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Marilyn Hartman & Kathryn Jackson: The Dallas/Fort Worth ‘80s Murders Part 6 · Gone Cold - Texas True Crime

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Speaker 1: The Gone Cold podcasts may contain violent or graphics subject matter.
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Speaker 2: Listener discretion is advised. At about seven pm on Sunday,
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Speaker 2: November twenty fifth, nineteen eighty four, thirty two year old
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Speaker 2: middle school teacher Katherine Jackson returned to her West Fort
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Speaker 2: Worth apartment after spending the Thanksgiving holiday with her parents
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Speaker 2: in her hometown of Brady. When she finished unloading her things,
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Speaker 2: Katherine locked the dead bolt, the door handle, and slid
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Speaker 2: the chain lock into place. Those three locks and the
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Speaker 2: peepole always made her feel safe. Katherine phoned her mother
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Speaker 2: to let her know she'd made it back safe and sound.
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Speaker 2: She was glad to have the car unloaded and ready
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Speaker 2: to relax, Katherine told her mother just before hanging up.
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Speaker 2: Early the next morning, at Irma Marsh Middle School in
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Speaker 2: River Oaks, Catherine's eighth grade students became worried when she
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Speaker 2: didn't show up for class. A couple of the students
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Speaker 2: walked to Principal James Pollard's office to report their teacher's absence.
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Speaker 2: Pollard was immediately concerned, as being late was highly unusual
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Speaker 2: for Catherine, and being late without calling was absolutely unheard of.
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Speaker 2: He phoned her apartment but there was no answer. Principal
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Speaker 2: Pollard's first thought was that Catherine had gotten into an
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Speaker 2: auto accident on her way back from Brady. Quickly, he
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Speaker 2: darted to his vehicle and headed Catherine's way, which was
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Speaker 2: about four miles to the southwest. When he got there,
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Speaker 2: he saw Catherine's car in the lot. Pollard visited the
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Speaker 2: complex's leasing office and told an agent what was going on,
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Speaker 2: and she hurriedly grabbed her keys. They raced to Unit
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Speaker 2: one oh four, Catherine's apartment on the second floor. The
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Speaker 2: dead bolt was locked. The leasing agent put in the key,
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Speaker 2: turned it and opened the door. Clouds of stick rolled out,
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Speaker 2: and when Pollard and the agent stepped in, it was
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Speaker 2: hot and humid. Looking around, there were no signs that
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Speaker 2: a struggle or violence had taken place. Nothing was overturned
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Speaker 2: and unread newspapers were stacked in the kitchen area. Everything
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Speaker 2: seemed tidy. The bathroom door, the obvious origin of the steam,
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Speaker 2: was closed reluctantly. Principal Polard reached for the handle and
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Speaker 2: gently pushed the door open. Inside, scolding hot water was
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Speaker 2: flowing out of the spout of the bathtub. The steam
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Speaker 2: almost knocked me out. Pollard later said, I dropped to
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Speaker 2: my hands and knees and crawled to the bathtub and
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Speaker 2: turned the water off. That's when I saw her lying
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Speaker 2: in the tub. The body of Catherine Jackson laid face
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Speaker 2: down in the water. Polard called the Fort Worth Police.
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Speaker 2: Catherine Elaine Jackson was born on July twenty fifth, nineteen
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Speaker 2: fifty two, in Brady, Texas, to parents William and Dorothy.
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Speaker 2: Throughout high school, Catherine was heavily involved in both academic
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Speaker 2: and extracurricular activities, including reporting and page editing for the
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Speaker 2: school newspaper, The Bark. The school mascot was the Bulldogs.
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Speaker 2: She was a member of the Debate Club and the
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Speaker 2: Future Teachers of America, and on the staff of the
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Speaker 2: Junior Historians, just a few of the things that kept
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Speaker 2: her busy at Brady High School. Sometime after graduating cum
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Speaker 2: laude in nineteen seventy and then getting through college, Catherine
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Speaker 2: todt in West Texas at Laplada Junior High School in Hereford.
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Speaker 2: Then in nineteen eighty one, she accepted a job at
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Speaker 2: Irma Marsh Middle School in River Oaks, a Fort Worth suburb.
