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Speaker 3: I'm sitting absolutely nuts.
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Speaker 1: For sure. We are talking about some shit this week.
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Speaker 1: Hell yeah, I've been laid up with various illnesses and
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Speaker 3: I know people know you've had a rough go, so.
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Speaker 1: I haven't had a ton of time to do research.
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Speaker 1: But back on the men, baby, and we are doing
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Speaker 1: a deep dive this week into a moment in history
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Speaker 1: that is very very important, sure in the big scheme
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Speaker 1: of things, especially as it pertains to the government and
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Speaker 1: our military, but also a moment in history that I
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Speaker 1: don't think a lot of people are that familiar with.
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Speaker 3: Uh yeah, I mean I don't think beyond the basic
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Speaker 3: joke of it being a very silly and frivolous military exercise,
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Speaker 3: I don't think anybody really has in the understanding of
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Speaker 3: what was going on at all, Right, and it was
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Speaker 3: on purpose.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I was gonna say, I think that comes
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Speaker 1: down to the fact that the military didn't allow the
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Speaker 1: press to cover what they were doing. We are talking
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Speaker 1: about the nineteen eighty three United States invasion of Granada, which,
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Speaker 1: oh Man, in the litany of Ronald Reagan atrocities, this
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Speaker 1: kind of kicks them off. This is like the first
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Speaker 1: big one.
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Speaker 3: I think it'd be like the cold open of the
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Speaker 3: Ronald Reagan atrocity movie.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because this is you know, two years removed from
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Speaker 1: someone definitely not the CIA, attempting to assass him, sure,
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Speaker 1: and also about two years removed from the CIA, definitely
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Speaker 1: not going to him in his hospital bed and being like,
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Speaker 1: how do you feel about invading Grenada? Now, let's talk
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Speaker 1: about what just happened to you.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: We talk about Ronald Reagan's excursions in Latin America all
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Speaker 1: the time, and in the Caribbean and just anywhere that
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Speaker 1: communism even sort of looked like it was going to
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Speaker 1: take hold, right, and this again is one of the
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Speaker 1: earliest examples of it.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's so many nooks and trannies to this story,
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Speaker 3: more than I think anybody quite realizes.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't realize all of the ins and outs
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Speaker 1: of it. It's a thing I think a lot of
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Speaker 1: people don't even know to look into sure, because it
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Speaker 1: was so quick. Yeah, it was, in a lot of ways,
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Speaker 1: kind of the test run for both of our wars
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Speaker 1: in Iraq.
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Speaker 3: Wars in Iraq, or you know, invasions of Panama. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: all of these things.
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Speaker 1: So let's go over the basics. Yeah, for people who
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Speaker 1: are unfamiliar. On October twenty fifth, nineteen eighty three, President
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Speaker 1: Ronald Reagan ordered US forces to invade the tiny island
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Speaker 1: nation of Grenada. Yes, which seems like kind of a
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Speaker 1: cool place.
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Speaker 3: It seems very chill all things considered.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an English speaking nation in the Caribbean. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: which that part rules because that means I can travel
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Speaker 1: there and talk to people. Yeah, So we invade Grenada
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Speaker 1: October twenty fifth, nineteen eighty three. Less than a week later,
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Speaker 1: the country's government was overthrown and replaced by an interim government.
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Speaker 1: You're not gonna believe this chosen by the United States.
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Speaker 3: Wow. Wow, we never do that, which so it's surprising.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we normally just don't meddle in the affairs of
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Speaker 1: other countries. We had to have had a very good
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Speaker 1: reason to do it in Grenada. I'm sure it wasn't
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Speaker 1: just practice.
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Speaker 3: Right, it was just Yeah, we definitely didn't Keystone Cops
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Speaker 3: our way to a victory in this thing.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the invasion was ostensibly triggered by tensions within the
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Speaker 1: government of Grenada and the People's Revolutionary Government specifically that
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Speaker 1: resulted in the house arrest and eventual execution of Prime
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Speaker 1: Minister Maurice Bishop, which that part's wild. Yeah, and we
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Speaker 1: will get to it. But and people listening aren't going
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Speaker 1: to believe this. In the years since, observers and commentators
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Speaker 1: on all sides have kind of questioned the legitimacy of
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Speaker 1: this invasion.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't imagine why.
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Speaker 1: I know, We've got such a strong track record of
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Speaker 1: telling the truth when it comes to war stuff. But
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Speaker 1: in this case, there are those among us, those who
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Speaker 1: walk among us, augmented humans, who believe that the Reagan
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Speaker 1: administration wasn't being completely on the up and up. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: So to get to the bottom of what happened here,
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Speaker 1: we have to go back in time a bit. We
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Speaker 1: could go all the way back to British colonial I.
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Speaker 3: Mean, yeah, there's a whole litany of atrocities that led
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Speaker 3: up to this atrocity.
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Speaker 1: Yeah shocking, I know, Yeah, that colonialism is involved in this,
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Speaker 1: especially with it being the Caribbean.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, there's yeah, exactly Caribbean Caribbean colonialism come on.
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Speaker 1: As coincidence would have it, the British Empire was at
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Speaker 1: its peak in nineteen twenty two, which is the same
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Speaker 1: year a flamboyant character named Eric Gary was born in Grenada,
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Speaker 1: which was part of the British Empire.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: He would go on to become one of the most
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Speaker 1: important and revolutionary figures in the country. He formed the
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Speaker 1: left of center Grenada United Labor Party aka GULP in
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Speaker 1: nineteen fifty.
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Speaker 3: This guy loves backronyms because there's also jewel. Well, I
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Speaker 3: guess jewels a different jewels, but still there are a
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Speaker 3: lot of acronyms involved in this story.
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Speaker 1: Yes. Yes. Gary held a few different high level posts
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Speaker 1: over the years, including Chief Minister in the Federation of
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Speaker 1: the West Indies from nineteen fifty seven to nineteen sixty two,
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Speaker 1: and for most of his early career he was legitimately
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Speaker 1: viewed as kind of a revolutionary figure and a positive
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Speaker 1: force in the life of Grenadiansyah, things start to take
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Speaker 1: a turn in nineteen sixty nine. That's when a man
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Speaker 1: named Maurice Bishop returned to Grenada after having studied law
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Speaker 1: in England, and he shortly thereafter becomes Gary's main political rival,
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Speaker 1: forming a political organization called Jewel. There we go joint
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Speaker 1: endeavor for welfare, education and liberation that eventually aligned with
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Speaker 1: a couple of other groups has to become the new
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Speaker 1: Jewel movement.
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Speaker 3: I just feel like there's no way they didn't come
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Speaker 3: up with Jewel first and then figure out what it
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Speaker 3: stands for.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's a cool name. It is.
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Speaker 3: Like, but here's the thing, because there's lots of factions
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Speaker 3: involved in the story, and it because of the names,
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Speaker 3: they do kind of start to sound kind of like
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Speaker 3: GI Joe battles.
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Speaker 1: A little bit.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh do they Yeah?
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Speaker 1: How about the Mongoose Gang. That doesn't sound like g
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Speaker 1: I Joe stuff at all.
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Speaker 3: This is what I'm talking about.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Eric Gary, in response to Maurice Bishop returning and
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Speaker 1: becoming his primary rival, he forms a group called the
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Speaker 1: Mongoose Gang.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. He leaves Gulp for the Mongoose Gang. Yeah. To
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Speaker 3: fight Jewel.
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Speaker 1: He breaks ties with Cobra commander and joins forces with mongoose,
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Speaker 1: historically the one animal that can kill a snake dead.
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Speaker 3: Wow wow right Yeah, Yeah, and Gi Joe ever think
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Speaker 3: of that. Did they ever have like a mongoose on
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Speaker 3: their team?
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Speaker 1: I don't know, they shud of just an actual mongoose
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Speaker 1: still ends up killing cobra commander.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, get like a bulletproof vest a gun.
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Speaker 1: Oh, that's cute, little poppy.
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Speaker 3: Except mongoose are horrifically invasive, which is why, like this
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Speaker 3: team was called the mongoose Gang.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. They were called the mongoose Gang because their
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Speaker 1: ranks were called primarily from the ranks of this jobs program.
