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When God Is Abandoned, Nations Collapse | Exposing the Playbook w/ Chris Prosch · Man in America Podcast

• 0:15
  Speaker 1: Welcome to Man in America, a voice of reason in a world gone mad. I'm your host, Seth Holehouse. As we witness the unveiling, the uncovering of what a lot of us have known for some time, but now we're seeing it in the flesh, in the documentation that there is an immense amount of evil that is running this country, other countries, the institutions, and so much more as we kind of page through these Epstein files. One of the questions that I really hone in on is what happened to this country, and what does it mean that the founding fathers, when they set up the the rules and the documents and the structure of this country, they talked about how our nation must be a moral nation. Otherwise, the constitution, the bill of rights, everything that they put into place to protect us from tyranny will no longer work.
• 1:13
  Yet here we are, and you look around our nation, and I would say that we have fallen very far from grace as a nation. I mean, now there's still a lot of good people in this country. I really believe that. There's a lot of good people that have just been deceived as well that need to help we need to help them see through the lies that have led them to where they are now. But to me, this is a really important time to have a discussion like this and just saying, what is the future of this country if we can't figure out some way to get back to our moral roots and some way to bring back a a shared humanity and a shared understanding of the world back into America when it has been fractured into a million pieces.
• 1:53
  And so joining me today is my good friend, Chris Prosh, who I've had on multiple times before, and we're gonna be kinda having a sober conversation about these exact topics. So I hope you enjoy the show. Before we dive into it, just a few quick things. First off, if you're watching on Rumble, thank you for supporting a free speech platform. Make sure you hit that thumbs up, leave a comment, make sure you subscribe to the channel.
• 2:15
  Also, show is done as a podcast as well as a video. So if you prefer to listen, go to your favorite podcast app, you know, Apple Apple, Spotify, etcetera, and find me on there. So let's go and jump in this conversation with Chris Prosh. Chris, man, it's good to have you back on the show. I think the last time we did this was around maybe it was the election, 2020 was it gosh.
• 2:41
  Was that 2024 by this point? I feel like that the years have just all blended together. But, anyway, it's been a while, and it's good to have you on here.
• 2:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It was a lot of fun last time. I think we were on, election night twenty twenty four, for, like, six hours, you know, just just making sure nonsense happening. And we had the pleasure of having general Flynn on too. So that was a it was a great night.
• 3:02
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Yeah. That was a yeah. Gosh. How much has changed since then?
• 3:08
  I felt like I I don't even recognize the world anymore, which maybe that's by design. Right? So we're gonna be hitting on a handful of different topics, but I think that the underlying theme with this discussion is, I think, helping people assemble the toolkit, the mental toolkit to survive a world where propaganda is everywhere. And not just propaganda on CNN or Fox News, even at the influencer level, at the subtle algorithm, kinda AI driven algorithm, manipulation. It just there's so much, but actually, there's ways to be centered to see through it.
• 3:55
  Right? And I think that we'll be hitting on a lot of that. But also, you're someone that follows politics closer than I do. I've become a little more of a, I gotta say I'm a black pillar because I I feel very I feel really good actually because I feel like I've just taken control into my own hands instead of relying on DC. But I do wanna talk to
• 4:15
  Speaker 2: you
• 4:15
  Speaker 1: about midterms and just in light of everything that's happened recently, especially with the Epstein files and this the complete lack of trust in the institution. So we'll get to that. But let's go ahead. Well, before we jump in, I'll pull up your substack just so people have it, which we'll be referencing in a few different times today. So, it's PMG, which is, the it's at PMG 100.
• 4:38
  I'll make sure that the link to it is in the description. But you've got a really, really good substack, which is very analytical. You know, you're not just saying, oh, the media is lying. You're saying, okay. Here's a 100 examples of the media being caught in a lie.
• 4:55
  And you're calling up both sides too in this, which which I appreciate. But, anyway, so we'll come back to that as we kinda go throughout the show. I just wanna bring people's attention to it and, encourage them to subscribe. It's $10 a month on Substack. It's good content, helping people.
