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08/29/2024 Ask the Lawyer with Tom Peyton · WCHS Network Podcasts

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  Speaker 3: the show. A lot to react to from yesterday, a
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  Speaker 3: lot of breaking news overnight in this morning. Go ahead
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  Speaker 3: to say out there. We're going to go right to
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  Speaker 3: a thing, Dale Cooper sitting in with me in the
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  Speaker 3: pal Mars Studios. Now you we're on the opposite ends
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  Speaker 3: of the parenting spectrum here, Coop, you're at the bottom
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  Speaker 3: end of the thing. You have a young child, My
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  Speaker 3: kids are mostly grown. Have you had the cell phone?
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  Speaker 3: What age is appropriate for our cell phone conversation?
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  Speaker 4: Yet? I guess it depends on My kid's only six
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  Speaker 4: and uh being homeschooled. She does, have you got them exactly?
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  Speaker 4: She does have a tablet or a device that we
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  Speaker 4: use for like our schooling and stuff, which also is
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  Speaker 4: an entertainment device and stuff like that, so she does
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  Speaker 4: have one, but it's not a quote unquote phone. She
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  Speaker 4: doesn't have like uh, texting abilities or unless it's like
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  Speaker 4: online controlled through like a messenger or something where she
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  Speaker 4: could get a parent, but it's not. It's like a
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  Speaker 4: closed garden that she uses that that we allow her
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  Speaker 4: permission to use a couple of her games, and then
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  Speaker 4: all of her learning software that she can use anytime
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  Speaker 4: that she wants to. So with us, it was a
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  Speaker 4: little bit different. I can and I can definitely see
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  Speaker 4: where it's going to be a problem in the future,
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  Speaker 4: but I mean that's that's the way we have to
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  Speaker 4: do our teaching right now with homeschooling. So it's a
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  Speaker 4: fine line to walk as far as that goes.
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  Speaker 3: Well, brace yourself, Bridget, because that digital dunkirk is coming
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  Speaker 3: for you and your household. Let's talk about this though,
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  Speaker 3: because three we're getting in it. We've gotten through the niceties,
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  Speaker 3: we've gotten to the laptops handed out, we've got the
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  Speaker 3: first couple of days of school out of the way.
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  Speaker 3: Three counties in West Virginia have already done restrictions on
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  Speaker 3: cell phones. But this is a nationwide debate. I'm sure
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  Speaker 3: you've seen it on social media. It also goes to
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  Speaker 3: the larger debates that everybody's been having in West Virginia
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  Speaker 3: and nationally on things like parental rights, school choice. This
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  Speaker 3: stuff all goes together. So we reached out to a
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  Speaker 3: friend of our, Gary and Frankel, who's been writing about
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  Speaker 3: this nationally. I send him what West Virginia's doing We're
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  Speaker 3: curious to. He's joining us on the phone. He's a
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  Speaker 3: young voices contributor, really good writer, good guy Frank Howard.
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  Speaker 3: See I called you, Frank and it's Gary. It's all
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  Speaker 3: this Chicano texts and stuff with you. I just can't
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  Speaker 3: do your name, my friend, How are you this morning?
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  Speaker 3: Not bad?
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  Speaker 5: How about yourself?
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  Speaker 3: If I see? I was telling him, here's what happens
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  Speaker 3: a little inside baseball to radio. Your name is Gary
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  Speaker 3: and Frankel. Your Twitter handle is Gary and Franklin. When
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  Speaker 3: I look at it, my little Somersville mind tries to
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  Speaker 3: say them both at the same time, and really bad
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  Speaker 3: stuff happened. So I apologize, my friend, but you give
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  Speaker 3: good information house things.
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  Speaker 5: With you not too bad?
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  Speaker 6: Not too bad.
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  Speaker 3: I sent you this. What is what's going on in
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  Speaker 3: West Virginia with the cell phone bands? Matching what's going
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  Speaker 3: on nationally, because this is one of those things, and
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  Speaker 3: I know because I've talked to you. You just kind
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  Speaker 3: of wrote a piece about this a couple of months ago,
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  Speaker 3: and this thing has just blown up since, especially with
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  Speaker 3: the start of the new school year.
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  Speaker 5: Absolutely, and it's one of those situations where nobody wanted
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  Speaker 5: to be the first person to implement a particular policy
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  Speaker 5: because they were worried about backlash or how people would react,
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  Speaker 5: what it would do. But it's been something that's been
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  Speaker 5: on everybody in education's minds for a couple of years now,
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  Speaker 5: and I've forget who was first, But as soon as
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  Speaker 5: a couple of states, couple districts, a couple regions in
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  Speaker 5: the country started doing it, it started spreading nationwide like
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  Speaker 5: a firestorm, and for a very good reason.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, garyan Frankel joining us. Let's get to the nomenclature
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  Speaker 3: though here, because we've debated this, I lean a little
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  Speaker 3: bit more towards schools. You need to train kids for
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  Speaker 3: the world as it is, not as the world as
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  Speaker 3: you think it should be. So I'm a little more
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  Speaker 3: lax with things like, yes, of course you want to
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  Speaker 3: have some discipline about it, but I kind of veer
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  Speaker 3: away from bands and things like this because learning how
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  Speaker 3: to deal with this stuff is is life skilled these
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  Speaker 3: kids are going to need going forward. And my kids
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  Speaker 3: are older, they've all grown up in the digital age
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  Speaker 3: and the COVID distance learning age. Do we need to
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  Speaker 3: make a distinction with the nomenclature? Hear though, because and
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  Speaker 3: I've noticed in some of these policies, I think there's
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  Speaker 3: a difference between having the device restricted for in classroom
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  Speaker 3: teaching and banning it from the school building altogether. I
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  Speaker 3: think we do need to make a distinction there because
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  Speaker 3: that's a lot of the pushback because the parents are like, well,
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  Speaker 3: if there's an emergency, if there's something my kid's doing
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  Speaker 3: a split hybrid where they go to the community college
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  Speaker 3: on the bus half today, they're traveling halfway across town,
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  Speaker 3: They've got to have their cell phone. Is that a
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  Speaker 3: distinction we need to start with before we get into
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  Speaker 3: the nuts and bolts of this debate.
