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#140: Philip Redrick-Ft. Scott Community College · The Gill Athletics Track and Field Connections Podcast

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  I just love meeting new people and you know as an old you coach
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  myself, I love Juco coaches. So help me welcome the wise, the
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  wonderful from Fort Scott Community College, mr.
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  Philip Frederick Philip, how are you sir?
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  I'm good. I'm good.
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  Thanks for having me, man. I'm stoked.
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  I'm very happy actually, if you're watching us on YouTube,
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  you know, your style, you have like a signature style and it's
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  that hat man. And so I was really hopeful as
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  like, I hope he wears that hat because I I love, I love that
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  stuff. That I've been like your style
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  for like ever. Like it's a kid lately.
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  Yes, sir, the must out lately. Yes, sir.
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  I love it. You're so so nice calling me
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  sir. I'm a dirty Jew co-coach like
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  you, man. I was in the Ocean County.
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  So, yeah, so will we can cut that sir stuff, man.
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  We're all good. Hey, super super excited to have
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  you here. You know, one of my favorite
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  ways for people to get on the podcast.
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  There's a lot of different ways, we kind of schedule our guests,
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  but about a year ago and that should ring alarm I'm Bells.
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  If you thinking about nominating, someone it takes
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  over a year to count. I guess we only get 50 20 year,
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  guys, you actually nominated by Mark Emerson, I think he's over
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  at Butler Community College. Yeah, your assistant Jet and I'm
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  going to jump ahead. I know you're listening, I'm
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  going to screw this up. Forgive me, Mullen eras.
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  I think I nailed it. Yeah, he's a pretty good good.
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  Oh, wait, he's just a pretty good.
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  He's being nice, but it's so cool when people think so,
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  highly of others, that they would nominate him for the show.
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  And that the show has It means something that to be nominated
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  for. So that's got to feel pretty
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  good, right. I mean like some people.
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  Yes, I guess I do a little something.
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  Right, I guess, you know? Yeah, Jeff heads like well he's
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  my head coach. So pay the bill right, right?
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  Right. What's your relationship with
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  Mark? Why would he kill her first?
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  When I start the program? He's my first assistant I have
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  here and so very cool. Yeah.
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  So he started with me so I like that because he has nothing to
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  gain from this and Jeff are you know I'm kidding when you know
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  I'm playing up the You have something gained to nominate
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  him, but no, that's really cool man.
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  That says a lot about you. I'm excited to kind of dig into
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  that and see why, why are you nominated, well, why didn't your
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  mama? Teach you?
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  So so Phillip. Let's let's get our way back
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  machine here man. Where does track start for you
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  man? Where does what are you kind of
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  start getting into track and field?
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  It was I was act as a kid. I used to act out, you know, I
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  need something to do as a kid. I didn't have a mom and dad in
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  my life, so I was always acting out trying to find tension and I
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  found it. I was actually pretty fast.
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  So filled day in fourth grade, I did field day and I was beating
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  everybody. And so they actually kicked me
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  out a field day because I was hurting the other by
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  self-esteem. I didn't know that was a thing.
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  But yes. And so while became fans and I
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  realize, that's pretty good. And now that's kind of funny
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  actually because we talked about today and I know you're not that
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  old. But we talk about today's kids
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  and how, you know, fragile and all that kind of stuff.
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  But here's back when you were a kid and it was the parents that
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  were fragile, not the kind of the kids, get their quote
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  unquote feeling sir, because the parents ever, Like get him out
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  of here. He certain can.
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  Yeah, it's interesting that you know maybe all this stuff we
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  talked about kids. Actually maybe started car back
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  that. Yeah.
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  I love when people complain about today's kids because I'd
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  like, you know who raised him? Right mr.
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  Parents. Exactly.
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  Like you're just complaining about yourself.
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  Basically that. So yeah.
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  Where are you growing up? Where were you?
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  Yeah, in high school, Michael Murphy was my high school coach
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  and my stuff in my actually Junior High coach.
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  He followed me. And get enough.
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  Yeah. Well you must not been acting
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  out that bad then to someone's calling, that's a good
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  attention. So I can subtract because I
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  don't want to be forgotten. That was my main thing.
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  So my any basic adopting, my grandma first and then I'll
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  adopt me. So I don't be forgotten again.
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  I was like my mom and dad didn't want me at the beginning, so
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  make sure nobody forgets my name.
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  So I started running track and everywhere I went I wanted to
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  break records so it was a that's what I was.
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  That's what motivated for really the show you buy that.
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  I can be somebody who was that in.
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  I mean, we're talking about, you know, pretty sensitive topic
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  here, you know family? Yeah, yeah.
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  I grew up no dad as well, and that's between Mom and homes and
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  all that kind of stuff. But, you know, that that
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  sentiment of like, I don't want to be forgotten, was that.
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  It's like when you talk about fourth grade field day was it
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  right off the bat, fourth grade, or was it like more like high
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  school maybe when you started getting some attention like from
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  maybe colleges or breaking records Etc, high school and in
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  college less talking, more attention and started paying
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  pretty good at it. And so what events are you
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  special? Is it in high school?
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  I was actually at when a runner in high school my clothes didn't
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  let me do the hundred. He said I was, I was out of 24
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  guy and I was too tall for 100. That's what he said at the time.
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  This is, this is pre bolt, I assume then.
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  Yes, people actually. So I would but not it's one and
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  a high school because in Texas, you need to do three events.
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  And so I was based on the 4014 by 2 and then 200 meters.
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  Even relays. I didn't know that.
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  Yeah, yes. We let's count.
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  So yeah, we had Shelton Irvin on the podcast over down from
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  Summer Creek, High School in Houston, he was the USAF.
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  See a boy as National coach of the year, he kind of laid out
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  the Texas high school. So I was like how to qualify and
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  stuff. I didn't know that three events
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  and that includes relays because I know we double points in Texas
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  for the Relay. So I thought maybe those were
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  like, like three events and then you can also do relays.
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  But it's three including relays green include relay.
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  So I think most kids High School have any open events because
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  they're worried about the relays in Texas, so that actually hurts
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  of a recruiting sometimes. Well, that's interesting
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  because, you know, Twitter were, you know, I basically live,
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  right. There's a lot of talk, you know,
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  kind of snarky talk a little bit to be real Frank.
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  I mean, I kind of get it as a former college coach.
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  I kind of understand it, there's little bit to me, sometimes a
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  bit, too much snarkiness with it, but they talk about like,
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  you know, I don't want to, I don't want to see your relay
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  splits recruit, you know, it doesn't mean what's your open.
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  It's like, well, some maybe don't get the opportunity to run
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  over, you didn't get it. Interesting.
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  Okay, so you're running the to and the relays.
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  Where do you want be talk to me about your high school coach?
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  What kind of good coach Pat coach?
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  If he's mad because he was most mostly like a father figure to
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  me so that I have my dad, so he was more of a mentor.
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  A father figure to me, wasn't real.
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  He was - he was my sprinkled because my head coach, like I
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  said, my commercials, my head coach, so he was always there
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  for me. No matter what a great guy, he
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  has hard to go. I sprinkle just coach Fleming,
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  he was pretty good, it's fun. Jamel Fleming, he wants.
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  The NFL played for the Cardinals, little plug for him,
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  and I'm already team actually went to State.
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  And so, it was pretty cool. I ran 2117 in high school, so, I
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  wouldn't wasn't that bad. And then if someone track Iran
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  2104, so I was pretty pretty decent.
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  Wow. You know, it's actually a
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  little-known secret. I actually ran 2100 for once,
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  huh? Yeah, it was in the hundred
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  those, I'm not sure what that for weights, but I didn't dig
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  it. You can't take it away from me.
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  Then that actually probably was my 110-meter hurdler.
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  PR We're probably what that's like, you know, I always do that
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  joke about the, you know, Iran wants, and it's always the event
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  lower, but I really do. That's how bad I was in the
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  hurdles in high school. I bet that was my PR.
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  I've actually probably pretty proud of that was my PR because
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  that's pretty, pretty trashed. So what are you going to track
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  athlete? Are you in high school?
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  And what I mean by that is, you know, we talked about, we kind
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  of put these big blankets that, you know, kids don't know, the
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  track athletes that are out there.
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  They don't study the history and all that kind of stuff where you
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  kind of a guy who knew what was going on in the track.
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  Or were you kind of centered in, on your track world?
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  I'm a geek. I'm a nerd for track.
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  So I knew everything about track.
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  I'm a person that Google's research is all my competition.
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  The history, I'm big, Michael Johnson fan, so I was in Michael
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  Johnson knows my idol mom. If you look at my college
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  pictures in my photos, you see me with the ghost fights and I'm
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  holding them up and I won. So it was Ill.
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  He was my he was the guy. He used to go to me, he'll
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  always be the go. I never thought about number
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  312. M record, 22 1932 but I mean
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  obviously Usain Bolt did it but um He was, he's from Dallas as
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  well. So same are y'all from.
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  And he was the guy, that's awesome.
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  So, what year, what's your senior year in high school?
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  What year is that 2006, okay? Because you're talking about
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  Google and I was like, okay well that's got to be in the 2000s.
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  But MJ was your Your Heroes? Give me that's 94 or 96 ish.
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  But so, yeah, you're a nerd on in this regards to like the
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  history. You knew who he was.
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  Yes. And so in the same time, the
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  Dragon Warrior was basically, I think he was in college at the
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  time who were from the same city.
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  He was also my mom's on the game, but ours is again, waiting
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  the school year when he was in school, so I show you how old
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  John Warner. Is he hears this?
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  He knows about, you know, I know Jerry pretty well.
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  Now that's shots right there, man.
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  He's gonna, he's gonna nominate himself to get on here, just to
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  rebut that he was killing it. And I was like when he was a
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  senior in high school, so I know he was as well and I want to
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  break our his records, as well. I thought that was my goal then.
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  So, I always look up to people like that and I won't be like,
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  Try to beat him. How'd that work out for you?
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  Look at all right you know he's kind of a Olympian so he not
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  even get there. He deserves those records.
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  Yeah, he's the guy, he's a guy. So what were you thinking for
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  college in regards to studying and a career where we're at in
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  your house, in high school? What were you thinking for the
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  next step there? So I'm a die-hard longhorn fan
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  so I think I'm going to text you.
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  That's what I thought and I want to be an architect.
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  Some reason I want to be an architect, I don't know why but
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  But I was bigger now and math. I can do you.
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  Do math a lot to do that. So that they could architect but
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  not so big and math. Yeah.
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  Yeah. And so yeah, but I realized that
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  some kids do relies on them as freshman and sophomore years.
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  You actually take School seriously and so I didn't take
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  it that serious. My coach told me from day one,
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  you got his school seriously, but me being a superstar as a
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  freshman on the varsity, as a freshman, as a freshman, in high
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  school in Texas, to make it that far, you have an ego This
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  printer you have evil anyways but I was in when I was cocky
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  kids that always been fast my whole life and so working hard
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  and doing stuff came natural to me.
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  So I have to work hard basically and everything natural.
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  So I actually played around my first two years in College High
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  School. It s same thing in practice, I
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  played around and I didn't really understand what I had in
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  to, you know, my senior year and then those two like yeah, that's
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  interesting, you know, at our age we have perspective, right?
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  We can look behind and see the mistakes we've made as a frosh
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  off and the ice. School and even in practice,
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  it's like man if I would have just taken it 10% more serious.
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  Where could it have taken me? Interesting.
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  So you your long die-hard Longhorn fan half the people
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  listening are yelling at you right now for that fact alone.
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  So where did you end up? You know with all the mistakes
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  and stuff through high school, where did you end up going for
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  school? So as soon as a couple of
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  offers, no Texas TCU but couldn't get in.
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  I pulled my hamstring my senior to, as well.
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  So I heard my scholarships so actually it Like obvious that
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  the other some attract I was actually had nowhere to go
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  really know where to go, and I'm going to fast kids.
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  Instead of Texas, not just head to the nation because I got top
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  8 in the National AAU Nationals in.
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  So I'm just gonna home with nowhere to go and school called
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  me called Allen County Community College.
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  And I'm thinking coach The Grotto, if you know him, this de
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  Grado, he coached here, he called me, see what you're doing
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  right now. I said, sitting on my bed, you
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  said he want to come to college. I said, I guess you want to
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  major in college. I was like, what did you do in
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  college? You know who I am.
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  I'm feeling better again. That's why I told him.
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  I was like, I don't even know who you are and he said, well,
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  it's come on, Augie scholarship. Come on, down next week, I was
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  heading down that I will the Kansas and on 4th, when I Madre,
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  drop me off and I sit there and cried on the bed.
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  I was like, I'm a D1 athlete. I'm a D1 athlete.
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  And little did I know it was the best decision of my life.
