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Let Them Eat Cake | Marie Antoinette · Beheaded

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SPEAKER_00: Hello, and welcome to Beheaded, a comedic podcast about historical executions.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm Megan Moore and I'm Elizabeth Flack.
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SPEAKER_01: And in each episode, Elizabeth and I are going to dive into some of the most gruesome details of executions, spanning from all different eras and parts of the world.
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SPEAKER_00: From ancient Greeks all the way to World War II, we're going to explore the darkest details of the stories that you think you know, including all of your favorite main characters from the Tudor dynasty.
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SPEAKER_00: Of course, of course.
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SPEAKER_00: I promise if you get through the first couple of episodes with some questionable audio quality, you'll officially become an executionado.
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SPEAKER_01: So subscribe, listen, and follow along with our Instagram.
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SPEAKER_01: And of course, don't lose your head.
0:57
SPEAKER_01: Hello, and welcome to our very first episode of Beheaded.
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SPEAKER_01: Beheaded.
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SPEAKER_01: I am Megan Moore.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm Elizabeth Black.
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SPEAKER_01: And we are here to talk about the disgusting stories of death and torture.
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SPEAKER_01: Execution.
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SPEAKER_00: Execution.
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SPEAKER_00: Very light subject.
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SPEAKER_00: It's very light.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: This is really great.
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SPEAKER_00: It's fun.
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SPEAKER_00: All these things are fun.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay, so this is again our very first episode.
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SPEAKER_01: So we are figuring out how to do this.
1:28
SPEAKER_01: Um, but we have a ton of people in history who were executed in the most uh atrocious of ways.
1:36
SPEAKER_01: And it's time we talk about them.
1:38
SPEAKER_01: What do you think, Elizabeth?
1:39
SPEAKER_00: I think that's a good idea.
1:40
SPEAKER_00: I think it's uh it's something that's under talked about.
1:43
SPEAKER_00: I think we all get excited for you know current modern American crime and gruesome stories, you know, from serial killers over time.
1:51
SPEAKER_00: But I feel like execution in its uh at its core is something that we don't talk about enough.
1:56
SPEAKER_00: Especially in the medieval era.
1:59
SPEAKER_00: My favorite.
1:59
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, oh yeah.
2:00
SPEAKER_01: So we've been talking about this podcast for a few months now.
2:04
SPEAKER_01: I think it was like back in April or so that I first said I wanted to do this.
2:08
SPEAKER_01: And and the to kind of give you some background of how we came up with this.
2:13
SPEAKER_01: So I love history, I love British history, I love the tutors, I love all the creepy stories.
2:22
SPEAKER_01: And I got to thinking, like, what is what is it that I really love about these stories?
2:26
SPEAKER_01: And I think we would be fooling ourselves if we said we didn't love the executions.
2:32
SPEAKER_00: Absolutely, no.
2:34
SPEAKER_00: Megan and I have known each other for a few years now, and uh we went to a Renaissance fair together last year.
2:41
SPEAKER_00: Um, shout out Arizona Ren Fair.
2:44
SPEAKER_00: And uh it was funny because it was the first time we'd really hung out outside of where we work normally, um, just getting to know each other.
2:51
SPEAKER_00: Uh Megan has her dress that was more expensive than her wedding dress.
2:56
SPEAKER_00: She was elaborate.
2:57
SPEAKER_00: It's quite shout out, was it Pendragon?
3:01
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Pendragon costumes, if you ever listened to this.
3:04
SPEAKER_01: Um, amazing dresses.
3:07
SPEAKER_00: So we're prancing around at the Renfair, and uh there was a torture museum at the Renfair, uh, and we were enthralled.
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SPEAKER_00: We paid extra to go in.
3:15
SPEAKER_00: Why wouldn't you?
3:16
SPEAKER_00: Why wouldn't you?
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SPEAKER_00: And it was like the spookiest wax museum you'd ever seen.
3:20
SPEAKER_00: And it just has so cheesy, but the worst mannequins.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, very, very cheesy, but also just so gruesome, like things that you would never think of.
3:29
SPEAKER_00: Like it's crazy to think that people came up with these devices with these ways.
3:33
SPEAKER_00: Like tell me your favorites, but I remember the one that stuck with me the most.
3:37
SPEAKER_00: Oh god, I can't even think about it.
3:39
SPEAKER_00: But it was uh where a person would lay down and they put a cage on your stomach.
3:44
SPEAKER_00: And are you talking about the rats?
3:46
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and there was rats and the cage, and what they would do is they just keep kept making the cage hotter and hotter so that the rats had no choice but to burrow into your stomach.
3:56
SPEAKER_00: And so basically ate things from the inside out.
3:59
SPEAKER_01: I feel like okay, that should be something we should look into in this podcast.
4:03
SPEAKER_01: Uh, who invented these torture devices and what kind of sick who even thinks of let's have a rat get buried in their stomach?
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SPEAKER_00: That sounds like a great way to get a truth out of someone.
4:14
SPEAKER_00: That one that one sat with me for a while.
4:16
SPEAKER_00: Um, I think you said I don't know if this was your favorite, but did you like the one where they were hanging upside down?
4:20
SPEAKER_00: You remember the thing?
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SPEAKER_00: And they sawed them down the middle?
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SPEAKER_01: And the reason why starting at the butthole.
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SPEAKER_00: The reason why they're upside down is because you don't pass out from shock.
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SPEAKER_00: They said it keeps it.
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SPEAKER_00: The blood goes back.
4:31
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it goes to the head, it keeps you awake.
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SPEAKER_00: So you can't just like, you know, after a few incisions, you're like, oh, and your body passes out.
4:37
SPEAKER_00: No, you you are awake in a lot of things.
4:39
SPEAKER_00: That's the word.
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SPEAKER_01: Imagine like that's like throwing water on you every time you start to pass out, which I'm sure they did.
4:44
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
4:45
SPEAKER_01: So so some of the things we're gonna get into with this podcast, here's the gist.
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SPEAKER_01: Each episode is gonna be about a famous execution.
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SPEAKER_01: We're also gonna have little segments like name that torture device and go into more of the nitty-gritty about the executioners, you know, get to the real details of it.
5:04
SPEAKER_01: So, um, first and foremost, I have to send out a disclosure.
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SPEAKER_01: I am in no way a professional historian.
5:11
SPEAKER_01: I do not have my PhD, I'm in customer service.
5:14
SPEAKER_01: Like, this isn't this isn't what I'm um professional at.
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SPEAKER_01: I do not have all the facts.
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SPEAKER_01: If I I will 99.9% say things wrong, not to discredit everything I'm about to say moving forward, but please correct us.
5:30
SPEAKER_01: Like, we're we're here to learn, we're all here to learn.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm sharing mostly what I've learned from books and you know, TV shows and documentaries and movies.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, but yeah, we are we want to learn more about this, so and I'm steps behind Megan, whereas I just am an enthusiast with hardly any knowledge.
5:49
SPEAKER_00: She just loves that.
5:50
SPEAKER_00: And I basically love darkness.
5:53
SPEAKER_00: No, I love history too.
5:54
SPEAKER_00: I've I've always loved history.
5:56
SPEAKER_00: I was an American history major, um, which is funny because none of this is gonna well, we might go to the show.
6:00
SPEAKER_01: There will be some sandwich trials.
6:03
SPEAKER_01: We will get into that.
6:04
SPEAKER_00: Foreshadowing.
6:05
SPEAKER_01: Yes, foreshadowing.
6:07
SPEAKER_01: Uh, we're also down for recommendations.
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SPEAKER_01: So we have a very fun list.
6:10
SPEAKER_01: I have my favorites.
6:12
SPEAKER_01: I don't want to get to my favorites right away because what's the fun in that?
6:16
SPEAKER_01: Um, so Elizabeth and I have gone back and forth for months on the name of this podcast.
6:22
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
6:22
SPEAKER_00: Um, we had some good candidates.
6:24
SPEAKER_00: Most of them were taken.
6:25
SPEAKER_00: We were actually pretty upset that some were taken that we thought were.
6:28
SPEAKER_00: Let's just talk about it.
6:29
SPEAKER_01: Um, Heads will roll.
6:30
SPEAKER_01: Sure, it's a great podcast.
6:32
SPEAKER_01: We'll absolutely um, you know, promote them and probably listen to it.
6:37
SPEAKER_01: But the fact that they came out with that boom right when I made my logo.
6:41
SPEAKER_00: We literally we talked about it.
6:43
SPEAKER_00: I I think I was the one that came up with the name, but we you already had the logo.
6:47
SPEAKER_00: We were in the you came up with that.
6:49
SPEAKER_00: We were like, oh my god, yes, like heads will roll.
6:52
SPEAKER_00: This is beautiful, some Alice in Wonderland ringings in it, but uh yeah, no, we found out quickly that someone Lady Kate McKinnon's to the boy, way more popular and financially stable than us.
