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Patriots Unfiltered 7/25: Day 2 Direct from Training Camp, OT Calvin Anderson Interview · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 3: Hello, and welcome today too of Patriots training camp. I'm
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  Speaker 3: Fred Kirsch and we're coming to you live from Jellette Stadium.
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  Speaker 3: The practice feels behind the stadium. We'll be here for
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  Speaker 3: the duration of practice. It's myself, Paul Parrillo, Evan Lazar,
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  Speaker 3: Mike Dus, Tamara Brown, and well, here we are on
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  Speaker 3: day two, guys, and whether it's holding out, doesn't look
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  Speaker 3: like it's gonna rain today, so it looks like a
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  Speaker 3: great another great day for practice here at Jellette Stadium.
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  Speaker 4: Sun trying to peek out a little bit maybe, but
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  Speaker 4: I think the players getting a little bit of a break.
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  Speaker 4: Heare early in camp without the sun bearing down on them.
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  Speaker 4: That sound like next week will be a hot though,
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  Speaker 4: once the pads come on, so that might that might
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  Speaker 4: be beneficial get some work in.
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  Speaker 5: But I think it's you know, favorable conditions here first
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  Speaker 5: couple of days.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yesterday full attendance.
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  Speaker 6: You know, we've yet to take attendance yet.
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  Speaker 3: Players are trickling out on the field as we speak,
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  Speaker 3: as you know, you can see us. We should probably
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  Speaker 3: get a camera on the on those arrivals, shouldn't we.
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  Speaker 3: There we go, there's Drake May, David Andrews, two of
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  Speaker 3: the first on the field. I can tell you that
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  Speaker 3: Michael Jordan was the first person on the field today,
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  Speaker 3: not that, not that Michael Jordan, our Michael Jordan.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, so we should. We should also, just because we
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  Speaker 5: talked a little bit about it yesterday when Gerardmeo spoke,
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  Speaker 5: he sort of led us to believe they wouldn't be
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  Speaker 5: in pads until around the middle of next week. I
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  Speaker 5: guess there was a little bit of confusion. He said
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  Speaker 5: seven practices, He meant seven days, right, So the first
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  Speaker 5: day that they can be in pads is Monday, and
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  Speaker 5: that is the expectation, Okay, that they will be in
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  Speaker 5: full pads on Monday. So I want to make sure
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  Speaker 5: that we clear that up for all of our loyal listeners.
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  Speaker 3: I heard you, Paul on one of your shows yesterday,
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  Speaker 3: you know, putting out bad information.
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  Speaker 5: You know that's not true. Oh yeah, no, you had
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  Speaker 5: to do a correction because the coach had to be corrected. Okay,
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  Speaker 5: not me.
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  Speaker 3: Anyway. Yeah, Paul was on with his guys in the afternoon.
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  Speaker 3: I had to go on with Paul's guys.
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  Speaker 5: I heard you this morning, some Jaws tribute this morning.
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  Speaker 6: You know, I used to be.
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  Speaker 4: The hoodie guy and I'm becoming the Joss tribute.
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  Speaker 5: And I went four for four on Josh Tribuna.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, although you didn't know how long it took to
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  Speaker 3: build the Mechanically.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, Holly got me on that one. Fred Bruce
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  Speaker 4: Bruce Evan. You know you're not allowed to talk right
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  Speaker 4: now about this movie.
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  Speaker 7: Right, the Mechanical Shark. We Never Die.
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  Speaker 5: As Samara would say, I can't even I.
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  Speaker 8: Can't even be perfect Paul.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, uh, you know, just uh reflecting a little
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  Speaker 4: bit upon yesterday.
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  Speaker 9: Uh.
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  Speaker 5: I thought it was I thought it was a pretty
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  Speaker 5: good start.
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  Speaker 4: But you know, I think a lot of a lot
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  Speaker 4: was made of you know, a couple of throws that
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  Speaker 4: Drake made.
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  Speaker 5: A lot was made. Yeah, yeah, I was one of
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  Speaker 5: the ones making a lot of them. I'll be I'm
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  Speaker 5: guilty as charged.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think that kind of feeds into what
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  Speaker 4: what I kind of suspect will happen during camp, which
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  Speaker 4: is those kind of plays will get a lot of attention,
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  Speaker 4: and you know, we we we really won't be highlighting
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  Speaker 4: or maybe even aware of what Jacoby Brissette is doing,
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  Speaker 4: so uh, continue to watch. I mean, it's always fine.
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  Speaker 4: Like I got home last night and like, man, this
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  Speaker 4: is cool. We get to go do it again today.
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  Speaker 4: There's so many guys that, like, I feel like I,
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  Speaker 4: you know, didn't really get to clock as much as
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  Speaker 4: I would have liked to.
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  Speaker 5: So uh, these first few days are as exciting as
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  Speaker 5: it is. The first day. I feel like I still
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  Speaker 5: say second day excitement.
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  Speaker 3: We may not know or pay much attention to what
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  Speaker 3: Jacoby bris said, let's make a commitment to our listeners
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  Speaker 3: and viewers that on this show Patriots Unfiltered, even when
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  Speaker 3: we get back to the studio, we will pay attention,
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  Speaker 3: Yeah to not only what Jacoby bris said does, but
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  Speaker 3: Bailey Zappy and Joe Milton. Yeah, well we'll give it
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  Speaker 3: all to you straight up.
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  Speaker 10: I'll be interested to see out of the wide receivers,
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  Speaker 10: who's going to be the most consistent, Like obviously yesterday
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  Speaker 10: was Jalen Raigers. You know that one catch down the
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  Speaker 10: scene one handed hit another one from.
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  Speaker 8: Drake May as well.
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  Speaker 10: But I'm wondering is it going to be him again
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  Speaker 10: today or is someone else going to step up and
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  Speaker 10: be in the spotlight stuck and stuck.
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  Speaker 3: I would guess that somebody else will will have their
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  Speaker 3: moment and the to shine.
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  Speaker 5: That was one of the things that kind of stood
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  Speaker 5: out was like, so you try to a little pre
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  Speaker 5: practice working with the offensive lineman trying to catch punts
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  Speaker 5: not going well. One of the things though that stood out.
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  Speaker 5: You know, you try to chart the reps right, not
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  Speaker 5: necessarily how many, but you know, more importantly with who
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  Speaker 5: are those reps coming? And uh, you know Brissett, you know,
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  Speaker 5: we talked about the line that started yesterday and then
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  Speaker 5: when May went in, it was a different offensive line.
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  Speaker 5: The wide receivers to me are just and out. There
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  Speaker 5: is no real like because you want to know, like
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  Speaker 5: you wanted to say, well, that's telling because May through
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  Speaker 5: to X. There is no X, like. Everybody is just
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  Speaker 5: in and out of different formations with different personnel groups.
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  Speaker 5: The receiver, you know, it was a lot of polk,
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  Speaker 5: It was a lot of rager, It was a lot
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  Speaker 5: of juju, It was a lot of Baker, you know,
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  Speaker 5: like sprinkling authority, the only one like do Mario Douglas
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  Speaker 5: didn't really take a lot of reps yesterday. It looks
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  Speaker 5: like he might be dealing with something physically. But other
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  Speaker 5: than that, those wide receivers, it's hard to tell exactly
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  Speaker 5: how the depth chart looks right other than they're just
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  Speaker 5: in and out cost other.
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  Speaker 4: Than like David Wallace, Kawan Baker, Chaque Jackson, like those
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  Speaker 4: three guys who are kind of at the bottom, didn't
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  Speaker 4: really see much of them with with those upper guys
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  Speaker 4: notes we.
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  Speaker 7: Have we have an Antonio Gibson sighting Hey uniform, so
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  Speaker 7: it looks like he's ago.
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  Speaker 5: That's basically what jar Odd said yesterday. He didn't anticipate
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  Speaker 5: that being a long term thing.
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  Speaker 3: Speaking of what you're on that, can I give you
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  Speaker 3: the nittiest of nitpicks.
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  Speaker 6: Sure, this is a real nitty nitpickt So.
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  Speaker 3: We had to run wired up for sound yesterday, and
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  Speaker 3: if you went on Patriots dot com or really any
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  Speaker 3: of our platforms on.
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  Speaker 6: Social you heard you saw a little scissorreel.
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  Speaker 3: After the first day of practice and at the end
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  Speaker 3: of practice the team gets together and jerrobbers in the middle,
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  Speaker 3: and he said, good first day, Good first day, harmless, right,
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  Speaker 3: although I'm gonna really nitpick it really isn't the first day.
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  Speaker 6: For the team.
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  Speaker 3: They've been out here on and off the field since April,
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  Speaker 3: really practicing, So I wouldn't want players to have the
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  Speaker 3: excuse that, oh, it's just the first day. No, you
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  Speaker 3: should be at a certain level by this time, you know,
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  Speaker 3: between all the OTAs and the mini camps and everything else.
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  Speaker 3: They do that so that when you get to this day,
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  Speaker 3: it's not really the first day.
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  Speaker 6: You have a lot under your belt already.
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  Speaker 3: So just a real nitpick, but you know, hammering home
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  Speaker 3: that guys, you should be at a certain point now,
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  Speaker 3: and if you're not, then you're behind, because this isn't
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  Speaker 3: really the first day. So I just just a real nitpick,
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  Speaker 3: That's all I wanted to point out.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I wonder, I wonder how they feel,
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  Speaker 4: how the players feel if they do feel like it's
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  Speaker 4: a continuation or you know, for some of that. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: I know the rookies have been here for what already
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  Speaker 4: like a week or so, you know, I mean, those
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  Speaker 4: are the important ones, but I got to imagine that
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  Speaker 4: for the rookies. This still feels pretty novel, even if
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  Speaker 4: they've been through kind of OTAs. I would imagine that
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  Speaker 4: the intensity has ramped up here in the last couple
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  Speaker 4: of days. And you know, there's no real I feel
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  Speaker 4: like it's what the train is leaving the station. I
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  Speaker 4: think is as Bill used to say, like and either
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  Speaker 4: got to get on the train or get off.
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  Speaker 3: So but in terms of the process, it's anything but
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  Speaker 3: the first day, you know. So, I just I just
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  Speaker 3: wanted to get that out there. Yeah, again, real nitty.
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  Speaker 7: But I have a little nitpick myself.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, okay, we're picking nits here, a little nitpick.
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  Speaker 7: Nobody cares about Jacobea.
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  Speaker 6: That's not a nitpick.
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  Speaker 7: That's a nobody cares top of the show. I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 7: just it is not important. It is irrelevant. Well, like
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  Speaker 7: it just is. Yeah, And I understand that until something
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  Speaker 7: changes and Girodd tells us differently or we see something
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  Speaker 7: different with our eyes that he is the starting quarterback.
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  Speaker 7: But how long are we going to continue that charge?
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  Speaker 6: I get what I get what you're saying.
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  Speaker 3: In terms of the investment that they made, the future
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  Speaker 3: has to be Drake. May you know that's and and
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  Speaker 3: Jacoby Brissette was brought in here as a placeholder.
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  Speaker 6: That's just the.
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  Speaker 3: Way it has to be, given that they used the
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  Speaker 3: third overall pick on Drake May.
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  Speaker 6: So I get what you're saying, but it's.
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  Speaker 7: No offense to Jacoby Brissett. I'm not trying to come
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  Speaker 7: off as I'm sure he didn't take it as being rude
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  Speaker 7: about it. I just I just am wondering, and it's
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  Speaker 7: it's the right thing to do, it's the right thing
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  Speaker 7: to say. And I remember talking to Drake May's high
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  Speaker 7: school coach and he said they did the same thing
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  Speaker 7: with him in high school where they had an upper
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  Speaker 7: classman that was technically ahead of him on the depth chart.
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  Speaker 7: They went up to the upper classmen like a week
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  Speaker 7: before the first game of the season and says, guess
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  Speaker 7: what we're gonna go with Drake right, And I'm just
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  Speaker 7: wondering at what point we get to that, because every
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  Speaker 7: time we watch these guys play, the eyes tell you
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  Speaker 7: that one guy is superior to the other. Now, is
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  Speaker 7: Drake May going to be ready to run the huddle?
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  Speaker 7: Is he going to be ready to relay plays audible?
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  Speaker 7: All the mental side of it. Well, we'll see, But
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  Speaker 7: you would think by six weeks into training camp, when
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  Speaker 7: we get to September, that he should be ready to
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  Speaker 7: do those types of things.
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  Speaker 3: That's my prediction. But like you said, there's a lot
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  Speaker 3: that the coaches know and see that we don't. It
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  Speaker 3: might look good to us, but maybe he did the
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  Speaker 3: completely wrong thing. We have no idea about that because
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  Speaker 3: we don't know really how a play is supposed to.
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  Speaker 6: Develop and end up.
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  Speaker 7: Uh.
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  Speaker 6: But my opinion is that.
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  Speaker 3: If if May does those things correctly, he will be
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  Speaker 3: the Week one starter.
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  Speaker 8: I agree for it, and I think the ball is
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  Speaker 8: in his court.
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  Speaker 10: I think that if he keeps up with his mechanics
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  Speaker 10: and the things that they've been trying to work on
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  Speaker 10: with him throughout all of spring, and he doesn't go backwards,
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  Speaker 10: I think the ball is in his court and he
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  Speaker 10: has the opportunity to take the starting spot away from
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  Speaker 10: Jacoby Brissette.
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  Speaker 6: Yep, yep.
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  Speaker 4: I wonder if Jacoby Prissette's trying to think he can
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  Speaker 4: thread the needle of they win a bunch of games
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  Speaker 4: right out of the gate. I mean, that's really the
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  Speaker 4: only way he holds onto his job, right, I mean,
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  Speaker 4: that's the only way that he kind of stays in there,
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  Speaker 4: is that they have to click and win games behind him, right.
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  Speaker 6: That or that May doesn't progress in practice.
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  Speaker 10: I was going to say, like, but if Jacoby Brissett
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  Speaker 10: does come out and win the first five, yeah, are
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  Speaker 10: you more concerned with you know, your wins and losses?
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  Speaker 8: Then are you? Are you looking at hey my quarterback
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  Speaker 8: hasn't developed though?
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  Speaker 5: It's so hard.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I mean, you know, five, five is I mean,
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  Speaker 4: that's that seems extreme to me.
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  Speaker 5: Even if it just gets to three, you know what.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, they beat since he they beat, you know,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, he's looking pretty good and they look functional.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, how do you bang the drum for Drake May?
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  Speaker 5: If they are well?
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  Speaker 3: Games? You know? Okay, So here's the you know, the
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  Speaker 3: two different scenarios, whether three or five games, fans are
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  Speaker 3: going crazy, Wow, this team's better than we thought they were.
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  Speaker 3: Jacobe Brissett's doing great. Let's keep them in there, Let's
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  Speaker 3: see what we can do with this. The other side
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  Speaker 3: of the coin is, wow, this team's better than we
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  Speaker 3: thought we are. What will it look if we put
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  Speaker 3: Drake May in there? Yeah?
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  Speaker 5: I mean that to me is the the X factor
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  Speaker 5: is how are you winning games? You know, are you're
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  Speaker 5: doing what you did last year and you're finding a
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  Speaker 5: way to win a couple. Yeah, then I have no problem.
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  Speaker 5: You know three and two, and you know May is
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  Speaker 5: far readier now than he was in the beginning of September.
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  Speaker 5: I make the move. But if it's you know, Brissett
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  Speaker 5: just lighting it up, you know you're probably going to
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  Speaker 5: keep him out there. But I just I don't have
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  Speaker 5: the optimism that you guys do that that job as
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  Speaker 5: is open now in the in the in the immediate
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  Speaker 5: short term, as you guys think it is. Yes, I
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  Speaker 5: don't think there's a lot that he can do to
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  Speaker 5: win that job.
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  Speaker 6: Brisset.
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  Speaker 3: No, May, oh, okay for opening day, for opening day.
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  Speaker 7: Out of curiosity, just like based on what like, just
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  Speaker 7: because I just think the plan.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yes, and that's what that's my concern. Yeah, And
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  Speaker 5: I'm not telling you why I agree with it. You
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  Speaker 5: know my feeling. No, I would have May playing week one. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: that's I mean. I heard Mike this morning on on
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  Speaker 5: one of Mike's shows this morning, I heard you say
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  Speaker 5: I couldn't agree with you more, and then you were
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  Speaker 5: getting little heated.
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  Speaker 4: I did get heated, Pie, I was imagining you getting jealous, like, damn,
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  Speaker 4: someone got Mike a little mad.
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  Speaker 5: It wasn't me, Paul.
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  Speaker 8: I have a question.
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  Speaker 10: Do you think the plan week one before the Eagles
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  Speaker 10: joint practice was for Cam Newton to start or do
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  Speaker 10: you think the door was just wide open for anybody
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  Speaker 10: Mack Jones rookie.
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  Speaker 5: Season, I think was Mac Jones to start that year, okay,
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  Speaker 5: And and that was mostly because of the COVID stuff
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  Speaker 5: and Cam Newton not being available. Cam Newton missed practice
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  Speaker 5: time and it allowed Mac Jones to take all the reps.
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  Speaker 5: And I think that was the plan. Once that happened,
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  Speaker 5: they didn't think that Cam was reliable.
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  Speaker 4: The other part two with Cam was I felt it
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  Speaker 4: was just so obvious that he was limited, and you know,
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  Speaker 4: and that's the same thing kind of with Mac. And
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  Speaker 4: that's I think what we're just hoping to break the
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  Speaker 4: cycle with Drake May is that he might not make it.
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  Speaker 4: But it's not gonna be because and I think I
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  Speaker 4: said this on the Ready too, it's not because he's
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  Speaker 4: not done a good enough arm, or he's not big enough,
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  Speaker 4: or he's not strong enough, Like it's gonna between the
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  Speaker 4: ears probably for him if.
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  Speaker 5: He doesn't make it.
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  Speaker 4: But you know it's just like all right, well with
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  Speaker 4: the physical boxes are checked, like I don't have to
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  Speaker 4: sit here, and you know, with like Mac or something,
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  Speaker 4: it's like, okay, he's always gonna be a little bit
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  Speaker 4: under the average athleticism that we need for a quarterback.
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  Speaker 5: That's never probably gonna change.
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  Speaker 4: So, you know, just not having those qualifiers already on
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  Speaker 4: Drake May is.