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  Wow, that's super interest. I love that.
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  You went to a Juco and you coach it.
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  Like you have that kind of like as your recruiting.
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  You can draw on that experience of, you know, a kid from the
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  Dallas area that goes. Iola Kansas Chanute can't.
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  I mean, these are the middle of nowhere.
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  Great, Ben Kami. These literally our small towns
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  and Kansas and you kind of you look around, you're like, what
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  am I doing here? But I was like, this is crazy.
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  I cry. Let me do it for the first week.
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  I just caught him a bit like I'm not supposed to be here but like
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  I said, I told you. It's best decision of my life.
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  It's the best is what makes you say that.
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  I had to grow up as a person as an athlete, as a, as a as a man,
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  as that student had to grow up. So dream College, helped me grow
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  up. You can't depend on anybody in
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  college, is basically you and coaches in the trenches.
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  And so I had to think I had a have a legal sometimes.
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  I like my call at home for help. I'm gonna figure it out myself,
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  so I never call home for help. I just figured it out and it
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  made me grow up as a person. But what did you think?
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  One of the bigger transitions from high school to Junior
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  College, at least the junior college that I'm familiar with
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  the Kansas Jayhawks system and maybe some of the other ones as
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  well. Not real familiar with the
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  California system, but But you're in a really small town
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  that there is nothing going on. Yeah.
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  In that, in that college, and its athletes specifically, if
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  you have a football team in basketball etcetera, but that
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  everybody knows who you are. You are the outsider because you
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  didn't grow up in that little town of Kansas, what like, how
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  did you adjust? Because you talked about, you
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  know, being on your own, in regards to family.
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  But, you know, you had coaches and athletes, like, you have
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  kind of two decisions to make their you can You can still go
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  there and screw around and flunk out and home right or you can
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  say, okay, well this is a second chance for me.
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  Let's buckle down athletically and academically.
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  How did you come to that? Buckle down decision?
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  Getting my butt kicked. My first meet, that's what
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  helped me buckle down again. I'll still have this Eagle, like
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  I'm feeling rhetoric. I'ma show you, I can come in
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  college will be anybody. I want to be.
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  So my first semester I still played around.
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  I'm still afraid. I'm so Rick.
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  I'm so freshman. So I played it on my first
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  semester, got to the first meat and I got my butt whooped from.
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  Hey, I I would say 60 meter and a 717.
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  My first reading the 60 and I'm thinking myself, what just
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  happened, I'm feeling better, and it didn't matter that
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  everybody's good there and I was like, let me try this working
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  hard thing. Let me try to focus and lock in
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  and working hard and listen to my coaches and the rest of his.
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  And what were you studying at that time or was it just gen Ed,
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  just don't get it right there. I want to study.
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  And then after I got there, I understand Communications.
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  So, so me. I like to die challenges.
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  So my biggest fear is communication.
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  Talk in front of crowds. So I'm actually majored in
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  communication because I want to do a face my fears.
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  That's kind of guy I am you know.
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  Math is my fear in sound like it, I don't know, feels your
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  fear, but maybe not so good. Like I would be you didn't want
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  to face that fear. You're like, I'll go find a
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  different one find different for yes sir, that's a smart
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  decision. So how did it go?
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  Those two years. I Tsum you spent two years.
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  That's pretty traditional. Two years there at Allen house
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  was astir. When Alan I transferred over to
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  the Osho? Oh you When transporting your
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  show where I have all the records there as well, have
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  Allen County and in Neosho, Mister bottle left so I'm trying
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  to coaches and stuff you know, that kind of hurt my feelings as
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  the former head coach in the O show.
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  You said, I've got all the school records their medium but
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  I don't have any anymore as what you're telling me.
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  Okay. All right.
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  I got it. That's a lot of shots fired in
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  this episode and we're like 16 minutes in here.
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  Holy cow. How did you like she knew, man?
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  Like I didn't realize. You were lived in shoe that's,
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  you know, I'd spent my one-year service there.
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  Yeah, it was, it was actually pretty cool.
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  I don't I don't know a lot so I say to my dorm and did, you
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  know, do what to do? But it's a nice town.
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  I got my degree there and everything else is history.
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  So it's a good town. Good people.
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  The teachers the administration. It was nice.
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  Did they have the track when you were there?
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  We got the high school track. Yeah, that's where we went to
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  the high school. They got their own track or
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  Community track, right after you.
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  So what hasn't been all that? Long for that.
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  Yeah, but we used to go this rundown.
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  High school track. Not good, man, and cold.
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  Yeah. Did you get it?
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  So you were on the track team, did you?
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  You have you practiced in the basketball gym?
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  Did you hand out of there with it?
• 16:49
  With little strip of trip attract?
• 16:52
  Yeah, we did that. Because a lot of black work up
• 16:53
  there. Did you have any, did you have
• 16:55
  the midnight, time slot or the 6 a.m. time slot?
• 16:57
  Because baseball yeah, baseball gets the, the Cherry spot, it
• 17:01
  gets whatever he wants, you know, he's been there.
• 17:03
  Forever and Coach. That's so cool, man.
• 17:07
  I love that. The little common connection
• 17:09
  there. She knew Kansas.
• 17:10
  There ain't many people that have that connection, so you end
• 17:15
  up getting your degree from, you know, show the Panthers baby,
• 17:18
  love it. And what.
• 17:20
  So what are you what are you thinking?
• 17:22
  Not only where to go where to transfer to for your four year
• 17:25
  but also continuing on with your communications degree.
• 17:29
  So yes, I'm going to click continue with my communication
• 17:32
  degree. I didn't broadcast journalism.
• 17:34
  So I got into broadcasting with my broadcast journalism.
• 17:37
  Major, I had offers from U of H, Texas Tech, Nebraska, University
• 17:42
  of Washington. And again, like I said, I was
• 17:44
  Texas Fan. So at the time, Bubba Thornton
• 17:46
  was the head coach at Texas? And I was the number three, Drew
• 17:49
  close formation of bonds or a phone.
• 17:51
  Number one, Ryan brothers. Number two, so you know, those
• 17:53
  two guys, they were both Olympians, so I was in a good
• 17:56
  class in junior college and so what?
• 18:00
  Bubba don't call me, personally said, Philip I would love to
• 18:02
  have you but you have to walk. Walk on because I don't take
• 18:04
  Juco sprinters and I was like what?
• 18:07
  So I didn't know that. That's not me to say Chuckles
• 18:11
  for now. So yeah, I was, I was, I was in,
• 18:12
  d.c. called me. That was the great thing he
• 18:14
  called me. Um, so I was, I was hurt sad.
• 18:17
  But, um, like I took his all the time.
• 18:20
  Don't go and get Chasing the Dream school.
• 18:21
  If they don't want, you don't go in there, Chasing the Dream
• 18:23
  school. And so I had a full ride
• 18:25
  scholarship to the University of Washington.
• 18:26
  And so I signed with him in Seattle, it was a great
• 18:29
  experience, then transfer ticket selling University, okay?
• 18:32
  As I say, Seattle's a little far that means from Chanute to
• 18:37
  Dallas, is a decent little drive now, but now we're talking about
• 18:41
  your way out west. How was that going so far away
• 18:43
  from home? And really anybody that, you
• 18:46
  know, and talks like you, you know, no accents up there,
• 18:48
  things like that. So I'm the first thing is to do,
• 18:51
  just up different and so, if you haven't noticed, I do some
• 18:54
  different. I don't like going with the
• 18:55
  grain. I'm glad I just have different.
• 18:57
  And so I was like Pac-12 Washington, why not?
• 19:01
  And the code I love Shane at the time years ago, Oh sprinkles,
• 19:03
  they're not. He connected with him and I like
• 19:06
  the DMC. The indoor facility.
• 19:07
  Yes, I was like, I'm about to go up there and be different and
• 19:10
  strong tradition. And so I went up there, how'd
• 19:13
  you enjoy the time up there it was feels good but then I'm
• 19:16
  getting something happened. My credits, they have trimesters
• 19:19
  there so I would have been eligible right away.
• 19:21
  So I transferred down and to be eligible right away, okay?
• 19:24
  A lot of rain up there, man, they know that they need that
• 19:27
  indoor facility is amazing. Sits in the lake or whatever is
• 19:35
  right there. Well, it is pretty cool, pretty
• 19:37
  cool area. Be prepared for, you know, see
• 19:39
  that before. So that's why I'm attracted me a
• 19:40
  lot because I'm from Texas as I've noted before in my life and
• 19:43
  it's beautiful. Yeah that's cool.
• 19:45
  So you turns it would you say Texas?
• 19:47
  Southern as a sudden reversal. Yes sir.
• 19:49
  Yeah, another great school. Okay so how'd that go?
• 19:52
  It was get there. First, our first semester I'm
• 19:54
  there. I'm like now is that watching?
• 19:56
  This is a different kind of. I mean, who are 55 thousand kids
• 19:59
  at my school about 11,000. It's an HBCU historically, black
• 20:03
  college. And the first person history,
• 20:04
  ran nine seconds. Jimmy hyams was Prince TSU.
• 20:06
  So a lot of history there. Oh, wow.
• 20:09
  So I'm there on campus. I'm like, okay, it's cool, it's
• 20:11
  cool but it's not what I wanted to be again is not what we
• 20:13
  wanted to be like Andrew cause like I don't want to be here.
• 20:15
  And then again, the next two years, there's a great best
• 20:18
  decision of my life. I fell in love with the school
• 20:19
  and the rest is history. I was when the tops rooms and
• 20:22
  Nation the top six Pinner in the 20 meters top, 20 spending 100
• 20:26
  meters before those claims. He went to Nationals, I was
• 20:28
  doing it at his. You want a national so I was
• 20:31
  under for thanks to you guys to go National Four more shots
• 20:34
  fired Dwayne. If I know you're listening,
• 20:38
  don't still recruit his kids, okay?
• 20:40
  Don't do this. Sour you on Philip Roderick,
• 20:43
  right? You said you finished out your
• 20:47
  degree in broadcast journalism. Yes, sir.
• 20:50
  That's so funny. I'm from a journalism background
• 20:53
  as well as a print journalism major in college in the
• 20:57
  newspaper people say. Yeah interesting.
• 20:59
  It's a what were you thinking? As you're finishing up your
• 21:02
  career at Texas Southern as a Student athlete.
• 21:04
  What are you thinking of career at this point?
• 21:06
  I'm thinking, I'll stop by stop, Six Nations, 10, meters on,
• 21:09
  something about going pro. That was my main goal is going,
• 21:11
  running, professional, but also want to go ESPN.
• 21:14
  I want to be, I want to be like, Steven Naismith, that was my
• 21:16
  goal. He really motivated me.
• 21:18
  So I want to ask you your name, I'm not a big ESPN guy, but you
• 21:21
  know, Steven Naismith, Scott, like you later where we don't
• 21:24
  need more Steven Naismith, we don't need more yelling at the
• 21:27
  camera and he only won by the way but oh man, holy crap,
• 21:31
  that's how he was mine. Very cool to me.
• 21:34
  I like them together. So what did you end up doing?
• 21:37
  Juju join post-collegiate group. Yes I'm joined on, I'll turn
• 21:41
  pro. I'm going to Vegas for about two
• 21:44
  or three years. I'm trying out there Britton
• 21:46
  Davis. My first be within Canada,
• 21:48
  Saskatchewan indoor meet. So that's my first Pro media was
• 21:51
  pretty cool. Then I came back to Texas and
• 21:54
  try and couple more years down there.
• 21:56
  How was that first trip to Canada?
• 21:57
  I mean, because what I love about track and and kids that,
• 22:01
  you know, unless I try to go pro meeting, you know?
• 22:03
  You know, you don't end up going to the, you know, the top three
• 22:05
  people that ever can make it to the top top, right?
• 22:08
  But I love the ability to travel to new plate.
• 22:11
  You know, track took you to places that you never, you
• 22:14
  almost done. I'm going to Big swath here and
• 22:17
  stay with me. You never would have went to
• 22:19
  Seattle. You probably would have, you
• 22:20
  know, but, you know, saying, like Seattle and Canada.
• 22:23
  That's so cool. How was that experience going to
• 22:25
  a different country? I loved it.
• 22:27
  When I find got a passport. So I make here from Dallas,
• 22:29
  Texas. In the passport, accepted my
• 22:31
  family, nobody in my family, ever did that before.
• 22:33
  So Stuff that my family never did and it's actually amazing
• 22:35
  thing. I'm getting stamps in, they're
• 22:37
  going to Canada Ireland, stuff like that.
• 22:40
  It's amazing in his own, or through customs, just
• 22:42
  experiencing that the Small Things, expand the customs and
• 22:44
  stuff like. That was really cool.
