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- 00:00:00:00 - 00:00:09:31 Michael You're tuned into the E.E. show where everything is energy. And today we're going to dive down the porcelain throne and have a shitty conversation about poo. 00:00:10:17 - 00:00:19:19 Michael But Roland is our expert today on this, and he's got a lot of value to present to people when it comes to gut health. And, fecal matter. 00:00:19:23 - 00:00:20:49 Roland I got a lot of shit to say, basically. 00:00:20:53 - 00:00:22:03 Michael I want to hear about all the shit. 00:00:22:08 - 00:00:26:30 Roland Okay, here we go. What do you guys want to know about poop? 00:00:26:35 - 00:00:34:54 Michael I mean, let's start with, just one on one for general public. What can they do to improve their gut health? And stool capacity. 00:00:34:59 - 00:00:50:51 Roland You know, it's it's such a sought after question because I make the joke and when I lecture, I say people who have healthy guts, I call them unicorns. We should capture them and study them. But if you put someone in a cage, their gut health would go away because they'd be so stressed, so they actually collapse on itself. 00:00:50:56 - 00:01:12:36 Roland I don't think there's someone out there in modern society, in the Western world, who doesn't experience some kind of gut issue, and the symptom of the body is the body's way of trying to tell you that something's not right. And what most people do when they have a symptom is they simply ignore it. Like, I've literally had clients who have told me that they have diarrhea every day for weeks, and they just thought that's how they pooped. 00:01:12:41 - 00:01:33:48 Roland So the average person has no idea that, like, it's a sealed tube from end to end. From the moment you smell food, the process of digestion starts and there's a timeframe that that process should happen where the food gets absorbed in the waste material, collects in the colon, the bowel, and you should release it. And the average person should have zero awareness of what's going on with their digestion. 00:01:33:48 - 00:01:54:13 Roland They shouldn't get bloated, they shouldn't get gassy, they shouldn't have distension, they shouldn't have sour taste in their mouth after they eat or any post meal experiences like brain fog, fatigue, joint pain. And when you go to the bathroom like it shouldn't be that Austin Powers seeing like who does number two work for it? It should be like, just sit down, relax, let it go. 00:01:54:18 - 00:02:01:33 Roland If you really want to be extra, you can get one of those squatty potties, because we're not meant to sit on a 90 degree angle on a toilet. We're supposed to squat. I love. 00:02:01:33 - 00:02:01:57 Michael The Squatty. 00:02:01:57 - 00:02:02:11 Roland Potty. 00:02:02:11 - 00:02:05:14 Marino Squatty potty. I can't get behind them. I just I've tried that. 00:02:05:18 - 00:02:06:49 Roland How about how about on top, though? 00:02:06:54 - 00:02:11:05 Michael Oh, it's the ultimate way to it. Go. 00:02:11:06 - 00:02:11:35 Roland Yes, with. 00:02:11:35 - 00:02:12:20 Michael The squatty body. 00:02:12:25 - 00:02:25:29 Roland But the fundamental reality is one should move their bowels every 16 to 24 hours minimum, depending upon the person. If someone wants a really good test, there's a funny story with this. It beats what happens when eat beats. 00:02:25:33 - 00:02:28:20 Michael It's like a dog going through your system. It is. 00:02:28:24 - 00:02:40:57 Roland It's like a radio tracer, right? Yeah. And if you're so constipated that you poop once every three days, do not rush to the hospital thinking you're bleeding from the asshole. That's happened to me as a client before. They literally rushed to the hospital because they thought they were internally bleeding. 00:02:41:04 - 00:02:44:26 Marino I forgot, I forgot, I forgot, and I'm like, okay, it's okay. 00:02:44:26 - 00:02:50:01 Michael I hear young women thinking they've got their first period without having to, stepsisters, like, oh my God. Oh no. 00:02:50:06 - 00:03:18:12 Roland Just beets. Remember dinner last night. But the reality of that, that transit time will give you insights because the food is moving through your system too quickly. The fundamental reality of that is you're not digesting and absorbing food properly. So you're getting a malnutrition scenario that's playing. If your food is moving too through too slowly, you're getting a process of auto intoxication at a very low level because your body voids the bowels to detoxify the system. 00:03:18:12 - 00:03:36:12 Roland All the things your body detoxifies comes either through the skin to the breath, through the urine. So the kidneys, the through the bowel via the liver and the gallbladder is a process of detox. So if someone's not moving their bowels on a regular basis, the colon has an incredible amount of blood supply. The body can reabsorb toxic material. 00:03:36:25 - 00:03:55:58 Roland This is why you know, your mom is so big on people detoxing after they've been in the system. Because if you upregulate detoxification in any way and you're not getting that stuff out, it's actually better to stay toxic than to detox and not actually remove toxins from your system. Because the digestive system technically is still the outside of the body. 00:03:55:59 - 00:03:57:32 Roland Does that make sense when I say that so? 00:03:57:38 - 00:04:15:00 Michael Well, I guess we'll do a small plug there. Drink lots of water. Mineral content, electrolytes in the water, salt baths after e system, sessions. Or if you're just doing anything else that's promoting a rapid detox. Massages even can do that. That's why they're always like, hey, drink lots of water. Follow it up with the salt bath, sea salt, absinthe. 