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Speaker 1: Yeah that Eric Gary put in place back in the
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Speaker 1: fifties and sixties. That was intended to eradicate the mongoose
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Speaker 1: population from the tiny island nation of Grenada.
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Speaker 3: Because they're pests.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then the pest killers become the pests and
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Speaker 1: label themselves the Mongoose Gang.
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Speaker 3: It's pretty convenient to just have this whole army of people.
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Speaker 1: It's a cool.
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Speaker 3: Name, it's a good name, the Mongoose Gang. And they're
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Speaker 3: they're battling their arch enemy, Jewel.
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Speaker 1: Jewel, which not as cool in the face of the
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Speaker 1: mongoose No.
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Speaker 3: But then they have the then Jewel becomes the new Jewel.
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Speaker 3: What was it, the new Jewel movement.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, something like that. Yeah, so that whole jobs
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Speaker 1: program that was back in the days when people respected
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Speaker 1: Eric Gary as a revolutionary figure. By the time the
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Speaker 1: Mongoose Gang is established, people are already a little weary
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Speaker 1: of it, right. That becomes even more pronounced in nineteen
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Speaker 1: seventy three when the Mongoose Gang beat Maurice Bishop, like
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Speaker 1: almost to death. Yeah, just whip the shit out of
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Speaker 1: this guy.
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Speaker 3: This is what happens when you give a bunch of
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Speaker 3: guys mongoose bats instead of on your political adversaries.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. You can't call someone to mongoose and expect them
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Speaker 1: to not act like a mongoose. It's a very aggressive animal.
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Speaker 1: Around this time, Eric Gary starts arguing that Grenada should
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Speaker 1: be granted independence from Britain. Yeah, it's crazy to think
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Speaker 1: how many countries got like deep into the Disco era
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Speaker 1: still being owned by Britain, by Britain US. Yeah, we
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Speaker 1: just make them states.
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Speaker 3: Look, yeah, yeah, we totally will make them states exactly,
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Speaker 3: just like Puerto Rico.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Guam, Guam, Virgin Islands.
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Speaker 3: Virgin Islands, and the Philippines and yeah, yeah, all of
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Speaker 3: these places they'll be states. Eventually. We're gonna have sixty
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Speaker 3: seven states. Sixty nine states.
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Speaker 1: Nice, nice, sixty nine.
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Speaker 3: That just isn't even funny anymore.
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Speaker 1: Not once it's the number of United States.
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Speaker 3: No, it's just been run into the ground by fucking
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Speaker 3: Elon Musk. I think, oh, it just he's kind of
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Speaker 3: rendered it funny.
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Speaker 1: I don't follow Elon Musk enough for him, rather that
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Speaker 1: funny to me. So independence happens in nineteen seventy four
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Speaker 1: and Eric Gary becomes the first Prime Minister of Grenada.
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Speaker 1: The people were happy, obviously sure, but also they were like,
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Speaker 1: that guy's probably just going to make himself dictator, right.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it doesn't help these beating all of his opponents
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Speaker 3: with mongoose bats.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's sick in the mongoose gang on people. So
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Speaker 1: the nation is like, all right, yeah, this is cool
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Speaker 1: but axious. Yeah, and uh, they were kind of right.
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Speaker 1: He does just sort of start eliminating political opponents, jailing them.
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Speaker 1: There was a committee form to prevent him from just
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Speaker 1: becoming a dictator, and at one point they launched a
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Speaker 1: national strike and a protest, and he sent the mongoose
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Speaker 1: gang to fuck them right up.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and not to mention this whole time, the mongoose
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Speaker 3: population is exploding because the gang is busy focused on
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Speaker 3: the right politics.
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Speaker 1: So now they got two problems. Yeah, they got counter
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Speaker 1: revolutionaries and mongeese.
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Speaker 3: Mongoose mong guy, I think it's mongoose like plural.
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Speaker 1: I don't know who knows, who knows, only the mongoose.
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Speaker 1: So in this attack, Rupert Bishop, the father of Maurice Bishop,
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Speaker 1: was killed, and Gary and his party win another election
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Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy six, but most observers deemed that election invalid. Okay,
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Speaker 1: on account of how the mongoose gang was sent out
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Speaker 1: to intimidate voters at the polls, which.
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Speaker 3: She was going to do something about them.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you'll know, at no point have we mentioned
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Speaker 1: the United States being upset about any of this.
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Speaker 3: Yes, the United States is just watching. They've got their popcorn.
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Speaker 1: Because Eric Gary was our guy. I don't think he's
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Speaker 1: one of those world leaders that we installed by way
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Speaker 1: of a coup. But once he took over, we were like, oh,
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Speaker 1: this guy's all right.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, or at least like he was not pushing the
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Speaker 3: country communist enough that we would care.
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Speaker 1: And he wasn't rocking the boat. Yeah, what you find
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Speaker 1: with the people who take over after Gary is out
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Speaker 1: of office. They're not just like making alliances the United
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Speaker 1: States doesn't like, they're like actively calling out the United States.
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Speaker 1: And man, nineteen eighty three was not the time to
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Speaker 1: poke the bear when it comes to communism. Yeah, and
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Speaker 1: the United States. In nineteen seventy seven, Gary started receiving
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Speaker 1: council from Augusto Pinochet of Chile. Oh, that guy on
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Speaker 1: how to deal with civil unrest. Yeah, the guy who
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Speaker 1: had a Nazi torture camp. Yeah in his country well
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Speaker 1: into the seventies.
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Speaker 3: And the Gusta's like, you have some helicopters here you go, Yeah,
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Speaker 3: free for use, don't mind the blood.
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Speaker 1: The police and military also received counterinsurgency training from the
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Speaker 1: p regime.
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Speaker 3: Cool. I bet the people were real chill dear about this.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. But this is actually where things start to turn
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Speaker 1: in terms of Grenada's relations with the United States, because
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Speaker 1: in response to Gary teaming up with Chile, Maurice Bishop
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Speaker 1: starts kind of teaming up with Cuba and making alliances
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Speaker 1: between Cuba and the New Jewel Movement. And oh man,
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Speaker 1: the United States did not like that.
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Speaker 3: That was a whoopsie. Like, I don't know what his
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Speaker 3: other options were, but that's going to cause issues.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, especially at this point in history. Meanwhile, within Grenada,
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Speaker 1: people start worrying about Eric Gary's state of mind, mostly
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Speaker 1: because he all of a sudden gets really interested in UFOs.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I love this part.
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Speaker 1: October nineteen seventy seven, he addressed the General Assembly of
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Speaker 1: the United Nations, urging them to establish an Agency for
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Speaker 1: Psychic Research into Unidentified Flying Objects and the Bermuda Triangle.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Now look, you know, Granada is very close to
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Speaker 3: the Bermuda Triangles. So I kind of get it. You
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Speaker 3: kind of want to get that thing locked down. See
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Speaker 3: what's going on.
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Speaker 1: He also called for nineteen seventy eight to be declared
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Speaker 1: the Year of the UFO.
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Speaker 3: Fair enough, and that was immediately granted. I assume yes,
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Speaker 3: why you know, why not? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: What's it gonna hurt?
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Speaker 3: Yeah? Who cares? Mag it was gonna do anything about it?
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Speaker 1: Yeah. That same year he started arresting members of the
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Speaker 1: political opposition, and the final straw came when a rumor
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Speaker 1: started circulating that the Mongoose Gang was going to start
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Speaker 1: murdering people while Gary was out of the country on
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Speaker 1: yet another trip to the UN to talk about UFOs.
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Speaker 3: Realizing his first un visited about UFOs was in October
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Speaker 3: seventy seven. Do you think he just like really got
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Speaker 3: into Star Wars.
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Speaker 1: It's possible like Star Wars.
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Speaker 3: Came out and it just blew his mind and it
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Speaker 3: really made him start thinking about UFOs.
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Speaker 1: Oh, we're talking about the movie, not the Reagan.
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Speaker 3: Defense nineteen seventy seven, Star.
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Speaker 1: Wars early for that, right, it could be.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and like Cherrys of the Gods was earlier that decade.
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Speaker 3: And I don't know, I don't.
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Speaker 1: Want the Death Star coming down here and doing that
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Speaker 1: to me Mane.
