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Abandoned at the Mall: The Secret Life, Brutal Murder, and Chilling Silence of a Witness Baby · Crime Night

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  Speaker 1: Okay, let's start this deep dive picture this. It's two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and seven Chicksayed Area, Cairo. We're dropping you right
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  Speaker 1: into one of the biggest, most chaotic commercial centers you
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  Speaker 1: can imagine. Think about the noise, hundreds of shoppers, carts,
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  Speaker 1: rattling music, chatter everywhere, just this wall of sound. But
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  Speaker 1: then there's this one sound cutting through it, all sharp, persistent.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a sound that just chills you. A baby
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  Speaker 2: crying NonStop.
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  Speaker 1: At first, you know, people probably just walk by, figure
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  Speaker 1: the mom was nearby, maybe just round the corner.
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  Speaker 2: Happens all the time, right, A little tantrum, a lost moment.
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  Speaker 1: But this went on, and the focus eventually lands on
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  Speaker 1: this single shopping cart, just sitting there, abandoned, right in
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  Speaker 1: the middle of a busy walkway.
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  Speaker 2: And inside there's the source of the crying, a tiny
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  Speaker 2: baby about what one year and two months old alone, terrified.
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  Speaker 1: But it wasn't just the baby that felt wrong. It
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  Speaker 1: was what was in the cart with her. Ah.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, that's a key detail. Right from the start. It
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  Speaker 2: wasn't groceries, it wasn't normal shopping.
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  Speaker 1: Those just junk, almost a really weird mix of random
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  Speaker 1: cheap things. Like someone just grabbed items off shelves.
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  Speaker 2: Without looking exactly, and that tells you something immediately Psychologically,
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  Speaker 2: the person pushing that cart, their mind wasn't on shopping.
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  Speaker 1: It suggests panic disorientation.
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  Speaker 2: Definitely, like they were trying to look normal, go through
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  Speaker 2: the motions, but really their focus was somewhere else entirely,
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  Speaker 2: probably on escaping whatever they'd just done.
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  Speaker 1: So eventually, mall security steps in does the usual thing,
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  Speaker 1: right loud speaker announcements Yep, lost.
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  Speaker 2: Child found, description follows over and over again throughout the
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  Speaker 2: entire mall.
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  Speaker 1: Yet nothing. An hour goes by, still just the baby crying,
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  Speaker 1: No parent comes forward.
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  Speaker 2: That's when the unease really sets in. For security. An
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  Speaker 2: hour is a.
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  Speaker 1: Long time, so three hours pass. It's eight pm. Now
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  Speaker 1: they realize that this isn't just a lost parent situation.
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  Speaker 1: They call the police and.
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  Speaker 2: File a formal report. Now it's a potential crime scene.
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  Speaker 1: Detective show up. They see the distraught baby first step
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  Speaker 1: CCTV footage.
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  Speaker 2: Just standard procedure. They find the cart first appeared around
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  Speaker 2: five pm. But there's a huge problem. The crowds just overwhelming.
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  Speaker 2: Trying to pinpoint who actually left the cart in that
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  Speaker 2: sea of people virtually impossible from the initial footage, and didn't.
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  Speaker 1: They run into some confusing stuff on the tapes, like
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  Speaker 1: other people handling the cart.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that threw them for a bit. They saw
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  Speaker 2: several different people approach the cart, interact with the baby,
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  Speaker 2: even push the cart around.
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  Speaker 1: So they thought maybe accomplices handoffs.
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  Speaker 2: For a moment maybe, But then they figured it out
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  Speaker 2: these were just people trying to help, good Samaritans.
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  Speaker 1: Ah, So they'd find the baby, try to locate the parents.
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  Speaker 2: Right, walk around for a bit, asking people looking, and
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  Speaker 2: when they couldn't find anyone, you just put the.
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  Speaker 1: Baby back where they found her in the cart.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly hoping the parent would return to that spot. It's
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  Speaker 2: kind of heartbreaking. Actually, multiple people tried to help but
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  Speaker 2: ultimately had to leave her there.
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  Speaker 1: Again. Wow, so you have this active abandonment, but then
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  Speaker 1: these little acts of kindness from strangers. It's quite a contrast,
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  Speaker 1: it really is.
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  Speaker 2: And the detectives noticed one more thing before they widen
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  Speaker 2: the search. The baby's close What about them They were
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  Speaker 2: brand new, clean, look like they'd just been put on her.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, what does that suggest?