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Speaker 2: Katherine was a challenging teacher and quickly gained a reputation
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Speaker 2: as such, you were going to work for your English
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Speaker 2: grades in missus Jackson's class. A described perfectionist, still, her
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Speaker 2: students liked her. If you gave her respect, she'd give
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Speaker 2: it right back, and her demanding style wasn't for its
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Speaker 2: own sake. Rather, Catherine felt responsible for getting her kids
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Speaker 2: ready for high school. Although Catherine didn't socialize with her
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Speaker 2: colleagues much outside of the school's walls, they all held
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Speaker 2: high opinions of her. She was friendly and funny, but
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Speaker 2: strongly focused on her students, something her fellow teachers and
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Speaker 2: administrators admired deeply. Outside of work, Katherine visited Brady often
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Speaker 2: as the result of her perpetual homesickness. She also frequently
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Speaker 2: went out to dinner with friends from her Singles Sunday
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Speaker 2: School class at Broadway Baptist Church. Catherine Jackson was a
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Speaker 2: gifted individual with a promising future stolen from her by
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Speaker 2: a depraved and seemingly remorseless act of violence. Police at
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Speaker 2: the scene of Catherine's murder her apartment noted there were
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Speaker 2: no signs of forced entry. They also took note of
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Speaker 2: the locked dead bolt in the bathroom. The floor was
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Speaker 2: partially flooded from the hot water that had run throughout
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Speaker 2: the night. Clothing had been piled on top of Catherine's
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Speaker 2: unclothed body. Her wrists and ankles were tied together with
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Speaker 2: a cord which extended to and was looped around her neck.
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Speaker 2: Police declined to say what type of cord had been used.
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Speaker 2: Superficial burns from the scolding water were found all over
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Speaker 2: Catherine's body. Detectives at the scene told reporters she had
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Speaker 2: been killed sometime around midnight, but not before being sexually assaulted,
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Speaker 2: a detail that became more obscure after the Arrant County
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Speaker 2: Medical Examiner's Office performed an autopsy. Also after the autopsy,
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Speaker 2: police reported that they believed she was killed between the
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Speaker 2: hours of seven and ten pm. They also admitted that
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Speaker 2: they had nothing to go on. Whoever killed Catherine Jackson
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Speaker 2: had apparently left little to no evidence behind, and that
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Speaker 2: included a motive unless it was a rape motivated crime.
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Speaker 2: Nothing appeared to have been taken from the apartment, seemingly
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Speaker 2: eliminating a burglary gone wrong scenario or robbery. We don't
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Speaker 2: have a thing to go on right now. We're just
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Speaker 2: going to have to start eliminating acquaintances, said Detective Paul Kratz,
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Speaker 2: who was assigned to be in charge of the case.
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Speaker 2: Because the dead bolt on Catherine's door had been locked
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Speaker 2: and there were no signs of violence, police were working
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Speaker 2: under the assumption that she knew her killer. The slain
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Speaker 2: woman's mother, Dorothy, on the other hand, had a different idea.
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Speaker 2: Dorothy told a reporter that she believed someone slipped into
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Speaker 2: her daughter's apartment while she unloaded her car, leaving her
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Speaker 2: door unlocked as she made trips back and forth. Her
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Speaker 2: theory seemed just as likely as detectives. The perpetrator could
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Speaker 2: have easily been an opportunist, someone unknown too, or merely
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Speaker 2: acquainted with her. Meanwhile, teachers and students at Irma Marsh
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Speaker 2: Middle School struggled to make sense of Catherine's death. Principal
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Speaker 2: James Pollard couldn't avoid the subject. When students asked him
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Speaker 2: what happened to her missus Jackson was murdered. He would
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Speaker 2: tell them, but he refused to go into any more
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Speaker 2: detail than that Catherine's car was found within her apartment
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Speaker 2: complex and her car keys were found inside the home,
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Speaker 2: a major difference police thought between her case and two
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Speaker 2: other recent cases in the county. However, there were some
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Speaker 2: similarities that could not be ignored, such as the cause
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Speaker 2: of death in all three crimes, strangulation, and the fact
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Speaker 2: that each killing occurred in areas with housing construction nearby.
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Speaker 2: The first happened more than a month before, when another
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Speaker 2: middle school teacher, Marilyn Hartman, was murdered in her home
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Speaker 2: on March eighth, nineteen fifty five. Marilyn Leshaw Rogers was
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Speaker 2: born to parents, Sammy and Obadiah in Memphis, Tennessee. The
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Speaker 2: Rogers family was deeply religious, close knit, hard working, and large.