• 22:47
  I'm going to England, there was amazing, you'll still saw Frozen
• 22:49
  but when we went there but it was it was nice - 20 degrees but
• 22:53
  it was crazy indoor facilities that they love tractor in
• 22:56
  Canada. So they treat you right?
• 22:58
  Like you like you're a superstar.
• 22:59
  So um, track overseas, really a big-time thing it.
• 23:03
  Understand that, it's like it's like NFL here and so they treat
• 23:06
  you like royalty when you're over there running for the pin
• 23:08
  in that country's. Wow, that's awesome.
• 23:10
  So, where is let's start working towards coaching now, where is
• 23:15
  where is coaching in your mind? You know, you're running, you
• 23:18
  can go to Canada, you mentioned Ireland, things like that,
• 23:20
  you've got this broadcast journalism, you have this dream
• 23:22
  of being on ESPN, if you don't TV and, you know, being a pundit
• 23:26
  or whatever they call them, where is coaching in your life
• 23:30
  as far as a career, it's not even there.
• 23:32
  It's not Nowhere near him. I've never thought about I'll be
• 23:35
  coaching ever in my life never thought in a million years, not
• 23:38
  one iota, not like, oh man, if I could be like, coach Murphy
• 23:43
  coach heart, he coached my idol MJ, not at all.
• 23:47
  Never thought about being coached ever, never thought
• 23:49
  about it. So how do we get there?
• 23:50
  What's the step over the many steps?
• 23:53
  562 seventh year running? Professional.
• 23:55
  I'm a dick. It's a career-ending injury on
• 23:57
  my to my PT telling and my ankle and my spring ligament.
• 24:01
  And so I have that surgery. I couldn't offer eight months
• 24:02
  which is the racing because um I'm a guy that, you know, I run
• 24:06
  for a living couldn't walk. So I have to spell out what I'm
• 24:09
  gonna do with my life for those, for the rest of my life,
• 24:12
  basically. So I started thinking about,
• 24:15
  maybe I can do private coaching by, get back from, from this
• 24:19
  injury. So I start doing like Preston's
• 24:21
  here and there and actually started getting a lot of
• 24:23
  clients. So first, I thought maybe two or
• 24:25
  three clients and also I get like 60 70 clients.
• 24:27
  Then I was like huh I'm pretty good at this.
• 24:29
  So let me start doing a summer track team so then I made us
• 24:32
  some track team. This in Texas.
• 24:35
  Yes, I think sex is. Okay, let's call it.
• 24:37
  No speed limit. Well, that was our team name is
• 24:39
  a, my first year. We had a girl, become
• 24:42
  All-American. She ran like a 24 and she'd come
• 24:44
  out American. And my second year, I had a girl
• 24:47
  win a National Championship Madison, Jeff, but she's gonna
• 24:49
  pass it goes in Texas right now. She wanted 20 meters as a eighth
• 24:52
  grader, but 24 1111 688 and is 56 as a eighth grader.
• 24:57
  So she's not too bad. And I'm like, okay, I can do
• 25:00
  this and as I'm doing this program up from nothing again,
• 25:03
  The ad from Fort Scott actually called me the first time and you
• 25:06
  say, do you want to become a coach?
• 25:09
  And I said, no, I turned it down the first year turned it down.
• 25:13
  Really well? Why I just didn't want to go
• 25:16
  back to Kansas now is because I and I got back from injury.
• 25:19
  I actually recover from an injury, it's not never run
• 25:21
  again, but I actually ran two more years after that and the
• 25:24
  doctor was actually amazed at Iran and then also did a show
• 25:28
  called next Olympic hopeful. Which is they pick 50 athletes
• 25:31
  in America and we compete. And for a sport like, rugby on
• 25:36
  bobsled skeleton, all that and actually finishing the top two
• 25:40
  and stalls on a TV show and finish top two best athletes in
• 25:43
  America. Well, I want to hold on.
• 25:44
  Want to know more about this, I've never heard this.
• 25:47
  Yeah. So it's some kind of reality TV
• 25:49
  show thing. Yes.
• 25:50
  Sorry yes. I think I am C Sports.
• 25:52
  It's on my link in my Instagram or Twitter so my link is called
• 25:55
  next Olympic hopeful and they pick 50 athletes to go against
• 25:59
  each other. Using Colorado Springs Olympic
• 26:02
  Training Center and me, 50 a 50 different kind of competitions.
• 26:06
  We did the 40. You just print lift weights and
• 26:08
  all that and they pick the best athlete at the end of the show.
• 26:11
  My finished talk to Josh Williams and me finished pop to
• 26:14
  for bobsled because, I guess you got picked to go to the bobsled
• 26:17
  training camp, who's 2018, who were the other you mentioned
• 26:20
  Josh who were the other 48 where these like legit people like
• 26:24
  where you like oh yeah, I gotta work to to win this thing.
• 26:27
  Oh, some solve the head competition that Lifetime
• 26:30
  Fitness I think is life, not? Because I'm not sure, but they
• 26:32
  picked a couple appease, the bear.
• 26:33
  And then a picnic people actually Sports other sports.
• 26:36
  I was when I got a pic from other sports all the track, got
• 26:38
  secrets from other sports track football, decathlon stuff like
• 26:43
  that. They pick people different
• 26:44
  people from different sports and they put together and you were
• 26:48
  one of the finals. Was for the bobsled.
• 26:51
  Yes, sir. So I thought offered rugby I'll
• 26:53
  stop going to be rugby then it moved me over to Bob split, huh?
• 26:57
  It's great. What is this?
• 26:59
  Little kid. Fourth grade field day, kid
• 27:03
  doing, bobsled and rugby. You grew up when you were
• 27:07
  telling me. This is the truth.
• 27:08
  Maybe all the way through High School, you had no idea what
• 27:10
  rugby even was did you know? I didn't, I couldn't see ya.
• 27:16
  I grew up in Alabama. We have rugby and we certainly
• 27:19
  didn't have bobsled. Let me tell you, I knew above
• 27:22
  sled was from the Winter Olympics but I certainly did not
• 27:24
  know what rugby was. Yeah.
• 27:26
  So what happened with the bobsled and thing?
• 27:29
  So 2018, I believe 17, we've been up here like plastic New
• 27:34
  York where they have the training thinner, beautiful for
• 27:37
  bobsled, we competed for the rookie championships.
• 27:39
  I took second rookie, rookie Championship.
• 27:41
  Again, Josh Williams is amazing. Mom say something he's on the
• 27:43
  USA team right now. He was like a 4235 de la magra,
• 27:47
  basically running for forth and he's a, he's a beast, he's
• 27:50
  amazing amazing guy. And after the second him so I
• 27:53
  don't feel bad, he's a great guy, were you you know there's
• 27:56
  my dangerous bobsled knowledge, right?
• 27:58
  There's a driver. And a pusher and I know there's
• 28:00
  two before man. All that kind of stuff.
• 28:01
  Were you a pusher or driver? I was a pusher I'm in the I
• 28:05
  can't drive. No, no no, I don't think that
• 28:08
  takes 20 years to do it. Is that right to dry their
• 28:11
  bobsled takes a long time to learn how to drive about that.
• 28:14
  They were really good at that. See I always thought like
• 28:17
  because you know you see where they go and I know there's turns
• 28:19
  and stuff like that but it feels like the bobsled just goes that
• 28:22
  way, you know but they're actually driving.
• 28:24
  It's a skill like that. Huh.
• 28:25
  You know. It's you have to learn a skill.
• 28:27
  Gotta practice that you have to be really good.
• 28:30
  I would have assumed you'd have been The Pusher, but I didn't
• 28:31
  want to assume because of, you know, they sell.
• 28:33
  But because of the acceleration pattern of sprinting, you know,
• 28:35
  things like that. How much since you've done both,
• 28:38
  you know, spring the high level and bobsled it at a fairly high
• 28:40
  level 2 are, there are a lot of similarities or there's some
• 28:44
  pretty July's differences. It's really similar.
• 28:48
  It's no difference except some any faster down.
• 28:50
  Could you help me in track to learn to push, and keep them?
• 28:54
  Keep my hips up front, you know, keeping everything in front
• 28:55
  pushing. So actually helped me in track
• 28:58
  as well. It's actually pushing now, it's
• 29:00
  like a drive that is basically staying low pushing out and when
• 29:04
  you get in top speed, make sure you can call and jump into this
• 29:06
  layer. So it's all the really thing.
• 29:08
  And then once you jump in, you're done right the dry.
• 29:10
  It's done. You just need to break down
• 29:12
  this. Pull the brakes at the very end.
• 29:14
  Well, that's cool. So you started Stop it.
• 29:15
  That's cool. It's a crazy thing.
• 29:19
  So draftsman down first, right? And I'm he's I asked them if
• 29:21
  they'd just how was it? He's like Philip I can't explain
• 29:23
  it. I was like what do you mean you
• 29:24
  can't explain. How does it feel?
• 29:26
  He said you just have to do it feel it.
• 29:28
  I was like all right whatever. So late class is one of the
• 29:30
  hardest tracks in the world by the way and be proud that track.
• 29:33
  So my first time going down we're going maybe 50 to 60 miles
• 29:37
  per hour. Hardest in regards to like
• 29:39
  navigating or hard. Like like if you if you vote
• 29:41
  crash both, okay. All the above is, you don't want
• 29:48
  any even try it. It's not.
• 29:50
  And so I'm going down. Not even fully pushing this way.
• 29:51
  I'm going down maybe 50 miles per hour.
• 29:53
  I'm going down I'm like oh my God, just like rally back and
• 29:56
  forth. Your heads been back and forth.
• 29:58
  You're swaying back and forth and I got out outside but that
• 30:01
  is due. And the code is like the most
• 30:03
  people we quit after. The first time, I was like I'm
• 30:06
  not quitting. So let's go up again and do it
• 30:07
  again. I love that attitude, like yeah.
• 30:10
  Alright, quit, that's not in the definition of all here.
• 30:12
  Let's get back up. So the next time you go fat like
• 30:14
  actually Push and go for questioning.
• 30:16
  Yeah. And it gets it doesn't get any
• 30:18
  easier. How fast did you get that thing
• 30:21
  going? Because I think you'll like 70
• 30:24
  80 miles per hour and it goes, It goes and I know they said,
• 30:28
  you're not real boxer to you pressed.
• 30:30
  So we went to Salt Lake and my finally crashed in Salt Lake and
• 30:33
  so. So first of all, how do you
• 30:35
  create like? I mean, again, I've seen him
• 30:36
  crash but I don't really understand how you crash and
• 30:38
  then how about of how did that feel?
• 30:40
  It just depends on the weight, might be shipped the wrong, the
• 30:42
  drive, make the wrong angles, and then you see you tip over.
• 30:45
  Can you slide on your head for about?
• 30:46
  Fifty, fifty yards, Dam, because you can't get out your just stop
• 30:51
  thinking you just stuck in there.
• 30:52
  Now, if you have your birth cert on, you'll tear the skin off, by
• 30:55
  the way. So yeah, it's amazing.
• 30:58
  I imagine that's got to be like, like being in a car crash.
• 31:03
  Like you have to, you have to be sore like the next door.
• 31:06
  Yes. Or it's nothing like it on you
• 31:08
  all the time. If you watch, watch, watch them
• 31:10
  until a is your you be actually shocked with these athletes.
• 31:12
  Can do it. So these are really big athletes
• 31:14
  on a little bit too, but You think about it?
• 31:15
  These are five, six, four, six three athletes or 225 230, and
• 31:19
  they're really good after they're not just regular people
• 31:21
  to sit on the couch. They're actually amazing
• 31:23
  athletes. They need to give love to those
• 31:24
  Winter Olympics, guys, because they're amazing.
• 31:27
  I like how you put that good athletes in a little tub.
• 31:36
  That's so interesting. You know, this is what I love.
• 31:39
  I mean, I'm just so humbled to be the host of the Gill
• 31:42
  connections podcast because I get to learn things that I never
• 31:45
  would have thought to learn. You know, here I am talking to
• 31:48
  you coach a new. We're going to talk.
• 31:49
  We're going to talk to you. Can we have talked to you coach
• 31:52
  track and field did not see bobsled coming into the
• 31:55
  conversation today. Man, I love that.
• 31:57
  It's so awesome. So how did you what happened to
• 32:00
  bobsledding? That you eventually left and got
• 32:03
  into coma? Just um, it got too hectic,
• 32:06
  bobsled and then College coaching.
• 32:10
  So as a time and track and then Tom have Ron called me.
• 32:14
  He said, you want to coach the first year bring the program
• 32:16
  back from that. There's been a Hiatus maybe 10
• 32:18
  or 15 years and they bought the program back to us and 19.
• 32:22
  I believe 19 was first year program came back, and he told
• 32:25
  me said that I'm gonna Hire a new culture you going to, are
• 32:28
  you interested this the second time?