00:04:15:05 - 00:04:31:30 Roland I guess so, yeah, that's the fundamental long and short of the the quick and dirty as to why the digestive system should have some parameters in terms of its operation, because it influences what the body's going to do as a response. And compensation is a step away from health. That's how I look at things. 00:04:31:35 - 00:04:39:50 Marino So what would be some things that someone can do to kind of normalize that process right where they have like normal bowel movements. 00:04:40:01 - 00:04:58:56 Roland So it's interesting because everyone immediately reaches for a bottle of something. And I do work for companies, I'll educate for companies. And I think digestive enzymes, for example, are good things, but they're still it's like when you roll an ankle and you're using a crutch, it's good until you don't need the crutch anymore. Ideally, you shouldn't need a supplement or a pill to always digest your food. 00:04:59:00 - 00:05:12:56 Roland The first thing people do when they eat is they don't honor the food. They don't eat mindfully. Like how many days do you eat in front of your computer at the office? Every day? All the time, right? Every other car? 00:05:13:01 - 00:05:14:20 Michael No. Normally in front of a computer. 00:05:14:33 - 00:05:33:59 Roland Or watching YouTube or watching, like, basically we're eating distracted and unconsciously. If you're doing something while you're eating, you're taking the sum total of the energy in your body. Your nervous system is engaged, you're doing something, and there's less energy and capability left to break down your food because it's not about what you eat entirely. Food choice is important. 00:05:33:59 - 00:05:53:46 Roland I'm not saying eat fast food, but the worst diet completely digested is actually worse for your body than the best diet incompletely digested. So the mindful eating process is the minute you start smelling food like what happens, you start to salivate, your stomach might start to grumble. Like mentally you're getting prepared. That's when the digestive process starts. 00:05:53:51 - 00:06:14:48 Roland But it takes being present for the body to then enter the next phase. Because when you start taking a bite of food, remember that episode of The Simpsons where Homer eats like a duck and the he like swallows the don't. He doesn't chew it. That's the funny reference. That's the average person. They've actually done studies to denote the difference between people who maintain healthy body weights and those who didn't. 00:06:14:53 - 00:06:21:20 Roland The same amount of calories chewed a third less actually induced more weight gain in people. 00:06:21:25 - 00:06:27:00 Michael This is why it's extremely important to masticate. I love this word masticate. Do you? What did you say? 00:06:27:05 - 00:06:28:23 Roland Do you know the movie The Road to? 00:06:28:23 - 00:06:29:26 Michael Well, that's where do. 00:06:29:26 - 00:06:35:26 Roland You masticate Mister Light body you everyone has to watch. If you're part of this crew, you have to watch The Road to Wellsville. 00:06:35:26 - 00:06:40:19 Michael Oh yeah, that's about, Doctor Kellogg. So he pioneered the first, Senator Sanatorium. 00:06:40:19 - 00:06:43:56 Roland Yeah, but Battle Creek, Michigan, my stools are huge. 00:06:44:00 - 00:06:53:08 Michael And smell like, that have come just out of the whole movie. It's just like a total amazing, comical satire. 00:06:53:08 - 00:06:54:02 Roland It's sad. 00:06:54:07 - 00:07:04:12 Michael But it's real. It's real, but it's satire and it all revolves around making people. Well, it's like the first Wellness Institute ever, and the guy's just kind of a nut job, but hilarious. 00:07:04:23 - 00:07:07:48 Roland If you eat Kellogg's Corn Flakes directly connects to this movie. 00:07:07:53 - 00:07:09:51 Michael Yeah, yeah. 00:07:09:56 - 00:07:16:46 Roland So, yeah, back to the original point. Chewing chew until it's a goo. I actually literally just made that up, but that that. 00:07:16:46 - 00:07:19:06 Michael Works like I was even told you need to chew your juice. 00:07:19:06 - 00:07:39:39 Roland Yes. Yeah. Because in the saliva of your, your mouth, there are enzymes that start to break down carbohydrates. If you don't mix the saliva with the food, you place more stress on your stomach, your small intestine, your pancreas, your gallbladder. And I remember I was at a nursing nutrition school and my teacher saw me eat lunch. She's like, roll in cheese. 00:07:39:39 - 00:07:41:53 Roland Your stomach doesn't have teeth. 00:07:41:58 - 00:07:42:40 Michael Oh, yeah. 00:07:42:45 - 00:07:59:33 Roland I just yeah, because I used to be a trainer. I would the five minutes between when some client would end and the next one would start on the treadmill. I'd crush a whole meal in the trainer's room. And I paid for that for years until I really started to reestablish that. So to answer your question, the first thing you can do is be mindful about what it is you eat. 00:07:59:38 - 00:08:17:01 Roland And I know it's idealistic, but try not eat distracted. Try to honor the fact that your body wants to be present for this thing. And enjoy your food, you know, be thankful for it. It sounds a little woowoo, but your body is very much connected to this process of eating and digesting and absorbing food. Yeah. I mean, the first thing. 