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Garrett Russell: Silent Planet · The BlackSheep Podcast: Presented by HM Magazine

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  All right, today we've got Garrett Russell with us. Garrett, God,
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  I don't even know how to introduce it. I mean, you you have
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  had an episode with us before, and I'm sure we went through all of
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  the history of yeah, but but it's been too long. It's just been
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  too long. Like I haven't seen you in person for probably a couple of
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  years. It's probably been two or three years. I mean it was like
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  the last album cycle when we last had you on. So it's been it's
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  been a while since we've just hung out, and I've been missing a Gear
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  Russell hang out for a while. So I'm glad that you're here, and
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  hopefully we can just do this in person again sometime soon. I'd love to
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  see in person again, dude, I would. I would really like that.
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  Please come hang. It's just been to be a blast. It's been
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  both just too long. Yeah, thank you. You know, let's get
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  right into that. That last album cycle, when we talked to you,
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  you said that you had most of the songs for this album already written and
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  that you were you almost seemed to the time more excited for this album.
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  I remember that then, the album than the album that you were plugging at
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  the moment. Uh, it was. It's just wild that you know,
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  it's uh it it seems like it's been a long time, but it really
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  hasn't from our perspective, but I'm sure from your perspective it's been like ages.
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  Yeah, I mean, yeah, definitely, I think time time started
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  moving again since we spoke, like, you know, touring and everything and
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  I I, you know, moved and uh, have just been up to
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  some stuff. So it's it's, yeah, it's been a lot of life,
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  but it's it's been good. I I appreciate you having me last time,
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  and yeah, this isn't this is a record that I think we were
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  already more excited about, you know, at the time of plugging the previous
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  record, and uh, yeah, it's it's it's it's fun to be able
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  to be able to hang. Yeah. Well, I I still remember when
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  when we last had that conversation about your Descent and as much as I loved
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  it, and then like a maybe it was a few months, maybe a
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  year later, I don't remember exactly the timeframe, but you released Signal Yeah,
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  the single, and I was like that, this is by far the
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  best Silent Planet song I've ever heard and you guys are known for you know,
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  good singles, great obviously like great overall albums, but that single was
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  was Signal. I was like, holy shit, if this is like the
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  mark of new Silent Planet stuff, that this is what I I'm on board
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  for. Uh And certainly we get like a good mix of that in the
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  new album with Super Boom, and I don't know, it's just like that
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  felt like a really like marketed shift where it was like whole like you guys
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  are entering into new territory. That is feels different, but you guys just
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  like mastered it so well. And anyway, I that's that's all to say.
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  I loved when you guys released a signal and obviously that like feels like
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  a really great like trajectory towards what you guys got going on now. Yeah,
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  we we we really were proud of Signal, and honestly, it was
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  it was kind of interesting because we put it out and it was people you
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  know, seemed a little excited when they heard it, but pretty quickly it
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  was like it wasn't a very marketable song, like it was definitely one of
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  our weird like we're gonna start here and we're gonna go here, and we're
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  like, we're really proud of those, and we'll keep doing those types of
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  songs. But it's just funny because like you know, after that, we
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  like took another year basically, and then it's like, okay, here's anti
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  matter. I think that that's more of what like gets you on like Spotify
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  playlists and get gets you in front of like new ears, and so then
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  we put that out and and that that one did a bit better. But
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  yeah, we like it all, you know. I think we're fans of
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  music that can kind of be more of those A to B journey songs,
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  and we also really like to make stuff that feels, you know, it
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  feels catchier. I guess that's kind of the what we we want to challenge
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  ourselves to, I guess, try to do as much of just music in
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  general as we can, instead of being like, oh, we're only going
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  to write catchy Spotify kind of like you know, easier to digest songs,
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  or like oh we're only gonna do super whatever. And I think for a
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  lot of bands, they become one or the other, because like if you're
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  not really like cool and artistic and cred, then like well then you go
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  for the commercial thing, you know, And for us, it's like,
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  I think we're just kind of like honestly weird nerds who are like, no,
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  let's see if we can do both, you know, and I'll let
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  someone else decide if we do them successfully or not. But our goal is
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  to like just kind of do different things. Because when you like, you
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  know, kind of different pop artists, and then you also like different types
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  of like experimental, gayzy stuff or whatever, it's like, it's why not
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  just like try to be a little bit of of both. I guess you
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  know. It's funny you say that you said that Signal, in your opinion,
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  wasn't very marketable. I was marketed at at least two people, you
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  and I Collen. Yeah, definitely. It definitely hit the hit the stream
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  right there for Mason and I. But just today I was playing Signal in
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  the weight room and I have a bunch of students that were up there with
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  me, and I go up to them and I go, they're big Nickelback
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  fans, right, Nothing is more marketable than that, at least to them.
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  I go, why would you listen to Nickelback when you could listen to
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  this? And they all go, you know this, this stuff rips,
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  this stuff's actually pretty awesome. So I think I think you have a market.
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  I think you have a market. I gotta say, man, if
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  they go from Nickelback to like Signal that is wild, well, they're like
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  I would I would think they would need like, you know, first,
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  dude, maybe need like a Bene sevenfold or something, and then after that,
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  like you know, maybe hit him with some like haste to day,
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  you know, as they're dying under oath or something, and then hit them
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  with like some sugar, you know, and then like, because we're pulling
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  from so much, it's just funny to imagine like the jump from like Chad
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  Kroger's. Even though one time, outside of a bar in Denver, Colorado,
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  a lady once said, are you the guy from Nickelback? And I
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  didn't want it down for the rest of Yeah, I did, I know
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  you even look like I get it, did I know what? I think?
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  She saw curly hair and a guy with some facial hair and was like,
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  yeah, any standing around and we looked like banned people or something,
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  but yeah, she said that. In like for the rest of that tour,
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  everyone called me Chad, you can ask Sean from Phineas about it.
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  Sean witnessed it. Well, next time we talk to Sean will definitely bring
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  this up because it's like, hey, Sean, I heard you toured with
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  Chad from Nickelback at one point. Yeah, that means that means you guys
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  have to do a Nickelback cover now, right. You know, look at
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  this photograph and it's like you know photograph, like like, look at this
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  graph and it's a graph that shows all of the war crimes committed by the
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  United States or something. Oh my god, that sounds that that's like straight
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  tar, like like black tar heroin right into my veins. If you were
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  to do that, that would be that's like that that would be a form
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  of a cover. The reason I would love that so much just because it'd
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  be like it'd be like tongue in cheek like protest. Yeah, using like
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  the most like derivative version of a popular you know, alternative rocks on.
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  I think that's brilliant. You should do that, you know, Yeah,
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  I'm here for it, honestly. Yeah, maybe like change around a few
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  of the lyrics to make it even more like anti war and everything. That
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  would be cool. I have a question for you, just yeah, is
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  System of It Down a guilty pleasure band? Or is that just or people
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  to be fans of the System of It. You know, that's a great
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  question because I hear it's it seems like people are either one way or the
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  other on it. I am fully on board saying System of a Down.
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  They're an enigma, there are a thing onto themselves, and therefore they can't
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  be a guilty pleasure. Okay, I think I think they're just too fucking
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  cool personally, but I do know a lot of people that think that they're
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  a guilty pleasure. Well, because you know there's a yeah, like he
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  literally sounds he does that. Yeah, like like like pizza pie, right,
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  Yeah, I mean that's likezza pipe. Yeah. Actually, like there's
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  some supposed to goofy, but then there's also some really great lyrics. Yeah,
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  you know what. I life as a waterfall. We're one with the
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  river and one again after the fall. It's brilliant, pretty good. This
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  is this is my this is my theory. System of a Down is the
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  talking heads for for for metal heads, like yeah, like super super fucking
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  goofy, but also like definitely has like some deep ass meanings in there and
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  everything, and wow, that's a good one. System of a Down is
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  talking Head is talking heads for metal? Yeah, yeah, I think so
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  for metal listeners. Yeah, I mean I really can see that. And
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  both of them are super groove oriented as well, so I mean it just
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  it just makes sense to me. Yeah, and they have like cool fall
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  well I guess I guess it's maybe less of a cool fu. I feel
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  like System of a Down is just kind of huge if you're into rock and
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  metal, Yeah, because I think they had songs that they did. They
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  had a lot of like crazy, silly, ridiculous ones. Yeah, but
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  I think they had enough like legitimate just kind of like radio instream. Yeah
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  like that. But yeah, when you say b Yob is the most famous
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  bush rock protest song, Yeah, either not hip hop either that or what
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  was rage? Was rage more Clinton era. I'm trying to I'm trying to
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  either that, that's what I That's I guess where my head was at.
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  I mean, I think the only ones that could come close is maybe be
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  Rage. I guess the Machine, But I don't know. That's a good
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  question. Yeah, like Los Angeles, I'm trying to remember when that album.