7:06
SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
7:06
SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
7:06
SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's in the eye of the beholder, really.
7:09
SPEAKER_01: Um, so one of the names we came up with was the guillotine.
7:13
SPEAKER_01: Yes, also good.
7:14
SPEAKER_01: Still good, still contender.
7:16
SPEAKER_01: If we get strong feedback, I'm down to change it.
7:18
SPEAKER_00: Maybe that's not a bad one.
7:20
SPEAKER_00: Behead's pretty strong.
7:21
SPEAKER_00: I like it because it's to the point like you get it.
7:25
SPEAKER_00: Guillotine.
7:26
SPEAKER_00: I think the issue we had with guillotine, guillotine is that is the fact that nobody really has a, I don't know, confirmed how did I say it?
7:35
SPEAKER_00: Was I saying I said guillotine.
7:37
SPEAKER_00: I say guillotine, I think.
7:39
SPEAKER_00: I think you say guillotine, but a lot of people do say guillotine.
7:41
SPEAKER_00: And I think it turns people off.
7:42
SPEAKER_00: It's like you're in one camp or the other.
7:44
SPEAKER_00: Tomato tomato.
7:44
SPEAKER_00: Tomato tomato.
7:45
SPEAKER_00: Tomatoes do not exist in this world.
7:47
SPEAKER_00: No, agreed.
7:48
SPEAKER_00: So it's guillotine.
7:49
SPEAKER_01: But it's probably the British, and we're gonna talk a lot about the Brit, so we should probably be their friends.
7:53
SPEAKER_01: Looking for you, all of you.
7:55
SPEAKER_01: So uh so we like the guillotine, and so wait, one more, one more week.
7:59
SPEAKER_01: Oh, we had another one.
8:00
SPEAKER_00: Drawn and Quartered was another one, the hot candidate.
8:03
SPEAKER_00: And um, Megan's husband came up with a great little logo.
8:06
SPEAKER_00: Yes, it's cute because he draws like a third grader, but it was like oh sorry, Jake.
8:10
SPEAKER_00: It was on a napkin and a bar.
8:12
SPEAKER_00: It was on a napkin and a bar, and it was a sword and like an axe, and they were like crossing each other, and each quadrant of their little cross sections, their little quadrants, it said I think like D and Q, like drawing cords.
8:23
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, D and Q, drawing corded.
8:24
SPEAKER_00: It was very cool.
8:25
SPEAKER_00: We liked it.
8:25
SPEAKER_00: Cool, but and our whole thing was well, draw and corded means we're gonna like dissect things, we're gonna go into the dirty details, let it apart, let apart.
8:33
SPEAKER_00: But but again, I think the headed is simple, it makes sense, and that's the background on our name.
8:39
SPEAKER_01: So with the guillotine, which was our what we were literally up until about an hour ago, we were gonna call this, and then I I kind of changed things a little bit, maybe.
8:49
SPEAKER_01: But we needed to talk about one of the most famous guillotine executions ever.
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SPEAKER_01: Of course, which is Marie Antoinette.
8:57
SPEAKER_01: Marie Antoinette.
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SPEAKER_01: She is the star of our first ever episode.
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SPEAKER_01: Miss Marie.
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SPEAKER_01: Which, by the way, I think I have a name for the title that we should call this.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh, yes, go.
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SPEAKER_00: Let them eat cake.
9:08
SPEAKER_00: Of course.
9:09
SPEAKER_00: Oh, I I wish I could say that in French.
9:11
SPEAKER_00: I just started doing Duolingo French yesterday.
9:13
SPEAKER_00: Oh, really?
9:14
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yes.
9:14
SPEAKER_00: I was gonna say, why haven't I heard of my because I only saw you just now?
9:18
SPEAKER_00: I'm on the basics and I just graduated to greetings.
9:21
SPEAKER_01: Can you please translate for me then?
9:22
SPEAKER_00: Well, no, I was actually looking this up about her quote and it had the French translation, and I'm going to butcher this because I am a day into Duolingo.
9:30
SPEAKER_00: It's I can't even torture it.
9:34
SPEAKER_00: Part of it might be accurate.
9:35
SPEAKER_00: I do not speak French.
9:36
SPEAKER_00: I've I've never tried, but this is Quiz Mandet de la Brioche, which sounds like a mashup of Italian.
9:45
SPEAKER_01: That's Elizabeth's very first um French French ever.
9:49
SPEAKER_01: French sentence.
9:50
SPEAKER_00: I'm pretty sure that's accurate, though.
9:51
SPEAKER_00: I think I nailed it.
9:52
SPEAKER_01: Okay, uh, we'll move on.
9:54
SPEAKER_01: Um Miss Marie Marie Antoinette.
9:58
SPEAKER_01: Marie Antoinette.
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SPEAKER_01: So we can of course talk a little bit about her general life.
10:03
SPEAKER_01: I know um it's gonna be important to talk about her execution, but we really want to focus on how she lost her head.
10:09
SPEAKER_01: Yes, which started in the ending, but she loses her head.
10:12
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, surprise.
10:13
SPEAKER_00: I know.
10:13
SPEAKER_00: Surprise, surprise.
10:15
SPEAKER_00: We get to punch lines quick on this podcast.
10:17
SPEAKER_01: So we get straight, we get straight to it.
10:20
SPEAKER_01: So, Miss Marie, I don't know why I call her that.
10:23
SPEAKER_01: She's a queen.
10:24
SPEAKER_01: Queen.
10:24
SPEAKER_01: So I I love these executions about queens because it's just this idea that someone who was once so prestigious and was so high ranking, and people couldn't even look at her in the eyes if they weren't of her level.
10:39
SPEAKER_01: And then they're here she is at one year, you know, one day, and she's in rags and getting her head cut off.
10:47
SPEAKER_01: It's yeah, it baffles me.
10:48
SPEAKER_01: We'll have a lot of queens on this podcast.
10:50
SPEAKER_01: A lot of queens.
10:51
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they weren't treated very nicely towards the end of their life, most of them.
10:54
SPEAKER_01: No, well, uh a lot.
10:56
SPEAKER_01: We're uh a few specifics we're thinking of.
10:58
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know, we're gonna we have to get into eventually Anne Bolyn, Mary Queen of Scots, Katherine Howard.
11:03
SPEAKER_01: It'll it'll all come.
11:04
SPEAKER_01: But today is Marie Antoinette's day.
11:06
SPEAKER_00: We have some surprise facts about our own ancestry that has linked us throughout the ages together, so uh stay tuned for that.
11:13
SPEAKER_01: One reason Elizabeth and I thrive on this.
11:17
SPEAKER_00: And and fun fact too, uh, I was told since I was a very young girl that I was related to a queen who was beheaded, and um, we'll get to that later, that's a whole nother component.
11:27
SPEAKER_00: But when I was a kid, when I was young, between early teens, I immediately assumed it was Marie Antoinette because we had a little bit of French in our background.
11:35
SPEAKER_00: Um, my grandma's also really bad at history, so she actually couldn't name the queen for a long time.
11:40
SPEAKER_00: She's like, the one that got her head cut off.
11:42
SPEAKER_00: That one, you know, the one, the only one.
11:44
SPEAKER_00: And so as a kid, I was like, oh, Marie Antoinette, of course.
11:47
SPEAKER_00: Because that was the only one I really knew.
11:48
SPEAKER_00: And you know, shout out Curse and Dunce.
11:50
SPEAKER_01: Curse and Dunce.
11:52
SPEAKER_01: I love that movie.
11:53
SPEAKER_01: We were just talking about that before we started this.
11:55
SPEAKER_01: So um, I have it on DVD, so that's all the thing.
12:00
SPEAKER_00: It's 2019.
12:01
SPEAKER_00: We own a lot of DVDs.
12:03
SPEAKER_01: Um, I okay, that movie is so quirky, yeah, and but Curse and Dunce, of course, American, but does such a good job in it, and it's so like modernized, it's so colorful, it's just cute and I was so disappointed.
12:17
SPEAKER_01: I remember seeing it in theaters.
12:18
SPEAKER_01: I was 17.
12:19
SPEAKER_01: This came out in like 2007, it's how I remember my year, 17, 2007.
12:23
SPEAKER_00: Oh, and she just revealed our age at the same time.
12:25
SPEAKER_01: Not if you don't know math and you don't know the years 2019.
12:31
SPEAKER_01: Um but oh yeah, I was so disappointed that they never showed her execution.
12:37
SPEAKER_01: No, and I I get it, like artistically, it was purposeful, like they wanted to just highlight and focus on the happy and her life, yeah.
12:46
SPEAKER_01: But I love there's something about an execution scene in a movie that gets me so nervous, and I'm like, yes, and then you just feel so bad for them, and you always have to think like what would I do?
13:01
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and this is something Megan and I talked about right from the get-go was I was like, you know, if it were me being led to the block, I would be kicking and screaming and yelling and cursing at everyone.
13:12
SPEAKER_00: And the first thing she explained to me, she was like, Well, think about it.
