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How To Tell If You_re Being Surveilled(M4A_128K) · Drawn of History

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  Speaker 1: And this is your book, The Ultimate Guide to CIA Skills, Tactics,
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  Speaker 1: and Techniques. Is there a basic one you can give
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  Speaker 1: us out of the book, man, that's just something that
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  Speaker 1: you can notice about people?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the part that I'm proudest of in this book
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  Speaker 2: is the section on surveillance and surveillance detection. I took
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  Speaker 2: it so seriously that I actually became a surveillance instructor
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  Speaker 2: at the CIA for the last two years that I
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  Speaker 2: was at headquarters. I'll tell you, something that happened to
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  Speaker 2: me when I was in Pakistan, I was always very, very,
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  Speaker 2: very careful about my own personal security. And I noticed
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  Speaker 2: one day, I was staying at a guest house, a
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  Speaker 2: little 14-room guest house. And I noticed one day there's
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  Speaker 2: a guy in a motorcycle. He's trying really hard to
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  Speaker 2: stay in my blind spot. And the only reason I
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  Speaker 2: even noticed him was he had a red motorcycle helmet on.
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  Speaker 2: And nobody in Pakistan wore motorcycle helmets. I don't even
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  Speaker 2: know where you would buy a motorcycle helmet. So I
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  Speaker 2: was like, huh, that's funny. I speed up, he speeds up.
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  Speaker 2: I slow down, he slows down. I change lanes, he
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  Speaker 2: changes lanes. I'm like, oh, this isn't good. I get
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  Speaker 2: to the entrance to the diplomatic quarter, which was the
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  Speaker 2: part of town where all the embassies were, and he
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  Speaker 2: breaks off. Well, I work like 14, 15, 16 hours
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  Speaker 2: every single day. I get to work when it's dark.
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  Speaker 2: I leave work when it's dark. And so I pull
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  Speaker 2: out of the diplomatic quarter and the guy's on me again.
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  Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, this is definitely not good.
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  Speaker 2: I was worried about it all night. So the next
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  Speaker 2: morning I get up at five o'clock in the morning
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  Speaker 2: and I'm taking a different route to work every day.
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  Speaker 2: I'm leaving at a different time every day. My routes
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  Speaker 2: to work don't make any sense just to make sure
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  Speaker 2: I'm not being followed. And now twice I am being followed.
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  Speaker 2: There's a definition of surveillance at the CIA. It's multiple
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  Speaker 2: sightings at time and distance. So you see the person
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  Speaker 2: more than once at different times of the day and
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  Speaker 2: at different places. So we have a database. So I
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  Speaker 2: put in the database when I first arrived. I think
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  Speaker 2: I'm under surveillance. It's a motorcycle. Here's the license number.
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  Speaker 2: This is a description of the guy. He's wearing a
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  Speaker 2: red helmet. Next day, I get up at five o'clock
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  Speaker 2: in the morning. I just opened the door a crack.
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  Speaker 2: I look up and down the street. I don't see anybody.
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  Speaker 2: So they had assigned us these like poles, these retracting
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  Speaker 2: poles with a mirror on the bottom. So I look
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  Speaker 2: under my car. I don't see any explosives or tracking
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  Speaker 2: devices or anything. So you got to be careful, you know?
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  Speaker 2: So I get in the car. I go like two
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  Speaker 2: blocks and the guy's on me again. So I finally
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  Speaker 2: get to the office and I waited for the security
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  Speaker 2: officer to come in. And I said, listen, I'm under surveillance.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a hundred percent sure I'm under surveillance. I told
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  Speaker 2: him about the three sightings. He's like, Ooh, this isn't good.
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  Speaker 2: I said, I know. He said, we have to wait
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  Speaker 2: until the chief comes in. So finally the chief comes
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  Speaker 2: in around seven and I said, I'm under surveillance, a
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  Speaker 2: hundred percent certain. So, I explained to him the three
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  Speaker 2: different sightings and he's like, well, you know what you
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  Speaker 2: have to do. And I said, I, I know. He goes,
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  Speaker 2: you never popped your cherry that way. Did you?
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  Speaker 1: Let's shoot somebody.
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  Speaker 2: And I said, nope, never needed to. He's like, well,
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  Speaker 2: we're going to have, we're going to have teams out there.
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  Speaker 2: Don't worry. We're going to have guys all around you.
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  Speaker 2: You're not going to be alone. I'm like, okay, all right.
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  Speaker 2: I was very worried. So I get back to my office.