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  Speaker 5: You know, is nice.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I you know, I know we have a
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  Speaker 3: lot of people watching that don't normally watch us. I
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  Speaker 3: hope you know, now that you know we exist, would
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  Speaker 3: be maybe you will. But my take on May when
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  Speaker 3: they when he finally gets in there is I hope
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  Speaker 3: they don't make the same mistake with him that I
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  Speaker 3: think they made with Mac Jones, which is to micro
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  Speaker 3: manage him and really coddle him on the field his
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  Speaker 3: first year, not allow him to make mistakes, because I
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  Speaker 3: think we got a false sense of security with Mac
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  Speaker 3: Jones that first half of the season because they weren't
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  Speaker 3: letting him go downfield. They weren't they were really protecting
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  Speaker 3: him from turning the ball over and making mistakes. And
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  Speaker 3: experience is the best teacher. You have to know your limits,
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  Speaker 3: and the only way you know your limits is by failing.
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  Speaker 5: That's why I want him to play. I think his
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  Speaker 5: value in getting out there and making mistakes and learning
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  Speaker 5: what you can and can't do.
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  Speaker 7: That's my whole thing too. It's like, if it's all
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  Speaker 7: just to Mike's point, it's not going to be physical. No,
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  Speaker 7: it's not going to be that. Jacoby Brissett throws a
• 14:40
  Speaker 7: better ball than Drake May So if it's all just mental,
• 14:43
  Speaker 7: then part of me feels like he's not gonna be
• 14:46
  Speaker 7: able to learn those things unless he plays.
• 14:48
  Speaker 10: Right.
• 14:48
  Speaker 8: Agree.
• 14:49
  Speaker 3: You know, it's like experience isn't the only teacher, but
• 14:53
  Speaker 3: it's the best teacher.
• 14:54
  Speaker 8: I agree, Fred.
• 14:55
  Speaker 10: I mean, Josh Allen didn't become Josh Allen just by
• 14:58
  Speaker 10: going out there to It took time and he made
• 15:01
  Speaker 10: a ton of mistakes.
• 15:02
  Speaker 7: So I think, yeah, I.
• 15:04
  Speaker 3: Had same thing, more interceptions and touchdowns ye first year,
• 15:08
  Speaker 3: but the Colts knew what they had. They were patient,
• 15:11
  Speaker 3: they let him make mistakes, and then by the second
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: year he knew what he you know, what to do
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: and what not to do.
• 15:17
  Speaker 4: How do you guys remember Josh Allen's development though? Do
• 15:19
  Speaker 4: you feel like in his first couple of years, there
• 15:21
  Speaker 4: were moments where you were really questioning if he was
• 15:24
  Speaker 4: ever going to get it.
• 15:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah. His rookie year, he looked like he couldn't hit
• 15:28
  Speaker 5: the ball.
• 15:29
  Speaker 7: Yeah, his second year, he was already starting to turn
• 15:31
  Speaker 7: a corner.
• 15:31
  Speaker 6: Listen, people in Buffalo were questioning it.
• 15:33
  Speaker 5: I mean, you know, the scribe's let's be honest about
• 15:36
  Speaker 5: Josh Allen. People still question him today.
• 15:39
  Speaker 7: That's right, that's true.
• 15:40
  Speaker 6: That's true. No, but the Bills knew what they had.
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: They knew if we can just get you know, get
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: some of the inaccuracies down, limit those, he's going to
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: be a great quarterback. And they were right, and they
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: had patients and of course bringing in Dig's help. But
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: I think he would have been great even if they
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: didn't bring in Diggs, you know.
• 16:00
  Speaker 10: And I mean Josh Allen he like didn't play in
• 16:03
  Speaker 10: a conference either where like there are a bunch of powerhouses.
• 16:05
  Speaker 10: He played in the Mountain West, So it wasn't like
• 16:08
  Speaker 10: he came into the league with all this experience going
• 16:10
  Speaker 10: up against all these five star guys, right, so he
• 16:12
  Speaker 10: needed those reps.
• 16:14
  Speaker 5: Do you think we'll have that moment with Drake May?
• 16:16
  Speaker 4: Like, I mean, it's that is that part of what
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: you have to accept if you are gonna subscribe to
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: the theory that Paul and I and Evan, you know,
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: everybody's kind of seeming to play him now, but are
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: you Are you gonna have to face probably a couple
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: moments where you don't quite know if Drake mays the
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: guy because you're kind.
• 16:30
  Speaker 5: Of throwing the words, you're saying that you're gonna get blood. Yeah, yes, absolutely,
• 16:35
  Speaker 5: there's no way it's going to be a perfect CJ. Stroud,
• 16:38
  Speaker 5: like you know what, an unbelievable rookie year. Right, that's rare.
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: But to be fair, the people that are saying don't
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: start them, they're not. They're saying that because mostly the
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: line they're saying, oh, I don't want to bring him
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: out there and get him killed. Behind that line, I.
• 16:51
  Speaker 5: Think it's mostly because they don't think he's developed enough
• 16:53
  Speaker 5: to play. I mean, there was definitely people that say
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: like that. Mike almost fought someone today on the radio
• 16:59
  Speaker 5: who said, you know, the whole thing about the offensive line.
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: But a lot of people just have it in their
• 17:04
  Speaker 5: minds that it's it's hard to play as a rookie
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: and you need time to develop and Drake May's the
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: youngest out of the sixth first round picks. I agree
• 17:11
  Speaker 5: on the sixth first round quarterbacks. He's the youngest one.
• 17:14
  Speaker 5: People just think he needs to.
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: Develop a lot, need time to develop, And I say
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: develop on the field.
• 17:19
  Speaker 5: I'm with Freddy and I'd love to argue with you,
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: but I can't.
• 17:22
  Speaker 8: Paul, you brought up c J. Stroud's unbelievable rookie season.
• 17:26
  Speaker 10: It didn't start off that great, though it evolved into
• 17:29
  Speaker 10: being a great rookie season, but it didn't sirt.
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: Well the first game. Did He was pretty good in
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: the first game. Now, in the preseason when he was here,
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: we all looked at each other and yeah, they already
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: decided it's going to be him. Huh. And we thought
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: he didn't look ready, but he was. This is like
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: what I'm trying to say about not knowing when you're
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: watching practice. We watched that preseason game and we were
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: and all of us were an agreement, Like, and I
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: really like c J. Stroud I liked him coming out
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: of college. Wow, he just does not look anyway close
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: to being ready. But the coaches saw something different in
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: this every day and with those reps and They're like, no, no, no,
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: he's ready and he was closer to being ready than
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: anybody thought.
• 18:07
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I just wonder. So much of the argument for
• 18:12
  Speaker 7: sitting Drake may is based off of Patrick Mahomes, Jordan Love,
• 18:17
  Speaker 7: Aaron Rodgers. Obviously people bring up Brady even though it's
• 18:20
  Speaker 7: not apples to apples. It's all about these three outliars
• 18:24
  Speaker 7: essentially that sat early on in their careers and then
• 18:27
  Speaker 7: went on to be Hall of famers. But that's not
• 18:30
  Speaker 7: the norm like that, that's their outliers. Like those guys
• 18:34
  Speaker 7: had unique situations, don't.
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: You don't use Johnny Uns like Mike Felgerach.
• 18:42
  Speaker 7: You're literally saying that because Patrick Mahomes sat behind Alex
• 18:46
  Speaker 7: Smith and Patrick Mahomes is now the best quarterback in
• 18:49
  Speaker 7: the league. That is the only way that you can
• 18:51
  Speaker 7: go about things, just because Mahomes did it.
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: Doubt and you know how you always talk about I'll
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: die on that hill. I'll die on the hill that
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: Patrick Mahomes would have been better if he had played
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: right away. You can't prove I'm wrong because he didn't
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: play right away. So I'm going to die on that
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: hill arguing it. And I think if he had played
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: his rookie year, he would have gotten the few mistakes
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: he made his second year out of the way in
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: his first year, and maybe that cost him a title.
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: And if they had a lesser quarterback than Alex Smith,
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: he would have played. Right.
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: Do you remember what happened when he did play the
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: one game his rookie year?
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: No, he lit it up? Is how close, Paul is
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: that hill to Mount Cooks? Mount Cooks is more of
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: a like a little like a little ant hill. It's
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: not necessarily what I'm willing to die off.
• 19:37
  Speaker 7: There's nobody that disputes that Brandon Cooks is not a
• 19:40
  Speaker 7: good player. At this point.
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: He does, He's been the lead for he scoffed at
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: me where he does. A good, solid, productive player. He's
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: getting rid of him, though, I don't know why, tossing
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: him around.
• 19:52
  Speaker 7: I'm not really sure how he can dispute.
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: I mean, his problem is he only goes in a
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: straight line, Brandon Cooks, or.
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: Tries to go for seventeen yards to catch, or tries
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: to go.
• 20:02
  Speaker 6: Over a guy and get knocked out of the Super Bowl.
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: But anyway, now, now it's his fault that he got
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: concussed in the Super Bowl. He tried to hurdle the guy.
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: So what are you doing? Try to hurdle guys all
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: the time?
• 20:14
  Speaker 7: Around a guy no field awareness, Paul, no field away, spatial, spatial.
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: The first time he diaked somebody out will be the
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: first time.
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: Tell you he must have all unbelievable offensive coordinators that
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: got him a thousand yards every year. No, he's just
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: by avoiding Everythingody just.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: So fast, and he's a good ball catcher, I mean,
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: but he doesn't have a lot of wiggle. Who cares,
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying that's that's the only weakness in his.
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: Guests shot the samarow is Mount Cooks right now and
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: now we're back. Now I'm back on the hill. Wiggle,
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: that's the that's the number one. That's what I used
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: to hear Belichicks say all the time. I need my
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: wide receivers to be able to get open, catch the
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: ball and wiggle right.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: Well to make somebody miss once in a while. That's
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying.
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah, then he'd be elite.
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: So just to share a little bit, I watched the
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: latest Hard Knocks an another another good episode.
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: I'm very much enjoying them behind the scenes.
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: This was the draft though, but little little Elliott Wolf,
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: little you know, conversations behind the scenes of the Giants.
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: But you know, some people made more of the Patriots
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: want and Drake May in it than I really interpreted.
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: I mean, it seemed like they were just content to
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: kind of stay there, not specifically pumping up Drake May,
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: but you know, just hearing the conversations that the Giants
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: were having and doing the same thing that Paul has
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: been saying for like five years now. They're going right
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: through the hit rate of quarterbacks in the first round
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: and the difference it is when you get somebody in
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: the top three picks and how quickly after that you
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: start going downhill. And you know, just their acknowledgment of yes,
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: we could probably stay put and take Malik Neighbors, who
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: they loved, and you know, Brian Table was just you know,
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: blown away by what he was watching with that kid.
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: But you could still see that even despite kind of
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: having that thing and knowing for them, it's gonna mean,
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: we're gonna keep Danil Jones, We're gonna give them a weapon,
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: We're going to try to solidify the offensive line. In
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: free agency, they were still so tempted to trade up
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: and weren't quite willing to make, you know, this crazy
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: package to get up that it seemed like the Patriots
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: you know we're going to ask for because they were content.
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: But it just reiterated for me how valuable that pick
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: was third overall and it lined up in a year
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: where there were three good quarterbacks worth being taken.
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and what we'll never know was what was that
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: crazy package that would have tempted that page.
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: I do because he kind of said it, Yeah, he
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: kind of Yeah, he talked about it. I mean it
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: was you know, it's a one.
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: They were saying, Look, it's the trade down and then
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: it's the one next year plus what and you know
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: that was the big question. Obviously you're gonna give us
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: your your one next year, but how much more is
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: it going to take? And how ridiculous is it gonna
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: And Elliott never on the phone, never, you know, specifically
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: said he just I mean.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: You could tell, hey, are they going to be that stupid?
• 22:46
  Speaker 6: But we know they right.
• 22:47
  Speaker 7: If you're going to do.
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: Something stupid, then we'll talk. But look, we're pretty happy
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: to stay where we are.
• 22:52
  Speaker 7: So really quickly attendance wise, I am not seeing Devon.
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't see him either. I miss and a
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: few others that you probably have, but he's the most noteworthy.
• 23:03
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't have Joey's Sly, but I don't know
• 23:05
  Speaker 7: if maybe the Kickers is kicking to have disappeared.
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but I didn't see Sly either, so I'm not
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: sure he came out. I definitely is your here, Yes,
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: he is, he is. I have everybody.
• 23:19
  Speaker 7: I have everybody besides Godshaw and Joey sl okay.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: So now they're doing things a little differently than yesterday.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: Yesterday they had the defense on the right the left field,
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: they had the offense on the right field warming up.
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: Because you made such a big deal, they changed it.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: Now they're on opposite ends of the same field doing
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: this stretching, so a little bit different.
• 23:42
  Speaker 6: I don't know why.
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: I believe we might have Antonio Gibson departing for the
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: lower field. Perhaps I couldn't get a full number on him,
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: but it looked like him and Jennings.
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Jennings came out without his helmeted.
• 23:58
  Speaker 7: I never saw Gibson ground helmet.
• 24:00
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 24:02
  Speaker 7: It's it's like maybe they're if they're out here stretching,
• 24:04
  Speaker 7: then they should be off. They should be off the
• 24:08
  Speaker 7: NFI list, in the pup list, if you're participating at
• 24:11
  Speaker 7: all in this part of practice.
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but I would say he's probably off. I you know,
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: didn't write it that way, but I would say he's
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: probably off NFI to be out here in uniform. Yeah.
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: So can we talk a little about jude On gotshak
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: because I mean, obviously Judon spoke yesterday, and I'm really
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: wondering what's gonna happen, Like, I just I think they
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: need jude On, but there's just so many complicated parts,
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: and hearing him talk yesterday, all I could think.
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: Is like, is this gonna if they don't, are we
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: gonna be hearing this all year? Like?
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: Are we gonna be you know, hey, it's November now,
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: how you know how you feel about it?
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: Like?
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: Can they let this thing drag on? Do they have
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: to either give him an extension or move him? Like
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: can they even let him stay right now and play
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: on this deal? Because it's going to be a distraction
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: all season long?
• 24:57
  Speaker 7: My question just is it what do they have to
• 24:59
  Speaker 7: lose by giving him more money for this year? Like
• 25:02
  Speaker 7: an extension is one thing? I get with the age
• 25:04
  Speaker 7: and coming off an injury. Yep, maybe you don't want
• 25:06
  Speaker 7: to give him a two year extension. But if he's
• 25:09
  Speaker 7: just looking for an extra raise just for this season,
• 25:13
  Speaker 7: it's it's not there's no way that it's it's a
• 25:17
  Speaker 7: monetary issue to get to hand him an extra five
• 25:20
  Speaker 7: million bucks. It's certainly not a cap issue. So if
• 25:23
  Speaker 7: it's gonna make him happy, then like, what are we
• 25:26
  Speaker 7: waiting for whatever reason?
• 25:28
  Speaker 6: He Judon just left the defense and.
• 25:31
  Speaker 7: The defensive lineman are down there, so he's going to Oh,
• 25:35
  Speaker 7: I see do pass resh?
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: I think he might have to take a tinkle or something. Okay,
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: it's like he's had it for the it looks like
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: he's had enough hydration issues.
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: But you think gotchall might be Hey, i'm gonna come,
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna come day one, and then then you know,
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: and then all bets are off.
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: I think there's everything on the table. And I did
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: see something earlier that someone tweeted out that he was
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: one of the guys that's expected to speak today. Yep,
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: So I don't know if that's you know, obviously, if
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: he's not out here on the practice field, I find
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: that to be hard to believe.
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: So what does everybody think right now? Gotcha and Judon
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: both on the team this year, both gone one here
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: one not?
• 26:10
  Speaker 6: I think both on the team.
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but I think that's going to get traded.
• 26:13
  Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, I think that.
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: I think that rather than an extension, they're just going
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: to give Jude On extra money and he's gonna be like,
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: all right.
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: One one, but no more, no additional years. Now, you
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: don't think they'll do uh, you know what the dummy
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: years like all that, like all that kind of stuff.
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: You think they'll get into that kind of stuff now.
• 26:29
  Speaker 7: Be interesting to see because they've never done that really. Beside,
• 26:32
  Speaker 7: Devin mccorty is the one guy I can remember in
• 26:34
  Speaker 7: recent memory that got void years. But they knew he
• 26:37
  Speaker 7: was either going to be a Patriot or retire from football,
• 26:40
  Speaker 7: so the void years there was ways around that, Like
• 26:42
  Speaker 7: the Bill didn't really believe in the void years structure.
• 26:46
  Speaker 7: So if they did something like that with Judon or
• 26:49
  Speaker 7: with Gotcha, I guess that would be a departure from
• 26:52
  Speaker 7: how they've handled contracts in the past. So it'd be
• 26:54
  Speaker 7: interesting to see if that is because a lot of
• 26:56
  Speaker 7: teams do that. The New Orleans Saints do it with everybody,
• 26:59
  Speaker 7: and that's how they run the cap, completely different than
• 27:02
  Speaker 7: every other team in.
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: The league, but it still exists.
• 27:05
  Speaker 7: Yeah, New Orleans, Philadelphia like those teams do utilize void years.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: Well. The media has certainly come to Judon's defense. They're
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: out there telling him that he telling everyone that he
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: deserves the money. They've come out. The new stat now
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: is the amount of sacks per game that Judon has
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: had as a Patriot versus.
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: Former team, and it's.
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: Pretty I think it's like thirty eight games in thirty
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: two sacks or something like that.
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: Which is anybody do the December January totals. Those aren't
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: as impressive.
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: It goes down, it.
• 27:38
  Speaker 10: Go down, I think because of that reason, Fred though,
• 27:40
  Speaker 10: they can't afford to trade him, at least right now,
• 27:42
  Speaker 10: because they don't have the depth behind him to take
• 27:45
  Speaker 10: his spot. So I think for right now, you give
• 27:47
  Speaker 10: him some money to last, you know, she get through
• 27:49
  Speaker 10: this season, and if you don't feel like extending him,
• 27:51
  Speaker 10: don't do that, but at least satisfy him for right now.
• 27:53
  Speaker 10: But you can't afford to trade him because who's going
• 27:55
  Speaker 10: to play in his spot.
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: I'm with Tamara in terms of give him a little money,
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: get him motivated part the season. Then I trade him.
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: You know, really I trade him heading into the trade deadline.
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: I think there might be some value. I think someone's
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: probably gonna lose, you know, an edge rusher. It's like
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: pitching at the trade deadline. You can never have enough
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: guys that can get after the passer. And I think
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: a contender would be interested. You just sold me, Paul.