00:08:17:06 - 00:08:32:53 Michael Okay, so we got some one on ones are enzymes, you know, so let's say I'm trying to get my gut health in play, and I eat terribly because I'm always on the go. McDonald's, Chipotle to just junk food central. Like what? What do I throw at it to combat it? I know we we don't want to do that, but most people are at that place. 00:08:33:01 - 00:08:42:20 Roland Yeah. The first thing I would say is, from a digestive support perspective, there are two supplements that I like. There's a company I've actually done some work for, I can I mentioned some of the, the name of the. 00:08:42:20 - 00:08:45:16 Michael Way I use if, if you're that company you want to send us free product. Thank you. 00:08:45:18 - 00:09:11:00 Roland Master supplements U.S enzymes. They make the best enzymes on the planet actually manufacturing them up in Minnesota. Or they have a company that does. But I've never experienced more successful clients with these. Hydrochloric acid basically facilitates what your stomach can't do. To break down proteins, you need acid. Digestive enzymes help with your macronutrients. Proteins, carbs, and fats. And if your gut health is atrocious, you might want to use something like a probiotic with a binder. 00:09:11:00 - 00:09:33:50 Roland So this way you can kind of take care of the end to end process. Again, this is a bandaid. This is not a solution to anything. And then the second thing is, if you have the ability to not change anything about your life either food choices are locked because of whatever eat in a shorter window. So if there's 24 hours in a day, humans give themselves license to eat as long as they're awake, right? 00:09:33:50 - 00:10:05:17 Roland Yeah. If you eat only between, say, the hours of 10 a.m. and 5 p.m., you will do less damage because you're restricting certain hours. So you can't eat junk if you're not allowing yourself to eat junk. This is the first thing that I work with clients and helping them restructure their their diet and lifestyle. Because if they're not willing to make changes to the food choices, make changes to when you allow yourself to eat like it's an easy psychological first step, and then you start to figure out how to make better choices at these fast food outlets, like in Chipotle. 00:10:05:22 - 00:10:25:47 Roland Well, get a leaner protein, get a slower digesting carb, put some vegetables on there to get some fiber in there, and learn how to create an optimal plate or an optimal bowl. Because the average person needs just an adequate amount of protein, depending upon what your diet is. You don't want to crush carbs. You don't want to shoot your blood through sugar to the roof. 00:10:25:51 - 00:10:28:51 Roland Blood sugar. Sorry, I don't feel good. I need some blood sugar right now. 00:10:28:51 - 00:10:31:05 Michael Mike Tyson. 00:10:31:10 - 00:10:43:46 Roland I can't. Yeah, I was going to try it and I can't do it. And then you want to make sure that you have adequate fiber because inside your gut you have about 3 to 5 pounds of bacteria. It's an ecosystem. It's called your microbiome. There's the microbiome. 00:10:43:46 - 00:10:44:44 Michael Topic. These this it is. 00:10:44:44 - 00:11:05:58 Roland A hot topic because everyone's is atrocious. If you've had lifelong tap water with fluoride and chlorine as an antimicrobial, agent, both of those are if you've had multiple courses of antibiotics, excessive amounts of drinking. I mean, we're in Vegas right now. This is not a place that's happy gut health central and people who are highly stressed. 00:11:05:58 - 00:11:29:35 Roland You know, we had a conversation about the nervous system one time. Every digestive problem is also a nervous system problem, because the signals to restore function to the digestive system, have to be present for the digestive system to work optimally. And if people have fragmented their lives from a stress perspective, they're always chronically engaged. No matter what you do, you can use supplements until the end of time. 00:11:29:35 - 00:11:38:24 Roland You have to teach your body how to come back down to baseline. Use the breath to kind of activate the vagal tone and restore digestive function that way. 00:11:38:29 - 00:11:52:03 Michael Well, here's a really great you you brought up antibiotic. So every time someone was like, oh, I just did a round of antibiotics, I'm like, oh, your poor gut. How like are you to need to replenish that? It just comes to mind. So what are some great ways to replenish gut health after literally wrecking it? 00:11:52:08 - 00:12:07:21 Roland It's so why you say that? Because most people don't realize that for 6 to 9 months on the low side. Yeah. After and of course of antibiotics your gut is different. It cannot just simply go back. Yeah. And you guys know what the appendix is for. You know, everyone has a little appendix at the end of the. 00:12:07:26 - 00:12:10:15 Marino I thought I didn't have a purpose. It does. It does. 00:12:10:15 - 00:12:11:24 Roland Everything in the body has a. 00:12:11:36 - 00:12:14:48 Marino Well I thought I well you know what was like I was misled. 00:12:14:51 - 00:12:33:45 Roland That missed the doctor's money to take it out. No, that's not the purpose. The appendix is like a bomb shelter or a panic room for the microbes in your gut. So if you have an infection, food poisoning, things of that nature, your appendix is a little refuge. It's almost like if the earth were to go to shit and we were to go underground, the people that would emerge would start to repopulate the Earth. 