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#400 - Big Hit · The Bootleg Kev Podcast

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Speaker 2: the interview, yo. Bootleg keV Podcast special guests here. He
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Speaker 2: just dropped his This is his debut album. Yes, sir,
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Speaker 2: the truth is in my eyes. I'd like to point
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Speaker 2: out this is very highly anticipated. Thank you for bringing
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Speaker 2: me a physical copy. Man, guarantee you people ain't doing
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Speaker 2: these no more so. And this is legit. Come on, man,
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Speaker 2: some people some people do a CD. But it's like,
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Speaker 2: see you don't got the book. See this is the fool,
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Speaker 2: you got the whole This is vintage bruh.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, man, this is fire.
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Speaker 2: First of all, before we get into the specifics of
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Speaker 2: the album, what I noticed that you're doing, which I
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Speaker 2: think is actually smart these days, is you can't go
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Speaker 2: to Spotify for this album.
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Speaker 1: No man, you gotta only cop this on big hit
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Speaker 1: noopid dot com. You feel me?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? So what was because obviously for people who don't know, like,
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Speaker 2: if you get a million streams, it's like thirty seven
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Speaker 2: hundred dollars, which is pretty wild. We're being honest, But
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Speaker 2: if people like, what, what, what was the inspiration for
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Speaker 2: you to you know, make people buy the album, like
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Speaker 2: actually spend money on the album.
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Speaker 1: I mean that's you know, that's the mastermind hit you
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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, hit Boy. So we just basically
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Speaker 1: just said fuck it, just ball hogging, just doing us.
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Speaker 1: We don't lose a daw and I like it to
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Speaker 1: love it. Yeah, you know what I'm saying type situation.
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Speaker 1: We just create good music and uh and pushing full
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Speaker 1: speed ahead with it, you know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 2: The album has been out of a few days. What
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Speaker 2: has been the response and how has how has this
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Speaker 2: business model worked out so far?
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Speaker 1: It's a one man it's all booming. It's their fans
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Speaker 1: is tapping in, they copping the magazines, they copping the shirts,
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Speaker 1: Troopers in my shirt crazy free shirts. Yep.
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Speaker 2: I'm well, I'm glad that you guys are doing it
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Speaker 2: this way because, like I feel like something has to
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Speaker 2: give for like kind of like currently how artists are
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Speaker 2: compensating for their art. You know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 1: You know, I feel it. My niggas like niggas doing
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Speaker 1: shit for free.
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Speaker 2: It's really what it is.
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Speaker 1: Ain't nobody and no other game is doing shit for free.
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Speaker 1: You can't go to the man and get a break, nigga,
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Speaker 1: Ask my nigga, Tell the nigga I got you later.
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Speaker 1: Jesus is doing that. Ship Man and Dudes is really
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Speaker 1: like devalueising, you know, the game, like it as just
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Speaker 1: fucking the game up for you.
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Speaker 2: Talk about because you and ever since you got out
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Speaker 2: this last go round, I feel like you and your
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Speaker 2: son have just been in your bag. Like I mean,
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Speaker 2: it's been crazy to watch just kind of like the
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Speaker 2: buzz that you generated just immediately, the quality of records
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Speaker 2: that you were putting out on his ship. I mean,
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Speaker 2: the visuals have been there. I know you guys celebrated.
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Speaker 2: You guys shot one of one of your videos shot
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Speaker 2: at my club in Arizona. He was out there with
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Speaker 2: all my bottle girls. It's Costan.
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Speaker 1: I love for sure a Z shout out my nigga.
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Speaker 2: But this album, man, like you know it is. It
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Speaker 2: is a highly anticipated album. So you know, for you
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Speaker 2: like kind of give me like the rundown of just
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Speaker 2: how you feel about this man, finally getting it off
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Speaker 2: your chest. It's got to feel good with so many
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Speaker 2: roadblocks that have come up in your life. And you know,
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Speaker 2: we could have got this album a decade ago.
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Speaker 1: Yeah you know, yep, yeah for sure. Which you know
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Speaker 1: it's like a process man, the building process and the
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Speaker 1: learning process and just now just gotta capitalize and you
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Speaker 1: know and uh push full speed ahead man, and uh
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Speaker 1: you know, make it makes sense, you know. For I'm
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Speaker 1: like this all I know right now, That's all I'm doing.
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Speaker 2: You're like a full time rapper for real.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I ain't out there grinding like one foot in,
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Speaker 1: one foot out like my nigga BENNI said, that's real shit.