13:15
SPEAKER_00: She's like, back in this era, they would destroy your whole family if you didn't like that.
13:19
SPEAKER_01: You had to go out and be composed.
13:21
SPEAKER_01: Well, and also like this is great, we're talking about a queen because like she had to like stay composed.
13:25
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, she had these mannerisms of a queen, and it was like, never let down your like faults and your personality.
13:33
SPEAKER_01: But but no, that's so true.
13:36
SPEAKER_01: So okay, first of all, we're both coughing because Elizabeth just cut up these extremely hot chilies.
13:44
SPEAKER_01: I did, I did.
13:45
SPEAKER_00: They're so hot that you literally, they literally you cough on the air you breathe or something.
13:49
SPEAKER_01: We apologize that we are coughing so much because there's uh we're trying to also have dinner.
13:54
SPEAKER_01: There's fumes in our face of green chilies.
13:57
SPEAKER_01: I mean it smells really good, but it's high contact.
14:00
SPEAKER_01: God, where did you get these from?
14:02
SPEAKER_00: Did you go to Tijuana?
14:04
SPEAKER_00: I just think that I didn't.
14:06
SPEAKER_00: We're located in the southwest.
14:07
SPEAKER_00: We have access to the uh the finest chilies in the world, but they are spicy.
14:12
SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
14:14
SPEAKER_01: It's a good thing we have wine on this table.
14:16
SPEAKER_01: We do.
14:16
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm gonna say there's no water on this table, there's just wine.
14:19
SPEAKER_01: Um, anyways, I was saying, so one of the things we'll really hone in on is how so many of these prestigious, you know, royalty and people of high class getting executed.
14:34
SPEAKER_01: People think it's weird that they have these speeches you know, thanking the king and apologizing, and very rarely will you get the kicking and screaming unless it's of really like lower class people who have nothing to lose.
14:49
SPEAKER_01: Because it's true.
14:50
SPEAKER_01: If if you denounce the king, make this big scene, and um, oh god, there's so much I want to like now.
14:58
SPEAKER_01: I'm like starting to get into other people that I I have to like you have to stop me when I do like the last part and then um but yeah, so if you did all that, like you still have your family to think of, and your whole purpose was make sure that they're well off, make sure that they have money, make sure that they have land, and there's the risk of them losing everything and also being sent to the block or whatever.
15:21
SPEAKER_00: So um if it were me, I'd come up with some ultra passive aggressive ways to say I'm sorry.
15:27
SPEAKER_00: I would just come up with some Slytherin.
15:29
SPEAKER_00: I'm I am uh yeah, true, true fact, I'm a Slytherin.
15:33
SPEAKER_00: Miss Megan is a Hupplepuff.
15:35
SPEAKER_00: So we go to the other world.
15:36
SPEAKER_00: Actually, that combo takes over the world if you don't know that.
15:38
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we will.
15:39
SPEAKER_00: But in true Slytherin fashion, I would just, oh, I would lay in in the nicest of ways.
15:44
SPEAKER_00: I would just be like, oh.
15:46
SPEAKER_00: I would say all these really sneaky rude things that like go over the person's head just just to you know get my last kick without anyone.
15:57
SPEAKER_01: We should make that an episode if we had to write an execution speech.
16:00
SPEAKER_01: What would our speech be?
16:01
SPEAKER_01: I love the speeches.
16:02
SPEAKER_01: Okay, let's let's start off with that.
16:04
SPEAKER_01: Let's start off with Marie Antoinette.
16:06
SPEAKER_01: Actually, she didn't say a speech.
16:08
SPEAKER_01: I take that back.
16:08
SPEAKER_01: Just kidding.
16:09
SPEAKER_01: Which we'll we'll get into.
16:10
SPEAKER_01: Um, which is interesting that she didn't have a speech.
16:13
SPEAKER_01: Um but this is one thing that she did say.
16:16
SPEAKER_01: I don't know when she said this, so again, the facts.
16:20
SPEAKER_01: But she said, I was a queen and you took away my crown, a wife, and you killed my husband, a mother, and you deprived me of my children.
16:31
SPEAKER_01: My blood alone remains.
16:33
SPEAKER_01: Take it, but do not make me suffer long.
16:37
SPEAKER_01: She is reported to have said that after the prosecutor read her indictment to her.
16:41
SPEAKER_01: So there's there's the fact.
16:47
SPEAKER_00: I don't know if I could come up with that quite on the fly.
16:49
SPEAKER_01: I feel like they were more poetic back then thanks to it.
16:52
SPEAKER_01: I always wonder.
16:53
SPEAKER_01: I always wonder.
16:54
SPEAKER_01: That's what I would say.
16:55
SPEAKER_00: Is it is it poetic because we romanticize the past?
16:58
SPEAKER_00: Like, do we just assume they are more poetic?
17:01
SPEAKER_00: Because she probably had a lot of time to think about that.
17:03
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
17:04
SPEAKER_00: I guess maybe you have less less distractions in that world.
17:06
SPEAKER_00: Like you don't have all the craziness of today with your screens and everything blowing up in your face all the time.
17:12
SPEAKER_00: So maybe it's more time to be more thoughtful and intentional with your language.
17:15
SPEAKER_00: That could be start doing that.
17:17
SPEAKER_01: Let's just start.
17:18
SPEAKER_01: We'll we'll we'll just speak in poetry.
17:20
SPEAKER_01: Like we're trying to do something for when I get an angry customer, I'll be like, you shall be thinking about it.
17:28
SPEAKER_01: You shout at me not to think your words hurt my blood, but they will not tarnish my soul.
17:35
SPEAKER_01: Tarnish myself.
17:37
SPEAKER_01: Alright, so yeah, we're thinking about it.
17:39
SPEAKER_01: Marie Antoinette.
17:42
SPEAKER_00: Going back to Marie Antoinette, so again, we're we're focusing on executions here, but just to touch on her life uh a little bit.
17:48
SPEAKER_00: She was born in Austria.
17:50
SPEAKER_00: She's Austrian, um, came into the French court at a very young age, uh, Mary King Louis when she was 14 years old, um, and really was just a you know a pawn in a large political royal chess game.
18:02
SPEAKER_00: Um, but because Louis was so weak, impotent, terrible, uh, just overall.
18:10
SPEAKER_00: I didn't know that, did you?
18:11
SPEAKER_00: Did you know the guy?
18:12
SPEAKER_00: I didn't know the guy, but just saying, you know, she had to be more vocal than I think women would have had to have been back then uh because she was compensating for the weaknesses of her husband.
18:21
SPEAKER_00: So she didn't she didn't particularly care for politics that we know of.
18:25
SPEAKER_00: She wasn't, you know, super into being strategic and maneuvering her way through society.
18:30
SPEAKER_00: It was really just she liked to have a great time with her with her favorites, with her friends.
18:35
SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, when she became a mother, she became a little more motherly and settled down a bit, but she really wasn't looking for a lot for political gain.
18:42
SPEAKER_00: She just was really there to survive and overshadow the you know, default or the um overshadow kind of the incompetencies of her husband.
18:52
SPEAKER_01: Well, let's talk about the fact that like uh he he couldn't get it up for like five years.
18:57
SPEAKER_00: She was childless for quite a long time.
18:59
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I know.
18:59
SPEAKER_00: There's a lot of rumors circulating uh because you know, because I don't think he consummated the narrow impotent impotent, impotent as well, it's also correct.
19:09
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's just like my French.
19:11
SPEAKER_00: Imp impotent.
19:13
SPEAKER_00: Impotent.
19:14
SPEAKER_00: Um even his brothers, I think, were circulating rumors of like, you know, his his impotence that they you know couldn't have children.
19:22
SPEAKER_00: Uh they were next at the a uh in line for the throne if they couldn't have uh a son.
19:28
SPEAKER_00: So so yeah, I mean she had a lot of pressure, you know.
19:31
SPEAKER_00: It was it's tough on a girl.
19:33
SPEAKER_00: I feel for Marie.
19:34
SPEAKER_01: I feel really stupid right now, and please don't make fun of me.
19:37
SPEAKER_01: I swear I'm educated.
19:38
SPEAKER_01: We are educated.
19:39
SPEAKER_01: So I know it's King Louis IV.
19:41
SPEAKER_01: No, King Louis the Roman numerals.
19:43
SPEAKER_01: Okay, we're trying to talk about the Roman numeral, and I know.
19:45
SPEAKER_01: See, but it's not 15.
19:46
SPEAKER_00: It's 14th.
19:47
SPEAKER_00: So it's for those of you listening and looking at this, perhaps it's X V1, which is Oh, V1 or XV?
19:54
SPEAKER_00: This is X V1.
19:56
SPEAKER_00: The result, the Fort of Memorial.
19:57
SPEAKER_00: I'm looking at Britannica.
20:00
SPEAKER_00: We have to go to Oh no, you're right, you're right, you're right, you're right, you're right.