00:12:33:45 - 00:12:34:05 Roland I think that. 00:12:34:05 - 00:12:34:53 Michael Analogy. Yeah. 00:12:34:53 - 00:12:38:27 Marino So that's okay. So is that where people get infections and they have to get them. 00:12:38:27 - 00:12:45:46 Roland Removed if their gut is too toxic? The, the appendix becomes inflamed because of the residents that live in there. The inflammatory process is disgusting. 00:12:45:47 - 00:12:52:59 Marino I read somewhere that it's like the only part of the body that doesn't have a function. And I was just like, that's crazy. There's I know I thought that way. 00:12:52:59 - 00:13:19:39 Roland But a function lists element, say the gallbladder, you can take that out. You can only live with one kidney. But fundamentally, if people are that far down the rabbit hole and they've taken antibiotics, the first strategy is while you're taking antibiotics, take a probiotic, not at the same time, but while you're taking antibiotics, separated by about 4 to 6 hours minimum, because the antibiotic is an antibiotic, this means anti-life wipes most things out. 00:13:19:39 - 00:13:35:52 Roland And in the gut there are various, hierarchy of importance of different strains of microbes in there. So you have strains that were given to you during the birthing process. You go through the birth canal, and breast milk actually is designed to feed these certain strains of bacteria that happen to be very fragile. And that's what I'm saying. 00:13:35:53 - 00:13:38:26 Roland Antibiotics. It's cool. Yeah. Nature does nothing by accident. 00:13:38:26 - 00:13:53:08 Marino I saw this documentary was talking about how your entire immune system, or just overall health, is highly influenced, whether or not you you came from a C-section or through a natural birth because of all the bacteria that you're exposed through through your mom's canal. 00:13:53:17 - 00:14:11:06 Roland Yeah, it's so cool that nature designed special fibers and milk that target specific bacteria to nourish them, so they become like the basis of, if you look at it as a neighborhood, they're like the people who've been in the neighborhood for multiple generations. They know all the history. They know of everything that's going on, how to maintain the neighborhood. 00:14:11:11 - 00:14:30:52 Roland But these bacteria are very fragile. So why people experience negative consequences after they've taken certain antibiotics is they wipe a lot of these things out. So one way to help the attrition is to take a quality probiotic separated by 4 to 6 hours. Why? Because the antibiotic has a period of activity. So if you take it with the antibiotic it's useless. 00:14:30:52 - 00:14:53:47 Roland It's not going to do anything. So you're you're depopulating to repopulate and you're trying to balance the the negative collateral damage. The second thing is certain strains of antibiotics become ineffective over time to certain bacteria so they can become antibiotic resistant bacteria. And these tend to be the ones that become what are called pathogens over the course of time. 00:14:53:47 - 00:15:15:08 Roland So they could be a bacteria that's in your gut. And let's say their population threshold is 500 million residents. When they become 2 billion, for example, they cause problems. And some of these bacteria thrive off of simple sugars, starches, certain kinds of foods. So food choice really matters when it comes to antibiotics, because what you eat feeds the bacteria. 00:15:15:12 - 00:15:19:19 Roland The starches in the fibers that you don't break down become food for these microbes. 00:15:19:24 - 00:15:22:51 Michael So if you're on antibiotics, you really want to avoid sugar at all costs. You want to avoid. 00:15:22:51 - 00:15:24:00 Roland Sugar at all costs. 00:15:24:00 - 00:15:26:29 Michael Simple carbohydrates because it turns to sugar. 00:15:26:40 - 00:15:49:28 Roland Generally. All the fun foods, all the foods that are eaten for deliciousness, other comfort things, and then I would say beyond that, using certain, strategic fiber supplements, not inulin and all these companies are making these products and they're marketing them for gut health. It's like a whole have this pop with fiber in it. People don't realize that some of those things directly feed bad bacteria. 00:15:49:28 - 00:16:04:38 Roland Oh, no. Another one is, kombucha. And I'm not saying all of these. It's just it is dependent upon the person. You have to figure out what works for you. So if you try something and you have a very negative experience in terms of it's like you walk out of the bathroom like, oh, we lost a lot of good men in there. 00:16:04:42 - 00:16:10:24 Roland And if that happens, that means your body's not positively likely not positively responding to something. 00:16:10:24 - 00:16:13:25 Michael So is that like a sign of bad gut health? Is this stinky stool? 00:16:13:30 - 00:16:36:06 Roland Stinky stool? If you can clear a room, although it may be funny and you may be impressed, that's a sign of something bad going on there because your body produces specifically and the microbes produce these gases. There's hydrogen, hydrogen sulfide, methane, what have you. So a sign that you have a dysbiosis, an overgrowth of bad bacteria is that when you fart, the dog leaves the room. 00:16:36:11 - 00:16:38:36 Michael The dog never leaves. Oh, but it just. 00:16:38:36 - 00:16:42:56 Roland It it is it is fun to watch those little real movies about humans fart the dogs like. 00:16:42:56 - 00:16:44:35 Marino Like I'm, I'm out of here. 00:16:44:35 - 00:17:05:20 Roland It just takes off. But yes, it is a sign that someone has some serious stuff going on. And if you have taken a course of antibiotics, you have to expect that a period of time after that, it may be a little touch and go in terms of restoring your normal gut health. That happened to me. I had to take doxycycline a few years ago because I was bitten by a tick, and I don't know what was worse. 