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: I think that that you're that's a really good thing
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: because we've always said before he's only early one of
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: the assets they have. If they try to do it now,
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: you're probably not going to get as much. But if
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: you can give him a little sweetener and he plays
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: pretty well and he's getting some sacks and he has
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: some value, you know, that's where this team is. When
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: you look at that point, whenever the trade deadline is,
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: you know, early November or late October, that look, we're
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: not going to make the playoffs. Now's the time to
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: cash this chip in, pick up an extra whatever it is,
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: second third round pick. If he's playing well, and then
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: you're selling a little bit more high because if you're
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: trying to sell him right now, you're you're you're kind
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: of selling low coming off an injury.
• 28:50
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a great point because there's also precedent from
• 28:52
  Speaker 7: last year with Chase Young and Montes Sweat, Yeah getting
• 28:55
  Speaker 7: moved or as a Josh, but I always forget which
• 28:57
  Speaker 7: Sweat I think was Montes, right, So yeah, so those
• 29:00
  Speaker 7: two guys get moved right around the deadline last year,
• 29:03
  Speaker 7: So it's been done. You know, you can use those
• 29:05
  Speaker 7: deals as as sort of barometers of what you might
• 29:08
  Speaker 7: get for Judah, and you give the team a seven
• 29:11
  Speaker 7: eight weeks to see if they're going to be competitive
• 29:13
  Speaker 7: or not. You know, if you're to and six at
• 29:15
  Speaker 7: the deadline, then you deal them if you're.
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: Makes sense that you saw predicated on Judah being satisfied
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: with just taking extra money for this year.
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah, right, right right?
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: And I mean do you think and I guess I saw,
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: did you guys see I think they how much cash
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: they actually spent this spring? I think there were some
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: like ninth in the leaguers. I mean, do you think
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: the money they've already spent? I mean, are they I
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: know they have cap space, but you know we always
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: talk about real money, like I mean, is some of
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: their budget kind of dried up?
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: I mean is that you know, and I don't know
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: that this is going to happen. But let's just look
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: around the league. And you saw yesterday, uh, ESPN and
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: NFL Network. It was just one stop after the other.
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: TUA in Miami, Jordan Love in Green Bay, CD Lamb
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: and others. In Dallas, Hassan Reddick with the Jets.
• 30:02
  Speaker 6: Trent Williams.
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: Now, the Patriots could wind up twenty fifteen cash spending
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: by the end of the training camp if these guys
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: all get signed. So I do think they like right now,
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: Dallas I think is thirty second in cash spends. They
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: have three enormous contracts hanging over their head. I can't
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: imagine they're just gonna lame duck all of them. Micah Parson,
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: CD Lamb and Dak Prescott. I got to think at
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: least one of those guys gets a long term deal,
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: and I think that changes those numbers quickly. It's like
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: everyone's like, oh, Calvin Ridley twenty three million a year.
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: How does twenty three million a year look now for
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: a number one receiver right when they're making making thirty five?
• 30:41
  Speaker 6: You know?
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: So I think those numbers change so quickly. The complexion
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: of those numbers.
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: But do you think, Paul, I mean, look, your guys,
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: your guys killed them all year because they don't spend money.
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: I mean, do you think that that amount of money
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: they spend is that irrelevant?
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: No, it's not irrelevant. I mean I think it's relevant
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: in the amount of money they spent. I do think
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: it's mitigated in the fact that the vast majority of
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: it was on their own players.
• 31:02
  Speaker 6: Oh but it's still money.
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: That's why I said it's not irrelevant. Yeah, yeah, it's
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: it's money. Yeah, I don't In other words, I don't
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: blame the organization for not spending money. But if it
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: doesn't go, well, it's not the organization's fault. It's the
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: personnel department, who is the ones that decided we're going
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: to run it back with a four and thirteen team.
• 31:23
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I didn't run it back.
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: See that? Like that talking points? Is that grinds my gears?
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: I know it bothers both of you, and I don't
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: really understand. It's hard to.
• 31:32
  Speaker 7: Say running run it back. The drafted a quarterback.
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: They drafted a quarterback.
• 31:36
  Speaker 7: Yes, they have new receivers. They drafted a quarterback, They
• 31:40
  Speaker 7: new coaching and coaching staff.
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: Like I'm talking about the players. The personnel is all
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: the same, but you can't make changes and one that's
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: not going to play.
• 31:48
  Speaker 7: One of them is literally the third overall pick in
• 31:51
  Speaker 7: the year is not going to play play. I don't
• 31:53
  Speaker 7: agree with that. I think he is going to play
• 31:55
  Speaker 7: the majority of the year, like I don't know how.
• 31:57
  Speaker 7: And also the guy that quarterback the team last year
• 32:00
  Speaker 7: is not here, so it's regardless.
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: It's one of the two changes they made.
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: So that's a pretty big should have let everybody walk
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: and just sign a whole new team.
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: Why you know, why does it have to be Andy Hart?
• 32:11
  Speaker 10: Like?
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: Why does it mean everybody?
• 32:12
  Speaker 8: What?
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: I'm trying to find where your line was for who
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: they should or should not.
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: I think they I think they brought back five or
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: six guys that are completely and utterly irrelevant that added
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: to that cash total. No, that's not one guy that's
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: born I would say Born Jennings Uce. None of these
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: guys impact that.
• 32:33
  Speaker 6: I disagree with that.
• 32:34
  Speaker 10: I feel like I can't count. He's kind of like
• 32:36
  Speaker 10: a Uchi got none Yeah, he got no money.
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: No, I'm just saying you brought them all back. You
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: could have gotten other guys that are better than them,
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: but they chose not to.
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: But I don't think that's realistic. We saw they tried
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: to get a bunch of better guys than twenty twenty one.
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: Some of them work, some of it didn't. And a
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: lot of these guys in twenty twenty one when they
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: were still on the upswing, where guys you said, man,
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: we got a player in them, when you we got
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: a player in.
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: Douger last year, Jennings didn't give them a lot of money.
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: I just don't run it. I think that they found
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: core pieces that they liked. They hung on to them.
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: They they kept comfortable with.
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: They kept what they Yeah, sure, but you know when
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: these guys like Juju, they're gonna let them.
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: Why were they comfortable with them because.
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: They like them? Why not because of their talent?
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: What?
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: Because they didn't win?
• 33:16
  Speaker 7: I think they have They didn't win games, means Kyle
• 33:20
  Speaker 7: Duggar is not a good football player.
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: Again, it's not every single one of them, it's the whole,
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: I know, but it's the whole. They took them all back.
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: And most of them a lot of them were defense,
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: and I think they thought they had a pretty good
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: defense last year. And because we had pretty good players.
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: Like I would have resigned Hunter Henry. Yeah, that's like,
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: I'm not telling you that it's every guy. I don't
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: think it's I don't think it's an all or nothing.
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: I just would have maybe half of them back and
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: the other half I would have tried to upgrade. That's all.
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: Would it be too extreme to say they didn't have
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: an offensive line coach the.
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: Last two years?
• 33:51
  Speaker 6: No, No, it wouldn't be to it.
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: I think they had an offensive line coach last year.
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: I don't think he did a good job.
• 33:56
  Speaker 8: Right, Well, he was yeah, he was gone, Yeah, yeah,
• 33:58
  Speaker 8: I know.
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: But he was there for all of the off season
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: training camp, in the first nine games, and their offensive
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: line was the worst in the league.
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: I've been here six years, They've had six different coaching combinations.
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: Along the offensive line. I just that's great stats. I mean,
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: I was done. That's a great stat right, And every
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: year it's been different.
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: And it's just that when I when I got a
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: little fired up on the hub this morning, it was just,
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: you know, I get it, but like they didn't have
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: much to work with last year. I just think it's
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: been two years since you've really had quality o line coaches.
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: I don't know if it's going to be now, but
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: I'm just saying I think I don't think it's some
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: reasonable to say they'd really had just any kind of
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: continuity the last ye.
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: I just think if we were, if we were being
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: honest with ourselves and talking last year at this time,
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: we were saying the same thing, we have an offensive
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: line coach. Now we didn't have one last year, and
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: we were wrong.
• 34:45
  Speaker 7: Well, but that's they I mean, yeah, exactly like we.
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: Have another guy he's never done it before, and you're
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: hoping but also too far.
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: But the point too, I think for me, is that
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: he wasn't the right guy last year. He did wasn't
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: who Billy o wonted. He wasn't a guy who was.
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: It was Bill hiring a guy he knew. And if
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: you would let an actual offensive coording or hire an
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: offensive line coach who knows he wants.
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: I'm sorry, I'm listening, I'm sorry I was rude. I'm sorry.
• 35:14
  Speaker 10: I agree with you, Mike, because I think there were
• 35:15
  Speaker 10: reports out at one point saying that Bill O'Brien was
• 35:18
  Speaker 10: talking to all the groups like sometimes he was coaching
• 35:21
  Speaker 10: all of the groups.
• 35:21
  Speaker 8: They weren't in their individual meeting.
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: That was after Clem had left with his health scare right,
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: But even when Clem was there was it was it
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: Working with Billfne was terrible. And I think you have
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: you know says for a quarter Ford, you're gonna have
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: four the same five. So that's why I just I
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: think you've got an offensive line coach, granted unproven and
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: that and that's something you have to deal with, but
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: obviously knows Alex van Pelt's system, knows what he how
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: these guys have to play, and it's it's connected now.
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: And I mean, I just I see some value in that,
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: and that gives me, you know, these little nuggets of
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: like I think that they're gonna be okay. Maybe I'm
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: gonna be wrong, but that's my hill. I would say
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: that hill. I would say they'll be better than last
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: year because they were thirty second last year, so I
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: think they'll be better. I don't think it'll be okay.
• 36:04
  Speaker 5: I don't think you're gonna look at them and say
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: offensive line's okay.
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: You are right.
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: No, you think they're gonna be under siege the whole season,
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: long start to finish.
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: That's was that the case last year past blocking, I
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: don't think it was. I think there were some games
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: it was like that, but I don't think it was
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: like that every game. I don't think we said that
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: every game last year. So it'll be better this year, though, No,
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: I definitely think it'll be better than thirty second in
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: pass block win rate.
• 36:24
  Speaker 10: Yes, I think they'll be better, But I don't expect
• 36:26
  Speaker 10: them to be like Lions offensive line brickwall like their
• 36:29
  Speaker 10: offensive line is elite.
• 36:31
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I don't expect it to be that good.
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: No, but if Kayden Wallace works out, and Michael and
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: when you you know, shows that what we've seen for
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: the last three years that he's a very good guard,
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: and David Andrews continues steady play and you know city,
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: So I mean, I just I don't.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: Think Scott Peters is a good line coach.
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: I have no question about. Just like if Drake May
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: you know, plays really well right away, my whole complexion
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: of what I think this season's going to be is
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: going to be different if all those things happen on
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: the offensive line. My complex of the offensive line will
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: be different if all of those guys end up playing
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: really well and the coach is really good. They'll be
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: a lot better.
• 37:06
  Speaker 7: I agree to Kobe Brissett playing some running back, not actually.
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: Just this fun stuff, good hands.
• 37:13
  Speaker 7: Doing some some drills here. But it does irk me, Paul,
• 37:16
  Speaker 7: It does irk me when people say that they run
• 37:18
  Speaker 7: it back. It also irks me when we talk about
• 37:24
  Speaker 7: the cash spending thing. And to Mike's point, this year,
• 37:28
  Speaker 7: this off season, they're not in the league in cash spending.
• 37:31
  Speaker 7: You can say it was on their own guys, but
• 37:33
  Speaker 7: they spent money, and we just are disingenuous when we
• 37:37
  Speaker 7: say that that the team is cheap or they won't
• 37:41
  Speaker 7: pay this player or sign that player or whatever, when
• 37:44
  Speaker 7: that's just inaccurate based off of the data that we have. Now,
• 37:49
  Speaker 7: is that going to be consistent every single off season
• 37:52
  Speaker 7: that that's a different story. But for this off season,
• 37:54
  Speaker 7: they did go out and spend money. And to sit
• 37:57
  Speaker 7: here and say that they're, you know, this team that
• 37:59
  Speaker 7: won't do that, I just feel.
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: I don't know how many times people can say that
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: they've spent money. You can't argue that they spent money.
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: I mean, Felger of all people said they spent money.
• 38:09
  Speaker 5: I don't know how we can argue this. Danny Ada,
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: I was wondering where that handsome man was down there.
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: It's out on him.
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we tried to get him for pats from the past,
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: and he'd he blew us off out. Yeah, that would
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: have been a good pass for the past, it would have.
• 38:26
  Speaker 6: We'll get him eventually.
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: Man, he had some acrobatic catches for me.
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: I just so distinctly remember that first game against Buffalo,
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: and you know, we talk about things that like the
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: fans start to rage about. I mean, I remember him
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: signing him and being he's so injury prone. That was
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: everybody was worried about. And it's funny because he both
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: like I think got hurt in that Buffalo game, but
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: also like managed to make a couple you know, crazy
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: clutch catches at the end.
• 38:51
  Speaker 6: Danny Amidola taught me a lot about anatomy.
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: Oh, I didn't know we had two groins until he
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: hurt both of them.
• 39:00
  Speaker 7: Act in the back of the end zone against Jacksonville Championship.
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: That's the highlight that to.
• 39:05
  Speaker 7: Me is the one that always stand out from him
• 39:09
  Speaker 7: on the whole. A little a little overrated discatch though,
• 39:12
  Speaker 7: but that, but individual plays here and there.
• 39:15
  Speaker 5: That one was my kind of guy. He wasn't like
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: a volume stat pattern. He just every every play he
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: made was important.
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Michael Gibbons, Yeah, I think about h David Gibbons,
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: that touchdown catch he had David the Seahawks, which was
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: more like just a Brady throw that there's a shot
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: from the back of the end zone where it's like
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: the ball is just coming through like a sea of
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: hands and like just somehow finds its way to Amadola
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: in the in the end zone.
• 39:40
  Speaker 7: I feel like that was really similar plays. I wonder
• 39:43
  Speaker 7: if it was actually the same, right, all right, a
• 39:51
  Speaker 7: lot more special team stuff going on. It seems like down.
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: Here conversation I haven't been watching.
• 39:57
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I feel like, yes, they didn't really do any
• 40:00
  Speaker 10: special teams outside of obviously the kickers.
• 40:02
  Speaker 8: The kicking that happened that.
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: Kickoff where my kickoff at. I thought, Hey, I thought
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: Joe Milton had a couple of nice balls yesterday. He
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: didn't get a lot of reps, but but I thought
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: he had a couple of nice throws.
• 40:11
  Speaker 10: Especially was a good ball and his short passes like
• 40:15
  Speaker 10: they weren't like about to break your hands.
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: On time, And I mean, you know he did. I mean,
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: like again he didn't. He's not going to play a lot.
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: I wasn't really watching him when he was down here.
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: I was more watching the may side. But you know
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: it just it never hurts.
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: A quarterback who's making some throws.
• 40:28
  Speaker 7: According to some people, Bailey zappies.
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: I saw that, and that made things that make you
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: go home. There's always like a practice recap afterwards where
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: there's a few nuggets.
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: And you're like, I didn't see that. I don't know what.
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: I don't push, all right, I'll take your word for it.
• 40:40
  Speaker 8: Define making a push.
• 40:41
  Speaker 7: Don't don't count Bailey Zappy out. So let me ask you.
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: We talk about some things that make you go home
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: when you when you go you're reading after the did
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: any of this finest esteemed panel see Christian Barmore leave practice.
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: I'd see that with the trainers. No, I saw him
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: come back. I saw him here today though.
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: No, I know he's here today, but I didn't. Wondering
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: if anybody's because that was tweeted out by Greg Baard
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: yesterday that he was with Jim Whalen and walked off
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: under his own power but look to have a problem
• 41:13
  Speaker 5: with his knee. Yeah, I saw it, and I have
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: to be honest, I did not see that.
• 41:16
  Speaker 8: I not see that.
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: I didn't either, And it's always like one of those
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: things that like, oh crap, one of the best players
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: got hurt and walked off and I had no idea.
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: Right, And I pride myself on not missing stuff like that.
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: I feel like, right now, yeah, he's out there doing
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: the position drills down the far end zone.
• 41:30
  Speaker 10: I feel like the only thing that only person we
• 41:32
  Speaker 10: noticed that was like off to the side was Pop
• 41:34
  Speaker 10: Douglas yesterday.
• 41:35
  Speaker 7: Yes, that one.
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: I definitely, Yeah, Well, Greg had to throw in like that.
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: He's had knee issues in the past, like you throw
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: in the like right, oh god, Greg ever.
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: Ruined my whole day. And I know, like and that
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: was a part of his contract extensions like that. I
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: think that was one of the probably one of the
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: reasons why he took I think a little less knee concerns.
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but he does almost have a little bit of
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: the uh it's not as it's not as clearing as
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: it was with Sleep, but a little bit of those legs.
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: That kind of you know, go in a little bit.
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: I guess maybe that's what the interior pass get a
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: little bit, Yeah, a little knock.
• 42:07
  Speaker 7: Need a lot more special teams today.
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, there really wasn't much at all yesterday.
• 42:18
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm not seeing it. It's interesting though, because like
• 42:22
  Speaker 7: they're they have people running down to cover this punt,
• 42:25
  Speaker 7: but poor kJ Osborne has nobody blocking for them, so
• 42:28
  Speaker 7: he's just figure it out on his own out there,
• 42:32
  Speaker 7: just bravemarking it right now.
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: Freedom, that's a lacrosse Oh really, Yeah, that's what I
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: was in the movie Melvin Gibson thing. They used to
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: have a thing on lacrosse, especially torn out tournaments, like
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: if it was tied at the end instead of like overtime,
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: they'd have this thing called brave Heart on one one.
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: On one with the goalie. Yeah, but is that they
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: call it from the movie each goal and it's based
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: on all right, face off one on one mano we mano.
• 43:03
  Speaker 5: That's kind of cool. I've never heard that before. Would
• 43:06
  Speaker 5: love it.
• 43:07
  Speaker 7: Braveheart, bigger and girls lacrosse.
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, because as soon as the other guy got
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: the thing and ran away from me and be like ye.
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: I'm good, good look goalie, save it thrown up.
• 43:15
  Speaker 7: To me, it was over very quickly, as he would imagine.
• 43:20
  Speaker 5: So pop in there doing a little bit of the
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: ad on one return. Yeah, they can't get him.
• 43:26
  Speaker 6: Well, did you see what he just did?
• 43:27
  Speaker 5: Though he did? He did kind of run around Kevin Harris.
