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Random Heathen Ramblings: S4, EP18 - What Do Practicing Heathens Do? (Part 2 With Special Guests) · Random Heathen Ramblings

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  Hello everyone and welcome to the random Heathen ramblings
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  podcast, where we discuss all sorts of things Germanic,
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  Heathen re related. My name is Jessie.
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  I am your host. Let's get into it.
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  Hello everybody. Welcome back to this week's
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  episode of the random Heathen ramblings podcast.
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  Thank you so much for coming back again to hear part, 2 of A
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  part 1 and part, 2 miniseries, I guess you could say.
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  But it's, it's kind of coming off of last week's episode.
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  So if you missed last week's episode, you can find it right
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  up here. Actually up here on your screen.
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  If you're watching this on YouTube but I will also be
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  linking it in the podcast show notes.
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  For all you folks that are just listening and you need a point
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  of reference to know What I'm talking about.
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  But last week's podcast, we kind of started on this trend of as
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  it were of reading subscriber and follower comments on topics
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  to discuss during the episode. And you know this this last
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  week's episode was about what do practicing heathens do and some
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  of the other follow-up questions that kind of, you know, came
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  along with it there. And as I mentioned in last
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  week's episode, you No, I think that a topic like this would
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  best be suited to have multiple voices heard and that's what we
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  have going on today. I've got several guests about to
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  join us. Some of whom I believe you
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  already know from my content and some of whom you may know from
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  outside of the podcast but we going to have or we're going to
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  have Cliff Cliff Burton and Patrick Walsh who has been on
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  the podcast and number of times they are both.
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  Kind of teammates when it comes to running the high loan
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  spiritual Community, Facebook group, link for that's going to
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  be down in the description and in the show notes as well in
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  case you haven't checked it out yet and you want to know what
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  I'm talking about, but they got, you know, other moderators that
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  post content there all the time, but Patrick kind of found it in
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  Cliff has been right there with them to do like live streams and
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  stuff during during the week. Weak.
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  And so, yeah, it's been, it's been fun to kind of watch their
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  platform grow, and become interactive and stuff over time.
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  And in addition to those two gentlemen, we are going to have
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  my dear friend. My long-distance brother from
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  another mother, mr. Papa Olufsen.
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  Who you all know from java, tyr Workshop, he's also co-host of
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  talking with heathens over at an inner demon media.
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  I will be linking stuff down in the description and show notes.
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  Guys to check them out too. But he is on a weekly stream on
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  YouTube and Facebook. And I don't know where else but
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  every I think it's Wednesday night, they stream and you can
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  follow him during those broadcasts over there because he
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  helps co-host that show called talking with heathens.
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  But anyway, that's what we're going to be talking.
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  We're going to be following up today with those three guys.
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  The four of us are going to be sitting here talking today about
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  what do practicing heathens doing some some of the other.
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  Other follow-up questions or topics that kind of go along
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  with that stuff. Since I, again, I feel like
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  there's more that can be discussed and talked about, with
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  more people. So, I'm very excited to have
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  these guys on the show here this week and I hope you guys are
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  excited to, you know, listen to what they have to say.
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  And maybe learn some things with what's, what's, what it's all
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  about. You know what I mean?
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  So, I don't know. I guess without further Ado.
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  Let's go ahead and welcome the guys into the show.
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  Yeah. We're gonna I'm gonna hold.
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  Yeah, go ahead and get this party started.
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  And this this party with this party, we've got several friends
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  of mine and a newcomer. So welcome to the show.
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  We got Cliff, we got Patrick and we've got Papa.
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  I'm going to let each of them, kind of introduce themselves for
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  all of the new listeners and people who maybe aren't aware of
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  who they are. But yeah.
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  So Cliff, would you mind just letting the people know who you
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  are? And I'm sure sure.
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  Hi, guys, I'm Cliff. I've been a Norse Pagan for
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  roughly 34 years. I've been a pagan.
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  Most of my life. I was raised in.
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  Like a Jehovah's Witness background actually which kind
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  of LED my grandma to teach me things vice versa, how
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  Christianity kind of works. So that also kind of let me in a
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  lot of pig and ideologies, Christianity carries and I think
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  that's kind of helped me from my path.
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  But I've been doing wives with Patrick on his page is high
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  long, spiritual mental, and spiritual page for a while.
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  Yeah, that's cool. Thanks for coming on the show,
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  man. I know it was like a last minute
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  thing for for us to get a few people rounded up and really
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  appreciate you being available. No problem, man.
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  Sometimes cool that you're going to you, buddy.
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  Hey, it's me again. It's a me.
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  Yeah, very happy to be here again.
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  And as close as mentions, he's a very crucial part of my high
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  long spiritual motion. All support group.
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  I gotta think of a better name because that rolls off the
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  tongue a little bit better but what he did Miss nose became
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  fast friends. We think we both join the Hilux
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  spiritual group around the same time, back in 2020.
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  And we start getting to know each other very well and then
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  very long story short, we ended up decide to meet up with each
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  other at his place and we've done it three times, and we'll
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  be doing Very soon shortly here. But I consider him brother and,
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  you know, very amazing person to have my life and without him,
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  you know, a lot of what I do would be quite that possible.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  Happy to be part of this stream here.
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  Awesome. Yeah, it's great to have you
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  back. You know, we've always had a
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  good time. I feel and in past episodes and
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  now we've got an added element here, you know, to enhance the
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  dynamic. So Absolutely looking forward to
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  what we get to talking about today.
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  And then next, but certainly not least is Papa Olufsen and papa,
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  I will let you introduce yourself to everybody.
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  It's an honor to be back on episode of random Heathen
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  ramblings on Papa. All of a sudden you guys may
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  know me from. If you all of us here Workshop
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  or if you all the to Mountain, Spirit, Shamanism, I practice
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  Appalachian. Animism sort of a flavor or
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  variety from the Blue Ridge. Mountains of North Carolina.
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  Beautiful. Yep.
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  And you know everybody's affiliations, you know your your
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  site's your shops, your groups, everybody.
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  Check out in the description or the show notes.
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  However, or wherever it is, where you're capturing this be
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  sure to check out, you know, cliff and Patricks the Highland
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  group. And of course, check out all of
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  the amazing things that Papa releases through villalba tier
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  Workshop. He's got, you know, drums and
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  other sorts of accoutrements. For various spiritual practices.
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  I guess, right? You know what?
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  Heathens to ya about tonight. Yeah, you know, you didn't do.
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  Yeah, what a, what an awesome Segway.
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  We have a, we had a, you know, last week's episode at the time
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  of this recording, actually, we're we're just a day we're 24
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  hours in to the release of part 1 of what do practicing heathens
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  do and you. I picked that topic or pick that
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  comment from Russell last week kind of randomly, you know, just
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  in in this, in the spirit of this podcast, keeping it random
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  and I found myself just kind of going.
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  What can I really talk about just myself about this?
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  Because it's just one person's perspective or one person's.
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  You know, what do heathens do. And I may be what he even do not
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  heathens. Yeah.
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  What is this Heathen do? What is that?
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  Yeah. Yeah exactly.
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  And I you know I'm even mentioned in that episode about
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  how you know if you get more people in a room you know we
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  have four people in a virtual room right now you get for folks
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  together talking about something and you ask them the same
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  question. Each of them are probably going
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  to provide different answers You know, and I would guarantee we
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  do a daily like probably not necessarily daily but least a
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  weekly saying that's completely different from each other.
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  What I found this neat about me and Patrick when we get together
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  Professor can I should say we may keep it.
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  This is a random podcast but get your grammar right man.
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  I'm just yeah I know right? He has different ways that he
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  does. So we're solitary practitioners
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  basically, we don't have a Frisk.
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  We don't have Kindred that we go and do things with on a regular
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  basis. So we're what we've learned
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  during our past, you know, if I may speak for both of us a
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  discount, no, absolutely are good.
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  But when we get together, we have things that mesh.
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  They just automatically mesh because of the core belief
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  system. So when we get together, we can
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  have it It's interesting because he brings things that I don't
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  know and I bring things to he don't know together and we have
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  we basically we usually do it like as a weekend thing and
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  we'll try to do it on blocks and we've had really good success,
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  this Patrick and myself, doing things like that.
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  And, you know, of course, I have a fairly big family and my wife
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  sometimes gets involved and, you know, a couple of Live around me
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  that happened to be in the be here at the time but they're not
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  necessarily Norse Pagan or really anything, but I think
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  that's kind of neat how people can get together and with the,
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  with the core ideology of what being a heathen is.
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  And then having the little things that kind of Branch off
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  that and how they just kind of blend together.
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  That's one of the most amazing things that I found out about
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  About the whole just the ideology.
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  Either me. So let's let's let's start off
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  with that then because you know, you mentioned, you know, core
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  beliefs or core ideologies, right?
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  A common ground, I guess is another way that we could put it
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  and what would you say, our core ideologies or fundamentals of
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  being a Norse Pagan or season or whatever other name you want to
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  put to it? Well, I guess boss is obviously
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  something you know that that we all kind of observe blots and
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  stumble and I kind of Roberts ass was like a really big
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  influence to me because early on when I was kind of just China,
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  just trying to. Scoop up.
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  Anything I could from any Source off the internet that I could,
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  when I was, when I decided that this is what I wanted to do.
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  And like I said, it's really been in the last, like, five
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  years, I've been for 20 years or so.
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  I've kind of known some stuff about the rooms I've seen things
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  and felt things and different ways to kind of sent me on this
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  path. The spirit is, guiding me, I
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  guess if you will, but Robert. When I found Robert sasa's
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  works. In Reading those that kind of
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  gives you a basic breakdown of how to do these things.
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  So, with that, I found that Patrick and other friends of
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  blind, do things basically the same way, like, of course,
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  Other. I don't want to say other
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  religions but other other Pagan paths have similar rituals and
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  similar ideologies about the quarterly.
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  Animism I suppose you could call is this like that's a it's the
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  broad umbrella term? Yeah, yeah, sort of.
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  So you think that, that some of the core parts of heathen re
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  have animism that in place, right?
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  There's there's a absolutely our connections spiritism probably
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  the main vein. Like the Taproot of heathen re
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  is animism itself, is almost fundamental to just about any
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  faith or belief because any faith or belief is going to
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  incorporate a belief, in a spirit, or an idea of spirit.
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  Sure, sure that's like specially what the Lesser acknowledge, at
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  least in the mainstream faces, our core focuses on, you know,
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  our planet our Earth, you know, the land that we reside in and
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  you know that I think that's a really beautiful set of boys
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  policy. You know, the creatures to, you
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  know, submits not really focus on that much and now mainstream
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  faiths. So you got, you know, Cliff you
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  mentioned you know bloat and sambal as being like very common
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  like that's that's the religious side of things.
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  At least that's how I like to look at it is the religious side
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  of it how, you know, when you choose to interact or have
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  dealings with the sacred, the gods and and whatever, you know,
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  representation of those those figures that you have, you know,
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  four I think From at least what we know of historical heathens.
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  And just as a quick side note, you were talking about Roberts
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  ass. I've had him on this podcast
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  before and I've learned a lot from him too.
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  And his his online group is else to do Saxon Heathen re.
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  And so, one thing to always remember, right?
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  Is when people are sharing that information and that knowledge
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  of where it's coming from or the angle that it's being approached
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  from it's a very academic, very scholarly, you know, what does
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  the Historic Source have to say about X Y or Z, you know.
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  And not that, that's not, everybody's cup of tea, you know
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  what I mean? Like not everybody feels like
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  that's the approach that they want to take.
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  Maybe they want to be a bit more loose with with things and
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  they're not. So historically focused on it.
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  That's okay. That's part of my struggle.
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  That's been part of my struggle because I want I wanted to do
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  things. I want to do things in a
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  historical manner, where okay, these are what our ancestors
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  have always done. These things are whatever our
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  ancestors have always done kind of approach to it, but at the
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  same time, it's really hard for me to go get nine, goats and 9,
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  cow and 9 pigs, and kill them all.
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  My backyard, it's not practical for the it's not practical terms
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  of K. I mean, did that out of
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  necessity? That was it was the way of life
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  that was how they They fed their families.
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  But now we have grocery stores and sure they had markets and
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  things back then, but almost every, every home was a working
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  home or a Farmstead of sorts there.
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  So I guess my way around, that is when we involve Feast with
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  that, you know, when we have cooked a great meal for
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  everyone, I will, I will go get either side of beef or cited for
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  whatever. And when I'm preparing it, I'll
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  drain the blood off of that and I will actually use blood in my
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  blocks. I think about 24 to enough.
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  Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt or anything they're
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  taking up these Go. Like, we coorporate into our up
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  orb, lots of celebrations that we've had together, you know, he
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  rounds up the best things that he can manage to, you know, make
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  it historically accurate as possible.
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  But within reason, you know, I've always admired that about
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  the practice that we share as far as celebrations go.
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  Anyway, back to you, I mean, I don't know Old Norse.
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  So I can't, I can't give prayer and Old Norse.
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  I'm not a I'm not a speechwriter.
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  I'm not really good at coming up with good fresh.
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  There's, you know, Patrick actually steps in with that,
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  he's really good at that. We're not like, like if you
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  passed Patrick dude, I'm he will come off with some stuff that's
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  like, damn, you just, you just made is the thing, you know.
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  But, you know it and like I said, you know, I'm still young
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  in this. I've not been doing this for a
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  long time, age-wise on 40, but I'm young as Pagan young is a
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  Norse Pagan anyway, he will so I don't, I don't know, you know, I
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  look up to guys like you and like pop Olsen and there's
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  another friend of mine Thor, who does some YouTube channels I
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  just drew a blank on his page, but I'll come on.
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  Let's just see if Papa you both knows.
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  Well that you two are very, you know, important guides and
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  teachers. I know the term teacher could be
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  very relative but, um, Inspirations above all three of,
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  you could include it, you know. And as saw as a solitary
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  practitioner, you know, it's very helpful and Parrot is
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  frankly to have people like you 28 the in this path, you know,
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  while I celebrate by myself, the majority of the time and often
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  those times Jesse, I know you can know this you know that I'll
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  send you like a tube messages or you know.
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  Yeah. Just you know explaining that
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  you know that reciprocation that thinks that connection.
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  This been established over the years of you know follow you
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  guys. You know Yeah, we've I think a
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  lot of us have. Yeah, go ahead.
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  Papa's are listening that white. It's real, it's organic.
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  It's your connection to your practice.
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  It's your connection to your ancestors or the deities.