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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. That's what I was doing
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Speaker 1: last time too, and the shit wasn't working.
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Speaker 2: I feel like anybody who does the one foot out
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Speaker 2: one for anything. Is it's there's like an expiration date
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Speaker 2: on that. We see it every almost every given moment.
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Speaker 2: At any given moment, you might get pulled over with
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Speaker 2: a gun. You might there's so many like little things
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Speaker 2: that could go wrong every day.
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Speaker 1: Or you might kill a nigga of anything. You know
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Speaker 1: what I'm saying.
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Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, it's like you might as well focused.
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Speaker 2: So like for you like talk to me about like, uh,
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Speaker 2: is there gonna be any sort of opportunity for the
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Speaker 2: generic fan to just stream this one day or is
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Speaker 2: it just like, hey, this is only gonna be something
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Speaker 2: you could buy.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like a piece of art. Yeah, yeah, it's
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Speaker 1: it's some art. Right now, I'm not really sure how
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Speaker 1: they're doing it. Maybe later they feel like they you know,
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Speaker 1: might put him streaming out or whatever. Or right now
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Speaker 1: we're ball hogging and we on to the next. It's
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Speaker 1: like this is done, so I know we got to
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Speaker 1: push this, but we like we still creating music. Man,
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Speaker 1: it was just every day.
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Speaker 2: All the work Ethic over there and hits spot is
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Speaker 2: it's just it's just non stop. I'm sure you already
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Speaker 2: got another album ready.
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Speaker 1: Ten I was That's what I'm saying, like ten, I
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Speaker 1: was ready, man, so.
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Speaker 2: I feel like when he locks in, it's just over.
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Speaker 2: Like look at all the no I mean, just the
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Speaker 2: NAS thing. I don't even know how many NAS albums
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Speaker 2: you've gotten so far. It's been crazy, six on records,
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Speaker 2: six of them another Grammy nomination. What's it like meeting
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Speaker 2: and hanging with Nas?
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Speaker 1: Oh? Man, he is king man, a soldier, man, shout
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Speaker 1: out Nas my naked you know, get my utmost respect man,
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Speaker 1: my highs regards. He like he was mannas like he
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Speaker 1: just like he Nas my nig ukn't like you meet
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Speaker 1: another motherfucker. He's not that dude, you know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 1: Like I didn't know Nas, you know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 1: But but however I seen Nasa and however he portrayed hisself.
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Speaker 1: That's how blood was when I met him. You know
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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It wasn't no different from the movie
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Speaker 1: Nigga to fucking.
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Speaker 2: From Belly Ship. You felt me that was the really
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Speaker 2: ship poster up there?
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Speaker 1: Oh god, yeah, yeah, my nigga, you know him and
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Speaker 1: X was off that ship.
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Speaker 2: But so he didn't disappoint Nah here real were you
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Speaker 2: able to kind of chop it up with him about
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Speaker 2: like just kind of like because I feel like what
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Speaker 2: your son has done with Nas is unprecedented low key,
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Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Like I feel like, I mean.
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Speaker 1: Tod's just do this ship man, because it's in his heart,
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Speaker 1: it's in his soul, that's a part of him. My
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Speaker 1: nigga like an athlete. It's like bouncing the ball. Nigga
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Speaker 1: is nothing for real.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, and like that grammy is like a big deal,
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Speaker 2: the grammy that they wanted. That's like that's guy that's like,
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Speaker 2: you know, obviously shot to hit. He's not like his
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Speaker 2: only grammy, But like that grammy to me, I feel
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Speaker 2: like was like it had to have meant so much
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Speaker 2: because it was with Nas and it was like years
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Speaker 2: after his initial run, you know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So man, they man took him a long time
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Speaker 1: to break him off. Man, they should have been gave
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Speaker 1: NAS's flowers for sure.
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Speaker 2: Man. You know, talk to me man, just like about
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Speaker 2: you what what first of all, how long have you
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Speaker 2: been rapping? And give me kind of like some of
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Speaker 2: your background, like like what part of Cali are you from?
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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying?
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Speaker 2: Like, how long have you been making music because you're
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Speaker 2: you're like the o G. You know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 2: I'm sure you you had a lot of the you know,
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Speaker 2: inspiration as to why it ended up taking his career
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Speaker 2: path to where it was.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I grew up sucking with the old school,
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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, The the kr rest want
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Speaker 1: the biz MARKI the fucking know, back to jams army
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Speaker 1: type shit. But but yeah, I'm from Pasadena, pdu shot
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Speaker 1: to Pasadena. Ye whoa city of roses And yeah, I've
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Speaker 1: just been I've been spending all my life real just
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Speaker 1: clowning with it. Though I never you know what I'm saying,
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Speaker 1: It was just a part of me.
