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8-7: Put Up Or Shut Up, WNBA - Trans Player Wants In! · Wicked Radio with Bill Adams

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  Speaker 1: It's such a rare and beautiful thing when any kind
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  Speaker 1: of a public figure, celebrity, lawmaker, famous person, sports league
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  Speaker 1: has a golden chance, an opportunity fall in its lap
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  Speaker 1: to prove that it's going to back up it's its
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  Speaker 1: own words, to put up or shut up, to prove
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  Speaker 1: that it means what it says or he says or
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  Speaker 1: she says, so that we can all sit back and
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  Speaker 1: decide whether or not that famous entity is a fraud
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  Speaker 1: or not. And now the WNBA has a golden opportunity
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  Speaker 1: chance to put up or shut up, to back up
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  Speaker 1: its own words about men playing in women's sports, because
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  Speaker 1: now we've got a pretty prominent European French player, a
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  Speaker 1: dude playing in a women's basketball league who is dominating.
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  Speaker 1: So all this talk WNBA about trans women are women
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  Speaker 1: and we're about inclusivity, and it's it's wrong what Sophie
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  Speaker 1: Cunningham said.
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  Speaker 2: And it's okay. They all said this.
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  Speaker 1: They said this no official statement from the league, but
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  Speaker 1: their coaches did, and their players did, and their media
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  Speaker 1: partner with ESPN did So now you can back it up.
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  Speaker 1: Now's your opportunity because this trans French player in the
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  Speaker 1: women's league and in Europe wants in.
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  Speaker 2: This is just so perfect.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, welcome back, nice to see again. I knew you'd
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  Speaker 1: be back in. We could radio, livestream and replay on
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  Speaker 1: shortly after the live stream gets over.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go back just a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: I know we talked about this before with Sophie Cunningham
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  Speaker 1: in the nafever Star Player, one of them, along with
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  Speaker 1: so along with kate Lin Clark making a statement in
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  Speaker 1: a interesting in a written article. But then of course
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  Speaker 1: it surfaced, and then it backed up and she had
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  Speaker 1: to back up her words and all this other stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go back again, and this led to all the
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  Speaker 1: protests and then the rallies for her, and we talked
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  Speaker 1: about this last week. But let's just just rewind. This
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  Speaker 1: is her not backing off her statement, saying she and
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  Speaker 1: again says nothing to her original statement had nothing to
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  Speaker 1: do with the WNBA. It had protecting young girls from
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  Speaker 1: having to compete against boys males biologically in sports. That's
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  Speaker 1: what the statement was about. Because this is all getting twisted,
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  Speaker 1: and this is her defending that statement again.
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  Speaker 3: Just let I'm that same vein and that story with
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  Speaker 3: the ESPN, you talked about wanting to protect young girls
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  Speaker 3: who shouldn't have to go against biological men.
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  Speaker 4: Just can you expand your viewpoint on that.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I think I said what I said.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's kind of common sense, and I think
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  Speaker 3: I'll always believe in that. I think it's really important
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  Speaker 3: to protect children, and that's little girls who are also
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  Speaker 3: involved in that category. And so I stand on what
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  Speaker 3: I said, and I always believe that.
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  Speaker 4: Do you see your advocacy on that like taking any
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  Speaker 4: form going forward?
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  Speaker 5: You know, I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't. I'm not a very political person, but I
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  Speaker 3: do have beliefs, I have morals, and I'll always stand
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  Speaker 3: on those and be treated.
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  Speaker 1: All she said just as a reminder because it's gotten
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  Speaker 1: twisted already, she says, she's talking about girls in sports. Now,
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  Speaker 1: keep in mind all of this stuff throughout this controversy,
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  Speaker 1: and then the rallies and or the protests that happened
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  Speaker 1: after that these games.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we talked about it on the podcast.
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  Speaker 1: All of this stuff originated from that original statement that
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  Speaker 1: she made simply defending girls in sports.
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  Speaker 2: Defending girls sports, by the way, which.