20:03
SPEAKER_00: I will look at something else.
20:04
SPEAKER_00: Which translate roughly to 1051.
20:08
SPEAKER_00: So Louis Vuitton.
20:09
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
20:10
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
20:10
SPEAKER_00: We can't be then we're kind of going back and forth.
20:12
SPEAKER_00: I called him randomly the 19th, she called him the 14th.
20:15
SPEAKER_00: We don't I'm worse at history.
20:17
SPEAKER_00: I was just trying to read no Roman numerals.
20:20
SPEAKER_00: I'm really now I know which Louis it is.
20:22
SPEAKER_00: Anyway, Louis the 16th.
20:24
SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah, so she had to make up all you know for his faults and kind of play her own game.
20:29
SPEAKER_00: Um, but and it was you know, it was sad as at the end of her life.
20:32
SPEAKER_00: He died before her, he was killed before her.
20:35
SPEAKER_00: Um, her best friend, uh, Princess, and I'm also gonna say her name is.
20:39
SPEAKER_01: Use your French, Elizabeth.
20:40
SPEAKER_01: You're you're learning here, y'all do.
20:42
SPEAKER_00: I'm probably 4% fluent at this point, according to the five.
20:45
SPEAKER_00: Four?
20:45
SPEAKER_00: You think of all four?
20:46
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
20:47
SPEAKER_00: Duoling was very generous.
20:48
SPEAKER_00: I tried to learn Italian for like a month.
20:51
SPEAKER_00: I think we're stuck to 17% in Italian, and it was I was only on like the train station segment.
20:57
SPEAKER_00: So I'm right.
20:58
unknown: Okay.
20:59
SPEAKER_00: Um anyway, I'm struggling to find her name or the pronunciation of her name.
21:04
SPEAKER_01: We can edit that.
21:05
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we can edit that.
21:06
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
21:07
SPEAKER_01: We'll be like, and her best friend.
21:09
SPEAKER_01: In her best friend.
21:10
SPEAKER_00: Princess de Lambelle.
21:12
SPEAKER_00: Lambe.
21:12
SPEAKER_00: There we go.
21:13
SPEAKER_00: Um, Princess de Lambelle, she uh was also killed before Marie Antoinette, and they literally put uh the princess's head on a pike and paraded it outside of where she was staying in Paris, being like, You're next.
21:26
SPEAKER_00: That's terrible.
21:28
SPEAKER_01: Okay, that's like imagine I'm gonna be the queen in this situation.
21:32
SPEAKER_01: I'm the queen.
21:33
SPEAKER_01: And you're my best friend.
21:34
SPEAKER_01: I'm Slytherin, though.
21:35
SPEAKER_01: Remember that.
21:36
SPEAKER_01: Okay, maybe you're the queen.
21:37
SPEAKER_01: You're the queen of us, so I'm the best friend.
21:40
SPEAKER_01: You're the evil queen.
21:41
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, okay.
21:42
SPEAKER_01: Like it.
21:43
SPEAKER_01: Just spending all of France's money, by the way.
21:45
SPEAKER_01: Like it a lot.
21:46
SPEAKER_01: Let the meat cake.
21:48
SPEAKER_01: And eating green chili peppers and zerphone.
21:51
SPEAKER_01: I'm not even eating them, I'm just inhaling the air.
21:54
SPEAKER_01: And then you see my freaking head just like big bounce around through the mob.
22:00
SPEAKER_00: First, at first I would be confused because Megan is a very, like, has very big gestures and in general.
22:05
SPEAKER_00: You would just think it's me.
22:07
SPEAKER_01: Oh, there's just around frolicking through the mob.
22:13
SPEAKER_01: Oh wait, is that her head?
22:15
SPEAKER_01: Oh, oh shit.
22:16
SPEAKER_00: She looks a bit disturbed.
22:17
SPEAKER_00: Oh.
22:18
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
22:18
SPEAKER_00: The rest of her body's not.
22:20
SPEAKER_01: That wasn't technically an execution, though.
22:21
SPEAKER_01: That was a mob, like oh yeah.
22:24
SPEAKER_01: Literally attacked her.
22:26
SPEAKER_00: Did it say how she was killed?
22:28
SPEAKER_01: From what I heard, she was.
22:29
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I heard like she was attacked, she was stabbed a bunch, and then they took off her head in the process.
22:35
SPEAKER_01: I don't know how.
22:36
SPEAKER_01: Well, I mean, who needs our imagination?
22:38
SPEAKER_01: People are brutal.
22:38
SPEAKER_00: And sometimes I think of like, oh my gosh, the world is so crazy now.
22:41
SPEAKER_00: Like these days, you know, I get in my like old lady uh mood.
22:45
SPEAKER_00: I immediately think of these things in the past of like, oh yeah, mobs and witch trials and public beheadings, and then I remember, okay, I guess my world's not that still in some places.
22:54
SPEAKER_00: But we won't get into that.
22:56
SPEAKER_00: That's we are not here to talk about it.
22:57
SPEAKER_00: We don't want to be problematic.
22:58
SPEAKER_00: We're not trying to talk about the city.
22:59
SPEAKER_00: We're talking about politics of the 1700s.
23:01
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we're trying to get into history.
23:03
SPEAKER_01: So I learned something today about Maria Toinette.
23:06
SPEAKER_01: I was under the impression that her and her dear Louis XVI died fairly closely to each other.
23:12
SPEAKER_01: So he was actually executed in January, on January 21st, months before her.
23:17
SPEAKER_00: She was October, right?
23:19
SPEAKER_01: She was October.
23:20
SPEAKER_00: Man.
23:20
SPEAKER_01: So in August of 1793, that is when Marie Antoinette was first imprisoned and ready to be put on trial.
23:31
SPEAKER_01: So she was actually in imprisoned for about two and a half months in Temple Prison, I believe, in Paris.
23:39
SPEAKER_01: Again.
23:40
SPEAKER_00: Maybe we should go really quick just into why she was.
23:45
SPEAKER_01: I'm all about the blood.
23:46
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we the blood is the bulk of it, but just so those of you who don't really know the background.
23:51
SPEAKER_01: I mean, just watch the movie, my god.
23:53
SPEAKER_01: Watch the movie.
23:54
SPEAKER_00: You're not gonna learn it here.
23:56
SPEAKER_01: This is not where you want to get the facts.
23:58
SPEAKER_01: We're only talking about blood and torture.
24:01
SPEAKER_00: Um essentially, I mean, the whole I mean, she was the last monarch, right, before the French Revolution.
24:07
SPEAKER_00: So they already, it wasn't that she had created all of these issues.
24:11
SPEAKER_00: I mean, she had some frivolous spending, sure, but it wasn't like a huge dent in terms of the whole economy.
24:16
SPEAKER_00: Um but people saw that and were like, see, this is why we can't have monarchs, this is why, like, they're so ridiculous with their spending, you know.
24:24
SPEAKER_00: So it was just a giant, obviously it's a French Revolution, it's a giant revolt.
24:27
SPEAKER_01: Um well, you know what's funny is I learned that the French Revolution itself, which was caused over like the like fear of monarchies and fury over their high spending, the French Revolution itself costs more than all of Marie Antoine's spending.
24:43
SPEAKER_01: So if they had just been okay with that and been like, okay, she's a bougie bitch, and let her do her thing, and okay, fine, have big wings and hats.
24:50
SPEAKER_01: Right.
24:51
SPEAKER_01: They could have avoided all of this again.
24:54
SPEAKER_01: Not revolutionable.
24:56
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they were very strong.
24:57
SPEAKER_00: I mean I mean, according to Le Maze, they they didn't care about their furniture, dude.
25:01
SPEAKER_00: They just threw it all out.
25:02
SPEAKER_00: Windows.
25:02
SPEAKER_00: Threw it all out windows.
25:03
SPEAKER_00: That was after though, right?
25:06
SPEAKER_00: I thought Le Maze was during the French report.
25:09
SPEAKER_00: That was the French remote.
25:10
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like that's what's the whole like Bastille Day, right?
25:13
SPEAKER_01: No, Bastille Day was before.
25:14
SPEAKER_01: See, this is we can edit all of this.
25:17
SPEAKER_01: Or we could just have you guys tell us that we can't.
25:19
SPEAKER_00: We're gonna start.
25:20
SPEAKER_00: We'll make edits, we'll be like, oh by the way, three episodes ago, we didn't know what we're talking about.
25:23
SPEAKER_00: Now we know.
25:24
SPEAKER_00: This is all about learning.
25:26
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's about our passion.
25:27
SPEAKER_01: You learned so she was a bouchement.
25:31
SPEAKER_01: They didn't like her.
25:32
SPEAKER_01: They the monarchy was abolished September 21st.
25:37
SPEAKER_01: Oh yes.
25:39
SPEAKER_01: Um, I don't know what year.
25:40
SPEAKER_01: It's really important.
25:41
SPEAKER_01: 1793.