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Speaker 2: Like I say, it was just something that you just
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Speaker 2: lived and it was like.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I always did it and clown with it, and
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Speaker 1: you know he was always say, oh that's tight, But
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Speaker 1: I never took it serious, you know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 2: What was the closest you had taken it to, Like
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Speaker 2: obviously prior to the Hsay seven wave when you when
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Speaker 2: you're on grinding all my life and all that, But
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Speaker 2: was there like an earlier era where you were close
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Speaker 2: to kind of like putting out music or being like
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Speaker 2: more of a serious artist where you were kind of
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Speaker 2: like considering.
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Speaker 1: Nah, that was the only time I really you know
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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It was si because I was fres
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Speaker 1: shot to have a cham in jail.
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Speaker 2: Before that, it was just like a hobby.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just spinning, you know. It was young, you
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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Just kicking it clown with friends.
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Speaker 1: But other than that, just remixing ship. He was remixing.
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Speaker 1: I was remixing way back then. Just jumping on beats. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: jumping on beats, redoing the same ship like Bobby Jimmy
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Speaker 1: did that roaches to get all these roaches. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: just clown and ship like that.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, Pasadena is a city that doesn't get a
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Speaker 2: lot of recognition or love when we think.
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Speaker 1: About l A. No, we underrated, my nigga.
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Speaker 2: And I love Pasadena. It's one of my favorite cities
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Speaker 2: to go to to get food.
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Speaker 1: And trend settles. My nigga, Oh God, what do you
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Speaker 1: mean by that man ship? We set the tone, my
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Speaker 1: nigga on a lot of ship and ship. That's that's
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Speaker 1: said my nigga, Like, nope, it all that ship.
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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, hasn't saying like what do
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Speaker 2: you what do you think it is about Pasadena that
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Speaker 2: like there's a few areas of l A that kind
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Speaker 2: of are underappreciated, if you will. Yeah, I think Pasadena
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Speaker 2: is one of them, Like Pasadens.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, you know what I'm saying. It's just uh yeah,
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Speaker 1: we for show we underrated.
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Speaker 2: But and like people don't understand it also gets it
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Speaker 2: gets up.
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Speaker 1: On and we just you know, saying we had to
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Speaker 1: turn up and we just never turned down, you know
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Speaker 1: what I'm saying, to get all respect.
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Speaker 2: And I think most people go to Pasadena and they
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Speaker 2: go to either the Rose Bowl or they go and
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Speaker 2: they get food because they got that street that's got
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Speaker 2: all the restaurants. But it does get active.
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Speaker 1: O was. Yeah, they was looking at us like I
10:11
Speaker 1: don't know what Hollywood or some shit, but I mean,
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Speaker 1: and it's a nice area. You get tricked if you
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Speaker 1: come over there for sure, you know, say, thinking you
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Speaker 1: you're safe in a good little area, and it start
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Speaker 1: going up. But yeah, that was the that was the
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Speaker 1: main thing. Probably you get tricked by just the surroundings. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: but the individuals in the city is vicious.
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Speaker 2: I feel like anywhere in La you get tricked. They
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Speaker 2: got hoods everywhere they I didn't realize.
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Speaker 1: Some spots, you know that you feel the presence of danger,
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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like you don't really feel
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Speaker 1: that in Pasadena, you know what I'm saying. Even though
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Speaker 1: right now for shit, for like I'm in fucking West Covinos.
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Speaker 2: I didn't say when you got out, you had to
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Speaker 2: probably be like, damn, this shit changed big time.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of people in the hood that's not
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Speaker 1: even from the hood nically the homies. They a lot
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Speaker 1: of people moved out. Is the fucking inflation. It's crazy,
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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 2: But I was looking at the house over there.
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Speaker 1: It's crazy. Yeah, you gotta move like it's yeah, we're
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Speaker 1: gonna change that. We're gonna get to these millions and
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Speaker 1: these billions. I'm a bottle hoole hood.