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Speaker 3: It's funny that he just gets like super obsessed with it.
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Speaker 1: I also don't know why he talks like Elvis Well.
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Speaker 3: No, he talks like the guy from Roswell who was
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Speaker 3: his name on Blake and Nunn. Oh Jesse, Marcel Jesse,
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Speaker 3: Marcel Is Jesse, Marcell.
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Speaker 1: Man I saw that you have Oh in the sky.
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Speaker 3: He was delishous.
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Speaker 1: So in response to this rumor that the Mongoose Gang
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Speaker 1: is going to start killing people while Gary is out
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Speaker 1: of the country, Maurice Bishop just launches an armed overthrow
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Speaker 1: of the government while he's gone. Kind of makes sense,
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Speaker 1: and it worked and Eric Gary was told, Hey, stay
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Speaker 1: in the United States. Yeah, for a while.
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Speaker 3: In all, not the worst outcome for a coup. You know,
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Speaker 3: didn't have to kill that guy. He's out of the country,
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Speaker 3: he's alive.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a mostly bloodless coup.
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Speaker 3: I'm sure some people died. I don't know. Yeah, a
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Speaker 3: couple of problems.
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Speaker 1: Like, as far as it goes, a couple of people
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Speaker 1: die building the Olympics every year every four years. What
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Speaker 1: can you do?
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Speaker 3: So?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he suspended the Constitution and the New Jewel Movement
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Speaker 1: took over as the ruling party, and at first his
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Speaker 1: party and Maurice Bishop were both very popular with the people.
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Speaker 1: Their movement came to be known as the Revo, which
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Speaker 1: is short for revolution. They started jobs programs, food programs,
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Speaker 1: education programs, all the shit. The United States does not
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Speaker 1: like countries in our half of the world doing for
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Speaker 1: their people.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, nut fans.
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Speaker 1: The education program especially was bothersome because it involves scholarships
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Speaker 1: that were mostly usable for schools in Soviet Bloc countries.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's tough.
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Speaker 1: So this is a country in our own backyard seemingly
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Speaker 1: making nice with Cuba and the Russians, and oh man,
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Speaker 1: do we ever hate that shit?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that'll get you. That will get you every time.
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Speaker 1: Also, they were working with Cuba to maintain and train
21:33
Speaker 1: their military and police forces. Fortunately for the United States.
21:39
Speaker 1: There was a lot of tension within the NJM, the
21:44
Speaker 1: New Jewel Movement, to the point that by September nineteen
21:48
Speaker 1: eighty three, rumors started circulating that a high ranking leader
21:51
Speaker 1: in the party, Bernard Cord, wanted to have Maurice Bishop
21:55
Speaker 1: killed classic, Which that's that would be like if Mike
22:01
Speaker 1: Hence at some point came out and was like, I'm
22:04
Speaker 1: gonna have Trump murdered, you know, as opposed to the
22:06
Speaker 1: other way around, which is how it actually happened.
22:10
Speaker 3: Yeah, this news.
22:12
Speaker 1: Somehow becomes public and there's a weird split where the
22:17
Speaker 1: public sides with Maurice Bishop, right, but people within the
22:20
Speaker 1: party leadership are starting to side with Bernard Cord.
22:24
Speaker 3: Yeah, the people side with Maurice Bishop because they're like, well,
22:28
Speaker 3: I don't know why you want to kill this man, right,
22:32
Speaker 3: seems like maybe this is a you problem.
22:34
Speaker 1: Seems a little harsh. And meanwhile the CIA is watching
22:39
Speaker 1: all of this, yes, yes, just rubbing their hands together.
22:44
Speaker 3: Oh very nice, good and akin good.
22:50
Speaker 1: And in October nineteen eighty three, the New Jewel Movement
22:55
Speaker 1: leadership moves against Maurice Bishop, Yeah, and places him under
22:59
Speaker 1: house arrest. Things come to a head on October nineteenth
23:03
Speaker 1: when a group of Bishop supporters marched to where he
23:06
Speaker 1: was being held and just freed him from house arrests,
23:09
Speaker 1: which kind of commendable on the military's part, because the
23:13
Speaker 1: military is who was guarding him. Yeah, and they, to
23:16
Speaker 1: their credit, did not just mow people down that they
23:20
Speaker 1: just you know, submitted to the will of the people
23:22
Speaker 1: and let Maurice Bishop go.
23:24
Speaker 3: I mean again, these are this is about as civil
23:27
Speaker 3: as these things can never happen. So far, so far
23:31
Speaker 3: again in the United States, watching and waiting.
23:34
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we're just loving it every minute of it.
23:38
Speaker 1: There had apparently been plans to have Bishop address a
23:41
Speaker 1: crowd of supporters after being freed, but before that could happen,
23:46
Speaker 1: an armored vehicle full of Bernard Cord supporters started speeding
23:51
Speaker 1: toward the audience, and what happened next is still the
23:54
Speaker 1: subject of debate. But someone started shooting and the other
23:58
Speaker 1: side started shoot back, and in the chaos, Maurice Bishop
24:03
Speaker 1: and four other associates were rounded up, placed against a wall,
24:07
Speaker 1: and executed.
24:09
Speaker 3: Yeah. God damn well, not so civil anymore.
24:15
Speaker 1: That is a bold step. Yeah, and the people who
24:19
Speaker 1: did it, like, it's people within his own party, that's
24:22
Speaker 1: the ruling party. And now you've got to go turn
24:25
Speaker 1: to the public and be like, hey, guess what we did. Whoops,
24:30
Speaker 1: we murdered our boss.
24:33
Speaker 3: Yeah, and now we're the boss.
24:35
Speaker 1: And now we're the boss. You're cool with that.
24:37
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I mean it doesn't really matter, but because
24:40
Speaker 3: that's how it is, right, But we're just letting you know.
24:42
Speaker 1: And for the record, people were not cool. Who know. Really,
24:48
Speaker 1: that is a shocking development that got the people of
24:52
Speaker 1: Grenada did not Like.
24:54
Speaker 3: It's tough to really even imagine. Yeah, there's never been
24:57
Speaker 3: a parallel to that in American history, Like we've had
25:01
Speaker 3: leaders get assassinated, but not like this. This is a
25:06
Speaker 3: whole different thing.
25:07
Speaker 1: Yeah. This would absolutely be like if Marjorie Taylor Green
25:10
Speaker 1: killed Biden.
25:11
Speaker 3: Yeah basically, yeah, just like some random person in your
25:15
Speaker 3: party who sucks right and comes up and fucking shanks you.
25:21
Speaker 3: It is like I'm the president now.
25:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that'll never happen here, okay, And so yeah,
25:30
Speaker 1: people are like hiding in their homes after this happens.
25:33
Speaker 1: There's a curfew put in place. This new government tells
25:37
Speaker 1: people that they'll be shot on site if they ignore
25:40
Speaker 1: that curfew. Yeah, but then all of that saber rattling
25:44
Speaker 1: towards the populace gets toned down a bit when there
25:48
Speaker 1: are rumors that the United States is going to invade. Yeah,
25:52
Speaker 1: which bad times.
25:54
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25:58
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Speaker 1: Let's get back to the show. So now this same
27:26
Speaker 1: government has to go right back to the people and
27:28
Speaker 1: be like, hey, all that stuff about shooting you on site,
27:31
Speaker 1: we were just mad.
27:32
Speaker 3: Lol.
27:33
Speaker 1: I was just trying to make you mad. You know,
27:35
Speaker 1: I don't mean that. You know I love you.
27:37
Speaker 3: Come on, baby, you know that.
27:39
Speaker 1: Also, everyone grab a gun. We need to defend our homeland.
27:43
Speaker 1: For the record, even worse, after they pull off this
27:48
Speaker 1: coup and murder Maurice Bishop, the government of Grenada is expecting, well,
27:53
Speaker 1: Cuba and Russia got our back baby.
27:55
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so.
27:56
Speaker 1: They're gonna support us. Cuba was by this.
28:01
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, because Castro was said that he thought he
28:04
Speaker 3: was friends with Maurice. Yeah, they like knew each other,
28:08
Speaker 3: so of course, yeah, he.