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  If it's not your own, it's more or less, just mimicking someone
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  else's and therefore what's the point if you're not making that
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  real connection there. So practice with purpose, Is
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  very important to me. I think that's the very
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  excellent point, something that I think that I'm saying, my
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  opinion, obviously, but I think that's a huge advantage that we
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  hold in our practice and in our faith based analysis.
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  That exception. Sorry, I just drew a huge
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  Braveheart just now. Well, what I thought, no, it's
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  by, sorry, I go ahead, I'll come back at it.
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  When I so what I thought was neat about it was is is Patrick
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  sent me. He Jesse's way a long time ago
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  and I kind of blew it off. I was following a couple other
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  YouTubers at the time and quickly realized that they're
• 20:48
  full of shit, just from personal experiences that I've had with,
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  with the, with this putt, with my pain, they instantly became
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  bullshit. So I stopped falling and and I
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  got bored one day and was like, well shit, Patrick's been trying
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  to get me. Listen this guy, Jesse midgard,
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  whatever and how it is, I don't know.
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  So I checked him out and I watch the full episode and I was like,
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  this is exactly what it is, is rambling Heathen and it makes
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  sense. So I started following, I would
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  start a religiously watching Jesse.
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  After this point like every Tuesday or every every yeah
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  every Thursday I'm listening. No in my earphones every day.
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  But that's how I found out about Papa wolves and over here was
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  because I saw him on an episode of random, he then ran wings.
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  And so then I start checking out his film to your Workshop while
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  Jesse plugging it and I'm like holy shit.
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  Like okay, I think I'm starting to find my people now because
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  I've been making stuff like don't get me wrong, Papa's skill
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  set is Out of my room Specialists are kind of stuff,
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  you know, I do really well with some of the stuff that I make,
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  but I like to make stuff out of Bones.
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  I like to make stuff out of leather and I'm checking out pop
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  the stuff and I'm like, oh man, I'm looking at my shit.
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  I'm like, fuck, though, that scrap pile, I'll tear that apart
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  and make something else out of that later.
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  He's damp honest, it's neat. When you start finding your
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  people, I think it's neat when you see people who are doing
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  things and It's like, you know, I took some inspiration from
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  some of Papa's works. I try not to steal anybody's
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  artistic Visions because to me that's wrong, but I thought it
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  was neat. Some, the comparisons in the
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  ideas that we have about bone art and making instruments and
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  stuff from from nature. I thought it was really cool.
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  Yeah. You you touched on something
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  that I thought was a key thing to hone in on was finding your
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  people. And I've talked a lot with
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  others and also, just in this podcast, but how, where the
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  heart of heathen re is in the Hearth and the Heart of heathen
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  re is with your people. It's with Community, it's
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  building fellowship and building friendships which become like
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  extensions of your family, you know, people who you can rely on
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  and and how that that takes Eating with one another and as
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  far as like we talked about maybe some core fundamental
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  parts of dramatic Keith and Marie or Norse paganism.
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  I feel like that's one of the one of the real strong
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  components that anybody here would probably agree with is
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  that, you know, teaming up with people.
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  Finding your community finding your extension of your home.
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  I could definitely help. Sorry, I didn't mean it and
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  reject their, I couldn't agree. More I finally retained by
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  thought, and I'll struggle with badly there for a second there
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  but, um, is based on what Papa was saying is this is making it
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  our own, you know, something that's special and organic and
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  natural rather than something that's been practiced for.
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  Now, I'm not saying that our practice wasn't practiced
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  longer, but since it's so mainstream, so calm is so
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  repetitive, it loses its luster and I think it's beautiful that
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  we have so many the various ways of practicing something.
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  Because I remember Jesse, your first video was how to perform a
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  basic Heathen ritual and I'll tell you what, I watched a lot
• 24:53
  of videos on how to find the right, one of my, this guy sis
• 24:57
  for the likes. This guy's is clowning this guy,
• 25:00
  it just wasn't my energy but I eventually found it and I think
• 25:04
  it's really cool that, you know upon meeting you came across
• 25:09
  napkin patry, another great guy. Then ultimately, you know, Papa
• 25:13
  old CERN, you know, but that's just really cool was this.
• 25:17
  We offer so many different. You know, we contribute our own,
• 25:22
  you know by its style to our practice and learn something and
• 25:26
  maybe incorporate it or to something to, you know, look
• 25:30
  back on that, you know, maybe I'll incorporate it, maybe not,
• 25:33
  but it's something to appreciate, you know, it may be
• 25:36
  contrary to your belief is something to, you know, Ponder
• 25:39
  on and give appreciation. Where we are in the world right
• 25:47
  now. We're all.
• 25:48
  So connected, we're connected through the internet, through
• 25:51
  social media, messenger services, phone calls, and
• 25:57
  things that are above and beyond what you would have seen in the
• 26:01
  year, 500 or 250. So we've got this great, great
• 26:08
  connection and along with it. It's almost just kind of folded
• 26:12
  in that if we all have this, Connection.
• 26:15
  We should all be doing the same things and that's okay on a
• 26:20
  foundation that practice is going to be different and it
• 26:24
  should be different if we're talking about Norse paganism.
• 26:27
  Let's look at those the Nordic countries you've got Norway
• 26:30
  Denmark, Sweden, Finland and throw in Iceland after it was
• 26:35
  settled, think about the size of that, on the map geographically
• 26:40
  and then fold that over and put it on top of where we are right
• 26:44
  now. In the United States.
• 26:46
  Think about the span, my life here is not even close to the
• 26:51
  mic that somebody has living in Florida or somebody in New York,
• 26:55
  or you guys out there in the Midwest.
• 26:59
  Our lives are going to be very, very different.
• 27:01
  Our surroundings are different. We might have that Foundation,
• 27:04
  those fundamental abilities, those ideologies, the same
• 27:08
  Pantheon but our practice is going to be very, very
• 27:10
  different. And I'm sorry.
• 27:19
  People thought at the same time, she's I was actually watching a
• 27:27
  YouTube video today with my with my friend Thor honours, magic
• 27:30
  and beliefs and I know you're talking about.
• 27:34
  He did a short with someone named Taryn kempe.
• 27:42
  He has a middle name in their own.
• 27:44
  I don't quite remember what it was, but I thought it was neat
• 27:46
  because her last name is really close to mine, but that's not
• 27:48
  what. Actually, attract me to listen
• 27:50
  to the entire, you know, almost our YouTube video.
• 27:56
  But she touched on something like that.
• 27:58
  Papa, it was like her, her lineage comes from Scandinavia,
• 28:06
  but it's about where, where you kind of grow at like you might
• 28:11
  be bored. Born with the spirit in you of
• 28:14
  that type of religion. And when you pick up on that and
• 28:17
  you begin to act on it, you kind of tend to gravitate towards
• 28:22
  your surroundings. Like the Sami people, I guess
• 28:26
  she was like, Finnish and Swedish, and they kind of go
• 28:31
  hand in hand. But she made the point that the
• 28:37
  Sami people use drums primarily it was as I So, their spiritual
• 28:44
  practice and she doesn't necessarily use drums, but she's
• 28:47
  in western Florida. She has two giant alligator
• 28:50
  bones. That's how she kind of does her
• 28:53
  her medicine. Her trance state that she gets
• 28:56
  into. She uses alligator bones, that
• 28:57
  She Bangs together, huh? So that kind of goes into, you
• 29:02
  know, like your surroundings where you're at, where you,
• 29:05
  where you kind of grow up out of where you grows, even a door
• 29:07
  begging them. Yeah, your practice is going to
• 29:10
  be different. It would have been the same way
• 29:12
  for our ancestors. Like I said, if we go back to
• 29:13
  the year, 500, 250, whatever you walk into a village.
• 29:17
  If they're on the seaside they're going to venerate the
• 29:20
  god of the sea. The ocean.
• 29:22
  They're going to have a fishing lifestyle.
• 29:24
  They're going to think about things like fair weather,
• 29:28
  strong, sailcloth With Nets. But then you go into a village
• 29:33
  that's into the mountains, far away.
• 29:35
  From the Sea Side, they're going to be more toward the hunt.
• 29:41
  And outlasting, the winter and things like that.
• 29:47
  It's going your practice is going to be different.
• 29:50
  Village to Village and then even still it's going to be different
• 29:55
  how to household in that Village.
• 29:58
  Yes, yeah, that's a very important thing.
• 30:01
  I'd like to always bring back to is because, you know, I'm like I
• 30:06
  liked a lot of the stuff that Al to do Roberts asses group, you
• 30:11
  know, going back to historical sources and and learning why.
• 30:17
  It was done a certain way back then.
• 30:19
  And then Taking inspiration from that and building it into that
• 30:21
  now but always keeping it in context, right?
• 30:24
  Knowing that it was done back then.
• 30:27
  For a specific reason. And again, the why the purpose
• 30:31
  was was there? Matter of fact, I like the
• 30:34
  Scandinavian countries that became Hagen in their and their
• 30:38
  beliefs, they they they adopted that themselves from their
• 30:42
  southern neighbors, the, their dramatic Continental places.
• 30:46
  You know what I mean? Because they migrated North into
• 30:49
  Scandinavia. So they brought with them, those
• 30:52
  those ways and then the, the Northerners were kind of
• 30:56
  customizing it to do. Anyone if they were Danish or
• 30:58
  whether they were Swedish, or they were Norwegian or an
• 31:02
  Icelander or, you know, it kind of it changed over time.
• 31:06
  And that's one thing I think that people listening and
• 31:09
  watching should remember is that, you know, just because you
• 31:12
  come into this particular path of, you know, nor see than re
• 31:15
  Germanic paganism, whatever, umbrella term we want to apply
• 31:18
  to it. There are, there are so many
• 31:20
  things about this, this this way.
• 31:22
  And we can, you know, see me can't even say it that, it's a
• 31:24
  universal way. But if you if you find you know
• 31:29
  an attraction to learning more about you know the Germanic gods
• 31:34
  and goddesses that Pantheon of things your your practices and
• 31:38
  even the practices of the people who you find a family with in a
• 31:42
  way are going to evolve and change over time.
• 31:45
  You know you're not going to do the same things in five years
• 31:47
  that you're doing today, you're going to remove some things.
• 31:50
  You're going to add some things, you're going to change some
• 31:52
  things around. It's constantly growing and
• 31:55
  evolving. With us as individuals.
• 31:57
  And then individuals who come together, formulate, a sort of
• 32:01
  body in and of itself and that body grows and changes and
• 32:06
  evolves and matures and learns things along the way to, right?
• 32:11
  Absolutely. I think the the question it's
• 32:15
  that we're talking on it throws a lot of people off lie, how do
• 32:19
  you practice as a practicing Heathen or Pagan?
• 32:25
  What do you do for some reason? Some way our mind always wants
• 32:31
  to go to, what can I give as an answer.
• 32:34
  So you start thinking about things like bloat, sambal
• 32:38
  ritual, like we had mentioned early on in the discussion.
• 32:41
  That is those things. Ritual that occur as an answer,
• 32:46
  but really your practice is your day to day, believe it or not,
• 32:51
  and it's always been that way. Look back at the ancestors,
• 32:54
  their practice was through their work.
• 32:57
  It was through song, it was through storytelling, it was
• 33:00
  through sharing meals together, that was practice and it still
• 33:03
  is for us. We just don't think about it
• 33:05
  that way. We don't consider it.
• 33:06
  We want to think of those. Well, what are the big things
• 33:08
  that make us different or set us apart?
• 33:10
  What do we do different? A lot of They're doing a lot of
• 33:14
  the same things so we are very similar in practice.
• 33:18
  We just might have a different meal on the table.
• 33:22
  Yeah. Or you know, someone who wants
• 33:26
  to observe a historical Heathen. Holy tide like sigur blow or
• 33:32
  winter nights or you'll or maybe a distinct you know in the
• 33:37
  springtime or something, you know.
• 33:41
  How old are you going to observe?
• 33:42
  It is going to vary from person to person tribe to tribe
• 33:47
  kindred's of Kindred. I mean Again, similarities
• 33:51
  nuances, but specifics are going to be unique to that.
• 33:57
  The approach that that that person or those people have
• 34:00
  probably want to express it. I'm sorry, thank you but
• 34:10
  something I've noticed a lot and I'm very happy that is, you
• 34:16
  know, the day-to-day practice rather than the holy tides and
• 34:21
  the special moments is like that's something that I
• 34:23
  overlooked a lot and sharing meals and Company and, you know,
• 34:28
  song telling you what not. It's something that's, you know,
• 34:31
  very overlooked and Become such common practice like simple as
• 34:34
  sharing a meal that I don't want to say this.
• 34:37
  But I well, it kind of loses this sacredness until those, you
• 34:41
  know, sacred days do arrive, such as, you know, our blots or
• 34:46
  anything else like that, you know.
• 34:50
  There's a stanza from the whole amount that I would like to
• 34:54
  throw out there. It's not on practice, but it can
• 34:57
  be translated to practice when we're talking about these big
• 35:01
  things like Bluett and some Boleyn, there's other virtual
• 35:05
  type things are a part of practice that we forget to do
• 35:08
  things. So not great things.
• 35:10
  Alone must want to give to another praise.
• 35:13
  Often is earned for little with half a loaf and a half.
• 35:16
  Turn bowl of one me, plenty of friends.
• 35:19
  It's the All things. It's the little things that we
• 35:21
  do. It's your day to day that make
• 35:24
  up your practice, not just what you went to or what, holy Todd,
• 35:28
  you observed, or when you held feast day, it's all those little
• 35:31
  things in between as well, Yeah. Well, that was that.
• 35:40
  Because that's that's that's what really defines us as a in
• 35:44
  our practices. I am terrible with reciting
• 35:48
  verses or stanzas like verbatim or close to it but you know,
• 35:53
  there's another thing in the Hall of them all about giving.
• 35:58
  Gifts and, and it's better to not give at all than to over
• 36:01
  give or something like that, right?
• 36:05
  Papa you might can help out close out that that, that
• 36:08
  particular stanza, if you have it, but it's along that vein,
• 36:11
  you know what's better too. To not give or to get, you know,
• 36:14
  give less than two over here. Mmm.
• 36:18
  Yeah. And so it kind of follows in
• 36:21
  that same topic or that same Spirit of of do it with
• 36:25
  sincerity, do it with purpose rather than just, you know.
• 36:30
  I alluded to this last week about, you know.
