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Mental Illness in Movies (or Nora's Crazy Episode) · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 1: My name is Brad Dourif and I'm listening to Movie Meltdown.
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  Speaker 1: This is a place for crazy people.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not crazy.
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  Speaker 1: What's up? Welcome to Movie Meltdown. I am Brian, and
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  Speaker 1: the new and improved Oddity Studios. So you can all
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  Speaker 1: applaud now.
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  Speaker 4: It's fine.
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  Speaker 1: And joining me for that guest episode is... Hello.
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  Speaker 5: I'm Nora Inman.
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  Speaker 1: Feel free to... You can elaborate professionally if you want,
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  Speaker 1: if it's going to come into play later. Or just...
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  Speaker 1: You roped yourself into this, really.
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  Speaker 5: I did, kind of, yes.
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  Speaker 1: We met semi-recently, and what's weird is it was like
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  Speaker 1: two seconds after I hit stop on a previous episode.
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  Speaker 1: So you were almost like shoved into the middle of
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  Speaker 1: an ongoing episode, but you just grazed it. And before
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  Speaker 1: we were done, I was just like, all right, well, obviously,
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  Speaker 1: you fell right into my normal yammering on about movies.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, we're going to have to do something. So
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  Speaker 1: here we are now. So.
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  Speaker 5: I am honored to be here.
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  Speaker 1: If you want to ease our way in, I usually
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  Speaker 1: ask everybody, have you seen any movies lately?
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  Speaker 6: Oh.
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  Speaker 1: Outside of our big dumb topic in a minute.
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  Speaker 5: Have I seen? Nothing new, but I recently re-watched Psycho,
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  Speaker 5: which will come into our discussion. So I re-watched that
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  Speaker 5: one a couple days ago, and it's just so good.
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  Speaker 5: Such a classic.
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  Speaker 1: Can't go wrong with that one. Well, I did see
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  Speaker 1: something just this weekend. I watched Isle of Dogs.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, how was that?
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  Speaker 1: Are you a Wes person?
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  Speaker 5: Um, kind of.
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  Speaker 1: Because it is like, definitely. Well, I mean, there's kind
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  Speaker 1: of no light Wes setting. Like, everything is so, like,
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  Speaker 1: you'll be five minutes in and be like, oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: this is Wes Anderson. Like, he's a weird dude and
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  Speaker 1: he's impressive and like super that's why i feel like
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  Speaker 1: because i've said this about the last stop motion movie
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  Speaker 1: i'm like this is probably the perfect medium for him
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  Speaker 1: because it's so meticulous everything about it has to be
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  Speaker 1: down to the most minute detail that i'm like that's
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  Speaker 1: how he is anyway even with humans so it kind
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  Speaker 1: of fits him really well and like he does have
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  Speaker 1: a weird as like perverted as it is in his
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  Speaker 1: live action movies there is a weird childlike version of
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  Speaker 1: the storytelling that goes on even in his grown-up ish
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  Speaker 1: movies so but yeah this one's definitely like fine for
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  Speaker 1: kids to watch but i think like most of what's
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  Speaker 1: going on they're gonna be like i don't i don't
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  Speaker 1: really care like they get into weird like talk about
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  Speaker 1: the government or or the other well i mean there's
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  Speaker 1: like there's the guy kind of running the whole thing
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  Speaker 1: because basically they quarantine dogs to dog island or trash
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  Speaker 1: island actually and they just dump all their dogs there
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  Speaker 1: so it's a weird semi post-apocalyptic version of the future
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  Speaker 1: where dogs get you know mad dog disease and they
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  Speaker 1: decide they don't need dogs anymore and they dump them
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  Speaker 1: all on an island just off side of Japan and
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  Speaker 1: so like it's this weird alternate reality and like again
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  Speaker 1: all of that just screams Wes Anderson so that part
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  Speaker 1: Works really well if you're into the West part of it.
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  Speaker 1: And then the stop motion is great. And yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: really liked it. But again, it comes with a asterisk
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  Speaker 1: of you better like Wes Anderson because it is just
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  Speaker 1: dry and weird. And there's something... And again, this is
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  Speaker 1: always really weird in his live action stuff with actual humans,
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  Speaker 1: which is also why maybe it works better in stop motion.
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  Speaker 1: He's so... detached from his characters i don't and like
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  Speaker 1: there are times where it feels like he almost has
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  Speaker 1: no feelings for him they let he's gotten better like
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  Speaker 1: i feel like that last one the what was the
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  Speaker 1: hotel when oh grand budapest yeah grand budapest i i
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  Speaker 1: really like that one and i felt like he did
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  Speaker 1: care about our main characters and there was a little
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  Speaker 1: shift towards some sort of an emotional reaction to him
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  Speaker 1: which i don't think you get out of some of
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  Speaker 1: his older stuff so I think he's kind of improving
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  Speaker 1: maybe as a, as a writer and a director as
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  Speaker 1: time goes on. So, but yeah, we at least care
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  Speaker 1: about our main, you know, dog and the group of
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  Speaker 1: dogs are way more entertaining than most. Again, the humans
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  Speaker 1: in this story are way less interesting than the dogs.
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  Speaker 1: So we've got our main kid that barely talks and
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  Speaker 1: nobody speaks English except the dogs really. So it's a
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  Speaker 1: weird little world that we're immersed into, but yeah, it's yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The rest of the human characters are as, devoid of
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  Speaker 1: feeling and emotions as most wes anderson characters so you
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  Speaker 1: just you side with the dogs and the dogs are
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  Speaker 1: what it's all about.
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  Speaker 5: So i'll have to check that out i think i
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  Speaker 5: usually get frustrated because like you said in a lot
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  Speaker 5: of his movies it's just like look at these white people.
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  Speaker 1: They sure are weird white people aren't they mad about
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  Speaker 1: stuff they are they're pretty weird they're weird and they
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  Speaker 1: don't seem to care about anyone yeah and.
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  Speaker 5: After a while it's like i don't even care about
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  Speaker 5: them why am.
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  Speaker 1: I watching them they're so detached that i kind of
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  Speaker 1: get detached but yeah i think the last one was
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  Speaker 1: was not like that really and now this i don't
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  Speaker 1: know the live action shift back into stop motion it
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  Speaker 1: kind of works for him so maybe he'll just move
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  Speaker 1: he'll he'll become the new pixar he'll do nothing but
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  Speaker 1: animated I don't know how he would work in computer, though,
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  Speaker 1: so stick with stop motion.
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  Speaker 5: Just an entire saga about more dogs.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. I would like that. All right, so with that,
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  Speaker 1: would you like to move into our actual topic? This actually,
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  Speaker 1: I was thinking, it kind of falls into a previous
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  Speaker 1: ongoing category, which is we haven't done the grind in
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  Speaker 1: a long time. I'm not real.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not real.
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  Speaker 1: So in that one, and I'll probably have to explain
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  Speaker 1: it to you guys listening at home because you're such slackers,
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  Speaker 1: I used to invite people to write in with like
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  Speaker 1: a general topic and be like, hey, if you want
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  Speaker 1: us to talk about something, a specific, you know, area, genre,
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  Speaker 1: general question, throw it out there. And usually people are
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  Speaker 1: slackers and they don't do it. So... This one, you
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  Speaker 1: actually came up with yourself. So what, how would you
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  Speaker 1: like to, like, word what it is? Because even beforehand,
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  Speaker 1: I was like, do we want to pin it down?
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  Speaker 1: Do we have a specific way to phrase this general area?
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  Speaker 1: So how would you describe our topic of the day?
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  Speaker 5: Yes, so I think we'll just call it mental illness
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  Speaker 5: in movies. It's obviously a very broad topic. I think
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  Speaker 5: we started talking about it. with um silver linings playbook
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  Speaker 5: and the bad bad therapist in that movie.
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  Speaker 1: That's why i was like do we want to focus
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  Speaker 1: on just really bad therapists because there's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: those two or just a little more broad with kind
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  Speaker 1: of the way movies treat mental illness and crazy and
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  Speaker 1: all of that so yes i figured that yeah but
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  Speaker 1: leaving it a little wider gives us room to roam
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  Speaker 1: around so I also assumed this was sort of your
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  Speaker 1: coming out and just, you know, you're publicly stating that
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  Speaker 1: you're insane. Is that the case? I don't know. I
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  Speaker 1: assume that's why you chose this as well. It's just like,
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  Speaker 1: I need to let people know I have mental illness. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Well, there's that. And also, the reason I'm interested in
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  Speaker 5: this topic is because I have my master's in social work.
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  Speaker 5: I am a social worker. In grad school, I focused
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  Speaker 5: specifically on mental health. And even in undergrad, I was
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  Speaker 5: on a peer counseling hotline where people would call in.
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  Speaker 5: We were trained to deal with suicidal callers and all
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  Speaker 5: of that. So it's always been something that's been important
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  Speaker 5: to me. And also movies. My dad is known as
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  Speaker 5: the incredible Inman around town. And so I grew up
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  Speaker 5: watching all sorts of movies and having a weird... Steel
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  Speaker 5: trap mine for random facts.
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  Speaker 1: Force two, whether you liked it or not. Yes. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think I told you that first time I met you.
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  Speaker 1: I worked with a guy who I think constantly wrote
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  Speaker 1: to you. your dad to complain. It's one of those...
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  Speaker 1: Because your dad started pre-internet, so he was doing the, hey,
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  Speaker 1: what was that guy in that thing when nobody could
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  Speaker 1: immediately just go look it up? Yes. And this guy,
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  Speaker 1: no offense to him, loved the man, but... He already
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  Speaker 1: knew everything. So when anyone would come up with something,
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  Speaker 1: he'd be like, well, no, it was this and that.
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  Speaker 1: And he'd want to argue. Again, it was like internet
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  Speaker 1: geek arguments before the internet was there. So he wanted
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  Speaker 1: to troll your dad, but there was no technology to
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  Speaker 1: do it yet. So he might have written paper or letter.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I just remember hearing him complain semi-regularly
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  Speaker 1: about things that, oh, no, that's not how it is.