28:10
Speaker 1: Was friends with Maurice Bishop. And after this happened, he
28:13
Speaker 1: was like fuck you what, like, you murdered the leader
28:17
Speaker 1: of your country. I'm not I'm not gonna align with you.
28:22
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not like, yeah, you're not gonna You're not
28:24
Speaker 3: making yourself out to be super trustworthy killing your ally's friend.
28:28
Speaker 1: And then there was Russia.
28:30
Speaker 3: Yeah, who was just like who's this?
28:33
Speaker 1: Yeah, like what, I'm sorry? Do you have oil?
28:35
Speaker 3: I've never heard something.
28:37
Speaker 1: Is there something there that we need?
28:39
Speaker 3: Grenade? Grenade? Grenade themes?
28:42
Speaker 1: Are you want to sell us some grenades? Is that
28:44
Speaker 1: what you say?
28:45
Speaker 3: Do you have cherry juice? What's this?
28:47
Speaker 1: Yeah? Russia could not have given less of a fuck. Yeah,
28:50
Speaker 1: because it was too risky for them to go intervene
28:55
Speaker 1: in At this point, they're intervening in our affairs.
28:57
Speaker 3: Well, because it's like, think about it, and if your
29:00
Speaker 3: cored the Cuban Missile crisis was over Cuba and that
29:05
Speaker 3: was in the sixties and it ended up not coming
29:08
Speaker 3: to like a full full scale attack. You think Russia's
29:13
Speaker 3: gonna come over for Granada? Yeah, like come on, sad.
29:18
Speaker 1: So this invasion starts to seem inevitable. But the question
29:23
Speaker 1: is why, like why did the United States want to invade.
29:28
Speaker 3: Right, that's the question.
29:30
Speaker 1: Is it because the leaders of a political party killed
29:33
Speaker 1: the actual leader of the party, Because here's the thing
29:36
Speaker 1: that's a bad look, Yeah, but harsh as it sounds,
29:39
Speaker 1: that's their business exactly, that is internal dealings.
29:43
Speaker 3: That this is nothing so far, nothing has happened that
29:47
Speaker 3: would require US military intervention.
29:50
Speaker 1: Right. And the obvious answer is what we saw an
29:53
Speaker 1: opportunity to replace a government that wasn't friendly to what
29:57
Speaker 1: we wanted.
29:57
Speaker 3: We don't like them, yeah, and they're having trouble, so
30:02
Speaker 3: why not.
30:03
Speaker 1: Because again, the Maurice Bishop regime was aligning with Cuba
30:09
Speaker 1: and Russia, ye, at least in our eyes. And their
30:12
Speaker 1: rhetoric toward the United States was really harsh. Yeah, Like
30:16
Speaker 1: they were out there on the world stage calling us monsters.
30:19
Speaker 3: Right well, but they were also saying that we could
30:21
Speaker 3: like kill goats with our mind and shit like Eric Gary.
30:25
Speaker 1: Right. But another point I saw brought up that was
30:27
Speaker 1: interesting is as a predominantly English speaking nation, their leaders
30:33
Speaker 1: could go out to like the black communities in the
30:36
Speaker 1: United States and talk directly to them and be like,
30:39
Speaker 1: here is what else your government is getting up to?
30:42
Speaker 1: Because motherfucker's knew by that point, what the government is
30:45
Speaker 1: getting up to in the United States.
30:48
Speaker 3: Again, these are not good ideas. I mean, look, they're
30:51
Speaker 3: great ideas. I got nothing against it, but just from
30:54
Speaker 3: a personal safety viewpoint, right, it's like, oh, the US
31:00
Speaker 3: is not going to respect that.
31:01
Speaker 1: But so we can't just say that. We can't just
31:04
Speaker 1: be like, well, we hate this government and we want
31:06
Speaker 1: to topple them, and this is our opportunity to do it.
31:10
Speaker 3: So what's the excuse.
31:12
Speaker 1: So we come up with this excuse that what we're
31:15
Speaker 1: doing is actually a rescue operation because this is happening
31:19
Speaker 1: in the shadow of the Iran hostage crisis.
31:24
Speaker 3: Which was a huge debacle, huge.
31:26
Speaker 1: Debacle that got Reagan elected definitely with no CIA intervention
31:32
Speaker 1: at all, and there were hundreds of American medical students
31:37
Speaker 1: attending Saint George's University Medical School, which is an American
31:42
Speaker 1: institution that is in Grenada. And so that ends up
31:46
Speaker 1: being a really clever excuse because something interesting I read,
31:51
Speaker 1: if we were to just invade and do it on
31:54
Speaker 1: some warshit that requires Congress's approval, rescue operations do not
32:02
Speaker 1: so classic because we called it a rescue operation. That
32:06
Speaker 1: is how the US military was able to do this
32:09
Speaker 1: without clearing it through Congress.
32:11
Speaker 3: And we'd already used police action, so we couldn't use
32:14
Speaker 3: that one again.
32:15
Speaker 1: Right, right, And so with that operation Urgent Fury commenced
32:22
Speaker 1: off on October twenty fifth, nineteen eighty three, which is
32:26
Speaker 1: an ironic title in that it was launched as a
32:29
Speaker 1: rescue operation. We took a day and a half to
32:34
Speaker 1: get to those students. Every single one of them could
32:38
Speaker 1: have been shot in the face in well before like
32:42
Speaker 1: an hour, Like there weren't that many, Like they could
32:45
Speaker 1: have killed everyone if they wanted to. Yeah, absolutely, So
32:49
Speaker 1: our response was not urgent or furious once we actually landed.
32:54
Speaker 3: No, it was not.
32:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say, what the hell is urgent
32:58
Speaker 1: about any rescue? Baby?
33:03
Speaker 3: It's such a dumb title, Like I hate it so much.
33:07
Speaker 1: And what's really weird about the timing of this. On
33:10
Speaker 1: October twenty third, nineteen eighty three, is when the bombing
33:16
Speaker 1: of the Marine barracks in Beirut happened, where two hundred
33:21
Speaker 1: and forty one American service members were killed. And so, yeah,
33:26
Speaker 1: a bunch of the troops that were deployed to Grenada
33:29
Speaker 1: were like.
33:29
Speaker 3: We're going to the Middle East, right, going to Lebanon.
33:31
Speaker 1: We're obviously going to Lebanon to deal with that, and
33:33
Speaker 1: they were like, no Grenada.
33:35
Speaker 3: Yeah, and my grandparents are like.
33:39
Speaker 1: Exactly, thank god, oh man. And in the case of
33:46
Speaker 1: one group that was sent to Grenada, they were so
33:49
Speaker 1: unprepared they didn't have maps of Grenada at their base.
33:55
Speaker 3: This is what I'm talking about. This is this real
33:57
Speaker 3: police academy bullshit.
33:59
Speaker 1: So yeah, someone has to go out and buy tourist
34:03
Speaker 1: maps of Grenada from like a local gas station.
34:07
Speaker 3: I'm sure they bought them too.
34:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly, and then they overlaid military grids and
34:13
Speaker 1: we're like here you go. And they were also gleaning
34:17
Speaker 1: most of their intelligence about the island nation of Grenada
34:21
Speaker 1: from articles in the Economist magazine.
34:23
Speaker 3: Oh great.
34:25
Speaker 1: Yeah, but nevertheless, yeah, this is p Yeah, this is
34:30
Speaker 1: the United States we're talking about. Like Michael Jordan on
34:34
Speaker 1: a bum knee still, Michael Jordans I was about to say, yeah,
34:37
Speaker 1: we we tripped and fell and started and toppled the government,
34:43
Speaker 1: like so yeah, we end up just dropping the hammer.
34:49
Speaker 3: Because like you gotta imagine, you know, people are coming
34:52
Speaker 3: at him with fucking my ties.
34:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, and pool flows thrown fucking garden instruments at us
34:59
Speaker 1: as we and.
35:00
Speaker 3: Like this is the everlasting joke reputation that I know
35:05
Speaker 3: as someone who grew up watching eighties media of like
35:09
Speaker 3: the guy who's like a veteran of the Grenada conflict,
35:13
Speaker 3: so like gets triggered by you know, pool floats and shit.
35:19
Speaker 1: So yeah, within a few days, right, we toppled that
35:22
Speaker 1: government and put our own interim government one place.