25:43
SPEAKER_01: 92, 92, because because then Louis was poor Louis was executed in January, and then so this is the sad part.
25:51
SPEAKER_01: So Marie Antoinette altogether had four kids.
25:53
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
25:54
SPEAKER_01: Two of them died because they were weaklings, and then this is Sparta, also, and then two of them survived, sort of, well, they were imprisoned, and then one of them died from tuberculosis, basically from prison, though.
26:12
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
26:12
SPEAKER_01: So so Marie's not that happy, so she gets imprisoned in Paris, and I find this amazing because we hear stories, you know, we've talked about the tutors and all of that, but when those queens are imprisoned, it's a pretty nice, like, hotel standard living prison style.
26:31
SPEAKER_01: Right.
26:32
SPEAKER_01: Like they're not allowed to leave, so they're on house arrest, but they're not gonna be able to do that.
26:36
SPEAKER_01: It's like ARP house arrests.
26:37
SPEAKER_01: Like stay in your tower, but you still have nice things.
26:39
SPEAKER_01: But not Marie Antoinette, she was in a freaking prison.
26:43
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so she spent about two and a half months in just horrible, disgusting conditions.
26:47
SPEAKER_01: There was slime and rats and infection all over the place.
26:51
SPEAKER_01: It's already the 1700, so it's not like, oh yeah, it's already freaking masty, no wants to be there.
26:56
SPEAKER_01: Um, and then we're gonna let Elizabeth call chili peppers.
27:03
SPEAKER_01: We're gonna learn this, by the way.
27:05
SPEAKER_01: This is our first podcast.
27:07
SPEAKER_01: I died.
27:08
SPEAKER_01: We're gonna know, okay, no chilies.
27:09
SPEAKER_01: Chili peppers.
27:12
SPEAKER_01: It is you know, you love and learn.
27:13
SPEAKER_01: This is what we're here for.
27:14
SPEAKER_01: You're not supposed to be in here.
27:16
SPEAKER_01: She was given a pillow, a small table, two straw straw chairs, whatever fuck a straw chair is.
27:23
SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
27:23
SPEAKER_01: I think it's a chair made straw.
27:25
SPEAKER_01: You envisioned that?
27:27
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
27:28
SPEAKER_01: By the way, I'm this is my fashion.
27:30
SPEAKER_01: History extra.com, a great website.
27:32
SPEAKER_01: Britannica and Wikipedia were my main resources.
27:35
SPEAKER_01: Wikipedia.
27:36
SPEAKER_01: We're credible people.
27:38
SPEAKER_01: We are, hey.
27:39
SPEAKER_01: Have you ever changed okay, sidetracked?
27:41
SPEAKER_01: Have you ever just changed?
27:42
SPEAKER_01: I have not personally, but I enjoy when people do.
27:45
SPEAKER_01: Have you ever changed a Wikipedia page to win an argument?
27:50
SPEAKER_00: I no, but I'll put that in my back pocket.
27:54
SPEAKER_00: Like when you're like, no, it was on 1793.
27:58
SPEAKER_00: And then you excuse yourself to use the restroom one second.
28:00
SPEAKER_00: And then changes and change it back really quick before anyway.
28:03
SPEAKER_00: See, it says Louis XIX right here.
28:05
SPEAKER_01: Right here.
28:06
SPEAKER_01: It was Louis the 19th.
28:08
SPEAKER_01: And then every book report is wrong.
28:11
SPEAKER_00: Oh how do kids do book reports?
28:14
SPEAKER_00: Sorry, side note, without Wikipedia.
28:16
SPEAKER_00: No, no, no.
28:17
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I, you know, we already revealed our age.
28:20
SPEAKER_00: We were we were um 30-ish, 30-ish.
28:24
SPEAKER_00: High 20s, low 30s, who's counting?
28:26
SPEAKER_00: Anyway.
28:27
SPEAKER_00: I'm 29, I'll be 30 in about her big 30s coming up.
28:32
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
28:32
SPEAKER_00: Um, I'm gonna turn 30 again, crazy this year.
28:36
SPEAKER_00: Um anyway, I lost my train of thought.
28:40
SPEAKER_00: Uh, kids.
28:40
SPEAKER_00: Book reports.
28:40
SPEAKER_00: Book reports.
28:41
SPEAKER_00: I'm just saying, so back in my day, I mean, we didn't even have the internet on my computer until I was like 12.
28:47
SPEAKER_00: We had a computer just for word processing, so we have reports.
28:52
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, obviously, MindSweep.
28:54
SPEAKER_00: Um, we had an Encarta 98 CD, then that was like a built-in encyclopedia.
29:01
SPEAKER_00: So every member.
29:03
SPEAKER_00: Every book report I ever had, because they're like, you need to have some online references.
29:06
SPEAKER_00: I was like, I don't have online anything.
29:08
SPEAKER_00: So I What is a library for?
29:10
SPEAKER_00: So I didn't, yeah, Lexus Nexus in the library.
29:13
SPEAKER_00: Um so I had to go and get my Encarta CD, and that was my only reference for all of my book reports, and then I would just have to go to the library and get books like they used to do back in the day.
29:21
SPEAKER_00: So I don't know how kids now don't get caught for plagiarism and things all the time.
29:25
SPEAKER_00: We can literally just copy paste all this information.
29:27
SPEAKER_00: Like, I guess.
29:28
SPEAKER_01: That's what I'm doing right now.
29:29
SPEAKER_01: This entire podcast is about in page.
29:31
SPEAKER_00: I guess what we are doing in book report now.
29:34
SPEAKER_00: Now we know what the kids do these days.
29:35
SPEAKER_00: Oh my god, I'm five minutes before class.
29:37
SPEAKER_00: Like, I've got to go on a computer.
29:38
SPEAKER_01: Mrs.
29:38
SPEAKER_01: Gagnon's so proud of me.
29:40
SPEAKER_00: Oh, shout out.
29:41
SPEAKER_01: Oh Mrs.
29:42
SPEAKER_00: Gagan.
29:43
SPEAKER_01: Gagnon?
29:44
SPEAKER_01: Oh, Gagan.
29:45
SPEAKER_00: I heard it.
29:52
SPEAKER_01: It's all coming back.
29:53
SPEAKER_01: It's all coming back to me.
29:56
SPEAKER_01: Alright, so she's in prison.
29:58
SPEAKER_01: Back to Marie Antoinette.
29:59
SPEAKER_01: Back to Marie Antoinette.
30:00
SPEAKER_01: Her son and her daughter are also in prison, but not with her.
30:06
SPEAKER_01: Assholes.
30:07
SPEAKER_01: Rude.
30:08
SPEAKER_01: Um, we talked about her son, he died after the fact.
30:11
SPEAKER_01: Um, so there were plans.
30:12
SPEAKER_01: So I think this is cool too.
30:14
SPEAKER_01: So there's always these wardens of the prisons, and I find recently their husband and wife.
30:21
SPEAKER_01: Oh.
30:21
SPEAKER_01: Wouldn't that be a badass?
30:23
SPEAKER_01: Like, we are husband and wife wardens of the prisons.
30:25
SPEAKER_01: That's crazy.
30:26
SPEAKER_01: So their first wardens were the Richards.
30:28
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
30:28
SPEAKER_01: And the Richards.
30:29
SPEAKER_00: Wait, they had multiple wardens, they were not.
30:31
SPEAKER_00: Oh, there's husband and wife.
30:32
SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
30:33
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
30:33
SPEAKER_00: Continue.
30:34
SPEAKER_01: And they were on Marie's side, from what I can read.
30:39
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
30:39
SPEAKER_01: So they kind of spruced up her food a little bit.
30:42
SPEAKER_01: They tried to get her an escape for a little.
30:45
SPEAKER_01: Slip.
30:46
SPEAKER_01: They also planned to get her out of there.
30:48
SPEAKER_01: They tried to get her escaped.
30:50
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, didn't she have a failed attempt to get out?
30:52
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
30:52
SPEAKER_01: They failed an escape plan.
30:56
SPEAKER_01: And the Richards were actually imprisoned because of it, I think.
31:01
SPEAKER_01: Fact checks.
31:02
SPEAKER_01: Probably also beheaded.
31:04
SPEAKER_00: As was tradition.
31:05
SPEAKER_01: I don't think they went that far.
31:08
SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
31:09
SPEAKER_01: I'm looking at Richard's warden, and it comes up as a chiropractor and scotts sale.
31:16
SPEAKER_01: Never mind.
31:17
SPEAKER_01: Um we should look into that.
31:19
SPEAKER_00: But chiropractor and scot sale.
31:22
SPEAKER_01: That was not them.
31:24
SPEAKER_01: Um, so flash forward a little bit, she gets a new set of warden guards.
31:31
SPEAKER_01: They also were inclined to help her, but in the end, they couldn't deny her fate.
31:37
SPEAKER_01: That was probably a very likable person.