• 36:32
  Oh I let me just crack open a Red Bull and pour it out for
• 36:35
  Thor. Like come on, dude, like you
• 36:37
  give me a break. You can do better than that, you
• 36:44
  know, and I say that, I use that example because that was
• 36:47
  literally what somebody who at one point in my life told me
• 36:50
  that they did as a gift of Thor and I'm like use me I remember
• 36:55
  watching a video where you said something about that, you may
• 36:59
  have been may or may not have been the very first time you
• 37:01
  brought that up. But I remember seeing that I
• 37:04
  just was like you know you just facepalm like yeah.
• 37:12
  A penny from more than 100 from a rich man.
• 37:20
  And when you're doing what you have, versus giving over the top
• 37:27
  just because you can, you lose Like Jesse mention the word
• 37:30
  sincerity, it loses its meaning, it loses its value by overvalue.
• 37:42
  It's like, blinding. Sorry.
• 37:44
  Go ahead. Patrick.
• 37:47
  Yeah, remember when we first met?
• 37:50
  How what I did that? The just a little the little
• 37:53
  thing that I did. Geez.
• 37:56
  Yeah get prepared me a meal. No, no.
• 38:01
  Before that before that before that wonderful and just walking
• 38:08
  in long before that before that she's yeah, my head refresh me.
• 38:14
  Okay. So at one point ain't I had
• 38:17
  gotten into I've been in the leather work for a while.
• 38:22
  Oh yeah. And for probably 20 years or so
• 38:25
  and I would set it down for five ten years and I pick it back up
• 38:29
  for you know, a year or two. Well I got into making moccasins
• 38:33
  at one point and about the same time I ran across Tai Lung, just
• 38:39
  out of the blue. It popped up on my YouTube so I
• 38:44
  instantly became hooked on Island.
• 38:47
  So I started searching stuff on Facebook and I ran across this
• 38:50
  group ran across this gentleman right here.
• 38:55
  Patrick and he he would pour his heart out.
• 39:00
  Almost almost I couldn't fathom. You know I was like this is a
• 39:09
  This is a hell of a human being here.
• 39:11
  I want to know this guy. Yeah, being really vulnerable
• 39:14
  and yes, exposing the most raw parts of himself.
• 39:16
  Yeah, yes. That's that's that's what I was
• 39:18
  looking for. So I reached out to him, became
• 39:22
  friends with him and I'm like, I've been, I've been making
• 39:25
  moccasins for a little while and I want to send you a pair.
• 39:28
  I don't know why. I'm just compelled to make you a
• 39:31
  pair and send them to you to help.
• 39:32
  You don't know whether to help you ground, it will help you
• 39:34
  walk you maybe a may not do anything for you.
• 39:37
  I don't know, but I just felt compelled to send him a gift.
• 39:41
  You know, a gift of friendship. Yeah.
• 39:43
  And that's kind of how I started mine and Patricks relationship
• 39:47
  and then from there it's just went, you know, Full Blossom.
• 39:51
  Yeah it's went big like, the brothers, your friendship know,
• 39:56
  even though I don't really necessarily crapped right thing
• 39:59
  like that. I always tell Cliff costly my
• 40:01
  man. I can't do this or that but I'll
• 40:03
  offer, you know, my friendship and my love must support them in
• 40:07
  my, you know, connections more or less.
• 40:10
  I mean, I hate to say it. I'm going to say, you know,
• 40:13
  having Jesse and, you know, inevitably pop up in my corner.
• 40:17
  Brought them to you. So that of itself, I consider a
• 40:20
  gift and the right people. That's gifts, but you don't
• 40:24
  think that's going to say, Patrick's A Gift Giver and
• 40:27
  doesn't know he thinks he doesn't craft anything, but a
• 40:32
  lot of us have in common in terms of those foundations or
• 40:36
  fundamentals of practice that we don't think about that we share
• 40:40
  in it. The gift exchange being one,
• 40:44
  it's pretty across the board. It's something that many
• 40:48
  different varieties of paganism participate in.
• 40:53
  It's a great tradition. It's a great bonding exercise
• 40:57
  and practice for Fellowship, few of those other things that we
• 41:03
  might all share, in terms of what do practicing evens do and
• 41:08
  social veneration, whether you like your food, ours are not
• 41:12
  whether they were good or bad or however your relationship is
• 41:15
  with your family, bottom line, as you were alive today because
• 41:20
  they Did what they did. They've in one way or another
• 41:24
  brought you into this world. So you are connected to them.
• 41:28
  Again, whether you like it or not, and then get our connection
• 41:33
  with the earth and the spirits, because just the same as our
• 41:36
  forbearers are responsible, for our life here today, the things
• 41:40
  of the earth, and the plants, and the animals are responsible
• 41:43
  for our continuance of Life sustenance on Earth, our
• 41:48
  sustenance exactly. And so we see that those things.
• 41:52
  It's a very logical approach to faith and belief.
• 41:55
  We honor and we venerate those things that give us life, that's
• 41:59
  our ancestors, in the things that we take in to continue
• 42:03
  living each day. I liked how you know, Cliff you
• 42:09
  you talk about one of the first interactions or real you know
• 42:13
  one of the things that kind of sparked or started yours and
• 42:15
  Patrick's friendship was it started with a gift.
• 42:21
  A token of love, you know, a token of friendship, some sort
• 42:25
  of gesture, or item, whether it's a good piece of goods or
• 42:29
  services, whatever. And that's, you know, Maybe new
• 42:33
  pagans come in and say to Heathen rear are intimidated by.
• 42:37
  Well, what can I give to this God?
• 42:39
  This thing, you know, this this Spirit, you know, how do I do
• 42:42
  it? What do I do?
• 42:44
  Absolutely. You know who's in who's the one
• 42:48
  that's going to answer that? You know?
• 42:49
  Because again we could each give our own well, here's what I do,
• 42:53
  here's what he does, right? Here's what they do.
• 42:55
  Goes back to it, all its You find that yourself.
• 42:58
  That's that's one of the things about that.
• 43:02
  I've come to learn within Heathen re is, is the genuine
• 43:04
  the genuineness of it. The sincerity of it is is where
• 43:09
  your individual cultic practice is going to become stronger and
• 43:14
  without that individual cultic practice, you may you may as
• 43:17
  well just stop trying to pursue Heathen or any further because
• 43:22
  everybody does things so differently.
• 43:23
  In terms of like what we're talking about, you've got to
• 43:27
  have Have your own cultic practices whatever they are.
• 43:30
  You've got to establish that first before thinking on a
• 43:33
  bigger scale or moving on to the next chapter.
• 43:37
  I feel, you know what I mean exactly iniquity.
• 43:39
  Easy to get lost, especially in towards the beginning of my
• 43:43
  journey. It's like I was mentioning to
• 43:45
  Slick. There's so many different videos
• 43:47
  and finally find that one match, but it's important to stay true
• 43:51
  to yourself. And that Quest that you're
• 43:54
  pursuing, whether it be, you know, this, We follow the
• 43:58
  Heathen or Pagan, whatever term, you're comfortable with.
• 44:01
  But also something I often preach a lot as a no clipping,
• 44:05
  Jesse. You guys heard me talk about
• 44:06
  this flop. But what I carried from the
• 44:10
  start of this practice, and I will do to my last breath, is
• 44:14
  carrying the best of intentions and within reason, you know.
• 44:18
  So as far as making an offering or gift-giving, yo, you gotta I
• 44:23
  feel obligated to do something and exchange and I Oh that's a
• 44:28
  very overlooked as far as the new practitioner goes because
• 44:34
  you want to go above Beyond McMahon.
• 44:37
  I want to find the most expensive bottle of wine I can
• 44:39
  get or man. I want to find the most badass
• 44:42
  plants and you know to plant and honor and veneration of my God
• 44:48
  to my ancestors and the place that they went through, you know
• 44:52
  it's just like a woman would most people most are like going
• 44:56
  up each other with With things like well I think there's I
• 45:00
  think there's some place for that if if somebody, you know
• 45:05
  gives me a gift. Then the value of that gift is
• 45:09
  placed upon by me, you know, if someone made me an item and it
• 45:15
  was a handmade out and it took them 20 minutes to make it
• 45:18
  because they're really good at what they do and they craft out
• 45:21
  or an amazing item for me. I don't care that it took him,
• 45:25
  20 minutes. I don't even need to know that.
• 45:27
  That thing's value. Is way more than the time it
• 45:32
  took for them to do it or the material, the cost, it's the
• 45:34
  gesture, right? And so what I see that I'm going
• 45:36
  to go, oh, that thing is valuable to me at this level
• 45:40
  right now. I need to match or exceed that
• 45:42
  in exchange for that and whatever I can do, rather, it's
• 45:45
  a continuous, you know, effort or whether it's an item itself
• 45:49
  or something. Like I I find myself wanting to
• 45:52
  Outdo, The Giver in a way, you know, to try and match that and
• 45:57
  you know, I think there's some you got to be careful with it is
• 46:01
  again, you can get to be too vain with the idea of it's the
• 46:03
  material. You know that that set outweighs
• 46:07
  the by getting measured, I give there you go.
• 46:11
  There you reciprocate. You know based on the value of
• 46:14
  what you've received. Yeah.
• 46:17
  Jesse just said you place value on that gift.
• 46:20
  I know that sounds kind of funky but Imagine, we're all gentlemen
• 46:25
  here in this conversation. If someone were to gift you a
• 46:29
  box of feminine hygiene product, but it's not going to have a
• 46:35
  whole lot of value to you. It's not really something that
• 46:39
  that you use or that you would need.
• 46:42
  Yes, my wife and daughter were in need of those things.
• 46:46
  Well that would be a different story but if they get would be
• 46:48
  its intended and it would be something of Great Value to me.
• 46:54
  When we can always do something with something but if the gift
• 46:56
  is intended for you almost feel that it's a slight or an insult
• 47:01
  like a gyp to get something. There's the other side of that
• 47:06
  or can't use as a gift. So again that value and what
• 47:10
  you're giving, so think about it, be honest about it, be
• 47:15
  genuine about it and what you're offering or when you perform
• 47:21
  sacrifice or if you practice Twice, what it is that you're
• 47:24
  working with? I wanted to mention something.
• 47:29
  And, you know, we're talking so much about similarities and
• 47:34
  things that someone could Maybe point two is saying what do
• 47:39
  heathens do. What do practicing heathens do.
• 47:41
  How do they worship? We've hit so many things on the
• 47:43
  head with comparisons and similarities.
• 47:47
  I wanted to, I wanted to maybe push the envelope a little bit
• 47:51
  and touch on something that we probably won't necessarily all
• 47:54
  agree on and just kind of see where we all set on it and okay
• 47:58
  along the topic of dogma and and where that fits into into he
• 48:06
  even Isis. Because I see a lot of folks
• 48:09
  that have this idea or this notion that it's a free-for-all.
• 48:15
  You know, he then re is, is like, we were talking about,
• 48:17
  it's more about the, the intention and then your purpose
• 48:20
  behind it. All of which are are certainly
• 48:23
  valid and necessary components to, to being what I would
• 48:28
  consider. I guess, you know, a good
• 48:29
  Heathen writer, or someone who is in touch with their
• 48:33
  spirituality, and the religiosity behind it.
• 48:36
  But where do Guys, see where you guys sit on the content or the
• 48:40
  concept of some things, just have to be done a certain way
• 48:44
  and there is no other way about it.
• 48:47
  You know where you guys sit on that?
• 48:49
  I don't whoever wants to go first but the the dogmatic
• 48:54
  element where we see so much more in maybe abrahamic,
• 48:57
  religions or other Paula monotheistic beliefs, where it's
• 49:02
  a sacred law says Thou shalt not do x y z and if you do Do you're
• 49:07
  in big trouble? Where do you see if that if that
• 49:11
  fits within the policy isn't it is because we don't have that we
• 49:15
  don't have those same religious texts like the Bible, or the
• 49:21
  Quran or whatever that lays it out for you.
• 49:24
  This is the way that it's done, how it should be done in
• 49:28
  anything else is wrong. The text that we do have Offer,
• 49:34
  several variations of those important things.
• 49:37
  And you've got historical references that you can go to.
• 49:41
  That will say this is celebrated on this date by the lunar
• 49:45
  calendar. This is celebrated on this date
• 49:47
  based on something else, neither a wrong neither right.
• 49:51
  It's what they were doing where they were in the time.
• 49:55
  So as far as Dogma goes. I don't know to have a Doctrine,
• 50:01
  a lot like you said, Jesse a lot of these.
• 50:03
  People get the idea that it's a free-for-all.
• 50:06
  It's absolutely not our ancestors and you go back to
• 50:09
  Old. Scandinavia prided themselves on
• 50:12
  order and law, and structure. And they were the first
• 50:16
  government in the world. They founded parliament in
• 50:19
  Iceland. Yeah, so it was very important
• 50:22
  at Outlaws, you had in a yard outer yard people.
• 50:26
  That would be A banished for that.
• 50:29
  Yeah, for for very specific things, like dishonoring the
• 50:33
  gods are blaspheming the gods if you want to use that term,
• 50:35
  right? If you talk shit about the gods,
• 50:38
  there are Sorry good want that, they didn't want that wrath to
• 50:43
  come back on them, they didn't want that negative energy that
• 50:46
  negative value because you're insulted, the God.
• 50:50
  So you're going to pay the consequences for that and they
• 50:52
  didn't want to catch it secondhand.
• 50:56
  So yeah, there is it's this low key thing in this chaos thing
• 51:01
  and it's everyone has ever you want.
• 51:03
  Get out of here with that. It was never the way that it
• 51:06
  was. It's never the way that it's
• 51:07
  been balance is the order of the cosmos, not chaos.
• 51:13
  Yeah, I mean it's it's there it exists.
• 51:16
  So to acknowledge it. I think that's about as far as
• 51:19
  it goes. At least four for me or what
• 51:21
  I've come to learn. Is it exists?
• 51:23
  You can't ignore it. You've got to deal with it and
• 51:26
  you got to get through it. Bothers me the most, is that
• 51:31
  People can't be happy with its existence.
• 51:34
  They have to promote it and create it to remind everyone
• 51:38
  else that it exists. Yeah.
• 51:41
  So then you get into Edge lording and I'm going to be a
• 51:43
  troll and I'm gonna do this and was it Rock a true or yeah, I've
• 51:51
  not heard that yet. What is Vibe of Loki's
• 51:56
  Offspring? I believe you're right.
• 52:00
  Right. Yeah.