• 32:29
  He asked me. Now the second time and I said,
• 32:33
  I don't know yet time, I still didn't accept it cause I still
• 32:36
  was running track. I still want to run,
• 32:37
  professional still had dreamed, I can go fast and I said, I've
• 32:42
  got another guy for you. Um, call Goodman, he's one of my
• 32:45
  good friends from Coastal Carolina.
• 32:46
  I said, hey man, he would take the job if I don't take it and
• 32:50
  so I'm trying to plug him in. At the same time, I'm trying to
• 32:52
  make my decision up and he's like, well you guys until made
• 32:56
  by lobotomy. A decision up and I'm still
• 32:57
  sitting like I don't know if I wanna go to Kansas and try this
• 33:00
  thing but beans time I still was pulling applications like maybe
• 33:03
  a hundred application. Like I know calls back at the
• 33:05
  time. So I got not one single call
• 33:07
  back from other schools. Yes, there are other schools.
• 33:10
  So this is interesting, we just had G Taylor on the podcast and
• 33:15
  she was talking about something very similar shade applied to
• 33:18
  other schools and didn't get the job or, you know, so and so
• 33:21
  didn't call him etcetera. And we talked about the attitude
• 33:24
  that you have with that because some people have that attitude
• 33:26
  of like, Well I'm going to pin every one of those applications
• 33:29
  on my wall. You seem like that?
• 33:31
  Yeah, it's right there. Yeah.
• 33:38
  You know it's hard to follow this Legacy sir.
• 33:41
  So I get it I get it. So yeah but you know I and I
• 33:46
  challenged LG Tone this one too now because she was that kind of
• 33:48
  attitude as well and the other attitude is and this is the one
• 33:52
  I would challenge you to accept and become is thank goodness me.
• 33:56
  The show didn't hire you and those 99 other schools didn't
• 34:00
  call you because you are where you are in a good place today.
• 34:04
  Yeah, because they didn't hire you and call.
• 34:06
  You know, saying it's always it's funny when we look back at,
• 34:09
  you know, decisions and things that we decided to do.
• 34:12
  And didn't do people who hired us and didn't hire us.
• 34:15
  And we always think about maybe how good it could have been
• 34:18
  psychol man. If you know, so-and-so would
• 34:21
  have hired me. I'd probably be in the power 5
• 34:23
  or whatever you think is. Maybe I'd be the coach of Texas.
• 34:25
  That would be a you. Like that job, right?
• 34:27
  You'll be okay. He's coming for you, Flo be
• 34:32
  careful, that's why hasn't he is no problem good.
• 34:37
  We often forget that sometimes those decisions that didn't
• 34:40
  happen could have been - as well, like, oh my goodness
• 34:43
  so-and-so hired me that could have been the end of my career
• 34:46
  because of bumble. But, you know, saying so it's
• 34:48
  like get the like, you know, I need, I want that external
• 34:51
  motivation. I want to show those other
• 34:52
  hundred schools how they missed out, but there's also like, you
• 34:55
  don't need that motivation. You know, saying you have your
• 34:57
  own internal motivation. Happy to be here.
• 35:00
  Exactly. So what made you so did Carl?
• 35:03
  Take the job? First of all, no, he didn't take
• 35:05
  this out. And so I say yeah, well girls,
• 35:08
  like I smell a setup here, hold a job.
• 35:20
  What is Tom's like why is he calling you what I mean by that?
• 35:23
  Is how do you know him? How does he know, use just from
• 35:25
  the Allen County in the Should somehow drawn.
• 35:28
  Okay, is what you want we want. And he's actually the he was a
• 35:30
  spring coach and he also when I transferred over so he he became
• 35:34
  the ad at Fort Scott reports got yes sir, what's not right?
• 35:40
  I love a track. Coach going into Administration
• 35:43
  on the first ones that actually do is go in and try code.
• 35:46
  So I love that because, you know, we need people who
• 35:50
  understand our sport in positions that are making
• 35:54
  decisions that affect our sport exactly and it Not an automatic.
• 35:57
  I mean there's been some ladies who were track people who have
• 36:00
  cut tracks, so it's can't believe you do that to your own
• 36:02
  sport but but I love that you know, attract guy goes into
• 36:07
  Administration, very cool. Okay, so that's how he knew.
• 36:09
  Yeah I was wondering where that came from a just seemed like
• 36:11
  kind of out of the blue but now it makes sense and he was follow
• 36:14
  me and he's fought with my so much fact teams.
• 36:16
  The three is I was going to turn attract.
• 36:18
  He's followed me for those three years.
• 36:19
  He's a soluble that team up from nothing from for athletes to
• 36:22
  being a National Power, which are somewhat red team.
• 36:24
  So can you did it before? It's got.
• 36:26
  And if I I only said, yes, in May.
• 36:27
  And I said, yes, I'll, um, I'll take the job.
• 36:30
  And then, I asked, Carlos, I call you in, as my assistant,
• 36:32
  coach and called him down again, by the way, it's my mom.
• 36:35
  The printer me down again but he's one of the best young
• 36:38
  coaches and Coastal Carolina and be one right now.
• 36:40
  He's amazing. Hey, first of all, I very much
• 36:43
  dislike that he's such a good coach because I'm a Troy
• 36:48
  University grown in the same conference.
• 36:51
  Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I'm tired of Coastal
• 36:53
  Carolina. Kids coming in and beat my
• 36:56
  Trojans. And all these events,
• 36:57
  specifically the hurdles and the Sprint's man, get out of here.
• 37:00
  Carl Goodman, you are terrible. You need to go to a different
• 37:03
  guy, actually. Maybe I should set up a
• 37:05
  different way. You are awesome.
• 37:06
  Get out of the Sun. Belt, how about that?
• 37:08
  Get away from my teams and we hired a recent grad, from
• 37:13
  Coastal Carolina, the River. Tomorrow.
• 37:15
  He's our pole, vault specialist. And so he talks highly of Coach
• 37:19
  Goodman as well, so, yeah, so you finally take the job.
• 37:23
  So, so what what, turn, what was the decision Point turning.
• 37:26
  Because you still Really weren't any you're doing this summer.
• 37:28
  Think summer Club coach but you weren't like, yeah, I'm like
• 37:30
  coach it, you're still a professional athlete trying to
• 37:33
  find his way and where I'm going to be professional.
• 37:35
  Bobsledding, it's printing Etc but something Tom, finally wore
• 37:40
  you down and something finally flipped for you.
• 37:41
  And you said, yep. Okay, I'm going to go to this
• 37:44
  profession. Yeah, I mean I know my time and
• 37:46
  track was coming down so I was like, okay I gotta find some
• 37:49
  nuts, you know, it's you know, my career might be over.
• 37:51
  Now I just you know, I wasn't running fast.
• 37:52
  I should have been running so I was like it's time for me to go
• 37:55
  do something else and coach. I started I can cook in a lot.
• 37:57
  I was like, okay that's what something that tells the
• 37:59
  applications and I'll try and get something.
• 38:00
  You know, gotta lie and I was like, well, it was already here.
• 38:03
  Keep getting asked has coached a team, so I'm going to do it.
• 38:06
  Now, I'm finally gonna give in and go try this, this coaching
• 38:09
  thing and so you joined Fort Scott, you said met, was this
• 38:12
  may of Twenty Ninth, Twenty One. Twenty Ninth twenty.
• 38:16
  Yes, sir. Yeah.
• 38:17
  Okay, let's say I didn't think you were that's basically just
• 38:19
  getting for Sky, you've had a season.
• 38:21
  So when 19 a no 1919. Sorry, was that Kobe year?
• 38:25
  I mean, everything, I canceled H20 was covid.
• 38:28
  Okay. So 19 May 19.
• 38:30
  Okay, so you got there and got your season canceled.
• 38:34
  Yes. Yes.
• 38:34
  Okay. My brother was born cancel.
• 38:36
  You got it. Yeah.
• 38:37
  I don't know how to count that, right?
• 38:38
  So I don't know if you can afford it, if you could.
• 38:41
  It's got for two years one. Yeah.
• 38:43
  I don't count the first. They didn't count.
• 38:46
  So talk to me about you get the job because me, you show up in
• 38:50
  May is there? Did you say there is no program
• 38:53
  at the time. So there's no kids, it wasn't
• 38:56
  program, it was It was basically just kids here at when I got
• 38:58
  here. But maybe what happens on the
• 39:00
  roster when I got here and I'm sorry about Thomas for people in
• 39:02
  the roster. Interesting you started in May.
• 39:05
  Yeah. So that's interesting because I
• 39:07
  started Neosho very similar. I had three or four kids from
• 39:12
  the former coaches program coming back.
• 39:15
  So I had Fork if I did nothing when I got there and met June
• 39:18
  I'd have four kids starting September or whatever, right?
• 39:22
  Yeah, but that wasn't going to fly for me.
• 39:24
  So what did you do in May? Did you Like okay, get my feet
• 39:27
  wet find out where, where's the building's the cafeteria, where
• 39:30
  my going to live? And we'll figure it out once
• 39:32
  September Comes and we'll start really building for 21.
• 39:35
  Or did you hit the feet? Hit the ground running at your
• 39:37
  feet going and start recruiting immediately, ah, sorry, couldn't
• 39:40
  meal it for me. I had a mentor that time I had
• 39:42
  nobody tells me what to do. Even Tom, did he cause have
• 39:45
  rounded help me at all? He was like, just you here to
• 39:48
  figure it out. So, basically, that's what I
• 39:49
  did. I figured out on a run and I
• 39:51
  don't how to recruit another call come athletes.
• 39:53
  I don't know how to look anything up, I did everything on
• 39:56
  my own. I own and I just figured it out
• 39:58
  as I went. So it was like, trial and error
• 39:59
  basically. And so what I did was start
• 40:02
  looking for kids on F, A dinette.
• 40:03
  And I went basically looking for kids at times are not great, but
• 40:07
  they're okay. And so I can be some kid sign
• 40:09
  and you know it's made. So everybody basically sign
• 40:11
  already been exactly, right. Hmm.
• 40:13
  And so somehow Exile, 40 kids, Become the fourth guy and
• 40:19
  everybody. The nation was like everybody.
• 40:20
  Drinking age was like, who is this kid guy at Fort Scott
• 40:23
  getting kids to come to Fort Scott?
• 40:24
  Kansas, they're often taken, by the way, I'm from Texas, are all
• 40:26
  from Texas and nobody could believe it resides some
• 40:29
  actually, some decent kids, some pretty good kids.
• 40:31
  Actually, about 3D one kids. I didn't have big offers from D1
• 40:34
  school. Coming down the fort Scott and
• 40:37
  nobody could believe it. And so it was pretty cool.
• 40:40
  How about 45 kids are first year in my women?
• 40:42
  She was about maybe eight athletes, deep women's side, but
• 40:44
  guys are more deeper because, you know, obviously wants to
• 40:46
  find a guy somewhere. This is so similar the same so
• 40:50
  you know we have both had a roughly you know for handful of
• 40:53
  kids coming back, right? Hit the ground running and you
• 40:56
  of course you're better than me. So you beat me, I didn't have
• 40:58
  40. Had about 30 to 35, I think the
• 41:01
  same but in mostly from Kansas, to be honest with you.
• 41:04
  But yeah. But a few Louisiana, Texas
• 41:06
  etcetera, a couple of real good kids out of you know and he
• 41:09
  didn't jump 50 but he's like 48, 49 ft, the triple etcetera.
• 41:14
  But so that's so interesting to the similarities there though.
• 41:17
  Yeah, but you went you had a pretty good quality kids coming
• 41:20
  in. Yeah that was all right, good
• 41:22
  pretty good quality yes, sir. The nobody could believe how can
• 41:25
  get some kids so fast and I had to be doing something wrong.
• 41:27
  I have to be cheating or something to get them to come to
• 41:29
  Fort, Scott, Kansas. And to be honest with you, my
• 41:31
  recruitment model is just be 100% honest with everybody.
• 41:34
  I have my some college coaches lied to me when I came in and so
• 41:37
  that's what rub me the wrong way.
• 41:38
  Like you lied to me about my career, you try to basically in
• 41:40
  my crib for a start it. And so, I went over to an
• 41:42
  athlete. So nasty.
• 41:43
  I'll tell them to 100% truth about her grades about classes
• 41:46
  about Fort Scott about the food dorms everything up 100 with
• 41:50
  everybody and so that's why I get 100.
• 41:52
  Most of my kids, I recruit because I'm gonna percent real
• 41:54
  with them all the time. Now, what's that mean 100% real?
• 41:58
  I know you just said, you know, the food and the town and yeah,
• 42:01
  all that kind of the grades that you're going to need all that
• 42:03
  kind of stuff. You put, maybe you as a coach.