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  Speaker 5: I can definitely see where you're coming from on that one,
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  Speaker 5: and I think there is, at least at the district level,
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  Speaker 5: very good reason to tell parents exactly what the policy
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  Speaker 5: is and not just saying world banning phones because that
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  Speaker 5: is a very important way that schools can be transparent
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  Speaker 5: and build trust with their local communities. Because you're right,
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  Speaker 5: there are some districts where they say, you just can't
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  Speaker 5: have your phone out in class. You have to leave
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  Speaker 5: them in your locker, or you have to put them
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  Speaker 5: in a cubby hole in front of the classroom and
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  Speaker 5: you don't have.
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  Speaker 7: Access to it.
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  Speaker 5: Some districts are even getting these fancy magnetic pouches that
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  Speaker 5: lock the phone for essentially the entire school day, and
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  Speaker 5: students can carry that around with them, but they can't
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  Speaker 5: access the magnetic pouch because it's controlled from somewhere else.
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  Speaker 5: And then you have some other places that are saying no,
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  Speaker 5: you can't bring phones into the schools at all, and
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  Speaker 5: that just depends on the district, it depends on the
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  Speaker 5: state in some cases. But parents do have a right
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  Speaker 5: to know exactly what the policy is and how they
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  Speaker 5: can get in contact with their kids if need be.
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  Speaker 3: One of the things that's interesting, too, is because school
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  Speaker 3: debates go a lot like political debates and cultural debates.
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  Speaker 3: They break down real quick over things like class, race, demographics,
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  Speaker 3: social strata, that sort of thing, and then people kind
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  Speaker 3: of diverge. This debate doesn't seem to do that. This
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  Speaker 3: seems to be pretty black and white on how people
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  Speaker 3: feel about this, and it's got people really fired up.
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  Speaker 3: Whether it's in a huge school district like Houston, where
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  Speaker 3: you wrote your original piece, which is one of the
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  Speaker 3: I think top seven or eight districts in the entire
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  Speaker 3: country for amount of students, or if it's a smaller
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  Speaker 3: district in West Virginia. Why do you think this cuts
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  Speaker 3: through so many lines and get.
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  Speaker 5: Them is that our elected officials tend to be on
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  Speaker 5: the older side, and older individuals don't always like technology
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  Speaker 5: as much. But I think the real heart of the
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  Speaker 5: problem is that there is some really good research now
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  Speaker 5: that cuts that educational priorities that both sides of the
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  Speaker 5: education of the political and educational divide have that really
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  Speaker 5: speak to how destructive of phones and other technological devices
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  Speaker 5: have been in schools. I came across one study that
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  Speaker 5: found that if a student uses their phone in class
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  Speaker 5: for five hours a day, which is not unheard of.
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  Speaker 5: It's not the majority, but there's a good number of
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  Speaker 5: students that are on their phone that often, it does
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  Speaker 5: more damage to their educational prospects than the learning loss
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  Speaker 5: from the COVID nineteen pandemic. And even as the average
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  Speaker 5: student does spending about forty five minutes an hour on
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  Speaker 5: their phone a day over a one hundred and eighty
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  Speaker 5: day school year, that's a lot of lost time that
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  Speaker 5: they should be used to be learning. And when we
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  Speaker 5: look at persistent declines and academic achievement and test scores
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  Speaker 5: and all these problems that our school systems are having,
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  Speaker 5: it seems like getting the phones out is i don't
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  Speaker 5: want to say, low cost, but low effort way of
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  Speaker 5: starting to try and turn some of those trends around.
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  Speaker 3: And here's the thing too, We hear all the time,
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  Speaker 3: will studies say this, study say that you're an academic?
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  Speaker 3: You got all those fancy letters after your name. Studies
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  Speaker 3: can do a lot of things, but studies also take
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  Speaker 3: a lot of time. How much has the COVID era
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  Speaker 3: kind of changed people's perceptives on this, because, let's be honest,
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  Speaker 3: one of the big problems with education during the COVID
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  Speaker 3: was the communication was awful on all sides everybody involved.
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  Speaker 3: Now we've got a year, two, three, four school years
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  Speaker 3: coming out of COVID. The data is probably going to
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  Speaker 3: keep growing. But when we say studies, How solid is
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  Speaker 3: this data? Is it going to continue to change? Plus
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  Speaker 3: the technology is changing, so we got to factor that in.
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  Speaker 3: You do this academic, hardcore research, because you study K
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  Speaker 3: through twelve. Just break that down because people say, studies
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  Speaker 3: say this, Studies say that, how does the studies actually
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  Speaker 3: keep up with something that's as dynamic as this is.