• 52:01
  So your location reactive know. It's, I mean, real real
• 52:07
  recognizes real, dude. I mean that's pretty much kind
• 52:09
  of how I looked at it to. I was like, why would you even
• 52:13
  because, you know, in any culture doesn't even have to be
• 52:16
  dramatic or Norse or whatever? But in any in any culture, look
• 52:23
  at Native American or indigenous natives of of the American
• 52:28
  continent, they have their Our coyote, you know, he exists that
• 52:34
  spirit that that that Wily sort of chaotic thing exists.
• 52:38
  And at least in many tribal cultures I think it's I don't
• 52:42
  want to speak on behalf of a tribe, any or whatever, body
• 52:45
  they recognize it but you don't care about these people like
• 52:50
  Doing a drum circle or dancing for the coyote, you know,
• 52:52
  there's just like not leave that sonbitch alone.
• 52:54
  He's he serves a purpose. He does a thing or not going to
• 52:59
  your back. I can hear you, okay?
• 53:02
  See you, maybe you guys didn't lose, maybe they miss it because
• 53:07
  the coyote is just doing what's natural to it?
• 53:10
  Yeah, it wants to eat. It wants to survive humans.
• 53:14
  At that point had started cultivating raising livestock.
• 53:18
  They would keep chickens key. Beep, animals, whatever.
• 53:20
  The coyote would see that meal go get it.
• 53:23
  So the coyotes just living his life.
• 53:25
  But to the people, he was Troublesome, he was a bother.
• 53:28
  He was my mission stealing taking away from but then you
• 53:34
  get the people that want to mimic the coyote, not for just
• 53:38
  living. But because he was Troublesome,
• 53:41
  you want to be Troublesome to mimic that aspect of the coyote.
• 53:45
  So you're missing it completely by tying to do this and he this
• 53:50
  is, This is where this is where I have to come in because papa
• 53:55
  is absolutely right on this. The first animal that came to me
• 54:01
  when I decided this is what I was going to do with my path was
• 54:05
  the coyote, there was literally a coyote that walk across the
• 54:09
  street, while we were driving the neighborhood.
• 54:10
  The first day we moved in here and I decided, okay, we're not
• 54:14
  moving around anymore, I can actually set up a spiritual
• 54:18
  place in my backyard for practice.
• 54:22
  The coyote was the first animal that I saw it and it was a big
• 54:25
  son of a bitch. I'm telling you is biggest
• 54:27
  German Shepherd and walked right through our neighborhood and
• 54:31
  then the first several things that came to me were of coyote.
• 54:35
  They were there was a coyote headdress that I found that a
• 54:39
  guy was it was a they have a covered bridge festival where
• 54:42
  I'm from it's the home of the covered bridge festival and
• 54:46
  there was a fur Trader there. He had a coyote hat and it was a
• 54:49
  decent coyote hat He's cheap and I was like, I need a fur, I love
• 54:54
  this hat, I bought it. And then several coyotes Falls
• 54:59
  have came to me over time on canoe trips and stuff like that,
• 55:03
  that I've taken just random stuff along the creek, The
• 55:07
  Creeks around here. So, the coyote and I never
• 55:10
  really thought of it as like a character of chaos.
• 55:12
  I just No, the coyotes like a creature of opportunity, as I
• 55:19
  guess, you know, he to me, a coyote would jump on an
• 55:22
  opportunity if he's seen it, whether it would be eat or breed
• 55:26
  or even wander, you know. So yeah, the ideology of a
• 55:35
  coyote being a creature of chaos has the way Papa explained, it
• 55:40
  made sense but I never thought like the coyote was a tree.
• 55:43
  Sure of chaos, we're setting the most admired, most of my ritual
• 55:47
  stuff is made from coyote. they're abundant around here, so
• 55:55
  And another thing, when you dismiss those other things and
• 55:58
  you want to be on the idea of chaos and free-for-all, you
• 56:01
  forget that you're also kind of spitting in the wind toward tear
• 56:09
  for seti, these established ideas and spirits that we have
• 56:14
  for justice and law and fairness.
• 56:20
  Yeah, because again there was a it was a society built around
• 56:23
  order. And, and even even the early
• 56:27
  Germanic tribes new this, you know, we they had very certain
• 56:31
  and specific laws in place to keep order.
• 56:35
  And if you violated it, then, you know, it was it was a
• 56:39
  different time, you know? And that's one of the things of
• 56:41
  about historical hidenori that I always, you know, admonish
• 56:45
  people on is a bear in mind of what was going on at the time
• 56:48
  and house is how the world was at the time.
• 56:51
  You know, if something was bad you would either Cut it off, cut
• 56:55
  it out, extinguish it right now we've got other means like
• 57:00
  there's other ways of dealing with things where you don't just
• 57:03
  have to kick somebody out of a group or outlaw them as it were
• 57:05
  right. There's we're not living in
• 57:09
  those times anymore. So the context is important to
• 57:12
  understand and if people get too wrapped up in the the historical
• 57:17
  fascination of it and go, well, that's what I want to do now,
• 57:21
  100% all the time. Exactly.
• 57:23
  That way. Again, not telling anybody how
• 57:27
  to live, or how to do their thing, but just kind of realize
• 57:29
  it. It could be going on treading on
• 57:33
  dangerous territory there. Because again, it doesn't
• 57:35
  doesn't align with where we are as a As a species as a society.
• 57:42
  You know someone from irrelevant and so it likes purpose.
• 57:47
  There you go. And I pulled back into what
• 57:51
  you're saying is like for police or things that cannot be really
• 57:54
  negotiate or compromise my opinion.
• 57:58
  It's a few things is honoring of the gods that should go without
• 58:04
  saying, you know, different path.
• 58:06
  The odds like a good friend of mine.
• 58:08
  Fine, she's very eclectic, she practices various different
• 58:13
  faiths and what? Not me.
• 58:16
  I can't do that at the very disoriented and conflicting with
• 58:19
  the energies, but the things that I can't go back on is he
• 58:24
  loitering up the God specifically at the Norse gods?
• 58:27
  And then, of course, honoring our ancestors and then Just
• 58:36
  being an overall good person, but again, I'm not as well.
• 58:41
  First, as you guys in that regard and I'm doing my best to
• 58:44
  contribute to this conversation when I can no, you're doing
• 58:47
  great. Yeah, but those core things, you
• 58:52
  know, it sounds matching yours is carrying the best intentions.
• 58:56
  And wait, you're pursuing what? You're, you know, chasing after
• 59:00
  and what your wants and wanting to embody.
• 59:04
  I think those are the chords that Can't dismiss this, you
• 59:06
  know, the gods, our tribe, our family, our ancestors and above
• 59:11
  all our surroundings are mother, yours are Earth, the land of
• 59:16
  Rich relay. And that's why the other thing.
• 59:19
  This is kind of going a complete 180 from everything but it's one
• 59:23
  of things I really admired love that you guys created the sacred
• 59:25
  Trail Society is that incorporates?
• 59:28
  Some people really fundamental because I feel like with beers
• 59:32
  coming it's only going to get worse and worse and worse.
• 59:35
  Worse and worse and people like us, it's going to keep that, you
• 59:39
  know, what's the word I'm looking for?
• 59:42
  It, keep that life force going to keep that heart.
• 59:45
  Beating is to contribute. What we can inevitably, it may
• 59:50
  not work out. But anyways, I'll let you guys
• 59:52
  take the floor here. No, I totally get it that that
• 59:56
  counter weight on the scale and that's important Jesse's talked
• 1:00:00
  about tradition before and worthy tradition, and some
• 1:00:04
  tradition isn't but things. Like respecting the place that
• 1:00:11
  we live, it's important to be that counterbalance or
• 1:00:14
  counterweight to the way that we've shifted as a society.
• 1:00:17
  We become very busy people, so we don't take the time to clean
• 1:00:21
  up after ourselves. Like we used to, it's not
• 1:00:23
  important anymore. The That used to be, we don't
• 1:00:27
  think about water the same anymore because we can go to six
• 1:00:31
  seven, 10 different locations, in our home and twist the knob
• 1:00:34
  and outcomes clean drinking water.
• 1:00:36
  Whereas for 50, 60 years ago, even some places here in
• 1:00:40
  Appalachia and now you have to walk to get water and then you
• 1:00:44
  have to filter it yourself. So we don't appreciate water the
• 1:00:48
  same and that's about as basic as it gets as water.
• 1:00:53
  You wouldn't go take a dump In your well, just because it's,
• 1:00:58
  you know, because it's an easy way.
• 1:00:59
  It's an easy seat, wouldn't go take a dump in your well, you
• 1:01:03
  know. So why would you throw, you
• 1:01:04
  know, crap out your window. This is gonna, you know, dump
• 1:01:08
  used motor oil next year welp. It, that doesn't make any sense.
• 1:01:11
  You know, why would you do that? Why would anyone do that?
• 1:01:14
  But that's essentially what we do by masks water bottles
• 1:01:20
  garbage. All this crap that you like we
• 1:01:22
  go walking like there's Woods. Hear me and there's there's it's
• 1:01:26
  not necessarily a trail, it's more private property, but when
• 1:01:29
  I hit that place back here, there's kids to go back and mess
• 1:01:31
  around all the time and you find, you know, Monster cans
• 1:01:36
  water problem. I don't even want to go into
• 1:01:39
  everything that you find back there, it may it may get us some
• 1:01:43
  banned from YouTube for a week or two but it's right but read I
• 1:01:48
  see shit back here. I'm like just why I stopped
• 1:01:53
  believing that stuff. Pick it up if you're there and
• 1:01:55
  it's not yours. You have a way to pick it up and
• 1:01:57
  safe. Way to pick it up.
• 1:01:59
  Pick it up. I mean I've found you know, hard
• 1:02:03
  drug use items down there where kids play on the damn Beach.
• 1:02:06
  You know it was early spring thankfully and it was the waters
• 1:02:11
  are still low before they rise with spring, rain and flushed
• 1:02:14
  everything down. But still, there was some stuff
• 1:02:17
  I found on there was not good, you know, someone to take their
• 1:02:20
  kids down there fishing and they let their kids go play and they
• 1:02:23
  found this stuff that, you know, they could Something really bad
• 1:02:25
  could happen to him. And, you know, it's I think that
• 1:02:30
  might be a lot of two's. Is people just they do is they
• 1:02:33
  just don't think they don't care.
• 1:02:35
  They don't think they're not like that.
• 1:02:37
  We've lost our connection. So we don't care about it
• 1:02:39
  anymore. It's not important anymore.
• 1:02:42
  I can throw my shit here because I'm trying the garden here.
• 1:02:45
  I don't care what I dumped in the water because that's my
• 1:02:48
  drinking water, so it doesn't bother me.
• 1:02:50
  It doesn't affect me directly so I don't Have to care about it.
• 1:02:55
  It doesn't have to be important to me.
• 1:02:57
  I've got all these other things that I'm already worried about.
• 1:02:59
  Anyway, we've lost that connection to care and make an
• 1:03:04
  effort to keep it up your responsibility, right,
• 1:03:10
  custodianship. Sorry, I got delayed again.
• 1:03:15
  I dare say, it might take a time for us to be forced into that
• 1:03:21
  situation to really She ate what we don't have that.
• 1:03:27
  It could be as simple as like, a blackout from, like a lightning
• 1:03:31
  storm or what have you. But I think most of us if not
• 1:03:38
  all bullshit sees the time and opportunity to appreciate those
• 1:03:42
  things that our ancestors, we know relied very heavily on at.
• 1:03:47
  That's one of the things I appreciate about.
• 1:03:48
  How about these you mentioned Jesse's?
• 1:03:50
  When you go for your walks? Like when I can visit you we
• 1:03:53
  went down to the river. We went Barefoot because the
• 1:03:56
  majority of our ancestors didn't have Footwear to accommodate us
• 1:04:00
  or bug spray, which I wish I brought that day but I still
• 1:04:05
  don't. I think it's very important that
• 1:04:08
  the humbled and often sometimes humiliated it being ill-prepared
• 1:04:13
  for such things. Like when I would visit you,
• 1:04:15
  Jesse my GPS crapped out on me and then my car Start the crap
• 1:04:22
  out of you as well. It's like I was like, man.
• 1:04:26
  Oh man, this is really skeet. This is not cool.
• 1:04:29
  But then all the while in the spirit of what I was doing and
• 1:04:32
  like, man, I can only imagine what my ancestors were going
• 1:04:36
  through there like a freak rainstorm, or whatever situation
• 1:04:41
  that you can imagine to get between your destination.
• 1:04:45
  What you're trying to do but something again, it's this.
• 1:04:49
  I really want to bring that appreciation.
• 1:04:52
  And you know, Capture that opportunity to give thanks to
• 1:04:56
  something. We take for granted for every
• 1:04:58
  day. It also goes into spiritual
• 1:05:00
  practices, like sharing a meal sharing company, and things like
• 1:05:04
  that. There's a tremendous amount to
• 1:05:08
  be said, for just the simple Act of spending that time together
• 1:05:14
  Fellowship. Yeah, because we don't have
• 1:05:18
  anymore, we're just going down. It's to go watch a sports event
• 1:05:22
  or to watch an entertainment thing or a movie.
• 1:05:27
  Or even even just going out to eat.
• 1:05:29
  I mean, like here in the United States.
• 1:05:32
  It's everything's, you know, how do you get this person who's
• 1:05:36
  sitting in this seat in and out quickly?
• 1:05:40
  So that the next 15? 20 30 people can come in and
• 1:05:44
  bring in money for that business and whatnot, which I get it,
• 1:05:46
  like that's a component and but it's the, the meal sitting down
• 1:05:52
  sharing company conversation. That's still something very rich
• 1:05:56
  in a lot of cultures In this world.
• 1:05:58
  It's not that rich here in this country.
• 1:06:00
  Well, unfortunately, yeah, it's very money-oriented I know this
• 1:06:06
  first and foremost working in the food industry.
• 1:06:09
  You know, we give all the accommodations necessary to make
• 1:06:12
  it, you know, pleasant but also at the same time like, okay?
• 1:06:16
  Hey, how's your meal doing? And then like, 10 minutes later,
• 1:06:19
  I'm back. Hey, your play trip.
• 1:06:22
  They can I grab that Trace is very subtle.
• 1:06:24
  Hints like a get out of here. I gotta take the nest customers.
• 1:06:27
  Or whatever the fuck, but surfing.
• 1:06:28
  Where am I? Exactly Gentlemen, can we take a
• 1:06:36
  small pause? Yep, absolutely.