• 42:05
  I can't, here's my style. Like don't come here, if you
• 42:07
  don't like your mom. Yes.
• 42:09
  On my energy, your Vibe. I like I like to be in home with
• 42:13
  the athletes. Actually, that's my talk on the
• 42:14
  phone room at all, so you can get a good feel for the person.
• 42:17
  Make you feel me? I can get fill the Dome at all.
• 42:19
  So they come for business or I go see them at their house and
• 42:22
  try to get a buy from them. And I tell them, exactly, 100%
• 42:25
  like this money, I'm offering you is no student loans in
• 42:27
  there. There's no hidden fees and
• 42:29
  there's nothing in there. This is what I'm offering you
• 42:31
  and so they actually trust me more because I'm giving 100%
• 42:34
  transparent with him at all times but they don't know that
• 42:36
  you're being 100% transparent. You know.
• 42:38
  Saying like you can tell him all this but until they experience
• 42:41
  it that's when they go. Oh, this dude was actually legit
• 42:43
  with me, right? Yeah.
• 42:45
  But having that attitude, Attitude and I love that
• 42:48
  attitude. By the way, don't, this isn't me
• 42:50
  questioning like you're doing it wrong.
• 42:51
  I think that's the exact way. In fact that I love that
• 42:54
  attitude when we talk about on the NCAA level with the transfer
• 42:57
  portal, like to me, it's like if you're more transparent about
• 43:01
  you and the school and your style Etc, you'll hear no more
• 43:06
  like kids will say, well I don't want to, I don't want to run for
• 43:08
  you, that's a good thing because that means you're not coming to
• 43:10
  your school and in a year or semester or two years
• 43:13
  transferring so I love that attitude.
• 43:15
  But with that, has that Her didn't you in the butt?
• 43:19
  Whether it's you lost the kid, or you got a kid that he was he
• 43:22
  or she was telling you. Yeah, that sounds awesome.
• 43:24
  And it gets there and he's like oh this sucks and he liked
• 43:27
  horror stories there. It's about what you said.
• 43:30
  I've been here for two years would have years.
• 43:32
  I have one kid transfer eye out for different junior college and
• 43:35
  that's just, you know, it might because of me but I think it's
• 43:38
  because of people that was around her and so it just
• 43:40
  happened. That way.
• 43:41
  My actually if you look in my emails I have about 100 kids.
• 43:44
  I want to transfer in to support Scott and so The opposite on my
• 43:47
  really nobody really here. It actually says, they don't
• 43:49
  like it here. Maybe they don't like the town
• 43:51
  because it's small, but it's really.
• 43:53
  Nobody really said that yet. So I'm really lucky.
• 43:56
  I'm really into, what have you been doing, what?
• 43:59
  You know, you mentioned, 40 kids, right off the bat.
• 44:01
  That's no, that's no easy feat. In a normal year, a full year,
• 44:06
  but you did it in May. When boy exactly doesn't 90% of
• 44:10
  the kids and maybe 99% the kids, know where they're going, or at
• 44:14
  least have it narrowed down to one or two or three, and Here
• 44:17
  comes the stranger from this strange school, right?
• 44:20
  We're not talking about, you know, coming into University of
• 44:22
  Texas and met and you call, it's like okay, whatever.
• 44:24
  I knows who and where, and what that is, right?
• 44:26
  You're calling from Fort, Scott Community, what's coach?
• 44:30
  I don't know who you are. I don't know where you're at.
• 44:31
  It's May. I'm about to walk the stage for
• 44:35
  my diploma. I already know where I'm going,
• 44:38
  but you were able to either find 40 kids.
• 44:40
  I didn't know where they're going and that says, a lot about
• 44:42
  the junior college system that that's possible or and, or 40
• 44:47
  kids that you were able to convince, hey, maybe just give
• 44:49
  me a shot. Like this might be the right
• 44:51
  school for you. How how did you do that?
• 44:54
  I'll tell him on. So, again is No tradition here
• 44:57
  at this. Cool is.
• 44:57
  There's nothing that you can sell them on.
• 44:59
  The can't someone championships? Like Barton can, you can't sell
• 45:02
  them on Pros? Like South Plains?
• 45:04
  Can you can't do that. So here I sell them on me.
• 45:06
  Basically guys, would you sell them?
• 45:08
  Telling me, I sell them. I run, professional track.
• 45:10
  I've been in June College. I've been to Olympic trials.
• 45:13
  I've been top, ranked in the nation.
• 45:15
  I sell them on me first. Then I Come on what they can do
• 45:18
  and what they can build the future, sell them on that and
• 45:22
  then they buy into it and it's like, I want to be some
• 45:24
  different. I don't want to go to the
• 45:26
  PowerHouse. I want to beat the powerhouses
• 45:28
  and that's why I sell them on. I'm be original.
• 45:30
  Be you be different. Don't chase the name.
• 45:32
  You can make the name wherever you go.
• 45:35
  Everybody knows Barton County is Barton County.
• 45:37
  It's a D1 school. I don't South Plains is a D1
• 45:39
  school. Everybody knows but their coffee
• 45:41
  bill. I wasn't sure those are D1
• 45:43
  schools and so I'll try to make for Scott if you want school as
• 45:45
  well. And And we try to make the name
• 45:48
  and he's doing this pretty good right now.
• 45:51
  That's that's a good selling point and it's going pretty good
• 45:53
  right now. So what I love about, you know,
• 45:56
  again I talked about the I live on Twitter and if you're on
• 45:58
  Twitter and we're not connected, what in the world are we doing
• 46:00
  here? We're going.
• 46:01
  So yeah, exactly listen to him exactly right, hit me up on
• 46:05
  Twitter at Mike Cunningham. It's easy to Remember My Name,
• 46:08
  all one word I was very blessed to get that name Twitter
• 46:11
  actually. So I actually because I had a
• 46:13
  relationship with Twitter, there was somebody who had at Mike
• 46:16
  Kennedy But he wasn't using it. And so I was like, Hey, as like,
• 46:20
  if he's not using it like he hadn't posted like three years
• 46:23
  or something like that. Yeah.
• 46:24
  Can I get it? He's obviously an active and
• 46:26
  they kicked him off and gave it to me.
• 46:29
  That's big time and it's not somebody out there right now is
• 46:31
  like mother after, that was my name.
• 46:33
  So some guy named Mike conahan was really ticked off right now.
• 46:36
  Yes, he is so on Twitter. You and that's where I see you
• 46:43
  actually. It's all aware us.
• 46:44
  You mean? I don't, I don't think we're
• 46:45
  connecting a Facebook. I don't do a lot on in Intagram
• 46:47
  doing more lately but I don't do a lot there.
• 46:49
  Yeah. Bollinger, beautiful me back.
• 46:50
  So I followed you by the way. Hey I have a flaw.
• 46:52
  Hold on now. So that's the second person.
• 46:54
  So I got to give my philosophy and it's the dumbest philosophy
• 46:57
  in the world but it's my philosophy so Twitter.
• 47:00
  I don't follow any non people. So if Fort Scott Community
• 47:05
  College track and field has an account, I won't follow them on
• 47:07
  Twitter but I'll follow Philip rhetoric on Twitter.
• 47:10
  Like it's me Twitter is so big on communication.
• 47:15
  So I want to talk to Phillip. Not Yeah, it's non-persian.
• 47:18
  I don't know who's behind that on if it's an essay needs,
• 47:20
  probably you. But you know, saying I won't do
• 47:23
  it. There's very few Accounts at,
• 47:24
  I'll follow on Twitter. It's like usually it's all of
• 47:26
  our facilities like gaily and Louisville and Spokane and
• 47:29
  cross-play. That's about the only thing,
• 47:30
  I'll fall on their on Instagram. I decided to do something,
• 47:34
  different over there and I didn't follow anybody in posted.
• 47:38
  And so I had something like, that's like three or four or
• 47:42
  five. Something right there hundred
• 47:43
  followers. So nothing big but only follow
• 47:45
  13 people. It is people that I knew like,
• 47:49
  yeah, like not even track people, like it was like, it was
• 47:53
  gonna sound so funny. It was my tattoo artist up in
• 47:55
  Chicago, it was Vanilla Ice who I'm friends with.
• 47:58
  Don't laugh, you know, those kind of people, right?
• 48:01
  But then but then recently, I changed on Instagram.
• 48:03
  So now I follow like a thousand and it's mostly accounts.
• 48:06
  So they are, I'll follow Fort Scott, Community College,
• 48:08
  Kansas, track and field. Etc.
• 48:10
  But through that time, people like you and other people have
• 48:13
  followed me. And so now I'm starting to catch
• 48:15
  up and follow you. And I've People like, oh, yeah,
• 48:17
  I think it was Eric would set it org and the throws coach there.
• 48:20
  I think he was like, oh, so now, you know, I followed you two
• 48:22
  years ago and now you're finally following me.
• 48:24
  I was like, here's my do philosophy.
• 48:27
  I had explained to him and he's like, Eric he goes?
• 48:29
  That's dumb as I got Eric. Yeah, okay, the better side.
• 48:33
  Let's get back over here. Yeah, but on Twitter, you have
• 48:37
  created this this brand. It's called building the brand,
• 48:41
  basically, we build the fort. When did that start?
• 48:45
  And how did you come up with that?
• 48:47
  To be honest with you, I was just thinking I need something
• 48:49
  different. Like, most junior colleges.
• 48:51
  Don't do stuff. Like I've started doing
• 48:53
  Graphics. I started doing everything to do
• 48:55
  ones. Do start doing visits.
• 48:56
  Most do clothes on do visits. We do I do you come by uniform?
• 49:01
  You try it on. I like to be different.
• 49:02
  I told you begin to show and to be different is people don't
• 49:05
  like it and so I got the Twitter and I was like, I do some
• 49:08
  different what it was different and built the fort this happen
• 49:10
  because it's Sports Guy's of court.
• 49:12
  And I'm like, we're building a program here and it's a good
• 49:15
  hashtag. And I started posting Go to Fort
• 49:17
  before and he kept called on big-time have to Conventional
• 49:20
  because of couple weeks ago at the convention ever.
• 49:22
  As I do the first guy who the fuck that and that was actually
• 49:25
  kind of refreshing actually realize that hey, people
• 49:26
  actually noticing it and I got a high schools all the time, do
• 49:29
  the for it. If it's pretty, pretty amazing
• 49:32
  to see people, actually love it and actually run along with it.
• 49:35
  That's super interesting, right? I mean right actually, yeah, oh
• 49:39
  yeah, okay, don't go too far. I people at times like, hey I
• 49:43
  got this new product idea. I want to patent it and I care.
• 49:46
  Ho. Okay, you know how much it cost
• 49:48
  First of all. Yeah, exactly.
• 49:49
  Yeah. More power to you.
• 49:51
  So go ahead copyright that see what more power to you.
• 49:56
  How many followers do you have on Twitter about what?
• 49:59
  5000? Yeah, that's interesting.
• 50:01
  So in not that follower count. Yes.
• 50:04
  The be-all-end-all by any imagination and in the scheme of
• 50:07
  things 5,000. I'm about to say this and I have
• 50:09
  half of what you have, but 5,000 in this world's, not that many
• 50:12
  right? You know, it's not like we've
• 50:14
  got people, you have 10,000. Hundred thousand.
• 50:18
  Exactly Thirty forty fifty thousand something I'm always
• 50:21
  amazed at the coaches at 30 40, 50 thousands.
• 50:22
  I'm like wow, there's 50,000 people that care about you
• 50:25
  coach. That's awesome.
• 50:26
  I love. That is so cool.
• 50:27
  Great. But with a relatively, small
• 50:28
  amount of followers 5,000 in the grand, scheme of things that had
• 50:33
  to feel pretty good though, that people like it's catching on
• 50:36
  like the fire is going. It's going on, people said all
• 50:39
  the time to me and I'm just I'm shocked, even the big-time
• 50:42
  coaches come to me, are all fives.
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  What the fuck, man? I'm loving it by look what
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  you're doing, what you're doing. It's great to see that.
• 50:48
  Actually, this is my horse paying off some time.
• 50:50
  You know if you ever want to be the head coach University of
• 50:53
  Texas, you got to make sure people are putting build the
• 50:55
  fort with Philip rhetoric. Yeah.
• 50:57
  That's true. Like build a fort God.
• 50:59
  That's right. Philip Frederick the bill before
• 51:01
  guy. That's right.
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  You got a copy right there. Yeah.
• 51:07
  So it's been a brick is another model like brick.
• 51:11
  You got to build a fort bit of a break since.