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  Speaker 2: It's significant. It implies the person who left her didn't
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  Speaker 2: intend for her to be neglected or come to harm
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  Speaker 2: from you know, exposure or filth. It wasn't just.
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  Speaker 1: Dumping her, more like a deliberate placement.
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  Speaker 2: Precisely leaving her somewhere public, busy where she'd definitely be
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  Speaker 2: found quickly with a small measure of care, the clean clothes.
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  Speaker 2: They wanted her safe, just away away from them and
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  Speaker 2: likely away from a crime scene.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so the mall's internal cameras are a dead end
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  Speaker 1: for finding the original person. What's the police's next move?
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  Speaker 2: They have to think bigger, expand the search grid. Look
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  Speaker 2: outside the.
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  Speaker 1: Mall, parking lots, entrance gates, yeah, roads leading in and out,
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  Speaker 1: all of it.
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  Speaker 2: Which means sifting through hours and hours of footage from
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  Speaker 2: multiple angles. Do you with heavy traffic flow. It's a
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  Speaker 2: massive task, incredibly meticulous work.
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  Speaker 1: They're deep in this painstaking review looking for that one car,
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  Speaker 1: that one person entering, and then the case just cracks
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  Speaker 1: wide open.
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  Speaker 2: Out of nowhere. It's three am. Emergency Services gets.
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  Speaker 1: A call, an anonymous call.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, a woman calling from a landline in Showbra. She
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  Speaker 2: sounds terrified, won't give her name, won't say where she
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  Speaker 2: is exactly.
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  Speaker 1: But she gives them something crucial.
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  Speaker 2: She gives them everything. She says, her brother Mutaz murdered
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  Speaker 2: his wife Cepheia, and then he abandoned their baby in
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  Speaker 2: a big mall in Shakesaide.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, just lays.
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  Speaker 2: It all out, the whole core of the crime. And
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  Speaker 2: because it was a landline, they could trace it quickly
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  Speaker 2: to a specific address in Shobra.
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  Speaker 1: So detective's head straight there.
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  Speaker 2: Immediately they arrive find the woman who made the call.
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  Speaker 2: It is indeed Mutaz's sister. She's obviously beside herself.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Wait, she knew her brother confessed the murder, but
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  Speaker 1: she waited hours till three am and called anonymously.
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  Speaker 2: Why it sounds like a terrible conflict, doesn't it. Fear
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  Speaker 2: for her brother versus fear for the baby, she told
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  Speaker 2: the police. Mutaz showed up at her house around nine.
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  Speaker 1: Pm, just an hour after the police were officially called.
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  Speaker 2: To the All right, he was apparently in a state
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  Speaker 2: of complete collapse, confessed everything, killing Sefea, leaving the child,
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  Speaker 2: and then he just fled, vanished before she could even
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  Speaker 2: process it.
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  Speaker 1: So why the anonymous call then? If she was talking
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  Speaker 1: to police.
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  Speaker 2: Now, Her primary motive, she said, was absolute terror for
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  Speaker 2: the baby. She didn't know where Mutaz and Cepheia lived
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  Speaker 2: in shik say ed that was part of his secret life.
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  Speaker 2: She couldn't tell the police where the murder.
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  Speaker 1: Happened, uh I see, so she couldn't lead them to
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  Speaker 1: the crime scene or her brother, but she could confirm
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  Speaker 1: the baby was abandoned and hopefully trigger a faster search
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  Speaker 1: or identification exactly.
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  Speaker 2: She felt she had to do something for the child,
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  Speaker 2: even if it meant implicating her brother indirectly and anonymously
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  Speaker 2: at first.
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  Speaker 1: So now the police have names Mutas the killer, Sphaia
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  Speaker 1: the victim. So why what led to this?
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  Speaker 2: We need to go back right absolutely to understand the rage,
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  Speaker 2: the motive. You have to rewind, go back three years
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  Speaker 2: to two thousand and four, back to Shobra Alkafawi district.
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  Speaker 2: That's where their story really begins.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, lay the groundwork for us. Were they back then?
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  Speaker 2: Muta's abul Raman, who was thirty eight, had a decent
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  Speaker 2: job at a hospital, came from a respectable family. But
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  Speaker 2: and this seems important, he didn't have a lot of
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  Speaker 2: experience with you know, serious relationship.
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  Speaker 1: In Ceya Sefea she was.