• 5:08
  Really, I think, as you say here, honest questions for people tired of being managed. Right? That's what it is. Like, people are tired of being engineered and manipulated, and so it's about asking these honest questions. Anyway, let's kinda dive in, and I'll let you dive into first taking a look at what you're seeing happening with the media.
• 5:29
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• 7:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that's a you know, first off, thank you for the for the shout out. I appreciate it. Yeah. I mean, you know, we're heading into a midterm.
• 7:18
  You know, it's it's there's nothing more hilarious, you know, when Trump won in 2024. And when I'll I'll never forget. You know, he he flew to to, a Cathedral Of Notre Dame in Paris, you know, opening back up again. And I'll never forget how all the European heads of state reacted to him. It was like a king walking through this giant beautiful cathedral because they all want to be on this good side because now he you know, it it it he gave the impression that he's learned from, you know, from his first term.
• 7:45
  And when he finally got in office, you know, in January 2025, almost unanimously, all the media pivoted to being nice to him. YouTube bought backed off of censorship or at least pretended to. You know, Mark Zuckerberg had that famous Joe Rogan interview where he's like, yeah, the Biden administration and the FBI co works to me, you know, into, censoring Christians and conservatives, libertarians, you know, really anybody who was the enemy of of the Biden administration, which was, you know, probably three, you know, three to four bits of the country. But but no. It's it's just, you know, we're we're living in an age where they don't want us thinking.
• 8:18
  You know, it's it's it's a sad day when 90% of mainstream media, you know, Washington Post is owned by, you know, a liberal Jeff Bezos. You know, Mark Zuckerberg owns Facebook and and and Instagram. I don't know if that's, you know, not not violating antitrust laws, you know, or the fact that Google owns YouTube, same thing. You know, CNN, you know, oh my gosh, MSNBC. I mean, all these major media outlets are literal literally owned by major Democrat donors.
• 8:44
  And, you know, Fox News isn't much better. I mean, I'll I'll never forget I'll never forget how they how they were in 2020, you know, when that election that election night happened. I mean, there was a lot of oddities happening. But, you know, and even more recently with with all the ICE protests, you know, it it's it's it's sickening to see The Hill at CNN and the Washington Post, New York Times almost unanimously covering the exact same narrative. You know, because we're in midterms, they want to diminish Trump's support and power in DC, and and they wanna flip the house.
• 9:12
  They they know they're not gonna get the senate, that that's just a physical impossibility, but they might get the house by five to 10 votes.
• 9:19
  Speaker 1: And so, I mean, even looking where all this is going I mean okay. You know, right now, we've we've just had these Epstein files come out, and they are damning is putting it so lightly, the information contained in here. And what I'm seeing, though, is you're seeing kinda two sides to this. You're seeing that the Trump administration is basically saying, well, nothing prosecutable in there. No arrests are gonna happen.
• 9:53
  You know, Trump is like, oh, they just it's this planted information. It's a Democrat hoax. And they've kind of pretty unanimously taken that position, but you also have people on the other side, even some, you know, some, Democrat lawmakers, etcetera, now coming out and they're saying, well, you know, Trump's name was in there quite a lot, and there's some pretty damning things and even some sworn testimony about, you know, some very damning things. You know, threats to people's family, you know, dead children. I mean, you know, just, people can go look in in, you know, for themselves.
• 10:26
  They wanna see it. And, I mean, I feel like it has us at a really strange crossroads because I think that for a lot of people, myself included, it's like I I feel very politically homeless right now. And it's actually, it's very freeing. I like the feeling of it. I'm not It's like, I am not a Republican, but I'm not a Democrat.