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Speaker 2: I love it. Man. You have a bunch of features
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Speaker 2: on this project. Shout to Jay Worthy, shot to Baby
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Speaker 2: Stone Gorillas. I saw the Alchemist is on here. Obviously
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Speaker 2: your son's on here. What since you've been out, you've
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Speaker 2: worked with so many artists who has been like the
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Speaker 2: funniest studio session where you guys just had a great
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Speaker 2: time recording.
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Speaker 1: Ship Man. All of them been going up, you know,
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Speaker 1: all of them go up, Nigga real man, all of
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Speaker 1: them Man, Mazie ship I guess with Don Kennedy, with Jay,
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Speaker 1: every last one of them. Man, T Flyop probably T
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Speaker 1: fly Man.
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Speaker 2: He's he'd be clown like a He flies like a
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Speaker 2: very underrated guy too. Yeah he's hilarious, but yeah no,
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Speaker 2: he's so fire.
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Speaker 1: For you man.
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Speaker 2: Talk to me about like, you know, you're growing up.
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Speaker 2: We mentioned arras one, We mentioned a lot of that,
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Speaker 2: but like, you know, the music game has changed so much,
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Speaker 2: like hip hop is kind of evolved for like a
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Speaker 2: generation like my son who's eighteen, he's listening to shit
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Speaker 2: I would never even entertain listening to you know what
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Speaker 2: I mean? But I feel like that's why people love you,
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Speaker 2: because you're bringing like an energy. I feel like it's
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Speaker 2: just not a part of the game no more, you
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Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. Do you feel that like do
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Speaker 2: you feel that pressure?
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Speaker 1: Like?
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Speaker 2: I feel like that's why people resonate with you because
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Speaker 2: you're making like the shit that we need, you know
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Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like, I don't think people even wanted
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Speaker 2: to even like or even knew that we needed.
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Speaker 1: I'm not yup, I'm just doing me man like hoping.
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Speaker 1: I don't even really can't say. I hope they accept it.
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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I mean, I'm just doing regardless,
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Speaker 1: like I'm not trying to please nobody or fit in.
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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I'm tryna basically just dig
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Speaker 1: my own pave my own way. Yeah, you know what
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Speaker 1: I'm saying, to add on to the to the legacy.
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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, what Hi Boy built man
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Speaker 1: and ketch.
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Speaker 2: Up when now you linked with Snoop?
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Speaker 1: What was that like? Snoop Man, It's like that's unk man.
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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. It's he always got something
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Speaker 1: positive to say, you know what I'm saying, And that's
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Speaker 1: that's that's love. You know what I'm saying coming from
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Speaker 1: f he he f he know the struggle, right saying
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Speaker 1: he done been there, He know the struggle my niggas,
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Speaker 1: so he he can relate, you know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 1: And I when I do look at Snoop he you
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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, eye the eye money, I can
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Speaker 1: look at the nigga in the eye, like damn, it's
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Speaker 1: the homie. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. He ain't
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Speaker 1: no fake ass nigga just on some rapper shit.
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Speaker 2: I'm sure you've been dealing with that a lot too,
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Speaker 2: just dealing with kind of like with this industry so
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Speaker 2: fair like you'll meet somebody, they'll tell you one thing. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: it's just a it's a very shallow industry trip though.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I'll take everybody for face, vite. I don't
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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, right, I'm authentic, so I
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Speaker 1: you know, I carry everybody like they authentic too, until
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Speaker 1: they show me different. You know what I'm saying. Talk,
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Speaker 1: I don't underestimate nobody, none of that shit. I know.
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Speaker 1: I got, Like I said, I got a little white parts,
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Speaker 1: At times.
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Speaker 1: Block everybody out man, the speak negative, you know what
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Speaker 1: I'm saying. Try to focus on my nigga. Just try
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Speaker 1: to make plans my nigga, even if you feel like
17:53
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17:56
Speaker 1: hard play. They denied all your motions, your last, your habes,
18:00
Speaker 1: corpus whatever. You know what I'm saying, Still shoot it in,
18:03
Speaker 1: Still trying, my nigga, because you know, it's like winning
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Speaker 1: a lot of You gotta be in it to win it,
18:07
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like a lot of life.
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Speaker 1: As I knew, they didn't even have nothing in they
18:11
Speaker 1: like matter loss already fuck it. You still gotta get
18:14
Speaker 1: in that law. Wake up every morning. Now, you gotta
18:16
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18:18
Speaker 1: gotta search my niggas loopholes. It ain't about you know
18:20
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18:23
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18:25
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18:28
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18:31
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18:33
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18:36
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18:39
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18:41
Speaker 1: they lost. Yeah, you know, when they fuck up and
18:47
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18:49
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18:51
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18:51
Speaker 2: Was that something you were doing when you were incarcerated?