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  So that's another one we don't Brick by Brick and so we just
• 51:16
  Holly, dude, be And be fresh beer, original the future kids,
• 51:20
  love that stuff. Like if you see us be about
• 51:22
  sleeves from athletes, I by I believe you if you look good you
• 51:25
  feel good. You're under a big believer in
• 51:27
  that if you look at my pictures from college, I have my glasses
• 51:29
  on. I have my sleeves, I was swagged
• 51:31
  out. So that's what I'm a big
• 51:33
  believer in that and so I believe the kids love that.
• 51:35
  And so that's what I use for social media in recruiting tools
• 51:38
  to what we're going to get to that because I want to talk
• 51:40
  about all of what you just said there, the sleeves and the whole
• 51:43
  thing will nights. We'll get there in a second but
• 51:45
  I'm gonna give you a free one. The copyrights, he said, Brick
• 51:48
  by Brick, you got to change that somehow to Rederick by rhetoric
• 51:50
  or break break break by red brick or something.
• 51:52
  You got to get this name right, I get the name of the right, I'm
• 51:57
  gonna try the next time next week somehow, you got to start
• 51:59
  forming it together man. Yeah.
• 52:01
  Like a Brick by Brick like gift or something like that but it's
• 52:04
  like your head. Like, you know, you're you're
• 52:06
  always with the yeah. And afford me, right?
• 52:19
  Okay, you talked about the sleeves and recruits with the
• 52:24
  uniforms and things like that. I love this topic, right?
• 52:27
  You know, you're on Twitter, you're active on Twitter.
• 52:29
  A lot to I'm rather impressed. And so you've seen these
• 52:33
  discussions we recently had Brian Kula from coolest Sports
• 52:37
  Performance. I think is the name of it out in
• 52:39
  Colorado. He's a big-time High School
• 52:41
  coach out there and we talked about recruiting out from the
• 52:44
  high school coaching perspective, right?
• 52:46
  Right? And I brought up this topic, so
• 52:48
  I'd love to hear your thoughts on it too.
• 52:50
  So there's there's kind of two camps to this trying on the
• 52:53
  uniform for recruits, right? There's the here's your side of
• 52:59
  it, you're like, hey, I want you to know, I won't put words in
• 53:01
  your mouth. Is your side of it?
• 53:02
  Who allows it? And let's find out why here in a
• 53:04
  second. Then there's the other side who
• 53:06
  says it's a privilege to, you know, wear my jersey so you
• 53:10
  don't get it unless you're on the team that kind of side,
• 53:12
  right? So why do you go to your side of
• 53:16
  Yeah, one of recruits come in, we let them try on the uniform,
• 53:19
  take the pictures, those kind of things.
• 53:21
  What's your reasoning? It makes them feel like they're
• 53:24
  part of a program, makes them feel like they're part of the
• 53:26
  team for just a couple seconds. Even if they don't sign with
• 53:29
  you, they feel a part of what Scott just for a little bit and
• 53:32
  it is for this for them. It's not for me it's for them to
• 53:34
  feel special. Is there a moment?
• 53:36
  They're recruiting is there a moment their time in history
• 53:39
  they deserved it because they earn their way to get to on a
• 53:41
  visit they're on their way for a scholarship offer they should
• 53:43
  desert. They deserve to have that
• 53:45
  intention for them for this a little bit.
• 53:46
  It and I'm big on the athlete. I'm not big on Mike me, it's not
• 53:50
  about me, it's about them at them today.
• 53:51
  It might seem cliche, but I'm really about to my athletes.
• 53:54
  That's why they love it here. That's what they come back every
• 53:56
  year to keep coming here every year because I'm about about
• 53:58
  them. And so, when we put the sleeves
• 54:01
  on a, put this jersey on uniform on, they feel good about
• 54:04
  themselves. And so that's not big on.
• 54:06
  Has it ever bit a kid in the butt?
• 54:09
  So on social media, they post their Fort Scott Jersey, and
• 54:12
  then they sign with Barton. In other part and people are
• 54:17
  like, oh, hey, look here, man. Did you ever hear about the the
• 54:21
  kid? This is a while ago now.
• 54:23
  And Alabama's the Alabama, Alabama Auburn, actually, it's
• 54:27
  true University, and then Alabama Auburn.
• 54:30
  But the kid, I think he grew up in Auburn fan.
• 54:33
  I could be getting this backwards.
• 54:35
  So he got a tattoo of the Auburn Tiger and he saw it, but then he
• 54:38
  signed with Alabama. That's crazy.
• 54:41
  I mean, if that's like it's one thing for the picture, I mean,
• 54:43
  those last forever to but the test like, dude, you got to be a
• 54:46
  purpose every day with an Auburn Tiger Tattoo, and I are gonna go
• 54:51
  out on a limb and say, he got hazed a little bit more than he
• 54:53
  should have every day with the kids.
• 54:57
  Trying out the uniform, not necessarily the kids, you have
• 54:59
  there, but it's in a broad sense.
• 55:01
  Have you ever heard of a kid who like a has a coach ever revoked
• 55:05
  and offer because they saw their recruit wearing somebody else's,
• 55:09
  you know, Of course, I'm not Tom once they see them in the first
• 55:13
  car uniform, they don't even criminal more.
• 55:14
  They make jokes like that, but I'm laughing, probably Furious
• 55:17
  or not, but they don't know they're lying.
• 55:19
  Come on Phillip rhetoric. I know you're still young and
• 55:22
  rookie coach here, who's got a lot of experience.
• 55:26
  Let me give you my experience coaching and recruiting the SEC.
• 55:29
  So I've done the blood battle. They are 100% lying to you.
• 55:34
  My friend. Come on, make me feel good.
• 55:35
  That makes me feel good. Yeah, you know they're lying to
• 55:37
  like work out. Well, they're not coming so you
• 55:39
  Mexico. Good and I do.
• 55:41
  But um, no, no coaches are erupted.
• 55:43
  I don't think so. I know one kid was a big-time
• 55:45
  recruit. Yeah.
• 55:46
  My uniform on and Instagram, then Simon Barton.
• 55:48
  So it was kind of funny. I was like, man this but it's
• 55:51
  okay tell them make sure they when they post that you signed
• 55:55
  with Barton, they use this picture right here.
• 55:59
  Okay. You know it, but it's fine.
• 56:01
  It's part recruiting. There's no hard feelings either
• 56:04
  way it goes. That's good.
• 56:05
  That's good. What's the this was not in my
• 56:08
  area of coaching and so I No it or get it.
• 56:11
  I guess this is my old man. Speak here.
• 56:15
  What's up with the sleeve? So I know you do the sleeves and
• 56:18
  they're wildly popular. A lot of other extension saying
• 56:20
  a lot, I still think this is the minority, I think maybe less
• 56:23
  than 10 to 15 percent of programs.
• 56:24
  Actually, still still actually use them today, but what's up
• 56:27
  with the sleeves? Is it just a fashion thing?
• 56:29
  Or is there something to it? So, when I did in college, I
• 56:33
  think I started. I like to think I started day,
• 56:34
  that sure that trained. By the way, I'm not even
• 56:36
  College. Um, I did it because I had calf
• 56:38
  cramps a lot, so my My body felt was too low and always, he
• 56:41
  caught crabs. Even if I was harder than that.
• 56:43
  So I went my first style and for my cramps in my calf, but I love
• 56:48
  the way you look, I believe that, like I said, you look
• 56:50
  good, you feel good, you run good and I needed my sleeves.
• 56:52
  I need my glasses on as well. And so whatever, my athletes
• 56:56
  want, they'll probably get if they earn it.
• 56:58
  So I ordered the sleeves, but you don't get them unless you
• 57:01
  qualify for Nationals. Oh, is that right?
• 57:04
  You're not gonna give it to everybody.
• 57:05
  We start the work first up. We have a standard here.
• 57:07
  You got to call Finn, a actually get to sleep.
• 57:09
  Oh that's cool. Now I like that a little bit of
• 57:12
  a distinction little bit. You know the goal setting.
• 57:15
  Yeah everybody doesn't get to sleep.
• 57:16
  No sir you got the actually work for?
• 57:18
  Darn it. Where did that come from?
• 57:20
  And what I mean by that is that's not necessarily a natural
• 57:24
  thing to think about because we're talking about a fashion
• 57:26
  piece we're not talking about a piece that makes you run faster.
• 57:29
  Yeah. Beyond the sense of look good.
• 57:31
  Feel good. So maybe you run bitter, it's a
• 57:33
  choice. I say good or but you had but
• 57:37
  that mentality of giving kids a goal and you know a stretch goal
• 57:41
  and a reward for that goal. Where did that?
• 57:44
  Cuz that from a coach you had or where did that come from?
• 57:49
  Most of my coaches had goals and we had this get, but I like to
• 57:53
  have something too. Sensitive and have them get
• 57:55
  something. Learn something, just like a
• 57:57
  practice here, like they have a good practice, I'll tell him.
• 57:59
  You have your practice. I might even get my ice cream
• 58:01
  Monday for practices that a great practical, great week of
• 58:03
  practice. So sometimes you got to get
• 58:05
  athlete's something because it gets boring.
• 58:06
  I mean, yes, we're in the circles every day.
• 58:09
  Dying every single day, you gotta mix it up a little bit
• 58:11
  having excited, and so that's what I do.
• 58:13
  I'm a little different, I'm excited to buy Sky and so I do
• 58:15
  stuff with your phone in your, in Fort Scott Kansas.
• 58:17
  So sometimes it's ice cream sometimes.
• 58:19
  Sometimes it's hot chocolate because it's for real.
• 58:23
  Yeah. How far is Fort, Scott from
• 58:25
  Chanute? I can't remember.
• 58:26
  It was about 45 minutes, I guess where I thought it was the Allen
• 58:29
  County coffee, or a little cubby holes all farther, but it was.
• 58:32
  All right there. Yeah, we did.
• 58:33
  I don't think for it. Scott.
• 58:35
  I don't think Fort Scott had a program when I was there.
• 58:37
  Probably didn't, I don't? Yeah, maybe they are.
• 58:39
  The distance program and I didn't pay attention to that.
• 58:41
  So exactly. Where was I going to go?
• 58:46
  I had a really good, follow-up question there and as you
• 58:50
  mentioned ice cream and hot chocolate and I completely got
• 58:53
  off track there. So talk to me about what are you
• 58:58
  coaching? You were a 24 kind of background
• 59:02
  kind of sounded like you didn't say this but kind of sound like
• 59:04
  you wanted to run the hundred cause you're like coach didn't
• 59:06
  let me run the hundred so you kind of want to run that cause
• 59:08
  you were too tall. I love that.
• 59:09
  Hope coach has changed his philosophy here in 2022.
• 59:13
  But what are you? What are you focusing on
• 59:15
  coaching? So I actually ran 100 in
• 59:18
  college. So when I got to college, I
• 59:19
  actually ran the hundred some-odd worth of every 100.
• 59:21
  Guess what we're in 10:30 as well.
• 59:24
  See you ran 717. That was going to say 11:32, you
• 59:28
  ain't 10:3. Huh.
• 59:31
  Where did where did you run? Did you run that at TCU?
• 59:34
  Because I'm very familiar with the five and six meter when
• 59:37
  that's where when I was in Mississippi.
• 59:39
  State. We those are first meet.
• 59:40
  We always go to TCU and run really fast, but never win legal
• 59:43
  now. It was actually a Southwestern
• 59:45
  campus so it's written that. It was 40 degree weather.
• 59:49
  So you were more like 10 mile per hour winds?
• 59:51
  I don't. Yeah, I know what that is.
• 59:58
  It was that bad. May there be many people that
• 1:00:10
  run Subterranean fuel run, some 10:30 so to be in the TNT that's
• 1:00:13
  legit man. That's awesome, not too bad.
• 1:00:16
  You stop you. Stop running that quarter.
• 1:00:17
  Never you don't know. I never ran it.
• 1:00:20
  I just never as a Mans race. I'm not there yet every quarter
• 1:00:28
  mile right now is like, that's right?
• 1:00:30
  That's the smartest thing he's ever said.
• 1:00:33
  That's a little bit. How he's on the track, the best
• 1:00:35
  athletes on the track. Every time you step on them,
• 1:00:37
  they're great. They're Tough man.
• 1:00:39
  So what are you focusing on coaching yourself a here at Fort
• 1:00:42
  Scott? Are you staying on the Sprint's
• 1:00:44
  or you have to maybe wine a little bit.
• 1:00:46
  When I first got here, I coach everything except I kept
• 1:00:50
  thinking I first got here, I did a two horse prints and photos in
• 1:00:55
  long jump. Now I have it closed coaching
• 1:00:56
  have a longtime coach and so a now it is focus on hurdles and
• 1:01:00
  Sprints in a little multi. They were not know what, what's
• 1:01:04
  Jeff it doing for you Izzie? He just robbed the bus all the
• 1:01:07
  time as he does, I'll prep him for know.