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: It's so subtle, just that little left shoulder twitch that
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: freezes the guy for a millisecond and then boom, he's gone.
• 43:38
  Speaker 5: He's got that.
• 43:39
  Speaker 6: He's special, he's got that.
• 43:40
  Speaker 5: Question got that quick twitch? Oh god, Polk.
• 43:44
  Speaker 6: Oh he's a many tyree, Tyree.
• 43:47
  Speaker 5: I'm not so sure, Jaylen, According to The Boston Globe, Yeah,
• 43:50
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: I was disappointed he he missed that one yesterday at
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: the You know, it's kind of reminiscent of Yeah, you know,
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: when he's like on a post and then he just
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: lays out for it and a few those of Washington
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: you're talking about Polk Now.
• 44:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that one yesterday, Like everybody got to air grievances
• 44:06
  Speaker 5: at the beginning, and I didn't really have anything, and
• 44:09
  Speaker 5: I didn't. I've been underwhelmed. It doesn't get open. I've
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: been underwhelmed. That's that's my first impression of him.
• 44:16
  Speaker 10: Yeah, did you have those same impressions of him when
• 44:20
  Speaker 10: we drafted him?
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: No, I didn't, you know, I was just sort of
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: learning about him.
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: It's hard to tell how it's going to alter the
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: draft to the draft. I you know, I like I
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: like his size, you know I I do. That does
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: stand out to me. Just he's he's well built for
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: a receiver, Like he's pretty sturdy. Yeah, that was one
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: of the things I liked about him when they took him.
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: I I can't argue with thought Paul on now.
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: Let me not just some of the bursts I want
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: to offer to qualifier because I want to be faila.
• 44:49
  Speaker 5: I'm not calling him a bust. I'm not saying he
• 44:51
  Speaker 5: can't play. I'm really feel like he's one of those
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: players that the physicality is important to him, and I
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: think when he gets pads on, he might be able
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: to create more separation as a result. So I'm not
• 45:03
  Speaker 5: calling him to kill Harry for someone. You know, I
• 45:06
  Speaker 5: can hear ldre Well, Paul's already given up on him,
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: like this was a bad pick. I'm not saying it
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: was a bad pick. I'm not saying I'm giving up
• 45:14
  Speaker 5: on him just through Now. This is five or six
• 45:17
  Speaker 5: practices I've gotten to watch. You know, I saw Jalen
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: Rager five yards in the clear yesterday on a deep brawl.
• 45:23
  Speaker 5: I've seen Javon Baker in OTAs down the sideline five
• 45:28
  Speaker 5: yards behind guys. Every pass I've seen Tipolk, he's been
• 45:32
  Speaker 5: somewhat tightly covered and by rookies, not like by Christian Gonzales.
• 45:36
  Speaker 5: Yesterday was Marcellus Dial had him locked down.
• 45:39
  Speaker 7: And this is what my concern was watching him at Washington,
• 45:43
  Speaker 7: was that a lot of his plays are made in
• 45:45
  Speaker 7: traffic or made with.
• 45:46
  Speaker 5: Guys all over him. Now, but that might be his thing, right,
• 45:49
  Speaker 5: and if he's doing it in games, he's got Aaron Dobson.
• 45:53
  Speaker 7: And I'm right, and I'm not trying to compare him.
• 45:55
  Speaker 7: I'm not saying it's DeVante Parker either, right, Like the
• 45:58
  Speaker 7: way that he was doing it with reminded him a
• 46:00
  Speaker 7: lot more of Jacobe Meyers, where you know, he's not
• 46:03
  Speaker 7: getting a ton of separation, but he's got that half
• 46:05
  Speaker 7: a step that if you put it in his catch radius,
• 46:07
  Speaker 7: he's got really good hands and he's got strong hands
• 46:10
  Speaker 7: at the catch point.
• 46:11
  Speaker 5: So I just want to make sure that I'm not
• 46:14
  Speaker 5: coming off as like this guy. I don't know what
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: they saw. I'm not saying that at all.
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: Well, and it's at least you know, again we're highlighting,
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: like you know, he did catch a touchdown at the
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: end of mini camp, So I mean, but you know,
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: to your point, Paul certainly tight throw and you know.
• 46:25
  Speaker 5: I was going to say play that he wasn't really
• 46:27
  Speaker 5: hoping all that right, and you know, but.
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: I think when you look at his physicality, it gives
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: you a little bit of pause that he'll be able
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: to play through contact and you know the things that
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: NI kill Harry, Like as soon as somebody went up.
• 46:37
  Speaker 5: To the ball, when to kill Harry, Like that other
• 46:39
  Speaker 5: guy was winning the ball.
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: He despite his size and strength, he just didn't have
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: that physicality.
• 46:43
  Speaker 5: Like those two plays yesterday. If they happened, you know,
• 46:47
  Speaker 5: a week from now, you know, when they're in full
• 46:50
  Speaker 5: pads and it's the same kind of stuff, then then
• 46:52
  Speaker 5: I'll be a little concerned.
• 46:53
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that was sort of my takeaway, especially the one
• 46:55
  Speaker 7: that Duce and I you were just mentioning with the
• 46:58
  Speaker 7: fade over the shoulder Cash. I feel like in a
• 47:01
  Speaker 7: week or two, May maybe has his speed, the pacing
• 47:05
  Speaker 7: of the route down a little bit better, and the
• 47:07
  Speaker 7: ball is a little bit more catchable, and maybe that
• 47:10
  Speaker 7: pass gets completed once they get some of that timing
• 47:12
  Speaker 7: and chemistry down because he's that type of guy. He's
• 47:15
  Speaker 7: gonna have to be thrown open by the quarterback and
• 47:18
  Speaker 7: that's gonna take some time. Pennix was able to master
• 47:21
  Speaker 7: it at Washington and he was very productive in that offense.
• 47:25
  Speaker 7: But you know, when we start to talk about some
• 47:27
  Speaker 7: of the guys that were drafted around him, this is
• 47:29
  Speaker 7: why people like me, you know, ad him a little
• 47:31
  Speaker 7: bit lower than some of these other guys, because you know,
• 47:34
  Speaker 7: a guy like Lad McConkey, for example, you know, is
• 47:37
  Speaker 7: a pure separator. He's a technician. Now, Lad mcconkey's not
• 47:41
  Speaker 7: as big and not as strong as Jalen Polk is.
• 47:44
  Speaker 7: So to Paul's point, maybe that ends up, you know,
• 47:47
  Speaker 7: favoring Polk. But I've always been the type of guy
• 47:50
  Speaker 7: that likes the guys that create tons of separation, the
• 47:53
  Speaker 7: explosive guys. You know, even a guy like Pop Douglas,
• 47:55
  Speaker 7: you know that that creates you know, with his route
• 47:59
  Speaker 7: running it, That's not what I saw with Jalen Polk. Now,
• 48:03
  Speaker 7: a lot of people at Washington would tell you that
• 48:06
  Speaker 7: the way that their offense was structured, they were running
• 48:08
  Speaker 7: four verts every single play and he wasn't really asked to,
• 48:11
  Speaker 7: you know, have a lot of nuance to his route running.
• 48:15
  Speaker 7: But he has that capability. It just wasn't brought out
• 48:18
  Speaker 7: in that Washington offense. So hopefully in the NFL. You know,
• 48:22
  Speaker 7: he made a catch early in practice yesterday on Marcus Jones,
• 48:26
  Speaker 7: just a little option route out of the slot, you know,
• 48:28
  Speaker 7: for eight yards. Like those are the types of catches
• 48:30
  Speaker 7: he's gonna make, you know, when he's targeted down the field,
• 48:32
  Speaker 7: I don't think that's gonna be his game.
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: Just to the side, looking at the crowd, pretty pretty
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: good crowd today. The hills filled bleachers are you know,
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: for the most part filled a lot of people not
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: even sitting down down the chute at the various stands
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: that they have. So i'd say more people here today
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: than yesterday.
• 48:54
  Speaker 5: I don't know which way is up or down anymore
• 48:56
  Speaker 5: on these things. I would agree with that this more
• 48:58
  Speaker 5: people there yea than yesterday.
• 48:59
  Speaker 10: I still say the weather for today, according to the meteorologist,
• 49:04
  Speaker 10: was not supposed to be great either.
• 49:05
  Speaker 5: So yeah, I'll be interesting to.
• 49:07
  Speaker 10: See tomorrow, you know, Sunday, when it's gonn Monday.
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: I think it's a pretty pretty good crowd today. Okay,
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: web radio at PETA is the email address. Got a
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: lot of emails coming in. Cody writes in Badard writing
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: BS about Barmore, I'm stunned. Can we please launch Greg
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: Badard to the sun.
• 49:31
  Speaker 5: Just just to be clear, just because we didn't see
• 49:34
  Speaker 5: it doesn't mean it's BS. No, I didn't. I didn't
• 49:37
  Speaker 5: see Barbore leave with Jim Waitlin yesterday. That's what Badard
• 49:42
  Speaker 5: tweeted that that's what he saw. Yeah, I didn't say
• 49:44
  Speaker 5: that that was BS. I asked if you guys had
• 49:47
  Speaker 5: seen it. I missed it, and no one.
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: I'm sure that he saw us. There's no way he'd
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: write that if it wasn't true.
• 49:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's why, Like, I don't want to just say
• 49:54
  Speaker 5: it was BS. That's not what I'm and I would
• 49:58
  Speaker 5: say too that.
• 49:59
  Speaker 4: In my view, Craig Bdard is one of the few
• 50:01
  Speaker 4: people worth reading on this beat.
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: Scott rights in.
• 50:06
  Speaker 7: Okay, it's nice to you to say.
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: Scott rights in with the Patriots reportedly calling Cincinnati and
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: the forty nine is about Higgins and Ayug. They've probably
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: called Dallas about lamb Right feels like he might actually
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: be a little more realistic trade than ayug with how
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: unwilling the forty nine ers are. What do you think?
• 50:26
  Speaker 5: I don't know what makes it more real the opposite?
• 50:28
  Speaker 7: Yeah?
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: Well, first of all, is that a report that they
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: called the second draft?
• 50:35
  Speaker 6: Okay?
• 50:36
  Speaker 5: For the draft they suppose that, reportedly, according to Florio,
• 50:40
  Speaker 5: offered a second round pick before the draft recently, I
• 50:42
  Speaker 5: haven't heard anything about Cincinnati.
• 50:44
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 50:44
  Speaker 5: No, And I don't think Lamb is available.
• 50:47
  Speaker 7: I think there's a zero point zero chance that well
• 50:50
  Speaker 7: he's holding in right or holding out, holding holding out. Yeah,
• 50:53
  Speaker 7: but Dallas is not the type of team that lets
• 50:57
  Speaker 7: their own guys like Ceedee Lamb just walk out the
• 50:59
  Speaker 7: door like they're.
• 51:00
  Speaker 5: You want to talk about notoriously cheap Jerry Jones.
• 51:03
  Speaker 7: Well with the certain aspects of the team.
• 51:05
  Speaker 6: Chur H Tim our friend from Duncan. I like it.
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: Paul seems to be fired up for Day two. Nothing
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: like good roll it back talk. I disagree with him,
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: but it's great to see he will die on that hill.
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: I just can't see how you rolled it back with
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: a totally new quarterback position group, some new tight ends, receivers,
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: a new running back, et cetera. But hey, I'd be
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: disappointed if he didn't stick to his point. It's what
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: makes the show interesting. I also love the Danny on
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: the Mendola talk.
• 51:35
  Speaker 5: I don't really understand half of that. Donnie Hunter Henry
• 51:39
  Speaker 5: is a new tight end.
• 51:41
  Speaker 7: Austin Hooper didn't get it, so.
• 51:43
  Speaker 4: You replace Gasicki with Hooperopa, Sony Brody's in the league.
• 51:49
  Speaker 5: We have to check on that. So quints this.
• 51:54
  Speaker 7: This one would have seen it.
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: This one would have to be for Evan because I
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: wouldn't be able to tell. But Jeff Canada says, I
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: know it's only been one and a half practices, but
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: do you see any improvement in Drake May's footwork throwing motion.
• 52:07
  Speaker 7: I still feel it's a little long.
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: It's got a little pat, little peck going on.
• 52:10
  Speaker 7: I still feel it's a little long. But I feel
• 52:13
  Speaker 7: like maybe it's just something that I'm going to have
• 52:16
  Speaker 7: to get used to with my eyes because he's taller
• 52:18
  Speaker 7: and longer than the last couple guys we've had here.
• 52:22
  Speaker 7: But the one thing that I have noticed with him
• 52:26
  Speaker 7: is that his footwork seems to be pretty solid. Now
• 52:29
  Speaker 7: there's no real threat yet to have a pass rush.
• 52:31
  Speaker 7: So when we get into preseason games and things, like that.
• 52:34
  Speaker 7: We'll see if those good habits stick. It's easy to
• 52:36
  Speaker 7: have good footwork when you know you're not gonna get hit,
• 52:39
  Speaker 7: you know, Let's see what happens when people are coming
• 52:41
  Speaker 7: after you. But I do see some improvements with his footwork.
• 52:44
  Speaker 7: I wish that he didn't have a little that backwards
• 52:46
  Speaker 7: tilt that he tends to have sometimes drives me nuts.
• 52:51
  Speaker 7: But in general, I think the footwork is the most
• 52:53
  Speaker 7: important thing, and the other mechanical stuffs.
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: And Jeff guesses, and I probably think he's right that
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: between the time he was drafted and now he's been
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: working on that.
• 53:04
  Speaker 7: Yeah, so they'd said in the spring, and I'm sure
• 53:06
  Speaker 7: that it's held true that they've started with the from
• 53:09
  Speaker 7: the ground up with him. So they haven't tweaked any
• 53:12
  Speaker 7: of his upper body yet, they haven't tweaked his throwing
• 53:14
  Speaker 7: motion or any of his mechanics from the waist up.
• 53:18
  Speaker 7: Right now, they're working just on his feet. And I
• 53:20
  Speaker 7: have seen some considerable improvement, I would say, from his footwork.
• 53:25
  Speaker 7: But again it's hard to say until we get into
• 53:28
  Speaker 7: a live setting and he's actually, you know, facing a
• 53:31
  Speaker 7: pass run.
• 53:31
  Speaker 6: Right, let's see.
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: Emery writes in he says Evan, I'm curious about your
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: Brissette doesn't matter take. Mayo said on Tuesday that the
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: standard for may to start is does this guy go
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: out there and perform better than Jacoby? That makes it
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: sound like Jacoby's play does matter because it's the bar
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: that may has to surpass. Do you believe Mayo? Your
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: take sounds like you think he's lying to us?
• 53:55
  Speaker 5: No, I tell you what is up right now.
• 53:58
  Speaker 7: I just don't think it matters. It just it doesn't matter.
• 54:02
  Speaker 7: I guess it maybe matters a little bit in the
• 54:04
  Speaker 7: short term, but like none of us are out here
• 54:05
  Speaker 7: right now to watch, Jakobe said, like, let's face it,
• 54:08
  Speaker 7: like yeah, and no Patriots fan wants to watch Chakober
• 54:11
  Speaker 7: said in September and October either.
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: I understand the spirit of what you're saying.
• 54:15
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it has nothing to do with calling Mayo a liar.
• 54:17
  Speaker 7: I don't know where that's coming from. That's just real quick.
• 54:19
  Speaker 4: Marke Daniels just tweeted out that Barmore is limited today.
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: He's under the weather, according.
• 54:24
  Speaker 6: To a source.
• 54:25
  Speaker 5: Okay, illness, So it wasn't yes yesterday, right, yeah, right,
• 54:30
  Speaker 5: It's like I just because I didn't see it. No
• 54:32
  Speaker 5: one on this choke saw. It doesn't mean it didn't happen.
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: But good to know it's not a knee no, right,
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: if if you know, illness.
• 54:39
  Speaker 6: Could be anything.
• 54:39
  Speaker 5: He's out here, he's still trying to push through early
• 54:41
  Speaker 5: days of camp. He's a warrior, right, what.
• 54:43
  Speaker 6: Do you think of loopus?
• 54:44
  Speaker 8: Think?
• 54:45
  Speaker 5: Maybe looper? Looper? So I'm curious how you we're allowed
• 54:49
  Speaker 5: to tweet that stuff out in the middle of practice, now, huh,
• 54:51
  Speaker 5: I guess I think we always.
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, curious or in curious, Paul, you're gonna write them out.
• 55:00
  Speaker 5: No, I don't rad anybody out that against the rules
• 55:03
  Speaker 5: it used to be.
• 55:04
  Speaker 6: I think we just did rat him out.
• 55:06
  Speaker 7: I don't know.
• 55:07
  Speaker 5: Well, if it's not about practice, that's news to you.
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: Well, it's something that happened in practice.
• 55:11
  Speaker 7: Maybe against the rules for.
• 55:12
  Speaker 10: Us sick in practice he was already sick.
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: No.
• 55:16
  Speaker 6: No, But if he just said that, oh is he
• 55:18
  Speaker 6: talking about yesterday?
• 55:19
  Speaker 5: No? No, No, he's limited right now.
• 55:22
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So I don't know, that's a that's a gray area.
• 55:26
  Speaker 5: It might. I mean maybe with people with Mayo it's
• 55:29
  Speaker 5: it's not right, But with Belichick, that was what I'm
• 55:32
  Speaker 5: saying upon that.
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: Tweet could have come out before practice as well. It's
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: not necessarily something that happened.
• 55:38
  Speaker 8: In Honestly, let's be real.
• 55:40
  Speaker 10: If you're the head coach of the Cincinnati Bengals, are
• 55:44
  Speaker 10: you really going through the beat reporters Twitter to see,
• 55:46
  Speaker 10: like what is happening in practice?
• 55:48
  Speaker 7: Not Zach Taylor.
• 55:49
  Speaker 6: I'm having somebody else.
• 55:50
  Speaker 5: Somebody's doing it. Yeah, I've got a list on Twitter.
• 55:53
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, with all I need, I've.
• 55:56
  Speaker 8: Just watched the tape. No one has time to be
• 55:58
  Speaker 8: nitpicking through Twitter to see who's playing.
• 56:00
  Speaker 5: Oh, there are people who live for it. Yeah, that's
• 56:03
  Speaker 5: like that. I'm serious. That's someone's job.
• 56:06
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I feel sorry for that person.
• 56:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Oh yeah, because.
• 56:09
  Speaker 8: Half of this stuff on Twitter is not true.
• 56:12
  Speaker 6: That's true.