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18:56
Speaker 2: did it work? Did you find out? Like, did you
18:58
Speaker 2: find any anything?
19:00
Speaker 1: Yeah? Hell yeah? And I grinded it out and I
19:02
Speaker 1: paid for lawyers and all kinds of ship.
19:04
Speaker 2: So you like found where they fucked up and you.
19:07
Speaker 1: Already knew you know what I'm saying. Basically they couldn't
19:09
Speaker 1: do the ship. That's why they was kind of mad
19:11
Speaker 1: at me. Was all represented myself at trial, fire my
19:15
Speaker 1: lawyers and ship.
19:16
Speaker 2: But where you fired your lawyers?
19:18
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, yeah they Yeah, it was they was trying
19:22
Speaker 1: to milk me. Uh fucking Mark garretgos charge me a
19:26
Speaker 1: hundred bands, then going to trial try to get seventy
19:29
Speaker 1: five more thousand. You know, say, I gave you cars?
19:33
Speaker 2: Yeah, all this kill it and you ended up representing yourself.
19:37
Speaker 1: Yeah I could. I was broke from the bail bondsmans
19:39
Speaker 1: to lawyers. It stripped me of everything, you know what
19:42
Speaker 1: I'm saying, And uh shit, all I had leftl of
19:45
Speaker 1: cars and I gave those up watches. But other than that, yeah,
19:50
Speaker 1: it was.
19:51
Speaker 2: It was so when you represent yourself, usually you hear
19:54
Speaker 2: that that's a bad idea. Did How did it go
19:56
Speaker 2: for you though?
19:57
Speaker 1: I mean for sure you're well, I'm sure you didn't
19:59
Speaker 1: read Yeah, oh god, I had all my shit tight.
20:03
Speaker 1: But it was just they didn't respect that. They didn't
20:06
Speaker 1: like a nigga up and they're telling them that would
20:08
Speaker 1: you know how they lost? What the fuck they lost was?
20:11
Speaker 1: Eventually I ended up being right. I got back on
20:15
Speaker 1: the pill. You know what I'm saying. They deliberately did
20:17
Speaker 1: some ship that basically just violated my rights. I knew
20:21
Speaker 1: they couldn't do it, and they still did it.
20:24
Speaker 2: But eventually it worked out and you represented yourself.
20:28
Speaker 1: Yeah, at trial, I lost, but I got back on
20:31
Speaker 1: a pill. Okay, okay, that's gotta be nerves.
20:34
Speaker 2: I can only imagine it being in the cell the
20:36
Speaker 2: day before you got to go stand in front of
20:38
Speaker 2: everybody and represent yourself. You probably got all your notes
20:41
Speaker 2: ready to go.
20:42
Speaker 1: Now they yeah, they didn't let me do that shit.
20:44
Speaker 1: They had me shackled down to the fucking chair. I
20:46
Speaker 1: was like, it wasn't it was just violation.
20:49
Speaker 2: For real, that's crazy. That they wouldn't even allow you
20:51
Speaker 2: to like stand up, have your hands free to read notes.
20:56
Speaker 1: Yeah they yeah, you violate. That ship's crazy violent, Uh
21:01
Speaker 1: you know, individual whatever. Fuck but that wasn't the case.
21:05
Speaker 1: Just trying to discourage me. That ship's wild. Man.
21:09
Speaker 2: Damn your life movie is gonna be crazy.
21:11
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, absolutely, I got it ready, You got it ready. Yeah,
21:15
Speaker 1: it's already written. Just it's open ending.
21:18
Speaker 2: So what is your timeline that this album's out. I
21:22
Speaker 2: know you guys are working NonStop. I'm sure there's more
21:25
Speaker 2: than a few people that probably want to do joint
21:27
Speaker 2: joint projects with you.
21:28
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I got a Gang of Ship already.
21:31
Speaker 2: Is there? Is there any other any other albums that
21:33
Speaker 2: are in the Can any any joint joint.
21:35
Speaker 1: Projects album with niggas? Man like Jayworthy? Me and Jay
21:39
Speaker 1: Worthy got a whole album. Me and r J got
21:42
Speaker 1: a whole album, And Killer Twine got a whole album,
21:45
Speaker 1: and T Flying got a whole album. I got albums
21:47
Speaker 1: with niggas, you know I'm saying. Me and uh Don
21:51
Speaker 1: Kennedy got a whole album. You know what I'm saying.