00:17:05:20 - 00:17:18:56 Roland The experience of having the Lyme presentation or my GI health after this antibiotic, because that is likely the most powerful thing. I can tell you how many people that I've counseled with clinically, like I've had like five rounds of this and like, how. 00:17:18:56 - 00:17:21:29 Michael Are you alive? Like, how do I care? 00:17:21:41 - 00:17:44:29 Roland And it's insane because the ecosystem in our gut is also parallel as kind of like, a fractal aspect of us. Like if your gut health is unhealthy, it's assumed that you're likely not going to be as healthy because there's a feedback system between the two. So gut health is really something that I know. We laugh at fart jokes and poo and stinky stuff. 00:17:44:34 - 00:17:48:24 Roland Yeah. But it's funny. It is hilarious. It doesn't matter how old you get. It's always funny. 00:17:48:29 - 00:17:49:56 Michael Will always be kids. 00:17:50:00 - 00:18:08:40 Roland Especially guys. Yeah, but it is an evident presentation of an imbalance in your body. And to me, there's an imbalance that you may or may not experience when it comes to your health. That's an early warning sign. You may ignore it, you may do something about it. And the balance going on long enough creates a symptom. Is symptoms an overt sign that there's something wrong? 00:18:08:51 - 00:18:28:05 Roland If a symptom is left a faster than you present a pathology or a pathological process. And this is how you can go from having, irritated gut to maybe the presentation of IBS or something like Crohn's, colitis, extreme manifestations, bowel cancer, like those things don't happen by accident. There's always a pathogenesis of how these things. 00:18:28:12 - 00:18:34:03 Michael Like speaking of bowel cancer, what are your thoughts on, hydro irrigation? 00:18:34:08 - 00:18:37:00 Roland I was going to talk about this doing enemas. 00:18:37:05 - 00:18:37:53 Michael Yes. Yeah. 00:18:37:59 - 00:18:51:23 Roland So I think as weird as they may be for some people to think about, they're wonderful strategies to help, especially if the bowels not moving. One way to reeducate peristalsis, which is a fancy way of the movement. Squeeze, squeeze, squeeze. 00:18:51:25 - 00:18:51:56 Michael It pushes it. 00:18:51:56 - 00:19:09:07 Roland Out. It's moving. Vroom, vroom. One way to help trigger the reeducation of the bowel. The function which in some cases it can become lazy because the muscles and the nervous system of the gut or it's too impacted. To Colonics can do that, although you have to know what someone's like. Someone has to know what they're doing. 00:19:09:07 - 00:19:11:35 Roland A true colon hugger therapist. They have these machines that you. 00:19:11:35 - 00:19:12:02 Michael Can say. 00:19:12:03 - 00:19:16:09 Roland You know it all the same. And there's different kinds of animals that you can play around with. 00:19:16:14 - 00:19:22:44 Michael It's not there for sex. So there are two types of, colitis. There's like a closed circuit. An open circuit. Yep. Which was the one we're supposed to use. 00:19:22:57 - 00:19:45:06 Roland What you're supposed to do. Ideally, you go to someone, a colon hydrotherapy practitioner, because they have a feel of what's going on. They also massage the areas that may be impacted. And if they've been doing it for long enough, you know what it's like when someone's a healer. They develop an intuitive ability that they can't explain. A lot of places have these self administration colon hydrotherapy devices. 00:19:45:11 - 00:19:46:21 Roland You sit on a little to. 00:19:46:26 - 00:19:46:59 Michael You know. 00:19:47:11 - 00:19:50:11 Roland You sit on a tube and then you fill and then you go. 00:19:50:11 - 00:19:51:58 Michael And dangerous. 00:19:52:03 - 00:20:07:33 Roland Luckily, the pressure of the water is so low that there's likely not a real problem. But the ones that are powerful or when they're being controlled by another human. Yeah. So true. Impaction is probably best to do that. Something you can do at home is an enema. And there's different kinds. You can do an enema, you can put chlorophyl in there. 00:20:07:33 - 00:20:20:05 Roland You can put bacteria and actually inoculate the bowel from the bottom up. Rather than take a probiotic, you can do a coffee enema, which is something that actually helps to detoxify and clear. The liver is highly stimulating. It is highly stimulates. Exhilarating. 00:20:20:09 - 00:20:20:53 Roland Yeah. 00:20:20:58 - 00:20:25:38 Michael My mom, Lisa Joshi, instead of bottoms up, it's the bottoms with coffee. 00:20:25:42 - 00:20:29:55 Roland Just make sure the coffee's organic and don't put it in hot, because that could be painful. 00:20:30:00 - 00:20:46:01 Michael Oh, yeah. So I want to go through a couple of tips on, enemas. Yeah. So you want to use filtered water? This is extremely important because your colon is extremely sensitive and absorbs a lot. And then there's a few different things. So you have coffee, you can do green juice. The nutrients are going to absorb. You don't want to do alcohol. 00:20:46:01 - 00:20:49:09 Michael I've heard of kids doing that with some weird things. It's sticky stuff. 00:20:49:14 - 00:20:51:48 Roland Don't chug a beer in your butt. Yeah, you thought of that? 00:20:51:48 - 00:20:59:56 Michael Not right now, because it's kind of funny. But, what are some other things? People I know some people are doing iodine and, H2o2 or hydrogen peroxide. 