31:39
SPEAKER_00: I feel like if all these people were trying to reach out and, you know, scruce up her food and maybe flip her a pillow.
31:45
SPEAKER_00: I don't know, that's kind of nice.
31:46
SPEAKER_01: I mean, she was quite like I would be her friend.
31:49
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
31:50
SPEAKER_01: I think at first she'd be like kind of fake, like, oh, this girl has like 45 different, like, I don't know, maybe more than 1400 different purses.
31:59
SPEAKER_01: But I feel like I would be her friend in the end.
32:02
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
32:03
SPEAKER_00: Might be prickly at first, but you know, you warm up to her.
32:05
SPEAKER_00: And you probably like, hey, she likes wine, I like wine.
32:08
SPEAKER_00: I mean, we already done seemed freaking cool.
32:10
SPEAKER_01: I would have been her friend.
32:11
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
32:12
SPEAKER_01: Um, mostly for the wig.
32:14
SPEAKER_01: The the wig is pretty cool.
32:16
unknown: Yeah.
32:17
SPEAKER_01: Um, okay, October 14th.
32:20
SPEAKER_01: 15-hour trial.
32:24
SPEAKER_01: And then a 24-hour trial on I'm sorry.
32:30
SPEAKER_01: Okay, so October 14th was 15 hours, and then October 15th and 16th was a 24-hour trial.
32:36
SPEAKER_01: So, really, all of this went down.
32:38
SPEAKER_01: She was she's been in prison two and a half months.
32:41
SPEAKER_01: Her husband's already executed.
32:42
SPEAKER_01: She kind of knows what's coming on.
32:43
SPEAKER_01: Her friend's head's on a pike out there.
32:44
SPEAKER_01: Her friend's head is frolicking around the mall.
32:48
SPEAKER_01: Dismembered.
32:49
SPEAKER_01: Um, so she knows what's coming.
32:51
SPEAKER_01: I think at this point she's mentally prepared for what to expect.
32:54
SPEAKER_01: But it is interesting.
32:55
SPEAKER_01: Her trial took three days in total, and they spent hours and hours with her.
33:01
SPEAKER_01: And this is where it's so different from like now's trials and executions where like you go on the death penalty, and you're like, okay, in 14 years, you may or may not actually this by 4 30 a.m.
33:18
SPEAKER_01: She was sentenced to the guillotine to death, I believe.
33:22
SPEAKER_01: And she's they said that she didn't utter a word.
33:27
SPEAKER_00: That's that's kind of ultimate power move, though.
33:30
SPEAKER_00: I would just hair.
33:31
SPEAKER_00: No word, just you're slithering the state.
33:33
SPEAKER_01: No, I would turn into Jean Valley Jean and be like, I was going to fall through.
33:40
SPEAKER_01: Um just okay.
33:41
SPEAKER_00: Victor Hugo writes the rest of your story.
33:43
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
33:44
SPEAKER_01: Okay, 4 30 a.m.
33:46
SPEAKER_01: sentenced.
33:48
SPEAKER_01: By 12 15 that morning or afternoon, she was dead at the block.
33:55
SPEAKER_01: Oh, at the block.
33:56
SPEAKER_01: At the scaffold, I scaff, I suppose.
33:58
SPEAKER_01: So um, her executioner.
34:01
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
34:02
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, let's see.
34:02
SPEAKER_01: This is a whole thing.
34:03
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
34:04
SPEAKER_01: Sid boy here.
34:05
SPEAKER_01: Executioner's name was Sanson.
34:08
SPEAKER_00: Now he is of an entire like Madonna, just one word.
34:12
SPEAKER_00: Single word.
34:12
SPEAKER_01: Well, that's his last name.
34:13
SPEAKER_01: I should probably get his first name somewhere here.
34:19
SPEAKER_00: Jean Valjean.
34:21
SPEAKER_00: No, just kidding.
34:22
SPEAKER_00: Um, before we get too, let's just talk about real really quick that the guillotine uh was the most modern thing you can use.
34:31
SPEAKER_00: Oh, you know, for you were probably happy.
34:34
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, if you were told.
34:35
SPEAKER_00: Execution tool.
34:37
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you're you're here's your trial, here's your sentence, you're gonna be guillotined.
34:40
SPEAKER_02: She's probably like, okay.
34:42
SPEAKER_00: Like, that's fine.
34:43
SPEAKER_00: It's not like you're gonna make a yeah, it's a for sure thing.
34:47
SPEAKER_00: It's not a botched execution, it's not a heavy axe or sword or anything that's gonna, you know, potentially get caught on things, get on caught on things, caught on things, caught on parts of the neck, you know what I mean?
35:00
SPEAKER_00: I'm just saying it's a clean, it's this nice little and it's over.
35:06
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
35:07
SPEAKER_01: So they even had little toys of guillotines.
35:10
SPEAKER_01: Did you know this?
35:11
SPEAKER_01: They still have toys of guillotines.
35:12
SPEAKER_00: Yes, we looked some up on Etsy.
35:14
SPEAKER_00: I kind of want to buy one.
35:15
SPEAKER_00: I was like, Megan's birthday is around the corner.
35:17
SPEAKER_00: I think for her 30th, she'd like a nice little model guillotine.
35:20
SPEAKER_01: Like a little guillotine?
35:20
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
35:21
SPEAKER_01: So they were on the show in it.
35:23
SPEAKER_01: Like it's like you go to Disneyland, you watch the parade, you get your little miniature toys.
35:27
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like a super dinner.
35:29
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they had guillotines that the kids were playing with with little Marie Antoinette, and you could put her body in there.
35:34
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, is that fact?
35:35
SPEAKER_01: I'm not even kidding with you.
35:37
SPEAKER_01: That I didn't know that.
35:38
SPEAKER_00: That's pretty spooky.
35:39
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
35:39
SPEAKER_00: So instead of like a light up little glow stick at Disney on ice, you get a mini Marie Antoinette doll that you torture and eventually.
35:48
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
35:48
SPEAKER_00: That would be my toy of charts as well.
35:51
SPEAKER_00: Well, I was gonna say, not much has changed, I suppose, with modern Megan.
35:55
SPEAKER_01: Um, but yeah, the guillotine.
35:57
SPEAKER_01: So the guillotine started in the 1700s.
36:00
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
36:01
SPEAKER_01: And fun fact.
36:02
SPEAKER_01: We should do a whole episode on the guillotine.
36:04
SPEAKER_00: We will, yeah, I think we'll get to that.
36:06
SPEAKER_01: When so the last execution on the guillotine.
36:10
SPEAKER_01: 1970s.
36:12
SPEAKER_01: 1977.
36:14
SPEAKER_00: That's weird.
36:16
SPEAKER_01: That's so weird.
36:17
SPEAKER_00: That's very weird.
36:18
SPEAKER_01: But also kind of a badass to be the last person executed.
36:21
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
36:22
SPEAKER_00: I wouldn't mind being the last, I suppose, but to know that that still went on.
36:25
SPEAKER_00: Like, if you were to ask me before I knew that, like, hey, when do you think the guillotine went out of style?
36:29
SPEAKER_00: I'd be like, oh, the 1880s?
36:31
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
36:31
SPEAKER_00: And that to me is like that's modern.
36:33
SPEAKER_00: That's when my university was founded.
36:35
unknown: No.
36:36
SPEAKER_01: But I mean, it's yeah, I know, it's mind-boggling, but that's I mean, that's France for you.
36:43
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's true.
36:45
SPEAKER_00: Have you been to you've been to France?
36:47
SPEAKER_00: No.
36:47
SPEAKER_00: No, I love Paris.
36:49
SPEAKER_00: I've been to Versailles.
36:51
SPEAKER_01: Oh, so you I should know.
36:53
SPEAKER_00: I should have led with that.
36:54
SPEAKER_00: You should have paid attention.
36:56
SPEAKER_00: It was about 10 years ago.
36:57
SPEAKER_00: I was I was studying abroad in college.
36:59
SPEAKER_00: I studied in Athens, but we had a like five days in Paris and had to go to Versailles.
37:04
SPEAKER_00: My god, it was gorgeous.
37:05
SPEAKER_00: Like gold.
37:06
SPEAKER_00: Did you see her bedroom?
37:08
SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah.
37:08
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
37:09
SPEAKER_00: You toured through all the bedrooms and everything.
37:11
SPEAKER_00: And it's so funny the bedrooms, if you've ever been to these types of places, they're so different than you think.
37:15
SPEAKER_00: Like in our current, you know, mindset of oh, it's this big California king, and it's just plush pillows.
37:22
SPEAKER_00: I mean, these things are tiny, they're maybe the size of like a full bed, you know, and they're short.
37:30
SPEAKER_00: They're very short.
37:31
SPEAKER_00: Like I'm a very small petite person, and I feel like my feet would be hanging off the edge of that.
37:36
SPEAKER_00: I don't know how they slept in these things.
37:37
SPEAKER_00: They're very high off the ground.