• 56:13
  Speaker 7: It's more, I'm sure they're not necessarily looking for Jalen
• 56:17
  Speaker 7: Rager is great one handed catch. It's more who's their
• 56:19
  Speaker 7: left tackle?
• 56:20
  Speaker 6: You know?
• 56:20
  Speaker 5: Correct?
• 56:22
  Speaker 7: Yeah? Right, especially when you have new, uh new personnel.
• 56:26
  Speaker 7: You know, you want to know if there is it
• 56:29
  Speaker 7: cheap square for a left tackle or is it Kayden
• 56:31
  Speaker 7: Wallace at left tackle? Because that's going to make a difference.
• 56:33
  Speaker 4: Wouldn't it be crazy if there was like some football
• 56:35
  Speaker 4: savant here who just is like literally like tweeting out
• 56:38
  Speaker 4: their plays, like watching it and like the like the
• 56:40
  Speaker 4: nitty gritty that like even the lay person wouldn't really understand,
• 56:43
  Speaker 4: and they're like, oh this one, you know.
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: Well, it's like they take the you know, they're here
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: recording on their phone and they go home and they
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: pad every play like.
• 56:50
  Speaker 7: Billy, hold, I'm not allowed to do that.
• 56:52
  Speaker 6: You're not allowed to pad plays anymore.
• 56:54
  Speaker 7: No, I'm not allowed to tell you what plays they're running.
• 56:57
  Speaker 6: Well you shouldn't.
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: Why would you do that?
• 57:00
  Speaker 7: I don't do it.
• 57:03
  Speaker 4: So actually, quick, real quick, I tracked down the full
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: twenty sixteen Patriots playbook online.
• 57:11
  Speaker 5: I wanted to print but I couldn't. But interesting thing,
• 57:14
  Speaker 5: I have a new if you want it, do you
• 57:15
  Speaker 5: have it? We have an older one if you want it.
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: Well, the interesting thing is that they have each day
• 57:19
  Speaker 4: of training camp plot it out, and so they have
• 57:22
  Speaker 4: low red zone, high red zone, you know, like everything
• 57:24
  Speaker 4: we've watched they started in their exactly.
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: That's why I was like, Jeff, is this someone who
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: had the playbook and just said I'm going to put
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: it out?
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: I guess it's on a script. You got to like
• 57:36
  Speaker 4: subscribe to. Actually there's a lot of ads going on.
• 57:38
  Speaker 4: You got to really you know, sift through it. But
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: but it's pretty you know, just pretty cool because you're
• 57:43
  Speaker 4: seeing what they're looking at before the day's practice and
• 57:46
  Speaker 4: we come in and we're like, oh, they did the
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: red zone day, but you know, see the actual plays
• 57:50
  Speaker 4: laid out that they're you know, trying to get through
• 57:52
  Speaker 4: in a given day of practice.
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: See, if I was a team, I'd put out fake
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: playbooks so people think it's our playbook and now there's.
• 58:00
  Speaker 7: Right, he's done that, Bill's done.
• 58:01
  Speaker 10: That.
• 58:03
  Speaker 7: Used to leave playbooks in like the visitors' locker rooms
• 58:06
  Speaker 7: and stuff like that when they would leave, and so
• 58:08
  Speaker 7: that the teams thought that they were getting the Patriots playbook.
• 58:10
  Speaker 7: And it was gazy.
• 58:13
  Speaker 4: It's kazy the amount of time that went into like
• 58:17
  Speaker 4: specifically putting in plays that will be like not give
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: them any clue of what they're actually doing.
• 58:22
  Speaker 7: Like a lot of you have you have you gone
• 58:25
  Speaker 7: through seventies protections?
• 58:26
  Speaker 4: Yet no, I skip the protections because we get the
• 58:29
  Speaker 4: protections the motions.
• 58:30
  Speaker 5: You know, it's like yak and all that.
• 58:32
  Speaker 7: The seventies protections is that's calculus.
• 58:36
  Speaker 4: No, it's I mean, it's it's it's just fun to
• 58:38
  Speaker 4: look at it and imagine like having to dive into
• 58:40
  Speaker 4: that thing and know everything and every motion and every
• 58:43
  Speaker 4: line shift, and you know every route. You know, single routes,
• 58:47
  Speaker 4: double roads, three three man routes, like it's all in there.
• 58:50
  Speaker 4: So I don't know, it's a it's it's jam packed.
• 58:53
  Speaker 7: Definitely gives you a huge appreciation for the mental side
• 58:58
  Speaker 7: of it. From a players standpoint, how some of the
• 59:01
  Speaker 7: you know, these guys master every single play in that playbook,
• 59:06
  Speaker 7: It's not as easy as it looks.
• 59:07
  Speaker 5: The flash cars probably flash cars last cards would help me.
• 59:10
  Speaker 5: That was my thing. Geometry. I think it would be
• 59:13
  Speaker 5: be hard. And you know, obviously it never played, you know,
• 59:16
  Speaker 5: at any significant level, but I think it hard. Thirty
• 59:20
  Speaker 5: two lead on one, power I right, twenty two league,
• 59:22
  Speaker 5: it's on one. It's on one. I'm gonna switch it
• 59:26
  Speaker 5: up on second and ten and go power I left.
• 59:28
  Speaker 5: Twenty three leads You ever going first sound that's always fun. Oh,
• 59:31
  Speaker 5: any time you went on too, it was a disaster.
• 59:33
  Speaker 5: It woul might as well have been second and fifteen.
• 59:35
  Speaker 5: Got that one dumb offensive lineman like Bobby. Yeah, you
• 59:38
  Speaker 5: missed the DeSantis and Sandro.
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: Paul, you missed it. Last Tuesday, we had a brainstorming. Uh.
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: It had to do with statues, and we were talking
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: about famous statues in Boston and somebody brought up, you know,
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: Paul Revere, and I said, what about Paul Everett?
• 59:54
  Speaker 4: I told Paul. Then the joke didn't stand up on them.
• 59:57
  Speaker 4: But Paul was that was? That was a fred? That
• 59:59
  Speaker 4: was a Fred gem was that was? That was wonderful.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 5: I heard contact. He went over, went over like a
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 5: lid balloon.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 6: People didn't get it at first, but then they got it.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 5: Got a town from there, He's from there. You're not
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 5: even from here. There's not even a statue of Paul Everett.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: An Everett from Everett to Everest, the Paul Perillo story.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 5: From Salkin, from Sorkin to Salkin. Day two of them
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 5: were already off the rails.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: Andrew and Bradford writes in uh question mainly for Evan.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 6: Sorry guys, but all feel free to comments.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: Based on the Vegas odds, the Patriots aren't favored in
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: any individual game this year. If the odds are any indication,
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: the team is likely going to be trailing in games
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: a lot for an offense that's supposed to be focused
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: on establishing the run game to set up explosive passes.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: How will this be impacted if the Patriots fall behind
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: early in a number of their games? What did you
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: notice from a VP offenses in the asked when they
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: did fall behind by multiple scores?
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 5: Good luck on that one.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a good question, because this is a nippick
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 7: of my boy, Kyle Shanahan is often that the forty
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 7: nine ers don't have a ton of comebacks because their
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 7: offense and their team is an on schedule operation, and
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 7: it's something that does get nippicked a little bit about
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 7: this coaching tree and about this offensive system that you know, Yeah,
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 7: when you are playing at least from a neutral script
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 7: or ahead, then everything is humming along, and you know,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 7: you can run the ball, and you can set up
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 7: your play action and you can sequence it together, and
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 7: then you get down by two scores and they tend
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 7: not to come back in those games because of the
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 7: way they're built. So it's a good question, and I
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 7: guess it remains to be seen how much of an
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 7: impact it has, but it's certainly something that people have
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 7: talked about in the past with the Shanahan Tree and
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 7: with this offense.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 6: So correct me if I'm wrong.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: But we're about forty five minutes into this practice and
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: we really haven't seen any offense defense work yet.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you are not wrong. No, it's been a little different,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 5: a little different than yesterday.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 8: You're not wrong.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 10: But I also feel like yesterday they didn't do special
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 10: teams work, so maybe that's why they focused a little
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 10: bit more on that, and then they'll get to the
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 10: offense defense.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 7: We're also fifteen minutes longer today.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yesterday scheduled to be till twelve forty five today.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 5: The running thing, you know, the run to set up
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 5: the explosive plays. I mean, I would just say that
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 5: I I agree with that premise and that overall philosophy,
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 5: but I don't think it's like you don't want to
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 5: fall behind like obviously, you know, any team would rather.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 5: You know, the best teams in football will be the
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 5: ones that get leads and keep leads and dictate, right,
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 5: That's the way that the dynasty was built. Yep, you know.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 5: But I don't think you necessarily have to run the
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 5: ball overly effectively to set up those explosive plays. I think,
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 5: and I heard old friend Mike Lombardi talking about this yesterday.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 5: Houston is one of the worst rushing teams in the
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 5: league last year, and they were one of the most
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 5: effective at play action. So they couldn't run the ball,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 5: but every time they play actions, they were successful doing it.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 5: So I don't necessarily think one has to happen for
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 5: the other to exist.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 7: The nerds are applauding you, Paul. They're applauding you because
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 7: this is something that we've believed.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 5: Given Mike Lombardi credit. But I heard him say it
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 5: and I.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: Agreed with it, So he's right.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 5: There's more than a little fact in that, because I
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 5: if it was something I didn't agree with, I probably
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 5: would have ripped him right. But I did agree with
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 5: thanks giving me some little hope with the nerds.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 7: I'm surprised that Michae Lombardi said it because he's a
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 7: little bit from the old school football type of thing,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 7: and this has been a debate between the nerds and
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 7: and the football you know, the actual football players. I
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 7: would say, is this whole run game success versus play
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 7: action success. The data would tell you that volume of
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 7: running and successive running has no bearing on the success
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 7: of your play action passing game. Now, the people that
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 7: play the sport would tell you that body blows matter.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 7: You keep getting run you know, they keep running the
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 7: ball on you, and then eventually that's going to open
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 7: up play action passes and it's making you more eager
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 7: to jump into your run fits and all that kind
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 7: of stuff. But over the course of time. But we
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 7: have data that suggests that those two are not correlated.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 7: What really opens up play action passing is just marrying
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 7: it to the running game and making it all look
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 7: the same for the defense, so everything looks like it's
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 7: a run play until it's not a run play. If
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 7: you do that type of stuff and you marry the
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 7: two together, then you'll have play action passing success, not
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 7: necessarily if you average five yards carry. Now, when the
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 7: Browns were humming, they were doing both. They were averaging
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 7: five yards to carry and they were hitting the play
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 7: action plays. But you know last year with the Browns,
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 7: they were second in the league in air yards per
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 7: pass attempt on early downs Like this is not designed
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 7: to be a dink and dunk offense. You know, they
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 7: want to throw the ball down the field, they want
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 7: to push the ball deep. That's a big part of
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 7: the offense, and it is a little bit different than
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 7: what we've seen around here. Now when they get into
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 7: third down, there'll be more traditional West Coast and it
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 7: will be a little bit more timing based. But in
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 7: terms of the early down offense, this is a chuck
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 7: it down the field type of offense. They are not
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 7: looking to throw five yard slants on first down.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 4: It's interesting to me because I think the implication with
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 4: you know, being able to run affecting you know, is
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 4: that the defense is like, oh crap, man, we can't
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 4: stop the run.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 5: We got it. We have to get up there every
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 5: time that we got to play. And it's not really that.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 4: It's really more about confusing the defense. It's not about
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 4: putting them on their heels and saying we can't stop
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 4: the run. It's that they just don't know and they
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 4: have to react to the run because they're kind of
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 4: on their heels already.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that makes sense.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 3: Yep, let's see Louie right sin can Paul just admit
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: he's wrong? But you really name sim Can you really
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: name seven players that we should have let walk and
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: not have resigned? Shape was great two years ago. He's young,
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: and it's a great contract. We were all saying at
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: some point that he might get a big contract from
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 3: another team, and Jennings was pretty good and that was
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: also a great contract.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 5: I mean, come on, Okay, so you I can definitely
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 5: name seven guys, but you disagree with them. But that's okay,
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 5: Like we don't have to have the same scouting report
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 5: on players. I think those guys are jags. You think
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 5: they were worth resigning. We can disagree on that.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: Well, but I also think he says they're worth resigning
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: at the contract they resigned them.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't, But I mean, like, so I don't
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 5: have to admit I was wrong. I just have a
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 5: different opinion than you.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 6: But you need a strong middle class, Paul.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 5: Okay, I think that's the whole roster is a middle class.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 5: They need, they need the penthouse is what they need.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 5: They need stars.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 6: Well, he's wearing agreed.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 5: Okayt's relax. I did enough of that yesterday, Tim Wrights, yesterday,
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 5: in three hours, Tim Rights.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 3: And Ryland please change his number. Seeing a kicker wearing
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: thirty seven just looks wrong. He looks like a kid
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 3: who dresses Rodney Harrison for Halloween.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 5: You know, we were talking a little bit about receivers
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 5: early in this in the in the program, Yes, can
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 5: I ask you, guys, what if anything you've noticed from
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 5: Taekwon Thornton.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 6: Nothing?
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 7: Nothing, He fred that was harsh, decent practices in the
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 7: spring and then immediately got hurt on it or missed.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 7: I shouldn't say hurts don't missed. The last day of
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 7: mini camp. Was invisible yesterday, like Jalen Rager has flat
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 7: out out played him. Like I know we all think
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 7: Jalen Rager is a jag to use the las term,
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 7: but Jalen Rager has just flat out been better, well
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 7: he should be, and in regular season games, in actual
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 7: games and in practice.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 10: He's a spring long I've been saying I don't have
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 10: Taekwon Thornton making his team.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 5: No, I don't either. But what I meant, more so
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 5: was not really about how he's playing. Like I talked
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 5: about all the different guys that were in an out
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 5: of the line up yesterday, I didn't really notice him,
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 5: Well where is he He's just he's just he's at
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 5: the fifty yard line, okay, just on the right from
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 5: the field, on the right, I see him going, But
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 5: I like I I saw, you know, a half dozen
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 5: receivers in and out of the lineup, guys in the slot,
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 5: guys outside. I didn't really notice eleven a lot yet. No,
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 5: I didn't notice eighty either. Yeah, I didn't notice it.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 5: And now that you bring that up, Mike, I didn't
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 5: notice a lot of booty either.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I missed.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 5: I missed my booty. I would love to know.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 10: I would love to know what's going on in Taekwon
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 10: Thornton's head, because when you look around your wide receiver
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 10: room and see, like, not all of us are going
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 10: to make this team. Like, do you think that your
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 10: practice yesterday reflected that you should make it?
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 6: Right now? It sounds like your finger wagging.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 5: I don't think that he had anything wrong in practice.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 5: I didn't see him. I didn't see him in the
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 5: in the Yeah, but that's not up to him. That's
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 5: my point. Like, I just I wonder if they've just
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 5: kind of written him off off, Like what's that list
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 5: of guys, Mike that you talked to the other guy,
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 5: the other low ones he was he was with Jackson,
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 5: he was with them yesterday was.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 7: A little bit too. But I think he's maybe a
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 7: little bit behind because of the thumb injury, and now
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 7: he's you know, it was missed a little.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 5: Time, but he got some some reps in the sevens and.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 7: I did I saw a Taekwon out there. You did
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 7: see him, okay, because I see him. He was running routes,
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 7: but in terms of his actually that.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 5: Makes me feel better.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 7: It was zero and uh, it just it just goes
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 7: to show how far away he is because they are
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 7: desperately starving for any sort of vertical speed element to
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 7: this offense. And you have this guy that runs like
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 7: the wind but just can't make an impact in an
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 7: in a football setting, and it's they're starving for it.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 7: They're screaming for him. And I see Devon Devon Godshaw
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 7: sighting overyonder.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 5: Yes, oh here he comes walking out.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 7: So he I would say, based off of his holding,
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 7: Demeter is holding in.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah. With with back to Thornton, do you think the
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 3: injuries that he had his first year kind of ruined
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 3: him a little bit?
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 6: Like I just don't think he's that good.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 4: I know, I just don't think he's a He's not
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 4: a dog, right, Like I don't want to say like
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 4: that sounds stupid, but like he's not physical.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 5: I mean all he is is tall, like kind of
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 5: tall and fast.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 4: Like he's got no real like physicality to his game.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 4: And I think the only hope I had was that
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 4: in a new offense, they weren't gonna try to like
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 4: run him into the line or have him trying to
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 4: crack block guy, you know, like some of the stuff
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 4: they did when he got hurt. It's like, well, yeah,
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 4: you're you're sending him into the line, uh, to try
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 4: to block. I just I don't know, I didn't see it.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 4: I mean, I did clock him for one catch yesterday, Booty.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 4: I didn't even realize was out here yesterday.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 8: Mike.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 10: I don't think it's stupid what you said about him
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 10: not being a dog. I feel like to play both
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 10: wide receiver and defensive back, you have to have that
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 10: it factor, that dog in you.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 8: Yeah, Like that's part.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 4: Even talk A big point from from Hard Knocks, which
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 4: was like Molik Neighbors who just has that vibe of
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 4: like I want to win so bad, you know, And
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 4: it's uh, you know, And I don't mean anything a
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 4: guy like like his personality wise, like it's just the
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 4: way he plays the game. It doesn't really you know,
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 4: you don't see his speed ever really being a factor.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 4: I mean, how many the only time he looks really
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 4: good running is when they do that drill where they
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 4: have to like every five feet there's a cone and
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 4: they have to like step over, and you're like, all right,
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 4: he's he's a long stridery it looks pretty good.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 5: But even like just.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 4: Comparing him to like the short, choppy, kind of powerful
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 4: strides Javon Baker's about to go right now that that
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 4: he kind of runs with just an aggressiveness, and I
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 4: just I don't see any aggressiveness in take in Taekwon Thornon.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 7: I was kind of hoping that up quarterback like May
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 7: would at least give him us a look about what
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 7: he could do down the field. Uh, he's built in
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 7: a lot of ways like tes Walker down in North
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 7: Carolina who had a great year, Uh well when he
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 7: was available for his productive for Carolina with Drake May.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 7: And you have a quarterback like Drake May that is
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 7: so good throwing the ball deep that Mac Jones just
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 7: wasn't necessarily that type of quarterback. So I thought maybe
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 7: that that could potentially unlock Taekwon a little bit. Where
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 7: now we have a quarterback that can hit him fifty
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 7: yards down the field in stride, whereas before maybe you didn't.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 7: But so far it's just it does. It's just not there.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 5: It's like the Ragger like that should have been Thornton.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 4: That should be Thornton doing that Rager thing is today
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 4: where you know what I mean, and it just has
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 4: never it is, it hasn't happened.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 5: That's not him. Yeah, I totally agree with with Evan.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 5: I think Rager has been better. Can I throw out
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 5: something for Godshaw? Like, you know, I'm just watching me.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 5: He doesn't have his helmet with him. He looks like
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 5: he's just kind of he's watching that mass Live tweet
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 5: that said that Christian Barmore might be under the weather.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 5: I wonder if maybe Godshaw I'm serious, I'm the both
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 5: defensive linemen.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 3: They kind of look like lockers near each other.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 5: Just possibility, you know, I don't know. People get them
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 5: away from the rest of the team. What are we doing?