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  Speaker 5: And that's a very good and important point and one
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  Speaker 5: thing that you look for when you're researching in a
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  Speaker 5: rapidly changing, rapidly developing sort of problem. And absolutely the
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  Speaker 5: COVID nineteen pandemic factors into this. What you look for
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  Speaker 5: is consistency if one study, If one study is absolutely
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  Speaker 5: explosive in one way and another study is explosive in
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  Speaker 5: another way, that doesn't really tell you much. But what
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  Speaker 5: we're seeing is regardless of when the study took place
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  Speaker 5: pre or post COVID, regardless of the type of technology
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  Speaker 5: you're looking at, regardless of the country, the state, locality
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  Speaker 5: you're looking at, every single bit of research we're seeing
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  Speaker 5: finds persistent problems with kids and technology. It startin's attention spans,
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  Speaker 5: it's a distraction. It can sometimes facilitate misbehavior in really
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  Speaker 5: destructive ways that upset other students learning opportunities, even if
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  Speaker 5: they're not the ones who have their phones out, because
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  Speaker 5: the teacher has to spend so much, so much time
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  Speaker 5: policing kids that they can even really teach. And every
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  Speaker 5: single bit of data we have coming in just build
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  Speaker 5: and build and build this case for getting the phones out.
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  Speaker 5: And this is something that's very consistent and if anything,
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  Speaker 5: what indicators we have show the problem is getting worse
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  Speaker 5: rather than better or different.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Gary and Frankel joining us. You just touched on
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  Speaker 3: it there though, But is there a danger here because
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  Speaker 3: we tend to have like a character of the year
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  Speaker 3: for school years, especially starts school years for the news cycle.
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  Speaker 3: Is there a danger though, that we start scapegoating the
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  Speaker 3: phones on some of the existing problems in the school system, because,
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  Speaker 3: like you just said, school discipline has been an increasingly
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  Speaker 3: bad problem for several years now. It's been getting really worse.
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  Speaker 3: Teachers being unhappy in the classroom because they feel like
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  Speaker 3: they lose control, and they also feel sandwich between the
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  Speaker 3: parents and the students and the administrative levels of schools.
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  Speaker 3: Increasingly that's causing problems with teach Those are just a
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  Speaker 3: couple of the examples, but there's a lot of ongoing issues.
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  Speaker 3: This is an issue that exacerbates those existing problems. Is
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  Speaker 3: there a danger that we end up scapegoating and not
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  Speaker 3: dealing with the existing problems that this is just bringing
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  Speaker 3: up to the surfaces a little bit more.
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  Speaker 5: There's absolutely a risk of scapegoating. And you know, when
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  Speaker 5: I wrote my original article for the Houston Chronicle, I
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  Speaker 5: was very careful to make it clear that this is
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  Speaker 5: not going to solve any of our educational problems forever
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  Speaker 5: and ever. We can all be happy in sing kumbaya.
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  Speaker 5: This isn't going to solve all our problems. It's the
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  Speaker 5: first step at getting at larger systemic issues within our
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  Speaker 5: educational system. Because if you're not going to stop the
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  Speaker 5: bleeding in some way, if you're not going to stop
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  Speaker 5: some of these problems from getting worse than they already
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  Speaker 5: are for a number of other reasons, many of which
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  Speaker 5: you pointed out, then we have very little opportunity of
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  Speaker 5: tapping really any of the problems within education. And I
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  Speaker 5: mean we talked about this before. You know, I'm a
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  Speaker 5: big school choice guy. School but even schools of choice
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  Speaker 5: have these types of problems too, And if we can't
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  Speaker 5: mitigate them right away. We can at least stop them
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  Speaker 5: from getting worse in the meantime, and I think that's
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  Speaker 5: what these restrictions on phones accomplished.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Gary and Frankel joining us. You just kind of
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  Speaker 3: said it. So let's just lay it out there, though,
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  Speaker 3: because here's how these things go. The individual school boards
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  Speaker 3: or school districts however you have in your area, they
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  Speaker 3: start doing something, Then it becomes a state issue. Then
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  Speaker 3: it becomes a national issue. So at some point state
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  Speaker 3: legislators are going to want state wide policy. At some
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  Speaker 3: point people are going to want a federal policy. That's
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  Speaker 3: going to be the next fight, and then it'll all
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  Speaker 3: go to court and around and round. We'll go give
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  Speaker 3: folks something to look for in the news cycle going forward,
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  Speaker 3: because this is going to escalate. It's going to go
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  Speaker 3: to the state level, and then congress people wi get
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  Speaker 3: involved and so on. What should they be looking for
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  Speaker 3: in the headlines going forward on this issue, beyond just
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  Speaker 3: the Facebook posts of whether we're going to ban schools
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  Speaker 3: and cell phones or not.
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  Speaker 5: There have already been a couple of states that have
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  Speaker 5: tried to or have implemented restrictions on cell phones statewide.
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  Speaker 5: I'm based in Texas. I imagine that this is going
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  Speaker 5: to be a topic of discussion in Texas's next legislative session,
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  Speaker 5: and as the second most populous state in the Union,
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  Speaker 5: will be probably by far the biggest states to do
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  Speaker 5: something like that. There are already similar pieces of legislation
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  Speaker 5: being discussed in the Midwest. I imagine it will start
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  Speaker 5: spreading to the South before long. I actually don't expect
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  Speaker 5: the federal government to get too involved in this one
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  Speaker 5: because it would probably require them to offer money attached
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  Speaker 5: to it, and this is not necessarily money that a
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  Speaker 5: lot of states would want to take for a number
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  Speaker 5: of reasons. But at the state level, if you're interested
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  Speaker 5: in state level policy, and you were the type of
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  Speaker 5: person to look at legislative bulletins and keep tabs, it's
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  Speaker 5: going to spread in the next two three years around
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  Speaker 5: the country, regardless of political party at the state level.
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  Speaker 3: Sure feels that way. Garyan Frankel, Young Voices contributor, a
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  Speaker 3: good friend of ours. Glad to have you on. Let
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  Speaker 3: folks know where they can follow you. We'll put up
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  Speaker 3: a link to that Houston Chronicle piece, very important piece
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  Speaker 3: on banning cell phones in school. He took the meme
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  Speaker 3: and brought it to life and said, no, the children
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  Speaker 3: are wrong on this one. Good job on that. Let's
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  Speaker 3: folks know how anything follow you and keep up with
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  Speaker 3: you on this issue.