35:26
Speaker 3: Well, and we haven't even gotten to how hard we
35:30
Speaker 3: fumbled doing this, and we still fucking kicked. Like, look,
35:35
Speaker 3: I am not a proud American, but I will say
35:38
Speaker 3: we'll fucking I mean we can kick an islands.
35:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll fuck a Grenada right up. Venezuela not so much.
35:45
Speaker 3: No Venezuela.
35:46
Speaker 1: No Vietnam No, Now, Afghanistan not really, Oh, Grenada, but
35:53
Speaker 1: Grenada here we come, motherfuckers. And Panama both uh yeah.
35:58
Speaker 3: And now we're next. We're gonna like we're going to
36:00
Speaker 3: invade Turks and.
36:01
Speaker 1: Caicos, probably Trinidad and Tobago. Why why So One of
36:08
Speaker 1: the shadiest aspects of this invasion is the media coverage.
36:14
Speaker 1: I touched on it already a little bit, because by that,
36:17
Speaker 1: I mean there was no media coverage. And that's not
36:20
Speaker 1: a knock against the media. No, they wanted to cover it.
36:25
Speaker 1: It's just that the Reagan administration would not let them.
36:29
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally locked down. And this is obviously pre Internet
36:33
Speaker 3: and such, and so getting firsthand reports that aren't from
36:37
Speaker 3: the military at this point are is extremely problematic to
36:41
Speaker 3: say the least.
36:42
Speaker 1: And I have read quotes from military people involved in
36:47
Speaker 1: Granada and Panama both Yeah, and guess what they credit
36:51
Speaker 1: with how quick they were able to get in and
36:54
Speaker 1: get shit done.
36:55
Speaker 3: No, no, no media, no media.
36:58
Speaker 1: They didn't have to answer to reporters when they were
37:00
Speaker 1: brutalizing exactly the citizenry of Grenadad.
37:05
Speaker 3: I can't even imagine.
37:07
Speaker 1: This is a quote from the New York Times in
37:09
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty three. For the last two days, the Reagan
37:12
Speaker 1: administration has barred reporters from Grenada and imposed extraordinary restrictions
37:18
Speaker 1: on news coverage of the military invasion of that Caribbean island.
37:23
Speaker 1: This is a thing that ended up carrying on definitely
37:26
Speaker 1: into the First War in Iraq, which we did an episode.
37:31
Speaker 1: We used to have a podcast called The ninety Sucked,
37:34
Speaker 1: which maybe that'll be back someday, and the first episode
37:37
Speaker 1: was about the first war in Iraq, and that was
37:41
Speaker 1: one of the really unique aspects of that war compared
37:46
Speaker 1: to our other large scale wars of that nature, is
37:50
Speaker 1: the media access was restrictive as fuck. Yes, you had
37:55
Speaker 1: to pass any story you wanted to post, you had
37:58
Speaker 1: to run it by military people. And that was different
38:03
Speaker 1: from like Vietnam, where people could just report all willy
38:07
Speaker 1: nilly on whatever they wanted. They I think weren't allowed
38:10
Speaker 1: to report like specific locations and shit, but that makes
38:13
Speaker 1: perfect sense, sure, But otherwise you just kind of had
38:17
Speaker 1: a register as press and you could do whatever you wanted.
38:20
Speaker 1: In Vietnam, Yeah, we gave up on that shit.
38:22
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, because people really hated what they were seeing
38:27
Speaker 3: from Vietnam, right, you did. The nineties sucked. We could
38:31
Speaker 3: always do the two thousands suck, or the eighties or
38:34
Speaker 3: the eighties. Yeah, go backwards. Yeah, I hate the eighties.
38:38
Speaker 1: The world sucks yep. Yeah. Podcast So basically, reporters had
38:45
Speaker 1: to rely on like ham radio operators and Radio Havana
38:51
Speaker 1: for reports on what was happening, and the military's argument was, well,
38:56
Speaker 1: we can't guarantee any reporters safety. Yeah, sure, and it's like,
38:59
Speaker 1: oh no, shit, in a war zone. You can't.
39:03
Speaker 3: It's it's not a war zone, it's a rescue operations zone.
39:07
Speaker 1: True. True, forget that.
39:09
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I mean that's obviously a ridiculous lie, an absurd.
39:15
Speaker 3: It is funny to think that the American military would
39:18
Speaker 3: rather reporters get their news from Radio Avana. Like, it
39:23
Speaker 3: just feels like maybe that's a miscalculation.
39:26
Speaker 1: Well, because then and I'm not even saying this as
39:29
Speaker 1: a joke, then they can just be like, well, that's
39:31
Speaker 1: not credible.
39:31
Speaker 3: It's right, of course. Yeah, no, actually, you know what,
39:34
Speaker 3: that makes sense.
39:35
Speaker 1: Yeah, so, yeah, we just didn't want people to be
39:38
Speaker 1: able to report on what we were doing there. At
39:41
Speaker 1: one point, a small group of reporters i think from
39:43
Speaker 1: the Washington Post, yeah, did make it to Grenada. Yeah,
39:47
Speaker 1: and US special Forces immediately picked them up and yeah,
39:51
Speaker 1: took them to an aircraft care.
39:52
Speaker 3: Right through an explicit volleyball at their boat rights exactly.
39:56
Speaker 3: That's a Hunter Hunter anime reference for the nerds.
39:59
Speaker 1: This is another quote for the Washington Post. Nerds. I'm
40:02
Speaker 1: screaming about it because writing letters takes too long. I
40:06
Speaker 1: think a secret war, like secret government, is antithetical to
40:10
Speaker 1: an open society it's absolutely outrageous. That's Howard Simon's managing
40:16
Speaker 1: editor of the Washington Post at the time.
40:18
Speaker 3: And he's right, Yeah, he's right.
40:20
Speaker 1: But also, what are you gonna do?
40:22
Speaker 3: Howard Simon? So I wonder if that's the guy that
40:24
Speaker 3: Tom Hanks played in the Post. I'm trying to remember
40:27
Speaker 3: what his name was.
40:28
Speaker 1: The time frame works, Yeah, yeah, I could see that,
40:31
Speaker 1: but yeah, what are you gonna do? Like this was
40:34
Speaker 1: over before, like people were still arguing about whether they
40:37
Speaker 1: should be able to cover it exactly over by then.
40:40
Speaker 1: So at that point, yeah, go in, you have a look.
40:44
Speaker 3: Yeah.
40:44
Speaker 1: So almost immediately after the invasion started, holes start forming
40:50
Speaker 1: in our official cover story. If you can believe it.
40:52
Speaker 3: I mean, it's tough because it's such a believable excuse.
40:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, we have to save these Americans students, Yeah, who
41:01
Speaker 1: are so clearly in danger.
41:04
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're so in periled. Look at it, guys, tell
41:07
Speaker 3: them how imperiled.
41:08
Speaker 1: You are for starters. Charles Modica, the chancellor of Saint
41:13
Speaker 1: George's University School of Medicine, set in several different press
41:17
Speaker 1: and TV interviews that he felt the students were in
41:20
Speaker 1: no danger.
41:21
Speaker 3: Yeah.
41:21
Speaker 1: In fact, the curfew that was imposed by the new
41:24
Speaker 1: regime was actually lifted the monday before the invasion, and
41:29
Speaker 1: the airport was reopened so any foreigners who wanted to
41:34
Speaker 1: leave could do so. And I don't think I put
41:36
Speaker 1: it in the notes, but there's a quote from the
41:39
Speaker 1: Canadian Prime minister at the time who's like, well, if
41:42
Speaker 1: that's true, you had no reason to invade this country. Yeah,
41:47
Speaker 1: because that was your whole excuse, yep is we got
41:50
Speaker 1: to rescue these students in this Country's like, no, they
41:54
Speaker 1: can fly out if you want, it's fine.
41:56
Speaker 3: They don't want to leave.