• 1:06:40
  We'll hear a word from our sponsors, wink, wink.
• 1:06:42
  And we'll be right back here after a short break.
• 1:06:46
  I'm good. And we are back back with Papa
• 1:06:53
  Olufsen back with Cliff that back with Patrick going over.
• 1:06:59
  A lot of stuff mainly focused on the dues of heathen re what do
• 1:07:06
  practicing heathens do? I thought that I had guys that I
• 1:07:10
  thought maybe we could in this next segment of the episode is
• 1:07:15
  what do some things that heathens don't do.
• 1:07:19
  What are just like some, you know, we talk about like
• 1:07:21
  fundamental core values of heathen, re the things that we
• 1:07:24
  do, you think that there's a paradox to that, or the opposite
• 1:07:28
  to that, where there are things that we just simply, don't do,
• 1:07:31
  or we don't allow, I would say yes, but these are more of
• 1:07:36
  ideals in that regard. And this is again, speaking from
• 1:07:39
  my own personal, spin it opinion.
• 1:07:41
  I will not speak on anyone elses other perhaps, but for me, it's
• 1:07:46
  respecting other beliefs. Because we don't want to make
• 1:07:51
  that same mistake and fall that hate fuel.
• 1:07:54
  The Jenna that the mainstream religions carry because we live
• 1:07:59
  and modern times, I'm not going to kick or hate any of my
• 1:08:03
  ancestors because they're, you know, Catholic or Christian or
• 1:08:07
  whatever branch of that, you know, tree and a sense.
• 1:08:13
  I think it's not right. You know, we live and new ties.
• 1:08:16
  We need to make new adjustments and new.
• 1:08:19
  Figures and while it's great to venerate and praise our path,
• 1:08:25
  it's also important to pay how much to the roots, especially me
• 1:08:29
  living in a household with my father and his girlfriend, you
• 1:08:32
  know, they're Catholics and I love and respect him all the
• 1:08:35
  same as a fellow. He didn't buy you guys.
• 1:08:37
  You know, they're people who are my life.
• 1:08:40
  They give me a route to to live under.
• 1:08:42
  They provide me with food and shelter.
• 1:08:44
  I mean, I'm in no position. Nor would I even if I was in
• 1:08:47
  that position, I wouldn't take. It because we love each other,
• 1:08:51
  and we support each other regardless of what we practice
• 1:08:55
  and normally, it would be a great world.
• 1:08:57
  We live in to, you know, incorporate all bleats and all
• 1:09:00
  people. But in the cyst, not the world
• 1:09:04
  that we live in. But yeah, this is far as don't
• 1:09:06
  do it. I hate on other beliefs, but
• 1:09:10
  more importantly, don't hate on each other, especially
• 1:09:13
  newcomers. When you're new, it's his fate.
• 1:09:16
  As all of us, had mentioned One part another.
• 1:09:19
  It's very intimidating and scary but being that one Beacon of
• 1:09:24
  support and understanding. As I have with the group that I
• 1:09:27
  created on Facebook, is this being loving understanding.
• 1:09:32
  But also, you know, a little diligent is to you know who
• 1:09:37
  comes and who goes on that on that path, you don't correct
• 1:09:40
  them as needed and that kind of thing.
• 1:09:43
  Anything else Bill don't do is I would say, you know, you know,
• 1:09:47
  talk about Other faiths other pagans.
• 1:09:50
  And then I'd say, I want to say, don't be neglectful but in a way
• 1:09:58
  I've been that way recently just been lost my own headspace and
• 1:10:03
  that's kind of like going to my group.
• 1:10:05
  As you know that's what's intimidating about creating a
• 1:10:08
  mental health group is you know not being more Mindful and
• 1:10:12
  considerate of that plight and open the doors to that kind of
• 1:10:17
  thing. But anyways that's going off
• 1:10:18
  topic there. But yeah, as far as don't suit,
• 1:10:20
  that's what I have to say as far as don'ts I would say, don't
• 1:10:26
  follow blindly a lot of the major world religions.
• 1:10:30
  Ask you to follow blindly, you're not really allowed to ask
• 1:10:34
  questions, you're not supposed to ask questions, if something
• 1:10:36
  seems off, you get in trouble for calling it out or bringing
• 1:10:40
  it to a tension that BK. This doesn't add up.
• 1:10:44
  So don't follow blindly. I think that's something that is
• 1:10:48
  across the board in all walks of paganism, is to be inquisitive,
• 1:10:53
  be curious seek knowledge. Llege, fun.
• 1:10:56
  Your Truth. Fine answers Study and learn and
• 1:11:02
  experience for yourself. Instead of experiencing through
• 1:11:05
  what someone else is telling you.
• 1:11:09
  Absolutely, absolutely. I will touch on real quick while
• 1:11:15
  we're on here is that it's not a Christian carry over to say, I'm
• 1:11:22
  a Thor's man or on for Odin or to dedicate yourself to a deity.
• 1:11:27
  I don't get into the whole spouse got thing, but there are
• 1:11:31
  many Cults and communities throughout history that would in
• 1:11:35
  paganism dedicating themselves to a particular deity.
• 1:11:39
  You don't have to that's a personal preference, just the
• 1:11:43
  same as it is, okay? To go across the board, you
• 1:11:46
  could go into a household 1,000, something years ago and they're
• 1:11:50
  going to have some sort of dedication to are set up.
• 1:11:54
  Someone in the household is sick and you could come back the very
• 1:11:57
  next week and it's changed now, it's fourth or and they would
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  explain it. Yes, we're offering to the Lord
• 1:12:04
  asking for help in that strength, to get through the
• 1:12:07
  healing and then a A year later, you could come back to the same
• 1:12:11
  Homestead and they've got something they're set up to
• 1:12:14
  freyr, everybody's well in the house, but we're ready to try
• 1:12:18
  for another child. So we're looking for some help
• 1:12:21
  with fertility. So it would be different.
• 1:12:25
  It would change and by household not just by Village.
• 1:12:29
  Not just by country right now. Fiery.
• 1:12:32
  Sure. Absolutely.
• 1:12:34
  I make a joke sometimes like piggybacking off of Apple.
• 1:12:39
  We have an app for that like paganism as we have a God for
• 1:12:42
  that more wisdom fertility. And that's how they were
• 1:12:49
  practiced with, it was out of necessity with that intent.
• 1:12:53
  And that purpose, if it was planting season, if it was
• 1:12:57
  harvest season, if it was the hunt, Sure, you have different
• 1:13:02
  things going on, you know, your culture spacer, your hearth for
• 1:13:06
  that. I made a comment earlier it was
• 1:13:08
  on how many comment early on about like and when I say this
• 1:13:15
  that usually people look at me strange when I'm like my grandma
• 1:13:18
  was Jehovah's Witness and that's how I learned about.
• 1:13:20
  He you know paganism Heathen room and papa brought up a point
• 1:13:27
  that that made me think of it reminded me of how I ended up
• 1:13:32
  Going about it like that when I was 8 years old, I'm 40 now.
• 1:13:37
  And when I was eight years old they were they asked my grandma.
• 1:13:41
  I'm not to bring me back to the Kingdom Hall, which is what they
• 1:13:45
  called her church. Yeah, aha.
• 1:13:47
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:13:48
  They asked me, they asked me not to come.
• 1:13:51
  They asked her not to bring me back to the Kingdom Hall because
• 1:13:54
  there was things that just didn't add up.
• 1:13:55
  And at eight years old, I started asking questions and I
• 1:13:59
  got pissed the elders off. And rather than trying to coach
• 1:14:06
  me into their ways, they were just like, you know, what that
• 1:14:10
  kids too much of a freethinker. Get rid of him eschaton
• 1:14:13
  questions. We don't want him in eight years
• 1:14:16
  old. I'm like, I remember when she
• 1:14:19
  told my mom, that course, my mom, she was a, she was kind of
• 1:14:25
  sort of practicing Wicked at the time.
• 1:14:28
  She grew up in the Kingdom Hall. Also, but she Hippie and she was
• 1:14:33
  a hippie years, you know? Yeah.
• 1:14:34
  So she was kind of the same generation dude, I get it.
• 1:14:39
  Yeah. So she's kind of doing her own
• 1:14:40
  thing. It's time and she was like well
• 1:14:42
  that doesn't surprise me and he and then they're went, you know
• 1:14:44
  that the you know that was off the window.
• 1:14:47
  Of course you know I've been I've been involved off and on a
• 1:14:52
  lot of my life with other different aspects of
• 1:14:56
  Christianity and stuff, but that was really the kit that's that
• 1:14:59
  things always stuck with me. Most of my life.
• 1:15:03
  And then when I started like Full Throttle, I guess you could
• 1:15:09
  say practicing eatery. That that that just it just
• 1:15:16
  really that resonated with me when Papa was explained that you
• 1:15:20
  know, they thought well I hope you don't mind me saying this
• 1:15:24
  but I want to pick it back up. What clip of saying is something
• 1:15:27
  that really stood out most beautifully about this?
• 1:15:31
  Practice that I've been following.
• 1:15:34
  Is that open acceptance for the most part?
• 1:15:37
  Obviously, you're going to have very different people, but not,
• 1:15:41
  but after many years so dabbling and experimenting and learning
• 1:15:48
  about other faiths, From my experience, from this faith is,
• 1:15:53
  you know, been very welcoming and accept me from all walks of
• 1:15:56
  life. Even if you don't still practice
• 1:15:59
  this path, I feel like there's this that, that openness and
• 1:16:03
  that welcoming unless you've burned your bridges for messed
• 1:16:07
  up reasons. But, you know, right?
• 1:16:09
  That's kind of why I can reference back into the high low
• 1:16:13
  group and how long in general and what I love about their
• 1:16:16
  message is this, you know, we are all people, you know.
• 1:16:21
  Beesandtrees, Stone and ways. This we all stand together in
• 1:16:25
  the same place in the same plan that we dwell in.
• 1:16:29
  And you know, be part of that experience.
• 1:16:31
  You know, people looking passed my physical difference was a
• 1:16:35
  huge thing for me being, you know, Embrace as you know
• 1:16:39
  Patrick rather than a former Christian or similar with the
• 1:16:43
  first effect. I've looked at as like what you
• 1:16:46
  see now. Yeah 37 year old crazy guy for
• 1:16:50
  safe. Here's as You know, wow man.
• 1:16:54
  Yeah, well, yes, from the show. Me from the show me state will
• 1:16:57
  you certainly you certainly do show us, man, you show out you
• 1:17:01
  show up. Not show out like in a bad way
• 1:17:04
  because usually, when you say somebody showing out, it's
• 1:17:06
  almost like they're they're they're they're too much or
• 1:17:08
  they're extra, but you're showing up, you know what I
• 1:17:11
  mean? You're doing things that I
• 1:17:14
  believe can be counted towards your GIF.
• 1:17:20
  Rain your Mutation what you're known for, how you're known by
• 1:17:25
  others, as you know what I mean? And for within Heathen rewrite,
• 1:17:29
  if rain is very important for, I think a lot of us you know
• 1:17:34
  because what that is the one thing that will not die, when
• 1:17:39
  cattle die Kinsmen Die and everybody else dies.
• 1:17:41
  The one thing that we know As part of that, that famous stands
• 1:17:45
  of the Hall of them already, but the one thing I know that will
• 1:17:48
  not die is the reputation or the fair Fame of one who has who has
• 1:17:52
  earned it you know, and how do we learn that fair Fame?
• 1:17:55
  How do we learn that reputation? We do things we do.
• 1:17:59
  We are doers hail the doers. We are our Deeds.
• 1:18:03
  You know what I mean? It's not about how, you know,
• 1:18:08
  how many followers you have on a platform.
• 1:18:10
  It's not how many likes you get on a, on a, on a Just you know
• 1:18:14
  what I mean? All that superficial and it
• 1:18:16
  means in the grand scheme of things.
• 1:18:18
  Nothing? What really matters is.
• 1:18:23
  What are we doing? You know, for ourselves for
• 1:18:27
  those that are near and around us because that's, you know, we
• 1:18:30
  talked about, you know, the things that he didn't practicing
• 1:18:32
  heathens do is we care about that.
• 1:18:36
  We care about the what we give, not just for ourselves now but
• 1:18:40
  what the future can Glean from us about the quality that you're
• 1:18:46
  giving to exactly. Absolutely.
• 1:18:50
  That's like, I've seen Pages start and during a 10,000 10,000
• 1:18:56
  subscribers within like three months and usually most of us on
• 1:19:00
  there's shit. It's garbage.
• 1:19:02
  Well it's like it's feeding what the algorithm wants.
• 1:19:05
  You know what I mean? Like right.
• 1:19:06
  I talk all the time channel. For instance, how long have you
• 1:19:09
  been doing this? Oh no.
• 1:19:13
  I've been doing the this, the midgard musings Channel since
• 1:19:17
  2017. 2018. Yeah.
• 1:19:20
  Sounds very 2017 in some somewhere around there.
• 1:19:22
  You know, it's like five six years subscribers just on
• 1:19:27
  YouTube platforms of hitting. Yeah.
• 1:19:35
  Like you know, Facebook, you know there's about six and a
• 1:19:37
  half maybe or maybe not quite following, you know, six okay.
• 1:19:40
  Well, over 6 K as yeah. Sure, as you're rolling though
• 1:19:44
  you're gaining momentum because your quality of your content is
• 1:19:48
  getting better, that's why you have subscribers that are
• 1:19:50
  sticking around. Yeah, you know not much for
• 1:19:54
  quality, though, you know. It's just, that's what matters
• 1:19:56
  is quality over quantity. Yeah.
• 1:19:58
  I don't, I don't, you know, and it that, that mentality for me
• 1:20:03
  transfers into the Grassroots aspect, you know, because I
• 1:20:09
  firmly believe that that Heathen re Happens at the hearth level
• 1:20:14
  at the ground level at the Grassroots level in person with
• 1:20:17
  people face to face. And that's where he even really
• 1:20:21
  thrives. And and when we you know, I
• 1:20:26
  posted something the other day about how, you know, you don't.
• 1:20:30
  Communities tribes kindred's and stuff.
• 1:20:32
  You know, if you're looking to have something or build,
• 1:20:35
  something is don't look to recruit people, don't go looking
• 1:20:39
  for people have a vision have a purpose, live it out.