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  Speaker 5: Thanks for having me. I'm most active on Twitter or
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  Speaker 5: x or whatever you call it now at f R
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  Speaker 5: A n K E.
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  Speaker 3: L G A R I O N and he's spelling
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  Speaker 3: it out because I keep mispronouncing it. Gary and Frankel,
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  Speaker 3: Good job, buddy, appreciate your time. Thank you, sir.
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  Speaker 5: Thanks for having me.
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  Speaker 3: I appreciate that a lot to react to. People get Look,
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  Speaker 3: you start messing with people's kids and messing with their
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  Speaker 3: ability to communicate with their kids. People get fired up.
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  Speaker 3: But people are also concerned about education. Jump on to
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  Speaker 3: Tony the Taylor text line and let us know what
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  Speaker 3: you think about this, and also visit him in person.
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  Speaker 3: Tony the Taylor, He's over on Virginia Street and Charleston
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  Speaker 3: Bestmaster Taylor dot com. Coop. What do you think you
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  Speaker 3: good with schools with cell phones? You go with bane?
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  Speaker 3: I remember going into briefings when I was in the
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  Speaker 3: military fifteen twenty years ago. We'd have to put them
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  Speaker 3: in the little plastic thing at the door before you
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  Speaker 3: went in the room. This is not a new thing,
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  Speaker 3: but now it's involving people's kids.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a little bit. I don't know where technology
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  Speaker 4: takes us. By the way, that text line number three
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  Speaker 4: zerre four non three five five zero zero eight three
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  Speaker 4: zerre be four non three five five zero zero eight
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  Speaker 4: is a text line number if you want to get
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  Speaker 4: in on that. He give us call this morning as
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  Speaker 4: five fifteen fifty eight three four five fifteen to fifty eight.
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  Speaker 4: It's hard for me because my kid, I'm fifty, but
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  Speaker 4: my kid's only six, so there's a huge gap between
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• 16:58
  Speaker 4: be coming to. And we've decided to home school her
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  Speaker 4: through second grade. We're going to start putting her in
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  Speaker 4: school probably next year. So we have a lot of
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  Speaker 4: take on it. It's hard for me because I can
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  Speaker 4: is there technology that couldn't resolve some of this? Like
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• 17:20
  Speaker 4: you go to concerts and you can't use your phones
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  Speaker 4: at concerts because they suppressed the Wi fi. Said, well,
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: could you do something like that to where you only
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• 17:29
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• 17:32
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• 17:39
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  Speaker 3: I'm thinking like the hospitals have like dedicated Wi Fi
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• 17:47
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  Speaker 3: We're going to talk about these stranded astronauts in space.
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  Speaker 3: I can't believe this isn't a bigger story than what
• 17:55
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  Speaker 3: the Parmar Studio. I'm Andrew Donaldson filling in, glad to
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  Speaker 3: be with you. I'm just shocked that this isn't a
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: bigger story. We have astronauts that are stuck in space
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: and we can't get them back until spring. Just stop
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: and think about that a second. How does that even happen? Coop?
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  Speaker 3: Have you followed this story at all?
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  Speaker 4: Only a little bit? I mean I followed it because
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  Speaker 4: I have the space news that's in my stream and
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  Speaker 4: I follow space and sciences, So I've been following this
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: a little bit. But as far as the nuanced details,
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: I don't have a lot of the nuanced details behind it.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: Well, I know who to talk to about it, because
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: I only have one guy in my entire rolodex and
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: contact list that actually flies a spacecraft. But he's a
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: familiar voice on these airwaves. He's been on a couple
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: of different programs. Doctor Michael Siegel up at Penn State astronomer, astrophysicist.
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: I have to say it slowly because one time I
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: called him an astrologist, and that's a whole different thing.
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: But I don't know, buddy, Maybe is Boeing's Jupiter not
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: in retrograde? Is that why Boeing's having so many problems
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: with their spacecraft and domestic aircrafts are.
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: Well.
• 21:51
  Speaker 11: I guess there has to be some explanation. So just
• 21:55
  Speaker 11: to update your audience, that's what's happened. So Boeing's Starliner
• 22:00
  Speaker 11: supposed to be a capsule that will go to the
• 22:02
  Speaker 11: space station and be used for other purposes. It's a
• 22:04
  Speaker 11: partially reusable launch vehicle, and after years of delays and
• 22:09
  Speaker 11: cost overruns, they finally did launch in the spring. But
• 22:12
  Speaker 11: when they got to the space station, they discovered they
• 22:14
  Speaker 11: were having problems with the flow of helium and all
• 22:17
  Speaker 11: the space station in I believe June, and they have
• 22:21
  Speaker 11: not returned yet. The reason is because NASA is still
• 22:25
  Speaker 11: not confident that they've worked out their problems with the
• 22:28
  Speaker 11: maneuvering jets, and if you're going to re enter the atmosphere,
• 22:31
  Speaker 11: that's kind of important to be able to maneuver. If
• 22:35
  Speaker 11: you remember the movie Apollo thirteen, they talk about this,
• 22:39
  Speaker 11: how you know you have to enter at a certain angle.
• 22:41
  Speaker 11: If you enter too shallow, you're going to burn up.