00:21:00:00 - 00:21:13:28 Roland You can do, I mean, I've never done that. I wouldn't know how to dose that. You can do chlorophyl, which is also kind of like a natural binder and detoxify or and you could probably do, different kinds of probiotic bacteria, but I mean, fundamentally like. 00:21:13:41 - 00:21:23:51 Michael The back, the roads there, roads as well. They'll, they're putting, yogurt up there. But it's, you can literally, I guess, hit from both angles with, the good bacteria. 00:21:23:53 - 00:21:26:22 Roland I think someone just needs to watch that movie. They'll figure everything and. 00:21:26:26 - 00:21:28:53 Michael A keep in that. Yeah. Anyway, it just. 00:21:28:53 - 00:21:30:18 Roland But it moves like sludge. 00:21:30:18 - 00:21:35:17 Michael Is another one is, trace Minerals. Yes. That's a really good, because of the absorption and. 00:21:35:17 - 00:21:49:23 Roland Most humans, the number one product, I think most humans could benefit from is trace minerals. Because we get minerals from food. Both angles. Yeah. Same time I've ever done that where you're like, you're drinking water and dripping. It's like you're there's a satisfaction of, like a closer circuit. 00:21:49:28 - 00:21:55:29 Michael I've never been drinking water. Right. I've never done that either. I don't know what. I don't know what I'm. It's a funny thing about that. 00:21:55:33 - 00:21:56:05 Roland Yeah. 00:21:56:09 - 00:22:18:29 Roland But yeah, Trace minerals would be the number one thing, because trace minerals are catalysts for all these biochemical reactions that happen in the body. So mineral deficiencies are sometimes part and parcel of constipation when it comes to demographics. Women typically default to constipation more than men do. Really. Typically what I see. Yeah. Women have a much more complicated system because of the rhythmic aspects of their home, their hormonal. 00:22:18:29 - 00:22:22:18 Michael That makes sense if they have, more peaks and valleys. Exactly a cycle. 00:22:22:23 - 00:22:44:06 Roland Whereas men I mean, sure, there are some who default the constipation, but most men who are, like, hyper vigilant, they're the other way. They go too quickly and they see undigested food particles in their stool. Like there's an ebook that says, what is your poo telling you? That the most important takeaway from that is it may be gross, but like, look in the bowl when you're done, don't just get rid of it. 00:22:44:06 - 00:22:47:31 Roland Because if there is something that's not right, at least it's a warning sign. 00:22:47:31 - 00:22:50:04 Marino I can't get rid of it without looking at you. Have to look at it. Yeah, I. 00:22:50:04 - 00:22:53:12 Michael Don't know about you guys, but I just got a picture of South Park, Mister hankie. 00:22:53:17 - 00:22:53:42 Marino Panky. 00:22:53:42 - 00:22:55:47 Roland Yeah. How do. 00:22:56:27 - 00:23:01:48 Roland If it talks to you? That something else? Yes, yes, you go right away. 00:23:01:53 - 00:23:04:23 Roland Call one 800. 00:23:04:28 - 00:23:22:25 Roland But, yeah, you want to check out what your body's doing. Because everything your body does is giving you feedback as to where it is on a health continuum. And everything in the gut, like all the research, research points to the fact that there's that gut axis that connects to all these different areas a gut brain axis, a gut lung gut heart axis. 00:23:22:30 - 00:23:44:32 Roland And if the gut becomes leaky, most of the immune cells reside in the gut, right. Because that the surveillance team is there to make sure that anything that's not meant to get into the bloodstream is dealt with before it's absorbed into circulation, because blood circulates around your body every three minutes. So if you're absorbing things into the bloodstream from the gut that are toxic, they can get places like bacteria can go into your heart. 00:23:44:36 - 00:23:48:38 Roland You can have a viral infection that finds its way into a kidney. And these are. 00:23:48:38 - 00:23:53:17 Michael Systemic a systemic. Yeah, exactly. It's one place in the body. The body's got its own pathways everywhere. 00:23:53:17 - 00:24:14:33 Roland Yeah. And the medical system can't test for these things because their diagnostics are not sensitive enough. So they don't really consider them. But you can have a long held Epstein-Barr virus stuck in your tonsils, which is why you have persistent tonsillitis, for example. But no one will put that together. That that may have come from the fact that your immune system's weakened because your digestive system is compromised, your guts leaky. 00:24:14:33 - 00:24:19:14 Roland Therefore, there's an easier entry into your body because it's susceptible. 00:24:19:19 - 00:24:20:27 Michael What a trip, right? 00:24:20:27 - 00:24:24:36 Roland Shitty trip. It is a trip. That shit's real. 00:24:24:41 - 00:24:32:12 Michael When deep in, it's, the weeds here with the, topic. I think you guys have anything. 00:24:32:17 - 00:24:43:35 Marino One more question. So you touched on, fiber. And then I've always looked at, like, probiotics, and there's a million of them, right? From $20 to $200 a bottle. It's like. 00:24:43:35 - 00:24:45:20 Michael How millions back. 00:24:45:23 - 00:24:54:07 Marino Behind 2 billion. 3 billion? 5 billion is like, how do you decipher and make a decision? Do you, like, go to the refrigerator one or do I go to one that's just on the shelf? 