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  Speaker 2: My office, it was me. I was the only staff
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  Speaker 2: officer and six retirees who had all been in the
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  Speaker 2: senior intelligence service. Every one of the six had either
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  Speaker 2: been the chief or deputy chief of Near Eastern Operations.
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  Speaker 2: One had been the assistant deputy director of the CIA,
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  Speaker 2: but they all came back after 9-11 for patriotic reasons.
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  Speaker 2: But if you're a contractor, you can't be the chief.
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  Speaker 2: So they all worked for me, right? And word got around.
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  Speaker 2: They're like, don't worry, buddy. We're all going to be
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  Speaker 2: out there. Don't worry about a thing. I'm like, I'm
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  Speaker 2: very worried. That afternoon, I have a meeting at a
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  Speaker 2: safe house that we shared with the Pakistani intelligence service.
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  Speaker 2: We interrogated a prisoner and I get up to leave
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  Speaker 2: and I don't know what possessed me to stop. And
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  Speaker 2: I turned and I said, General Muhammad, are you following me?
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  Speaker 2: And he says, no, why? I said, because I'm under surveillance.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a hundred percent sure that I'm under surveillance and
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to kill the guy this afternoon. And he's like, no,
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  Speaker 2: it's not us. I never saw him again. So weeks later,
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  Speaker 2: we heard that a bunch of them were sitting around
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  Speaker 2: the table and one of them said, the new guy, Kiriakou,
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  Speaker 2: he's a nice guy. And everybody's like, yeah, he's a
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  Speaker 2: very nice guy. And then one of them said, you
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  Speaker 2: know what? Nobody's that nice. He's probably being nice just
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  Speaker 2: to trick us into a sense of complacency. We don't
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  Speaker 2: know what he's doing when he's not here. He's probably
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  Speaker 2: spying on us. I wasn't. But they put the worst
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  Speaker 2: surveillance officer. in the entire Pakistani intelligence service on me.
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  Speaker 2: So instead of two blocks back, he's right there in
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  Speaker 2: my blind spot. And it was only because I stopped
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  Speaker 2: before I got to the door that afternoon and asked
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  Speaker 2: General Muhammad if they were following me. That's the only
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  Speaker 2: reason that guy's not in the ground today. I was
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  Speaker 2: gonna kill him that afternoon. Oh yes, I was.
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  Speaker 1: Because I was convinced he was gonna kill me. That's crazy, bro. Dang, dude,
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  Speaker 1: I think everybody wants to shoot somebody. But they don't
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  Speaker 1: let you.
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  Speaker 2: I worked with a guy, great friend, go to the
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  Speaker 2: same church, from the same men's group. They don't let you.
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  Speaker 2: And he's a psychiatrist. Sorry, you made me laugh. He's
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  Speaker 2: a psychiatrist. And he said to me, I find it
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  Speaker 2: fascinating that you don't have PTSD. And I said, is
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  Speaker 2: that good or bad? He said, from a psychiatric point
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  Speaker 2: of view? And I said, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: He goes, not good. I said, I wasn't afraid of
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  Speaker 1: those people, Steve. I was not afraid of them. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it is interesting, man. The things that we hold, what's
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  Speaker 1: going on inside of us, you know, how it comes out,
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  Speaker 1: what gets figured out, you know.
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  Speaker 2: You just never know. You never know what's going to
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  Speaker 2: bother you. You never know what's going to stick in
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  Speaker 2: your mind and bother you and fester for years. It happens.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. The stories, man. And about just making a story,
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  Speaker 1: you know. I mean, you seem like the kind of
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  Speaker 1: guy that likes to make a story, you know. I
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  Speaker 1: like telling these stories. And people say- I am living
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  Speaker 1: a story though.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, listen, I'm an adrenaline junkie. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know what I would do if I didn't have
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  Speaker 2: these stories in my past. I'd be like, oh my God.
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  Speaker 2: My first wife, she's like, I want to move back
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  Speaker 2: to Ohio and I want you to sell car insurance
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  Speaker 2: with my cousin Dean. I said, I would rather cut
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  Speaker 2: my throat than move to Ohio and sell insurance with
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  Speaker 2: your cousin Dean.
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  Speaker 1: I'd rather join the Aryan Brotherhood in prison.
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  Speaker 2: Seriously. Seriously.
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  Speaker 1: And you did.
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  Speaker 2: And I did.
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  Speaker 1: So I think, look, insurance next time.