41:57
Speaker 1: So that's the other thing. Not only did Grenada make
42:01
Speaker 1: it clear that they could leave if they wanted to. Yeah,
42:04
Speaker 1: something like fifty or sixty of them wanted to leave,
42:07
Speaker 1: and the rest were like, no, it's fine, it seems fine,
42:09
Speaker 1: We'll be fine. Also, a group called the Parents' Network,
42:13
Speaker 1: who were relatives of US students in Grenada, sent a
42:16
Speaker 1: telegram to Reagan saying their kids were safe and urging
42:21
Speaker 1: him not to take quote precipitous or provocative action at
42:25
Speaker 1: this time.
42:26
Speaker 3: Reagan wiped his ass with it because didn't matter. Yeah,
42:29
Speaker 3: and that's h this is what we're doing. Like, that's
42:32
Speaker 3: the other thing. It's not just that we didn't need
42:35
Speaker 3: to go in and save these kids. Yeah, we put
42:37
Speaker 3: them in more danger by going in and doing this. Absolutely, absolutely,
42:44
Speaker 3: you were in so much more danger once the US
42:46
Speaker 3: cover like military arrives, starts bombing each other. Fucking you know,
42:52
Speaker 3: it's just crazy.
42:53
Speaker 1: And also, if the objective is just to rescue these students,
42:57
Speaker 1: fucking parachute into where the students are sure, form a
43:02
Speaker 1: marine circle around aps and be like, hey, fucking touch
43:07
Speaker 1: these kids. Yeah, if you think that's what you want
43:09
Speaker 1: to do.
43:09
Speaker 3: I mean, there's lots of other ways they can handle it.
43:12
Speaker 3: If they actually wanted to rescue these kids. The problem
43:15
Speaker 3: was that wasn't actually why they wanted to go.
43:19
Speaker 1: This is another quote from Jean Berman, whose son Daniel
43:22
Speaker 1: was in Grenada at the time. She was speaking to
43:24
Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Inquirer. Reagan is not getting his facts straight.
43:28
Speaker 1: Yesterday was peaceful in Grenada, and only fifty to sixty
43:32
Speaker 1: students wanted to leave. Now Reagan is saying more than
43:35
Speaker 1: three hundred students want to leave. Of course today they
43:38
Speaker 1: would when their island is overrun by marines. And even then,
43:43
Speaker 1: three hundred is still just a fraction of the students
43:46
Speaker 1: who were there.
43:48
Speaker 3: Yeah, And the miscalculation that she's making is that Reagan
43:52
Speaker 3: is not getting his facts wrong, right, he just is
43:56
Speaker 3: ignoring them because they don't suit what his agenda is.
43:59
Speaker 1: Yeah. There was also a guy named doctor Peter Bourne
44:02
Speaker 1: who went on ABC Nightly News to tell the world
44:06
Speaker 1: that the medical school had been quote completely protected, the
44:10
Speaker 1: students and faculty were totally safe, and there was no
44:13
Speaker 1: justification whatsoever for the invasion.
44:16
Speaker 3: Yeah.
44:16
Speaker 1: A couple days before the invasion commenced, the Grenadian government
44:20
Speaker 1: sent a cable to the US Embassy in Barbados that said,
44:23
Speaker 1: this Grenada has not and is not threatening the use
44:27
Speaker 1: of force against any country, and we do not have
44:30
Speaker 1: any such aspirations. We reiterate that the lives, well being,
44:35
Speaker 1: and property of every American and other foreign citizen residing
44:41
Speaker 1: in Grenada are fully protected and guaranteed by our government.
44:45
Speaker 1: There is absolutely no basis whatsoever for any country launching
44:51
Speaker 1: an invasion of our beloved country and homeland. Yeah, and
44:55
Speaker 1: we were like a ah, fuck.
44:57
Speaker 3: You yeah, please bro please please brow please grow, please please,
45:02
Speaker 3: And the America's just like no, unfortunately, there's no stopping this.
45:08
Speaker 1: Yeah, They're like, we have kids, we don't.
45:11
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45:12
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46:05
Speaker 1: to the show. So no worries that public opinion turned
46:15
Speaker 1: against our excuse for being in Grenada. We just made
46:18
Speaker 1: up some new excuses.
46:19
Speaker 3: Sure.
46:20
Speaker 1: First we claimed that a coalition of Caribbean nations asked
46:26
Speaker 1: us to invade in response to the murder of Prime
46:30
Speaker 1: Minister Maurice Bishop.
46:31
Speaker 3: Our girlfriend nessas to a vide you ever met her,
46:34
Speaker 3: she lives in the Caribbean nation.
46:37
Speaker 1: And there were a couple problems with that excuse for starters.
46:40
Speaker 1: Even if we were asked it was still illegal. The
46:43
Speaker 1: way we launched this invasion was still illegal.
46:46
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like if your friend asked you to buy
46:48
Speaker 3: some heroin, Like, it doesn't mean that it's not illegal.
46:52
Speaker 1: And never mind that part where now this new excuse
46:55
Speaker 1: would have required congressional approval, so you just really circumvented that.
47:01
Speaker 1: But that's just the Reagan way. Also, it was a
47:06
Speaker 1: last minute thing got blown up a little bit when
47:09
Speaker 1: people pointed out something called Ocean Venture eighty two. That
47:13
Speaker 1: was the name of a joint military exercise between the
47:17
Speaker 1: US Marines and the Army Rangers. Coincidentally, the exact same
47:22
Speaker 1: groups who invaded Grenada. It happened in nineteen eighty one
47:26
Speaker 1: in the exercise.
47:27
Speaker 3: So they couldn't even have called it Ocean Venture eighty one.
47:31
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's the government we're talking about, ease.
47:33
Speaker 1: They probably paid some one hundred thousand dollars to come
47:36
Speaker 1: up with a name in the exercise. A mock invasion
47:40
Speaker 1: of a Caribbean island code named Amber and belonging to
47:45
Speaker 1: an island chain called the Amberdenes was launched in response
47:50
Speaker 1: to a Marxist regime kidnapping US nationals and that exercise
47:57
Speaker 1: involved saving those hostages and installing a new regime in
48:02
Speaker 1: the country, which is everything we did, or at least
48:05
Speaker 1: claimed to be doing when the actual event happened. Worth noting,
48:10
Speaker 1: Amber is a region in I believe the southern part
48:14
Speaker 1: of Grenada. Oh, and Grenada is part of an island
48:18
Speaker 1: chain called the Grenadine the Grenadines, So Amber and the
48:21
Speaker 1: Amberdenes is just a play on Grenada and the Grenadines.
48:27
Speaker 1: Maurice Bishop actually gave a speech at one point before
48:30
Speaker 1: he died and was like, Hey, they're going to invade us.
48:34
Speaker 1: That's what that's about. They are practicing to invade us.
48:38
Speaker 1: And we were like, ah, shut up, crazy man.
48:41
Speaker 3: Bernard cord is too busy, like jerking off over it
48:45
Speaker 3: the idea of killing him to listen.
48:47
Speaker 1: Another huge coincidence, and granted this is according to a
48:52
Speaker 1: communist publication from nineteen eighty three, but then Vice President
48:57
Speaker 1: and former CIA director George H. W. Bush just happened
49:02
Speaker 1: to be in Jamaica visiting that country's right wing leader
49:07
Speaker 1: Edward Siaga just eight days before the invasion, in just
49:11
Speaker 1: two days before the death of Maurice Bishop. Wow, and
49:15
Speaker 1: does that mean the CIA was involved in the death
49:18
Speaker 1: of Maurice Bishop. Yeah, probably no, No one's going to
49:24
Speaker 1: be able to prove it.
49:26
Speaker 3: So seeze.
49:28
Speaker 1: And at the same time of the invasion, one prominent voice,
49:31
Speaker 1: Yale professor Wendell Bell, who specializes in Caribbean studies, suggested
49:36
Speaker 1: there were reports that CIA agents in Grenada quote, were
49:40
Speaker 1: scheming to overthrow Bishop and egged on Bishop's detractors. No, no,
49:46
Speaker 1: we haven't seen that with several other political assassinations in
49:50
Speaker 1: the past, like Malcolm X for example, where the FBI
49:54
Speaker 1: was deep in the Nation of Islam. Yeah, they didn't
49:57
Speaker 1: shoot Malcolm X, but they put the idea in the
49:59
Speaker 1: he of whoever shot Malcolm axces's for damn sure. So
50:03
Speaker 1: Wendell Bell is an important figure here because he also
50:06
Speaker 1: wrote a pretty interesting paper about the Grenada invasion several
50:11
Speaker 1: years after the fact. We'll link to it in the
50:13
Speaker 1: show notes. Yes, it's not that long, it's about sixteen pages.