• 1:20:43
  Do those things that exemplify? What your stand for and then
• 1:20:49
  people that are of like Minds that are similar interests that
• 1:20:53
  want to see that Vision come to fruition will be attracted to
• 1:20:58
  it. It kind of goes back like I was
• 1:20:59
  thinking about this. The day after I posted like
• 1:21:01
  shit, this happened back in the late 80s, early 90s in that
• 1:21:05
  field of dreams movie. If you build it they will come.
• 1:21:08
  Exactly. You know, it same thing like if
• 1:21:13
  that's it's more there's more truth than poetry to that you
• 1:21:17
  know, build something but then requires substance.
• 1:21:23
  Say that again sustenance requires spelled stones again.
• 1:21:28
  Yeah, you can't stay full on. Are you have to eat?
• 1:21:36
  You have to eat. Well, sustenance requires
• 1:21:38
  substance Unity that value that comes in.
• 1:21:43
  Yeah man. You got to feed that that with
• 1:21:46
  with nourishing things like you say, you know, you can't just,
• 1:21:49
  you know, fill up something and Take up the real estate and say,
• 1:21:54
  yep, it's full and it's flourishing, it could just be a
• 1:21:58
  fat meaningless thing with Evernote strength.
• 1:22:03
  You ever been to a wastewater treatment plant that place is
• 1:22:06
  for also. Yeah.
• 1:22:10
  And it's full of yeah. But yeah, yeah.
• 1:22:16
  That's a great point. It's a great thing.
• 1:22:19
  As far as don'ts go, flip definitely you want to mention
• 1:22:22
  as well as Jesse, it's like we don't as far as the path goes.
• 1:22:28
  Don't be a dick. It would be any more.
• 1:22:32
  Like when you ask, like when I've seen, like, when I started
• 1:22:36
  and look up, I, I would like, I like I found a couple of books,
• 1:22:41
  right? And then and I found a couple
• 1:22:44
  groups and the books in the group's didn't Jive the things
• 1:22:47
  that what I was reading in the things that I was seeing online
• 1:22:49
  work there. Nothing was clicking and I was
• 1:22:51
  like what? It's not ask questions then you
• 1:22:54
  have some guys you know been been a heathen for 40 years and
• 1:23:00
  he's like just being condescending about shit.
• 1:23:04
  I'm like he wants you to think that he was for 40 years but
• 1:23:07
  really he's He's probably about as new as you that's.
• 1:23:10
  That's and that's the conclusion that I came to at some point was
• 1:23:13
  that, you know what this shit this guy saying and then you
• 1:23:17
  know the more the more information that I gathered in
• 1:23:20
  the more knowledge that was consistent across the board
• 1:23:23
  people the shit that they were saying was like these guys that
• 1:23:25
  say, you know, they're just being dicks.
• 1:23:27
  Most of them don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
• 1:23:31
  And I have a bad habit of sometimes over over speaking
• 1:23:36
  about things that I don't know about and when I do, I try to
• 1:23:40
  retract those at some point. You know, I'll go back and
• 1:23:43
  college eyes for, you know what? Maybe I spoke out of turn on
• 1:23:46
  that, I think quite anywhere else.
• 1:23:48
  But some of these folks are just like they're just dicks about
• 1:23:55
  and what just happened. If you've acquired all this
• 1:23:58
  knowledge and you've had all this experience and your so
• 1:24:00
  seasoned, what is so difficult about lending a helping hand to
• 1:24:05
  someone in need of it as a newcomer with a simple answer to
• 1:24:10
  a simple question if you know the answer to it, otherwise you
• 1:24:14
  get that real quick. Do your own research Church.
• 1:24:18
  Yeah. Right.
• 1:24:19
  Well, I think that there's a I think there's some should do
• 1:24:23
  your own research, but you could also the question.
• 1:24:26
  Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
• 1:24:29
  It's all about delivery, you know, and, and you know, you can
• 1:24:33
  you can encourage someone to find the answer themselves.
• 1:24:38
  By guiding them in that way instead of coming off as like
• 1:24:41
  just this kind of and we hear this term often in this room you
• 1:24:45
  know in he even re or just in other places but we hear this
• 1:24:47
  term often gatekeeping, I am and they're in this is another one
• 1:24:54
  of those topics where I feel like when it comes back to Dogma
• 1:24:56
  you know. Like yeah they're there are
• 1:24:57
  certain things about heathen re that may seem dogmatic in the
• 1:25:02
  big scheme of things, right? Like hey there's just certain
• 1:25:04
  things you just don't simply do but When when we talk about
• 1:25:10
  gatekeeping, like there are some things I think that the
• 1:25:14
  gatekeeper mentality that kicks in is, is done when done, or
• 1:25:20
  when administered in a holistic sort of way.
• 1:25:23
  Like, hey, I don't just want to, I just don't want to Feed the
• 1:25:30
  masses. Without them actually getting
• 1:25:33
  any sustenance, you know what I mean?
• 1:25:35
  Like I want to be able to teach them a skill so that they can
• 1:25:37
  feed themselves and then they can teach others to do the same
• 1:25:42
  thing and then, you know what I mean.
• 1:25:43
  So it's a more of a holistic approach instead of just saying
• 1:25:46
  well yeah here's your, you know, go do your own research and I'm
• 1:25:49
  not going to give you trying to be this like guardian of sacred
• 1:25:52
  knowledge that doesn't exist. Well, I don't want and I don't
• 1:25:55
  want to take away from people who, that's who they are.
• 1:25:58
  If you're a dick, you dick, that's fine.
• 1:26:00
  But But is it be that guy but then be who were
• 1:26:25
  all trying to be at the end of the day?
• 1:26:26
  You know somebody who if you know, if you know something then
• 1:26:31
  Guy who guides people somewhere else.
• 1:26:34
  If you're going to be a dick about it, then be a dick about
• 1:26:37
  it to be pleasant dick. All right.
• 1:26:39
  Well, I will say, however, it was a power and for clock, I can
• 1:26:46
  only get it. I can only get along with one
• 1:26:48
  form. I guess you would call it
• 1:26:50
  gatekeeping think. That's what are their sites and
• 1:26:52
  concern? I don't see any reason or any
• 1:26:56
  excuse to withhold knowledge or keep knowledge away.
• 1:27:01
  Unless For safety sake and we do that as a parent.
• 1:27:03
  I'm not going to go teacher yova how to drive a car, right?
• 1:27:10
  I mean, if she's mature enough and has the motor skills and
• 1:27:15
  responsibilities to safely operate a motor vehicle, right?
• 1:27:21
  That's just good parenting. That's just ridiculous.
• 1:27:25
  Something I want to say though, is I think it's actually
• 1:27:29
  strangely necessary to have those kind of people like The
• 1:27:32
  Gatekeepers and the potholes. Basically, the faith that we
• 1:27:38
  follow because it my hope is those with Earnest intentions
• 1:27:42
  and a good heart will come across those people make.
• 1:27:45
  All right, this is not my place. Good.
• 1:27:49
  Yeah, made the right choice. So it's like, you didn't Yang in
• 1:27:52
  a sense like we need the butt holes as much. we need the
• 1:27:56
  crucial and amazing people like you guys, you know because
• 1:28:00
  without those Potholes and amazing people.
• 1:28:05
  The world wouldn't be what it is.
• 1:28:08
  Now I'm not saying I don't dislike these Falls because I
• 1:28:11
  sought don't like them but they play at necessary role which
• 1:28:17
  I've come to appreciate. As far as, you know, people who
• 1:28:20
  understand me and my condition and people who don't or a really
• 1:28:25
  sunny and beautiful day. We're a day, is this really
• 1:28:28
  cloudy and depressing? You got have one to appreciate
• 1:28:31
  the other sure. But that's just me.
• 1:28:41
  It comes back to that balance. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:28:45
  And I think with, with, with people that, you know, feel like
• 1:28:50
  they need to safeguard, And I'll use that term, you know,
• 1:28:55
  Safeguard information or, you know, keep things withheld.
• 1:29:02
  That does go back to some, pretty old-school ways of
• 1:29:06
  thinking, you know what I mean. Even in a modern society, you
• 1:29:10
  know, like, there's even now in today like If its proprietary
• 1:29:15
  information, you know, you could look at it kind of like that.
• 1:29:18
  Like, if you're not part of this organization or if you're not
• 1:29:20
  part of this, if you're not affiliated with this group or
• 1:29:23
  this Kindred or whatever, then guess what?
• 1:29:25
  That knowledge is withheld from you, you don't need to know in
• 1:29:28
  order to safeguard the luck of that.
• 1:29:31
  You know, we tell you he's the term look, you know, but it but
• 1:29:33
  whatever to maintain the Integrity of that group of
• 1:29:37
  collective, you know. So there's a place for and I
• 1:29:39
  think when done correctly and when done holistically and that
• 1:29:42
  way, I feel it's It does serve a purpose and a good purpose, but
• 1:29:47
  if you're just literally, you know, trying to just be, you
• 1:29:50
  know, again being a jerk for the sake of being a jerk.
• 1:29:52
  Yeah, a lot of people when you're doing it with your own
• 1:29:57
  Community, it comes down to, for power, or establishing a
• 1:30:02
  hierarchy or giving yourself a position of power.
• 1:30:05
  It's an ego trip. It's a flex that has knowledge
• 1:30:09
  that someone else doesn't have And kind of like, dangle it over
• 1:30:13
  their forehead. Yeah, I mean when with with our
• 1:30:17
  tribe you know like just because I know something that someone
• 1:30:21
  else doesn't know if I find useful information or I learned
• 1:30:26
  something then I feel that it behooves me to not share it.
• 1:30:31
  You know what I mean? It would be I would be less of a
• 1:30:33
  person. I would be, I would doing, I
• 1:30:36
  would be doing an ill service. I would be doing a disservice to
• 1:30:39
  My Tribe and to my people. If I were to ignore the T
• 1:30:46
  presented. By sharing that information, you
• 1:30:52
  know what I mean? I'm trying to hold it.
• 1:30:53
  Forget what if you forget and you haven't told any of your
• 1:30:57
  Kinsmen, your tribesmen and then the situation arises where that
• 1:31:01
  knowledge is necessary or ski to to to, you know, to of decision
• 1:31:10
  amongst the group and when your Kinsman is there that you've
• 1:31:13
  told this knowledge? She was like, Hey, do you
• 1:31:15
  remember This time when we this or that, or do you remember that
• 1:31:20
  thing? You told me that time that would
• 1:31:22
  apply to now and it would change your thinking and greatly, you
• 1:31:27
  know, it could greatly alter alter the outcome of the group
• 1:31:30
  decision, you know? It's, yeah.
• 1:31:34
  You know, that's, that's like a, the consequences of your
• 1:31:37
  actions, probably relative but never really felt yes,
• 1:31:40
  consequences of withholding information like that.
• 1:31:45
  What if Tif munin. Doesn't come back.
• 1:31:50
  Hmm. You know, man, that's it.
• 1:31:53
  That's a big question. That's the that's the that's the
• 1:31:56
  that's the thing that he fears the most right.
• 1:31:59
  Is that good So much of what so much of our
• 1:32:12
  lives. So much of our existence as the
• 1:32:17
  species that we are, right? So much of our human existence
• 1:32:20
  is centered around, are the memories and, and the
• 1:32:24
  experiences that we've already gone through, we are who we are
• 1:32:28
  now because of what we've done and what has happened to us.
• 1:32:33
  It's shaped us into who we are. Right, the, the guru.
• 1:32:37
  Oops, better than the redundant. goes into school, you know, like
• 1:32:43
  the the norns, like that whole dynamic that that is so relevant
• 1:32:49
  or, or prevalent with Germanic heathens, you know, that this
• 1:32:52
  concept of past present future and how one feeds into the other
• 1:32:56
  and how we're all feeding that, that aspect of it, you know,
• 1:33:03
  What I do today is going to impact the tomorrow in
• 1:33:08
  generations to come placed on it in the lore and text in our
• 1:33:13
  stories. I think that character's name is
• 1:33:15
  o-tar his ancestral, inheritance was being withheld from him, he
• 1:33:21
  was owed a great deal of wealth from his family, but he couldn't
• 1:33:25
  recall, he couldn't remember his lineage.
• 1:33:28
  So he was being denied that and he makes offerings and offerings
• 1:33:32
  at all. Has and dedications to Freya,
• 1:33:35
  who sees this takes notice besides to help him out and the
• 1:33:40
  story goes on, but he ends up getting a magical potion that
• 1:33:43
  helps him. Remember all those in his line
• 1:33:46
  by name and he's able to recite them and therefore get the
• 1:33:50
  inheritance that he's owed. So that memory Yeah.
• 1:33:56
  Hello Freya girlfriend and we're recording this on Friday.
• 1:34:03
  They usually raised a freaks day.
• 1:34:05
  I mean, linguistically, I mean, logically there's there's
• 1:34:09
  connections comparisons to dedications afraid my mug here.
• 1:34:15
  Oh yeah, I got my horn right here.
• 1:34:21
  Dedications to the gods. I, you know, we were talking
• 1:34:24
  about Regional practices and cultic practices and have you
• 1:34:29
  guys ever heard of, I think I've talked to you about this once
• 1:34:33
  once before at least in a conversation, one time.
• 1:34:36
  Pop up, but I are either one of you guys, Patrick or Cliff?
• 1:34:40
  Are you familiar with the, the valsa filter?
• 1:34:44
  Saga. What filter valsa?
• 1:34:47
  Thoughts are Saga. It's a story.
• 1:34:51
  It's called The valsa. Thought ER yeah.
• 1:34:53
  I could use a refresher. So I don't remember all the
• 1:34:58
  specifics. But essentially the, it's a the
• 1:35:03
  centerpiece of the, of the Saga revolves around a Dried out
• 1:35:12
  horse. Valise that is kept as an
• 1:35:14
  heirloom in the family and they bring it out and they like pass
• 1:35:16
  it around at dinner and they like what the pray over it and
• 1:35:19
  they like their their this heart.
• 1:35:21
  This home, this, this family's sacred item was a horse dick
• 1:35:26
  like a dried-up petrified. Yes.
• 1:35:29
  Horsepowers and so, you know, you talk about like individual
• 1:35:35
  cultic practices and what might be suitable for some is not
• 1:35:39
  Edible for others. I'm like well here you go.
• 1:35:41
  You got a family in somewhere in Scandinavia that carried around
• 1:35:44
  a dried-up horse Wang and and it was a sacred item for them.