37:39
SPEAKER_00: They just don't make sense to any kind of, I don't know, person who's into modern bedding today.
37:44
SPEAKER_00: But it was it was beautiful, obviously.
37:46
SPEAKER_00: It's gorgeous.
37:46
SPEAKER_00: Uh we had tea at like her garden house.
37:48
SPEAKER_00: She had this little garden house next to the estate.
37:51
SPEAKER_00: You go you go through the gardens and you look at all the fountains.
37:54
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
37:55
SPEAKER_00: Next to it, we had little tea and tea and compass or whatever it was.
37:58
SPEAKER_00: That's that's British, but you know, whatever they have in France.
38:00
SPEAKER_00: It was wonderful.
38:01
SPEAKER_00: If you ever get a chance, please go.
38:03
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
38:04
SPEAKER_01: Okay, well, uh back to Marie.
38:08
SPEAKER_01: So Charles Henry Sanson.
38:13
SPEAKER_02: So this is what I'm doing.
38:15
SPEAKER_01: I think it's actually Henry Sanson.
38:16
SPEAKER_01: Charles Henry was his father.
38:18
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
38:19
SPEAKER_01: Henry Sanson, his son, was the executioner.
38:22
unknown: Okay.
38:22
SPEAKER_01: So basically, his dad, Charles Henry, was like the executioner of the French Revolution.
38:28
SPEAKER_01: The guy.
38:29
SPEAKER_01: The guy.
38:30
SPEAKER_01: He beheaded Louis XVI.
38:34
SPEAKER_00: Um or 19th, depending on the 19th, the 14th, one of those movies out there.
38:39
SPEAKER_01: The one who couldn't get it up, this one.
38:42
SPEAKER_01: That's what we're talking about.
38:43
SPEAKER_01: The impotent one.
38:45
SPEAKER_01: Um, but so I found this was interesting.
38:48
SPEAKER_01: We'll get into a whole thing about the life of an executioner, but for those who don't know, it was very much a like a trade.
38:54
SPEAKER_01: It was kind of like if your dad's a blacksmith, then I'm a blacksmith.
38:57
SPEAKER_01: If your dad's an executioner, I'm an executioner.
38:59
SPEAKER_01: So um generations.
39:00
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so Charles Henry, he was the um, he was the fourth and a sixth generation of executioners.
39:10
SPEAKER_01: Um, he had two sons.
39:11
SPEAKER_01: Okay, this I I need to look into more because this really caught my eye.
39:16
SPEAKER_01: One of his sons, oh, this chili popping.
39:19
SPEAKER_01: Chili's coming on hot.
39:21
SPEAKER_01: Sorry.
39:22
SPEAKER_00: Um, I think Megan needs more wine.
39:24
SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna go.
39:24
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's probably the wine I just have to drink more.
39:27
SPEAKER_01: Mind you, there is a black skull that's gonna be.
39:30
SPEAKER_00: Oh, isn't it fascinating?
39:31
SPEAKER_00: Stuck into her.
39:33
SPEAKER_00: I don't know where I found this, but yes, I have a uh bottle stopper and it's a black skull.
39:37
SPEAKER_00: It's very menacing looking.
39:40
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well, it's it's close to Halloween.
39:42
SPEAKER_00: Once September first starts, it's Halloween season.
39:45
SPEAKER_01: Um also side note, I was thinking we should air this on October 16th, which would have been the anniversary.
39:52
SPEAKER_01: So it if it's October 16th when you're listening to something correct.
39:58
SPEAKER_01: Um go us, Dan.
39:59
SPEAKER_01: Okay, no, no, no.
40:00
SPEAKER_01: This is so cool.
40:01
SPEAKER_01: One of his sons literally frickin' slipped in the blood on the scaffold as he was holding up his head of his last victim, fucking fell off the scaffold in the blood and died.
40:16
SPEAKER_01: What?
40:16
SPEAKER_01: Yes! His son died.
40:18
SPEAKER_01: Wait, so the executioner and no no, so Charles Henry, yes, the guy who said Louis, the executioner, his son, who is also an executioner, slipped on the scaffold after beheading somebody by holding up its head.
40:35
SPEAKER_00: Well, this is not the guy who killed Maria 25th.
40:37
SPEAKER_01: No, no, no, it's his son.
40:38
SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
40:39
SPEAKER_01: I'm convinced.
40:40
SPEAKER_01: Whatever, in the same family.
40:41
SPEAKER_01: In this family, one of them from execution.
40:44
SPEAKER_01: Which I think is so ironic.
40:46
SPEAKER_00: That is actually funny.
40:49
SPEAKER_01: One of those ways to die, right?
40:51
SPEAKER_00: So well then I feel like you know, if you pay admission to get in to see the guillotine, you're it's like a two-for-that's a two-for-one, right?
40:57
SPEAKER_01: You're like, oh hey, I got it.
41:00
SPEAKER_01: And then and then when merchandise was sold, it was.
41:03
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because there were flags.
41:04
SPEAKER_01: This reminds me of like um a night's tale.
41:06
SPEAKER_01: Not a night's tale was with Heath Ledger.
41:08
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Heath Ledger.
41:09
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and then all like waving the flags, yeah.
41:11
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
41:11
SPEAKER_00: Um modern than you'd think, you know?
41:14
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
41:15
SPEAKER_01: So also cool story.
41:16
SPEAKER_01: Uh Charles Henry Sanson, he was the first one to use the guillotine as well.
41:21
SPEAKER_00: Ooh.
41:22
SPEAKER_01: So this is a famous executioner family that was.
41:24
SPEAKER_00: Do you know who invented it?
41:25
SPEAKER_00: We gotta look into like her.
41:27
SPEAKER_00: We'll write it down.
41:28
SPEAKER_00: I wasn't that prepared to know.
41:29
SPEAKER_00: We're gonna do many episodes.
41:31
SPEAKER_01: Reading my notes here.
41:33
SPEAKER_01: Alright, so Marie Antoinette, 37 years old, old.
41:37
SPEAKER_01: Um, she is ready to get executed.
41:40
SPEAKER_01: It is 12 15 p.m.
41:42
SPEAKER_01: She's I love I love this part.
41:45
SPEAKER_01: She's wearing a plain white gown.
41:48
SPEAKER_01: Okay, really quick though.
41:50
SPEAKER_01: I thought this was weird.
41:51
SPEAKER_01: There was a note that in the morning she had a cup of chocolate.
41:55
SPEAKER_01: I don't know what that means.
41:57
SPEAKER_01: Like, I don't know if that means like chocolate chocolate, hot chocolate, just like Hershey's, a cup of it, her little cookie crisp in the morning.
42:06
SPEAKER_01: I don't know if that's like a I don't know if that's considered a last meal.
42:08
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
42:09
SPEAKER_01: I just saw a little sign that I was like, I had a cup of chocolate.
42:12
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we'll get into our last meals later, I think.
42:14
SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, I know what it is.
42:16
SPEAKER_01: Um, okay, I love this little part.
42:19
SPEAKER_01: She's walking up the steps to the scaffold, and she slips and steps on the executioner's foot.
42:25
SPEAKER_01: Oh yes.
42:26
SPEAKER_01: You're gonna have to translate this for me in French.
42:28
SPEAKER_01: But she basically says, Excuse me, I didn't do it on purpose.
42:36
SPEAKER_00: No, purpose.
42:38
SPEAKER_00: I nailed it again.
42:39
SPEAKER_01: Um, no, but isn't okay, think about that.
42:42
SPEAKER_01: Excuse me, I didn't do it on purpose.
42:45
SPEAKER_01: And I feel like that just kind of is all of it.
42:49
SPEAKER_01: Like, yeah, what's your or?
42:52
SPEAKER_00: Or she's a slither and now it's your passive accountation.
42:56
SPEAKER_01: That was exactly what I was doing.
42:58
SPEAKER_01: No, no, no, no.
43:00
SPEAKER_01: I really think that was so symbolic of like her naivety.
43:06
SPEAKER_01: Naivete naivete naivete.
43:09
SPEAKER_01: We say everything in this type of French.
43:11
SPEAKER_01: If I didn't know the word, I'm just going to make it into an accent and I just said it weird.
43:16
SPEAKER_01: Uh no, but like her really like, well shit, I just spent like a fuck ton of money and didn't mean it, but like I didn't do it on purpose.
43:27
SPEAKER_01: My little heart.
43:28
SPEAKER_01: Tragic.
43:29
SPEAKER_01: She gave no speech.
43:31
SPEAKER_02: No speech.
43:31
SPEAKER_01: No, that was all she said.
43:32
SPEAKER_01: No excuse me.
43:33
SPEAKER_01: I didn't do it on purpose.
43:35
SPEAKER_01: They very briskly.
43:36
SPEAKER_01: So this is how the guillotine worked.
43:38
SPEAKER_01: Like, there was okay, you know those, you know those like back stretchers, and you want to tie yourself and you want to do it.