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 5: What fenized fragenizing in the middle of the field.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 3: That's a good point, Mike, Yeah, we might be holding
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 3: in on.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 5: It could be holding in I mean, my my gut
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 5: reaction is that it's contractual. It just comes out in
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 5: the related You guys are ready for team, I'll watch
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 5: the team for you.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 6: So now I think we're gonna get a little team
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 6: action here.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 5: Here you go. Fred usually have to pay extra for that.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 6: Cor eleven if anyone's watching. So about an hour.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 5: That was pretty good, Paul.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 7: This happens when we start to get these two hours.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 5: I do know. But now it's like, all right, team periods,
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 5: let's go all right. So yeah, no bar more here,
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 5: you know, based on what we had heard, not not
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 5: really a huge surprise. No, uh, no Judon either.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 7: No, Jude's out there out there.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 5: I'm sorry, I'm looking at the wrong side. Right, I'm
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 5: looking at the wrong side armand Watts.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 7: Think that's Distra and cut on.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 5: But still still no Barmboa though, No no bottom one.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 3: Oh oh, and from the looks of it has not
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 3: yet taken over the starting shot.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 8: Thank you, Fred for the obvious.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 7: Did he catch that?
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 5: I think he did? I think I think he caught it.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 7: Yeah, okay, I'll give it to him.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 5: Wow, who's he? Hunter? Henry Hunter?
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 3: Hen?
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 7: I think that's a sack in the game.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 5: Oh well, I mean that's that's different. I think he
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 5: caught it. I think it was.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 3: If anyone's interested where Gerard Mayo is, he's behind the offense.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 5: So we got we got a little Venerian low now
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 5: at that right tackles, Is that who we got?
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 7: Yes? Otherwise I have to admit I do not love
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 7: He was not very good at right tackle. Is putting
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 7: it politely?
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 8: Do you prefer him or Calvin Anderson?
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 3: Though same right Venerian Lowe was.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 7: I know what Vederian Moe is at right tackle, and
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 7: that's not gonna cut it. At least with Calvin Anderson.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 7: There's a little bit of an upside or an unknown.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 5: The only thing I'll give Calvin Anderson is when he
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 5: played last year, knowing what we know now, he was
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 5: clearly not at a hundred sick. So he was bad.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 5: Calvin Anderson was bad in that Miami game. Yes, in
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 5: week two. I'm still going on some eleven's here ball
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 5: out quick, yeah.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 7: Juju seven, pitch pitch her out, hitch, hitch beat some pressure,
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 7: got the ball out. And that's what Those are the
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 7: things that you know. The friend's point about the coaches
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 7: see things that maybe we don't. The things that you
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 7: see with Jacoby is that the ball comes out on time. Yeah,
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 7: and it's not dynamic, it's not dangerous. He's not a
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 7: playmaker back there, but he gets the ball out on
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 7: time and he runs the huddle like a professional, and
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 7: those types of things are what are going to to
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 7: keep him in in this job right now.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 5: So well to Henry at the Tristan Hill out there
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 5: getting somewhere, is that ninety seven Tristan, Yes it is.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 4: It might be this just some little rotation going on.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 4: You got schooler going getting some reps with the what
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 4: would look to be mostly a lot of the starters
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 4: on defense, Romandre. So you think Rere's gonna be the
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 4: workhorse if it all goes according to plan. Remandre workhorse,
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 4: I have no choice. But do you think it's like
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 4: clean cut where it's that was Kevin Harrison, Remandre or
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 4: Gibson any down or do you kind of say mostly
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 4: Romandre first second, Gibson third down?
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 5: Maybe more of a.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 3: Early on you want to establish Romandre as a guy
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 3: who can also catch the ball.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 5: Well that's what I mean, Yeah, you can. He's he's it,
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 5: He's got that ability.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 7: There comes Taekwon Thor and Christian Gonzalez.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah, let's watch this one. Here we go the.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 7: Right side of your screen.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 5: But now I'm seeing Amandre empty, Gus Red.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and so there we go man coverage.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 5: He got open. Oh that's I couldn't hold on.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 4: But that again, I think that's everything we've been kind
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 4: of talking about, which is poke. Poke didn't really separate.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 4: Looked like he had a chance though, to come down
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 4: with it. Couldn't couldn't come down played by Marcus played
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 4: by Marcus Jones. And like I said, I think we
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 4: all saw Thornton. If it was quick bang bang, might
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 4: have might have been a play there for him.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 7: That was an empty look and they just had man
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 7: coverage across the board. Find your shot again.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 5: Though, you know, it seems like Drake and quiet, quiet
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 5: on set, superstars and quiet on.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 6: The set, man at work.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah, So like that's what's the case yesterday. It's a
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 5: second offensive line that I.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 6: Was saying, really not setting him up to succeed.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 5: But when you stay like you did yesterday at right Guard,
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 5: which I think is interesting.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 7: Yeah, we have Osbourne, Henry and Taekwon, so he is
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 7: getting some of the I think that's Hermond.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah, the receiver was just constantly rotating.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I ze.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 3: Friend in school with those daisy dukes, daisy dukes.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 7: And then some a little bit more mid zone or
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 7: inside zone today, that's gonna be the compliment, you know.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think Mike and I would think of the
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 5: same thing.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 7: They call it mid zone, which it's semantics, but yeah,
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 7: that's gonna be the compliment. Right, you're gonna and then
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 7: you're gonna have some pin poll Paul, which is the curveball.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 5: So I throw that stuff at t J all the time.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 5: He just mocks me and I do the Fred sniff afterwards. Yeah,
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 5: I don't want to see more of those pulling.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 6: It down the running.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 3: We don't like that.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 5: But he looked good doing it. Not as good as
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 5: he did yesterday. No, no, not an Allen. Yesterday was like
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 5: Nick Josh.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 7: He just so pretty.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 3: Alex Van Pelt getting a little practice calling in the plays.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 3: He's got the walkie talkie.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 5: So remember those days twenty twenty two, how many snaps
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 5: are sent there on that half?
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 7: He was one, two, three, four five boy alright, So
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 7: he got Jalen Polk out there with him, and I
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 7: think that's Rager on the other side.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 4: Poke on the outside and Mitchell Wilcox getting some some
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 4: run on the inside with mister Hooper.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 5: The Polk Alex Austin matchup.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 7: There what we've all been waiting for.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he's got him. He got open on that one.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't see him though, no pressure right away
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 3: and may Yeah.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it looked like blown block there.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 5: But I liked that route by uh yeah, by Polk
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 5: on that one. Yeah, that was a little window. Got
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 5: got good inside leverage right off the right, off the
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 5: snap leverage fucking mid zone. Know, we stacked him that
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 5: corner got out of face. The sniff was coming, you know.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 5: Receivers are trying to stack the guy. They that's what
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 5: they try to do. In other words, they try to
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 5: get the defender behind him so he hasn't had the
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 5: angle to get around.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 4: So and then as I as I put this in
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 4: my head, so obviously pin and pole you're getting you're
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 4: getting the end to bite on the zone going the
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 4: other way, but it's really going no right.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 7: No pinin pole is like essentially just the zone.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 4: I'm saying like your left, your left tackle is gonna
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 4: block down and your right, your left guard is gonna
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 4: come around.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 5: So if I'm the right defensive ene. It's like a
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 5: stunt on defense.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it's it's the Zone family's version of like counter right,
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 7: So like you're you're essentially you're gonna pin down and
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 7: then there's gonna be an unblocked guy for a second,
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 7: but then you're gonna hear home with the polar and
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 7: then that's how you pin and poll.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 5: It's Andy Greshwood, like that old guy. That's what they're
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 5: telling Taekwon to do.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 7: But yeah, the Browns are were a big pin pole operation,
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 7: so I would expect to see a bunch of that.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 3: Sipping on pin and pull nice laid back I like it.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 4: Maman on wat Zone, I don't watch so.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 5: I can't resist a little snoop five each. There a
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 5: little too many running places let them throw.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 3: And I don't. I don't. Again, we don't know exactly
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 3: what they're doing out there, but they didn't have a
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 3: lot of time. There were a lot of people in
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 3: the backfield there.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 5: Well, they ran the ball three in the place that's
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 5: kind of unfortunately.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 6: A car for it's a big guy.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 3: Huh yeah six six.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I haven't, I haven't. I don't think i've clocked
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 5: him in person yet. I am curious because.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 7: He's got an athletic built.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 6: He does.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 7: He's built like a left tackle. It's not like they're
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 7: trying to put you know, like an you know, like
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 7: who's built stocky like a guard and you're putting him
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 7: out of a tackle. You can see the body type
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 7: of a left tackle. It's just all going to be
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 7: whether or not he can he can flip his his
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 7: hands and his feet and everything. But you look at
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 7: him just with your eyes and you see an athletic.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 7: He's built, you know, long human being.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 5: Who gets done first.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 4: God charge, you know, does the hold in work or
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 4: does the I'll play on it if I have to work.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 7: I'm still wondering what Davon Godshaw's leverage or just what
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 7: his thought processes like.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 6: Was this like he.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 3: Got an extension last year, right, correct?
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 6: So then what what was the issue with it?
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 5: Now? He wants more money because everybody else got.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 8: More money, I think, isn't it? Is this the last
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 8: year of it though?
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah, this is the last year of his contract. Yeah.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 4: No, you know, Jabrill Peppers, he ain't complaining. He's just
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 4: out there doing what he does.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 8: Jabrill is just happy to be here, right, happy to
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 8: be here.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 5: That's why we're best friends. He clearly isn't happy, by
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 5: the way, but he handled it very well yesterday. But
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 5: you could tell that he was in that group, like, Hey,
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 5: where's mine I'd do it. I'd do it, I do
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 5: it right now. How old is he, Mike, He's I
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 5: think just a year older than Douggar. Yeah, twenty eight.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 5: I think I think Douger's twenty seven. He's twenty eight.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 8: I believe.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 4: I just I mean, I think he's better than Douglas.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 4: I just think they're very different, that's fair.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 5: I mean Peppers is more physical, yeah, and I think
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 5: Douga's pretty physical, but I think Peppers is more physical.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 5: I think Douger makes more plays.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm on that. I think dougarug might be a
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 7: little bit more splashy. Peppers might be a little bit
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 7: more solid.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 3: Peppers is he's he made some plays last year.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 5: Did you guys see that? I guess the quote on
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 5: receiver after Peppers blew up? Uh?
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Adams DeVante Adams remember that last year, like forced
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 4: the fumble that almost hit the ceiling, like he hit
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 4: him so hard.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, pissed at Josh running me into it, like getting
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 5: killed this Thornton and seven on seven Thornton with a catch.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 5: So again with Mario Douglas looks like he's on a
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 5: similar plan as yesterday. Hasn't really done much in the Yeah,
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 5: he did a teamwork and he's been running sprints back
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 5: behind the end zone again. Now he's back over.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 8: With the special teams. It looked like he was returning.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 5: He did do some stuff. I'm kind of confused a
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 5: little on what's going on. I wonder if it's some
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 5: kind of upper body injury as opposed to Yeah, maybe
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 5: you know what I mean, something that prevents who can running.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 5: But they don't want him to get shoulders I mean
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 5: they don't want to from the shoulders thing. Still, did
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 5: he have a shoulders thing.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 4: It was, well, he had a shoulders thing as a
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 4: roof of any and then last year was a shoulders thing.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 5: He had a shoulders th Remember the concussion.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a good question with him. It's it's the
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 7: only thing that holds me back from saying that he's
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 7: going to be a really productive, high volume players. Is
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 7: he durable enough to be able to do that? You know,
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 7: he's got the talent to be a guy that catches
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 7: you know sixty five seventy passes in the NFL offense,
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 7: But is he going to be able to be out there?
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 3: There's one downfield, they're broken up.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 7: There ain't a whole lot of separation.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 5: There's your guy, locked him up and put the seat belt.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 5: Put the seatbelt on.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 8: Bro Mike speak of guys that have that dog in
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 8: the pepper is definitely.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 4: Literally like take the X right, it's in there. That's well,
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 4: I know who I forget one of the guys.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 5: Have you seen the guy? He's built like the incredible Hulk.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 7: My favorite bid is how much deuce peer?
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 5: It's a huge you missed season one? Yes, the best,
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 5: the best player, the best player on the Is he
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 5: that far off? That says a lot depends on I
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 5: didn't ask. I would put him about it in the middle.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 3: But now you're playing on Paul's side of the street.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 5: That's all right, I dabbled, No, I think that my
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 5: side of the street is that it's not a no
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 5: brainer answer. I think you could probably have three or
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 5: four different answers. Right, Well, he's my.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 7: Player on the team, and I still feel like that
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 7: belt belongs to Matthew Judah until proven.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 5: Right, that's and that's what I said. But you know,
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 5: coming off an injury, wants a contract by the end
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 5: of the And then the next thing she said, Christian Gonzales,
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 5: who you know, I don't know, got hurt the same game.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 4: No, I mean that's but that's who. It will probably
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 4: be one of it this year. It'll be one of
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 4: those three guys.
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  Speaker 5: Just to think you don't think I nitpick you Hey
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 5: wrong enough.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 7: Now, Barmore had the best season out of anybody on
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 7: the team last year.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 5: It's good Barmore, I think would be oh ju ju
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 5: getting redirected. Think bar Moore might be the answer.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 8: I think Barbour could be a pro bowler if he
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 8: says healthy, I.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 7: Think he should have been a pro bowler, which Juju doing?
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 5: Hi ho h?
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 4: No, Thornton was getting redirected Jacoby Brissett pre snap.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 7: Yeah. The Pro Bowl is interesting because, like the voting
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 7: is always it's no, it's just usually like you have
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 7: to do it once.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 5: I'm just gonna say, Joey sli is out there.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 7: Yes, yes, out there. Like your breakout season is not
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 7: the year you make the Pro Bowl, it's the year
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 7: after your breakout season.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 5: Now you make everybody that happens a lot.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I feel like Christian Barmore was a pro bowler
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 7: last year, but it was his first real big season
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 7: for the Masses. Bricky year was good too.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 5: But May's out there all right, don't talking Joey slies
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 5: about to do something misfiring from forty till Rake kind
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 5: of pats it a little bit.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 7: I don't slant.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 5: I don't want slant. I want slants on the back shoulder.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 3: And in the UK says, uh, we've spoken a lot
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 3: about how May needs to beat out Brissette to get
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 3: the starting job.
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 6: What a Brisset is really bad? But May is just okay?
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 6: Who do you start?
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 5: If May is not ready?
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 4: Then you start per set right right, Especially to like,
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 4: I feel like there is value in getting to know,
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 4: really know your office.
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 8: You know, you don't want to take back what I said.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 5: Yes when you put in so you know when you
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 5: got when you put in Drake.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 4: You kind of have some sense of where your problem
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 4: areas are, You know what your strength might be, and
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 4: you can kind of manage it a little bit better
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 4: rather than going into that first game where for every
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 4: team it's you're a little blind, you don't know exactly
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 4: what you got until you start hitting.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 5: I completely agree with that.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 7: Stevenson just in a little discomfort after this catch.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 5: Is he sick? Are you mocking? Just it's going around, Paul.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 7: It doesn't look like he's seeking out trainers right now,
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 7: but he he is hunched over there for a second.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 5: By the way of it, my ankle still hurts from
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 5: that fall on Brady Day, just.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 8: Tumbling down the stairs.
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 3: Yes, the older you get, the longer it takes going.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 5: I mean, I'm just like today you've arrived.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 4: I mean, I think it's I think it's a I
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 4: was trying to be like, man, I'd be pretty cool
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 4: for high.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 8: Ankle stre We are you texting and walking?
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 10: Though?
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 4: Well, technically I was trying to track down my suit
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 4: for the night, and I was a little bit frazzled Tom,
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 4: and I was walking downstairs looking at my phone.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 5: Folks, don't do it public service announcement. You will fall.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 5: Luckily the cut on my right knee, he'll he'll you
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 5: necessarily fall.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 3: That must have hurt, though, Oh no, it's definitely hurt.
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 10: But my ankle is Did your ego hurt more than
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 10: the actual cut?
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 5: Oh?
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 6: He was crying like message.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 5: No, I was glad Evan.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 4: As he was going down, I was like, I was
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 4: almos gonna help him, but I almost I almost.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 7: Tried to catch him, but I felt like he was
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 7: just gonna knock me over.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 3: Hurt.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I think if no one would have been around
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 10: to see the fall, I wouldn't have.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 8: Hurt a batch.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 5: See.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 4: I'm so demented though that. Like anytime I experienced a
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 4: minor injury, I always look at it through the like
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 4: the view of like can I play no, of like
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 4: a Patriot's injury? Like like so I'm like, I'm like, oh,
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 4: is this a high ankle? Like is this what it
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 4: felt like for Cronking? Super Bowl forty six? Like when
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 4: I heard my ribs, I'm like, man, you know, did
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 4: Brady play through ribbon jery like this?
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 7: Like exactly was his face?
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 5: Seven?
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 10: Was his face like back going down the stairs after
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 10: his injury.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 5: Talk about moments that to find mac Jones's tenure hair. Yeah,
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 5: that one boy. Tough picture, tough picture.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 7: A couple of completions here in sevens for Drake Many.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 5: Another catch for Thornton.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 7: Yeah, A quick hitch to kJ Osborne, another shake and
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 7: Baker to Jabon Baker.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 8: I love how you keep saying that Mike shakea bank.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 4: Someone else came up with Drake and Bake, and I
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 4: kind of like that one too, So I don't know
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 4: if I can steal that.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 8: Shake Bake Dragon Bake.
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 7: He is uh yet to balls yet to hit the
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 7: ground here in the seven on seven Wow.