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  Speaker 2: Younger, twenty nine, but she'd lived more life. It seems,
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  Speaker 2: already divorced once from her cousin. They had a child together,
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  Speaker 2: but the cousin got custody after the split. When Mutaz
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  Speaker 2: met her, he just fell hard, completely captivated.
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  Speaker 1: So he wants to marry her. How does his family
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  Speaker 1: react badly?
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  Speaker 2: Immediately they were totally against it. Part of it was
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  Speaker 2: the divorce, sure, but Mutaz's father apparently did some digging.
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  Speaker 2: Uh oh, yeah, he heard things, negative reports about her reputation,
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  Speaker 2: likely stirred up by the ex husband who maybe wanted
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  Speaker 2: revenge for the divorce. The family warned Mutaz point blank
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  Speaker 2: this bad idea stay.
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  Speaker 1: Away, but Mutez didn't listen, not at all.
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  Speaker 2: He was convinced Sefaya was the victim, that the ex
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  Speaker 2: was just being malicious. He completely bought her side of
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  Speaker 2: the story.
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  Speaker 1: So he marries her anyway, against his family's wishes.
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  Speaker 2: Defied them, completely married her and brought her to live
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  Speaker 2: with them in the family home.
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  Speaker 1: Oh that sounds like a recipe for disaster.
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  Speaker 2: And it was big time. Problems started almost instantly, like
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  Speaker 2: within the first week, constant friction between Sephaya and his family.
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  Speaker 1: How long did that last?
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  Speaker 2: Only four months? Four miserable months. Apparently they agreed to divorce.
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  Speaker 2: Mutaz's family must have been hugely relieved thought the whole
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  Speaker 2: ordeal was finally over.
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  Speaker 1: But it wasn't the end of Sefaya's story.
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  Speaker 2: Far from it. Just three months after divorcing Mutaz, she
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  Speaker 2: gets married again, her third marriage do a guy named
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  Speaker 2: Abdul al Salama. And here's a crucial piece. He was
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  Speaker 2: known to be involved in dealing drugs.
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  Speaker 1: Seriously. She marries her drug yes and.
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  Speaker 2: Moves away with him to Elba Satin. They were married
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  Speaker 2: for about ten months, and during that time she gives
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  Speaker 2: birth to a daughter.
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  Speaker 1: The daughter, the baby from the shopping cart.
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  Speaker 2: The very same one she divorced Abdul al all right
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  Speaker 2: after the baby was born.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so now Saphia is divorced again with a new baby.
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  Speaker 1: What happens next?
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  Speaker 2: About a year goes by. Safaya's life isn't stable, it seems,
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  Speaker 2: and she circles back.
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  Speaker 1: To Mutaz, finds him again after all that.
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  Speaker 2: Seeks him out at his workplace, tells him she's fallen
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  Speaker 2: on hard times, needs help, and Mutaz, well, he's still
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  Speaker 2: carrying that torch for her. He sees it as a
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  Speaker 2: second chance.
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  Speaker 1: Does his family know?
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  Speaker 2: No way this time Safea sets a condition. She'll remarry him,
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  Speaker 2: but they have to live completely alone, far away from
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  Speaker 2: his family, who she knew hated her.
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  Speaker 1: And Mutez agrees to keep it secret.
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  Speaker 2: He agrees he wants her back that badly, so he
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  Speaker 2: hatches this plan. There's an ed holiday coming.
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  Speaker 1: Up, perfect cover exactly.
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  Speaker 2: He tells his family he's going on a trip down
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  Speaker 2: to Luxor, but insteads.
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  Speaker 1: An apartment secretly yeah in shakesay ed yep sets up.
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  Speaker 2: A secret life and he remarries Sapaeia, but not officially.
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  Speaker 1: What do you mean?
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  Speaker 2: They do what's called an irfy marriage. It's like a
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  Speaker 2: common law marriage, recognize socially or religiously by some, but
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  Speaker 2: crucially not registered with the state. It offers no legal protections,
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  Speaker 2: but provides secrecy, the.
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  Speaker 1: Secrecy he needed to avoid his family finding out.
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  Speaker 2: Precisely so they start this hidden life together in shakesaid,
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  Speaker 2: just the two of them and the baby.
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  Speaker 1: How long did this secret second marriage last before things
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  Speaker 1: went wrong again?