• 1:35:50
  You know. Now how important friend who's
• 1:35:56
  was, you know, guy has a lot of Native American blood in them
• 1:36:00
  from the American Midwest and they Took and slaughtered for
• 1:36:08
  their own Buffalo. The he paid that, you know, he
• 1:36:11
  paid to be able to do this. There was a guy, there was a
• 1:36:14
  family of people in our area that actually raised Buffalo and
• 1:36:19
  he paid to me able to He gave that he basically paid him for
• 1:36:24
  the meat for a buffalo on their property, and he went out there
• 1:36:27
  and hunted. This Buffalo with a bow and
• 1:36:29
  arrow and took it with a bow and arrow.
• 1:36:31
  This is as a spiritual journey of, is it?
• 1:36:34
  And to my knowledge, this guy's at northagen, he's just I guess
• 1:36:39
  you could classify his Heathen, he doesn't really It was just a
• 1:36:44
  spiritual path of his. He was on he didn't really
• 1:36:49
  adhere to any any particular name I guess as far as Faith
• 1:36:56
  goes but he just wanted to do that one day and was like I have
• 1:37:00
  some money I'll go pay for this Buffalo and see if these people
• 1:37:02
  let me hunt one off the property and he went, didn't he come in
• 1:37:05
  through the back side of their property and come in and hunted,
• 1:37:09
  a buffalo. And he took one with a bow and
• 1:37:11
  arrow and he used the scrotum. As a medicine bag, he made a
• 1:37:15
  fucking medal out of the out of the bull nuts from it.
• 1:37:21
  And he said this would be an heirloom through all the men in
• 1:37:24
  my family. Hmm, see there, that is purpose,
• 1:37:28
  right there that is. That isn't purpose?
• 1:37:30
  And this D. And these are the kind of people
• 1:37:32
  that I was raised around. Like my dad had esoteric
• 1:37:36
  friends. My dad was a biker and he had
• 1:37:39
  strange friends will put up the like that, you know?
• 1:37:44
  I grew up around a lot of interesting people.
• 1:37:49
  Well it's kind of helped me. It helps me in my path.
• 1:37:52
  It lets me know that I'm not weird, it's everything else
• 1:37:54
  around me. It's fucking weird, right?
• 1:37:57
  Normal people or fucking the weird ones, right?
• 1:38:00
  Because there's people go out and do shit like this on a whim
• 1:38:03
  white and and they're perfectly normal people, you know, as far
• 1:38:07
  as in my eyes and you know what? Yeah, it's a relative terms, you
• 1:38:10
  know, what is and what is normal for?
• 1:38:11
  The spider is chaos. The fly.
• 1:38:14
  It's you know this guy felt detached from, he just felt
• 1:38:20
  detached so to get reattached to his inner purpose.
• 1:38:25
  His inner being in his inner spiritualism.
• 1:38:28
  He went and hunted a buffalo. He took the fucker with another
• 1:38:31
  with a bow and arrow and he used every bit of used every bit of
• 1:38:36
  he just finished his cabin in the woods and he had a family
• 1:38:39
  wife and a few kids and he the buffalo The buffalo skull still
• 1:38:45
  hangs on the front of the cabin, and he still wears the scrotum
• 1:38:50
  round, his neck. Like the unfortunate part about
• 1:38:55
  that story is, is he declared to he'd, give it to his son, and he
• 1:39:00
  had nothing the daughters. So, but he does have grandsons.
• 1:39:05
  So yeah, that'll be passed on. I'm sure the story that
• 1:39:09
  fantastic story will be passed on to his grandson.
• 1:39:13
  And whether he, whether he accepts it, and, and accepts his
• 1:39:18
  tribal duty of holding his grandfather's, you know, story,
• 1:39:23
  you know, that's up to him. But no, that's yeah, to me.
• 1:39:27
  And my book, that's even, yeah. Well, that's that, that was
• 1:39:32
  definitely a part of their Traditions, you know what I
• 1:39:34
  mean. So, the label that name that we
• 1:39:36
  put two. Our beliefs or whatever.
• 1:39:39
  Yes, he even re usually gets the that's where the the mark
• 1:39:43
  usually hits his, he even re but those those types of things
• 1:39:49
  exist, in Other cultures around the world outside of just
• 1:39:54
  Germanic cultures. It's a it's a common theme.
• 1:39:58
  You know, with the way that our tribe has has developed and
• 1:40:02
  grown, you know so much of The way that relationships have have
• 1:40:07
  built and developed over the years.
• 1:40:12
  You know Papa Olufsen here has crafted items for clear the folk
• 1:40:18
  for our tribe, you know. So our drum which is right over
• 1:40:22
  here behind me and you can't really see it but there's a
• 1:40:27
  hammer rattle, you know, these are these are not mine, they
• 1:40:31
  don't belong to me, they belong to the tribe, they are tribal
• 1:40:34
  relics they are, they are things that will become Items that get
• 1:40:40
  passed down for the tribe as it as its Inception grows, you know
• 1:40:45
  what I mean? So, so the next Inception of the
• 1:40:47
  really folk and I'm not here when you know, all for Patrick
• 1:40:50
  or others that are part of the tribe aren't here, physically,
• 1:40:55
  you know, they're really folk will continue and those items
• 1:40:58
  will become passed down to the successors and into the to the
• 1:41:03
  next one's. The Next Generation.
• 1:41:05
  Fantastic, let's find out. That's those are the dues you
• 1:41:11
  know the dues. Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:41:17
  But this was a great podcast guys.
• 1:41:19
  I know we could probably reach and and talk on hours and hours
• 1:41:25
  and hours. But we've already we've already
• 1:41:27
  gone the distance here. I wasn't sure if Papa fell
• 1:41:31
  asleep over there or not, it doesn't look like he's asleep.
• 1:41:33
  He just gets into the like if you're just like looking on
• 1:41:36
  screen, you know, for those that don't watch the podcast Or see
• 1:41:39
  what we see in terms of like the overall participant view pop has
• 1:41:44
  been known to just sort of become so still in the frame
• 1:41:49
  that people think that his camera glitched and he's like
• 1:41:52
  Frozen in time it's like you just kind of I've seen him do
• 1:41:57
  this on the inner demon with Sydney.
• 1:41:59
  I've seen him do it with you like you just go someplace and
• 1:42:02
  he just has the Stillness about it I'm like man that's badass is
• 1:42:07
  he asleep? He's just thinking about his
• 1:42:12
  sleep is just thinking his way through some stuff, right person
• 1:42:16
  living in the moment, right? Yes.
• 1:42:18
  Experiencing the moment and recognize the woods also and
• 1:42:23
  just earlier today, while practicing this just sitting
• 1:42:26
  still listening, taking it all in.
• 1:42:30
  I got the opportunity to encounter a little fox that ran
• 1:42:35
  right across a log behind me and That's special.
• 1:42:39
  And there, I was sitting there, taking it in.
• 1:42:44
  I started getting half bat by. It was probably a two or three
• 1:42:47
  year old do. It's not the, the lady of the
• 1:42:51
  group are probably 15 to 20 deer in this herd.
• 1:42:56
  And I went out to where they were at, I like to follow them
• 1:42:58
  around a little bit. See what they're eating.
• 1:43:00
  See what their munching on, what mushrooms are coming up right
• 1:43:03
  now, what the forest is doing. And so I set there and she
• 1:43:08
  decided to be very bold. And again, she's not the leader.
• 1:43:12
  She was a younger dough, but decided to Huff at me a little
• 1:43:16
  bit stomp at me a little bit and start to approach me.
• 1:43:20
  So, while I'm sitting there at all in, I decided to try to get
• 1:43:23
  this on video cord and as I'm recording her, I hear something
• 1:43:27
  off to my side and I turn. And here comes this.
• 1:43:30
  Fox across a log. And I just ran right beside me
• 1:43:35
  down the log. Didn't see me, didn't know that
• 1:43:37
  I was there didn't see me recording or anything.
• 1:43:41
  And then got down and got down Windows, me smelled and turned
• 1:43:46
  around. Saw me and then kind of
• 1:43:48
  scampered off a little bit. That's fantastic.
• 1:43:52
  I love it. I saw something that I think
• 1:43:57
  most of us people here know, Cody Cody.
• 1:44:02
  Schaefer Elder debauch right? Think that's the his musical
• 1:44:07
  project. Yeah, that's right.
• 1:44:11
  He has his sacred wolf divination, Crafting Shop and he
• 1:44:17
  shares a lot of really neat things.
• 1:44:19
  And I saw something he shared today and it Papa what you were
• 1:44:21
  saying and describing what you experienced today, and just the
• 1:44:24
  whole stoic. Or Stillness.
• 1:44:28
  He was, it was something that he had shared today and it
• 1:44:30
  resonates in. It was something along the lines
• 1:44:32
  of, you know, turn off your phone, put it down disconnecting
• 1:44:36
  that way stop and be still, and listen to the unread messages
• 1:44:43
  that are being sent to you from the universe.
• 1:44:46
  So you can't eat. You can't absorb those things.
• 1:44:51
  If you're too busy scrolling or trying to Capture everything in
• 1:44:56
  the moment. Like, you know what, sometimes
• 1:44:57
  those moments are just for you forget about, trying to retain
• 1:45:01
  it forget about trying to capture and share it and get
• 1:45:04
  some sort of response from the world because as useful and as
• 1:45:09
  beneficial and as helpful as those sorts of things can be,
• 1:45:14
  sometimes you just need that for you and embrace that and and
• 1:45:20
  take that moment in and just stop.
• 1:45:23
  Be still right Embrace that. Esau that ice that that that
• 1:45:27
  that pause before the next thing and wait and see what you
• 1:45:33
  receive from the world around you.
• 1:45:37
  Sometimes you're sometimes your fish story should be fish
• 1:45:40
  stories instead of, you know, Facebook posts.
• 1:45:44
  Yeah. Private about that, like twice
• 1:45:51
  in the last couple. Of days, I watched the inner
• 1:45:54
  demon podcast and he made mention of something similar to
• 1:45:59
  that. And then, and then I'll post on
• 1:46:01
  his page today. I think it was about along those
• 1:46:07
  lines of just kind of like what it was.
• 1:46:10
  It was about the people searching for their for their
• 1:46:15
  their spirit animal or they're, you know, they're calling their
• 1:46:17
  sign people searching through their assigned.
• 1:46:20
  Yeah. So many people are so many
• 1:46:23
  people are, you know, doing this, and they miss, they miss
• 1:46:27
  all their songs and this all their color.
• 1:46:30
  You go our ego gets in the way and tells us that we decide what
• 1:46:34
  is going to be a son, what we consider a son We're going to
• 1:46:37
  accept as a sign and all the while we're getting them and
• 1:46:41
  we're sitting on them are passing them by and missing all
• 1:46:44
  that communication. Because our ego is, in the way
• 1:46:47
  telling us only, this is the sign because I decided that
• 1:46:51
  that's what's assigned to me. Yeah.
• 1:46:55
  Papa was it, you did you share something about?
• 1:46:58
  And this may be the same post that Cliff is talking about but
• 1:47:00
  did you was it? You that shared something about
• 1:47:04
  their? It was animistic, it was, it was
• 1:47:06
  like a crow and something else. Yeah.
• 1:47:13
  Do you have that available? Like, can you like recite that?
• 1:47:15
  Can you share that? Is that something on your mind
• 1:47:17
  that you would be willing to okay, on to express?
• 1:47:20
  Because I feel like that was a really important message. no,
• 1:47:24
  and for the listeners and whatnot, if you're willing and
• 1:47:26
  able to to convey that, cuz I saw something while you're
• 1:47:34
  looking for it, man, if you don't mind I'm just going to.
• 1:47:36
  I saw something else recently and I'm foggy a bit on the
• 1:47:40
  details because I have to go back and look for it.
• 1:47:41
  I was It was kind of one of those moments where I go down
• 1:47:44
  this Rabbit Hole of information. And I see so many things and I'm
• 1:47:47
  like, oh that's cool. That that's, that's relevant.
• 1:47:49
  And I saw like a story where it was, it was again, a domestic in
• 1:47:54
  nature, and it was Like, the fox and the robin or something like
• 1:48:01
  that. The robin bird.
• 1:48:03
  You know what I mean? And the fox, the Robin and the
• 1:48:08
  crow or something, there was like there were three animals
• 1:48:11
  and it was there was a story about You know how how does
• 1:48:16
  this? This bird forget was the robin
• 1:48:19
  of the crow be he was he was chirping, you know, he was he
• 1:48:22
  was all right, screaming his voice.
• 1:48:25
  You know what I mean? Screaming is voice.
• 1:48:27
  He was singing a song. He was doing his thing and you
• 1:48:31
  know, the Foxwood went to them and It was like they were trying
• 1:48:38
  to get an answer about about things and they didn't get the
• 1:48:41
  answer that they were looking for because they weren't
• 1:48:42
  listening to what was being said.
• 1:48:44
  And what the, what the what the other bird, or what the other
• 1:48:46
  animal was trying to say was, I've lost my friend, I'm sad
• 1:48:49
  about this. I'm trying to tell you this,
• 1:48:52
  this, this sad story among trying to connect with you in
• 1:48:54
  this way and because this other animal was, or this other
• 1:48:57
  figure, this other spirit being was, was thinking along a
• 1:48:59
  different line. It was, they weren't receiving
• 1:49:02
  that message. They were they were too
• 1:49:03
  self-centered, they were two self-focused than two. to stop
• 1:49:07
  and listen to what that message that was trying to be conveyed
• 1:49:09
  to them was telling them, Something along those lines.
• 1:49:14
  I don't know. Lol I'll turn it over to you
• 1:49:16
  pop, if you got that. All right, I did.
• 1:49:20
  If I'm going to recite this poem, I'm going to do it right.
• 1:49:25
  Do it right sir. Oh shit.
• 1:49:31
  We got to turn the lights down, we gotta.
• 1:49:33
  We gotta do. We do to unbutton our shirts, a
• 1:49:35
  little bit. We need to let our hair down.
• 1:49:37
  It was it. Yeah, there we go.
• 1:49:44
  On missing those signs and that you go.
• 1:49:47
  This was just a small poem that I'd written after giving that
• 1:49:51
  example the other night on the dangers of deciding for
• 1:49:56
  yourself. But Communications you're going
• 1:49:59
  to accept or receive. So I called this waiting on a
• 1:50:04
  sign. I went to the forest to wait for
• 1:50:08
  a sign red robins song. So sweet and refined softly,
• 1:50:12
  I'll walk down Robbins, would waive listing for Robin with
• 1:50:15
  something to say crow started shouting?