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Speaker 2: Maryland had seven brothers and a sister. After graduate waiting
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Speaker 2: from West Memphis High School in Arkansas, Maryland received a
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Speaker 2: bachelor's degree from Arkansas Central State and then a master's
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Speaker 2: degree from Arkansas State University. In nineteen eighty two, Maryland
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Speaker 2: Rogers became Maryland Hartman when she married Stuart Hartman. She
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Speaker 2: was a member of the fort Worth Chapter of Delta
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Speaker 2: Sigma Theda Service sorority, and Gospel Kingdom Church of God
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Speaker 2: in Christ. By nineteen eighty four, she had lived in
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Speaker 2: Fort Worth for three years and was a beloved English
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Speaker 2: and social studies teacher at Stripling Middle School, located in
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Speaker 2: the city's Arlington Heights neighborhood, just west of downtown Maryland,
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Speaker 2: and Stuart had a brand new home in the city's
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Speaker 2: Candle Ridge neighborhood at the time, a newly developed section
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Speaker 2: of far southwest Fort Worth, a middle class addition that
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Speaker 2: rarely made its way into news stories involving tragic crimes,
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Speaker 2: but not never. On Friday October nineteenth, nineteen eighty four,
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Speaker 2: at about seven thirty pm, Marilyn visited her husband at
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Speaker 2: work to bring him dinner, after which she returned home.
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Speaker 2: As the time approached eleven that night, her two brothers
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Speaker 2: in law came by to wait for Stuart to come
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Speaker 2: home from work. As they came upon the house, the
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Speaker 2: men got a bad feeling. Marylynd's car wasn't there. They
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Speaker 2: parked and approached the door. Their feeling worsened when they
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Speaker 2: saw that it was slightly ajar When they entered, Marilyn's
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Speaker 2: brothers in law found shattered glass everywhere in the entryway,
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Speaker 2: as if an intense struggle had begun there. Their stomachs
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Speaker 2: dropped as they drew near the master bedroom, face down
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Speaker 2: on the floor with her hands bound behind her back.
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Speaker 2: With an electrical cord. Marylynd's fully clothed body laid lifeless.
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Speaker 2: Two men's neckties were wrapped tightly around her neck. Blood
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Speaker 2: was all around. The men called authorities right away. When
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Speaker 2: the fort Worth police arrived, they cordoned off the scene.
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Speaker 2: They found more blood in the kitchen and discovered many
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Speaker 2: items were missing. Whoever killed Marilyn Hartman had taken her purse,
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Speaker 2: various jewelry she'd been wearing, including her wedding band, and
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Speaker 2: two handguns from the house. Her blue nineteen seventy nine
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Speaker 2: Chevy Camaro was also missing. Detective's working theory from the
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Speaker 2: get go was that Marilyn had surprised a burglary in progress,
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Speaker 2: which the evidence backed up. Maryland's car was found eleven
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Speaker 2: days later in Everman, a fort Worth suburb. The media
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Speaker 2: was virtually silent about Marylyn's case, no hard hitting the
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Speaker 2: cops for new information or forward momentum, and no victim
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Speaker 2: impact stories. On Tuesday, November thirteenth, nineteen eighty four, the
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Speaker 2: fort Worth Star Telegram published a letter penned by Marilyn
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Speaker 2: Hartman's brother, Onissimus Rogers. Though he was diplomatic, his frustration
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Speaker 2: could easily be read between the lines. Quote. My sister
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Speaker 2: Marilyn Rogers Hartman was brutally murdered on the night of
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Speaker 2: October nineteenth at her home in Fort Worth. She was
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Speaker 2: only twenty nine years of age. I would like to
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Speaker 2: know what is being done to apprehend the killer. On
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Speaker 2: behalf of the Rogers family, I want to express our
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Speaker 2: sentiments on this matter. We want every stone turn to
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Speaker 2: catch the person who killed her so ruthlessly and despicably.
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Speaker 2: If there is a reward system in the state, either
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Speaker 2: through the governor or privately, we would hope that the
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Speaker 2: ultimate can be established for capturing this criminal. The good citizens,
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Speaker 2: hard working and tax paying of fort Worth can no
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Speaker 2: longer sit back and allow the criminal element to take
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Speaker 2: over the country, and we must insist that the police
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Speaker 2: do the job for which they are paid. Onissimus Rogers
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Speaker 2: end quote. The very day Onissimus's letter saw print, another
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Speaker 2: home was invaded in nearby Collyville. At about nine thirty
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Speaker 2: that morning, thirty seven year old Judy Heron opened her
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Speaker 2: back door and was surprised by a man wearing a
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Speaker 2: uniform and ski mask. Though she tried to slam the
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Speaker 2: door shut, the man forced his way in A short
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Speaker 2: struggle ensued until the man overpowered Judy. He tied her
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Speaker 2: up along with her six year old son, before strangling
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Speaker 2: them both. Daniel, her son, survived the attack, but Judy
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Speaker 2: did not. The assailant fled in her nineteen eighty four
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Speaker 2: jeep Cherokee, and the police believed that jewelry and money
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Speaker 2: was taken from the home. The heinous crime was high profile.