• 22:44
  Speaker 11: If you enter two or too shallow, you're going to
• 22:47
  Speaker 11: bunce off the atmosphere. If you enter two deep fast,
• 22:49
  Speaker 11: you're going to burn up. You want to land in
• 22:51
  Speaker 11: a specific area, and so NASA has been weighing the risk,
• 22:55
  Speaker 11: and this week they announced they've decided that they're not
• 22:58
  Speaker 11: going to put the astronauts back on the liner. They're
• 23:00
  Speaker 11: going to return it unmanned, and that the astaurants will
• 23:04
  Speaker 11: returning on a SpaceX Dragon capsule in the spring. And
• 23:07
  Speaker 11: that also just come with some risks because the Boeing
• 23:10
  Speaker 11: spacesuits are not compatible with the Dragon X capsule, so
• 23:13
  Speaker 11: they will have to be in the capsule without spacesuits.
• 23:16
  Speaker 11: But after weighing the factors, now have decided that was
• 23:18
  Speaker 11: less of a risk than bringing them back in starliner.
• 23:22
  Speaker 11: Now it's possible starline or return just fine, But they
• 23:25
  Speaker 11: didn't think that it was certain enough to do that.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: This where do we put this? Because obviously what they're
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: trying to avoid here is one of the most dangerous
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: parts of space trial is actually coming back into the atmosphere.
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: Those of us that are enough to remember the Columbia disaster,
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: give us a list of work. They're obviously leaning towards.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: Let's not lose life because we still haven't technically lost
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: somebody in space. We've lost them going up, we've lost
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: them on the pad. We lost Columbia coming back in,
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: so that's paramount. But this isn't Apollo one. It's not
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: those two things, so it's not going to be a
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: loss of life. How big of a disaster is this?
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: Because you mentioned Apollo thirteen, most people have seen the
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: move that was described in the prologue as a successful failure.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: What level of failure are we dealing with here, because
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: on the aggregate, it's like, well, we just stranded astronauts
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: in space with noncompatible space suits. This sounds really bad,
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: even though they're not in physical danger at the moment.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: Give us some kind of a scale here on how
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: bad this really is of a problem.
• 24:21
  Speaker 11: I don't think it's as big a it's certainly not
• 24:24
  Speaker 11: as big as Challenger a Columbia like that, but that's
• 24:27
  Speaker 11: what they're trying to avoid You could probably return the
• 24:29
  Speaker 11: astronauts safety in the star Liner capsule, but the potential
• 24:34
  Speaker 11: for that being.
• 24:34
  Speaker 7: That kind of disaster is very real, and.
• 24:37
  Speaker 11: So they've evaluated the options and decided this is the
• 24:41
  Speaker 11: least risky course of ask action. Now the astronauts are
• 24:44
  Speaker 11: aren't in danger on the space station.
• 24:47
  Speaker 7: They have plenty of food, they have plenty of oxygens.
• 24:49
  Speaker 11: The space station can be replenished as needed from other
• 24:52
  Speaker 11: manned capsules, and so that's they're perfectly safe up there.
• 24:57
  Speaker 11: It's just a matter of getting this return.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Doctor Michael Siegole, he's an astrophysicist and astronomer up
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: at Penn State. What's the part of space travel because people,
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: you know, we just see them go up and go down.
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: What's the part that's really hard here? You talked about compatibility,
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: you talked about the re entry. The science of those
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: things are very separate kind of disciplines, almost right, because
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: you got to get up through the atmosphere one way,
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: you got to come back through the atmosphere another way.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: We just see the rockets blasting out off. But there's
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: a lot of details and a lot of science into
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: the ins and outs give us one or two things
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: just for the normal person like me. So even I
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: can understand it of just how difficult the science of
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: this kind of stuff is. Because we're banging on Boeing,
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: but we've just gotten used to space travel and we
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: think it's routine. This stuff is really really hard and
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: really cutting edge technology even today.
• 25:48
  Speaker 11: Well yeah, I mean, when you're talking about things in orbit,
• 25:50
  Speaker 11: orbital dynamics are very counterintuitive. It's very because you're moving
• 25:56
  Speaker 11: around the Earth in a circle. You're in this microgravity environment,
• 26:00
  Speaker 11: so your instincts to move this way to get to
• 26:05
  Speaker 11: this location are not going to be very accurate. If
• 26:09
  Speaker 11: you move a certain way, you might actually move towards
• 26:12
  Speaker 11: the space station actually move away from it because of
• 26:15
  Speaker 11: the way that orbits work. When you have a re entry,
• 26:18
  Speaker 11: you have to slow down to speed up, is the
• 26:20
  Speaker 11: joke that they always use. So it's extremely complicated and counterintuitive.
• 26:25
  Speaker 7: But that having been said, we have.
• 26:28
  Speaker 11: Been doing this for sixty plus years and so it's
• 26:32
  Speaker 11: something that we usually are able to do routinely and
• 26:36
  Speaker 11: we haven't had an incident like this where we weren't
• 26:39
  Speaker 11: able to Well, now that's not quite accurate. In the
• 26:42
  Speaker 11: early days of Mercury, we had incidents where we weren't
• 26:45
  Speaker 11: sure if things had ejected, if the heat shields were intact,
• 26:50
  Speaker 11: and so forth. But we're not in the Mercury days.
• 26:52
  Speaker 11: We're really advanced here, and so to have a failure
• 26:55
  Speaker 11: like this on orbit is quite a black eye for
• 26:59
  Speaker 11: a company that has had more black eyes than an
• 27:01
  Speaker 11: Olympic boxing team.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, doctor Michael Siegel joining us? Is star Liner done?
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: Here's the problem star Liner's got now, it's a pr problem. Now,
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: So why are we spending our tax dollars on this problem?
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: SpaceX makes them look bad, That's just the reality of it,
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: because they're going to get compared, and it was over budget,
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: over promising, has under delivered to this point. I think
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: that's fair to say. Is this going to be the
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: end of star Liner or at least a long pause
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: and then a bureaucratic death five or ten years from now?