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  Speaker 2: Only about three months. Three months into this isolated existence,
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  Speaker 2: Mutaz starts getting suspicious about what Sefeia's phone calls. She
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  Speaker 2: was being very secretive getting lots of calls. He started
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  Speaker 2: to wonder, maybe he even started following.
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  Speaker 1: Her and what did he find out?
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  Speaker 2: The worst possible thing from his perspective. He confirmed she
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  Speaker 2: was still seeing husband number three, abdul Al, the drug dealer.
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  Speaker 1: Well married to Mataz.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, meeting him regularly, apparently getting money from him, but
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  Speaker 2: also maintaining the relationship. It wasn't just about finances.
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  Speaker 1: That must have just destroyed Mutaz, all those warnings from
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  Speaker 1: his family coming true.
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  Speaker 2: You can imagine the sense of betrayal and maybe humiliation.
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  Speaker 1: He confronts her, And how did Sevey react? Denial, apology?
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  Speaker 2: Neither, According to Mutaz's confession, Later, she just attacked him verbally, viciously,
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  Speaker 2: What did you say? Really cutting things, told him abdul
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  Speaker 2: Al was more of a man than he was, had
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  Speaker 2: more money than She delivered the final blow, which was
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  Speaker 2: she called him a coward, said he couldn't even stand
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  Speaker 2: up to his own family, hiding their marriage like a
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  Speaker 2: shameful secret. She basically questioned his entire manhood.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, that's designed to wound deeply, and it clearly did.
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  Speaker 2: It seemed to just snap something inside him. He leaves
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  Speaker 2: the apartment, storms out to cool off, Not exactly, he
• 10:50
  Speaker 2: said he wanted the streets for about two hours, But
• 10:53
  Speaker 2: it sounds less like cooling off and more like simmering
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  Speaker 2: stealing himself, because when he came back he had decided
• 11:01
  Speaker 2: what to kill her. He came back with the intent
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  Speaker 2: to murder Cephaia.
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  Speaker 1: Oh god, So what happened When he got back to
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  Speaker 1: the apartment.
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  Speaker 2: Cefea and the baby were asleep. He went back outside,
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  Speaker 2: found a large stone on the street, brought it inside.
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  Speaker 1: He used it.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, He started hitting her on the head with the
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  Speaker 2: stone repeatedly. She woke up, started fighting back, resisting. So
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  Speaker 2: then what He tried to choke her with his bare hands,
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  Speaker 2: but she was still struggling, fighting for her life.
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  Speaker 1: This is horrific. He's escalating terribly.
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  Speaker 2: When choking didn't work, quickly, he grabbed an electric wire,
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  Speaker 2: maybe from an appliance. He wrapped it around her neck
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  Speaker 2: and pulled tight until she stopped moving. He you think
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  Speaker 2: she's dead, then he must have thought so. But then
• 11:41
  Speaker 2: he checked her pulse or her heart and realized she
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  Speaker 2: was still alive. Barely it may be, but still alive.
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  Speaker 1: After all that.
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  Speaker 2: Ye, the stone, the strangling, yes, and his reaction. It
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  Speaker 2: shows a horrifying level of determination. He didn't stop. He
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  Speaker 2: went to the bathroom.
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  Speaker 1: Why.
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  Speaker 2: He filled a large bucket a jartle with water, carried
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  Speaker 2: it back to where ce Fa laow and he held
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  Speaker 2: her head down on the water. He drowned her, held
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  Speaker 2: her there until he was absolutely certain she was dead.
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  Speaker 1: And the baby, the one year old, was there.
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  Speaker 2: For all of this, in the same small apartment, the
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  Speaker 2: only witness. It's just unimaginable.
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  Speaker 1: What did Mutahs do right after after he knew she
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  Speaker 1: was dead.
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  Speaker 2: He seemed to just explode in a different kind of rage,
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  Speaker 2: a destructive one. He started smashing things in the apartment,
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  Speaker 2: the TV, the stove, the watching machine, like he was
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  Speaker 2: trying to erase the entire existence they had.
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  Speaker 1: There, destroying the life he built in.
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  Speaker 2: Secrets, exactly obliterating the past. But then, amidst that chaos,
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  Speaker 2: he focuses on the baby.
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  Speaker 1: He changes her clothes, puts the new ones on.
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  Speaker 2: Her, that strange moment of care again. He dresses her,
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  Speaker 2: takes her, leaves the apartment, drives her to that huge
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  Speaker 2: commercial center in shakesay.