43:46
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's like have a good visual.
43:48
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
43:51
SPEAKER_01: They plank you want, so the plank is.
43:54
SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna try and explain this verbally.
43:56
SPEAKER_01: What I'm using a lot of hand gestures.
44:00
SPEAKER_01: I get it.
44:01
SPEAKER_01: So you're standing vertical.
44:03
SPEAKER_01: They strap you with your stomach to the plank.
44:07
SPEAKER_01: Oh.
44:07
SPEAKER_01: They strap you down.
44:09
SPEAKER_01: It sounds like kind of a fun ride.
44:11
SPEAKER_01: They put you down.
44:12
SPEAKER_01: They slide you in.
44:14
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
44:15
SPEAKER_01: They clamp your head.
44:17
SPEAKER_01: And this happened from what I read.
44:21
SPEAKER_01: This was like zero bullshit.
44:25
SPEAKER_01: They just went strap, down, slide.
44:29
SPEAKER_01: There was no.
44:30
SPEAKER_01: That's effective.
44:31
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it was even like a roller coaster.
44:33
SPEAKER_00: It's like it wouldn't have been all those like flying roller coasters.
44:36
SPEAKER_00: It's like you get in.
44:37
SPEAKER_00: No.
44:37
SPEAKER_00: It goes up.
44:38
SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah.
44:39
SPEAKER_00: Oh, so Megan has an intense fear of roller coasters.
44:42
SPEAKER_00: I forgot.
44:42
SPEAKER_00: I did not mean to.
44:43
SPEAKER_00: I would rather go in the guillotine than ride than ride a roller coaster.
44:47
SPEAKER_00: But I guess quickly.
44:49
SPEAKER_00: Which is interesting because if you are trying to make it a spectacle, like where people buy merchandise and come all around and they're all excited about it, which is I don't know if they actually bought merchandise because.
45:00
SPEAKER_00: If you are listening, rewind and you'll hear that she says 100%.
45:05
SPEAKER_01: 100% page right now.
45:09
SPEAKER_01: They had flags, they had t-shirts, they were like off with her head.
45:14
SPEAKER_01: I will eat my cake.
45:16
SPEAKER_01: I'm pretty sure she guaranteed us that.
45:18
SPEAKER_00: But no, no, that's a much changing.
45:20
SPEAKER_00: Now facts are changing a little.
45:21
SPEAKER_00: We're not sure if they're the merchandise is not confirmed.
45:25
SPEAKER_00: Anyway, so we're going to be able to do it.
45:29
SPEAKER_01: I will make my cake and eat it too, if I saw it.
45:33
SPEAKER_00: And on the back it says no, it's Becky.
45:37
SPEAKER_01: Taylor Slipchoke.
45:38
SPEAKER_01: Um, okay, so she said.
45:41
SPEAKER_01: Wait, really quick, you didn't let me make my point.
45:43
SPEAKER_01: I was just saying.
45:45
SPEAKER_00: I was just saying that if you were to make this big spectacle, if there was in fact merchandise, if in fact people got excited, you would think it would be a little bit more ceremonious where they were like, ooh, look at the person on the blog, and here's this song, and here's this, and here's your last words.
45:59
SPEAKER_00: Do you have any last words?
46:00
SPEAKER_00: But didn't it know that it was very mechanical and very like doop doop, one, two, three, four.
46:04
SPEAKER_01: It's just kind of interesting.
46:06
SPEAKER_01: It is interesting.
46:07
SPEAKER_01: No, you're right.
46:08
SPEAKER_01: You could be there.
46:08
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we're not really sure of the thing.
46:09
SPEAKER_01: I think I'd be disappointed.
46:11
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
46:11
SPEAKER_01: If I were there for the spectacle of it, not that I would be, because I'd be there crying remorseful because I'm an emotional human being and I wouldn't be wearing my shirt.
46:20
SPEAKER_01: That's it, I will be making.
46:22
SPEAKER_01: Um, no, you're right.
46:24
SPEAKER_01: I think I would be disappointed.
46:25
SPEAKER_01: Like, uh, that's it.
46:27
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
46:27
SPEAKER_01: Like I waited for this.
46:30
unknown: Yeah.
46:30
SPEAKER_00: I I traveled for two days on foot with my pack of six brats and her daughter's daughter over here.
46:37
SPEAKER_01: No, but it's true.
46:39
SPEAKER_01: Like, I I wonder if that's more of a disrespect to her.
46:44
SPEAKER_01: That she didn't get her moment.
46:47
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I wonder if she had no last words because it was more mechanical, like that she didn't get a chance.
46:52
SPEAKER_00: That's a good one.
46:52
SPEAKER_01: Or did she know none of us were actually there?
46:58
SPEAKER_00: It's always I always think about this too random fact, random thing in my head.
47:03
SPEAKER_00: Um, that everything that we have these days is documented.
47:06
SPEAKER_00: You know, everything we have is through text and email and pictures and you know, audio clips and all of these things.
47:13
SPEAKER_00: We can literally like unfold everyone's life from almost any major moment.
47:18
SPEAKER_00: Whereas back then there's just nothing.
47:20
SPEAKER_00: There's accounts, there's like, you know, word of mouth, there's maybe some people wrote it down, but that's just hearsay.
47:27
SPEAKER_00: That's just people thinking, oh, I think we have little sketches, that's all we have.
47:30
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we have nothing.
47:32
SPEAKER_01: We don't even know what's freaking iPhones now.
47:34
unknown: Yeah.
47:35
SPEAKER_01: I always okay.
47:36
SPEAKER_01: Like we have the paintings, but I love that idea of like what do they really look like?
47:42
SPEAKER_01: And I love like the death masks, you know.
47:44
SPEAKER_01: Have you seen those things?
47:44
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I love that because it gives you an idea to know what a death mask is to our listeners.
47:50
SPEAKER_01: Sure.
47:52
SPEAKER_01: You go, I don't know really I can say it.
47:55
SPEAKER_01: We'll cut that part.
47:57
SPEAKER_01: Whatever also, whenever we say we'll cut that part, is we're probably not gonna get cut.
48:02
SPEAKER_01: All this is staying in.
48:03
SPEAKER_01: So this what this is what's sad, too.
48:06
SPEAKER_01: They threw her body into an unmarked grave.
48:10
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
48:11
SPEAKER_01: In the early 19th century, during an excavation exc excavation.
48:16
SPEAKER_01: Excavation.
48:19
SPEAKER_01: Megan doesn't know where she just throws an accent in there and chicks you open.
48:23
SPEAKER_01: Um the bodies were found.
48:25
SPEAKER_01: Her, I say bodies, her and Louis XVI.
48:28
SPEAKER_00: Together?
48:29
SPEAKER_01: I yes.
48:31
SPEAKER_01: Yes, also effect.
48:33
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
48:33
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
48:34
SPEAKER_02: Wikipedia.
48:36
SPEAKER_01: Um, but they properly reburied both of them.
48:40
SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's nice.
48:41
SPEAKER_01: Are they in March race now?
48:43
SPEAKER_01: Yes, and it ends up being a happy love story.
48:45
SPEAKER_00: Well, they weren't really in love though.
48:47
SPEAKER_01: She kind of hated it.
48:50
SPEAKER_01: I think we just did our first execution story.
48:52
SPEAKER_01: I think we did.
48:53
SPEAKER_00: Uh we've actually been talking for 50 minutes.
48:56
SPEAKER_01: Holy crap, I thought we were gonna do 30-minute episodes.
48:58
SPEAKER_01: I guess it's I guess we're doing an hour-long episode.
49:00
SPEAKER_00: Well, depending on our content, if it if we've gotta take a lot of that out because it was garbage, we'll do that.
49:05
SPEAKER_00: If it was all great or mildly great, we'll leave it in and maybe we do 50 minutes because I that flew by.
49:11
SPEAKER_00: Oh, it's fun.
49:12
unknown: Yeah.
49:13
SPEAKER_00: I think this is a good first uh first episode.
49:15
SPEAKER_00: We had a lot of fun, fun things to talk about.
49:18
SPEAKER_01: A lot more to come.
49:19
SPEAKER_00: A lot more to come.
49:20
SPEAKER_00: Do we know what our next episode is going to be about?
49:22
SPEAKER_01: Oh, I haven't thought about it.
49:23
SPEAKER_01: I have a special episode next.
49:25
SPEAKER_00: Surprise episode.
49:26
SPEAKER_00: Surprise episode.
49:27
SPEAKER_01: We are we will start getting some social media going, we will start getting recommendations, comments, all those lovely corrections of all the things we just said wrong.
49:37
SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
49:38
SPEAKER_01: Um, can't wait.
49:39
SPEAKER_01: But uh thanks for listening.
49:40
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
49:41
SPEAKER_00: And uh we need a we need a sign off.
49:44
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
49:44
SPEAKER_00: Happy Beheading.
49:46
SPEAKER_02: Okay, no, just we'll make a cute little exit right now.