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 5: Wow, Brady, Like for what it's worth, it's not worth average.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 7: Depth of target of about five and a half d You.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 5: Know I was gonna, I was being nice. I was
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 5: thinking the ball has also yet to travel more than
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 5: five yards in the air.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 7: But hey, it's context, Paul, it's on Texas Key.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 5: I let it go.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 10: I forgot who asked this earlier. But do you think
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 10: the training wheels are going to be on for a.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 7: While for Drake may I don't think Drake Mells knows
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 7: what training wheels are, right, So that's it.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 5: I think I wanted it.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 7: A big difference is, you know, his playing style wheels
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 7: is not is not training wheels, Like if you it's
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 7: gonna be hard to rain that guy in I. I
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 7: just don't feel like he plays that way at all,
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 7: Whereas I feel like Mac was always so buttoned up.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 5: Something I might find I might be the only one
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 5: finding interesting. Continuing the seven on sevens Joe Milton before yes.
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 4: I guess Zapp's day wasn't quite that good yesterday, hold on,
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 4: hold the phone, but hey, maybe maybe they liked what
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 4: they saw a couple of reps in Milton yesterday and
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 4: give them a couple more.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 7: He's the reps. Ye, see what he does with him?
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 5: You can't cut that, arm I haven't been trying to
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 5: redirect one of your trio of see I it was,
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 5: Oh and now they're disgusting. I can't stand it, right, Brady,
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 5: we haven't.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 10: It.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna say I'm going to give Milton a check here,
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 5: Like he looks like he's annoyed at the receivers for
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 5: not knowing where they're supposed to be. Come on, guys, whatever,
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 5: that's good leadership.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 7: We got this in the hotel last night.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 5: Come on, that's good leadership. You mean the meetings this morning, Evan,
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 5: Joey Milton quick trigger.
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 7: See those are the throwers that are just that's gonna
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 7: be tough for him, you know, slants and stuff.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 5: It's not Cam Newton.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 4: Because Cam Newton I feel like had to like build
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 4: up the like many of unleadship, whereas Milton just kind of,
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 4: you know, it's just a quick kind of unload.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 5: It seems like guys have a little trouble fits. Milton
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 5: doesn't look like he's throwing a bowlder like cam, you know,
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 5: like the bowling bag bars that he would throw.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 3: According to this emailer, News just broke, potential trade candidate
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 3: and impending free agent Broncos wide receiver Courtland Sutton agreed
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 3: to our restructured contract.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 6: Okay eh, Courtland Sutton.
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 4: I can't do this with every single receiver who possibly
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 4: might be available this year. Like no, well, I'm gonna
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 4: worry about that next year, Like I'm moving on with
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 4: this group and we're gonna let this play out, and
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 4: it's probably not gonna be great, but you got to
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 4: hopefully set the table for next year that that you
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 4: can try to get that guy.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 5: If Mac, you know, if Drake, I think they should
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 5: be aggressive in the free agent market because somebody's gonna
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 5: be available. Can't imagine all of these guys are going
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 5: to get a deal.
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 8: It seems like, do you think it's gonna come down
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 8: to more than money?
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 3: Though?
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 10: Do you think it's gonna be a situation where someone's
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 10: gonna want to want to play here under your quarterback.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 4: Well that's and that's what I mean, Like, you know,
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 4: you wanna like we want to feel like that there's
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 4: a spark from this team and you want the rest
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 4: of the league to say, geez, you know there's something
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 4: like what they're doing, yeah Fox, you know, like how
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 4: do you think Stefan Diggs as much of it as
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 4: a jerky as like some of that. He must have
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 4: been excited, you know when he saw what what what
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 4: Josh Allen was doing. You know it's like, all right,
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 4: this is a young kid and I'm going to be
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 4: his guy.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 5: And you know it's especially if you say, come.
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 4: Out of this year and all right, we've got you know,
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 4: some guys on the inside with with Douglas or Baker
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 4: who just caught one from Milton.
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 5: You know, if you could just have one.
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 4: Or two of these guys emerge next to you know,
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 4: the role that that that Pop Douglas is kind of filled,
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 4: which I consider for receivers back catches here for jay.
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 10: Von Baker because for me personally, like if I'm you know,
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 10: Brendan Ayuk and if I want to go from Sunny
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 10: California all the way to the northeast. Like, of course
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 10: that would come for the bag, but I also want
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 10: to be playing for a quarterback, not just getting a bag.
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 8: But then I'm not getting anything on the field.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 5: Well, it's not as sunny in San Francisco as it
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 5: is in l A.
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 8: And no better rather than here, just as expensive.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 5: I'm not sketchy watherwise.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 7: That's why I'm not like I'm concerned about waiting all
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 7: the way to free agency because you're, let's face it
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 7: right now, you are not an attractive destiny. And we
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 7: just saw this happened with Calvin Ridley where boom. Yeah,
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 7: we can say that maybe the Titans offered him a
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 7: little bit more money, but all things created equal, I
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 7: think he just wanted to be in Nashville instead of Year,
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 7: and he wanted to play for that team instead of
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 7: this team. And that's the difference. Like, if t Higgins
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 7: is the one prize free agent in the wide receiver
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 7: market next year, which is where this is trending, he's
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 7: gonna have ten teams that are going to be interested
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 7: in signing him and you're just one of the ten.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 7: Whereas if you trade for the player that's your he's yours,
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 7: like you can't you know, Brandon not you no offense,
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 7: he has no choice. Yeah, if he gets traded from
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 7: San Francisco to the Patriots, he's a Patriot. There's something
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 7: you can do about it. So that's my concern about
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 7: wait until free agency is now you'd get into a
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 7: bidding war with you know, eight and ten eight eight
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 7: to ten other teams that all want the guy, and
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 7: all it takes his one team that he feels like
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 7: is a little bit better off than you are.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 5: And now you it's a really good point. If you
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 5: wait until free agency, then you have to fight the
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 5: other thirty one teams. That's why an ideal you just
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 5: you draft the guy. You know, that's well ideally, we're
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 5: not worried about it because Polk and Baker are really
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 5: good as rookies. And you're like, okay, I like what,
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 5: I like what we have one of those guys. I
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 5: mean he's profiling as a top flight receiver.
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 4: That's what no one would say, And I mean it's
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 4: probably the long long shot of what if those guys.
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 5: Are actually really good? Ye, It's like, you know, you
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 5: know the argument that you and I had at the
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 5: beginning about the offensive line. Absolutely, if all of those
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 5: things happen, then it changes the narrative.
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but that's and I mean, you know, to be fair,
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 4: Paul and I intimated this a little bit on when
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 4: I was on the raid of this morning. It's like,
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 4: I don't know that the receivers are going to be fine,
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 4: Like I don't have that kind of you know, you know,
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 4: optimism that it'll be a okay, I I think they
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 4: might really struggle, you know, explosive plays down the field,
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 4: that the stuff that Evan's been talking about that you know,
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 4: really are the reward of this offense. You know, if
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 4: you execute this offense on early downs, it's going to
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 4: open up those big plays and when they're there, you
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 4: have to be able to hit them. And you know,
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 4: if they just don't have the horses that can get
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 4: behind the coverage and you know, really stressed defenses, it's
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 4: it's just it might not really all come together in
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 4: the way that it needs to.
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 3: Oh well, it looks like we're gonna get a little
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 3: eleven on eleven.
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 5: Now let's go to eleven eleven eleven.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 4: Jock Cooby, jeez, I yeah, Jacoby's seven. The first time
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 4: he's here, right, I just brain farted back to that
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 4: in my notes. All of a sudden, for some reason,
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 4: he was.
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 3: Donnie, and Pittsburgh writes in Donnie, I read the article
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 3: about Calvin Anderson's recovery, and he seems to be really
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 3: gambling on himself. You said he looks healthier already. Can
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 3: we glean anything else from the eleven on eleven drill
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 3: so far? Is he quick off the snap? Is he
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 3: holding his ground aut right tackle?
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 8: Gosh? All those questions or what I'm hoping to be
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 8: asking him after practice?
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 5: And are you got the snap? I don't like. I
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 5: didn't know that he was sick last year. I don't,
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 5: and even like visibly, I don't like he had Yeah,
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 5: I didn't know what he was dealing with last year.
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 5: I don't. I assume that he's healthier, but you can't
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 5: see that he's healthier. It looks healthy.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 10: And he actually tweeted, and he actually tweeted from his
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 10: account two days ago. He's actually been two years removed
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 10: from training camp. So last year and the year before.
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 7: Wow on Monday. Yeah, I'll have some line talk once
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 7: the pads come on.
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 8: But on a serious note, I think I do have
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 8: him today after practice, So.
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 7: That's that's the route that they're looking for, but they
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 7: they need to sell it harder, and I think part
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 7: of the problem is is that, like the defense is
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 7: not really expecting you to run the ball right now,
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 7: so it's kind of harder to sell. But jud is
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 7: going to be unblocked on that clue let scheme. The
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 7: idea is that you fake it so hard that he
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 7: runs himself out of the past rush. At that time
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 7: he was able to pressure.
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 5: That's just one of my things. Like you said, the
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 5: defense is not expecting to run the ball, and I
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 5: totally agree. I mean, you have immediate pressure, which is fine,
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 5: but then he's also you know, Peppers and Jones are
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 5: completely sitting on that route waiting for Polk to come across,
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 5: and they have them double teamed. It's like they know.
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 5: So you'll wonder like is it the offense not being
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 5: able to execute or is the defense kind of just
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 5: being that much better or is it something where they're
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 5: just kind of knowing what's coming.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 7: Yeah, So that play right there is one of my
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 7: favorite in this offense. It's a zone rollback pitch, so
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 7: you're going to pitch it to the running back and
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 7: he's gonna almost like a counterplay where like his first
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 7: few steps are to the left and then he's actually
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 7: gonna roll it back up through the middle of the field.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 7: And the teams that are good at it all the time,
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 7: remember Pittsburgh, like twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen killed the Patriots
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 7: with that over and over again. So it's a it's
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 7: a fun play if it's executed properly.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 5: I guess, say just a little thing on Deuce's defensive radars.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 5: I don't know. And I'm again, this is a file
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 5: under a day and a half.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 7: Of practice that was supposed to be a screen.
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I just I wonder if White is gonna push
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 4: Dietrich Wise a little bit out of some reps this year.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 7: See, like I look at them as different positions, and
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 7: I feel like that's the whole thing with with Kean
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 7: White that I still can't wrap my head around. Is
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 7: is he a hand in the dirt player or is
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 7: he a standout player like Dietrich Wise is a three
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 7: four defensive end. He's a hand in the dirt player,
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 7: and uh, Keon White to me is an outside linebacker.
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 7: But at two hundred and eighty five pounds you're gonna
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 7: play outside linebacker like that's asking a lot from an
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 7: athletics standpoint.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 4: So what he's been doing though, I'm just saying, we're
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 4: seeing a lot more two down then again, I don't know,
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 4: this is two days of practice, but.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 5: You're also you're also missing Godshaw and bar Bore.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think that the two down linemen like these
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 7: are it's because this is passing at this point, right,
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 7: so they're playing these passing fronts. Now, it's we really
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 7: have to wait till Monday to see what they're gonna
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 7: look like base wise. I'm just I'm just throwing it
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 7: out there, I know, just telling un Yeah, I don't know.
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 4: Good at a feeling trick Wise over on the left
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 4: field when they started working, and I don't know, it's
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 4: a little bad, which is weird because you feel like
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 4: he should be one of their.
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 6: When you jus when you say he was on the
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 6: left field, what does that means.
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 4: A little bit more of the backup centric guys on
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 4: the left field, and that's you know Techrick Wise is
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 4: a vested veteran here. I don't know, just someone caught
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 4: my eye, but i'd say too with like you know,
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 4: just with all these reps that were watching, when it's
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 4: the starters, there's always one or two random dudes in there.
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 5: Taekwon. Yeah, and that you know, you know the whole
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 5: like that looked like a regular play. That looks like
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 5: a regular play. Yeah, he was on the back foot,
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 5: balls out coming out of his break. Timing was there,
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 5: he was, you know, created a little separation.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 7: Yeah. I definitely see that today from Jacoby. The ball
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 7: coming out on time a little bit more and he
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 7: did a nice job there is stepping up around some
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 7: pressure too. It looked like you kind of helped his
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 7: offensive lineman by stepping up through the pocket a little bit,
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 7: so that that was a good drift there all around.
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 10: You know.
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 5: During this team period too, I noticed that they had
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 5: two tights on a couple of plays and it was
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 5: Mitchell Willcox and is it Petway Yeah, Michael that way.
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 5: So yeah, some different personnel groups again, much much like
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 5: was the case yesterday.
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 7: That's still a sneaky question to me. As well as
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 7: that inline blocker. I believe they signed Cooper thinking that
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 7: he's going to be that guy. But you know, in
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 7: an offense that wants to run the ball like this,
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 7: I I just don't know if if Hunter Henry is
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 7: really the best guy to be, you know, digging out nine.
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 5: Techniques as we like to say, digging out nine tech
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 5: another one of your zone tosses.
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 7: Yeah, so don't get hurt.
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 4: Our just got pancake, Got pancakes.
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 5: There you go in a non contact drill.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 5: I always thought they got Hooper drive the boat. Hooper
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 5: drives the boat.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 7: Chief. I think that was because I picked on your
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 7: Ditrich Wise tape.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 5: Go back to learn the playbook too.
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 3: I get it, I get it.
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 5: A little was.
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's always kind of in the MiGs. You see
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 4: a little bit of your guy or my guy, Joe
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 4: Jiles Harris.
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 7: They just won't quit the Josh blood so huh. They
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 7: just keep on trying to make that a thing.
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 5: Nice, nice, And we just gotta get Dietrich Wise with
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 5: a sack.
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 7: We just got to get this blocked. Guys, what are
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 7: we doing? Guy's running through the line.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 5: Find it hard to believe that you'd be celebrating after
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 5: a play like that, So explain it a little.
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 6: Well.
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 5: They just said that they had Dietrich Wise have a sack.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 5: He tapped him in, threw liked.
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 8: It.
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 7: Still feels like they're they're trying to get down there.
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 7: You know, their assignments when they do try to sell
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 7: their own as a play action pass and you guys
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 7: are moving to try to sell them run like a
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 7: run blocking play. But then it's just leaving guys wide
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 7: open through the line. So that that Dietrich whis with
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 7: the unblocked pressure there, I mean, he.
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 3: Just may.
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 5: Quiet please. Yeah, we got cheat on the slot.
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 6: That's it.
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 5: Oh wow, had a little separation on that play. I
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 5: like to see it, a little slow development. But he
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 5: hit that ball well, it comes Jacoby one cut. I
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 5: did him a little five. I didn't know if he
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 5: hadn't given handed that ball off.
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 7: See, those are the things though with him, the the
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 7: little off platform, like he just didn't even need to
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 7: step into that bro and the zip to get that
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 7: to Jail and Polk is there regardless. I mean, the
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 7: ball just explodes.
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 3: And by the way, the height matters to play you
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 3: very you're very close to the line.
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 7: That might have been an r PO. Yeah, that's that's
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 7: one I'd have to look back at. But I feel
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 7: like that might have been an RPO because he held
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 7: it at the mesh like for.
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 5: Check the feet.
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 3: I wish I could the mesh.
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 4: Surprised you don't have a little lipstick, Kim. You know,
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 4: I thought about it, secret secret Lazar breakdowns.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 5: On the dark Web.
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 7: Right now, then I'll break the rules.
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 5: Handoff Bentley probably would have buried him.
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 7: Yeah, those plays like you know, it's the one yesterday
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 7: where he throws the juju on the bootleg. It's the
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 7: feat don't need to be set, he doesn't need to
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 7: step into it, and it just looks natural. Yeah.
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 5: So we were talking about Calvin Anderson earlier right tackle
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 5: yesterday with the first group, left tackle today with the second. Yeah,
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 5: so as Mao always says, don't read into it, it's
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 5: going to be fluid.
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 4: At Kayden will Let's getting some some right tackle snaps.
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 4: Here with the tubs. It's Mitchell Wilcox kids getting.
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 7: Getting a lot of work, not a lot of hoop.
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 5: But today I wonder maybe Hooper's sick.
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 7: Everybody's sick.
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 5: He's sick of driving the boat. Quinn. I like the
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 5: sub was a subtle one. I like it.
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 7: Miscommunication there on the route Taekwon put his hand up.
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 3: Is that Taekwon plus someone at his feet or Bolden
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 3: Bolden good coverage.
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, she's kind of like and that's another thing where
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 4: you just feel like Thornton kind of disappears into Bolden,
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 4: just kind of gobbled him up.
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 5: No no real way for him to get away.
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 7: It looks like Taekwon put his hand up there to
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 7: drink May. Like, my bad, I should have kept her
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 7: on it.
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 5: I agree. I thought that's my best indicating.
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 7: Because it could never be Drake May's fault.
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 5: So help out on this show, bro that you go
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 5: to some much someone else's show for that crap. Oh
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 5: do you see how we checked that? How we checked
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 5: that one down?
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 3: Checked it down like a chap, a little side arm,
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 3: quick decision.
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Man, So Evan, you were talking about inline blocker.
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 5: You know, is there a guy that necessarily profiles for
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 5: a third tight end in that role given the lack
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 5: of depth in the running back, do you think that
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 5: that might open the door for a guy like Bell? Well,
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 5: I would make it as a versatile piece that might
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 5: be able to play full back or whatever.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 7: Yeah, Like, I would hope that Bell makes the team
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 7: as the third tight end regardless. But he's more of
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 7: like an off the line player though.
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 5: You know, no block Yeah, but I mean, because you
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 5: don't have a lot of depth in the backfield, he
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 5: might provide some.
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 7: He also he might be able to carry the football.
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 7: You know, he could literally carry the football and in
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 7: a pinch as well. You know he did that in
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 7: college at South Carolina, played running back, started his career
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 7: as a running back and then moved the tight end.
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 7: So he's got a lot of versatility, the types of
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 7: ones that you'd like to see obviously complete.
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 5: But Crosser, he looked like he kind of stopped.
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 7: The Yeah, so he can't blame Drake.
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 4: It almost looked a little bit like that, uh that
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 4: incomplete Drake had in cam where it was it was
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 4: zone guy sat down, he kept throwing it like he's
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 4: going to keep running.
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 3: So do you think when the scribes put out these
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 3: stats today there'll be an asterisk next to that incompletion.
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah, now we'll give we'll give that context.
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 7: We'll give them that when they put out the stats.