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  I'm looking it up right now quick for Los Angeles nine. Yeah,
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  so you see, Yeah, I think I think that all the all the
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  like rage classics you think about are definitely more just like anti neocon, Yeah,
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  anti neocon. And I think obviously like rage against the Machine is way
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  feels way more like politically even more politically focused and is like more active,
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  is and oriented. I think system of a Down was more kind of like
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  I just wanted to like shed light, wanted to shed light and wanted to
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  show the absurdity of it, but also was so focused on just like being
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  the absurdity of all things in life. Yeah, that like rage, rage
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  obviously is a political entity. I think, you know, anyways, all
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  that is I was just wondering if you Yeah, I thought that maybe that
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  song b Yo b is the like the Bush era, so I think it
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  has to be right a protest, Yeah, Mason, Mason, can you
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  think of a of another Bush era protest song that is anywhere American idiots as
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  Oh? Yeah, I guess I just hate. Sorry, I'm not trying
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  to. I'm not a fan of you can hate. You can hate,
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  you can hate on this podcast. I don't I don't hate doing that.
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  I think that I'm not a fan of Green Day, and I think if
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  you you're right, you know what, that was a way bigger Bush protest
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  song. And I think, frankly, it was so overplayed if you were
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  there back then, that it's just like I can't, I actually physically can't
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  listen to Green Days, Like a lot of Rihanna's were so overplayed when I
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  was in college on the radio that like, I physically can't listen to them.
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  It's not that that they're bad, I just can't. I also think
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  there's something to be said about a protest song that when it's overplayed, it
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  loses its meaning, Like I think American Idiot completely completely lost its meaning in
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  it's in its popularity. Mmm, I don't know, it's really interesting,
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  Yeah no, I I yeah, for sure. I mean especially when it
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  starts getting like AD syncs with like Mazda and and shit, you're just like
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  you really, yeah, this doesn't make you think about like the war in
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  Afghanistan and now this is just makes you think about cars or NFL or whatever.
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  It was totally it was definitely sync with Madden. I remember that.
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  I do remember that, Yes, yes, yeah, I do remember that.
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  I'm glad that you're not the only person that plays Mad. I feel
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  like almost everybody that I know that plays video games, like doesn't ever play
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  sport video games. But that's all I ever played growing up, was like
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  Madden and and Sibley Football and all those kind of games. So like,
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  at least Garrett Russell knows what it was like to play Madden two thousand and
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  seven. Blitz was my favorite because there was no rules. There are no
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  rules. Actually I just turned that on on my N sixty four the other
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  day and I had a blast. Still it's still really really good. Blitz
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  holds up and as someone that I grew up with the sport games but don't
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  now, I haven't played one in a long time. I've always but you
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  know, like the old NBA jams on the arcadi, Oh yeah, you
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  could be like Pippin and Jordan or I don't think you could be Pippin and
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  Rodman versus like Vadi Diebak and Magic Johnson. Yeah. I feel like every
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  friend group has a has a friend that thinks they're the best in the world
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  of that game. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, because you know,
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  at some point you were in an arcade just beating other seven year olds.
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  You're like, I'm awesome at this, Like, no, you were
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  a seven year old beating a seven year old. My favorite NFL Blitz story
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  was Colin and I used to go to the Pine Ridge Reservation in South Dakota.
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  We grew up in South Dakota and we'd go there for like mission trip
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  stuff. But like it was like this church that was there that we became
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  really good friends with the people that like went to that church, and they
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  always had like these like you know, four year old five year old like
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  Native kids that because this church had like n sixty four and they had like
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  NFL Blitz, and there was like four or five year olds playing NFL Blitz
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  that were like so fucking good at NFL Blitz. And they're like they don't
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  even really know what they're doing, Like they didn't even know the game of
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  football. They just like know how to play NFL Blitz. And these kids
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  from Pine Ridge were so fucking good at NFL Blitz and every game, every
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  video game that was there, Mario Kart, they would just own all.
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  Yeah, they would destroy you know, I'll tell you what though, I
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  would right now, I guarantee you Mario Kart. I would go destroyed anyone
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  for any one of those. Do you do that little thing where you like
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  you hold down one button and then you shake it or whatever, and you're
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  able to like boost around the corners you use the R trigger to jump,
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  and then you have to you have to like, yeah, you have to,
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  you have to go back and forth on the joystick. I was actually
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  just the other day, that's so funny we're talking about this. I was
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  playing the Mario Kart Double Dash on the GameCube, which came out you know
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  later, Yeah, and it made me just miss the the older version,
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  the sixty four versions so much. Yeah, because that one you could have
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  a little jump thing which allowed you to like kind of hop over the grass
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  real quick, or like you could even jump like the bananas and stuff.
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  So it just makes the skills the skill ceiling like higher because you have this
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  like really old kind of like you know, goofy game that also has this
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  incredible amount of control. Anyways, did a lot of that on tour with
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  the ongoing concept that bit we can't have a Marto Kart station built into their
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  trailer because you know, Dawson, like he's one of those guys that like
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  for listeners who don't know this the ongoing concept solid State band they like are
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  so diy that they had a record where he built all his instruments, like
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  he cut down the trees everything he like, like he did everything, He
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  built the instruments, he recorded the whole record, he shot all the videos,
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  and like then like, I don't know, I feel like a lot
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  of people slept on that band because they were really really good and it was
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  just like it's almost too amazing and too good for like tour music seeing people
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  to be able to like grasp or you know, pay cool bit and cool
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  guy. I think the other problem with that is it was just the wrong
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  time. I mean they they they started at like the only time when in
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  the last like twenty years that metalcore really wasn't that cool. That's true,
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  That's true. Yeah, metal core was kind of going through a slump,
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  and I think the only reason my band was able to come up is we
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  were like kind of doing some not metal core stuff, right, I think
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  so with met the metal core kind of Yeah, yeah, I think you're
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  right. That's a good point. Yeah, Meddle core did stop being cool.
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  I mean it's all kind of hardcore or at least it was. I
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  think maybe it's kind of becoming more just whatever now. Yeah, I think
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  you're right, let's talk about more of super Bloom. Uh. Yeah,
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  What were some of the the things that you guys were wanting to explore a
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  little bit more that maybe you hadn't explored before inside of the Planet, Like
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  obviously you guys have tried, like every album, there's like a little something
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  new that you guys try to explore. What was the news so much that
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  you guys try to explore in this album? Yeah, I mean musically,
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  like different types of like really like brutal, heavy, simplicity and really like
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  I think we've always we've always loved like you know, it's like Michuga for
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  instance. I mean not not that their music is all simple, some of
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  it's really complex, but just like repetition and really kind of like building tension
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  in different ways. I think we started trying to even have more fun with
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  different types of electronics, some old school, some nude school, just like
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  kind of playing around with different stuff in the electronic world. I think lyrically,
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  and I can I think even better speak to lyrically because I'm by no
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  means than the primary like musical architect. In my band, I'm I'm the
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  primary, you know, like writer of lyrics and melodies, and it's it's
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  a lot of collaboration. And that's one thing I'm thankful for is our band
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  is like a band in that traditional sense where it's not just like one one
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  person at a compute, you know, it's it's an effort, which is
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  fun, even though Mitch does have to spend a lot of time on his
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  computer to give him so he tracks it all, you know, the guitars
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  in the bass, and he's he's very involved with it and stuff. But
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  Alex will be there too. And all that is to say musically they could
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  probably speak to that better, but lyrically, when you talk about differences,
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  it was kind of embracing a lot of kind of different types of storytelling efforts,
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  including kind of embracing some kind of fantasy science fiction mixed with reality,
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  mixed a lot with conspiracy theories. I think I think in you know,
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  we are what we you know, like late Light, like our parents always
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  said, you are what you eat, we are what we consume. And
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  I think in the process of writing this record, I consumed a lot of
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  crazy kind of mixture of like mythology and controversial conspiracies and whatnot, and so
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  I think embracing that on this record was, to say the least, something
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  that kind of started to seep through my pores and a lot of stuff that
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  I still have a really deep interest in from this record cycle that'll probably continue.
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  So yeah, a lot changed with this record. I think this was
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  the most conscious and deliberate effort to kind of go from one place to another
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  for us. Well, speaking of conspiracy theories, I mean, you guys
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  definitely you know, Skillett was my favorite conspiracy theory conspiracy theory band up until
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  you know, you guys are releasing super Boom, so maybe you know,
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  siln Play it's going to overtake Skillett and be my favorite conspiracy theory. What's
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  Skillet's conspiracy? Like the election was stolen from Trump kind of thing or what?
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  Oh, I'm one hundred percent like, you know, when people were
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  sort of storming in the Capitol, I'm sure Skillett was like, you know,
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  being played at least like the perfect music to storm the the capital too.