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  Speaker 1: And he would rattle on. So I take no responsibility
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  Speaker 1: for any of that.
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  Speaker 5: He had some of those, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm assuming he would be forced to. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: from an early age, you were shoved into that geeky lifestyle.
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  Speaker 1: So now we're cashing in on that.
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  Speaker 5: I think I just kind of noticed a pattern of
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  Speaker 5: how mental illness is portrayed in movies. And I think
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  Speaker 5: lately we're moving towards more true-to-life representations. But it's pretty interesting,
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  Speaker 5: the whole history of it.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I think it's equal as much... Because
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  Speaker 1: now we just have so many that I think we
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  Speaker 1: also get just as many that get whatever Hollywoodized treatment
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  Speaker 1: of it we feel like we need. And I don't
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  Speaker 1: really mean that as a backhanded comment about Hollywood. But,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Hollywood knows what it is. So it's like
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  Speaker 1: it will play up what it needs to out of
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  Speaker 1: the story angle or the drama angle.
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  Speaker 6: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Whether it worries about... A, if it's doing horrible things
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  Speaker 1: to the characters, or B, if it's accurate to the
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  Speaker 1: way things actually are in the world. So, yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: think all of that is kind of the case and
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  Speaker 1: probably always has been, but I don't know that it's
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  Speaker 1: getting better. We just have had some better representations maybe
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  Speaker 1: in recent years, but... So did you have a specific,
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  Speaker 1: do we want to start with the old Silver Liners playbook?
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  Speaker 5: So I, in typical grad student fashion, wrote up like
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  Speaker 5: a six-page outline of different notes and things I wanted
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  Speaker 5: to talk about. Anyway. I was trying to figure out
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  Speaker 5: how I wanted to organize everything in my brain because
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  Speaker 5: there's so much that you can talk about. Yeah, like
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  Speaker 5: this is, again, a huge topic. So I just wanted
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  Speaker 5: to stop in certain areas and pick some things out.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I will go ahead and put an extra asterisk
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  Speaker 1: on right now. We're not going to get to everything.
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  Speaker 1: So number one, you don't have to try to cram
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  Speaker 1: everything in. We can return to this later if you'd like.
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  Speaker 1: Or you guys listening at home, we're not going to
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  Speaker 1: hit whatever one you're thinking of more than likely. So
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  Speaker 1: don't start firing off your angry email. Just send us
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  Speaker 1: a nice email. Go, hey, what about this one next
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  Speaker 1: time you talk about it? This is definitely one we
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  Speaker 1: can revisit ongoing as we continue this process. So this
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  Speaker 1: can be a first in a series if need be.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot of craziness in the world.
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  Speaker 5: All right.
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  Speaker 1: That having been said, now you don't have to overload everything.
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  Speaker 1: So where do you want to begin?
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  Speaker 5: So I kind of took it like decade by decade
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  Speaker 5: and just thinking about how the culture and society at
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  Speaker 5: that time kind of influenced these depictions or how the
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  Speaker 5: movies influenced the culture.
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  Speaker 1: It's vice versa. That's kind of one of my favorite
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  Speaker 1: things of this ongoing conversation about film is like from
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  Speaker 1: both angles. I will look at how, you know, what
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  Speaker 1: was going on in the world affected the movies that
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  Speaker 1: they made at that time and then Also, the other way,
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  Speaker 1: it's like, well, then you had 10 years of films
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  Speaker 1: being made this way, and then suddenly the world started
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  Speaker 1: to change around the films being made. So it's a
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  Speaker 1: nice little balancing that goes on. Yeah. So how far
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  Speaker 1: back did you go in this process?
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  Speaker 5: All the way to the 1920s. All right.
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  Speaker 1: This is kind of what I was hoping for. Yay.
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  Speaker 5: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: I like a wide range of stuff. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: And there were so many weird... movies back then okay.
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  Speaker 1: So in a good way actually like the more because
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  Speaker 1: there's so many i still haven't hit even as geeky
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  Speaker 1: as i am there's still so many older ones i'm
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  Speaker 1: still like finding out about and i will hear some
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  Speaker 1: stuff lately and i'll just like first of all how
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  Speaker 1: did i not hear about this movie by now and
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  Speaker 1: then i'll hear the story i'll be like how the
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  Speaker 1: hell did they get this made in 1931 or whatever
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  Speaker 1: year it was so there's some crazy movies back there
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  Speaker 1: oh yes so Just real quickly touching on what's going
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  Speaker 1: on in mental health and treatment at that time.
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  Speaker 5: Freud is big in psychoanalysis.
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  Speaker 1: A very level-headed, well-balanced man?
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  Speaker 5: Yes. So basically, to kind of sum up what he
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  Speaker 5: thought and how this will play into other things, basically
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  Speaker 5: a person's development is determined by forgotten events in their
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  Speaker 5: early childhood or So it focuses a lot of like
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  Speaker 5: irrational drives that are rooted in your subconscious and things
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  Speaker 5: you're not even aware of. And a big emphasis on
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  Speaker 5: sleep and dreams and all of that stuff. So really
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  Speaker 5: getting in there in the brain.
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  Speaker 1: It's your mom's fault. Just face it. It's all your mom's.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, everything is.
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  Speaker 1: It's true.
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  Speaker 5: That's where it comes from. So the movie that I thought.
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  Speaker 5: kind of reflected this a lot, is the classic, The
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  Speaker 5: Cabinet of Dr. Caligari.
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  Speaker 1: All right. I do like that one. Again, it's normally
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  Speaker 1: latched onto for the visuals, but a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: don't pay that much attention to the storyline. So what
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  Speaker 1: aspects tie into this on the story end of it?
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  Speaker 5: On the story end.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 5: So there's Cesare, who's the Somnambulist, the evil sleepwalker who
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  Speaker 5: is controlled by the doctor and does his bidding and
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  Speaker 5: murder and all of that bad stuff.
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  Speaker 1: We all have one of those, sure. Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 5: So again, sleep coming in. The dude is constantly asleep.
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  Speaker 5: So maybe those subconscious drives are kind of what's leading
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  Speaker 5: him to do bad stuff. And also the ending. It's
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  Speaker 5: a twist ending. Probably one of the earliest twist endings.
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  Speaker 5: Where it turns out that the whole movie was just
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  Speaker 5: a delusion by a patient in a mental hospital.
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  Speaker 1: Take that, M. Night Shyamalan.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: And since then, that twist has been done a hundred
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  Speaker 5: more times.
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  Speaker 1: Many of them that we can get to later. Like
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  Speaker 1: there are several I'm like, well, just throwing it into
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  Speaker 1: this category almost spoils certain movies. So I'm like, I
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  Speaker 1: guess we'll... Throw warnings out ahead of time. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's like some of these things, I'm like, just the
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  Speaker 1: fact that you know that comes into play throws off
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  Speaker 1: a key element sometimes. Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 5: And that the villain is really the psychiatrist. So that
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  Speaker 5: kind of shows the perception.
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  Speaker 1: Like always in life.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. He's not a happy, good guy that you want
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  Speaker 5: to talk to. He will make you murder people in
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  Speaker 5: your sleep. So kind of an interesting view on... The
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  Speaker 5: brain and what goes on and the inner workings and
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  Speaker 5: what is sane and not and all of that spooky
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  Speaker 5: fun stuff.
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  Speaker 1: All right. So how much of a jump do we
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  Speaker 1: have in between these in our timeline?
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  Speaker 5: So next up would be like the 40s. All right.
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  Speaker 5: And one that stuck out to me is Spellbound. Spellbound.
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  Speaker 5: Alfred Hitchcock movie, 1945.
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  Speaker 1: It's a very upfront with its psychological aspect.
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: To the point of just explaining it to people, which
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  Speaker 1: will come up again later with another Hitchcock movie. But anyway.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: We won't jump that far in. Mm-hmm. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So, Spellbound.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, so that one takes place again in a mental hospital.
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  Speaker 5: Ingrid Bergman is this gorgeous doctor, and Gregory Peck is
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  Speaker 5: this gorgeous guy at the asylum.
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  Speaker 1: This also happens in Hollywood. Sometimes you just accidentally everyone's gorgeous.
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  Speaker 1: What are you going to do?
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  Speaker 5: That would be my kind of mental hospital.
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  Speaker 3: Am I right?
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  Speaker 1: Sadly, that's probably not. It's a little more 12 Monkeys
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  Speaker 1: most of the time. Anyway.
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  Speaker 5: So Gregory Peck shows up. Um, they kind of figure
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  Speaker 5: out that he's an imposter of who he says that
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  Speaker 5: he is. And he knows that this doctor is dead,
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  Speaker 5: but he doesn't remember how it happened. And he has
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  Speaker 5: amnesia and blah, blah, blah. They run away together. Um,
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  Speaker 5: so she can kind of get to the bottom of
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  Speaker 5: what's going on, which again, bad therapist, uh, you don't
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  Speaker 5: do that you don't help somebody solve the mystery first
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  Speaker 5: of all.
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  Speaker 1: You want to get personally involved and by that it
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: probably means sleeping with them and then on top of
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: that you need to like throw yourself into the mix
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: and you make sure you're involved in every step of
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: their recovery you will say yes.
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: So yeah that's she's a very predatory therapist nice um
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: But I guess another main point about it is it
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: does a lot of dream stuff too, like the big
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: reveals done through dream therapy.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: And specifically, it's always my go-to because it's one of
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: my favorite crossing overs of I'm an art geek and
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: a movie geek, so when you work Salvador Dali into
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: an Alfred Hitchcock movie, it's like the umpteenth level of awesome, so.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: Even if the rest of what goes on in that
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: movie is questionable, just that weird sequence and the fact
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: that they came together in one place and time is
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: kind of awesome.