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Speaker 2: Judy came from a prominent oil family, and her husband, Lee,
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Speaker 2: was president of her father's mortgage company. As the man
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Speaker 2: hunt for Judy's killer unfolded, the largest the area had
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Speaker 2: ever seen, detectives in Fort Worth quickly alerted the Colleyville
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Speaker 2: Police to a similar crime in their jurisdiction, the murder
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Speaker 2: of Marilyn Hartmann. Both women were killed in their homes
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Speaker 2: in exclusive areas that were still under development. In both murders,
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Speaker 2: the perpetrator fled in the victim's car. One report in
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Speaker 2: the Fort Worth Star Telegram says that in both Maryland
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Speaker 2: and Judy's murders, they were looking for a suspect that
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Speaker 2: wore camouflage clothing and a mask. Then, two weeks later,
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Speaker 2: irma Marsh Middle school teacher, Katherine Jackson, was slain. There
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Speaker 2: was also new housing construction near her apartment. However, police
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Speaker 2: noted that the assailant did not flee and Katherine's car,
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Speaker 2: but there's a good reason for this, although we don't
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Speaker 2: know for sure. It is highly unlikely that her car
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Speaker 2: had a remote keyfob access, something that was relatively new
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Speaker 2: at the time and was certainly not standard in a
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Speaker 2: vast majority of vehicles. Therefore, in an apartment parking lot
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Speaker 2: full of cars, it's likely the perpetrator didn't want to
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Speaker 2: take the time to find Catherine's The Fort Worth Police
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Speaker 2: continued to exchange notes with authorities in Colleyville, but ultimately
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Speaker 2: decided the three homicides were unrelated. Detectives met with Catherine's
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Speaker 2: parents the day after her body was found. It was
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Speaker 2: important to get to know their victim, of course, but
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Speaker 2: it wasn't only that. Truth was they were struggling to
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Speaker 2: come up with good leads. Deputy Police Chief Jack Bricknell
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Speaker 2: talked about bringing in a psychological profiler, but it's unclear
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Speaker 2: if he ever did did. Just a few days after
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Speaker 2: she was murdered, Shep's Dry Incorporated of Dallas began offering
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Speaker 2: a five thousand dollars reward for information leading to the
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Speaker 2: indictment of Catherine's killer. On top of that, crime Stoppers
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Speaker 2: offered a reward of one thousand dollars. Still either no
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Speaker 2: one bit or the stories of those who did went nowhere.
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Speaker 2: Sheps upped the ante by offering ten thousand days later,
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Speaker 2: but that amount equivalent to more than thirty thousand dollars
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Speaker 2: at the time of this recording, brought with it no
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Speaker 2: viable leads. The investigation trudged forward. Fort Worth Police crime
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Speaker 2: scene Sergeant David Reagan brought in state of the art
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Speaker 2: laser technology to help discover evidence in Katherine Jackson's case.
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Speaker 2: Because the scalding hot water had been left running in
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Speaker 2: Catherine's apartment, fingerprints were hard to come by. Traditional dusting
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Speaker 2: was virtually impossible with the amount of moisture in the unit.
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Speaker 2: This laser shot a small beam of purple light and
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Speaker 2: using filters, was able to see fingerprints. When the print
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Speaker 2: is detected, a court admissible photograph could be taken. Although
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Speaker 2: they were optimistic that Catherine Jackson's case was perfect for
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Speaker 2: such a technology, not much of anything usable was found,
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Speaker 2: according to reporters who were allowed access. In another bizarre twist,
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Speaker 2: Candle Ridge neighborhood resident Shoshana Conway, who lived just a
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Speaker 2: couple blocks from Marilyn Hartman, also knew Katherine Jackson from
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Speaker 2: Broadway Baptist Church's Singles Sunday school class. Both murder victims,
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Speaker 2: of course, were also middle school teachers. In early nineteen
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Speaker 2: eighty five, Katherine was finally added to the list of
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Speaker 2: women whose slangs were being investigated by a special homicide
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Speaker 2: task force formed in early January. Catherine's name would never
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Speaker 2: be seen again in a story solely about her case,
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Speaker 2: only in print, alongside other victims, including the still unsolved
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Speaker 2: murders of Katherine Davis, Cindy Heller, Angela Ewart, Regina Grover,
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Speaker 2: and Sarah Kashka. The same went for Marilyn Hartman, who
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Speaker 2: undeniably received less press coverage than any of the other
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Speaker 2: victims on the task force's tragic list. In fact, on
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Speaker 2: the first article ever written about the case and on
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Speaker 2: the television Crimestoppers reenactment, they incorrectly note Maryland's age as
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Speaker 2: nineteen years old.