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  Oh, it's gotta be you gotta think is wild about the January sixth
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  thing? I just gotta say this, do you ever think that, like
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  it happened during the whole COVID pandemic when you're supposed to wear a mask and
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  stuff, right, and it's so wild that the people that storm the capitol
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  are also happen to be the people who's like one of their primary identifiers of
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  in group out group was not wearing a mask. And so they were faced
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  with this thing where it's like, do you wear the mask like a liberal
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  but not go to federal prison? Or do you not wear the mask for
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  a couple hours and you go to federal prison. And it's wild to think
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  that someone's in prison because they're like, we're gonna throw some prison if we
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  don't wear a mask. But then they did something that if they were,
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  Yeah, I just think about that sometimes. That's a song. I do
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  remember during like the George Floyd protests, like part of the reason like the
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  mask, where it's like such an important part was like you could wear a
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  mask, which like concealed your identity, but also like probably should be wearing
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  a mask if you're gonna be around like a whole, you know, a
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  whole group of people during these protests. So I do remember that being like
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  a part of it where it's like there's actually like multiple good reasons to be
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  wearing a mask right now. Yeah, also when it's cold, I learned
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  wearing a mask is tight when you're really cold. It's really great. Yeah,
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  I'm a big fan of it. Learned to do that up in Minnesota
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  actually a couple of years ago. But yeah, you know, I yeah,
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  it's just something I think about. And of course I'm not one of
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  those people who thinks, like, you know, the whole January sixth thing
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  was kind of ridiculous because like it was just all based off of Trump's like
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  narcissism and stuff. However, it was I'm you know, I'm a fan
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  of the government having some level of awareness that like people are like to be
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  afraid of. You know. It's like it's like when who was it When
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  Nixon I believe he was in office during Vietnam and he says at some point
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  to one of his staff members, like they were like outside burning buses outside
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  of like the White House skates and he's like, oh my god, I
• 22:57
  think they're going to get in. I think they're gonna and like obviously I'm
• 23:02
  not for like, you know, actually breaking into it. But it's it's
• 23:06
  it's I think it's important that people that the government is like aware that like
• 23:11
  it's like that it has to put you know, the common person first.
• 23:15
  Yeah, keeps them, keeps them on their heels, right, It does.
• 23:18
  It really does, because I think whether that's the only thing people seem
• 23:23
  to be able to agree on in our country is like whether you're right or
• 23:26
  left, you're right. I think people are pretty suspicious of politics, especially
• 23:30
  the fact that politicians and just kind of get paid off to right laws for
• 23:34
  corporations. Yeah. Well, I remember like when that whole thing went down,
• 23:38
  and I remember like all these liberals freaking out about like they they got
• 23:42
  into the Capitol as if they like they as as if they like are desecrating
• 23:48
  a church or something. I'm like, is this is the capital that sacred
• 23:52
  to you that you think of it as a church. I'm like, this,
• 23:53
  this is literally a capitol building. Like that was my thing, like
• 23:56
  if someone the help, Oh my god, these people like I think everything
• 24:00
  they read on the internet is true and that like JFK's son is gonna come
• 24:04
  back and like resurrect and this whole thing that's really weird and like troubling,
• 24:10
  but the whole idea that's like it's like some building and I'm like, yeah,
• 24:14
  I don't know, like this it's a government building. The government asks
• 24:17
  like, yeah, that it's funny how people make a whole church out of
• 24:21
  stuff. But I think that that is a lot of the mythology behind American
• 24:26
  supremacy is guided by a religious belief that this is like, oh yeah,
• 24:30
  kind of like the city upon a hill, you know. Yeah, both
• 24:32
  from the right end the left total totally Republicans Democrats, Yeah, totally.
• 24:37
  I think they both carry shades of that. Maybe just some of them choose
• 24:41
  to write it and codify it with their own like religious or secular language.
• 24:47
  Is there is there a conspiracy theory that you are most keen on that You're
• 24:52
  like, there's something to this one, Oh for sure. I mean that
• 24:55
  Kurt Cobain was trans I haven't heard that. Oh you haven't had Oh yeah,
• 25:00
  there's like a lot of conspiracy theory that like Kirk Cobaine was actually like
• 25:03
  a trains woman that had he lived. I was on TikTok. I feel
• 25:06
  like I would know this. I've never heard that. Yeah, it's a
• 25:10
  pretty like it's a fairly famous one. I don't know if it's there's a
• 25:12
  conspiracy theory that like Courtney Love killed him. I don't think that has as
• 25:15
  much merit, but yeah, there's about that. My vocal trainer, my
• 25:21
  vocal trainers worked with Courtney Love and I I kind of I was talking about
• 25:23
  that with her and like asking her like just different stuff And I'm not going
• 25:30
  to get into all this stuff because some of it was imprevate, but but
• 25:33
  the point is she was like she was like, that's such a ridiculous idea
• 25:36
  because Courtney was like Courtney was the kind of person who would like be doing
• 25:40
  twenty things at once and just would be like was all over the place.
• 25:44
  The idea that she would be like also like sneaky killing Kurt was just like
• 25:47
  unbelievable. That's just her energy was like the opposite of what it requires to
• 25:52
  be like a you know, hunker down and be silent and killer. Yeah,
• 25:57
  like I play it cool while you can. Like I've definitely watched enough
• 26:02
  true crime to know, like she doesn't seem to have the personality, like
• 26:04
  she's got a lot of issues, but like she doesn't seem like she's the
• 26:07
  person to kill somebody that takes a kind of personality, and the issue,
• 26:11
  the issue if you want to get specific about the cobaine situation, and why
• 26:15
  I think a lot of people have questions is because, as you know,
• 26:18
  the way that he killed himself and the level of heroin that was in his
• 26:22
  system seem incongruent, Like you don't normally see those two things happening because he
• 26:29
  would have had to have done really a gymnastic type of thing. I'm not
• 26:33
  going to get into the gory details, but he would have had to have
• 26:34
  do a gymnastic type of maneuver to be able to have completed what happened.
• 26:41
  And people are like, how are you going to do that when you're like
• 26:42
  floating in the air on just an incredible amount of heroin. So you know,
• 26:48
  the people can make of that what they will. But anyways, conspiracy
• 26:52
  theories that I do believe in. And by the way, Kurt had really
• 26:55
  bad stomach issues from and doctors were giving him opioids instead of like probiotics because
• 27:00
  back then they didn't know shit about the whole like microbiome gut Situation's that's so
• 27:07
  I don't know, that's a conspiracy theory. Yeah, exactly. He wasn't
• 27:11
  He didn't have what he needed for his gut, and that honestly breaks my
• 27:14
  heart because I think a lot of people will always like care make him,
• 27:18
  make him a character of like, oh, addiction and being this like degenerate
• 27:22
  rock musician. But by all reports, he was like a really happy,
• 27:26
  fun guy who was a great you know, dad and loved to make music.
• 27:29
  And it's a bummer because I don't think he was like, you know,
• 27:33
  feeling sorry for himself his whole life. He was a pretty cool,
• 27:36
  active guy. Conspiracy theories, well, the Zimbabwe alien siding, I definitely
• 27:42
  believe that that, oh okay happened as they well, that's on the cover.
• 27:48
  That's on the cover of the album, right, the three dots in
• 27:51
  the sky. That there's some yeah, there's some influence from a few different
• 27:55
  UFO things, but there's I guess, you know, to stay on the
• 27:59
  topic of the record, there's a lot of conspiracies within it that you know,
• 28:03
  we could talk about that have influenced it or different sightings. I mean,
• 28:11
  a lot of it isn't even conspiracy anymore. It's living in this weird
• 28:14
  middle space where it's in the public's imagination and we now have footage, you
• 28:18
  know, from the US Navy that's like, oh, check out these crafts,
• 28:21
  and this is you know, there's all these videos and you know,
• 28:23
  pilots on sixty minutes talking about how they just routinely saw things that defied our
• 28:30
  known laws of like physics, and so that's like, that's we're aware that
• 28:36
  that's like something that a lot of people that have a lot of credibility are
• 28:40
  talking openly about. But then there's some some older situations that I think are
• 28:45
  you know, seen as hoaxes, and one of them is the Zimbabwe I
• 28:48
  think it was nineteen ninety for the Aerial School. I don't know if I
• 28:52
  know of this one. I feel like I know a lot of the UFO
• 28:55
  sighting stuff, but I don't know if I know of this one. So
• 28:59
  yeah, yeah, yeah, September sixteenth, nineteen ninety four. Aerial School.
• 29:03
  Just wanted to make sure I was saying the right words. So basically
• 29:07
  it was an international school. There's a lot of like politicians and diplomat kids
• 29:11
  at the school. It was a very kind of inner cultural interlinguistic I think,
• 29:17
  a pretty like pretty high up there school. As far as like prestigious
• 29:22
  in the area, and the kids were like recess and fifty of them,
• 29:29
  actually I don't know. A lot of the kids come back and they all
• 29:32
  have the same story where basically these beings came down in like a craft and
• 29:37
  they had like big eyes and they just telepathically told these kids all these things.