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 7: But those are the types of plays that you want
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 7: to see from Jahim Beldo because then he can catch
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 7: and run it on the move.
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 5: But it was funny because I was just talking about it.
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 5: He lined up in the backfield then he he shifts
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 5: out to you know, the the tight end spot, you know,
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 5: kind of an h back and then he runs a
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 5: quick crosser which is supposed to be his forte. Unfortunately
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 5: they connect, but yeah, Milton getting some.
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 3: Reps here third again ahead of Zappi.
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he's got his hands on his hip.
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 3: She's not happy, his shirts off, and he's doing calistus
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 3: in the end zone.
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 5: He's making a signal with his hands. What's he doing,
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 5: He's doing dance hands.
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 6: Oh, just who dropped that?
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 4: Probably just broke a fa I mean Milton had to
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 4: try to squeeze it in there.
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 5: It was like between three defenders, and I mean honestly,
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 5: like the ball was there and I couldn't tell was
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 5: it in front or behind right front? It looked okay,
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 5: it looked like so it should have showed that. So
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 5: it's a good throat.
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 6: The ball was perfect.
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think it was a catchupall I wrote drop.
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 7: I thought I'd give Booty a drop on that one.
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 7: But those are still the ones that you know, he's
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 7: throwing that ninety five mile an hour high heat. It's like,
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 7: you know, good luck catching that for five yards away.
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 3: But that wasn't five yards away.
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 7: That was seven.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 5: Nice Mike. These are my people now I have them
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 5: all going back at Fred. It's great. See that's fun.
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 5: It's just Kelly's got the arm that just get it.
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, it's just a flick.
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah, guy in his face just kind of tossed it over. Whatever.
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 7: It is amazing that the arm talent from what we've
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 7: watched the last couple of years to these two guys
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 7: like I have no idea if either one of them
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 7: are going to pan out, but it's apparent that their
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 7: arms are just on a different planet right than what
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 7: we've been watching.
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 8: I know.
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 5: Well, you got the North Carolina hat, Paul, Right, that's
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 5: not today.
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 8: Oh yeah, we were talking about you yesterday when you
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 8: left the show Facts.
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 7: Why what did I do?
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 8: You had the North Carolina hat?
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 3: Mary?
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 5: I thought you were supporting just the hat, just a hat.
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 3: Guy.
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 5: He went down there, he scouted, he did it. He
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 5: bought a shirt.
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 7: That was me d I was at the right. Let's
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 7: not forget that.
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 8: We definitely brought a hat and added to his shrine.
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 7: Absolutely not. I'm a duchie.
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 5: It's got to be a tough school to get into
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 5: out of state. You know, Carolina virtually impos very difficult.
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 5: But you know, well you got to apply to some schools.
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 5: You're not going to get into it. Well, when you're
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 5: the backup center for Femwick, right, you got what do
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 5: you mean back.
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 7: James Bell?
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 5: Oh fumbles? Yeah, see, I didn't see Jaem Bell at
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 5: all yesterday.
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 7: He's been involved today. That was a little slant that
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 7: he caught from Jiff Jill Milton.
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 3: Milton goes all the way downfield to give him a
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 3: chest bump.
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 7: But that's what he's gonna do. I mean, he ran
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 7: that route from the outside and you know, to Paul's point,
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 7: he motioned out of the backfield, kind of ran a
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 7: shallow over the middle from like an off the line
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 7: position as a tight end. Like he's gonna be able
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 7: to move around the formation and do some different things.
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 7: And he's he's dynamic with the ball in his hands.
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 7: So if they can find ways to get him matchups
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 7: and get him into foot races against linebackers, and he's
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 7: somebody that can break off chunk yards. It's not gonna
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 7: go eighty yards, but you know he can go twenty
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 7: twenty five at a time.
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 8: RKK sighting, Yeah, there he is.
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 6: He's got his bonds will be black on today?
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 5: Milton, was that Leverett? Who's who's snapping these? I didn't
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 5: sixty five.
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 7: Maybe I think is Yeah, that's who I'm seeing is
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 7: upsetting with himself right now.
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 3: Sixty eight sixty maffee, yeah, Hoffey, So row'd you get
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 3: that text?
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 8: Should do that now?
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, get ready. I was gonna go downstairs. I
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 3: guess we're gonna do the player interview down on the field,
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 3: so good luck.
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 7: Looks like we might get at least one more rotation
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 7: for Jacoby Brissett here. I don't know they're gonna fit
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 7: one in for Drake too, but.
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 4: Like a little friendly composition for some push ups or
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 4: something here. Yeah, I like that, you know, finished strong? Yeah,
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 4: I gotta get down there for those interviews today. I
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 4: missed all of them, yesterdam felt. I felt like I
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 4: missed out.
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 7: A lot more. Taekwon thoring today, Polly a lot more.
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, I'm glad I mentioned it earlier. The e
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 5: mention made some catches too.
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 3: We're in that slow down let them catch it.
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 5: Must be some installation, yeah, and whatnot? Tosser. See, this
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 5: is the stuff where I just if people are keeping
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 5: stats for this. I don't I don't get it.
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 7: They're not. Luckily, we've we've evolved. I've won that battle.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 3: We've understood that Andre gained four point five yards to
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 3: carry today.
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 5: Right, suspect effort from the defense on that one. They
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 5: just they're not bought in. Let them catch it. Glad
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 5: they got Jalen Hawkins in New Jersey too. They retired
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 5: the mccordy left over. It's amazing to me that you
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 5: notice these. So was that that was a that was
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 5: another B and Evan's Bonnett too?
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 10: Right?
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 5: You were that you were disturbed by that? Which one
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 5: the mccordy jersey on Jalen hip Yeah, I love it.
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 5: I don't love it what that he's wearing thirty two? No,
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 5: it was just like it's all dirty and stuff.
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't care for it.
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 5: One.
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 7: I don't know.
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 5: That's all. Well, this was This didn't really have a
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 5: big highlight today.
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 10: No.
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 7: I think your boy Jabriel probably had the biggest highlight.
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 6: I think the longest patch was like maybe fifteen yards
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 6: or so.
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 4: I mean we kind of lived off that uh rager
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 4: catch up the sideline yesterday. But I guess we're stacking
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 4: stacking day by day.
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 6: But amazing the.
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 5: Play that Pepper's made on Henry, you're talking about it.
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 7: Yes, yeah, I had to say a highlight of the day.
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 7: I think that was probably the most Marcus Jones made
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 7: a nice play.
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 5: Too on I had that written down to.
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 7: Yeah, basically the same exact play, the same exact route.
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 4: Jake masonally, get some walk through time, check with me,
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 4: check with Merito.
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 3: Alert.
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 5: They drops back and they let them caught it. Catch it,
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 5: it's Mitchell Wilcox. You think they could do something about
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 5: it if they wanted to.
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 6: You can only hold one play from a and now
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 6: they're off to the hill.
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 4: I keep thinking it's Mount Lacos or Matt Sokel or
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 4: those guys are all kind of blending to all.
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 5: Of those other guys. You fell in love with it
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 5: various times in the last five years. Fall in love
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 5: with Mat Lacos.
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 4: But uh, but man, I just I can't keep track
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 4: of our third tight end. It's always kind of seems
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 4: like the same guy to me.
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it looks like things are wrapping up. Players are
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 5: heading to the hill for some more conditioning runs to
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 5: close things out, as was the case yesterday and Dead.
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 7: I'd say a little bit more involvement for Taekwon and
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 7: jaem Bell today offensively. And the one thing that's been
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 7: pretty steady the last two days is Marcus Jones is
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 7: the top nickel in the starting defense. So you know,
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 7: I swear I kind of thought, you know, we were
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 7: headed with that. We'll see if that changes all that
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 7: stuff down get into the summer. But you know, I
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 7: feel like Marcus Jones right now has the inside track
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 7: to be the starting nickel and we'll see how it goes.
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 7: I am wondering now if we get to, you know,
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 7: some packages where it's like Marty Mapu or a Dugger
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 7: Peppers or someone that's a little bit bigger, a little
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 7: bit gurthier there to handle early downs. But in terms
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 7: of you know, when teams get into obvious past situations
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 7: and they want to play three true corners out there,
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 7: it definitely seems like Marcus Jones is going to be
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 7: the third corner for now.
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 4: I think Isaia Boldin's look at you know, I know
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 4: in the springs, I saw him in the but but
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 4: you know, he's kind of popped them up here and
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 4: there a little bit. But I think they said in
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 4: the spring they still view him more as an outside corner,
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 4: but not a lot of movement there so far. Hard
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 4: hard to kind of read into how third corner that.
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 5: Kind of stopps all playing out, Oh, Marty Mappo.
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 7: As a so some guys just kind of running on
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 7: their own, had uh what quality armand watts inside you know,
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 7: no Barmore, No gotcha. So I saw a lot of
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 7: that here today.
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, are you wonder guys like Daniel quality kind
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 5: of a I don't know, it just might be a
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 5: guy they have to kind of rely on this year.
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 7: You know, he's had some some stretches.
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 5: He's been reasonably productive as a rush in, sub rusher,
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 5: disruptive filling in for Barmore a couple of years ago.
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 5: Is that where he comes? Yeah, they know we got hurt.
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 7: Last ye, Like you're not gonna he's not gonna hit
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 7: the that you're additional box score, but you start grading
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 7: like hurries and just occupying blocks and you know, just
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 7: doing his job in the past rush on the inside.
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 7: I think he's someone that's prosperable for sure.
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 4: It's like if they truly felt great about him or
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 4: farms or you know, then it would just probably make gotcha,
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 4: no brainer, and just feel like, all right, dude, you.
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 5: Know, look, this is where we're at.
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 4: But I don't know, man, I just I just hope
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 4: that all this stuff is kind of resolved one way
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 4: or another and doesn't drag into the season. I don't
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 4: want to be talking to Matthew Judeene all year with
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 4: that contract cloud hanging over everything.
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 3: Well, and for what it's worth, I think jude On
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 3: showed a lot of energy today. You know, he was
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 3: running around places, you know, showing up in the backfield
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 3: when they were doing eight eleven on eleven's he looked active.
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 3: You know, he doesn't he's not out there body language
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 3: wise showing that he's upset. Yeah, you know, so that's good.
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 3: Good for him, Good for him.
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 4: The Scott Zila Jersey down there too on the field,
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 4: so frough friends spotted that one.
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 11: Are well even there's already it is interesting that there
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 11: are still are certain things that they're still you know,
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 11: running the hill and yeah, they're gonna still keep a
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 11: lot of.
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 3: The Yeah, it wasn't all bad. You know, they won
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 3: a few games over the last twenty so years, so
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 3: I heard, Yeah.
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 5: It's a it's a part of football that I always hated.
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 5: It's the sprints at the end. It's like we had
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 5: up in Vermont.
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 4: We had a really steep hill, like almost ridiculously and
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 4: we would do that one sometimes.
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 7: Yeah, we had We had a ridiculously steep hill too,
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 7: and that both sports I played, Run run that hill.
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 7: Very fun.
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 5: All right, well you guys, okay, if I head down
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 5: there for I'm gonna head down with it.
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 3: Oh wait, you're gonna leave me here alone.
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 5: Oh all right, I'll stay. Well, yeah, we're gonna wait,
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 5: and something needs to be done about that.
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 6: Yeah, we're gonna wait.
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 3: Tomorrow is gonna get a player down on the field,
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 3: so hopefully it'll be a lot quicker than it was yesterday.
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 3: I think I think she might be talking to Calvin Anderson.
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 3: We talked about him during the show. He had that
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 3: illness last year that really no one knew about, and
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 3: then it came out this year. But I think was
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 3: it a Boston Globe article that revealed us.
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Christopher Price, Yeah, so he was.
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 6: He was really sick.
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 5: He had malaria. Yeah, yeah, it was definitely a significant problem.
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's back and out there playing football again,
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 3: So it'd be nice to catch up with him with
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 3: Tamarawe see what's up.
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I just think that the overall, like
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 5: the sort of the tenor of practice. I don't know
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 5: about how you feel, Freddy. I don't really feel it's
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 5: all that different. I mean, I think there's the time
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 5: i'm you know, and things like that that are obviously
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 5: different than usually nine thirty. It's been eleven. But yeah,
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 5: maybe they broke up special teams a little bit more.
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 5: It didn't do much yesterday, did a little more today
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 5: than last year than they would have done. But I overall,
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 5: I don't see a tremendous amount of change. It's football.
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 3: It's football, exactly, Paul. It's football. And I'll bet you
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 3: if you go around the league, they all look the same.
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 3: They all pretty much all looked the same. I remember
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 3: when we instituted, you know, the bus fourth thing, and
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 3: then I found out every team has a buzz four.
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 3: They all do the same thing. All these operational guys
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 3: for all the teams. They talk, oh yeah, we're doing
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 3: it this way this year, and they collaborate on those things.
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 3: They collaborate and practices. The only time I saw you
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 3: make fun of me, But the I do but the
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 3: only practice I saw that was markedly different than what
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 3: the Patriots were doing was that time we were in Atlanta.
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 5: Oh, I don't make fun of that.
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it was it was you know, you had
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 3: Smith walking around the head coach for Atlanta and with
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 3: his pitth helmet on.
• 2:02:05
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  Speaker 3: All right, we're back here in Patriot's Unfiltered. We're waiting
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 3: for the on field post practice interview with tomorrow, and
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 3: we believe it's gonna be Calvin Anderson, who.
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 5: I see now on the uh far side of the
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 5: field about the fifteen yard line. Okay, so hopefully he'll
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 5: make a bee line right over to tom Is he
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 5: making his way here?
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 3: I see.
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 5: It's my favorite part of camp. And see this little
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 5: girl running on here.
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's nice.
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 5: It is my favorite part of camp.
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 5: I wasn't being sarcastic. I think you think I was
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 5: being a you know, my typical one.
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 6: You know this time he cer wit.
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 3: Players don't get a lot a lot of time to
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 3: spend with their families during training camp, so it's this
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 3: post practice stuff. That is really cool seeing the kids
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 3: running around.
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so we'll try to track Calvin and it looks
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 5: like he is making his way across the field. Hopefully
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 5: we can have that and be interested to see, you know,
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 5: what he has to say about just how I'm sure
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 5: it's got to be night and day. You know, his
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 5: mindset and mentality right now than it was at this
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 5: time last year going through that nightmare. Yep.
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 3: As usual, the quarterbacks and some of the receivers, even
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 3: though practice is over, they do a lot of post
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 3: practice work together, just throwing the ball, working on footwork.
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 5: And I see one of the members of the media
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 5: relations staff with Calvin Anderson. So okay, good, I think
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 5: that might be Julia.
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's great.
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 5: He's so hopefully we were close, Freddy. Now, now, how
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 5: does this work? Because I did not take part in
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 5: this yesterday.
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 3: No, it'll just be Tamarrow in a double box. Okay,
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 3: actually no, it'll be a single box today because yesterday
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 3: she was up here, but no need for the double
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 3: box today, so she'll be with him down there.
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 5: Samara is making her way over. So when that happens,
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 5: I imagine I can get sprung. Yeah, you can go
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 5: all right, So I'll make sure that she's hooked up
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 5: and whatnot before I leave you. Okay, Yeah, any any
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 5: real takeaways today?
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 3: No, just building, building toward pads on Monday is really
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 3: what it is. But I think Thornton, you know Thornton
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 3: who herd of who?
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 5: Today? Okay, yeah, so I get her set up. I
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 5: see the camera ready down there. I don't know if
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 5: we have any connectivity with Yeah, with Tamara.
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 3: Good for Thornton to have a day today. We didn't
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 3: have the highlight reel catch that we had yesterday with Rager.
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 3: A lot of run work today with Stevenson for set
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 3: still your starting quarterback.
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and I did. I do think it's know of
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 5: mild interest to me that Milton went ahead of Zappy today.
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you can go, Paul.
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 5: I'll let you go, Paul.
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 3: All right, so let's uh, let's go to Tamara Brown
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 3: with Calvin Anderson.
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 10: Calvin, you posted on social media it's been two years
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 10: since your last training camp.
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 8: What does it mean to you to be back out here?
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah? So grateful.
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 9: I mean it was a it was a trying year
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 9: in twenty twenty three, but you know, I'm glad to
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 9: be past it. Be healthy, be better for it. Looking
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 9: forward to this year, you're.
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 10: Back out here competing for a job on the offensive line.
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 10: How do you perceive your role in this team?
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 9: I mean I got to come out obviously and show
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 9: what I'm capable of doing. You know, I came in
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 9: last year with a bunch of goals in mind, had
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 9: a setback. Now it's about how I'm going to respond
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 9: to that. So now I'm here to show the coaches,
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 9: this new staff, everybody here what I'm capable of doing
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 9: and earn the trust of my teammates too.
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 5: In camp.
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 10: What's your comfortability with playing right tackle.
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 8: On this offensive line?
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean one of the one of the beautiful
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 9: skills I was taught early in my career from Mike
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 9: Munchhak was to be able to play both sides. So
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 9: my whole career I had to be able to prepare
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 9: on both sides and be ready to play. So whatever
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 9: the team needs me to play, as far as right
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 9: or left, and I'll be ready to do that.
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 8: What's it like playing underneath AVP and coach Peters?
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 9: Good guys, man, good guys. You never know how it's
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 9: going to be when you got an overhaul and we
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 9: lucked out.
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 7: Man.
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 9: We got some really good guys up Frond excited to
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 9: work with them this year.
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 10: You're going into year six in the NFL. You're one
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 10: of the veterans on this team. You have a few days,
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 10: more days of helmets and shells. How does that preparation
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 10: help you mentally to put on the pads on Monday.
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 9: Yes, it's important when pads come on. Obviously everything's love,
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 9: everything's full tempo, but these it's good opportunity right now
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 9: to mentally get as many reps as you can and
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 9: make sure you're prepared to transition well. And I think
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 9: I think we're doing a good job of that upfront.
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 9: So you know, we'll see, we'll see what happens with
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 9: the pads come on.
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 8: Thanks so much, Calvin, and we're glad you're back out there.
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 5: The pleasure.
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 8: Back to you guys upstairs.
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 3: All right, Well, that's going to wrap up day two
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 3: coverage of practice. Thank you Tamara, thank you Calvin Anderson.
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 3: We will be back tomorrow at ten forty five with
• 2:07:00
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• 2:07:04
  Speaker 3: now signing off Fred Curs for Mike or So Paul Parilla,
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 3: Tamara Brown, Evan Lazar. We'll see you tomorrow at ten
• 2:07:11
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