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: Yes. It's super cool.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: But again, a very on-the-nose representation of here's exactly what happens.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: You know how dreams are and everything's exactly the way
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: you think it is. Not weird nonsense that you have
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: to sift through later and be like, the hell was
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: that supposed to be? yeah but these are all very
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: accurate as to well obviously this means so yeah a
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: little a little ham-fisted but you know we'll take it
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: because it's weird salvador dali.
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: Stuff yes so that's one in the 40s and then
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: another one um is more reflective of World War II
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: and the post-World War II and everybody coming back with PTSD.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: We didn't know that officially. Just a little shell shock.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: I'll be fine. Just let me drink excessively. Yeah. I
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: will deal with it my way.
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: Not the best coping. So that was a pretty big
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: deal for a ton of people. And so there was
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: a documentary made by John Houston in 1946 called called
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: Let There Be Light. And that actually followed 75 combat
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: veterans who had come back and were being treated with PTSD.
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: But at the time, they called it nervous conditions. But
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: all of those symptoms... Just a little shell shock.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: You'll be fine.
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: Yes. So what we now know as PTSD. And it
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: actually depicted them and their therapists in a really positive light,
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: rather than I mean, just.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: Usual for most movies of that sort. Yes. Yeah.
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: Just kind of being, I mean, showing it honestly and
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: showing them with dignity and not these broken people who've
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: come back.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: Let me actually try to help you, not just prey
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: upon you. Exactly. Yeah.
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: Hey, science. A little less Freud, less of the dream stuff.
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: Now we're getting into like.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: Actual working through things that are going on.
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 21:20
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: But an interesting point to make about that one is
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: that it was actually banned by the army when it
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: came out due to, quote, Potentially demoralizing effects the film
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: might have on post-war recruitment. So they did not like that.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: Let's pretend like this sort of thing doesn't happen.
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: When has our country ever done something like that? That
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: seems unlikely.
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: So that's just that attitude again of sweeping things under
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: the rug and this isn't a big deal, it's fine.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: We need new people to join the army.
• 21:54
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: So that was an interesting one. Yeah, yeah.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: It's interesting how they, again, they interact with the real
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: world sometimes. Your movie might mess up our stuff in life,
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: so we don't like your movie. We're going to fight
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: your movie.
• 22:11
  Speaker 6: Yeah. Yep.
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: Not cool.
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: Not cool, Army. Putting that on the record now.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: We've got a lot.
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: Of people to kill.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: We don't have time for this.
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: So then, moving on to the 50s and 60s... More
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: negative portrayals of mental illness.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: The hell you say.
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: But, of course, my favorite that I want to talk about, 1960, Psycho.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: That, to me, is like, other than the little shoved
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: in scene at the end, which again was not Hitchcock's doing,
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: the rest of it is like, worlds ahead of where
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: everything like it's so like layered and so kind of
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: upfront with the weird stuff that's going on with this
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: character and kind of like honest about almost bringing a
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: balanced portrayal of it it's almost like we're seeing so
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: much of that movie from norman's point of view that
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: by the end you're like oh i kind of like
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: norman still is that okay? Like now I know he's
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: murdering people. Is that, wait, now how am I supposed
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: to feel? So you go, again, he already like switches
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: things up with the Marion shift. Yes. Swap. And then
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: from that point on, we spent, I mean, we bring
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: in new people that are sort of supposed to be
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: our good guy characters. But at the same time, it's like,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: we're seeing so much of what's going on from Norman's
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: end and from Like, trying to figure out what is
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: going on with him, and you don't really get most
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: of the, you know, until it's revealed, very obviously. So, like,
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: it does put him in a very almost sympathetic light.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: So that, to me, is a pretty balanced portrayal, like,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: especially for that far back, that, like, everything was supposed
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: to be about, you know, the villain is bad all
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: the time, where this one... the villain has problems. The
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: villain is kind of confused and like maybe if horrible
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: things hadn't been done to him the rest of his life,
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: like he wouldn't be like this. again, it gets very
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: heavy handed with the explanation at the end, which was
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: forced upon him as many things were in Hitchcock's career
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: of like, I don't, I didn't know that. Yeah. I
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: feel like a lot of the time he was, he
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: was fighting for stuff even as far as like, as
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: soon as he came to America, like his, his British films,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: you know, they kind of knew who he was and
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: let him do what he, but as soon as he
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: gets here, he starts doing like Rebecca and like David O.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Selznick is just fighting him every step of the way.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: So it's like, That's another one with a weird little mental, like,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: have you seen Rebecca? No, but I've read the book.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: Put it, well, yeah. Again, it varies. It becomes a little,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: because the book, I think, is very definite on how
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: that ending happens. And I think they switched that up, which, again,
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: may be more of Selznick influence as the stories go.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: But it was also, you're coming into Hays Code there.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: So they have to start readjusting things so that, again,
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: that weird thing of like, Well, we can't have bad
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: people coming out okay, so we have to find some
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: ridiculous way to punish them, even when it doesn't make
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: sense within the context of the movie. Bad seed. God,
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: that ending's ridiculous. So, yeah, we won't go down that road.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: But it's that kind of level of almost tying your hands.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Like when you're an artist, you can't even tell the
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: story you want to tell because we wouldn't want anything
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: bad to get out there to people. So almost an
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: over-correcting for the situation.
• 25:40
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: So yeah, that was sort of what was going on.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: But yeah, Rebecca's fascinating. You get into this weird little
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: dynamic of the woman who was like the head matron,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: more or less, the one taking care of the house
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: that was so kind of in love with the former owner, Rebecca,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: that like starts doing all these weird twisted things to
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: the new wife when she shows up. So that one
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: probably will fall into many of these categories too. So
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: future reference. Yes. We'll get back to that one again.
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: Yes. I guess another big thing about Psycho that continued
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: to be a plot device used a lot is multiple personalities.
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: Or now as we know it, dissociative identity disorder. That
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: is the proper name, but used to be called multiple
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: personality disorder.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: They told me I had. But anyway. I don't know
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: if I'm supposed to talk about it. Anyway, never mind.
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: Shut up.
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: Like, it's kind of, it becomes, at least to me,
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: I feel like it becomes a cheap plot device later.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: It's a crutch. Yes. It becomes like, I don't know
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: what to do with, oh, I know. Let's use multiple personalities. Like,
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: it's a get out of jail free card of like,
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: how can I not really deal with my problems in
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: this plot? Just throw that out there. Good enough. So
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: it's an easy move as time goes on. Mm-hmm.
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: I feel like, but it also kind of, at least
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: for me, kind of gives the viewer more reason to
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: have sympathy for him because it's like he's not really
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: even committing them. It's his mind.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: In his mind. Yeah. The him that we know isn't
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: even aware of what's going on in the other half.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: You know, it's like it's different if it's like just
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: other parts of his brain, but he's sort of conscious
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: of it all is one way that sometimes you'll see
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: it portrayed. But this is like, entirely separate people and
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: unbeknownst to themselves so it's like it it's yeah we
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: we get to one more recently that again i don't
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: want to jump ahead you may have it on your
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: list but i'll refer back to it if we don't
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: come to it yes so how many more avenues on
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: psycho again psycho's brilliant so feel free to loiter around.
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: Psycho as much as you want um i was going
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: to go into the um criteria for dissociative dissociative identity
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: disorder um just so we can see that like if
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: he really did a good job in actually having these
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: little things that it makes sense that that would be
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: his diagnosis um so one is that it's spurred by
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: some sort of childhood trauma That is so bad that
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: your brain just kind of separates.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: Breaks off.
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, just like, it's not going to process that. And
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: so that would be in this movie, of course, when
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: he killed his mother. Spoilers.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: And again, it also depends how much, if you just
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: want to take it as its own self-contained little movie,
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: or if you go on with that series, which it's
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: been a while since I've revisited, but the fourth one...
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Which is directed by Mick Harris. The fourth one, because
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: I talked to him about that movie, jumps back in time.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: And it's kind of prequel to before the original Psycho
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: movie would take place. And you see how the relationship
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: went with Mother and Norman. It's not healthy for Norman.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: So you start to also feel sympathy for that end
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: of it. Of like, oh, you're just a product of
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: child abuse. And sexual abuse. And, like, there's a lot
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: of horrible things going on in this childhood that would
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: kind of cause you to want to separate and break off.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: And there's reasons why. So, again, whether or not that
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: is actually part of the storyline... depends on how you
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: want to look at this again it's different people kind
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: of getting involved in writing and directing every step of
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: the way really so it's it's arguable what you want
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: to call that timeline especially if you start working the
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: tv show into it so yes it's all very complicated
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: but yeah just just the movie itself is its own
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: weird little snapshot of who Norman is, and it gets
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: more twisted the more we go in both directions on
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: that timeline.
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: Yes. And, of course, all the Ed Gein stuff, too.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's the other thing. That book and then
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: that movie, like, was the touchstone for every crazy that
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: came after that. I mean, it's like every weird movie
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: that became an important horror film was stealing stuff from
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: that Ed Gein story, basically. It's like Psycho took the
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: mother angle and some of that stuff. Texas Chainsaw Massacre
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: takes the human skin and all the weird stuff that
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: he's into. Silence of the Lambs steals from it. Everything
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: that came along after that, kind of like Ed Gein
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: was such a cornucopia of insanity that everyone that came
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: along to make a horror movie was like, oh, that
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: weird thing. But they took bits and pieces. Rarely did
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: anybody use the entire story. There's a couple of early Gein.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: There's a really pretty schlocky one, I think, from early
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: 80s that tried to do a decent version of it.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: I still don't think they even got into everything, but... Yeah,
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: it's rare that you saw them try to do the
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: Ed Gein story until recently. Usually it was just, here's
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: some weird stuff, let's steal that and put it in
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: our movie. And so, yeah, you do see how much,
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: once again, art is stealing from real life by this
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: real world story, and then they kind of weave it
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: into their story.
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: Yes. And Gein, actually, when he was arrested, he was
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: diagnosed with schizophrenia and sexual psychopathy.