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: Where do you think star Liner and Boeing goes from here?
• 27:33
  Speaker 11: I think they have to really go back to the
• 27:35
  Speaker 11: drawing board and see what they're doing here. I don't
• 27:37
  Speaker 11: think Starliner is. There's a lot of money invested, a
• 27:40
  Speaker 11: lot of reputation at stake, and I don't think the
• 27:45
  Speaker 11: pup are unfixable. But the bigger problem here the owing
• 27:52
  Speaker 11: where we've seen We've seen it in the airlines in airplanes.
• 27:56
  Speaker 11: Now we're seeing it with Starliner where they just aren't.
• 28:00
  Speaker 11: It's shocking for me to be saying that Boeing is
• 28:03
  Speaker 11: doing something like the Titan of American industry. This is
• 28:06
  Speaker 11: one of those companies you invest in when you're there
• 28:11
  Speaker 11: maybe safe and to have a you know, something like this,
• 28:15
  Speaker 11: one of the biggest companies in the world have this
• 28:19
  Speaker 11: kind of failure is I think an indictment of everything.
• 28:23
  Speaker 11: They sort of apotheosis if everything that's been going wrong
• 28:26
  Speaker 11: for the company lately.
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: Is it fair? Doctor Michael Siegel. We hear it all
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: the time, like, hey, we put a man on the
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: moon and now we can't even do this, and then
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: they'll point to Boeing Starline or whatever else is going on.
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: There's real questions about, you know, the space station is
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: saving Boeing on this one. There's real questions how much
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: longer we're going to be able to keep that thing
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: up there. We're already talking about when are we going
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: to cycle it down? And there's no real replacement on
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: the horizon. What's a fair and not fair comparison, because
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: that's then there is like, hey, we put a man
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: on the moon fifty years ago, and now we can't
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: do anything that's unfair. Scale that back down to something
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: that is fair of like, yes, we're probably not doing
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: everything we can, but here's the reality of it.
• 29:05
  Speaker 11: I mean, the reality is we are in entering a
• 29:08
  Speaker 11: golden ange of space exploration. It's different from what we
• 29:11
  Speaker 11: were doing before. In the Apollo era, we had a
• 29:14
  Speaker 11: massive government program where basically they would just they just
• 29:18
  Speaker 11: threw as much money as they could at the program
• 29:20
  Speaker 11: until the problems were solved. And to be fair, we
• 29:23
  Speaker 11: did get a bit lucky. Many you may you know,
• 29:26
  Speaker 11: probably some.
• 29:27
  Speaker 7: Of your listeners know Nixon.
• 29:28
  Speaker 11: Actually prepared speeches prepared as the Apollo astronauts didn't make it,
• 29:33
  Speaker 11: and because at that point we didn't really know, it
• 29:35
  Speaker 11: was still a huge risk. We are now getting into
• 29:37
  Speaker 11: an era where space more commercialized, it's more routine. We
• 29:40
  Speaker 11: have more launches every year now than we had in
• 29:44
  Speaker 11: decades before, and so you know, this is a failure,
• 29:50
  Speaker 11: but we have many more success stories, not just with SpaceX,
• 29:53
  Speaker 11: but with other corporate developed reusable launch vehicles. Cheaper launch
• 29:58
  Speaker 11: vehicles were lying launching tons of supplite. There's so much
• 30:03
  Speaker 11: progress being made on a very practical, down to Earth
• 30:08
  Speaker 11: tended level of getting things into space and making this
• 30:12
  Speaker 11: an industry that is sustainable and commercial and a huge
• 30:16
  Speaker 11: part of our economy. So it's a different thing that
• 30:19
  Speaker 11: we're doing now. And NASA's still trying to push the
• 30:22
  Speaker 11: envelope to get us back to the Moon, to get
• 30:25
  Speaker 11: us to Mars the next century. But that's all cutting
• 30:29
  Speaker 11: edge stuff.
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, let's get up and back a time or two
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: before we start worrying about the moon though. Doctor Michael
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: Siegel appreciate your time. Got a great YouTube channel, by
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: the way. He was on with Coop and Weekly about
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: that last week about he reviews things from a scientific
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: perspective like Back to the Future and my favorite most
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: scientific movie ever, Armageddon, which he just loves. I know,
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: doctor Michael Siegel, really appreciate your time, sir.
• 30:51
  Speaker 7: Thanks for having me on again.
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: Andrew, Yes, sir, we'll talk to you soon. Make sure
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: you're following him on social media and YouTube. Amazing story
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: that you know, this is where we are and people
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: get real upset about it. But I'm just shocked cooped
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: that this story isn't bigger than what it actually is.
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: It just really surprised me. We really are complacent with
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: where we at our own space travel, aren't we.
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: I think we've lost the plot a little bit on
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: space exploration. I don't know. You talk to a lot
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: of people, and it seems like, you know, we walked
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: on the Moon before I was born, But even when
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: I was a kid and I was first getting into
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: you know, building space shuttle models and things like that,
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: it seems like that there was a you know, like
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: a combined spirit of space act. It was almost like
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: a patriotic endeavor, you know, it was like something that
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: you really rooted for. Now when you talk to people,
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: it's like the it's like almost a lot of people
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: can't be bothered by the idea or like we can't
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: fund multiple things in the country. Why are we exploring
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: the moon again when there's people going hungry on Earth
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: or whatever it might be. And I don't know, I
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: get kind of I mean, I get it, but also
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: there's a million things going on. I mean, we we
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: walk into gun on a bunch of things at the
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: same time, and exploration of space and our oceans and
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: things like that, that the unknown. That's what human nature
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: is all about. We can't live in stasis. We have
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: to explore and to learn more, and otherwise we just
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: I think you atrophy and dial. We have to explore.