21:53
Speaker 1: So it's like, yeah, and count me and fucking K
21:56
Speaker 1: Boy got a whole whole album. I crip Potten talking
22:00
Speaker 1: about Jesus.
22:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you ain't playing? Is that like you? Are
22:04
Speaker 2: you treating this shit like a job like Monday through Friday.
22:06
Speaker 2: You gotta make sure you're in the studio like I mean.
22:09
Speaker 1: No, I'm treating it like the seal, like I'm gonna sale.
22:12
Speaker 1: I'm in lock down. Nigga in the hole, but I'm
22:14
Speaker 1: in the booth. It is like the best seal in
22:17
Speaker 1: the world. Like bullshit, ain't nothing, everything come to me,
22:22
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying.
22:23
Speaker 2: That's dope, man. What was it like for you? Like
22:25
Speaker 2: working with someone like Alchemists, who.
22:27
Speaker 1: Is one of them?
22:28
Speaker 2: Once he's like your kid, you know what I mean?
22:30
Speaker 2: Like he one of them guys legend.
22:32
Speaker 1: Alchemists made got a beautiful soul man and he like
22:36
Speaker 1: this or or just you know, if you didn't know him,
22:39
Speaker 1: you wouldn't know he he that you know what I'm saying,
22:42
Speaker 1: He's a bad nigga. You know what I see down
22:44
Speaker 1: the earth? You feel me that nigga down the earth?
22:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it's crazy. You mentioned being in the hole.
22:49
Speaker 2: What's that like? People don't realize that that that I
22:52
Speaker 2: feel like they put you in there to break you.
22:54
Speaker 1: Oh yeah the shoe. Yeah, special housing unit, that was
22:57
Speaker 1: my second home. So always looking up violations, you know
23:02
Speaker 1: what I'm saying.
23:03
Speaker 2: So how do you make the time go by?
23:06
Speaker 1: Working out, praying, uh, you know, writing or obviously just
23:11
Speaker 1: writing for sure. I wake up on my sleep with songs,
23:14
Speaker 1: just writing, ready to go. Yep. Damn.
23:17
Speaker 2: I can only imagine. I've heard like my cousin's in
23:19
Speaker 2: prison and uh, I know the holes.
23:23
Speaker 1: Shitty.
23:24
Speaker 2: I can only imagine, bro, Like, eventually, I feel like
23:26
Speaker 2: you'd be high off your thoughts. Yeah, you be there
23:29
Speaker 2: tripping low key.
23:30
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. For sure, ain't strong, You're gone?
23:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, That'shit's crazy? Man? Is there anything? Because I only
23:37
Speaker 2: can assume so many people have been trying to sign
23:39
Speaker 2: you to a bigger, bigger deal. Yeah, I'm sure that
23:42
Speaker 2: calls them been coming in offers. That's got to feel good,
23:46
Speaker 2: right man.
23:47
Speaker 1: I'm yeah, but shit, they a don't feel good turning
23:50
Speaker 1: down that much, like you know, Nigga turned down a
23:53
Speaker 1: half a million dollars like, and I understand it.
23:56
Speaker 2: So I have a ticket for the advance.
24:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, have a ticket for that van. I want of them,
24:03
Speaker 1: you know, a couple.
24:05
Speaker 2: How many albums was that?
24:07
Speaker 1: Oh? Ship they wanted, Uh, they wanted twelve songs.
24:14
Speaker 2: That's it.
24:16
Speaker 1: One of twelve songs.
24:17
Speaker 2: So White White obviously, you know, White White turned that
24:21
Speaker 2: down keeping it independent.
24:23
Speaker 1: I mean, Ship hit, but blew that already on me, nigga.
24:27
Speaker 1: I was like breaking even. You know what I'm saying,
24:30
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get way more than that. Yeah, so you
24:33
Speaker 1: kind of on our masters. Man, We're just making a statement, man, pushing.
24:38
Speaker 2: You know the thing that was double about hip boys,
24:40
Speaker 2: He's like being extremely transparent about some of the stuff
24:42
Speaker 2: he's gone through with like predatory record deals and or
24:45
Speaker 2: pup deals specifically in the music industry. So I feel
24:47
Speaker 2: like there's anybody who could kind of be like, hey,
24:50
Speaker 2: that sounds good until it ain't good.
24:53
Speaker 1: Way more. Yeah, for sure, you know, we're just pushing.