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  Speaker 1: Female athletes fought for for decades to get title nine,
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  Speaker 1: for proper funding, opportunity, all this other stuff. Keep something
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  Speaker 1: else in mind before we get into this. From the
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  Speaker 1: statements from the WNBA coaches, mostly in players, they didn't
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  Speaker 1: have to face this maybe until now. They didn't have
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  Speaker 1: to face this growing up, because relatively speaking, it's a
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  Speaker 1: new concept where you you know, where it's like in
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  Speaker 1: some blue city it's normal for a boy to want
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  Speaker 1: to play, you know, against girls, and the parents are like, yes,
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  Speaker 1: you go, opportunity.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 1: The people speaking out against this have not have to
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  Speaker 1: face it, and that's really part of what we're talking
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  Speaker 1: about here.
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  Speaker 2: So we move on.
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  Speaker 1: Had the rallies, had the protests and the games period outside,
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  Speaker 1: blah blah blah whatever, it was, okay, fine, Now here's
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  Speaker 1: no official statement from the WNBA about the entire issue.
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  Speaker 1: There was an unofficial statement, lots of them, in fact,
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  Speaker 1: from the coaches, from the players, and from their media
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  Speaker 1: partner ESPN because they had to make this a statement
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  Speaker 1: so afraid of getting canceled by the trans mob right,
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  Speaker 1: they had to point this out. So the coach of
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  Speaker 1: the Minnesota Links, Cheryl Reese Reeve Reese, wore a shirt,
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  Speaker 1: you know, supporting trans athletes and ESPN. How rare is this?
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  Speaker 1: How often would any kind of a sports network mid
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  Speaker 1: game focus the camera on her shirt to make a
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  Speaker 1: statement about it too. That's how they that's their passive,
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  Speaker 1: aggressive way to make a statement. Such a joke, because
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  Speaker 1: like we always say, sports media is the grossest media.
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  Speaker 2: But here's what they did.
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  Speaker 1: So again, you got to consider ESPN as part of
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  Speaker 1: this league because they're the ones that show the games.
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  Speaker 1: This is how they made their statement. Just watch this.
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  Speaker 2: Well we see.
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  Speaker 4: Cheryl Reeve wearing a shirt today and support of trans
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  Speaker 4: kids trans kids Belong.
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  Speaker 2: On the shirt.
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  Speaker 4: Just in the aftermath of Sophie Cunningham's recent comments, we
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  Speaker 4: actually saw Cheryl and Sophie speaking of at center court.
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  Speaker 1: Pre game ESPN the announcer is taking a break at
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  Speaker 1: the direction of the network.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, in the league, this is how this
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  Speaker 2: stuff all works behind.
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  Speaker 1: The scenes, actually taking time during a timeout in the
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  Speaker 1: game to focus in on a coach of her shirt
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  Speaker 1: saying trans kids Belong.
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  Speaker 2: That's a statement.
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  Speaker 1: It's unofficial, it's not written, it's not an official press release.
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  Speaker 1: But this is the sneaky way and how they actually
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  Speaker 1: show their support because they're afraid of getting canceled by
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  Speaker 1: the trans mob. That's how they do it. But not
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  Speaker 1: the only coach listen to this one. So this was
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  Speaker 1: Natalie Natissa, I think her name her name is. She
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  Speaker 1: coaches the Golden State team, the San Francisco Market team,
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  Speaker 1: an Oakland Market team.
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  Speaker 2: This is what she said about.
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  Speaker 5: It too, and those you shouldn't belong here many times,
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  Speaker 5: And for me, I don't want that space, especially Golden State,
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  Speaker 5: to ever feel like that. So I'm all about women,
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  Speaker 5: little girls deserving to play, and that includes trans women.
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  Speaker 1: I'm all about inclusivity, all about that inclusivity word, all
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  Speaker 1: about inclusivity until they have to face it themselves. Because again,
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  Speaker 1: let me just give you a quick reminder, Natalie, right there,
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  Speaker 1: Cheryl Reeve, all of these players, they never had to
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  Speaker 1: go through this. Otherwise you'd hear their stories. They would
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  Speaker 1: be telling their stories. If they're about inclusivity, they would
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  Speaker 1: be telling their stories about Yeah, when I was growing up,
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  Speaker 1: when I was in high school, I had to play
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  Speaker 1: against a trans player, and you know, we competed pretty
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  Speaker 1: well and it was all about and we were welcoming.