• 1:50:18
  It was all I could hear Robins song would be missed.
• 1:50:21
  Now, I did fear angry at Crow. I left with a pace Crow noticed
• 1:50:28
  my change and quickly gave Chase back through the forest, back up
• 1:50:32
  the way. I thought to myself, what a
• 1:50:34
  waste of today. I wish to hear Robin the crow
• 1:50:38
  called, instead not listening. Crow had been crying, my friend
• 1:50:43
  Robin is dead. Again, I return for Robin sweet
• 1:50:47
  song, still angry at Crow and how I was done, wrong, Crow
• 1:50:52
  keeps on calling, no matter which time.
• 1:50:54
  So I'm still waiting on Robin for that is my sign.
• 1:51:01
  Wow. So I feel stupid because you
• 1:51:04
  just told the story that I was trying to convey but it was it.
• 1:51:07
  I did it very poorly. So thank you for keeping me
• 1:51:10
  honest. That's what I was thinking.
• 1:51:12
  I saw it was you. It was you papa?
• 1:51:14
  That was the story. That was.
• 1:51:15
  All right, well right. Indeed, but it does man like
• 1:51:25
  that. Hit that.
• 1:51:27
  That's That's it, man. Like that's it speaks to how
• 1:51:33
  much time we waste when we try to decide for ourselves?
• 1:51:36
  What's a sign? If we would have been open to
• 1:51:39
  the communication that was there to us, we would have known that.
• 1:51:43
  We're not going to hear the robin.
• 1:51:46
  But I still keep going back, keep going back, keep going back
• 1:51:49
  because I'm missing the communication.
• 1:51:51
  That's meant for me, because I've decided that the only sign
• 1:51:56
  that is for me. Is that Robin song?
• 1:52:01
  So I'm forever wasting my days on this sign that I could have
• 1:52:05
  learned from day one. Wasn't going to be there.
• 1:52:09
  And I feel like that's a point that's very important for not
• 1:52:14
  just us are taking up this podcast.
• 1:52:19
  But also those of you for watching and partaking, you
• 1:52:23
  know, seize that moment seize that opportunity, you know, it
• 1:52:28
  may not be as Grand. Up an experience of we're
• 1:52:32
  anticipating but it's important know sometimes that curl be this
• 1:52:37
  big, sometimes that Crow, be this big.
• 1:52:40
  It's important to pay my for missing something.
• 1:52:44
  More often than not, its front of front of us.
• 1:52:48
  That's a that's my wife's analogy to what we are doing
• 1:52:52
  here, like our purpose in life, she tells she sold me on
• 1:52:58
  numerous occasions that it's the, that we're here to.
• 1:53:02
  We have to come back and do this every time until we till we
• 1:53:06
  listen to the crow. You know I'm saying, to kind of
• 1:53:11
  to kind of go piggy back off, Papa's poem.
• 1:53:16
  You know, the, the signs that were meant to see in the changes
• 1:53:20
  that were meant to making ourselves.
• 1:53:22
  If we don't make those in this lifetime will be back to do it
• 1:53:25
  again. That's her.
• 1:53:27
  That's her route will van on the reincarnate theories and the end
• 1:53:33
  just the ideology in general of what happens when we die.
• 1:53:40
  If we've, we've decided, or if we've understood, or if we've
• 1:53:44
  heard our message, Whether we were looking forward or not, if
• 1:53:48
  we listened and we've heard it, then we're okay to go to the
• 1:53:53
  next, the next level. Right?
• 1:53:56
  And if not, we're looking for the red bird, you know the
• 1:54:01
  Cardinal. And we've not been here in the
• 1:54:05
  crow, then we'll be back. Exactly.
• 1:54:13
  I would like to give one last piece on what do practicing
• 1:54:17
  heathens do before we close out that something that weighs heavy
• 1:54:22
  on me all the time and it's something that I try to convey
• 1:54:25
  as much as possible as often as possible, what do practicing
• 1:54:29
  heathens do, what works for them.
• 1:54:34
  Those that are getting benefit out of their practice, do what
• 1:54:38
  works for them. It's great to get ideas.
• 1:54:41
  Crumb other people in practice on their rituals or the things
• 1:54:46
  that they incorporate, but it has to work for you.
• 1:54:49
  If it doesn't work for you, there's no point if you want to
• 1:54:52
  model your practice after mine and I tell you, I get up every
• 1:54:55
  morning at 7 a.m. and I go outside for morning prayer, but
• 1:55:01
  you're due at work at 7:00 a.m. to clock in, or you're going to
• 1:55:04
  be late, then it obviously doesn't work.
• 1:55:07
  All right, you have to do what works for you.
• 1:55:10
  You? Or you're going to be missing
• 1:55:14
  it, it's not going to be wholesome.
• 1:55:16
  It's not going to be beneficial to your practice.
• 1:55:21
  Oh yeah. I learned a thing about the
• 1:55:24
  Peregrine and something, that something that I kind of, I
• 1:55:29
  don't know if it's the thing or if I implemented it myself.
• 1:55:32
  But I don't recall ever hearing anything about the her gutter
• 1:55:35
  where, where you take stones from a relative's better Gunner,
• 1:55:46
  when you create your own, I was actually thinking about this
• 1:55:49
  earlier today because it was, it was only like, Maybe two years
• 1:55:55
  ago that I first heard that her the hurdler, the pilot that her
• 1:55:58
  daughter is a powerful Stones where you were, you would hold
• 1:56:01
  your block you sprinkle with blood.
• 1:56:03
  You leave your offerings for whether it be for blow, it's
• 1:56:06
  only or for weekly, like myself. My thing that I do weekly, I
• 1:56:15
  honor my landed here. So I go out to my hair Gutter
• 1:56:19
  and I take an offering of grains and sometimes fruits and
• 1:56:22
  berries. He's and stuff and sometimes
• 1:56:24
  needs depending on if if the if the day that I've chosen to do
• 1:56:31
  it on which is normally Saturday for me, it's a pretty mellow
• 1:56:35
  day. I don't have to be at work, I'll
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  get up fairly early on a Saturday for my work week and I
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  go out and I take my my oatmeal and I take, you know, some
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  berries. And if it's a full moon happens
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  to be a full moon that day, I'll go ahead and take some Mead to
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  too kind of Expand on the offering that I'm giving and I
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  try to do it on a weekly basis. I don't know whether that's
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  something that I just feel like I need to do or if it comes from
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  having, you know, Christian influences involved.
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  But it's something that that I intentionally do on Saturday and
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  that's part of my, my path this party.
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  That's why he even that's had that.
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  That's your, what I like to recall is individual cultic.
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  Practices. Yeah, it doesn't have to be
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  Heathen. It's how you do your thing and
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  that's your cultic practice. And it was.
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  His yours is yours. Patrick's is his mind is mine,
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  right? I don't get to go out to the.
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  I don't have the luxury of getting go out to the woods,
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  like, on a daily basis or even weekly basis.
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  I have, I have a bunch of kids and we're, you know, we got
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  older kids were in baseball. I've got a new baby at home.
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  Wow, I am busy but I I've got, I have 15 20 minutes on Saturday
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  morning that I can go do that. And those 15-20 minutes would
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  before anyone else in the house is awake is when I go do that.
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  Now, when I do my blocks, of course, it's of an evening time.
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  And my, my kids have been getting involved in.
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  Those are like, they're curious. Like, Dad, what are you doing?
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  So I thought I set him down. It's on the story.
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  I explain what I'm doing and it's Need because when you get
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  to do stuff like that and your kids start to become interested
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  in stuff like that, they start to pick up little things.
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  Yeah, man. And I'm not, I'm not like big on
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  runes, like I'm not, I don't, I'm baby with rooms like I don't
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  really I'm not super for fishing in the rooms but I still, I look
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  at them. I feel them at some, I read on
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  them, I do stuff, you know, to try to learn the Rings.
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  I'm trying to learn to lose my youngest son, probably knows
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  more about the rooms and I do because he comes out and he
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  tells me That's the B room dad. That means, you know, birch
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  tree, you know, I'm very very good, you know, very good son
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  because he comes out and he asked me questions and I tell
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  him stuff. So you know that's that's how I
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  he I'm not raising my Christian, my kids to be Christian but I'm
• 1:59:23
  also not raising them that Christianity is bad because they
• 1:59:26
  hear, you know, stories about Jesus and whatever whatever
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  book. So well, you're not forcing, it
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  doesn't sound like you're forcing your beliefs on even
• 1:59:38
  your own family and you're living it out in your Hearth,
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  which is Sovereign and, which is sacred to you.
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  And those within the sanctity of in the confines of your inner
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  yard are exposed to your cultic practices.
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  And so it's natural to be inquisitive and to explore and
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  to learn. And that's the beauty of it.
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  I think the exposure exposure causes normalcy and when you get
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  that normal, she exposure, you get more of a free-thinking
• 2:00:11
  society or even more of a free-thinking thought process
• 2:00:15
  about things, you know, and that's kind of what I'm trying
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  to do with my, with my inner voice.
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  Here. You know, my inning guard, with
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  my little family that I have is trying to do trying to get them
• 2:00:27
  to think of long that thought process, you know, exposure.
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  Gates understanding and understanding is the key to All
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  Things. Yes, country more, and that's
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  something. I'm that's tie off.
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  From what Papa was saying. I hope you can choose that dry
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  do but my last thoughts and this awesome podcast big along
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  amazing man those of you watching who may be new I speak
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  to you. You're among three people.
• 2:01:03
  Great men and I really smile hard when Jesse had this
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  podcast. I'm like man it's been a great
• 2:01:12
  opportunity to me. Cliff and Papa we seized the
• 2:01:15
  Opportunity. We took it, you know?
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  Anyways. I hope that you are like me and
• 2:01:22
  rubble and it all but sucking up, everything you hear and I've
• 2:01:27
  heard replay if necessary but this is really special about
• 2:01:33
  this patent. This practice is being among
• 2:01:36
  your special book, your special folk and even if you don't have
• 2:01:40
  those people rarely available like distance wise, they're out
• 2:01:45
  there well, that they may live three hours from Um, you five
• 2:01:50
  hours from you eight hours, Mewtwo of hours.
• 2:01:53
  Those people are there in spirit.
• 2:01:55
  Amongst the four of us were in three different time zones.
• 2:01:57
  I believe I am reading a 25 by time.
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  Yeah. You where we're across two
• 2:02:06
  different time zones, gentleman. I got 9:30.
• 2:02:11
  Feels like three different times.
• 2:02:16
  But yeah, for the sake of of everybody participating right
• 2:02:21
  now, I feel like we've we've done a very good job of touching
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  on the topic at hand. The last thing I just want to
• 2:02:33
  say is Russell, you know, you had posted this comment in the
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  midgard musings Facebook page. And the last thing you said was
• 2:02:43
  that you'd love to be able Able to refer someone who is asking
• 2:02:49
  your, you know, the questions that you post to an episode of
• 2:02:53
  the podcast because you don't always have the time yourself to
• 2:02:56
  go in depth with these questions.
• 2:02:57
  You see how in-depth we went in the last hour or two at this
• 2:03:03
  point, you know, a couple hours, right?
• 2:03:06
  The time evades us and we've barely really even scratched the
• 2:03:10
  surface. But hopefully, what we've
• 2:03:12
  collectively, been able to share is that There's nobody really
• 2:03:17
  that can tell you how what, what, what heathens as I overall
• 2:03:22
  Collective, what do practicing heathens?
• 2:03:24
  Do you heard so many things about what for different
• 2:03:27
  practicing heathens do, or people that have come in touch
• 2:03:32
  with their spirituality do? And so for anybody that comes to
• 2:03:36
  this episode, that that is looking for how to do your
• 2:03:41
  thing. Hopefully the message that is
• 2:03:44
  ringing. And resonating loud and clear
• 2:03:47
  is, you know, how do you practice your Heathen?
• 2:03:50
  Re figure it out. Find your way, as Papa said, in
• 2:03:55
  the beginning, there's no book. This beauty of it.
• 2:03:57
  There's, it's, that's the beauty of it.
• 2:04:00
  There's no set rulers, there's Planters with, there's no set
• 2:04:05
  rules, there's no book, there's no develop your tradition,
• 2:04:09
  develop your Customs, develop your Traditions, develop your
• 2:04:12
  what we call sometimes through, you know and through Ooh is ever
• 2:04:16
  ever growing it doesn't, it's not static, its kinetic, it
• 2:04:21
  grows it moves it evolves, you know.
• 2:04:25
  And also don't follow blindly this analogy but spaghetti
• 2:04:29
  spaghetti, that you're going to be hard pressed to find any two
• 2:04:33
  people in the world. That makes spaghetti.
• 2:04:34
  Exactly the same everything. Even if you get it from your
• 2:04:39
  grandma, you're gonna tweak it just a little bit and there's
• 2:04:42
  going to be an extra pinch of oregano or A little bit less
• 2:04:46
  parsley or something. That's going to make it your own
• 2:04:50
  because that's what suits your flavor palate.
• 2:04:52
  That's what works for you and your kitchen.
• 2:04:55
  Yes it's spaghetti across the board everybody around the world
• 2:04:59
  eats it but yours is yours season your sauce to the way
• 2:05:04
  your taste It has, and I hope everybody
• 2:05:23
  that's been, you know, that that's here listening and
• 2:05:25
  watching when this premieres. And when this is out here that
• 2:05:27
  you have taken something of value away from all this, I sure
• 2:05:31
  have. So for, you know, Cliff Patrick
• 2:05:36
  and and papa, I'd like to extend my very special thanks to you
• 2:05:42
  gentlemen for being available and wanting to come on here and
• 2:05:45
  And wrap a bit about it and share your respective, insights
• 2:05:50
  knowledge and experiences. Don't go anywhere because I do
• 2:05:54
  want to just say something to you guys offline off the
• 2:05:56
  podcast, but for everybody else outside that is listened and
• 2:06:02
  watched this this episode thank you so much.
• 2:06:06
  Be sure to check the description and show notes of this podcast
• 2:06:10
  for The link to the Highland group that Patrick and cliff
• 2:06:15
  help run in and see all the tear that is associated with, with
• 2:06:20
  Papa listen here, there's going to be all that information link
• 2:06:23
  down in the description and show notes of his podcast.
• 2:06:26
  So do be sure to check all of that out and support these guys
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  in any way that you can. And until we talk again, May the
• 2:06:35
  gods continue to notice you and may your ancestors smile upon
• 2:06:39
  you. And thank you all so much.