• 31:37
  Speaker 6: And.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: fine furniture making lampshades are to die for oh that
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: would never.
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: But i mean yeah there is something about that that
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: captured the interest of everybody and it still does.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah it's that probably that there are certainly people killing
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: other people and even serial killers well before that but
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: that was that first like weird pop culture win that
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: like At that point, we didn't have the pop culture, like,
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: scene and media and insanity that we have now. But
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: I feel like it just enough bled through into the
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: real world that you start seeing it, like, take root. And, like,
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: you start seeing after effects, like, showing up in all
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: this art. Where, like, everything after that, you get to
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: the 70s and, like, we're overrun with people being sort
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: of morbidly fascinated with serial killers and murders in general.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: And so, like... That's the first key one, I feel like,
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: in American history that really sort of captured a sick
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: fascination for people and then probably spawned a bunch of
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: other people going, hey, I want to be a serial killer, too. Literally,
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: by the 70s, it was sort of an almost trendy thing.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: There were so many. Oh, my God. It's weird how
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: trendy it felt like it was.
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very strange.
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: And that's a... Another thing that I wanted to mention
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: is that in movies, especially in like starting in the
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: 60s and 70s and before, mental illness is often something
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: that a villain has or that makes a villain a villain.
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: Whereas in real life, people who are seriously mentally ill
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: are much more likely to be victims of violent crimes
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: than to commit them. Yeah. As a social worker, just
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: had to throw that out there, let you all know.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: Or one leads to the other. Like usually that's the
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: other thing you find is this person who's committing these
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: crimes is also the child of those kinds of crimes.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: So it becomes a really horrible little scenario that repeats
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: itself over and over. So yeah, it's either one or
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: the other. You swing the entire opposite way and you
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: become the best parent ever. Or you go right down
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: that same road and find some new twisted way to
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: mess up your child. And so, yeah, it's, some of
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: these are not fun. The real world is not fun.
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: No, no, it's not. Um, but yeah, so that was
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: something that kind of emerged. I mean, even the title
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: psycho is implying he's crazy.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, they got a point.
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: He's a little crazy.
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: So it's just, that's when, um, All that started happening,
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: and I'm a secret horror movie nerd, so I know
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: so many movies where the evil killer is something weird
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: happened to him in childhood, or he's just crazy and
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: indiscriminately killing, and he's an antisocial personality disorder sociopath, psychopath,
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: Christian Bale and American Psycho. So, just pointing out that...
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: There could be movies showing people with mental illness in
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: a positive light, which we'll get to, but not yet. Yes.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, it is, again, it's a pretty easy card
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: to throw out there, too. It's just like you almost
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: don't even have to back it up. Be like, oh,
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: he's crazy. You know, and like, oh, good enough. He's
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: the bad guy. So, yeah, it is an easy move
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: that you don't. Occasionally you get like more developed screenplays
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: and characters that like will give you reason to be like, oh, yeah,
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: he's messed up. But like, here's what happened.
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: And then we almost get too far into it as
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: you get to like late 90s and like early 2000s
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: becomes the let's overanalyze everything. Let's overanalyze every villain. Let's
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: see the other side of every villain story to the
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: point of like, I kind of don't care. Like you're
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: going too.
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: Deep into it.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So yeah, I've complained enough about the Halloween remakes.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: Let's stop trying to psychoanalyze Michael Myers. Like that's not
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: how he works. That's why his character worked before is
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: we didn't know anything.
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: You can go too far in the other direction. Definitely.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: Let's psychoanalyze what happened to Darth Vader. How did he
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: get like that?
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: What was his childhood like?
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: Or not good? Slave boy thrown into a religious cult?
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: Guess what? He didn't turn out well. So, yeah, it
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: almost swung the other way of like, let's overanalyze crazy. So, yeah, I...
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: It's so many, so many different avenues we can go down.
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: Yes, definitely.
• 36:14
  Speaker 8: In America's heartland upstate in Wisconsin, there's a tale, a
• 36:22
  Speaker 8: tale of a fiend. That a cannibal butcher and grave
• 36:29
  Speaker 8: robbing monster The groom of Wisconsin he did When his
• 36:36
  Speaker 8: old mama died And he said and he.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: Cried And he put in her old bedroom.
• 36:45
  Speaker 8: He loved her so dear And.
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  Speaker 2: And serve it. His name is R.P. McMurphy.
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  Speaker 3: He's 38 years old. He's being confined to the state
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: mental hospital. They say he's crazy. Why do you think
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: they might think that?
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: Don't make a bit of.
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  Speaker 5: Sense to me.
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  Speaker 2: Jack Nicholson.
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  Speaker 1: Is R.P.
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  Speaker 3: McMurphy in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think there's anything wrong with your mind, really?
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: Not a thing, Doc.
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  Speaker 1: Excuse me, miss.
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  Speaker 3: Do you think it might be possible to turn that
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: music down so maybe a couple of the boys could talk?
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: Your hand is staining my window.
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  Speaker 9: God almighty, she's got you guys coming and going.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: He broke all the rules.
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: Change never hurt, huh?
• 39:49
  Speaker 8: A little variety.
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: He challenged the authorities.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, come on.
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  Speaker 1: You're not going to say that now.
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  Speaker 2: You're not going to say that now.
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  Speaker 3: You're going to pull that henhouse shit now.
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  Speaker 5: When the vote the chief just voted, it was 10
• 40:02
  Speaker 5: to 9.
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  Speaker 1: I want that television set turned.
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  Speaker 5: On right now.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think he's overly psychotic. I want something too.
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  Speaker 1: I think he's dangerous.
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  Speaker 2: He defied the system.
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  Speaker 3: Jesus, I mean, you guys do nothing but complain about
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• 40:22
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  Speaker 1: Guts just to walk out.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, what do you think you are, for Christ's sake,
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  Speaker 3: crazy or something?
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  Speaker 2: Well, you're not.
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  Speaker 6: Hey, wait a minute. See how easy it is.
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  Speaker 3: He took a group of helpless, lost, and broken men
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• 40:46
  Speaker 3: state mental institution.
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  Speaker 1: This is Dr.
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  Speaker 6: I'm Dr.
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  Speaker 2: McMurphy.
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  Speaker 3: And how to laugh again. How about it, you creep,
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  Speaker 3: you lunatic, mental defective. He helped them remember what they
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: had forgotten with their dignity.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you, Mac.
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  Speaker 2: Jack Nicholson is R.P. McMurphy.
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  Speaker 5: Well, going back to broad themes, so then after Psycho,
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: then we started to have this movement towards closing all
• 45:04
  Speaker 5: the mental health institutions, and The original intention behind that
• 45:09
  Speaker 5: was to, you know, welcome these people back into the community,
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  Speaker 5: help them live everyday lives with, you know, as independently
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  Speaker 5: as possible, kind of getting these community supports. And guess what?
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: Somebody dropped the ball on them.
• 45:22
  Speaker 5: None of that happened.
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  Speaker 1: But by, you know, by their nature, like, again, I
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: think even some of those horrible things that happened, like,
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: nobody set out. Like, they weren't being villainous. Yeah, it
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: was some sort of plan, and then as many of
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: our plans go in our system we've built, somebody drops
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: the ball, and financing falls through, and funding runs out,
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: and then they're like, oh, oops, oh well. And everyone
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: shrugs and moves on with their day, and a lot
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: of people filter through the system.
• 45:49
  Speaker 5: And now they're all in prison. That's become the new
• 45:54
  Speaker 5: mental health institution. But, so... speaking of that um that
• 45:59
  Speaker 5: really kind of picked up in the late 50s and
• 46:02
  Speaker 5: 60s they're closing down these hospitals um and one of
• 46:05
  Speaker 5: the big influences for that was it was first a
• 46:08
  Speaker 5: book and then a movie um book came out in
• 46:12
  Speaker 5: 62 by ken casey and it's called one flew over
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: the cuckoo's nest.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say like to me even when you
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: threw out this option like that's the first one i
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: was like that's so like i mean we spend our
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: entire movie inside in a mental in the same asylum
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: like you know you and you see like crazy portrayed
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: not really in a glamorous hollywood way like it's everything
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: going on there is like at best i guess some
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: of it's funny but for the most part it's played
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: as grim as it really is so yeah it's it's
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: a it's an amazing movie and it is sort of
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: a rough watch at times and Also amazing to look
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: back at that cast and be like, good Lord, everybody's
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: in this movie. How did you pull that off?
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: Luckily, none of them are stars yet, so you didn't
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: have to pay anything.
• 47:02
  Speaker 5: And that kind of moves towards a more sympathetic look
• 47:05
  Speaker 5: at people who are in these mental institutions as well.
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: And I mean, it is rough, but it's, Pretty honest.
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: I mean, the lobotomies and electroshock treatment, that was pretty popular.
• 47:19
  Speaker 5: That was going on.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: We have to deal with them somehow.
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: These are the answers. So they have decided.
• 47:28
  Speaker 5: I guess, yeah. Easiest and quickest way.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: What gets them out of our way the quickest? It's
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: the least amount of work and money that we can
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: take care of this problem. Usually is what happens in
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: a lot of scenarios.
• 47:40
  Speaker 5: So it really showed that like, these institutions aren't doing
• 47:44
  Speaker 5: great stuff. It was a big driving force in kind
• 47:47
  Speaker 5: of shutting them down.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: Which, again, is a double-edged sword. Yes. Okay, but somebody
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: needs to deal with these people. Yes. Yeah, both ends
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: of this come out losing, actually.