• 29:41
  And these kids like who don't have like crazy personality, you know,
• 29:45
  crazy lying backgrounds, they're just like these well, these kids in like a
• 29:52
  kind of nicer school that are like bioll accounts. I think, you know,
• 29:56
  your average kids are all just saying these like wild things about like these
• 30:00
  beings told me that if we don't stop the growth of technology and in what
• 30:04
  we're doing to the environment and then really like like it'll soon be irreversible and
• 30:10
  everyone's gonna die and suffer. And they were like just saying all this stuff
• 30:15
  that you would not expect to come out of a kid. And like weeks
• 30:18
  and months later and the kids were saying the exact same thing, and psychologists
• 30:22
  came in and were like trying to figure out what had happened to these kids
• 30:26
  because they're not you know, kids are really bad liars, Like eight or
• 30:32
  nine year old is not going to concoct this one day and then trick a
• 30:36
  bunch of adults like that just isn't going to happen. That's just as like,
• 30:41
  just as legite, I mean, just as likely as like that your
• 30:42
  dog's going to like tell you a joke and you're gonna laugh. Like it's
• 30:47
  there's no way that kids are going to trick a bunch of people. So
• 30:49
  they're all saying the same thing. And then this psychologist comes over from Harvard,
• 30:55
  John Mack, and Mason. Know if you're familiar with John Mack,
• 31:00
  because he's an interesting figure in psychology because he was like board of psych at
• 31:07
  Harvard and all this stuff. And basically he goes and interviews the kids,
• 31:11
  and his colleagues are calling him out, saying like we should take away his
• 31:14
  license and all this stuff because he's even like daring to talk about this UFO
• 31:18
  stuff openly. And he interviewed a lot of people that were abducted, and
• 31:22
  he challenged the concept that people that claim to have abductions are all just schizophrenic
• 31:26
  or something, because that's kind of how the political entity of the APA treated
• 31:33
  people talking about having these paranormal experiences. It's like you're all crazy, and
• 31:38
  so this guy really challenged that and almost lost his position just for challenging it.
• 31:44
  But he's one of the most published respected psychologists in American academic history,
• 31:51
  and so he's interviewing the kids in Zimbabwe and just like, yeah, I
• 31:55
  don't know, I mean, this seems quite genuine. So something to look
• 31:57
  into. That's going to be the conspiracy theory I'll pick. Yeah, that's
• 32:01
  an interesting one. I don't know if I've ever heard of our aliens?
• 32:06
  Would cryptozoologists be the ones that study aliens? Well, you know, I
• 32:12
  was just talking about this. When we talk about aliens, I think a
• 32:16
  lot of times people just assume it's either like we do these categories where like
• 32:22
  you have like an angel and you have like an alien, and you're like,
• 32:25
  these are categorically different things. You know, angels come from, like
• 32:30
  those are real and they're like friends of God and like you know, they
• 32:34
  they they're all on like God's team. And then we have aliens, which
• 32:37
  is like in our sci fi universe, you know, they're these little green
• 32:42
  guys. It's just funny because when you think about like the way the aliens
• 32:45
  that a lot of people describe angelic beans and stuff, and then the way
• 32:50
  that we talk about it, they're not so different really at all. And
• 32:53
  so whether I think people some people think, oh, this is a race
• 32:59
  that comes from Mars or some probably you know, some other solar system,
• 33:05
  the Zeta whatever, you know, some some other cluster of stars and stuff
• 33:08
  they come from, or they're like spiritual beings is like one or the other.
• 33:14
  And it's like, I don't think there's any way that something's moving.
• 33:16
  It's possible, but I don't imagine people traveling through the multi like traveling through
• 33:21
  the universe, going from solar system to solar system to hang out with us.
• 33:24
  I imagine it's like a dimensions of reality kind of situation that you have.
• 33:30
  You have, you have like probably at least I mean mostly you've heard
• 33:35
  the quantum thing of like there's probably like ten dimensions of reality. We obviously
• 33:38
  only experienced a number of them. But then just yeah, and and the
• 33:44
  idea that there's more and more kind of dimensions stacked on top of ours and
• 33:53
  you get different stuff like that or the like the double slit experiment, where
• 33:59
  like particles behave differently if they're observed, and you get these different things that
• 34:02
  lead you know, some people to say, Okay, it's a simulation of
• 34:06
  a reality, and so maybe things that are coming in and out of our
• 34:08
  simulation from other simulations, or you get people that are like, oh no,
• 34:14
  it's more just like dimensional beings, like like particles, like when you
• 34:16
  separate them, but they're still in sync because they're they're operating on a different
• 34:22
  plane, you know, of existence. That there's things that have potentially could
• 34:27
  be mobile through dimensions, and like whether it's purposeful or it's accidental, or
• 34:31
  it's just like energy, they're like moving through our dimension. And so that's
• 34:37
  like when you talk when we talk about it, I just to be clear,
• 34:40
  that's kind of how I see it. Like when the Mexico when Mexico's
• 34:45
  government has this guy like present the UFO the alien and it's like a body
• 34:49
  and you saw it on Twitter, you know, the alien body a couple
• 34:52
  of months ago. Like I know that stuff's going to be ridiculous because that's
• 34:55
  just out of like our very physicalist notion of real where like things are just
• 35:00
  strictly matter as we can understand them. But I think we're talking about things
• 35:06
  that we barely have the language for. You know, yeah, actually,
• 35:10
  you know what next time you come to Minneapolis, I got a book for
• 35:15
  you that I'd love to give to you. You ready for this? Yeah,
• 35:17
  I interviewed this. He's a processed philosopher and theologian. Actually, the
• 35:22
  first time we ever met was at a process theology event trip. It's not
• 35:27
  Trip that wrote this, but it's a buddy of ours a trip And in
• 35:31
  mind his name is Andrew Davis, but he just wrote a book. I
• 35:36
  forget the exact title, but it's something about exo life is how he describes
• 35:38
  it. So instead of like extraterrestrial life for aliens, he describes it as
• 35:43
  exo life. But basically he's making this argument that metaphysically from a white Head
• 35:50
  in perspective, from white Head's metaphysics, that what we would describe as like
• 35:54
  extratrustrial life is certainly possible. And so he basically makes this argument of thinking,
• 36:00
  like how do we think through this philosophically and theologically, through the fact
• 36:02
  that like the possibility of extraterrestrial life is possible. It was really really fascinating,
• 36:08
  But he thinks about all all of it is through like white white heady
• 36:12
  and metaphysics. So like when you're talking about like you know, these like
• 36:15
  different dimensions and the different ways of thinking about the cosmology and the metaphysics of
• 36:20
  the universe. Like that's essentially the argument he's flowing through, is like this
• 36:23
  this argument around cosmology and metaphysics. I heard a white Head and I knew
• 36:29
  he was a process dude. I don't know anything about his metaphysics though,
• 36:34
  so you definitely, other than the fact that like everything is in relationship and
• 36:37
  everything like future completely open to all sorts of possibilities, that's all you need
• 36:43
  to know about Whitehead. But that would essentially that all I would say that,
• 36:46
  that's all if I had an essay tell me about white Head, I'd
• 36:50
  be like, yeah, god's a relational experience. I think just those yea,
• 36:53
  those two those two lines, that's all you need to know. But
• 36:57
  but yeah, that's essentially the argument to be made around you know, the
• 37:00
  possibility for exo life as he would describe it, but you know, extratrustrial
• 37:05
  life, so I definitely think there is something to be said about it.
• 37:07
  So yeah, yeah, that's that's exciting. I I I really like that
• 37:14
  exo life, and I'm gonna like, yeah, I don't need to write
• 37:16
  that down because it's pretty easy, you remember, I think, but I'm
• 37:20
  going to keep that one because the closest thing I came to finding it was
• 37:25
  ultra terrestrials. That's like what I actually say it in the album at some
• 37:31
  point it's a lyric, but I I basically this is an ongoing story.
• 37:39
  So like the album that we just put out is a series of documents,
• 37:45
  and I think I'm I actually the first time I ever mentioned it was on
• 37:46
  the first podcast that we had together. But this that's what the record is
• 37:52
  inspired by. And here's that book. That's the way just in case,
• 37:57
  Oh, thank you, phys of it. Exo Life, Exo Life,
• 38:01
  Instructive White Pinion, Cosmo Theology. Obviously a lot of like very it's very
• 38:07
  academic, don't get me wrong, it's very very academic. But it's really
• 38:09
  great, Like I mean, it really starts to explore learn a bunch of
• 38:13
  words. Yeah, and it's it's not trying to get into like what's you
• 38:16
  know, what's the evidence around like the the Mexico evidence or you know,
• 38:22
  all the all the it's it's not trying to make that argument at all.
• 38:25
  It's just trying to purely is extratrustal life even metaphysically possible. Is it metaphysically
• 38:31
  possible? And what is what are the implications if it is? I'm guessing
• 38:36
  yeah, and I yeah. This this idea of you know, beings that
• 38:39
  aren't just from our from a different planet just like us, but different skin
• 38:45
  and different clothing or something. But but the idea of just maybe even us
• 38:50
  in different dimensions accidentally or purposefully reaching out to each other the way that we
• 38:58
  manipulate energy in wondering like what long term ampiplications of different stuff would be.