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: That's what we do.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we're losing. I don't think we need
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: to spend every dime we got, like the Space race,
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: where it's an all effort all the time. I think
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: we do lose something as a country and the people
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: when we don't aspire to stuff. I think that's a
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: fair way to put it. But the thing, the biggest
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: problem NASA's got is SpaceX makes them look bad because
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: SpaceX is doing it differently, and at some point they're
• 32:32
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  Speaker 3: But the governor came out and does what governors do.
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  Speaker 3: He announced a bunch of more business investments. And it's
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  Speaker 3: to bring up and talk business stuff. Got me thinking, though,
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  Speaker 3: it's a lot lot like the NFL draft or the
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  Speaker 3: You're thinking it'll work out. Some of the investments you
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  Speaker 3: I'm all for these business investments. I'm excited about them.
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  Speaker 3: But I'm always of the mind because look, I didn't
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  Speaker 3: That's an A to B for C time, for D
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  Speaker 3: B thing, right, I like, is this going to work?
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  Speaker 3: So when I hear these announcements, Coop, I tend to
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  Speaker 3: start treating them a little bit like I treat the
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  Speaker 4: I think that we've seen some recent examples of this
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  Speaker 4: and I was surprised that there were people that were
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  Speaker 4: surprised and disappointment when that project ultimately became obviously wasn't
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  Speaker 4: be fairly off that are sort of headline burners, and
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think trust but Verify is pretty much undefeated
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  Speaker 3: at this point, and I'm all for all these investments.
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  Speaker 3: I just think we need to be very careful, especially
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  Speaker 16: Coach.
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  Speaker 3: What's going on the text line? What are the people
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  Speaker 4: What if we aspired to make sure American children had
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  Speaker 3: Okay, but here's here's two things on this. We can
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  Speaker 3: walk in chew gum on the same time. But if
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  Speaker 3: you go down the list of things that we got
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  Speaker 3: from the space race technology wise, a lot of the
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  Speaker 3: cell phone stuff, communication stuff, microwaves, the way we prep
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  Speaker 3: food fuel the technology list that we got from the
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  Speaker 3: space race. There is an argument to be made that
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  Speaker 3: when you invest in something that big, it has a
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  Speaker 3: one of the reasons NASA's having a problems with SpaceX
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  Speaker 3: because SpaceX is blowing them away on the innovation side
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  Speaker 3: of it, and those things matter. So I think we
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  Speaker 3: can walk in chew gum. There should be a balance.
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  Speaker 3: You got a point there, but it's also can't be
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  Speaker 3: an overriding philosophy. I think that's a fair way to
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  Speaker 4: What else is on the text line, Well, the very
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  Speaker 4: next one was how can we afford nastas? And this
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  Speaker 4: is sarcasm. I want to just preface this with this
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  Speaker 4: is sarcasm, So read this with a sarcastic voice. How
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  Speaker 4: can we let me see if I can do it?
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  Speaker 4: How can we afford NASA spending in this country? I mean,
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  Speaker 4: it's an astronomical point two percent of the federal budget.
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  Speaker 4: Defense spending, on the other hand, is a meager thirteen
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  Speaker 4: to fifteen percent of the federal busk.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the servicing of the national debt is more than
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  Speaker 3: the DoD budget now, by the way, So if you
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  Speaker 3: want to go down that road, I'll go there. But
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  Speaker 3: most people don't really want to have that conversation. Again,
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  Speaker 3: our spending is out of control and needs to be
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  Speaker 3: reeled in. But a lot of that spending on things
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  Speaker 3: that we really don't need. The space program is a
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: small part of that that we could probably. Yeah, of
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: course there's fraud, wasting, abusing the space program. There is
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: an education, there is in the military. There isn't everything. However,
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  Speaker 3: that's not a reason to not do it at all.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think give us one more coup.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and by the way, I think the point here
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  Speaker 4: was that we invest so little in this exploration anyway
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  Speaker 4: that maybe we could afford a little bit more aspirational exploration.
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: Let's see, and we got another moon landing skeptic. You know,
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: did we really land on the moon fifty years ago?
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: I wish we had Michael. I wish we held over
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  Speaker 4: Michael for that one, because that's one that kind of
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  Speaker 4: drives me nuts a little bit, to be honest with you.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, have you ever seen the video of buzz Aldron,
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  Speaker 3: and I think he was in his late seventies at
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: a time, just decking the guy. Don't do that. Don't
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  Speaker 3: go around punching people. But one of the fake landing
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: people got up on buzz Aldron and that did not
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  Speaker 3: go well for him. And buzz Aldron won that fight
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  Speaker 3: with one swing, I will put it that way. But yeah, no,
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: they didn't fake the moon landing. There's just no way
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  Speaker 3: to do that. But I don't know we're going to
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  Speaker 3: actually go back to the Moon. I think it may
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  Speaker 3: be more of a robotic thing. I know SpaceX is
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  Speaker 3: really pushing it, but I mean, I'm forty five. Am
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  Speaker 3: I going to see it in my lifetime? I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I'm a little skeptical, you know.
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: There there was a series of books that the that
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  Speaker 4: I forget where it ended up, but the Expanse was
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  Speaker 4: based on had a lot of really militaristic and business
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: aspects in near science fiction, but very kind of hard
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• 42:44
  Speaker 4: that extract valuable minerals and things like that that get
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: turned into rocket fuel and materials to make ships and
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: stuff like that. But you know it, it's not like space.
• 42:55
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  Speaker 4: at faster than the speed of light stuff like that.