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Speaker 1: The story about nineteen year old Maryland Hartman is short
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Speaker 1: and violent. Sometime between seven thirty and ten o'clock at night,
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Speaker 1: Marylyn received unexpected visitors. What do you think the men
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Speaker 1: did leave, but not without ransacking the entire home. When
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Speaker 1: Marylynd's two brothers in law came into the home around
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Speaker 1: ten thirty, they found destruction everywhere. They found Marylynd dead
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Speaker 1: in the bedroom, her hands tied together with electrical cords,
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Speaker 1: strangled by two men's neckties. This week, crime Stoppers will
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Speaker 1: pay one thousand dollars for information that leads to the
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Speaker 1: arrest and indictment of the person or persons who killed
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Speaker 1: Marilyn Hartman. Just call crime Stoppers at four six nine chips.
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Speaker 1: That's four sixty nine tips.
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Speaker 2: Marilyn was a twenty nine year old woman who'd accomplished
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Speaker 2: more than most by that age. Regardless. Her husband to Stuart,
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Speaker 2: was happy to see her name join the others on
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Speaker 2: the task force in April of nineteen eighty five, and
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Speaker 2: basically s it's about time. She was the ninth name added,
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Speaker 2: right after Catherine Jackson. Since nineteen eighty, Deputy Chief Charlie
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Speaker 2: Hoague told the Fort Worth Star Telegram the department had
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Speaker 2: amassed a total of twenty two unsolved slangs of women,
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Speaker 2: though only a few more would be added to the
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Speaker 2: unfortunate roster. The task force certainly investigated others, even some
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Speaker 2: going back earlier to nineteen eighty. The prime concern of
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Speaker 2: the task force was determining which, if any, of the
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Speaker 2: crimes were connected, meaning possibly the work of the same killer.
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Speaker 2: A majority on the force never believed all or even
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Speaker 2: most of the eighties murders were the work of only
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Speaker 2: one person, but there were too many similarities and connections
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Speaker 2: between a few groups of them to calculate these likelihoods.
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Speaker 2: Information about the cases was fed into a computer that
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Speaker 2: searches for patterns or possible leads to follow. Lieutenant Ray Armand,
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Speaker 2: who headed up the task force, said that using the
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Speaker 2: computer resulted in seventy nine pages of tips, leads, names,
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Speaker 2: and suspects. He also remarked that the suspects they'd been
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Speaker 2: investigating since the beginning of the task force's creation were
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Speaker 2: still being watched. This meant they believed two of the
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Speaker 2: murders involved suspects who knew the victims, Cindy Heller's boyfriend
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Speaker 2: and a young man they believed knew Lisa Griffin. The
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Speaker 2: cops were wrong about that, but they were right about
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Speaker 2: Lisa's killer knowing her. Neither of those crimes most likely
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Speaker 2: are connected to any of the others, and the likelihood
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Speaker 2: that Catherine Jackson, Marilyn Hartman, and Judy Heron's cases are
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Speaker 2: connected to any of the others is low. Next time
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Speaker 2: on Gone Cold Texas True Crime, we'll talk about the
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Speaker 2: cases the task force didn't take on, but perhaps in hindsight,
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Speaker 2: should have followed by a trove of potential suspects madmen
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Speaker 2: who stalked the Dallas Fort Worth area at the time
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Speaker 2: of these many murders. But first, because it's incredibly relevant here,
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Speaker 2: I'm going to re release our Judy Heron episode from
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty one to give you a better understanding of
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Speaker 2: why her and Maryland's cases were compared closely for similarities,
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Speaker 2: and to give us a little break for the holiday.
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Speaker 2: Speaking of which, Happy holidays to all of you. Erica
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Speaker 2: and I wish y'all a joyous and, though it's likely impossible,
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Speaker 2: a stress free time with your loved ones or by
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Speaker 2: yourself if you so choose. If you have any information
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Speaker 2: about the murders of Marilyn Hartman or Catherine Jackson, please
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