• 10:48
  And it's almost like I feel like even saying I'm a libertarian is still participating in that system, where it's like, my view is the whole system is corrupted. And if you didn't see it before the Epstein files came out, you now see it, that it is corrupted in immeasurable ways. And so, looking at heading into the midterms, it's like, well, it's gosh, it's like, do I vote for this politician that's probably got, you know, dirt on him from Epstein or someone else, or that politician from the same you know, this one says he's a conservative, yet we've you know, we hear through the rumor mills that he's kinda diddling boys on the side, and this person says this. I mean, I I just find that and maybe this is by design, that everything feels so chaotic, and you don't know who to trust anymore. And it used to be that you could trust the media, then obviously that fell apart.
• 11:46
  Then it was that you could start you could say trust your influences you're following. We've seen a lot of these influencers have now shown to be part of influence networks and have all kinds of terrible things that you kind of hidden under their rug. And so how how do you how do you make sense of all this?
• 12:04
  Speaker 2: Just understanding the the power dynamics. You know, if you look at, you know, some of these influencers who are, you know, oddly receiving money from foreign interests and foreign countries, you know, they'll just play it off saying, oh, well, it's it's irrelevant from where, you know, if, you know, where they're at. You know, they can be from Dubai or The UAE or they can, you know, be from Saudi Arabia or Germany. You know, they're just advertisers. That's all they are.
• 12:26
  You know, they'll they'll just play it down. But they they purposefully you know, even even even conservative ones, know, they they purposely bury the leads because they don't really want us looking there. You know? You know? But even back to the Epstein things, you know, as well, you know, when president Trump was campaigning for his reelection, you know, in '23, '24, and '25, I guess, when he got into '25, you know, he made big promises of of of of exposing the deep state.
• 12:49
  You know? And and I I think I believe he he was trying his best to keep his promises when Doge, you know, and Elon were there. And, you know, Rasmussen, you know, they they they showed strong polling that most of Americans actually supported overwhelmingly. You know? I mean, people in America are are screaming and demanding accountability.
• 13:07
  But with the Epstein files, you know, what's funny was there was a similar poll that came out showing RFK junior is actually the most popular member of Trump's cabinet. You know who's not the most popular, member of his cabinet? Attorney general Bondi. She's not the most popular because, you know, she promised promised transparency with the fstinct files, and she said within three to six months. Well, now it's over a year.
• 13:30
  And, you know, she plays it down again. She says, well, there's there's, you know, thousands of pages of documents to go through. We had to, you know, be sensitive to privacy matters to the victims and their families, you know, and it the reality is no justice will come from it. You know? I mean, the fact that major banking institutions like JPMorgan have paid out tens of millions of dollars already to to these victims' families, and we can't know what happened, who was involved, or even the or even the victims because of massive NDAs they put in place for a massive payoff.
• 13:58
  Know? I mean, it's just like I was talking to a lawyer just yesterday. The fact that Hillary Clinton is coming with her husband, to congress to testify, you know, people are like, oh, well, we're gonna get some justice here. No, we're not. It's gonna be closed doors, closed door hearings, and she and her lawyer demanded that she does not have to swear, an oath to to tell the truth.
• 14:17
  So it's like, what's what's the point of her even coming to Congress then? It's just gonna be more of the same old kangaroo kangaroo court nonsense where the politicians will know exactly what's happening, but the people will get absolutely nothing. It's it's it's gonna be a giant blame shifting.
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: But it's like it's like, where do we go from here? Because if you look at this system and let let's just use use use the midterms as an example. And I remember thinking, you know, heading into twenty twenty four election and into 2025, the thinking was, okay. Well, you know, if Trump has this land side, he, you know, he basically controls congress, you know, that we're we're kinda stacked. Right?
• 14:57
  We've got the FBI kind of, you know, this big shuffling of all these different key positions. Right? You know, earlier on, there was, you know, people like Joel Salatin that was gonna be advising the USDA. And, you know, before Pam Bondi was Matt Gaetz, who's, you know, pretty much a firebrand. He lives up to his, the name of his show.
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: And he does.
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: And but if you look at where things are at right now, I mean, yes, there has there have been some positive things that have happened, of course. Right? I think some of the, you know, kind of changes to the military and and kind of pushing out a lot of the DEI narratives and all that kind stuff. Okay. Those are positive things, but, you know, it still feels like we're in the same game of just two wings of the same bird.