50:16
Speaker 1: It's it's not that unwieldy. And in it he takes
50:20
Speaker 1: on a couple more of the Reagan administration's excuses for
50:24
Speaker 1: launching this invasion, because that's what happened. They claimed, it
50:28
Speaker 1: was that the Reagan administration is for the children, and
50:32
Speaker 1: that we were just going in to save the kids, right, and.
50:35
Speaker 3: Then the parent five year old kids.
50:37
Speaker 1: Yeah, the adults basically, and those adults parents were like,
50:42
Speaker 1: we didn't need you to do that. That was actually
50:44
Speaker 1: you kind of put them in more danger. And then
50:46
Speaker 1: Reagan was like, well, okay, different excuse is what he
50:50
Speaker 1: was like, Yeah, and then the excuse changes. Yeah, And
50:55
Speaker 1: one of their new excuses for why they had to
50:59
Speaker 1: invade was that if we didn't, Grenada was going to
51:02
Speaker 1: turn into a Soviet Cuban military bastion right in our
51:06
Speaker 1: own backyard. And in a speech he claimed that we
51:10
Speaker 1: got there just in time because a bunch of communists
51:14
Speaker 1: had started accumulating a bunch of weapons.
51:16
Speaker 3: That's why they didn't have a map, because they were
51:18
Speaker 3: in such a hurry.
51:19
Speaker 1: Right, they had a kit there. Yeah, the Grenada beacon
51:25
Speaker 1: lit up above the Washington, DC skies. We had to
51:28
Speaker 1: get down there.
51:29
Speaker 3: I just I just find it funny that they did
51:32
Speaker 3: this whole training exercise of going through exactly how we're
51:37
Speaker 3: gonna have this invasion and then they still fuck up
51:41
Speaker 3: every goddamn step of the way all the way to victory.
51:45
Speaker 1: That sounds like us in war our most powerful weapon
51:50
Speaker 1: is talking about how strong our military is, because once
51:54
Speaker 1: you get them on the field, oh man. So yeah.
51:57
Speaker 1: While it's true that they did find weapons, Wendel Bell
52:01
Speaker 1: points out that it likely had way more to do
52:04
Speaker 1: with this government that had just taken over trying to
52:07
Speaker 1: bolster their military in general.
52:10
Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't know that I find it that surprising
52:13
Speaker 3: that you found weapons. No in a country, Yeah, you'd
52:16
Speaker 3: find them here too, you shit more.
52:20
Speaker 1: And also one of the things that Wendel Bell brings
52:24
Speaker 1: up is, yes, we found a stockpile of weapons, but
52:29
Speaker 1: at the time, before the murder of Maurice Bishop, Grenada
52:33
Speaker 1: was trying to build up like a citizen militia, Yeah,
52:36
Speaker 1: which would be like their version of like the fucking
52:41
Speaker 1: Coast Guard, sure or whatever army reserves shit like that. Yeah,
52:46
Speaker 1: And what they were afraid of after Maurice Bishop was
52:50
Speaker 1: murdered was, Oh, all those citizens that we just trained
52:53
Speaker 1: to use guns, Yeah, they're probably going to use those
52:56
Speaker 1: guns on us because they're mad now, So they disbanded
53:00
Speaker 1: that citizen militia. So it's just as possible that the
53:04
Speaker 1: stockpile of weapons we found were weapons Grenada took from
53:08
Speaker 1: their own people. So actually there were fewer guns in
53:12
Speaker 1: the hands of Grenadian cill time.
53:15
Speaker 3: I just feel like stockpile of weapons. No elaboration on
53:19
Speaker 3: what that means as far as what weapons were in
53:22
Speaker 3: the stockpile, And I'm sorry, like I feel like we
53:26
Speaker 3: need there needs to be like a tiar system like
53:30
Speaker 3: the weapons that would make it appropriate for US to
53:33
Speaker 3: then invade a nation because are we just talking about
53:36
Speaker 3: small arms here, because it sounds like.
53:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're just talking like rifles and machine.
53:42
Speaker 3: Gun conventional weapons and then like maybe some missiles.
53:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't get to invade over that. And also,
53:48
Speaker 1: don't forget after Bishop was killed Cuba like severed ties
53:53
Speaker 1: yeah with Grenada and Russia was like we don't fucking care. Yeah,
53:58
Speaker 1: so all of that was like that argument was undone
54:02
Speaker 1: before the invasion even started.
54:05
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think it's telling how vital Grenada was to
54:10
Speaker 3: the Russian Cuban system that they were totally fine with
54:15
Speaker 3: the US just pulled those things over and installing whatever
54:19
Speaker 3: they wanted right in their backyard.
54:21
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then there's the airport at Point Salinis. Yes, Well,
54:27
Speaker 1: before the invasion, the Reagan administration was showing the American
54:32
Speaker 1: public like satellite images of this new military airport.
54:37
Speaker 3: This is the US government version of for play a
54:41
Speaker 3: little bit, we gotta get you lubed up by showing
54:45
Speaker 3: you some potential images of military things.
54:50
Speaker 1: And what's funny about this. They presented it as a
54:53
Speaker 1: thing that was being constructed by the Soviets and the
54:56
Speaker 1: Cubans in Grenada, so they would have a new military
55:00
Speaker 1: airport there, and they present these images to the people
55:04
Speaker 1: as if to say, oh, look what we found on
55:07
Speaker 1: our new fangled spy equipment. Meanwhile, this was just a
55:10
Speaker 1: huge public project in Grenada. They had been there was
55:15
Speaker 1: an American dredging company, Sure from Miami working on the project.
55:20
Speaker 1: People in Grenada were using the site as like a
55:23
Speaker 1: public park while it was under construction. Those American students
55:27
Speaker 1: used it as a jogging track. So this wasn't a
55:31
Speaker 1: secret military thing. It's just our government controls the media here,
55:36
Speaker 1: so they were able to present it that way and
55:39
Speaker 1: no one questioned it. And it wasn't for military purposes.
55:43
Speaker 1: It was for tourism.
55:44
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a big old airport like it really,
55:48
Speaker 3: it's just like there's no weapons or no missiles.
55:52
Speaker 1: That's the other thing. Someone pointed out that if this
55:56
Speaker 1: was a military airport, they would have like fortified fuel
55:59
Speaker 1: tank guns, anti aircraft defenses, offence. Yeah, you know, it
56:07
Speaker 1: would look like some military shit.
56:10
Speaker 3: But really it's so silly. But it's so depressing because
56:15
Speaker 3: a bunch of people weren't because it worked. Yeah, it worked,
56:18
Speaker 3: and the American government installed this you know, dictatorship and
56:24
Speaker 3: we probably killed a bunch of people who didn't need
56:26
Speaker 3: to die. And it's just awful. Yeah, it's silly.
56:30
Speaker 1: Yeah. They were openly courting, like Western European countries at
56:34
Speaker 1: the time to make Grenada a tourist destination, and they
56:38
Speaker 1: had a pretty robust tourist industry already. Yeah, they just
56:42
Speaker 1: didn't have the right airport to really seize on it. Right,
56:46
Speaker 1: So that's all this was, and you know, that's all
56:49
Speaker 1: it was. Because there was a Canadian firm that was
56:52
Speaker 1: building a sixteen million dollar hotel in the area, which
56:55
Speaker 1: you don't do near.
56:56
Speaker 3: A military generally not base. They frowned on that.
57:00
Speaker 1: There's the British firm that pointed out that it didn't
57:03
Speaker 1: have any of the things a military airport would have.
57:09
Speaker 3: Yeah, not listening to you.
57:11
Speaker 1: Also funded by Cuba is a little misleading because what
57:16
Speaker 1: happened is Grenada planned this airport, and first they reached
57:20
Speaker 1: out to us, and we were like, no, we're not
57:24
Speaker 1: giving you. Do you have oil?
57:25
Speaker 3: Have you learned about what we're planning to do to you?
57:27
Speaker 1: No, of course we're not going to give you money.