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  Speaker 1: None of them have that story because none of these
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  Speaker 1: frauds that are saying that they support inclusivity in this sport.
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  Speaker 1: None of them have had to actually face it. And
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  Speaker 1: again go back to what Sophie Cunningham said. All she's
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  Speaker 1: talking about is not the league. She didn't make any
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  Speaker 1: statement about men playing against women in the WNBA. She
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  Speaker 1: was talking about protecting young girls' sports. That's all she said.
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  Speaker 1: She said, it's just common sense to me, that's all
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  Speaker 1: it was. And good for her for not backing down.
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  Speaker 1: But now it's getting twisted and that she's she's the
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  Speaker 1: figurehead for this movement and that she wants you know,
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  Speaker 1: she is saying in her own league that she'd have
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  Speaker 1: no problem that she shouldn't have to compete against the men. No,
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  Speaker 1: she was talking about young girls having an opportunity for fairness.
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  Speaker 1: That was it, and that's what's burt. And all of
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  Speaker 1: these WNBA coaches and players and ESPN and the announcers
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  Speaker 1: were so quick to attack that because they never thought
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  Speaker 1: someday down the road turns up pretty soon, pretty quickly
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  Speaker 1: after that controversy, that they would have to face it themselves.
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  Speaker 2: Well they got it now.
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  Speaker 1: I said, it's a rare and beautiful opportunity for a
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  Speaker 1: sports league to have to put up or shut up
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  Speaker 1: a defended statement. How inclusive are you now? How fair
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  Speaker 1: are you now? How wo and how open and accepting
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  Speaker 1: and loving are you now? When you may have to
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  Speaker 1: face the very real possibility of having an actual man
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  Speaker 1: playing in a woman's sport who wants specifically wants to
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  Speaker 1: play in your league. Julie, I believe the last name
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  Speaker 1: is Tatart is six foot three, scores twenty one points
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  Speaker 1: and twenty rebounds a game in what I'm told is
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  Speaker 1: a very competitive women's league in Europe. A French player
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  Speaker 1: who is a biological man dominating wants to play. Of course,
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  Speaker 1: as you would imagine, Fox News was all over this one.
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  Speaker 1: Here's how they broke the news.
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  Speaker 4: Look at your screen. A French trans player says, if
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  Speaker 4: the WNBA gives them a chance to play in the league,
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  Speaker 4: they would not turn down an offer.
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  Speaker 2: I love that too, the wording of it.
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  Speaker 1: If they get it, they would like to play in
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  Speaker 1: the He I mean, come on, even Fox, you can
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  Speaker 1: do that just to say he that's a biological man
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  Speaker 1: playing in a women's league.
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  Speaker 2: Let's just be honest about this.
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  Speaker 1: That's part and parcel of the problem, isn't we started
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  Speaker 1: to we started to morph the words and confuse the
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  Speaker 1: entire issue, and that's how they get away with saying
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  Speaker 1: things like, of.
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  Speaker 2: Course us, we're accepting and we're loving. We're about inclusivity.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want I don't want our is one of
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  Speaker 1: the coaches are saying, I don't want our league to
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  Speaker 1: turn down anybody that wants to play. Well, oh oh,
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  Speaker 1: you didn't know about this. I will guarantee you, guarantee
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  Speaker 1: you none of these coaches or players or team executives
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  Speaker 1: with the WNBA. And we already know that had that
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  Speaker 1: Seattle owner which attacked those two young girls for simply
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  Speaker 1: holding up thank you, Sophie Cunningham signs. We saw that
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  Speaker 1: happen too. Those are owners, co owners of the Seattle franchise,
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  Speaker 1: whatever the hell that is. I will guarantee you none
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  Speaker 1: of them. None of these frauds ever expected this issue
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  Speaker 1: to come to their doorsteps so freakin' quickly that they got.
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  Speaker 2: They have a six foot.
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  Speaker 1: Three, dominating French trans athlete that wants in your league.