• 15:44
  And it's like, okay, four years or eight years of your guy, eight years of our guy, eight years of your guy. And every single time you're thinking, okay. Well, once our party gets back in, we're gonna fix everything. And there was this belief that that Trump was this outsider, and he was bringing people in like Kash Patel. Right?
• 16:01
  He was openly talking about the deep state and wearing his Skull Punisher shirt and Dan Bongino, who wrote the book on Spygate. And there's this belief that this organization was not within the system, and they're gonna come in and really clean house. I'm not seeing that, and I think that a lot of Americans are feeling the same, which is why think a lot of people are, I think, more than probably ever before, people feel politically homeless, especially a lot of the younger generation that finally got involved in politics, got inspired by Charlie Kirk, got inspired by a lot of the conservative values that that generation, it's not like they've all become liberals, they've all just said, Screw it. Like, this is a joke. Alright?
• 16:45
  So, I mean, that's like, where where do we even where do we even go from here?
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: Well, and and that's why, you know, I launched the Substack, you know, at PMG one hundred because I I think people are starving for critical thinking. They're tired of being talked down to by, you know, talking heads on CNN or Fox News, you know, talking at you, telling you how to telling you how to think and feel. People want to embrace critical thinking, know? And I think, honestly, that's that's that's the best thing we can do is, you know, our founding fathers demanded that we are a moral and religious people who embrace critical thinking. You know?
• 17:19
  When Alexis de Tocqueville, you know, a famous writer, famous philosopher, came from Paris, France, and he studied America, you know, right after upbounding. You know, he was impressed. He was labbergasted at how intelligent America was from rural farmlands to major urban cities in Boston. He was impressed because we all understood biblical principles and morality. And it wasn't a judgmental nation, you know, where one voice spoke to all the regions and the states, You know?
• 17:50
  And I think we've we've honestly lost that because people have gotten too comfortable. You know? We we we you know, on left, you know, the Democrats, they they they they coalesce, you know, coalesce or really around whatever the Democratic party says, you do it in a very communist like fashion. And I know that's a little strong, but when they purposefully removed their sitting president, you know, Joe Biden because he was plummeting and polling, and they had no election, and they just put Kamala Harris in there as their person. I mean, people were very angry about that.
• 18:20
  But on the right, it's the same thing with Mega. You know, whatever Trump says, his people just blindly believe it. And, you know, I I mean, I I voted for him, you know, because of the other very reason that you mentioned. You know, he was an outsider. And and there are massive differences between his first term and his second term.
• 18:34
  You know, in his first term, nobody thought he'd get elected. And and I and I I don't even think he I I think he probably even had serious doubts. The Republican Party was not ready for him. That's why they they surrounded him with the worst awful rhinos in the world. I mean, when you have Reince Priebus and you have I mean, oh my goodness, Pompeo.
• 18:54
  I mean, you can't and, you know, General Kelly, you can't find any more Mitch McConnell Bush era rhinos to to stymie and ruin an individual. But I will say he has learned. I I would say his cabinet now is dreamly outsider based, which is good. And and I think he, you know, his first year was very focused on on on foreign policy, and I think he's done a lot of good things. But honestly, he only has one big bill passed, the big beautiful bill.
• 19:19
  And and there were some good components in there, but legislatively, domestically, they're behind. And and people are not happy. They want accountability, and they're demanding it now. And and again, heads need to roll. People need to be arrested.
• 19:31
  I mean, look at look at what happened in Minnesota with with Tim Waltz, you know. I mean, and I know we're bouncing around a little bit, but all these all these matters, you know, Tim Waltz knowingly got exposed for over $9,000,000,000 in fraud. And there was some backroom deal, and they just said, Tim, we're gonna make you retire. And you're and and that's gonna be your fate. No no arrest.