24:56
Speaker 1: I mean we're just working, man, We're not really even
24:59
Speaker 1: tripping off the bread right now. We're comfortable, you know,
25:04
Speaker 1: we know it's gonna come later. It's like planting seeds,
25:07
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So we're trying to control
25:09
Speaker 1: the market, my nigga, control our market and just create
25:12
Speaker 1: a whole new lane. You know what, I'm saying, we're
25:14
Speaker 1: gonna come through the podcast. We're gonna do our own
25:18
Speaker 1: fucking you guys gonna do a podcast. Yeah, I have
25:21
Speaker 1: my own podcast fire.
25:24
Speaker 2: Just you interviewing people.
25:25
Speaker 1: You're talking about me. Yeah, we gonna be you know KK.
25:28
Speaker 1: That's my uh, that's my uh my ship career Criminal
25:32
Speaker 1: Entertainment Fire. So we're gonna be fucking with everybody fresh
25:36
Speaker 1: out the pen, niggas that got our niggas that are
25:38
Speaker 1: still in the prison, you know, and just uh, basically
25:42
Speaker 1: trying to change some ship because man, we had we
25:46
Speaker 1: we have a snowball chance in hell, like everything we
25:49
Speaker 1: did we get convicted of because we was basically judged
25:55
Speaker 1: by the bigger brother in the system, you know.
25:57
Speaker 2: And then you get out and now and then you
25:58
Speaker 2: got that on your it's almost like like a you know,
26:00
Speaker 2: like the scarlet letter, Like you can't get jobs. You know,
26:03
Speaker 2: there's certain things you can't get qualified for if you're
26:05
Speaker 2: a feeling like they really make your life living hell
26:08
Speaker 2: like for real, like you really got to kind of
26:10
Speaker 2: they almost make it to where you want to go
26:12
Speaker 2: do some more legal ship because they make it hard
26:14
Speaker 2: for you to do legal ship once you get out.
26:15
Speaker 1: To it. You got to get back to it on me.
26:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, because that's not for this.
26:19
Speaker 1: I would have been I would have been on one.
26:22
Speaker 2: Once you apply for that job, you gotta hear are
26:24
Speaker 2: you a feling yes or no?
26:26
Speaker 1: Nobody applying for the job.
26:28
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, I'm I'm talking about just like most
26:30
Speaker 2: people who get out, they want they want to try
26:32
Speaker 2: to like Traden their ship up.
26:33
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, man, that'd be dope.
26:36
Speaker 2: I love the podcast direction.
26:38
Speaker 1: That'll be hard. Yeah.
26:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, would you ever write a book?
26:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'll tell you. I'll finish.
26:43
Speaker 2: You gotta do the book first, then then the show
26:45
Speaker 2: with the movie.
26:46
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, that's how it's probably supposed to go.
26:51
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26:53
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26:56
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're doing a documentary. You know what I'm saying.
26:58
Speaker 1: We already chopped with my uncle from New York. You
27:02
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. My dad from New York. You
27:04
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So let's start with him. You
27:06
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. He was an orphan and shit,
27:08
Speaker 1: and his mama was a dope fan. My grandmama hairon addict.
27:12
Speaker 1: You know, what I'm saying. He was a whole baby.
27:14
Speaker 1: He feel me, So she did with a whoop. And
27:16
Speaker 1: they lived the rough ast life, my nigga. And and
27:20
Speaker 1: you know, he grew up in the orphanage and ship
27:21
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27:23
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27:26
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27:28
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27:31
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27:33
Speaker 1: got out, you know, and spoiled the shit out of me.
27:36
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27:39
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27:40
Speaker 1: Buck fucking wild, crazy bro.
27:43
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27:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was a tunnel rack nigga.
27:47
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27:49
Speaker 1: Huh man, This nigga was killing niggas bigging holes and
27:53
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27:57
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28:00
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28:05
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Speaker 1: If you don't mind me asking, fifty two?
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Speaker 1: Oh god, this nigga older than you, hit boy, older
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Speaker 1: than you?
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Speaker 2: You was getting it in. Yeah yeah so wait, so
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Speaker 2: how old were you when you had hit fourteen? Oh shit,
32:16
Speaker 2: that's how my sister was. My sister had my niece
32:18
Speaker 2: when she was fourteen?
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Speaker 1: Yeah?
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Speaker 2: What's your was?
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Speaker 1: Was your?
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Speaker 1: Yeah? Oh so that was like, yeah I matter that?