• 39:04
  You know, what it would mean, you know, if the whole world
• 39:07
  was nuked over, like what that might do to like time space and small
• 39:12
  amounts of you know, of our existence. And which is also a thought
• 39:19
  that I I it's weird to think that they've they've found like different My understanding
• 39:27
  is they've found different remnants of of isotopes on Mars that would suggest that there
• 39:32
  could have been a nuclear explosion at some point on Mars. And the idea
• 39:37
  that Mars was a more hospitable place to the human life than the Earth was
• 39:40
  millions and millions of years ago before its environment you know, fell apart.
• 39:45
  It's just that's all crazy thoughts too, But I'm more you know, as
• 39:49
  far as what I actually believe is, it's it's less of kind of sometimes
• 39:52
  the crazy planetary conspiracies and more the idea that there are simply beings from higher
• 39:57
  frequencies dimensions that we that we're just some of us are like you know,
• 40:02
  you have like a goat herder throwing language at it thousands of years ago,
• 40:07
  and you have like, you know, midlife crisis dads like Elon Musk trying
• 40:12
  to throw words at it. But you all just you just have people trying
• 40:14
  to throw words at phenomena that is like wildly past anything that we have the
• 40:20
  ability to. Yeah, you know, understand, we're just barely evolved apes,
• 40:23
  right, just trying to make sense of what's around us forms that we
• 40:29
  can understand, right. Yeah, we're still so like ego bound, like
• 40:31
  we're so legal bound that we're like basically virtually in capable of experiencing reality,
• 40:37
  you know. Yeah, Well, that was one of the things that was
• 40:43
  brought up when I interviewed Andrew Davis about that book, was the fact that
• 40:47
  a lot of the arguments from like kind of a like a physics and biological
• 40:52
  standpoint is that even the possibility for human intelligence wouldn't have happened until like a
• 41:01
  few billion years after the Big Bang, and so like that that is like
• 41:07
  there's still a many many years that happens, but there's still quite a bit
• 41:10
  of time between the possibility for human intelligence to even to even emerge, for
• 41:19
  that to happen, from the time that human intelligence actually does start to emerge,
• 41:23
  like the Yeah, I think it was just six it was it was
• 41:25
  just six thousand years, right, that's right, Yeah, just even you
• 41:29
  know, like a couple of decades ago. Really, but like there's there's
• 41:32
  still like considerable amount of time between the like for intelligence to the human capability
• 41:38
  to happen, from the time that humans even emerge on the scene. Like
• 41:43
  there's a massive amount of time that happens in between those years. And so
• 41:46
  the possibility for other planets that might be hospitable to life to have that evolution
• 41:53
  to happen even before then before humans emerge on the map of history, there's
• 41:59
  a lot of possibility there, and so that that's part of the argument that
• 42:04
  I talked to Andrew about in the book. So, yeah, well there's
• 42:07
  even a chance there's more intelligent life in the ocean than us. We don't
• 42:09
  even know, right, true, I mean I believe dolphins are smarter than
• 42:14
  us. So well, they give each other, That's that's true. They
• 42:20
  are. They are very sexual creatures, dolphins, Oh my god, I
• 42:22
  understand them to be. They also speaking of egotistical, I mean, holy
• 42:28
  crap, have you ever seen I have ever seen a dolphin look at look
• 42:30
  at itself in a mirror? Is it almost like watching a metal core vocalist?
• 42:34
  Look, yes, they're going like they're doing like the whole all the
• 42:38
  dances. You know, nothing will bring you to TikTok stardom than being a
• 42:46
  metal metal core vocalist. Yeah, you know, I gotta get on TikTok
• 42:52
  or something. Man, No you don't. Don't You see what TikTok did
• 42:55
  for Sleep Token and and uh and other bands. And I'm like that that's
• 43:00
  cool. The Chinese don't need another metal vocalist on there. Yeah, it
• 43:06
  is. It is crazy that man. We did a China tour once.
• 43:10
  How was that wild? Really? Was it? Was it restrictive? Or
• 43:16
  I was given a Bible? I was given a Bible at one of the
• 43:19
  shows by people who were like, this is like not a legal Bible,
• 43:22
  like and I was like, I can't read this, and then I'm going
• 43:25
  back to America and you should give it to someone else, and they were
• 43:29
  like, no, we want you to have it because like it's like a
• 43:32
  just I just something to remember. And I remember being like, wow,
• 43:36
  that's wild. Like you spend your whole life in like evangelical America listening to
• 43:40
  like really stupid people pretend to be like pretend that they're being persecuted because they're
• 43:49
  experiencing the repercussions of their stupidity, and then like you're in China and you're
• 43:52
  just like talking to these really really genuine students and you're like, wow,
• 43:58
  you're actually like a persecutor church. That's wild. What if what if they
• 44:01
  were only giving you the Bible because they worked for the government they wanted you
• 44:06
  get stopped at h Well, yeah, you know what was weird is I
• 44:09
  had the Bible in my backpack and two days later I was like, I
• 44:14
  was like asleep in the floor of what's supposed to be a cafe. It
• 44:16
  was. I didn't sleep for weeks. We were like literally spending twelve hours
• 44:20
  a day on bullet trains because we were going across like we went all over
• 44:22
  China, not just like the big major cities on the coast. And anyways,
• 44:29
  back, the Bible fell out of my bag at some point and some
• 44:34
  students ran up and one of them was like looking at it, and then
• 44:37
  this like cop walked through the train car, and I was like, no
• 44:40
  way, is this about to happen, Like am I about to be on
• 44:45
  international news or something? Odds it fell out and the kids are looking at
• 44:51
  it, and I'm just like just like sitting there as but it looks like
• 44:54
  I'm like, hey, kids, read the Bible. I'm from the effa,
• 44:57
  I'm trying to doctrinate you. It could read so much worse in the
• 45:01
  eyes of the you know, the government than it was, but nothing really
• 45:05
  came of it, So yeah, that's not damn well. God, could
• 45:09
  you imagine like being you know, like silent Planet like blows up overnight because
• 45:14
  they were like the evangelist band that like snuck into China and were getting kids
• 45:21
  to read the Bible and got busted for it. And it's like they were
• 45:23
  on solid state records, Like that's couldn't be further from the truth of like
• 45:27
  what they were trying to do. You would have so many QAnon fans fifty
• 45:31
  k to play metalcore for like, you know, for sure or church or
• 45:36
  something. Yeah, it'd be wild, man, do you imagine crazy crazy?
• 45:39
  You'd be sept for life, Garrett, You'd be You should have wished
• 45:43
  that cop would have freaked out about it. I think a lot of people
• 45:46
  would quickly feel conflicted about lyrics that we already had though. That's true.
• 45:52
  Yeah, you have health insurance. Probably I would have health insurance. And
• 45:55
  you're right, I don't have health insurance. You know. I don't do
• 45:59
  well. I don't put anything evangelicals anymore. Though. If they can,
• 46:02
  if they can love what Trump says and they can get on board with the
• 46:07
  you know, the Trump train, I don't. I don't put anything past
• 46:09
  them. They would look at your lyrics and be like, oh man,
• 46:12
  that's actually the truth. Hmm okay, I don't know. Calling godmother is
• 46:19
  always a step too far for the for the THEO bros. And my experience,
• 46:23
  well, they call Trump daddy so and sometimes they are fans of idolatry
• 46:30
  in general. Yeah right. I think that's why you can't put anything past
• 46:35
  them, because they are fans of idolatry, you know, so anything else
• 46:37
  can follow that. Maybe you just need to like write an entire album about
• 46:44
  like how you had a child that like died and went to heaven and that
• 46:49
  might get you health insurance and like the album's about like Hillary Clinton versus the
• 46:53
  child or something. Yeah, yeah, totally yeah, Like yeah, like
• 46:57
  the child dies, fights off Clinton and gets to heaven and then like comes
• 47:01
  back to life like that that would totally get you health insurance. Just get
• 47:06
  it coked up, Donald Donald Trump Junior like doing like a little spoken word
• 47:09
  part in the middle. Crazy, what would that, Colin? You do
• 47:17
  a good Donald Trump impression? Would what would Donald Trump spoken word even sound?
• 47:22
  Like? I walked into the room and I was like, wow,
• 47:27
  there's a lot of there's a lot of Christians in here. I just think
• 47:30
  that there needs to be more Christians. I can't believe there's some many Christians.
• 47:35
  That was a good That was a good Trump. That's what I'm saying,
• 47:38
  Donald Trump. I'm working on it. Hopefully it's not relevant again,
• 47:43
  but oh it will be very relevant very soon. It's so crazy to me
• 47:46
  that like Republicans are like we're gonna run like them or like Ronda Santis.