• 19:53
  No grand hearings. We're just gonna leave quietly. Kind of like what they did with, with Aleph Franken in that video when that when that picture came out of him, you know, grabbing the s SNL, costars, you know, breasts, you know, and some joking, you know, picture. The party removed, and they said, you're done in politics. You know?
• 20:09
  That's not good enough for the American people. You know? If we did something like that, on the scale of Tim Walts, we'd be arrested.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: Unless you're a Somali immigrant and you're,
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: you know Exactly.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: Running six daycares out of a garage. But, you know, something that you, you know, you mentioned, getting into the founding fathers. I know that you've also got a lot of that kind of some of your earlier articles that I really appreciate on your substack getting into, know, kind of like what what this country was built on. Right? Because, you know, that's where I think that we have to be looking at right now is what is this country, what was this country, and what happened to this country?
• 20:50
  Because you mentioned, you know, that the the constitution, it was really in in the the whole the constitutional republic, it was really established for a moral and just people. And they even say in in various ways that this system that they've established with the constitution and the checks and balances will not be adequate for an immoral nation. Like, those rules will no longer save us from tyranny. And so, again, if you even take a basic glance at some of the big things coming out in the Epstein files, if there's one thing that becomes apparent, it's that there is a lot of evil in this world that is concentrated in the positions of power. And that evil is very, very concentrated in our own government, our own institutions, media companies, big tech, down to the White House.
• 21:49
  It's there. And it's not as evil that okay. Maybe they're they're taking some bribes on the side. It's like, no. This is this is evil stuff that's coming out.
• 21:59
  Right? Like, this is Baal worship type stuff, you know, sacrificing children type stuff. I mean, it's serious. Right? As much as a lot of the conspiracy theorists were saying, oh, we're ruled by satanic pedophiles, it's kind of hard to deny it now.
• 22:13
  Right? And so Oh, yeah. I mean, if you look at our nation and look at where it's come from, say, the nineteen fifties, and this is something I've been really thinking a lot about. It's like, know, to me, you know, obviously, I wasn't alive in the fifties, but I look back and I I think that, you know, nineteen fifties in a lot of ways represent the golden age of America. Right?
• 22:35
  Post World War two, excitement coming together, land of opportunity. But I think most importantly, though, there was a shared moral fabric of this country that kept people together, kept us united. And, obviously, we saw in the sixties, we had a lot of communist movements coming in. We had I mean, you know, there's a whole that's a whole kind of can of worms getting into the social engineering that came out of the sixties and the seventies. And, you know, this this cultural Marxism has really eaten away at this country, and we're now a country where, you know, I think it was, gosh, one of the top issues for females voting in the election was whether or not they could still kill their own babies.
• 23:17
  Right? It was like one of the driving issues of was women's reproductive health, which has been, of course, I know in your sub tech, you cover Margaret Sanger and her origins. And so, like, looking at our country and the people that are in it like you and I and and the Man in America audience that feel very concerned about how immoral we've become and very concerned about where the country is headed. We can fix our own selves, but the moral fabric of this nation has been completely dismantled. And I don't see a way for us to really fix this.
• 23:59
  I mean, I'm I'm trying to figure out what it means to fix it, but it's like it it's it's so far rotted out from the core. Mhmm. Wait. Wait. What what do you what do you think about this?
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, first off, yeah. I mean, you touched on so many great points about, you know, the the evils that we've allowed in our country, and I don't think it happened all at once. You know, it was a gradual gradual steps that we that we chose to overlook. And again, you know, I I think people I think, you know, I I don't think our country is, you know, lost. I don't think that's don't think that's don't think we're there yet.
• 24:32
  We're pretty close. But honestly, I think, you know, it starts with just with our families at home. You know, what you allow, you know, what you and your spouse allow and how you raise your children, you know, who you let them hang out with, you know, the the the communities that you expose them to, how you teach them. You know, so many times, you know, people don't they get so comfortable with not asking the right questions.
• 24:59
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• 26:48
  Speaker 2: That we completely lose our self. You know, we we we you know, if if if, you know, a priest or a pastor offends us, we're just done with church completely when we when we never go back. You know, if one political candidate lies to us, oh, we're we're done. We're just done forever. You know?