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32:32
Speaker 1: summer school?
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Speaker 1: Like? Did you mean that was my first baby? Mama?
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Speaker 1: Na? Man? I was like, man, I was young? Dug
32:45
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Speaker 1: your virginity? Man? Young?
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Speaker 2: Like fucking like twelve?
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Speaker 1: Fucking though, like fucking eight or nine? Nigga, Like how
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Speaker 1: old was the girl you fucked with? You? And ready
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Speaker 1: like almost she probably was like twenty? Oh she was
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Speaker 1: a child molester.
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Speaker 2: She should be imprinted. It was the reverse r Kelly happened.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I just wasn't. Was she a teacher?
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Speaker 1: Nah?
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Speaker 2: Because you know these days teachers is out here fucking
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Speaker 2: hell of kids. Nah nah, I feel I wish I
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Speaker 2: would have caught that way.
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Speaker 1: Well, for real, my hommy called me up there and
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Speaker 1: he's like, come and get some pussy. And I was like,
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Speaker 1: where are you at? She went to cracking? Nah no,
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Speaker 1: you never went up there, and they was really pulling
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Speaker 1: the trade.
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Speaker 2: It was everybody was just getting it in. He was like,
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Speaker 2: come on, like, no cool, so you just hopped in. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: When they left out, that ship's amazing.
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Speaker 1: God, oh my god, I left. I raised up Jesus.
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Speaker 2: I see I didn't lose my virginity. So I was fifteen,
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Speaker 2: but I fingered sucked the chick when I was twelve,
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Speaker 2: and then I got my dick sect in a Mexican
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Speaker 2: strip club when I was thirteen. I went there with
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Speaker 2: me in the strip clubs and Rocky Point and yeah,
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Speaker 2: I got domed up by this chicken.
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Speaker 1: It was.
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Speaker 2: It was like fifteen dollars, super cheap, cheap as fuck,
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Speaker 2: fifteen dollars.
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Speaker 1: And you know what I'm saying, I don't even won't That.
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Speaker 2: Strip club is still there, wild wows great place where? Yeah,
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Speaker 2: I went in there with a with my girl and
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Speaker 2: I was like, you know, I've got my first fucking
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Speaker 2: blow drove. Well, I've heard of that place. How was it, dad?
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Speaker 1: Man? It was turned up?
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Speaker 2: I've only heard of it. I've never been it was
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Speaker 2: turned up. Yeah, there's a new place out there to
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Speaker 2: bring them back over. There's a new place out there
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Speaker 2: I've heard about. It's called Hong Kong. I heard it's good.
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't go, obviously I'm married, but I heard it's
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Speaker 2: a good place. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I went over there when I first got out.
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Speaker 2: Oh you went over there like like this this go
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Speaker 2: around to the Alasta Okay? And you didn't you didn't participate?
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Speaker 1: No, nah, hell no, I was spoke. They was too
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Speaker 1: like too cheap, too cheap? And two four like.
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Speaker 2: What do you want their prostitutes? You want them to
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Speaker 2: like do you want them to take you on a date?
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Speaker 1: I wanted it is easy.
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Speaker 2: You say, that's the whole point of the place and
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Speaker 2: ship back back then, because what was that twenty twelve
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Speaker 2: you got out or twenty eleven.
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Speaker 1: Thirteen, twenty fucking nah. Damn the fuck did I get out?
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Speaker 1: I don't even know when the fuck I got.
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Speaker 2: Out because it was grounded. My whole life was at
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Speaker 2: twenty fourteen.
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Speaker 1: I was twenty yeah, thirteen thirteen fourteen. Yeah, so I
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Speaker 1: got out twenty thirty.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Adelete has had to be cheap as hell
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Speaker 2: back then.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're tripping twenty dollars easy for a girl something
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Speaker 1: like that.
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Speaker 2: Would you ever have like girls visit you? Like, like,
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Speaker 2: I always wonder how the visitation ship works, cause you
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Speaker 2: know there's some guys who get the conjugal visits.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I ain't getting none of that.
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Speaker 2: None of that because you got to be married, right.
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Speaker 1: Married, I got married and ship that didn't. I still
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Speaker 1: lost my ship.
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Speaker 2: You lost your rights because you got in trouble, right. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: we're like guards, like, uh.
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Speaker 1: I was in the state this last round in the fairs.
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Speaker 1: We don't get none of that. We don't get no nothing. Damn. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I always wonder because you'll see like the conjugal
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