• 47:52
  It's like no stupid. They love one man. Yeah yeah, like like
• 47:58
  the other people might speak to their brain, but like they love him,
• 48:01
  like there's no there's no getting off. It still blows my mind that there's
• 48:06
  a very real possibility that we could be voting for somebody who's currently in office
• 48:10
  and somebody like the two choices, somebody currently in office and somebody currently in
• 48:15
  prison, Like that could be a real possibility next year, which is definitely
• 48:22
  how most civil wars start. Right, that's a real possibility. I just
• 48:27
  find that that just blows my mind. All right, Garrett, let's talk
• 48:30
  about your top five most guilty pleasure artists besides Nickelback? So, like,
• 48:37
  who who are the artists that, even if you don't feel guilty about listening
• 48:42
  to them, at least you would be made fun of for listening to them?
• 48:45
  So who are some of these artists? I like a lot of just
• 48:50
  like random. Sometimes I like to just listen to random, like cyberpunk d
• 48:54
  M stuff, Okay, you know the kind of like like which there's nothing
• 49:00
  wrong with it musically, but like aesthetically it kind of has the cringy like
• 49:04
  you know, guy in a hood, like walking down the alleyway and half
• 49:07
  of his hand is like made of like some kind of like thing from a
• 49:12
  video game, and and you know, and like, oh, this song's
• 49:15
  cool. And then you look over and it's like a half machine lady looking
• 49:21
  all sexy, and you're just like, this is like really esthetic of this
• 49:23
  music is really not like my thing, but like the music is kind of
• 49:29
  like hits and it's like interesting and or not even I mean, it's not
• 49:32
  crazy like fascinating music, but it's like the right amount of like the tonal
• 49:37
  thing's kind of cool and you can just listen to it. So I would
• 49:38
  say that would be one guilty pleasure. I can't even think of an artist,
• 49:42
  but just like YouTube like cyberpunk stuff, and you'll know what I'm talking
• 49:45
  about, this YouTube cyberpunk. That's it. Yeah, okay, so that'd
• 49:52
  be one. Nickelback. We talked about Nickelback, and well you brought nickel
• 49:57
  Back up, but I'm gonna say Nickelback. Look at this graph. I
• 50:04
  don't know if Mason was there for that one, but ye look at this
• 50:07
  graph and uh and it's the statistics of the United States war crimes. I
• 50:15
  love it. Third one, what what's your what's your go to like Nickelback
• 50:20
  song, like, what's the one that whenever you listen to Nickelback, you're
• 50:22
  like, god, that is I have to replay that? The metal one.
• 50:29
  No, it's kind of new. It's something the Machine. It's the
• 50:34
  Machine. It came out in like a few years ago, and there's a
• 50:37
  music video where like the camera just feed the machine. Yeah, feed the
• 50:42
  machine. How does it go? Can you can you give us a little
• 50:45
  taste just off the cuff? Honestly I don't. I don't even know it
• 50:51
  that well, but I wanted. I'm trying to think of guilty pleasure artists
• 50:53
  and I'm like, well, Nickelback, it's a great song. Of course,
• 50:57
  I know their classics. You know, look at you know? How
• 51:01
  about this? Okay kind of cyberpunky. Yeah, hey this is good.
• 51:13
  It does kind of have a metal vine, doesn't it. Yeah? That
• 51:15
  one that is actually and then not anymore. And then and then it's just
• 51:24
  him with like Mark Daman is getting a little it's so weird, like the
• 51:36
  guitars are like this is so metal, and then like tat Krona comes in
• 51:38
  and the like don't think of it metal at all? Yeah, but the
• 51:42
  courts is the course is still radio. You know it all right? It's
• 51:51
  honestly kind of like they listened to thrice and they kind of wanted to rip.
• 51:55
  Of course, that's definitely them trying to be serious that that bass that
• 52:00
  bass tone is actually pretty cool. I think that one was pretty sick.
• 52:04
  So you know, we'll go with Nickelback. I mean, I don't even
• 52:07
  know Guilty other Guilty Pleasures. It's not it's just not guilty. But like
• 52:12
  as far as I guess, you know, in the pop world, I
• 52:15
  love Carly Ray jebson Guilty Pleasure. Okay does that count? Okay? What's
• 52:21
  the record? Dedication? Dedicated? Sure he needs me on it? I
• 52:29
  love that song he Needs Justin Jones when you need him. Yeah, he's
• 52:32
  a total wait no here, she's got what were the options here? Everything
• 52:44
  he Needs by Carli Ray Jebson one of my favorite songs ever, super poppy.
• 52:51
  It's she has a lot of like really really catchy, really sexy songs
• 52:59
  on that record. She is great at getting like that earworm she like she
• 53:04
  is like a master at the like even call Me Maybe is still like such
• 53:08
  an earworm song where even if you oh yeah, it's like and it gets
• 53:13
  just it's stuck in your mind. Any Carli ray Jebson fan will repeat We'll
• 53:17
  say this, but I do have to be clear call me maybe. I
• 53:22
  know it's fair. I know it's a great it's famous song, but that
• 53:25
  like, oh my god, she has so much better songs than that,
• 53:28
  Like trust me, just listen to her twenty nineteen record Dedicated. If you
• 53:31
  haven't, you know what I'm talking about. It is just if you're looking
• 53:36
  for that like kind of you know, bubblegum pop sound, she does it
• 53:40
  the best. She she is very good at it, all right. So
• 53:45
  we've got cyberpunk, Nickelback and Carli ray Jepson. Are there a couple others
• 53:51
  that are like you'd be made fun of? Well, So we were talking
• 53:53
  about the system of a down qualify because I know half half of the people
• 54:00
  I feel like on the internet definitely feel like it's probably kind of ridiculous music.
• 54:04
  Yeah, talking about pizza pies and stuff. What is pie? It's
• 54:13
  so good? And it is Also their message is very political and you know,
• 54:16
  taught a lot about their Armenian genocide and stuff. So I I don't
• 54:22
  know, but I'll say them just because it's like it is they have some
• 54:27
  some very ridiculous songs about cocaine. And they are a band where, let's
• 54:31
  say they were like purely kind of like a Blink one eighty two goofy band,
• 54:37
  they probably wouldn't have actually gotten as big because I don't think they would
• 54:40
  have like ever gotten the fact that they needed to to, like because they
• 54:45
  had such a weird metal sound like they in terms of like bands in that
• 54:47
  kind of alternative metal world, they are such a weird sounding band that if
• 54:52
  they were purely just like a kind of a like a mean goofy band,
• 54:58
  I don't think they would have gotten the respect that they just But the fact
• 55:00
  that they were like we're all Arminion and we're going to talk about like how
• 55:04
  all of our ancestors were killed in this genocide. Like I think that immediately
• 55:07
  got people to be like, oh, we should probably like actually think highly
• 55:12
  of this band. There's once time about System of Down with Mitch, who
• 55:16
  writes most of our music, and he made the point that, like,
• 55:20
  if that band was not mixed and produced perfectly, they would sound so bad
• 55:24
  because the individual parts of it. It's like something you hear when people are
• 55:29
  super drunk at a bar and it's like there's no life, but then it
• 55:31
  all comes together and the best music is like that, the best music you
• 55:35
  can't take layer by layer back and it's still cool. The best music.
• 55:38
  The layers individually aren't that cool. They don't make that much sense, and
• 55:43
  then it all happens and then it's great. Yeah, well that's Rick Rubin
• 55:49
  for you too. I mean, yeah, for real, I just does
• 55:52
  it. So here's a question, though, and it's something that I never
• 55:55
  I never once thought that System of Down was a new metal band, but
• 55:59
  I've been hearing people call them a new metal, new metal band, and
• 56:02
  I'm I guess I'm confused. It's very era based. It's a very era
• 56:07
  thing because it's like the era of which they came up, they like were
• 56:10
  kind of they were too metal to just be called rock, but it wasn't
• 56:15
  like actually metal music. So then I guess it gets through because new metal
• 56:19
  means deaf Tones and Limbiscuit, and you're like, what the Fuck's that's very
• 56:23
  different. I guess I just never like saw them in like the same the
• 56:28
  same category or like the same like kind of like I could see Deaft Tones
• 56:31
  and limp Biscuit playing at the same show potentially nowadays, because there's nerds and
• 56:37
  there's Reddit, we have like actual sub genres that like might you know,
• 56:43
  tell you what to expect. But like back then, I think there it
• 56:46
  was also just it was like music was better because people were better and they
• 56:52
  weren't like drunk on categories which are like genre, very meaningless, very unhelpful
• 56:59
  forms of life enguage. True, That's why I always describe System of Down
• 57:02
  as alternative metal, even though I even that isn't exactly like the best description
• 57:07
  for them. But they definitely weren't a new metal by any means. Like
• 57:10
  they definitely did not sound like Weep Biscuit or or early even Tones yeah,
• 57:15
  or yeah even early deaf Tones or even yeah like Lincoln Park. They like,
• 57:20
  it seemed like they had their own category music that they were doing that
• 57:22
  nobody else was trying to rip off. They're they're like psychic trash, you
• 57:27
  know, That's how I would call it. Yeah, yeah, they're a
• 57:30
  weird band, but yeah, I can totally see how like some people probably
• 57:34
  would think of them as a guilty pleasure, but at the same time,
• 57:37
  like they're probably were like a huge cred band in a lot of ways too.