• 48:01
  Speaker 5: And I think it kind of brings an interesting perspective
• 48:04
  Speaker 5: to it that Jack Nicholson isn't really... quotes but crazy
• 48:09
  Speaker 5: he's kind of faking it.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: Kind of but at the same time it's like he
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: isn't right either so you do start seeing this like
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: it's that same era it's really because again I always
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: return to this 70s era of film and it is
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: that it's also the director like it became his thing
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: like this is one of his first movies but you
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: see like almost every movie he makes after that it's
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: this weird loner outsider kind of person who's very against
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: the system and like so you start to see that
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: happening in the 70s anyway where all we start focusing
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: and all our main characters are people fighting against the
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: system even if the system's an institution you know it's
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: like it's still like is sort of the beginning of
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: that happening in cinema in general in the world in
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: general like Yeah, that era is kind of notorious for
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: that anyway. And yeah, we definitely see it come out
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: of that director over and over and over for the
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: rest of his career, really. Yeah.
• 49:09
  Speaker 5: And it's kind of interesting to think about how it
• 49:13
  Speaker 5: might have been viewed differently if it was just instead
• 49:16
  Speaker 5: following the story of someone who is schizophrenic or... you
• 49:20
  Speaker 5: know or from.
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: The other side of that if you're nurse ratchet watching
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: that movie you're just like i'm just trying to do
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: my job yeah these guys are a nightmare to deal
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: with day in and day out so it's like she's
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: sort of the villain of this but at the same
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: time i'm like rarely is she crossing the line most
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: of the time she's just has a terrible job yeah
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: so it's like it is perspective it is like there
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: are people that are like just going to work every
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: day like these guys wrestling him to the ground like
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: sometimes that is their job you know so it is
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: like a weird perspective angle of like we're seeing it
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: from the crazy person is the good guy side like
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: these are our team of you know ragtag misfits we
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: love them and the institution's keeping them down yeah well
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: There's a flip side to that, too. Sometimes there really
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: are crazy people and they do need someone to contain
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: them before they injure themselves and other people. And so, yeah,
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: it is sort of that balancing act of like, well,
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: where's the real story here?
• 50:15
  Speaker 5: So, yeah, that's definitely obviously a quintessential one whenever you're
• 50:21
  Speaker 5: talking about this topic. That's the first thing a lot
• 50:25
  Speaker 5: of people think of.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: That was kind of my initial response, yeah.
• 50:28
  Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.
• 50:29
  Speaker 5: So there's moving on a little more. The 80s and 90s. Again,
• 50:36
  Speaker 5: I think just kind of slowly moving towards a little
• 50:40
  Speaker 5: more sympathetic representation. Definitely not always accurate.
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: Time for some cool music video influenced crazy people. Oh, yeah.
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: Trying to think of cool 80s movies that might also
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: be insane.
• 50:54
  Speaker 5: I know, and this one was hard for me, actually,
• 50:56
  Speaker 5: thinking of trying to find a good.
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: Trying to think of, yeah, my go-to reaction for an
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: 80s-era movie that's also kind of dealing with either full
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: on crazy or just mental disorder. And I look right off.
• 51:12
  Speaker 5: Like the main ones that I could think of, and
• 51:15
  Speaker 5: they both deal with autism actually. So more of a
• 51:19
  Speaker 5: behavioral health disorder than the mental, you know, disorder, but
• 51:22
  Speaker 5: still falls into that.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: Which really nobody even fully understood and certainly wasn't acknowledged yet.
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
• 51:29
  Speaker 5: So Rain Man and What's Eating Gilbert Grape were the
• 51:33
  Speaker 5: two that I could think of. Um, I mean, obviously
• 51:37
  Speaker 5: Dustin Hoffman is praised for his performance, even though it's, again,
• 51:41
  Speaker 5: not totally accurate.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: It's almost more of a parlor trick than a mental disorder.
• 51:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah, like he's very on the savant side.
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he has like. a few moments where it's sort
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: of a downside but most of the time you're just
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: like wow that was pretty cool yeah it almost leans
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: more towards the like this mental disorder is kind of
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: handy i might want to rob a casino someday so
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: like it does find such weird ways to work it
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: in that like it it is like seen in almost
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: a positive light which i guess you want but at
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: the same time i'm like yeah but he's kind of
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: dealing with a lot and his life up until now
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: has been kind of a mess so it's like it's Yeah,
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: it is a weird, we're kind of thrown into a
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: very narrow window of time when it's like, and then
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: these characters come together. So we don't see the whole
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: rest of his upbringing that was probably not great. Yeah.
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: But he gets a road trip out of it.
• 52:35
  Speaker 5: Exactly. There you go. And like comparing his character, who's
• 52:39
  Speaker 5: super smart, to Leonardo DiCaprio's character in What's Eating Gilbert Grape,
• 52:44
  Speaker 5: that's a completely different end of the spectrum in terms
• 52:48
  Speaker 5: of kind of not super verbal and doing the typical
• 52:53
  Speaker 5: like movements.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: Ticks and movements and speech and all, which again points
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: to him. Cause the first time I'm like, if I had,
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: I not seen growing pains, I might've thought he was
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: really like that. It's so convincing the way that he
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: does that stuff that I'm just like, if I didn't
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: already know who you were by that time, like I
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: would totally buy it. Like he is so good in that.
• 53:15
  Speaker 5: And then it's, uh, I guess it's kind of interesting
• 53:18
  Speaker 5: to think about, how that could cross the line so
• 53:22
  Speaker 5: quickly into being, like, really inappropriate. Like, what if he
• 53:25
  Speaker 5: wasn't such a good actor, and then you just have
• 53:27
  Speaker 5: this guy who's just pretending to be autistic? Like, that
• 53:30
  Speaker 5: could have been so bad.
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: It's a fine line of... Well, I mean, with anybody
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: playing some sort of mental disorder, like, it's a fine
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: line of, like, at what point are you doing an
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: accurate portrayal, and what point does it become... offensive like
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: you know it's like when we get to like sean
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: pin doing it a few years later it's like and
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: that was a weird that was a weird movie because
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: they cast other people who genuinely had those mental disorders
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: to sit there in the scene with him so it's
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: like he's faking but like he's sitting there with a
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: table full of people who like actually deal with this
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: every day so it's like at what point is like
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: okay is it good artistic you know thing to do
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: this maybe it is is it crossing a line? I don't, yeah,
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: I never really decided. It's just a weird situation that
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: they kind of put themselves in, which again, maybe just
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: for accuracy sake, maybe it's way better to bring in
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: people who are actually dealing with it. And like, those
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: guys were actually pretty funny. What's that? What I remember
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: of those scenes, I'm like, had pretty good delivery for
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: non-professional actors. Like they, they were pretty good at doing
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: those scenes. So again, it's a weird thing of like,
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: at what point do you, bring in actors who aren't
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: the thing they're supposed to be. Because we get into
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: that a lot now. We just had a huge thing
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: with people dealing with gender. So now we aren't allowed
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: to have actors, or we should certainly have more people
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: actually who have dealt with the situation move to the
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: front of the spotlight here and get cast as the...
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: It's a weird game. Again, we're at a balancing act
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: of which side comes out with a better... I guess
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: it's like, you still want to look at it from
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: an artistic standpoint. So do you want to go with
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: the best actor of the bunch or do you want
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: to balance out the social injustice and be like, no,
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: I think this person needs to be in this role. So,
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, it, it applies towards, you know, mental situations
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: as well as other life. I don't know. It's a
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: very gray area. I still don't know what to do
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: with any other. So we jumped ahead a little, but okay.
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I didn't really come up with many other
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: eighties era characters. I did.
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: One of the.
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: Ones I jumped to was Girl Interrupted.
• 55:47
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: Which is very... Again, we spent an entire movie more
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: or less inside a hospital of sorts. So, yeah, that
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: one is one I remembered at the time being, yeah, like...
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: And again, early on for Angelina going, oh, yeah, this
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: girl's a pretty good actress. Yeah. I like Noni and all,
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: but Angelina kind of steals that movie away from her. So, yeah, it's...
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: but again, I feel like that one was not pushing
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: any weird boundaries. Like it's just a pretty decent, you know,
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: interpretation of, of a story inside of a hospital, but
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know. It didn't feel like it was doing
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: anything really out there and like really rubbing people the
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: wrong way kind of a situation. It was just like, Oh,
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: these are good performances. Yeah.
• 56:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 56:34
  Speaker 5: Okay. Moving on. 2000 to present. Um, I mean, there's no, like,
• 56:44
  Speaker 5: huge theme that I could think of for this other
• 56:46
  Speaker 5: than just kind of people are learning more about mental illnesses.
• 56:51
  Speaker 5: It's being talked about more. So it's less stigmatized. Definitely
• 56:55
  Speaker 5: not totally stigma-free. We have a long way to go.
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: I don't know that we'll ever fully get there.
• 57:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: As long as we're making progress, that's all we can ask.
• 57:06
  Speaker 5: I feel like there were... more movies that had characters
• 57:09
  Speaker 5: that had certain things going on that it wasn't necessarily
• 57:13
  Speaker 5: the entire plot of the movie is focusing on that,
• 57:15
  Speaker 5: you know, it's just something that they have and then
• 57:17
  Speaker 5: it's part of them as a character.
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: But then... Which I actually, yeah, in a lot of other, again,
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: different portrayals of characters, like I always kind of like
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: it better when you just make that part of a
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: life and that's not the focus of whatever... That's not
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: the entirety of their identity. Mm-hmm. That, like, whatever they're
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: dealing with, whatever different, whatever is different about their life
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: than the rest of the characters isn't played as, like,
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: that's their gimmick. Like, it's just part of who they are. Yeah. Like,
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: I always think that works better, which was kind of, like,
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: a hard lesson for, like, movie makers to learn. Like,
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: it became a real easy move to just kind of
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: use everyone as a caricature. But, like, as time went on,
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: we saw a few better portrayals of different types of characters.
• 58:02
  Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.