00:24:54:07 - 00:24:59:12 Roland So what I do is this. 00:24:59:17 - 00:25:25:27 Roland It's a great question because there is no ideal probiotic in the sense of a formulation that is the probiotic for everyone. The unfortunate answer is it's individualized to the person. They have to try something based upon what resonates with them. There are guidelines and principles. So if there is on the label, someone says proprietary blend. I wouldn't trust that because they're using that word to get around telling you the deeper details. 00:25:25:32 - 00:25:46:20 Roland What I've learned from working for probiotic and gut health companies, specifically the one I mentioned before, the most deep assessment of probiotic bacteria is what's called a strain designation. This is a little boring. I'm going to try to make it very easy. So you're Michael, you're Marino. If you don't strain designate a probiotic I would say human one, human two. 00:25:46:24 - 00:26:06:59 Roland That's how most bacteria are labeled in a probiotic bottle. A strain designation gives that microbe an identity. And if you know what the identity of the microbe is, it determines the functionality. So you may want a strain that down regulates the immune system. That would require a strain designation. So you'd need a probiotic that does that or you might not want to. 00:26:06:59 - 00:26:25:55 Roland If someone is very sensitive they have Lyme. They have an autoimmune condition, some probiotics because of what they do as they interact with the immune system, will piss. Someone's got off. They could throw them into a flare up. So I think strain designation would be the most important thing. No plastic bottles because you don't want plastic that may be sits in a warehouse in Vegas. 00:26:25:55 - 00:26:48:23 Roland In the summertime, plastic can leach into the bacteria, but also, if the bacteria is not stored at a regulated temperature, they can start to die off. So it may say, oh, you have 50 billion with that thing's been in a warehouse for a while that it's been on a store shelf. It might be useless. Yeah. And the third thing is bacteria have a, a fragility to their existence. 00:26:48:23 - 00:26:53:00 Roland So when you take a pill, stomach's the harshest environment in your body. The acidity. 00:26:53:00 - 00:26:53:53 Marino And take it out. 00:26:53:58 - 00:27:12:03 Roland Should be like two, three pH. Some capsules have a specialized way of, like, encasing the bacteria. So they deliver through the stomach, and they start to open only when it's in to the small and the large intestine is where most of the bacteria lives. In the colon. You want it to get down there, or else you're not inoculating your body. 00:27:12:03 - 00:27:17:38 Michael So honestly, then sticking it up your your bottom is probably the most optimal way. For those that don't mind that sensation. 00:27:17:40 - 00:27:27:12 Roland If someone's harrowing and brave enough. Yeah, it could be. But if you want to do it the good old fashioned way, there are certain companies that, they charge more for probiotics. 00:27:27:12 - 00:27:35:33 Michael There's something I heard. It's called a prebiotic, and supposedly it bypasses that, acidity somehow. I'm not sure the mechanism of action, but have you heard about that? Yeah. 00:27:35:33 - 00:27:54:25 Roland So a prebiotic is actually is a fancy word for a fiber that is a food source for a probiotic. And not all prebiotics are the same. Like if you eat artichokes, there's tons of prebiotic fiber in there. It's not the kind of fiber that helps you bulk your stool. They're delicious. But if someone needs too many artichokes and they have gut issues, you know, the streak in the toilet bowl. 00:27:54:25 - 00:28:08:49 Roland We talked about porcelain like that, and I. That's an evidence that your system is a little bit imbalanced. So prebiotics can be good. They're food for probiotics and to blow your mind. Then you create post biotics, which is a thing. We won't even get into that just yet. 00:28:08:51 - 00:28:11:26 Michael Or maybe that's what I was thinking of instead of, pre as. 00:28:11:32 - 00:28:13:48 Marino Is a pre and pro. Yeah, I've never heard a post. 00:28:14:00 - 00:28:23:19 Roland Post is what the bacteria make when they eat these prebiotics, because they want to make these compounds that are beneficial for the environment of your gut. So it actually creates what's called symbiosis. 00:28:23:24 - 00:28:25:59 Marino That's why they're there. Otherwise. Exactly. You get out. 00:28:26:04 - 00:28:32:26 Roland There. I mean, there's this theory that the bacteria are actually just using us and manipulating us as a host to create their own existence. 00:28:32:26 - 00:28:36:24 Michael So it's probably like a little universe inside of us. Well, there is literally. 00:28:36:29 - 00:28:57:11 Roland It's an ecosystem, right? And it's the same. The parallel is if you introduce an invasive species in the forest, what happens to the ecosystem? It gets disrupted. If you degrade the land, the terrain, the ecosystem breaks down and the same thing happens in the gut. If the terrain is problematic, that's where people get gut infections, parasites, fungal infestations, all of these things. 00:28:57:16 - 00:29:11:04 Roland So it's a sign that your body's not where it needs to be. Something needs to be done. But that's where the clinical aspect of figuring out what it is for you, which will likely will be different than you. But there are some fundamental things that will help both of you, regardless. 