• 1:01:10
  He does a big distance, this is cross country so he does based
• 1:01:13
  on earth. Have you six my own down in?
• 1:01:15
  So Cool. So what are you do, you know,
• 1:01:18
  you were a sprinter, a straight Sprinter, you know, streets are
• 1:01:22
  meeting you 100 and, you know, you didn't devil out into the
• 1:01:25
  aid or anything, you didn't really do the quarter, but
• 1:01:27
  you're a sprinter by trade getting coached by several
• 1:01:31
  different people right Sheen who I love these.
• 1:01:33
  Great robes. Awesome.
• 1:01:35
  You know, go to Texas, Southern all of these guys and gals, that
• 1:01:37
  coached you had different. Even to the post-collegiate
• 1:01:39
  side, have different philosophies, you some
• 1:01:43
  bobsledding, which I assume there's some different strength
• 1:01:46
  and conditioning. In thought processes they are
• 1:01:49
  what are you doing? So you take all that.
• 1:01:51
  That's the we originally coach like we were coach so you're
• 1:01:54
  kind of taking that all those information pieces and your
• 1:01:57
  coaching that. But what are you doing for
• 1:01:59
  coaching for your professional development?
• 1:02:01
  In regards to the hurdle. Something you've never done the
• 1:02:03
  long jump and triple jump things you've never done.
• 1:02:06
  How are you? How are you getting yourself
• 1:02:08
  better? In a professional development
• 1:02:10
  side. I do a lot of calling other
• 1:02:13
  coaches that been done it before I call closed apps.
• 1:02:16
  Sometimes I talk to him about hurdles, I've talked to a lot of
• 1:02:19
  people about it. I'm a nerd and I know a lot of
• 1:02:23
  stuff, I'm not going to Mom about know a lot of stuff but I
• 1:02:25
  don't know everything. And as a coach, I don't think
• 1:02:28
  you have an ego as a coach you have to worry about the athlete
• 1:02:31
  first and if you have ego you don't want to change your ways
• 1:02:33
  so that her staff at the end of the day.
• 1:02:35
  And I'm so if I don't know something, I ask if they need
• 1:02:37
  help, they think my train is doing wrong.
• 1:02:39
  I ask what you think. I give me today and I actually
• 1:02:41
  asked them what they need and and so whatever they need help
• 1:02:45
  on. I'll figure it out and get Done.
• 1:02:47
  But I'm actually hose. That's my favorite event, the
• 1:02:48
  coach now. So it's gonna be honest with you
• 1:02:50
  for hurdles when tens 100. So that's my favorite events,
• 1:02:53
  the coach. And I fell in love with the
• 1:02:55
  coaching, the hurdles that it's the best event out there.
• 1:02:58
  Hurdles all the way I love them all.
• 1:02:59
  But hurdles, my very first ever email address was heard of Love
• 1:03:03
  at Hotmail. Well, yeah, that's I was very
• 1:03:06
  proud and I got that. Yeah, way back in the day.
• 1:03:09
  So you mentioned ego and egos an interesting thing, right?
• 1:03:13
  Because initially, when people hear ego, it's automatically in
• 1:03:16
  the - right because he goes bad but egos not bad right ego?
• 1:03:19
  No, never never met. Well, not never, you know,
• 1:03:24
  there's people who have bad ego, right?
• 1:03:25
  But, but egos tied to self-worth and self-esteem and motivation.
• 1:03:30
  Like do I continue to try to get better or not?
• 1:03:32
  Or do I sit now. Bad ego.
• 1:03:33
  Is our, do I sit on my Laurels? I know everything you can tell
• 1:03:36
  me anything. That's where bad exactly that
• 1:03:39
  you mentioned growing up as an athlete about your ego.
• 1:03:42
  He said it several times and not a bad way and I do believe we've
• 1:03:46
  talked about If you want to hear a little bit more in-depth
• 1:03:49
  conversation, go listen to the camera and bab episode of The
• 1:03:52
  Guild connections podcast, where we talked about processing
• 1:03:56
  information as an athlete. It has to be selfish because you
• 1:03:59
  have to turn it into a fast Sprint, time or whatever event
• 1:04:02
  versus as a coach. You now process, the same
• 1:04:05
  information, a coach can be telling you a mentor, coach can
• 1:04:07
  be telling you the same things you heard as an athlete.
• 1:04:09
  But now as a coach you're processing that and how do I
• 1:04:13
  flow that out of me to athletes? So it's a different type of ego.
• 1:04:16
  I'm still trying to learn and become better, but it's in a
• 1:04:19
  different capacity selfishly as an athlete.
• 1:04:21
  And again, I don't mean that in a bad way you have to be if
• 1:04:23
  you're going to be a great athlete, You're Gonna Be An
• 1:04:25
  Athlete. I think you have to be selfish
• 1:04:26
  in that. Respect versus a coach self
• 1:04:29
  less. I have to take the information
• 1:04:31
  to learn in transfer to an athlete.
• 1:04:33
  How do you, you know, you're still at a young age?
• 1:04:35
  You're not that far removed from being the athletes whether it's
• 1:04:38
  bobsledding or professional running Collegiate running 1018
• 1:04:43
  etcetera, you're not that far removed.
• 1:04:46
  How are You processing switching.
• 1:04:48
  The ego from selfish meeting. I'm at 10:18, well, I got to do
• 1:04:52
  everything I can. I mean, I got to block out a lot
• 1:04:54
  of stuff to run some 10 if I'm ever gonna make a meal out of
• 1:04:57
  this thing again, like career, right versus now, you're a
• 1:05:00
  coach. Now, you're trying to how do I
• 1:05:01
  take kids to 10, 18 and faster but process it through me.
• 1:05:05
  How are you? That's, those are two different
• 1:05:06
  stages of ego. How are you processing that at
• 1:05:09
  such a young age and such a early part of your career?
• 1:05:13
  At first it was difficult on us. Don't to be an athlete
• 1:05:15
  mentality. So I can totally About all the
• 1:05:17
  time. I have two egos.
• 1:05:18
  So my regular my fill of rhetoric is me.
• 1:05:21
  I'm a Leo, so I'm a laid-back guy, I'm just laid back chill.
• 1:05:24
  But my personality on the track is told if I turn the switch on
• 1:05:27
  and that's where King my nickname comes in it.
• 1:05:29
  The King guy. I'm egotistic.
• 1:05:31
  I'm I'm trying to intimidate you before I run.
• 1:05:33
  I'm trying to do all these things to be true and so I might
• 1:05:36
  be out there a little bit when it comes to track.
• 1:05:38
  So put on a truck culture-wise I'm the same track guy but I'm
• 1:05:42
  just tone it down a little bit. I'm still passionate about it.
• 1:05:45
  I'm still Hyung, go about it. But um, I actually listened my
• 1:05:49
  athletes more as a coach and I don't have an ego as a coach
• 1:05:51
  because, um, it's about the athlete if I've stuck in my ways
• 1:05:54
  that he never gets better and I never get better.
• 1:05:56
  And I'm stuck in my way and so, if I don't know, it's like I
• 1:06:00
  said, if I don't know if I think my athlete needs more stuff,
• 1:06:02
  I'll ask. And so it just if you have to
• 1:06:05
  turn it down a little bit at the athlete after athlete.
• 1:06:07
  Like I said, you just go hundred percent into it as a coach, you
• 1:06:10
  have to listen to people, listen, more and stop trying to
• 1:06:12
  do you the whole time. That's interesting.
• 1:06:15
  You seem to do Do you seem to be very affable and have a lot of
• 1:06:19
  friends, like when I see you around, I see responses to your
• 1:06:22
  Twitter and things like that. There's also an abundance of
• 1:06:25
  positive. Not just crickets feel.
• 1:06:27
  No one's like, replying it all to your stuff.
• 1:06:29
  Right? And things like that.
• 1:06:30
  So you seem very affable have you, but you, but you, you're
• 1:06:33
  very strong-willed. You mentioned being a Leo, which
• 1:06:36
  I'm a Leo as well. We have a lot right now man.
• 1:06:39
  Yeah, this is really weird actually.
• 1:06:44
  But but you so you have this Personality, the strong
• 1:06:48
  personalities, outgoing personality, but you seem to be
• 1:06:51
  pretty affable in this sense of Heaven, friends, and stuff like
• 1:06:53
  that, due to coaches. Have you ever noticed?
• 1:06:56
  And sometimes it's hard, right, because self-awareness that you
• 1:06:58
  have you ever noticed coaches kind of shine away from you?
• 1:07:01
  Because they're like, yeah, I don't want to talk to this guy.
• 1:07:04
  He's the king, you know, he's got this ego.
• 1:07:06
  Have you ever noticed that I would trust me it since I was
• 1:07:10
  running track in college? It's always been like that.
• 1:07:12
  They assumed it was because the way I act on track that I'm a
• 1:07:15
  bad guy or Or obnoxious, or is the egotistic guy?
• 1:07:19
  But if you actually talk to me, like most college, talk to me,
• 1:07:21
  they realize that okay, Phillip, you're just a length of
• 1:07:23
  laid-back guy. You um have fun you laughs,
• 1:07:25
  you're not really like that. Like you are and it's crazy.
• 1:07:28
  It happens all the time by contracted like you mean your
• 1:07:30
  you mean person by blah, blah, because my face, I have the ego
• 1:07:34
  I have when I'm on the track, then off the track on the whole
• 1:07:36
  different person. Like I said, I bought time and
• 1:07:38
  so most coaches, like, I don't know about this guy, but they
• 1:07:40
  never talked to me before. So if you actually talk to me
• 1:07:43
  actually get to know me, you'll actually be on like he's really
• 1:07:46
  cool. We'll have a drink with him,
• 1:07:47
  he's a good guy. So what funny story some attract
• 1:07:51
  this past year and a Eugene Olympics.
• 1:07:54
  Tried Barn, tricorn fall. You came out to me.
• 1:07:56
  He texts me say, I want to meet you today.
• 1:07:57
  Phillip I said, okay, that's fine.
• 1:07:59
  Each monster means like, do you not like I thought you were?
• 1:08:01
  I thought you're gonna punch me. Why did you want to meet you?
• 1:08:05
  Then he's like, I want to get punched day.
• 1:08:08
  I'm gonna reach out to this guy. Yeah.
• 1:08:10
  He's like, you're not like, I thought you were, you see me on
• 1:08:16
  the track? I'm not really that guy.
• 1:08:21
  I'm passionate I think my passion and anger or aggression,
• 1:08:25
  which is not, I'm passionate about what I do.
• 1:08:27
  All right, take this hundred percent serious, I want to be
• 1:08:29
  great. I want to ask is be great if
• 1:08:30
  they are doing wife. I try to be the best at.
• 1:08:32
  I don't care if I'm the janitor. I'm trying the best dancer in
• 1:08:35
  the world. So I'm trying to the best coach
• 1:08:36
  in the world. I'm totally best recruiting the
• 1:08:37
  world. I'm covering that for scatter
• 1:08:39
  Texas. I want to be the best in the
• 1:08:41
  world, what I do. So I take it to, it's fun, you
• 1:08:43
  know, my past about it's funny because Carl, I would describe
• 1:08:46
  the Exact opposite of you. He looks like he's laughing all
• 1:08:49
  the time and he is laughing all the time.
• 1:08:51
  Yeah, I mean that the best pleased with the most affable
• 1:08:54
  guy in the whole world. Welcome to death.
• 1:08:56
  Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.
• 1:08:58
  So you mentioned recruiting what I love about Juco coaches and
• 1:09:02
  athletes is it's a very unique situation, right?
• 1:09:08
  I don't see most of the time but a lot of the time our athletes
• 1:09:11
  are coming to Juco because of like we mentioned with your
• 1:09:15
  example, right mess. Around in high school, not
• 1:09:17
  realizing. Wow, I've actually got to do
• 1:09:19
  some academics as well as run fast things like that.
• 1:09:21
  So it's kind of Second Chance you if you will.
• 1:09:23
  Right, that's the whole Netflix show which Netflix totally
• 1:09:26
  should do. Last chance you at Fort?
• 1:09:29
  Scott will be there. So nothing's going to happen.
• 1:09:43
  So as a Juco coach, you're not only recruiting in a vast
• 1:09:49
  variety, right? So you're looking for non
• 1:09:50
  qualifiers, maybe you're looking for qualifiers at just need
• 1:09:53
  another year or two of, you know, Collegiate coaching to go
• 1:09:57
  to a quote-unquote bigger school or what.
• 1:09:59
  Not. But at the same time you're also
• 1:10:02
  that High School coach. Meaning you're also trying to
• 1:10:04
  get your sophomores recruited. All right?