• 58:02
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 58:03
  Speaker 5: So, like, one that I thought of that's kind of
• 58:06
  Speaker 5: like that, also one of my favorite movies, is Little
• 58:08
  Speaker 5: Miss Sunshine. Because in that, Steve Carell, in the beginning,
• 58:12
  Speaker 5: he's in the hospital for a suicide attempt. And then
• 58:17
  Speaker 5: it's not like the entire rest of the movie is
• 58:19
  Speaker 5: in the hospital. You know, he comes out and he
• 58:21
  Speaker 5: gets back with his family and they take this whole
• 58:23
  Speaker 5: trip together. And it's not, they're not, like, always focusing
• 58:27
  Speaker 5: on that. But it's just plainly, like, he tried to
• 58:30
  Speaker 5: commit suicide.
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: It is a part of his story, but again, that's
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: with a lot of people. It's part of your life
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: from that point on.
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: And sometimes something that you return to. So you can't
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: just write it off like, oh, well, it is something
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: they're working through and needs to continue to be worked through,
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: or you end up right back at that same place.
• 58:50
  Speaker 5: Yes. And the whole theme of family support, and really
• 58:55
  Speaker 5: everybody in that movie, every character has something Kind of.
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: Weird or dark around them.
• 59:00
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 59:01
  Speaker 5: And so even if they're not necessarily coming out of
• 59:03
  Speaker 5: a hospital, you know, they all have their own things
• 59:05
  Speaker 5: to deal with and one's not more urgent and huge.
• 59:09
  Speaker 5: than all the others they all kind of as a
• 59:11
  Speaker 5: family I mean all families are like that at least
• 59:15
  Speaker 5: mine everybody's crazy got their weird stuff you know got
• 59:19
  Speaker 5: their quirks crazy families yeah but you love.
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: Each other anyway and you strangle I mean you love
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: each other anyway.
• 59:28
  Speaker 5: Hopefully um and i mean kind of similarly to that
• 59:33
  Speaker 5: lars and.
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: The real girl what it seems normal have i introduced
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: you to my girlfriend oh no wait yeah keep that
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: under wraps.
• 59:42
  Speaker 5: Like clearly that's the big the big plot point um
• 59:46
  Speaker 5: but again his family is you know those are supporting
• 59:50
  Speaker 5: characters that are maybe a little too supportive yeah yeah
• 59:54
  Speaker 5: but what i don't know what would you do in
• 59:56
  Speaker 5: that situation that And I don't even remember if he
• 59:59
  Speaker 5: has an actual diagnosis or anything in that movie.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: It's just a little strange.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 5: There's just something off about him and his sweaters.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: Seems fine to me. We've all had those times.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 5: Everybody's brought home one of those.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: Sometimes you have to go to the special shop and
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: you pick out a friend. I'm waiting until those good
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: Japanese ones show up. They're working on nice robot versions
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: that thinking that's really gonna change things when i mean
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: i do kind of look at like they may you
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: may you look at like a the new blade runner
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: movie and i'm like we're not that far away from
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: that or we have some sort of mechanized version of
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: a person that you can have hanging around your house
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: if you want and like at what point do we
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: start to actually like emotionally rely on these people people
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: people whatever they are yeah it's like whatever I mean,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: it is. It's a weird sci-fi jump forward, but I
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: don't think it's that far of a jump.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 5: No.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: You look at some of the weird things there, and again,
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: I usually blame Japan, but they're making some really impressive
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: and weird things now that I'm like, it's one shade
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: away from that. Where then, at what point do we
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: all start becoming Lars? And we all start becoming like, well, yeah,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: I know it's a thing. And then six months later,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: you're like, talking to it a lot. And then at
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: some point, and then they can talk back to you now. Yeah.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: what point do we like again like i do i
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: think like that's going to be a real issue in
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: the future yeah so we almost need to start deciding
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: what do we need to do in this situation.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 5: Because i think it's gonna be real yeah that's a
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 5: whole other can of worms human robot relationship.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: Get ourselves a robot and get emotionally attached to it
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: yeah that's bound to happen which.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 5: Could even lead to its own new classification of mental
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 5: disorders maybe i.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: Have special feelings for r2 and always have.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 5: People are, you know, into whatever they're into. Some people
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 5: like cars.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: It's just finding the most healthy way to deal with it. Exactly.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: We're all messed up, but you have to find the
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: most healthy way to deal with whatever thing you're messed
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: up about.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a good takeaway.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: For this episode. I mean, it's kind of true.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 5: Take it from us.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: We're messed up, but we're finding productive ways to deal.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 5: Healthy coping mechanisms.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. Talking about it on that's the most useful
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: way to deal with all of this yeah you guys
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: know that right.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 5: Um and then another one that i think you were
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 5: kind of thinking about earlier in terms of the split
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 5: personalities would be split split yes which.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: Is a pretty obvious one, but at the same time,
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: not a terrible presentation. Like it's a very, again, over
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: the top dramatized version of it, but it is watching.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: That was kind of fascinating because it is that same
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: thing of all of these characters are so self-contained. It's
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: not within a one person who knows all the voices
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: and they know about the voices and they're talking to
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: each other. This is completely separate personalities and they, treat
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: each other like they are certain completely different entities and
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: they interact in a world as though the other people
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: are people out there like it is so pinned down
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: like how that character sees the world around him and
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: each of these individual characters see the world around them
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: like it's a good again I don't know how accurate
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: it is compared to actual cases but I'm like within
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: the world of this movie it's a really great acting
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: performance and it like really paints that picture of who
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: this messed up character is. Yeah.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 5: And again, that's like a real thing that happens with
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 5: this disorder is that when you are switching between these
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 5: different personalities, you kind of black out.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 5: Then you don't really remember what happened during that. So,
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 5: That's an actual thing that happens. So it's accurate in
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 5: that way. And again, I think it kind of helps
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 5: you sympathize with him and kind of at least root
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 5: for him a little more than if he was just
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 5: your classic scary guy locking people up.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: Or some of him. Yes, exactly. Again, there's certainly ones
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: that you're like, oh, no, I like this kid. All right,
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: I like him. And then I go, oh, no, wait. Oh, wait,
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: what the hell's coming in her mouth?
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 5: Or you can, you know, feel bad for him that
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 5: he is experiencing all of these drastic shifts. I mean,
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 5: I'm sure that's exhausting for him. And he doesn't, you know,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 5: totally understand what's going on either.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: And it does sort of introduce the idea that, again,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: and this has become a weird thing, like in the
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: post 2000s era, when we like everything is kind of
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: centered around a superhero movie. like now these mental disorders
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: have kind of crossed over into, which, you know, the
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: X-Men has always kind of been like weird things that
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: are going on in people's lives or then turned into like, well,
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: it's kind of my superpower, but it also sucks for me,
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: by the way. Like it's always been pretty balanced in
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: the way it's like, it's not really a great thing,
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: but this is what, this is the burden I bear
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: and this is what I'm doing with it. So that
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: kind of comes into play here as again, the M.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: Night Shyamalan twist of like, it comes back into play
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: into another movie of his, which is kind of a
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: superhero genre movie. So now we're seeing this, I guess
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: more of a super villain, but like his mental disorder,
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: like physically is turning him into a creature, a super
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: villain monster, which I'm like, well, maybe this is just
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: an extreme version. I haven't run into this one yet,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: but I'm like, I do like that. Again, it's, it's,
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: Putting a very real world version of like this. Again,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: we see so many superhero stories that I'm like, they
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: all seem, you know, comic booky and detached from real
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: world humanity. And I'm like, well, what if it's a
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: shade difference? What if it's these people are dealing with
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: something real in their life and it's manifesting itself in
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: this way and these horrible things they're doing are real.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, most superheroes, especially supervillains, But even the heroes
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: a lot of times come from somewhere. I mean, the
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: Batman story, for God's sakes, it's all like a traumatized
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: childhood that has turned you into this weird, messed up
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: character that like, so this is just sort of following
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: that road. And like, what if physically it manifests you
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: into this horrible creature? Like it really does sort of,
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: I like that balance of like, yeah, it takes it
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: a little extra Hollywood step, but at the same time
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: it's rooted in real mental disorder and like, there really
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: is just kind of an extra little nudge into that
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: area that I like that it grounds it a little
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: bit and gives you that. Cause that's kind of the
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: other half of that. If, if they end up crossing
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: over the way they're talking about, like back over into
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: the unbreakable world, like he also was like dealing with
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: these weird, like almost powers, but he didn't understand where
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: they came from or how they attached themselves to who
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: and what he was. So like, it's, It is sort
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: of a very real world superhero story. And again, maybe
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: they're not all from outer space and it's not, you
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: don't need gamma rays to turn you into like, maybe
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: it's something weird inside you already that we don't quite understand.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: So I don't, I always liked that aspect of both
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: of those movies, I guess. Yeah.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 5: So there's, okay. Then the last one that I have
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 5: on my list and then we can just bring up whatever,
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 5: but it's the one that started this conversation. silver linings playbook.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: The most healthy way to deal with mental disorder yeah
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: everything going on in that movie and the thing is
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: what's weird because i did a whole episode on this
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: movie and i'm just like i ended up really liking
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: it it's so weird the things that are going on
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: and the thing that to me is the most jarring
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: is the fact that two thirds of the way in,
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: it forgets it's a movie about mental disorder.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 5: It just becomes a dance romance movie. It was the
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 5: weirdest ending.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: It's a very strange shift because so much of that
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: first two thirds is dealing with his, you know, mental disorder.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: And then we're introduced to her and then how they
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: interact with each other and how messed up their families are,
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: which kind of led them to this possibly. And like,
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: so we get so engrossed in all that. And then
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: that last third kicks in and it's like, throw all
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: that out the window i want to make a rom-com
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: and so like we have a dance-off and we have
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: a very traditional are they aren't they gonna get together
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: moment i'm just like how does this have to do
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: with what happened earlier yeah but that last third is
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: really effective in its own way like it almost just
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: needs to be in its own movie and like go
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: ahead and finish this story And then do a more
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: traditional romance kind of a movie to put that last
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: third into because that end is really effective. Like it
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: does really work, but at the same time, it doesn't
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: match everything else going on. on the first hour no
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: i mean it's very strange.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 5: It kind of makes it seem like uh your bipolar
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 5: disorder and your depression and anxiety are cured with a
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 5: kiss and now you're gonna go i mean that's true
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 5: like it's just like yeah.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: I don't know that's why it's fine for doctors to
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: start making out with their patients they're just trying to cure.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 5: Them yes take a clue from ingrid bergman.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah that's what she always does so.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 5: It's And that, I think the reason we started talking
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 5: about it was because that was my example of a
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 5: terrible therapist. That guy's therapist in that movie is horrible.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 5: It's so bad. When he plays Bradley Cooper's, like, he
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 5: and his wife's song, I can't remember what song it was,
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 5: but he plays it in the waiting room of his
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 5: office to see if it would still affect Bradley Cooper.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: That's pretty twisted.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 5: And he starts freaking out, and all these other patients
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 5: are there waiting, and he just has this huge freakout, like,
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 5: that is a bad therapist. Everyone just needs to know,
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 5: don't do that.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: Therapists, Bengali, whatever, I mean, you know.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 5: Man should lose his life. And then he comes to
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 5: his house after the game where they got arrested for
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 5: getting in a fight. And then he shows up at
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 5: the dance competition in the end and is like, you go,
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 5: my boy.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: It's okay because they're like pals. So it's okay to
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: torture your pal. Mentally torment your pal.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so I just, if there's anything that I can
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 5: spread to you listeners today is that that is a
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 5: bad therapist. If you have a therapist like that, get anyone.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 5: That guy would lose his license.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: That's why Bradley Cooper is so messed up. Maybe, you know?