• 27:01
  And I don't think that's the attitude we should really be embracing. I think we should be demanding better of ourselves, you know, better, you know, of our communities and and better of our of who we choose to elect. But we can but we can be more you know, we can scrutinize more. You know? And and what I mean by that is, you know, as a society, we've allowed situationism to just dominate us.
• 27:20
  You know, the lesser of two evils argument is completely ridiculous. Like, well, yeah, Democrats are bad, but, you know, Republicans, you know, they're they're okay. You know? I mean, I I I can't tell you how many times I've heard that, well, Democrats are just socialist and communists, but Republicans are just cowards. You know?
• 27:35
  And at least they at least they vote right on one or two things. That's the wrong mindset to have. We shouldn't have we should be cut and clear in what we believe, what we support, and only support candidates who actually believe in all of those universally. Not just a I mean, the the idea that we have single single voter, you know, issues is is completely ludicrous. You're telling me you're gonna vote for one politician because they agree with you on on pro life or abortion issues, but everything else you're gonna completely completely forget about.
• 28:02
  And they did that on purpose. They did that on purpose. I mean, you know, what was one of the biggest lies ever perpetuated on American people was when, you know, Roe v Wade was overturned. And there was no constitutional basis for that whatsoever. And the left would say, oh, they he's removed the right for women to choose.
• 28:18
  But no. They brought it back to the states to to decide for themselves. So if anything, they they constitutionally let the states decide that there should be no federal nowhere in the constitution, nowhere to embrace you literally choosing to kill your child. You know? So it's just it's it's it's allow it's it's really fighting back of what against what we're told.
• 28:39
  You know, I cannot tell you how many college kids I've had arguments with, you know, on politics where they're literally regurgitating whatever CNN told them, literally verbatim. And it's it's there there's absolutely no critical thinking. And I and I urge all parents to demand better of your children and really teach them, you know, strong fundamental morals, you know, from a bible believing nation, but also teaching them, you know, how to look past the facade of of lies. I mean, I I mean, one of the many reasons I got out of politics after a decade was because so many Republicans were lying to me saying, oh, I'm a pro life. I have an I have an a plus pro life, you know, from these local state organizations.
• 29:14
  Yet they but yet they voted for the budget bill every year, which had funding for Planned Parenthood in it. You know? It's just I I can't the hypocrisy was almost too much to handle. I think people are tired of it. I think they're exhausted from being talked down to.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: Well, and so I'm glad that you mentioned the church because when I'm thinking about how the country goes from, you know, even what it was in the '50s to what it is right now, it's like whose responsibility is it to maintain the morality of a nation? Obviously, think that you could say, Well, it starts in your own home. It's the responsibility of the father, right, in setting the tone. It's, you know, the mother and how the children are raised, the school and the values the schools are teaching. And we see that the schools have been taken over and whatnot.
• 30:03
  But, You know, America You could say at one point that America was a very Christian country, right? And that it was, really built on those Christian values. And we've seen though over time, right, the separation of church and states, the, you know, you know, all these, you know, the nonprofit status for churches and all these different things that they've been completely neutered. And the way I look at it is, you know, I'm not a big fan of, say, religion per se, right, because it's it's, it can be used in very bad ways as it has throughout history. But I'd also believe that a core tenet of just believing in God is believing that there are a pretty universal set of values of right and wrong, you know, almost 10 commandments, you might say.
• 30:56
  Right? And so, I mean, how is it, like, how is it that churches across this nation have, in many ways, just sat idly and watched this moral decay happen? Obviously, some of them have even been very participatory in the moral decay and pushing these agendas. So what I mean, like, what blame do you place on the church for where things are at in this country that we've allowed ourselves to get to a place where we're ruled by potentially satanic pedophiles, to put it bluntly. Right?