• 57:40
  Yeah, they are to me. They are and I've always been open
• 57:45
  about loving them and their influence to me. But I know that I just
• 57:49
  see them get clowned enough on Twitter that I thought, hey, maybe I
• 57:52
  you know, maybe I could. I think I think I thought of a
• 57:55
  new qualifier for this. They're a guilty pleasure if you would not put a
• 58:00
  bumper sticker of their band on the back of your car, Okay, And
• 58:02
  I don't think I would put a bumper sticker of System of Down on the
• 58:06
  back of my car. Yeah, I know, neither would I. I
• 58:08
  feel like Tools like that too for you. Tools definitely, like I love
• 58:12
  Tool, but I would never put a toolsticker on the Yeah, the tool.
• 58:15
  You also have the issue of like the fan base just that's why they
• 58:20
  saw it. And it's the worst band name ever. Yeah, yeah,
• 58:25
  it is pretty When I was when I was in college, tool was definitely
• 58:31
  like the primary derogatory term to describe someone who like, yeah, they were
• 58:37
  like cool fucking tool bag. Yeahola our favorite word to use. So it
• 58:44
  is funny you think a band's called Tools, Yeah you tool? Yeah,
• 58:50
  all right, so we got System of Down as well. Last one,
• 58:52
  like, is there is there another artist that you can think of that You're
• 58:54
  like, the guys in my band are going to make fun of me for
• 58:58
  it, or my friends are going to make fun of me for listening to
• 59:00
  this, or maybe you actually truly do feel guilty about listening to them.
• 59:04
  But any other artists they can think of? Dude, there's there's select albums.
• 59:10
  Okay, well here's this. I mean, my first concert was weird
• 59:15
  Ow when I was a kid, and I don't listen to them now,
• 59:17
  but I still appreciate weird now even more so. Probably Okay, Newfound Glory,
• 59:22
  Some forty one, Newfound Glory and Cartel, some Mike, some kind
• 59:28
  of early pop punk stuff. Yeah, Some forty one less poppy, but
• 59:34
  some of the early that pop punk stuff that I still like to listen to,
• 59:37
  which is funny because I don't really enjoy modern pop punk. And then
• 59:42
  I just realized, because like, I'm old and that was my world of
• 59:45
  pop punk that I got introduced to when I was twelve or thirteen. But
• 59:49
  I still love to listen to a lot of that stuff, I think.
• 59:52
  I think Some forty one is a great example there. I saw Some forty
• 59:57
  one at a festival and I never more embarrassed to be at the festival than
• 1:00:01
  when I was listening to them. And I do like a lot of songs,
• 1:00:06
  but like I was super embarrassed to be there. I was like,
• 1:00:08
  oh my god, I'm watching this right now. Yeah. Yeah, I
• 1:00:15
  mean we were on work with them once and I I would see him all
• 1:00:20
  the time and I'd be like, damn, that's the guy from some forty
• 1:00:22
  one. Like it was definitely like the craziest thing with seeing him or newfound
• 1:00:29
  glory. But yeah, you know, I wish maybe I need more guilty
• 1:00:34
  pleasures, you know, maybe I need to learn how to enjoy MGK or
• 1:00:37
  like I find even a love for Blink one eighty two. You know,
• 1:00:42
  you go to be honest, to be honest, when Blink one eighty two
• 1:00:46
  announces like their comebacks and they do all this like gimmicking marketing where they're like
• 1:00:50
  stealing from like kind of the actual culture of punk. I'm always just kind
• 1:00:54
  of like I don't like Blink one eighty two at all, and I don't
• 1:00:57
  feel bad about it anymore. I think I used to not really dig them,
• 1:01:00
  but I I would never say that because they're like the legendary punk band.
• 1:01:05
  But now that they do all this like you know, what the fuck's
• 1:01:08
  up Denny's. Yeah, they do all this like cop shit. I'm like,
• 1:01:12
  oh, I don't know. I guess I can say I don't like
• 1:01:14
  Lincoln too. Now. They definitely are trying to be They're trying to force
• 1:01:19
  themselves into being like a cred band without actually having that respect of being a
• 1:01:23
  cred band. You know, like the fact that they had like Turnstile uh
• 1:01:28
  for that last tour opening for them. It's like, Oh, they're really
• 1:01:30
  trying to like get you know, become cred among that crowd of people who
• 1:01:35
  clearly think, you know, Turnstiles like this cred band or whatever. And
• 1:01:37
  then you know the whole like what you know, what the fuck is up
• 1:01:39
  Denny's like thing, It's like, you guys are just trying to be cred
• 1:01:43
  and uh, I don't know, like you're just forcing yourself and you just
• 1:01:46
  you can't force yourself to be like a cred band. Yeah, agreed,
• 1:01:51
  Agreed, And I think too, like, I mean they are just their
• 1:01:54
  legacy band, you know, and uh, they that that's why they exist
• 1:02:00
  and that's okay, you know, there's nothing wrong with that. I mean
• 1:02:04
  that they have healthcare. I'm sure I'm happy for them, you know,
• 1:02:09
  that's all good, But I can't say I love them, even though I
• 1:02:13
  do appreciate that one homie, you know, talking about aliens and stuff.
• 1:02:16
  Yeah, I don't know how much that like to the Stars Academy is really
• 1:02:22
  gonna is really what's helping. But anyways, Yeah, here's my like funny
• 1:02:25
  Blank Winity two story. A number of years ago, like four or five
• 1:02:29
  years ago, I met this guy here in Minneapolis who like knew all of
• 1:02:32
  the guys in that pump pop punk scene, and he was a ghost writer
• 1:02:37
  for them, Like he had ghost written like all of this like main album.
• 1:02:39
  He like very like very consistently ghost writed for Tom DeLong and Blank eighty
• 1:02:45
  two and and so he like knew Tom really well. Like he was like,
• 1:02:50
  oh, I could text him right now if like I wanted to.
• 1:02:52
  So, I like I asked him, like, is the alien stuff like
• 1:02:54
  legit or is he just like trying to like pull a fast one or whatever.
• 1:02:58
  He's like, oh no, no, like that. He is one
• 1:03:00
  hundred percent in the Alien show. Oh he's absolutely invested. Have you ever
• 1:03:06
  heard him interviews about it? I mean he is like he's knows a ship.
• 1:03:09
  Yeah, he knows a ship. He's yeah, he's one hundred percent
• 1:03:13
  into it. And that's like, that's honestly my favorite thing about Blank twenty
• 1:03:16
  two, to be honest, because it's not he's not the music, but
• 1:03:22
  but I I, you know, I know some of the songs for sure,
• 1:03:23
  you know, definitely loved them when I was nine or ten, all
• 1:03:28
  the small things, you know, I feel like a lot of like guilty
• 1:03:32
  pleasures are like that. It's like you loved him at like nine or ten,
• 1:03:35
  and they just it like continues to be a song you love to this
• 1:03:38
  day like that. You know, it was like Adams. I thought Adam's
• 1:03:40
  song was pretty good. Oh no, that's a legit, Like that's a
• 1:03:44
  really good song. It's very I like that one song. Jarrett. I'm
• 1:03:47
  glad that you're speaking truth to power too, because I felt like I was
• 1:03:51
  the only one that actually stated that I don't like Blankewin Edie two ever.
• 1:03:57
  Yeah, I dude, for me, it's like, why would I listen
• 1:04:00
  to Blank money too if I could listen to some forty one? I like
• 1:04:02
  that way? Yeah, I agree, and I'm still embarrassed by that.
• 1:04:06
  So yeah, man, take you back Sunday listening to them again recently.
• 1:04:15
  That's not bad. That's good stuff and brand I know, brand news cancels,
• 1:04:18
  but good songs, right, Yeah, yeah, Garrett, what do
• 1:04:24
  you want to plug? Obviously new album is out to where stuff is going
• 1:04:28
  to be coming up here soon. Yeah? What what do you want to
• 1:04:30
  tell the people about what you got going on? Nothing? I want to
• 1:04:34
  come over. Yeah, we have a we have a tour coming up.
• 1:04:44
  Uh, we're gonna announce it on Wednesday. Wednesday, not not Wednesday,
• 1:04:49
  so it's gonna be after now, Okay, So actually, welcome to the
• 1:04:54
  future where we have an a tour that's been announced with Thornhill and Johnny Booth
• 1:05:01
  and Avianna oh Man, cool bands bands that we love. Thornhill has been
• 1:05:08
  my favorite band in the like modern kind of metal space them in Loath for
• 1:05:15
  quite some time, so really excited for that. Avianna is a cool band
• 1:05:19
  from Sweden who is gonna be rad and come over. And Johnny Booth is
• 1:05:29
  from upstate New York and they are definitely one of the sleeper album of the
• 1:05:34
  year rockers called Moments Elsewhere. So it's gonna be a great tour We're gonna
• 1:05:42
  be playing super Bloom in full, We're gonna be playing a bunch of other
• 1:05:46
  songs of ours. We're gonna be playing some obscure ones, some old ones,
• 1:05:50
  and obviously all the new stuff and maybe even some newer stuff, some
• 1:05:56
  jam sessions, and gonna be some planets. It's going to be fun.