57:30
Speaker 1: So then they reached out to other countries and fifteen
57:34
Speaker 1: other countries donated money to help with this project. And yes,
57:39
Speaker 1: Cuba was one of them, but so is Canada, so
57:42
Speaker 1: is Mexico. So the whole fund basically like yeah, so
57:45
Speaker 1: this wasn't like a communist funded thing, right, And once
57:50
Speaker 1: we rolled into town and put an interim government in place,
57:54
Speaker 1: that government's first major initiative was to finish the airport.
57:58
Speaker 1: In their whole entire argument meant was that it was
58:01
Speaker 1: essential to boosting tourism in the country and people at home.
58:05
Speaker 1: Can you guess who paid for it?
58:06
Speaker 3: I'm good to guess that it was Bermuda.
58:10
Speaker 1: Close the Ronald Reagan administ.
58:13
Speaker 3: Showing by extension the United States taxpayers, okay.
58:17
Speaker 1: In April nineteen eighty four, the Reagan administration announced forty
58:22
Speaker 1: million dollars in aid to Grenada, with nineteen million of
58:26
Speaker 1: that aid earmarked for completing the airport at Point Saline.
58:32
Speaker 3: We are such a fucking bottom shelf cut rate country.
58:37
Speaker 3: We can't fucking give our own people fucking healthcare. But
58:41
Speaker 3: we can go build some other places. Goddamn tourist trap airport.
58:47
Speaker 3: Come on, you're damn right, we can new as a
58:51
Speaker 3: bumb ass country.
58:53
Speaker 1: So as smooth as our invasion of Grenada seemed to go,
58:57
Speaker 1: and as impressed by it as you are.
58:59
Speaker 3: Yeah, is like from the outside, you're like, oh, it
59:01
Speaker 3: was so fast. I'm sure everything went smoothly.
59:06
Speaker 1: It was actually a bit of a debacle. We already
59:09
Speaker 1: mentioned that at least one squadron was packing gas station
59:13
Speaker 1: maps and copies of The Economist, which will never get
59:16
Speaker 1: old to guide their way. Also along with that, one
59:19
Speaker 1: of the first actions we took was to land Navy seals.
59:23
Speaker 1: We're supposed to go ashore.
59:25
Speaker 3: These are our elite amphibious troops.
59:30
Speaker 1: And four of them drown immediately being the resort country right.
59:35
Speaker 1: In another incident, one American unit called for an airstrike
59:39
Speaker 1: on another American unit.
59:42
Speaker 3: Again, this is just fucking police academy shit.
59:46
Speaker 1: Two American helicopters collided in the air cool killing several
59:50
Speaker 1: Army rangers. Well you know, a US Cobra helicopter mistook
59:55
Speaker 1: a mental hospital for a military base and desroyed it.
1:00:00
Speaker 3: Classic mistook it.
1:00:02
Speaker 1: Killing anywhere from eighteen to thirty inmates inside.
1:00:06
Speaker 3: I'm sure it was because it was like near the
1:00:07
Speaker 3: airport or something, right exactly. Oh wait, we're gonna need
1:00:10
Speaker 3: a parking lot here, get rid of these mentally ill people.
1:00:14
Speaker 1: This all led directly to new legislation that brought about
1:00:18
Speaker 1: huge and historic changes within the Department of Defense. Here's
1:00:22
Speaker 1: a quote. The sense that the Defense Department had structural
1:00:25
Speaker 1: problems was reinforced by Operation Urgent Fury, when the United
1:00:30
Speaker 1: States invaded the tiny Caribbean nation of Grenada. The Marine
1:00:34
Speaker 1: Corps and the Army effectively divided the island and conducted
1:00:38
Speaker 1: parallel operations in isolation. Commanders couldn't communicate because radios were
1:00:43
Speaker 1: not interoperable. Story circulated about military officers using commercial telephones
1:00:50
Speaker 1: to contact each other and report back. This reminds me
1:00:53
Speaker 1: of nine to eleven. Yeah, absolutely, because that is absolutely
1:00:58
Speaker 1: what you heard. After nine to eleven, we maybe could
1:01:01
Speaker 1: have stopped this if the CIA and the FBI just
1:01:05
Speaker 1: you know, talked.
1:01:06
Speaker 3: It's what led to the Department of Home insecurity. Yay,
1:01:11
Speaker 3: of course, all things. It's just wild. The fact that
1:01:14
Speaker 3: the radios weren't interoperable.
1:01:16
Speaker 1: That's nuts. The idea for people who don't understand, that
1:01:21
Speaker 1: means that they're both using radios but and yet they
1:01:25
Speaker 1: could not speak to each other with them, which is insane. Yeah,
1:01:30
Speaker 1: that is wild. And this led to something called the
1:01:33
Speaker 1: Goldwater Nickels Act, which streamlined the chain of command within
1:01:37
Speaker 1: the DoD, allowed for better sharing of information and plans
1:01:40
Speaker 1: between the various branches of the military, and I don't know,
1:01:44
Speaker 1: probably allowed the government to spy on our television viuelings
1:01:48
Speaker 1: as habits or some shit. Also, who knows. And we
1:01:52
Speaker 1: would later take the things we learned from the invasion
1:01:54
Speaker 1: of Grenada and the changes implemented by the Goldwater Nickels
1:01:58
Speaker 1: Act and put all in action when we invaded Panama
1:02:02
Speaker 1: on nineteen eighty nine, another act of war that had
1:02:05
Speaker 1: almost zero media attention. Right, maybe we'll talk about that next.
1:02:10
Speaker 3: This was Yeah, that was after we did our huge
1:02:12
Speaker 3: training operation where we invaded the fake country called Blanima exactly.
1:02:22
Speaker 1: So that's Operation Urgent Fury. Yeah, the US invasion of Grenada.
1:02:27
Speaker 3: Shady shit, shady stupid shit. It's just it's so every
1:02:33
Speaker 3: decision was so dumb. It's kind of breathtaking, and.
1:02:36
Speaker 1: It just so typifies the Reagan administration in the eighties,
1:02:40
Speaker 1: like this is just what we were doing.
1:02:42
Speaker 3: And the trajectory of like US military culture since then, Yeah,
1:02:48
Speaker 3: has just been straight down.
1:02:51
Speaker 1: If you want to read more about this hit, the
1:02:53
Speaker 1: show notes you were going to go down a rabbit
1:02:55
Speaker 1: hole because I read some sources.
1:02:58
Speaker 3: Yeah, for this, there's I have to imagine that there's
1:03:02
Speaker 3: just the rabbit hole on this is infinite.
1:03:04
Speaker 1: It is. It's because it's crazy.
1:03:06
Speaker 3: There's so much so.
1:03:07
Speaker 1: I think that's our episode.
1:03:10
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so too.
1:03:11
Speaker 1: I didn't just take a long bathroom break right before
1:03:14
Speaker 1: the last minute and a half of the podcast. Olivia,
1:03:17
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining me on this deep
1:03:19
Speaker 1: dive into Grannada.
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Speaker 1: We'll do more stuff like this in the future. I'm
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Speaker 1: back in a researching state of mind, so that's fun.
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Speaker 1: And yeah, I think we will cover Panama soon.
1:03:34
Speaker 3: I think that's a good idea.
1:03:35
Speaker 1: I was gonna do that for an episode of the
1:03:37
Speaker 1: ninety sucked and it just never panned out.
1:03:40
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1:03:50
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Speaker 1: which I might do that this weekend. So check all
1:04:47
Speaker 1: that out, Olivia. What do you have to plug that
1:04:51
Speaker 1: that that show?
1:04:52
Speaker 3: Other than that, I mean, you know, I guess Twitter,
1:04:56
Speaker 3: Heidar who cares, Yeah, that's it.
1:04:58
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess you can follow me at Adam Brown
1:05:00
Speaker 1: on Instagram. I don't really use Twitter anymore. I gave up.
1:05:03
Speaker 1: It's bad, it's bad, and uh I think that's it.
1:05:06
Speaker 1: Let's get the funk out of here, Olivia say goodbye bye,
1:05:09
Speaker 1: goodbye everybody.
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Speaker 3: We love you people.
1:05:17
Speaker 1: You probably just has to be stro