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I mean, there's a study that came out, you know, that showcases I think there's one church for every 400 people in America, you know, and and those are, you know, in the beginning, those are great, great odds, great numbers, you know. And it started, in my opinion, back in the forties and fifties, you know. The the the church allowed itself to be muzzled. You know?
• 31:55
  Lyndon B. Johnson was a horrible, terrible, awful racist president. You know? His own audio tapes prove that. I mean, he was a horribly disgusting president.
• 32:05
  And and ironically, democrats don't wanna talk about him or Woodrow Wilson. But, but what's funny though is he got his law passed, and he forced churches to be, to, you know, to sign with the IRS for this tax exempt status, which ironically before that, they were already tax exempt. So it was a completely a complete redundancy. It was it was it was a it was a legal tool to threaten them to lose something that they already had. And so that was the first step.
• 32:32
  You know, the churches didn't do the research. They did not think, oh, from a legal perspective, how we protect ourselves. They just blindly obeyed. And I think that was one of the first catalysts of when the church and the pastor said, we have backed into a corner and they said, don't hurt me. And then, you know, over the sixties and seventies and eighties, pastors, if you notice, historically, pastors stopped talking about the issues of divorce.
• 32:55
  They stopped talking about, abortion. They stopped talking about, you know, homosexuality. They stopped talking they they stopped asking and talking about the hard questions. You know? I mean, they they they just replaced because a church is important.
• 33:09
  You know, if you're gonna be a bible believing Christian in this country, you know, people have to understand that a church is important. You know, especially during COVID, there's a massive rise and, oh, I don't need to be a good I don't need to go to church to be a good Christian. Well, that first off, that's antithetical to what Jesus literally taught. That's the same logic of saying, well, I don't need to be at home to be a good husband. You know, if you want to go through the sanctification process, you need to submit to a pastor and those who are better alerted than you in the Bible to become stronger in your faith, then, yeah, you do need to be surrounded by a community where you can literally grow in the name of Jesus if that's your prerogative of being a Christian.
• 33:43
  But so many people, when the pastors stop asking the the hard questions, fathers in particularly stopped stopped enforcing the hard questions, you know, and I think that's where the moral decay came from. We started being okay with, oh, it's okay. Casual sex is fine. That's okay. If you get pregnant, no big deal.
• 33:59
  Just have an abortion. It's okay. That's fine. You know, all that stopped. And now we're just so okay with being lied to.
• 34:07
  We're so okay with moral depravity. It it's it's really it's had it's had a horrendous impact on our nation. You know? Mhmm. And and even and even the term church and state is laughable.
• 34:20
  This is a shining example of why I created, you know, PMG is because this is a people have no idea what what separation of church and state actually means. People have this this this this this ill conceived notion of what they what what what they are regurgitating of lie that they've heard. Most people would say, if you asked 50,000 people in America, is church separation of and state actually mean? It means you keep church and politics separate. That's not what it means.
• 34:46
  That the founding fathers would never have agreed with that. What it meant was when our when our when our nation was founded, when the pilgrims came here, they were literally, fleeing religious institutions and government institutions, polluting against the people. At the time of our founding as a nation, King James in England had a had a decree. He told the clergy in his nation what they would exactly preach on to the masses. It was illegal, almost widespread in Europe at that time to for an individual to own a bible.
• 35:14
  It was almost widespread illegal. The Netherlands allowed it to a certain extent. What people came here for was a was a true separation of church and state where the individuals and the states couldn't couldn't could implement a state religion if they so chose. Like Georgia was a Baptist state. Pennsylvania was a Quaker state, but it was illegal.
• 35:32
  And and and pastors of the churches could be involved in government, federally or state. They absolutely could. And Jesus commands us in the great commission. But the federal government has zero authority, zero over the church. They cannot pass any laws whatsoever.
• 35:45
  And that's why the COVID era was so was so tumultuous for so many people because the government both both Republicans, Democrats, both of them completely forgot their constitutional oaths and they abused the church. They abused, Christian. They abused the individual citizens and they went after they went after all of them hard And they put they tried locking churches down. They tried locking schools down, and they succeeded in numerous ways. But the government had no authority to do so.