00:29:11:04 - 00:29:21:20 Marino Of what you do. Yeah, the company I use, I send them a sample of my stool and that's how they formulated my probiotics. So I'm hopeful that they take that into account. And that's how. 00:29:21:20 - 00:29:23:22 Michael They you give them your shit and they give you the good shit. 00:29:23:22 - 00:29:27:34 Marino Yeah, I can bat. Sure. They give me good shit. That's good. That's a great deal. 00:29:27:34 - 00:29:29:46 Roland Yeah, there's a good deal. 00:29:29:51 - 00:29:32:26 Marino It's $200 a month. It's not much of a big deal. 00:29:32:26 - 00:29:34:48 Roland That is. 00:29:34:53 - 00:29:36:38 Michael To be the good shit. Yeah. 00:29:36:43 - 00:29:58:39 Marino I mean, when I first started taking it, I didn't realize, like, oh, this is actually, like a good, normal bowel movement because I didn't know what I didn't know. So I just thought that whatever I had going on was just the way that everyone shit. Right? You don't see other people shit, so you don't know. And then I was having, like, normal bowel movement and I was like, oh, this is wow. 00:29:58:39 - 00:30:00:41 Marino So it's it immediately makes a change. 00:30:00:41 - 00:30:06:16 Michael And I know when I'm off, I feel like people that are watching this are going to want to know what you're using. So why don't you just fire it off? 00:30:06:16 - 00:30:31:18 Marino Yeah, it's it's, biome. So it's like, problem with a v? So I'm v. Yeah. What a v. Yeah. I mean, they, they have this test called the full, like, intelligence tests, and they take a sample of your blood, your saliva and your stool, and then they formulate a supplement for you, and includes there's, what do you call them? 00:30:31:23 - 00:30:43:41 Marino Lozenges, to start with. The bacteria in your mouth. But I couldn't consistently do those, so I didn't really do them, so I just do the supplements and the probiotics, but they start from the mouth and sort of every level, which is really cool. 00:30:43:41 - 00:31:02:17 Roland Can I poke a hole in that? Yeah, I challenge something. Let's go. Okay, so the idea is good. The idea sound I don't think that they're taking about approach, but what comes out of you in a day is not the absolute representation of what lives inside of you. Deep, deep actually is where deep in very deep. 00:31:02:17 - 00:31:03:03 Michael Yeah. Yeah. 00:31:03:03 - 00:31:21:16 Roland I'm using him as a sock puppet right now. So the thing that's the fall down, the stool tests, they're currently the best we have. But if you change your diet in 24 hours, your microbiome will shift. So let's say you pooped in and you said, oh, I'm going to eat a keto diet starting tomorrow. Your poop two days from now will have a totally different profile. 00:31:21:21 - 00:31:39:33 Roland I've done this before, right? I secretly took a turd. Yes, you heard that right. I took a single turd with a friend. We took two different samples, put them in separate test kits, sent them off to the same lab, and we got two different results back. Wow. So his. He asked the doctor who did this. Well, how do you do this? 00:31:39:34 - 00:32:00:23 Roland Like, I'm just going to treat the one that's worse. That's bad science and bad clinical practice. So there are some fall downs and limitations because different bacteria have different release cycles. Like it's a full moon tonight. That's when certain organisms and parasites are the most active. So you're going to have evidence of things coming up differently. And I've seen this for years. 00:32:00:23 - 00:32:13:41 Roland Clinically people have issues. But when you took a look at a stool test, nothing bad comes up like my can't be right. So I would say take those things with a grain of salt. It's not an absolute I know it might make some people sad because they don't want to have the ambiguous gray. 00:32:13:41 - 00:32:14:53 Michael Area of what I mean, what. 00:32:14:53 - 00:32:23:51 Roland I can't know, but it's a good starting point because what it does is it gets you into becoming in tune and in touch with how you your body shifting when you're performing an intervention. 00:32:24:02 - 00:32:30:09 Michael Yeah, no, that's a good point though, because, on a day to day, I, I doubt very many people have the exact same poo every day. 00:32:30:18 - 00:32:33:27 Roland No one does unless you eat the same, same diet ever. 00:32:33:27 - 00:32:36:22 Michael Which maybe a couple people do. 00:32:36:27 - 00:32:53:45 Roland And it's meant to be a dynamic, like nothing in the body is a static thing. That's what I've realized. And a lot of people in the functional medicine health world don't think about these things because they don't think about the variables because they like the closed loop of, oh, the test just has numbers. I just need to look at the numbers. 00:32:53:45 - 00:33:12:39 Roland I make all my decisions based upon the numbers. One data point doesn't make a trend. Yeah, it's just a point of data. So for me it's patterns. And unfortunately with these tests, if you were to spend the money to do five tests in five days, it would be a shitstorm. Yeah, the outcome would be we should have had a shit counter for the purpose. 00:33:12:42 - 00:33:13:38 Roland Of. 00:33:13:42 - 00:33:14:42 Michael The video. Or you could throw it. 00:33:14:42 - 00:33:27:08 Roland I didn't know every time a little fart, a little fart sound comes up, every time. But yeah, I mean, I love that you brought that up. And thank you for for letting me. Yeah. Take the shit out of that one. Yeah. 00:33:27:12 - 00:33:43:45 Michael All right. I think we had enough. We're done. Yeah, I worked on, ladies and gentlemen, if you enjoyed this conversation, maybe you have some comments to make some great ideas for us on on how to improve gut health and whatnot. Please leave a comment like share, subscribe, all those good things. We'll see you next time.