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  Speaker 1: His agent is pushing to make a play and wants
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  Speaker 1: a tryout in your league for when the league starts
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  Speaker 1: next year. One, What are you gonna do then the
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  Speaker 1: greatest thing that would happen to this entire thing is
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  Speaker 1: if this French athlete, Julie Tatart Tatar, the six foot
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  Speaker 1: three dominating French trans athlete, makes a massive international push
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  Speaker 1: and makes a big stink about getting an opportunity in
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  Speaker 1: the WNBA, that'll be the greatest thing to actually happen,
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  Speaker 1: and it may because then you have to put up
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  Speaker 1: a shut up. Then what are you gonna do or
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  Speaker 1: are you gonna say? How do you turn down? And this,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, if you know anything about sports, there
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  Speaker 1: have been a ton of examples back and forth. There
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  Speaker 1: have been a lot of college programs where you had
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  Speaker 1: a you know, just a bunch of football players in
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  Speaker 1: a Division one play play their Division one actual women's
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  Speaker 1: basketball team and they just dominate them. You know, the
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  Speaker 1: women couldn't get past center court. You've had softball teams
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  Speaker 1: just men dominate women. It's not that's not an issue
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  Speaker 1: of fair and it's it's just a biological advantage. It's
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  Speaker 1: just is what it is. Women's athletes fought for their
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  Speaker 1: own sports for so many decas because of this very
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  Speaker 1: same issue and because of this insanity to think, because
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  Speaker 1: of inclusivity that's the most important thing. Everybody has to
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  Speaker 1: be on the field. That's what muddy the water is
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  Speaker 1: in this entire issue. That's all Sophie Cunningham was talking
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  Speaker 1: about way back when in that original article, she wasn't
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  Speaker 1: even talking about her own league. She was talking about
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  Speaker 1: young girls who have to face this now because this
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  Speaker 1: stuff always trickles down to them, her teammates or other coaches,
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  Speaker 1: anybody else she plays with in the league. The executives,
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  Speaker 1: they never had to face this.
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  Speaker 2: Young girls do. And that's all she said.
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  Speaker 1: It's a different time now because we've confused the water
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  Speaker 1: so much. So the greatest you should celebrate this though,
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  Speaker 1: because here's the big takeaway for you, me and everybody
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  Speaker 1: else that's been kind of paying attention to this issue,
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  Speaker 1: and you see it in the news and it's a
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  Speaker 1: big cultural thing. It's a slow news summertime anyway. That's
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  Speaker 1: why this has been such a big issue because it's rare,
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  Speaker 1: and it's a gift for a big media outlet like
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  Speaker 1: the WNBA, and it is and they have a media
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  Speaker 1: partner with es. It's a rare opportunity for them to
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  Speaker 1: have to back up their own words.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't happen a lot.
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  Speaker 1: Usually these Usually they just squash all the competition now
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  Speaker 1: because I suppose this is a French player who has
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  Speaker 1: European media all over this. Now, now they have a
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  Speaker 1: chance to back it up.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think they will? Of course not.
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  Speaker 1: And this is why it's great for you and me,
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  Speaker 1: because now we can truly judge through up, get rid
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  Speaker 1: of all the media nonsense. We can judge for ourselves
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  Speaker 1: whether or not this league is a fraud or not.
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  Speaker 1: And if they don't even allow this French player six',
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  Speaker 1: three Dominating french transplayer to have an opportunity IN, wnba
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  Speaker 1: we can all sit back and judge for certain forever
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  Speaker 1: that they are absolute frauds and all they talk about
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  Speaker 1: inclusivity is a bunch of. Crap that's the great thing about.
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  Speaker 1: This it's, rare it doesn't happen a, lot but it's
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  Speaker 1: happening in this.
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  Speaker 2: Case.
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  Speaker 1: Unbelievable what a, crazy crazy news. Cycle by the, way
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  Speaker 1: this stuff doesn't happen, anymore and we don't find out
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  Speaker 1: about this without social. Media social media hadn't opened, up
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  Speaker 1: we never. WOULD i, know a lot of controversies come
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  Speaker 1: from social, media but so does the truth in this,
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  Speaker 1: case because this thing is trending.
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  Speaker 2: Everywhere all, right let's get out of. Here i'm out of.
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