• 1:06:00
  So that's what That's the main thing that we got coming up that I'm excited
• 1:06:04
  about. That's January through February and excited for that. Then after that we'll
• 1:06:15
  be heading over to Europe to support our friends in a band called Polaris who
• 1:06:20
  rock stuff. We're going to play some shows with them. Thorn Hill will
• 1:06:24
  also be on that, and Pale Dusk from Japan, who's one of the
• 1:06:28
  most energetic insane bands ever. Look up their music video right now if you
• 1:06:32
  can look look up Black Ice is the name of the song by Pale Dusk
• 1:06:39
  Insane. Their music videos are like I've just never seen anything like it.
• 1:06:44
  Love them a cool band, Very excited, So going to play a lot
• 1:06:46
  of shows. I'm going to be working on some new music and if you
• 1:06:51
  are a fan of Silent Planet, you'll be finding some different documents making their
• 1:06:57
  way to the surface as they become deep classified, so you are interested in
• 1:07:03
  declassified documents and maybe learning more about the story behind Super Bloom. I like
• 1:07:10
  it. Yeah, So that sounds fun. That sounds almost alien like it
• 1:07:15
  is. It is alien in nature, though there's not someone giving birth on
• 1:07:19
  a spaceship in nineteen seventy nine. Yeah. Yes, maybe in like twenty
• 1:07:25
  twenty nine or twenty twenty nine. Yeah, yeah, there we go.
• 1:07:30
  Anything else you'd like to plug? You know. The other thing I'd like
• 1:07:33
  to plug is the fact that I've been receiving documents in the mail for quite
• 1:07:39
  some time from the CIA saying that I have to cease all activity otherwise they're
• 1:07:45
  going to try to destroy me. So are you Russell Crowe? I'm roughly
• 1:07:48
  related to Russell Crowe in a very rough sense, really dang, yeah,
• 1:07:55
  like rough around the edges, or like like brother. I think twice.
• 1:08:00
  I think their third cousins. Okay, I believe twenty three and meters seems
• 1:08:05
  to be suggesting that we're we are related on some level, which is funny
• 1:08:10
  because you wonder at some point maybe there was a dyslexic nurse or something just
• 1:08:14
  happened and that the names got switched. Okay, the more along the way.
• 1:08:18
  Holy cow, how would the CIA even destroy you? I mean,
• 1:08:21
  you're you're I mean, you are a very well built man who clearly can
• 1:08:27
  like scream. But what are they going to do to you? They've destroyed
• 1:08:30
  nations, Nathan Amazon, Come on now, Yeah, they just uh well
• 1:08:35
  did they find out that you were a socialist? And they were like,
• 1:08:39
  oh fuck no, they found out that I can turn chopsticks into weapons and
• 1:08:46
  send them through the air like uh, like knives throwing knives. Yeah,
• 1:08:51
  holy buckets. Damn. Yeah, I'm staying from you. I don't know
• 1:08:55
  if I've told you this, Colin. I actually got shot with a shish
• 1:08:59
  kabob stick one which is close to a you know, someone close somewhat close
• 1:09:02
  to a chopstick. But I got shot by a round. I had a
• 1:09:08
  friend that put a shish kabob stick down the barrel of a BB gun.
• 1:09:12
  It fit perfectly down the barrel of a BB gun. He cocked it,
• 1:09:15
  thinking what it would just like pop out. Nope, that thing fucking poop
• 1:09:18
  and stuck into my arm. I was like in sixth grade, Yeah,
• 1:09:23
  it hit me. It stuck in my arm. It was about like an
• 1:09:25
  inch deep in my arm and I just pulled it out. I was like,
• 1:09:27
  dude, what the fuck? And I didn't want to tell my mom
• 1:09:30
  that he shot me, so like I like sort of was trying to hit
• 1:09:33
  like hide it. And then one day, you know again, I was
• 1:09:36
  like in sixth grade or whatever, I like had my shirt off and there
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  was like a big bruise and like kind of a like a wound of it.
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  Still. It was like a week later, and my mom was like,
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  what is that? And I was like, oh fuck. I got
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  to like either figure out how to lie this right now, like which I
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  have not playing a story around I'm gonna lie about this, or I just
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  like need to come come like true about it. So I just like told
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  my mom like the truth that yeah, like my friend Cole shot me with
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  a bb gune with a shish kabob stick. I have a weirdly similar story.
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  But on my tour so and it's like, oh damn, can you
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  pull it up at Oh oh yeah, can you pull up the other side
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  of your shirt please? I'd love to get this demonetized if possible. We
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  can't do David stag like that. David Stagnan's you know, make a little
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  bit of money from this. I don't. I love David. I haven't
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  talked to him a while. I got to catch up with that guy.
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  But yeah, stab wound, same thing. My buddy had a spear and
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  I got like stabbed with it. I bled a lot. Fuck very Jesus,
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  just screwing around with sharp projects with your friends. Yeah, do you
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  ask for a sponge of vinegar too? Or what? Yeah? Only water
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  came out and then all of a sudden, I speaking different languages. Great,
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  totally normal times growing up. Been reading California. Know what reading California
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  is? Jesus, you know you know about reading California. Mason, that's
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  right, Yeah, yeah, the good old Tommy Green, Sleeping Giant,
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  the Bethel, Yeah, Bethyl, Yeah that's right, Yeah, Bethel,
• 1:11:16
  that's already supernatural ministry. That's right, that's wild. That's my that's my
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  Hey, one last thing before you before you go, Garrett. I don't
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  know, Mason, maybe you have this problem to Maybe Garrett, you might
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  even have this problem. Every single time I type in the silent planet,
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  I always forget the e and planet, so it writes silent plant. And
• 1:11:38
  then the first thing I think of is is like all of the plants that
• 1:11:42
  are like a really, what's that? I think When I think of silent
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  plant, I think of all of them. They're all silent, Like I've
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  yet to hear a plant. So you fall in the hole. If a
• 1:11:51
  tree falls in the woods, it doesn't make it sound. You're on that
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  side of the camp. Okay, Well, my first thought is always like
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  a sound Garden kind of thing, like, oh, it's like, it's
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  like a ripoff of sound Garden. It's just silent plant. Though, I'm
• 1:12:06
  sure we are a rip off of sound Garden, the sound Garden, you
• 1:12:11
  know, sound silent Garden plant. You know, it's a it's like the
• 1:12:15
  cover band. You guys are kind of a little bit of a sound Garden
• 1:12:17
  cover band. You kind of look like Chris Cornell way more than Chad Kroger,
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  I'll tell you that much. Can you dig it all the where?
• 1:12:29
  I'm just kidding. I know that sounds. I just thought I would ruin
• 1:12:32
  the mood. Yeah, rest in peace. Great singer, great, great
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  performer, oh the best. Don't really know anything else, but I'm sure
• 1:12:44
  a great human. Too many people too, Yeah, I mean I Colin,
• 1:12:47
  I totally see the resemblance. He totally, especially the beard. The
• 1:12:50
  beard is really you know, if you're ever going to do if you're ever
• 1:12:57
  going to do a cover Jesus Christ, pose would be a great cover and
• 1:13:02
  you guys could like redo the music video and you could look just like him
• 1:13:06
  in the desert doing that cool show. People would get so mad, Oh,
• 1:13:12
  but it'd be amazing. It'd be amazing. Everybody except Colin would be
• 1:13:16
  mad. Yeah, maybe we'll just make it for you and and the agreement
• 1:13:20
  is we'll do it, but only you can see it, Okay. I
• 1:13:25
  mean if Greta, if Greta van Fleet can do all these uh uh led
• 1:13:30
  Zeppelin covers that aren't quote unquote led Zeppelin covers and and and everyone loves them.
• 1:13:33
  I don't see why everyone woe love you. No, because because because
• 1:13:40
  soccer moms go to Greta Van Fleet shows, they don't cancel people, they
• 1:13:45
  give them their money. In my world, people don't give you money,
• 1:13:48
  they cancel you. You got to get into that soccer mom market, then
• 1:13:57
  I guess, yeah, fuck your shirt on, son, I'm worried you're
• 1:14:02
  on the time job. But yeah, we'll see I love it, uh,
• 1:14:08
  Garrett, with all of that said, new album is fantastic. It's
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  definitely gonna be on our top five Albums of the Year list. It's so
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  fucking good. So thanks for so much for chatting a little bit about it
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  and then like literally hanging out and talking about whatever it is that we end
• 1:14:23
  up doing, you know, and thinking about when we hang out. But
• 1:14:27
  right all the things. I had a good time, and I say we
• 1:14:30
  make this at least like you know, bi annual or something. At least
• 1:14:38
  at least I'm in. Yeah, you just want to be our third host.
• 1:14:43
  I mean, you have my digits, So thank you for having me. Eight