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: I like to transfer all these activities onto the actual actor.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: Bradley Cooper is a little bit crazy.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's because he's got a bad therapist.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 5: So that was just.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: That's my, yeah, I barely get into the mental problems
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: with it as much as the story structure.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: I just, like, couldn't get over the fact that it
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: just flipped a switch and, like, we forgot all about
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: that stuff. Like, it just becomes a total normal romance movie.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: It really did.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: It works, sort of, on its own terms, but it
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: doesn't match the words to this movie. Like, It's very strange.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: Although the man making that movie is a little disturbing.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: Not that I'm the person to diagnose him, but he's
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: got some problems. He's got some anger issues. So yeah,
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: if you don't believe me, yeah, go Google his story.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: Because when you have footage of him yelling at one
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: of his actors on set in front of everyone else
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: to the point that it goes public. And then later
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: is like, oh, whoops, sorry about that. And oddly, they
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: made up, because again, I asked her about that one time.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: But aside from that, we also have, I think, because
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: I think Lucy called him out for this on a
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: previous episode. He blamed that, like the whole reason that
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: Silver Linings Playbook came together was because he was kind
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: of like influenced by his son and his son dealing
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: with those. I'm like, wait, wait, wait, you're saying... You
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: don't have anger issues. You don't have some mental issues
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: hiding in there. No, no. You're going to shift all
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: the blame onto your son? There's a healthy parent for you. Oh, man. Yeah,
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: he's a twisted character. I occasionally make some fine films,
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: but he's a weird dude, so I don't know what
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: to do with that either. Again, the real world crosses
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: over sometimes, and it's very strange.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and in terms of... Just movies in general. And
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 5: I think a lot of creative people are also usually
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 5: sometimes they have some sort of something going on. Not
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 5: necessarily a diagnosis, but their brains, I think, just work
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 5: a little differently.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: Process things differently. Again, I think that's why I've been
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: so drawn towards not just the arts, but maybe people
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: that are interested in the arts. And it may be
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: a sign of my own disorders. But I, like, I really, like,
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: it is interesting how much I will want to sit
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: down and talk to people who are, like, really ingrained
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: in that part of life and their brain and art and, like,
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: versus normal people who don't claim to be involved in
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. And I could care less about them.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: So it is really, like, it is something I've noticed
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: in myself over the years is why is it that
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: I constantly want to talk to these people about their
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: artistic pursuits and, like, what is it that draws them
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: to make those? And then why do I then want
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: to discuss them at great length? It is a weird
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: little scenario that's happened over the years.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's fascinating stuff. And it's them kind of taking
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 5: what's going on in the internal workings of their mind
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 5: and quirks and whatnot and putting that out externally in
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 5: some way for other people.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: Some jerk makes you talk about it. Try to figure
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: out why your brain made you do these things.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 5: Are we having our own therapy session right now?
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: Maybe every week I'm just having a therapy session. Yeah.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: I do invite people to lay down when we start.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: It usually doesn't happen, but I'm just saying. Okay, Doug Jones.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: He just wants to get on the floor. That's different.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 5: I love him.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: Doug Jones is a wonderful person. He is who I
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: talked at great length about with Silver Linings Playbook. He's
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: the one that requested that we talk about that movie.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: And no surprise, he didn't want to talk about the
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: mental aspects of it. He wanted to talk about the
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: lovely romance that it was. Oh, Doug Jones. Again, he
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: was totally on board with that finale. I mean, again,
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: I think it's massively effective. But, yeah, it's a strange movie. So, again,
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: it is a weird little therapy session every week. I'm
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: pretty sure. I'm not sure which one I am. Maybe
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: I'm on the couch every week. Speaking of who the
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: hell is the doctor, this was one I thought of,
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: and it does kind of fall in that gray area
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: in the 90s that we didn't have a ton of
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: stuff for. The other one, I think after Cuckoo's Nest,
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: my next one I jumped to when we were thinking
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: about more of the therapist end of it was, what
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: about Bob? Have you seen What About Bob?
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 5: You know, I haven't, and I had so many people recommend.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: It to me. Yeah, I think you need to, because
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: it is one of, like, it's one of, first of all,
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: most genuinely funny and like so not even Taylor made
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: to Bill Murray like Bill Murray just moved into this
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: movie and made it his own and like he's lovable
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: and definitely very messed up not even like they pencil
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: in some very specific things in the beginning but as
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: time goes on you see like what a weird messed
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: up character he is and then you do see the
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: doctor trying to deal with him and it doesn't go
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: as he plans and And then you do see how
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: like family involvement like changes who you are and changes
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: how you deal with things in your life. It's, it's
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: pretty amazing. Like it is one of those that I
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: think at the time just sort of flew under the radar.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: And then eventually everybody found that on cable and now
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: everybody kind of knows it, but I still don't think
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: it ever got the recognition for how good a movie
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: it is. Like it is just really well written and
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: amazing performances from both like Richard Dreyfuss is an insane
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: person himself. By the end, the way that everything balances
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: out is so amazing. If you haven't seen it, there's
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: a recommendation for everyone. Go watch that one.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 5: It's kind of funny how that theme can cut across
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 5: so many different genres. There's comedies, there's dramas, there's horror movies,
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 5: there's thrillers.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of crazy people. They end up in
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: every movie.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah, which makes sense because I think one in four
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 5: Americans at some point will be diagnosed with a mental illness.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 5: That's not even counting the people who can't even go
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 5: get help.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: Or be diagnosed. Who don't get diagnosed and just deal
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: with it.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 5: So no wonder it's so pervasive in media in all
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 5: different ways because so many people have dealt with it,
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 5: even if not themselves, then a family member or a friend.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 5: But pretty much everybody has some connection.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah. to that topic definitely and we I mean we
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: even start to see now where it's not even a
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: disorder it's not like before it was such a stigma
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: of like a handicap but like I think I've mentioned
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: before I now deal with a kid who's autistic and
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: I'm like he is so freaking smart it's ridiculous but
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: the way that he deals with the world is different
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: and that's one of those like watching that firsthand is
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: just like fascinating because it really is like It's such
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: a balance of like you see how smart the brain is,
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: but it doesn't know how to interact with other people.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: And it doesn't know how to insert himself into a
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: normal daily life. So he just does what he thinks
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: he needs to do throughout the day. And like it's
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: so interesting to just kind of watch that. So now
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: we're starting to see that like that in and of
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: itself isn't even seen negative anymore. it's starting like people
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: are getting a little enlightened about all of these things
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: that I'm like they don't have the stigma that they
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: probably even looking back to like a Rain Man where
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: it was still like kind of it's something you would
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: keep in the closet they wouldn't talk about that so
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: much so that he never mentioned his brother for most
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: of his life like that kind of weird thing where
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: now it's like it really is just a different aspect
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: of your life and like something you have to deal
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: with it's to the point of like you know now
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: it's dyslexia. It's like you've learned to think in a
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: different way and maybe things are okay for you. Like
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: it's almost like a weird version of that. Like it's
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: almost like the more you deal with it, the more
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: open about the stuff that we are and everybody accepts
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: it as a real thing.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: And starts to work at it like it can just
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: become a normal life. It isn't like a kiss of
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: death from day one. You'll just be in an asylum
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: the rest of your life because you have this problem.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: Like now it's things that people can work through and
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: actually have a life that's pretty normal after the fact.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: So it really is. Yeah. It's interesting to see that
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: shift kind of happening as time goes on as well.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 5: Like it's not. bad it's just different yeah and sometimes
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 5: even seeing things in a certain way can be a
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 5: strength because of how different it is yeah i mean
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 5: i don't know wes anderson probably doesn't have any diagnoses
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 5: but the way that.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: He probably does maybe they might not have officially been
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: documented but look at his movies there's something weird going on.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 5: But yeah exactly like that's how he sees things that
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 5: would be his you know ideal version of the world
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 5: i guess.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: With Again, tell me there isn't something like that going
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: on in a brain that's that meticulous and obsessive compulsive. Yeah.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: There isn't something almost autistic going on there. So, yeah.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: Maybe he was just early on and didn't get diagnosed,
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: and instead he channeled it into filmmaking. Yeah, which, I mean.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: It's worked.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 5: Exactly.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: He got a fan base and makes some quality movies.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to think. There was another one I was
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: going to see if you'd seen. There's just so many others. Like, again,
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: that's why I'm like, we're just scratching the surface. Like,
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: I see so many others that, like, because I knew
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: you had such a list going that I was like,
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: I'll just kind of go with it and not bring
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: up a ton of them. So, like, looking ahead, I
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: know the one, yeah, the one I was going to
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: ask if you'd seen only because you said you like horror. Again,
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: I brought this one up a lot on the show.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: Have you seen Session 9? Section 9 is brilliant.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 8: Yes.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: And not a traditional horror movie and not a traditional
