Speaker 3: The 2026 midterms. I really I will say it again.
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  Speaker 1: If the Democratic Party had decided to launch in 2014,
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  Speaker 1: like the the worst double agent in the history of
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  Speaker 1: political history, they could not have drawn up anybody better
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  Speaker 1: than Donald Trump, because for Donald Trump to take this
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  Speaker 1: stand right now, when, as you said, and I can
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  Speaker 1: tell you, everybody is.
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  Speaker 3: Talking about this issue. And he's gone, what me? Worry?
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  Speaker 3: Don't worry. Be happy. Don't worry. Don't worry, fella. It's
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  Speaker 3: like Saddam Hussein in South Park. Don't worry, fella. Everything's
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  Speaker 3: going to be OK. We're worried. We are worried.
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  Speaker 1: And this is the worst take that he could possibly have,
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  Speaker 1: not only for our safety, not only for, hopefully, the
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  Speaker 1: continued excelling of this industry. but also for the Republicans'
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  Speaker 1: fortunes a month and a half from now.
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  Speaker 6: It is striking how out of step he is right now.
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  Speaker 6: First one beat on China. Just yesterday, a report from
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  Speaker 6: the New York Times that China's top spy chief warned
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  Speaker 6: Xi Jinping about AI, saying it's a threat to Chinese
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  Speaker 6: communist rule. That is not necessarily about the end of humanity,
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  Speaker 6: but it could undermine their power because of things like
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  Speaker 6: you know, fakes and the algorithms and so on and
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  Speaker 6: the way they can mobilize protest and opposition to him.
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  Speaker 3: So that's number one.
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  Speaker 6: So this would seem to be an opportunity for Trump
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  Speaker 6: and Xi to get together to talk about AI. And conveniently,
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  Speaker 6: they're meeting next week. They're meeting next week for a
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  Speaker 6: summit in Washington. But what we saw yesterday from President
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  Speaker 6: Trump shows he has, at least right now, zero interest
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  Speaker 6: in putting any regulations on this industry at all. I
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  Speaker 6: wrote a piece yesterday, came out last night for The
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  Speaker 6: Atlantic on this very topic that it is the topic
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  Speaker 6: of conversation in recent days.
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  Speaker 3: People want guidelines. Industry leaders want guidelines.
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  Speaker 6: Trump, in a series of increasingly deranged true social posts,
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  Speaker 6: I think by the last count, six or seven yesterday,
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  Speaker 6: all full-throated defensive AI. He doesn't want to have any
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  Speaker 6: slowdowns at all because he is concerned about China. But
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  Speaker 6: more than that, I'm told he's concerned about what it
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  Speaker 6: could do to the stock market, which, of course, is
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  Speaker 6: his measure today. of the nation's economic health, and he
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  Speaker 6: doesn't want the bubble to burst.
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  Speaker 1: Well, again, the stupidity of all this is that, of course,
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  Speaker 1: if you have reasonable regulations, that will actually help the
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  Speaker 1: stock market go up. The stock market actually went up
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  Speaker 1: when it looked like interest rates might go up. Because
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  Speaker 1: you actually would stop runaway inflation. So this whole idea,
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  Speaker 1: give them absolutely everything that they want. No regulations whatsoever.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that's a big difference from overregulating or the
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  Speaker 1: stories that we heard out of the Biden White House.
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  Speaker 1: There is, you know, middle ground somewhere there.
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