• 1:10:07
  You want to get move them onto a four-year, to receive a degree
• 1:10:10
  like you did, right? Talk to me about, About how are
• 1:10:13
  you? And you went through it as an
• 1:10:14
  athlete. How are you doing that as a
• 1:10:17
  coach? What are the struggles?
• 1:10:19
  That happen there, actually? When I fear things that do it
• 1:10:22
  actually give my kids in and out, it's wonderful.
• 1:10:24
  Things do actually see him come in and I told him I recruited
• 1:10:27
  them. Get you D1 school, I'm get you
• 1:10:29
  this cool and actually see him coming for coming to light now,
• 1:10:31
  it's actually amazing. Is it feels great this way, not
• 1:10:35
  that difficult for me, it's actually fun.
• 1:10:36
  I said it's fine. The hot thing I'll say about
• 1:10:38
  high school, we could high school athletes.
• 1:10:40
  It's um, sometimes the coaches or the Jones believed ruko is
• 1:10:44
  beneath them, and that's the major thing that the kids are
• 1:10:47
  fine. They want to come.
• 1:10:48
  They love it here when I have kids, I'm visits that go D1
• 1:10:51
  schools. They want to actually come in.
• 1:10:52
  I'm not. Well, I'm on their last three
• 1:10:53
  choices and versus you see, Texas, Fort Scott and Florida
• 1:10:57
  State sometimes, and it's crazy to see that that we're even up
• 1:10:59
  in the conversation, I have D1 coaches.
• 1:11:01
  The two coaches call me all the time and say, Phillip, you're
• 1:11:03
  really everywhere. Everybody told me they were
• 1:11:05
  gonna stop before Scott and what are you doing different?
• 1:11:07
  It's just the parents and some other coaches understand that I
• 1:11:10
  don't recruit just for grades. So you might be a deal on
• 1:11:13
  qualifier and I'm gonna recruit you.
• 1:11:15
  Like I said, I think outside the box if you look at our roster
• 1:11:17
  right now about 85% of us or do you want to eligible applicants
• 1:11:20
  when I recruited him? Wait, hold on for real.
• 1:11:22
  Yes, I don't recruit like the real issue in college.
• 1:11:24
  Wait, they assume that during college is for?
• 1:11:27
  I changed the whole model. Oh yeah.
• 1:11:29
  Because the so that was one of the parts that I struggled a
• 1:11:32
  little bit when I was coaching, was, I felt a little bit like a
• 1:11:36
  piranha, maybe where I'd ask to get grades.
• 1:11:39
  And as soon as I saw, they were qualifiers like, yeah, see you
• 1:11:42
  later. And I'm happy that they were
• 1:11:43
  qualifiers. It was like, you're not coming
• 1:11:45
  like I still remember. I was trying to recruit Tiffany
• 1:11:48
  Ross from Miami, you know, 13 to or something out of high school
• 1:11:53
  and I was like, yeah, it's like we're just a great alternative
• 1:11:55
  if she doesn't have the grades and she's like well she's got
• 1:11:58
  good grades and Michael some people think they got good
• 1:11:59
  grades and they really don't like do you mind you know CM
• 1:12:02
  transcripts and the counselor similar transcripts and she was
• 1:12:05
  so smart three point eight or so I don't even ever but it was
• 1:12:09
  like there was no question she was going to qualify as you
• 1:12:11
  know, signing with South Linna, many, many, many time
• 1:12:13
  All-American. Awesome person, Etc.
• 1:12:16
  But it, literally, I remember getting that I still nervous to
• 1:12:18
  the day. A fax machine.
• 1:12:20
  You don't know what a fax is. Philip, the grades came across
• 1:12:23
  on the fax machine. I look at her transcripts and I
• 1:12:25
  was like, well, not recruiting her anymore.
• 1:12:28
  Yeah. But you did, you did you say 85%
• 1:12:31
  of your team, or your one qualifiers?
• 1:12:35
  So why it don't take this the wrong way, you know, we're not
• 1:12:39
  gonna trust me. Great Scott versus Texas.
• 1:12:41
  Why is it It signing going to Fort Scott, I owe the Kansas.
• 1:12:45
  That's the same as Chanute Kansas.
• 1:12:47
  I know exactly where you're at. Come on now, versus going to
• 1:12:52
  whatever school doesn't matter, Northwestern State UC Davis, you
• 1:12:55
  know, I guarantee you no one's Turned Down, Troy University to
• 1:12:58
  go to Fort Scott because Troy University is heaven on Earth,
• 1:13:01
  but but what, so why 85%. So I like I said, I got my first
• 1:13:06
  have a job. I do something different from
• 1:13:08
  everybody else, like I can't compete with.
• 1:13:09
  Like I said, Barton's in the South Plains I can't I can't get
• 1:13:12
  through. You with them with their
• 1:13:13
  International kids, we don't get any here so I can't compete with
• 1:13:15
  him that way. So how can I be competitive?
• 1:13:18
  And you know, and so I started. I was like, why do I have to go
• 1:13:21
  out to kids with bad grades? Why do I have to do that?
• 1:13:23
  Why is it rule that I have to? It's not.
• 1:13:26
  And um, so my motto is Go for kids that are men.
• 1:13:30
  Major kids that want to go big time, be terrified and that's my
• 1:13:35
  motto, don't go in there. Like I said, don't go into it,
• 1:13:37
  chasing your dream school. You can come the fourth guy for
• 1:13:39
  no money whatsoever. Are your pocket, didn't leave?
• 1:13:42
  But no debt and go to your dream school and two years when I
• 1:13:44
  develop you into a better athlete, when you listen and do
• 1:13:46
  what you got to do, become a better athlete.
• 1:13:49
  I mean, and so that's what that's what that sounds good.
• 1:13:52
  It sounds good, but, but it's working, it's working.
• 1:13:56
  I lose a couple a little couple but it's working.
• 1:14:00
  Do you actively not recruit non qualifiers?
• 1:14:03
  Or is that just part of your recruiting?
• 1:14:05
  Know, I still could not call for us.
• 1:14:07
  Like I said, I still give you a chance.
• 1:14:09
  No problem with that at all. But I would recruit both his
• 1:14:12
  hand in hand. It, Go Pen in Hand, that's I may
• 1:14:15
  be out of touch in thinking that you might be the quote, unquote,
• 1:14:19
  only one doing this and maybe like, maybe nobody are advances
• 1:14:21
  from South Plains. Going to call me up.
• 1:14:22
  Like a man, we doing this stuff too but that seems from my
• 1:14:26
  experience of how I did it in Juco, that seems I love that.
• 1:14:30
  You said you do things differently, right?
• 1:14:32
  Like, I kind of have this motto if your competitors doing it, do
• 1:14:35
  the opposite. I'm going to want to be like
• 1:14:37
  everybody else. So I love that kind of came in
• 1:14:39
  analyzed it and we're like, all right.
• 1:14:41
  Well, this seems like I could go the same route, everybody else's
• 1:14:44
  or, but maybe I could try something different.
• 1:14:47
  Yeah. So like at 12 old girl trouble
• 1:14:50
  girl in Texas, right? She's not getting the power of
• 1:14:52
  file called upright, but in Juco, she 12.
• 1:14:55
  Oh, that's pretty decent. And I can develop her into 11
• 1:14:58
  second girl right in She has a four-point-oh GPA while but I'm
• 1:15:01
  not offer her a scholarship. You said, I'm saying that.
• 1:15:04
  Is it that kid getting offers from traffic?
• 1:15:07
  Great D2, schools, Ashland Minnesota, state, decent, Davis.
• 1:15:12
  I think maybe I might've just defended them.
• 1:15:13
  I'm not sure. But what's Texas A&M?
• 1:15:17
  Yeah. So, but still, but, but you're
• 1:15:20
  trying to find those kids that have the quote unquote, Big
• 1:15:22
  Dreams of going power 5. So after you can Tas that can go
• 1:15:25
  power 5 or bigger universities and be honest with you, I think
• 1:15:29
  The, I think a mystery coordination, if I was at Oregon
• 1:15:32
  deposit, Austin I was in LSU, those kind of places, I can get
• 1:15:36
  all the athletes, the number one after the America.
• 1:15:37
  That's what I think. I guess he's going to Fort
• 1:15:39
  Scott, Kansas. I can get them to come into
• 1:15:40
  those schools. And so my again I got copies as
• 1:15:43
  a coach, that's gotta shoot your shot at those athletes.
• 1:15:45
  You can't just say, oh, because they're got your grades.
• 1:15:47
  I'm not gonna try. I tried and I got and I'm like,
• 1:15:50
  oh man, Works keep going. And so you actually have the
• 1:15:53
  confidence a coach as a recruiter believe in your
• 1:15:55
  product leaving the standards that we have here from day one
• 1:15:58
  and it's working. Winning like the last last year,
• 1:16:01
  our team winning team, you have four girls, high school event
• 1:16:03
  1244, right? In high school, it took second
• 1:16:06
  Nationals in 401 15 min 45 3, right?
• 1:16:10
  That'll tip number 2 and D 2. That would take s and D to talk
• 1:16:13
  16 a nation and D1. Those four girls are around 11
• 1:16:17
  seconds. Last year.
• 1:16:18
  They all were 12 for well for us legit or like the they actually
• 1:16:23
  11 9 P RS but you can show it on track 11 right ter film.
• 1:16:29
  S last year. So if you did, I'm big on
• 1:16:31
  development. And so if I can develop you into
• 1:16:33
  athlete, I watched you run. I'll see what I can do to you
• 1:16:36
  off your scholarship and so I developed into four girls 11
• 1:16:41
  seconds now and they all got be one offers right now.
• 1:16:43
  Sure. No ticket a Nationals to South
• 1:16:45
  Plains for freshman 12 4 seconds and now they're 11 seconds.
• 1:16:49
  Do all four return before we turn?
• 1:16:51
  Yes certainly actually has two more freshmen.
• 1:16:53
  They actually get better than them High School PRS so we're
• 1:16:56
  all right, man. Look out.
• 1:17:00
  Build the fort Brick, by Brick motto, and kid at a time.
• 1:17:04
  One kid at a time, Philip man. That's awesome.
• 1:17:08
  I love that attitude. I love, I love your attitude of
• 1:17:12
  the best, recruiter in the nation.
• 1:17:14
  I'm a really good coach and I love that you seem to have this
• 1:17:18
  with that this. Okay, I need to continue to get
• 1:17:21
  better at my craft, like it's not just like, I'm know the best
• 1:17:24
  and I think. Yeah, I love that answer.
• 1:17:27
  That's going to be really Saying to, you know, we got you here on
• 1:17:30
  the podcast. So early in your coaching,
• 1:17:32
  career is gonna be really interesting to see kind of 5 10,
• 1:17:36
  15 years from now, you know, how it's going and where you're
• 1:17:40
  doing. But I have a feeling it's going
• 1:17:42
  to go pretty well, I just have this feeling, man.
• 1:17:46
  I said Thank you, right? Yeah, I hope you're building the
• 1:17:51
  fort Brick by Brick somewhere. Who know, you know what?
• 1:17:54
  I have no doubts. You going to be a Texas 12.
• 1:17:56
  I know that your dream school. So let's put the name.
• 1:17:59
  That's right. I will be in Austin when I look
• 1:18:06
  forward to that. Right there.
• 1:18:06
  That's going to be my favorite part right there man.
• 1:18:10
  I'm so thankful you join us today.
• 1:18:12
  It's always interesting to learn people's different careers and
• 1:18:16
  Journeys in this career, and I love that, you know, you're
• 1:18:18
  really a rookie in this career. You're still very, very young in
• 1:18:21
  this career. I'm so thankful your openness
• 1:18:24
  and authenticity today. If talking about, you know,
• 1:18:26
  screwing up in high school and Grades that you could have and
• 1:18:30
  should have maybe gotten, right, but I love that.
• 1:18:32
  It's LED you to the path through junior colleges as an athlete
• 1:18:36
  all the way out to Seattle. I mean that's just amazing the
• 1:18:39
  bobsled. Anything, it's so cool man.
• 1:18:42
  I'm just so thankful for your being here and being open, and
• 1:18:44
  honest and humble with us today. Thank you for having me.
• 1:18:48
  It's been a great show. Well, I hope that I have been
• 1:18:51
  one small part. A Gil has been one small part of
• 1:18:54
  building the fort right here, baby.
• 1:18:56
  Salt is one little brick right here.
• 1:18:58
  I'm going on record Boys, which remember he said he broke all
• 1:19:02
  the Neosho. He broke all my records that I
• 1:19:04
  coached out. There course, right.
• 1:19:06
  I felt bad. Thank you so much for being here
• 1:19:08
  today, man. I really do.
• 1:19:09
  Appreciate you. Thank you for having me.
• 1:19:19
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• 1:19:22
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• 1:19:24
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• 1:19:28
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