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: mental disorder movie and not even a traditional ghost story.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: It kind of is everything rolled into one. Yeah. It's amazing.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: But we do, you know, we spend the entire time
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: in an insane asylum and we sort of have a
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: supernatural element. We have them going through these tapes of
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: the doctor and then by the end you start to
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: see a very we want to get into some schizophrenia.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: There's a little bit of that going on. So it's like,
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: and by the end, it's almost how you take what happens.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: I have a very definite version of how I feel
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: like it happened by the end. And I've heard other
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: people discuss it and totally going in a different direction.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: So I'm like, it is one of those, which I
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: kind of like, like, I kind of like when you
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: can take your, Oh, I think again, I think that's
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: good art when, people see it from totally different sides
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: and have an entirely different perspective while watching the same movie.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: You know, I think that's, that's an impressive work of
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: art when people take something different from it. So that's
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: one of those that like, it kind of is, I
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: think how you look at things as to what you
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: feel like happens by the end of it. But yeah,
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: one that kind of grazed all of those things we
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: were mentioning. Cause anytime, any giant hospital or asylum, I
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: just have flashbacks of session nine and It's so weird. Yeah. Like,
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: those visuals are amazing. Yes. I think that hospital is
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: long gone now. I think shortly after they shot it, they, like,
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: the whole thing got dozed. So the fact that we
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: at least have that movie, like, looking at that, because
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: any giant abandoned place is sort of fascinating, as well
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: as old hospitals. Yes. That kind of hits all those points.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 5: Super atmospheric.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 5: Spooky. And I guess, again, like, just the history of
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 5: it with the people being in there and the things
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 5: that probably happened to them, that just makes it even
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 5: more creepy and.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: Rooted in reality. Yeah. More than you, again, uncomfortably, more
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: than you wish it was.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: Because that's the kind of stuff that was going on
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: when they were shutting down hospitals. Yeah.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 5: And, of course, that's not the only, you know, horror
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 5: movie to ever be set in an abandoned, insane asylum,
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 5: which is kind of funny.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: But I felt like it was.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 5: kind of approached it differently yeah and wasn't so like
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 5: hitting you over the head with.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: From a couple of different angles like it is like
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: again i think that movie's brilliant because it's so not
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: what you're expecting it doesn't do anything the way that
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: you would expect even by the end it's unconventional like
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: yeah another one of those that i don't think has
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: fully gotten the appreciation it deserves yeah that's a good
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: one so yeah any other random one-offs Because, again, we
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: can certainly devote an entire another episode or multiple episodes
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: to this. Because I feel like, yeah, there's so many more.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: Everyone's crazy. By the end, you're just, yeah, there's something
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: in every movie that like, well, actually, if you look
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: at it this way.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: They're probably dealing with this. So, yeah. I don't know.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: Anything else major we want to hit? Or what is,
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: I guess, if we're wrapping up, what is your overall
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: take on all of this? Again, you've watched all these
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: over the years. You've sort of seen it as you're
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: also building your own career based on these things. So
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: how did they cross over and what's the takeaway from
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: it all?
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 5: Well, I think, like I mentioned in the beginning, just
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 5: the interesting relationship between movies and culture and how attitudes
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 5: from either one can kind of influence each other yeah
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 5: and and i think it is an individual thing um
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 5: person by person how they interpret these sorts of movies.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: And that that's that's what i was saying like that
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: i do feel like there is almost a shade of
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: it maybe in everything because there's so many different people
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: and so many different ways that people interpret things and
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: deal with things that like, maybe all of these characters
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: are dealing with something along these lines. It's just maybe
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: a lesser version or maybe they're a little better equipped
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: to handle it, but like they're all kind of dealing
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: with their own weird neurosis and issues. And so, yeah,
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: I think it bleeds into almost every story in a way.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 5: And just like, don't believe stereotypes. Um, Hollywood likes to
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 5: make things very simple sometimes. But it is interesting to
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 5: just kind of look back and see how things have
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 5: shifted and how attitudes have shifted. And I hope that
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 5: they continue to become more accepting of these things and
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 5: that it becomes more normalized and portrayed more accurately. You know,
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 5: people actually thinking about what their portrayal could mean for,
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 5: people who actually have that disorder. And so, I don't know.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 5: I think I do see a shift towards more acceptance
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 5: and more realistic portrayals, less dramatized, which is good. So
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 5: I hope that we just continue to kind of move
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 5: forward with that acceptance and that people can feel more
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 5: comfortable just being themselves.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying don't occasionally make really schlocky horror movies
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: with bad stereotypes. Killers. I'm using air quotes here. Crazy psychos.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: You can still do that every once in a while.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: But for the most part, we'd like to balance it
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: with some really well-written, you know, real-world representations of what
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: people deal with. So somewhere in between, we can find
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: a good medium.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Like, I hope to see more involvement of people
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 5: who actually... Have those diagnoses.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 7: Again.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 5: You know, writing and directing and acting and actually being
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 5: a part of it.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Which is. Not just Wes Anderson. Which we've decided.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 5: Is a little off. We're just kidding, Wes.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: Not really.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: Sorry.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 5: Kind of for real.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 2: Call us.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: We'll talk it through. But yeah, it is interesting. I
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: think we are kind of moving somewhere to that. to
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  Speaker 1: that area so it would be yeah it would be
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  Speaker 1: interesting to see if if now that we're treating that
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  Speaker 1: as something normal if we have like full-on artistic kids
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  Speaker 1: that are then going to grow up and become filmmakers
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  Speaker 1: yeah and and it's going to be very public and
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  Speaker 1: they're going to be you know like addressing the fact
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  Speaker 1: that i grew up and dealt with this and you
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  Speaker 1: know reshifted things in my brain to be able to
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  Speaker 1: function a little more in normal society and now i'm
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  Speaker 1: a productive member of society, which is what I think
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  Speaker 1: they're going towards in every kid's life. Everybody that's dealing
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  Speaker 1: with that stuff, that's what they want. So it'll be
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  Speaker 1: nice if we start getting success stories that actually are,
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  Speaker 1: you know, bringing us artistic versions of all this stuff. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It'll be kind of cool to see that. Assuming that's
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  Speaker 1: where we're going. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Come on, Hollywood.
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  Speaker 1: Assuming we survive that far into the future. Well, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And we all fall in love with robots. Right.
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  Speaker 5: That's also going yeah that's the last point i want.
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  Speaker 1: To make it's life it's real life yeah don't fall
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  Speaker 1: in love with robots it's coming i'm okay or do
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  Speaker 1: i'm okay with it really it's the only hope i
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  Speaker 1: have for you know don't.
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  Speaker 5: Hurt yourself or anybody else and.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah just everybody be nice to each other and
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  Speaker 1: as long as nobody's getting hurt in the process everyone's
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  Speaker 1: consenting your robot says it's okay it's all good then
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  Speaker 1: it's all good.
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  Speaker 5: I can't wait for this future it's gonna be awesome.
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  Speaker 1: All right. Well, thank you for joining us.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you for having me.
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  Speaker 1: And you're definitely welcome back for Not Just More Crazy
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  Speaker 1: if you'd like to sit in on any specific topic. Again,
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: you're the only one throwing out topics for the grind.
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  Speaker 1: Give us some new topics or tell us some. Again,
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  Speaker 1: don't yell at us. You can make a list of
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  Speaker 1: ones that we haven't covered that you'd like to hear
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  Speaker 1: us discuss in the future. So that can all be
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  Speaker 1: arranged on a future episode. Otherwise, that about does it.
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  Speaker 1: We will return next time. Same geek bead. Thanks for listening.
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  Speaker 5: Bye.
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  Speaker 7: I remember when, I remember when I lost my mind.
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  Speaker 7: There was something so pleasant about that face. Even your
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  Speaker 7: emotions had an echo in so much space When you're
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  Speaker 7: out there without care I was out of touch It
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  Speaker 7: wasn't because.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know enough I just knew too much Does
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  Speaker 1: that make me crazy? Does that make me crazy?
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  Speaker 9: Probably And I hope that you are having the.
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  Speaker 7: Time of your life Overthink twice That's my only advice
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  Speaker 7: Come on now, who do you, who do you think
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  Speaker 7: you are? Whoa, that's your soul. Do you really think
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  Speaker 7: that you're in control? Well, I think you're crazy. I
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  Speaker 7: think you're crazy. I think you're crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Just like me.
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  Speaker 7: My heroes have the heart to lose their lives out
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  Speaker 7: on the ground And all I remember is thinking I
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  Speaker 7: want to be like them Ever since I was little,
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  Speaker 7: it looked like fun It's no coincidence that I've come
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  Speaker 7: I can die.
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  Speaker 9: When I'm done.
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  Speaker 1: Baby, I'm crazy.
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  Speaker 9: Baby, you're crazy.
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  Speaker 7: .
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  Speaker 9: .
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  Speaker 1: .
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  Speaker 8: .
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  Speaker 7: .
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: Speaking of Isle of Dogs, we're also testing this new
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  Speaker 1: facility for dogs. You may have heard me comment on
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: my goranimals in previous episodes, but Now they're jammed right
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  Speaker 1: next to us, commenting on their thoughts of Iowa Dogs,
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  Speaker 1: which they were watching it, kind of. They were in
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  Speaker 1: the room. Feel free to shut up any time.
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  Speaker 5: Did they like it?
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  Speaker 1: Did they approve? They were not paying near enough attention,
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  Speaker 1: I felt. I'm like, look, it's dogs in stop motion.
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  Speaker 1: Come on, keep watching.
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