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  Speaker 4: It's a very inclusive within our Solar System where people
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  Speaker 3: We've I've talked to doctor Siegel about it before on
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  Speaker 18: most successful football coaches, Joe Paternos. Joe is accompanied here
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  Speaker 18: by a frightening group a fight flant ghosts, the number
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  Speaker 18: two ranked and undefeated netde Lions of Penn State. A
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  Speaker 18: frightening scene, but Don Neeland's Mountaineers enjoy walking in where
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  Speaker 18: angels fear to tread. So tonight, in ideal autumn weather,
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  Speaker 18: they will meet the invaders. They will do battle as
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  Speaker 18: a prohibitive underdog, but they will play this game with
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  Speaker 18: the knowledge that anything can happen in football. On any
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  Speaker 18: given night, on any given field, it can happen, and
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  Speaker 18: they want it to happen tonight. The state of West
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  Speaker 18: Virginia is wired in on MSN for this effort, and
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  Speaker 18: it will be our the action as these two old
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  Speaker 18: rivals get together. So light up your pumpkins, but on
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  Speaker 18: your scariest Halloween mask and keep that radio close by.
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  Speaker 18: Has the hills of West Virginia resound on the souths
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  Speaker 18: of cold blue football and the West Virginia University Mountaineers
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  Speaker 18: are on the air.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not only ready to run to the effort, I'll
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  Speaker 3: callably crawl the whole way through and how good is that?
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  Speaker 4: Oh my goodness, man, there there's just something I mean
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  Speaker 4: that's growing up, right. I mean, I've been listening to
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  Speaker 4: Tony Credy forever and I know Tony and Tony's a
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  Speaker 4: great guy, the Playboy play voice of the Mountaineers. But
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  Speaker 4: there's something that from my childhood that just recalls Jack
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  Speaker 4: Fleming's voice on the radio in our little living room
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  Speaker 4: on a fall day with the windows open in our house,
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  Speaker 4: breeze going through, and that usually you know, those those
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  Speaker 4: pre big East Days noon kickoffs or one o'clock kickoffs,
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  Speaker 4: you know, and just get ready for those. Man, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I feel it down to my down to my bones,
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  Speaker 4: no doubt about it.
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  Speaker 3: And West Virginia used to do when they first started
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  Speaker 3: doing those ESPN Thursday night games, West Virginia did a
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  Speaker 3: ton of them because that was the only national TV
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  Speaker 3: games I could get on back then, right, And they
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: do that, so we would mute the ESPN feed and
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  Speaker 3: just listen to Jack Fleming from the radio and it
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  Speaker 3: never sinked up just right. But man, that that that
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  Speaker 3: crescendo from apple Atchian Spring, that's the piece of music
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  Speaker 3: the band's playing there. That's the crescendo for you know,
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  Speaker 3: simple thing boy that hits and heat timed to just
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  Speaker 3: every single freak doing my prep work. Listen to that,
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  Speaker 3: and I sent it to you. I was getting goosebumps,
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  Speaker 3: getting all emotional about it. It just it just hits you.
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  Speaker 3: WU Penn State Saturday. It's as big as it gets.
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  Speaker 3: Fox crews all there, McAfee's there today. They called off
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  Speaker 3: school for it today. Up there. That's good work if
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: you can get it. Metro News is going to be
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  Speaker 3: covering basically does still done eight am until however long
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  Speaker 3: it takes to get it done in the evening kickoff
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  Speaker 3: in noon fall it. I'm excited about it, Coop. Do
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  Speaker 3: you got a prediction?
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  Speaker 4: Man, I'm not. I'm trying to not fall on the
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  Speaker 4: side of what scares me a little bit. Earlier in
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  Speaker 4: the in spring, this was targeted by a lot of
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  Speaker 4: West Virginia fans, of course, saying hey, we can get
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  Speaker 4: Penn State. And then you started hearing some other people
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  Speaker 4: saying this might be a good place for an upset.
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  Speaker 4: The problem that I'm seeing now is it's on everybody's
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  Speaker 4: upset watch. Like you look at every single outlet that
• 50:53
  Speaker 4: has their upset watch for week one and it's one
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  Speaker 4: of the top games on upset Watch. That bothers me
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  Speaker 4: a little bit much. Yeah, that bothers I like to
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  Speaker 4: be more under the radar than that. That means that
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  Speaker 4: Penn State's going to be aware of us. If everything
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  Speaker 4: is right in the world, the good guys will win,
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  Speaker 4: which is obviously West Virginia in this case over ten State.
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  Speaker 4: But we'll see. I think this will be a close game.
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  Speaker 4: I think if West Virginia plays well when special teams
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  Speaker 4: and on defense, that it's just going to be down
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  Speaker 4: to the offense. Everybody wants for Garrett Green to have
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: the ability to show that he should be in the
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  Speaker 4: national limelight. That they feel he's been a little bit disrespected.
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  Speaker 4: This is his opportunity to shine, to show that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's tough because first games are always sloppy and messy.
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  Speaker 3: So I think just whoever doesn't make the most mistakes
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  Speaker 3: and comes the most prepared, dat's going to do it.
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  Speaker 3: And the weather might be a factor. We were talking
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: about that yesterday on the hotline. Hey, it's been fun.
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  Speaker 3: This is really an honor for me to get to
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  Speaker 3: do this. Really appreciate Cooper, appreciate Dave Allen. He does
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: such a great job. I hope he enjoys his vacation.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for letting us keep the microphone warm. Thank you,
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: sir Coop for helping me out. Really enjoy it. Five
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  Speaker 3: eighty Live is a special program and I thank you
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  Speaker 3: so much for letting us sit in so hang in there.
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  Speaker 3: Hobbies coming up next. He's coming from the Chamber of Commerce.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Andrew Donson for Dale Cooper WCHS. The great production staff.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you all so much. Have a good day, Stay hydrated.
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