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  Speaker 1: It and leaves her in the shopping cart.
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  Speaker 2: Leaves her there, believing someone would find her quickly and
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  Speaker 2: take care of her. Believing he could just walk away
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  Speaker 2: because his family didn't know the address, he thought he
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  Speaker 2: was untraceable.
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  Speaker 1: Which brings us back to the investigation. His sister's tip
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  Speaker 1: gave them his name. They knew who they were looking for.
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  Speaker 1: How did they actually catch him?
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  Speaker 2: Ah, this part is quite clever. The police knew where
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  Speaker 2: he might be hiding out, likely with other family or friends,
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  Speaker 2: after fleeing his sister's place, but they needed his confession. Ideally,
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  Speaker 2: they needed him to come.
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  Speaker 1: To them, so they didn't just raid the place.
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  Speaker 2: No, they played a psychological card, a really smart one.
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  Speaker 2: They knew Mutaz was absolutely certain he had killed Sephaia.
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  Speaker 2: He'd used extreme, undeniable violent stone wire drowning. There was
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  Speaker 2: no doubt in his mind.
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  Speaker 1: She was dead. Okay, So how did they use that?
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  Speaker 2: They contacted him directly and they lied.
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  Speaker 1: What did they tell him?
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  Speaker 2: They told him Sophia wasn't dead. They said she was alive,
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  Speaker 2: found barely conscious, and was now recovering in the hospital.
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  Speaker 1: WHOA, that's bold.
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  Speaker 2: Very They framed it not as a murder investigation, but
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  Speaker 2: as a serious assault case. They told him, basically, look,
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  Speaker 2: this is bad, but it's not murder. If you come
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  Speaker 2: in tell your side of what happened, we can sort
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  Speaker 2: this out much more easily.
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  Speaker 1: And Mutaz bought it. He must have been.
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  Speaker 2: Reeling completely the one possibility he hadn't considered that she
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  Speaker 2: somehow survived all that. It must have shattered his confidence,
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  Speaker 2: a sense of control. He believed the lie, so he
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  Speaker 2: just showed up, walked right into the police station, calmly surrendered,
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  Speaker 2: and then, believing the charge was just assault, he confessed.
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  Speaker 1: Everything from the argument, the taunts.
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  Speaker 2: The rage, to the details of the murder itself, the stone,
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  Speaker 2: the wire, the drowning, the abandonment, the whole sequence. He
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  Speaker 2: thought he was explaining an assault, but he was confessing
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  Speaker 2: to murder.
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  Speaker 1: And then he led them to the apartment.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, showed them the scene, the tools he used, the stone,
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  Speaker 2: the wire, the bucket, it was all there. His confession,
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  Speaker 2: combined with the physical evidence and the sister's initial report,
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  Speaker 2: sealed the case.
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  Speaker 1: What was the final outcome from Mutas.
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  Speaker 2: After the investigation and trial, he was convicted of meditated murder.
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: The sentence was death execution.
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  Speaker 1: Such a tragic end fueled by this refusal to see reality.
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  Speaker 2: It really underscores the danger of wow confirmation bias maybe,
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  Speaker 2: or just intense denial. His family warned him right at
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: the start about Sophia. He ignored them, built this narrative
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: he wanted to believe.
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  Speaker 1: And when that narrative crumbled, first with the divorce, then
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: with the discovery about abdul Ahrah, he couldn't cope.
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  Speaker 2: No, the attachment, the self deception, it was too strong.
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  Speaker 2: It led him down this path of secrecy, volatility, and
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  Speaker 2: ultimately extreme violence. He destroyed her life and his own.
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  Speaker 1: And it's ironic, isn't it. His attempt at secrecy, moving
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: away the earth, and marriage. It all fell apart anyway,
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: undone by his sister's conscience, triggered by the cries of
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: the baby he left behind.
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: It truly is which leads us to that final haunting thought, to.
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: Leave you with the baby.
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: Yes, the one year old child. She saw everything, hurt, everything,
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: the argument, the violency, aftermat the only witness to the
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: entire horrific event, But she was too young to ever
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: see speak about it, to testify, to describe what happened.
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: So the question is, what is that silence, the complete
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: enforced silence of the most innocent observer. What does that
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: tell us about the chaos she witnessed, about the dark
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: side of human relationships and the devastating consequences when they
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: break down so violently, Something to think about.