• 36:08
  They had none.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: Yep. Here we are where the government's back to, you know, as we saw, shutting churches down for not masking or any of the you know, having, you know, jab requirements. You know, I have I have family that are conservative and and really see things, I think, very straight. And they got injured through, following the advice of their pastor saying, Hey, you better you better take this thing. It's gonna protect you.
• 36:36
  It's good for you. It's save you from grandma. And if if you're a good Christian citizen, you know, you should do this do this to keep your country safe. And so, you know, and and I I might push back a little bit, which not like I'm not really kind of opposing because but, you know, you mentioned kind of people, you know, finding a church and finding a pastor. And it's like, well, I mean, isn't a church just people that could be in your home?
• 36:59
  Right? It could be just you and, you know, five of your close family friends that come together and study together and kind of share. Because I think that when there's this mentality that you need to go through a gatekeeper, right, or have someone who's really studied, you know, how he's he's you know, he got a degree in theology to help interpret these things and interpret the Bible. I feel like that's kind of been the same recipe where things have gone awry over and over throughout history, where, as you mentioned, it was so extreme before that most people couldn't even read. They couldn't read Latin, and so they had to go to the church to have the Bible interpreted for them.
• 37:36
  Right? And so, you know, think it's good to have a strong community. If you have a good pastor, great. But I think there's a lot of a lot of churches and a lot of pastors that have absolutely been compromised. I mean, I know that, you know, Trevor Loudon's a mutual friend of both of us, and he's covered that extensively, how much the the global communist movement has infiltrated the church system.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: So yeah. Anyway, yeah. What what do you what do you think on that?
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: No. I mean, that's yeah. I mean, there there's absolutely no doubt, absolutely no doubt that thousands of churches across the country have been completely compromised by woke ideology. They've completely, you know, thrown out the the the gospel, Jesus' teachings, the bible. They've completely thrown all of that out, you know, because they want attendance, because they want to be culturally appropriate, you know.
• 38:20
  But I still believe there there are good churches out there that, you know, are bible believing that, you know, lead the community, lead the family, lead the father the way they're supposed to be for the for the betterment of their children, really. But but, you know, I mean, I I you know, yes. You know, Jesus did say absolutely where two or three are are, you know, worshiping in my name, I am there also. But, you know, he also wanted us to, again, go to a place for community where we can learn together. And it's it's not that we can't learn together, but there are times, numerous times in the bible where parables are lost on us.
• 38:49
  We don't understand the meaning behind them. And we need to we need we need the the extra encouragement and the extra, you know, learning from someone who actually has the background, who actually has maybe the degrees in there to really, you know, help us understand. Because there's so many there's so many points of it really where people have, like, I don't I don't understand this. I don't I don't get You know? Like, I mean, if I if, you know, like, as an example, you know, if I'm sitting here asking you, what what what how are the 10 commandments structured?
• 39:11
  You know, most people wouldn't be able to tell me. And I'd be like, well, the first four are about our direct relationship to God, and the last six are about our relationship with with with our neighbors, with our community. You know, it's just like that level of of ecclesiology, that level of theology, really, you you need that extra level of of of encouragement at at a local body under the right, strong pastor, under the right church who understands, you know, hey, abortion is not okay. You know, hey, you know, we we take marriage very seriously here. Hey, you know, we take childbearing very seriously here.
• 39:42
  You know? And and again, I I understand certain parts of the country, it's very hard to find that. And if you can't, then then I completely, you know, urge the the finding of community where you can where you can find it. But but, yeah, like I said, it's, you know, Jesus demanded us. You know, he wanted us to be in a in a in a collection at a church, you know, even, you know, another example, even if I tell you, you know, what is the real purpose of marriage?
• 40:07
  This is another example of our analytical thinking process that we've that are just lost. If I asked you what's the real real definition of marriage, people would say, oh, well, I love my my spouse or, you know, oh, well, I got pregnant and now we're getting married.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: I thought it was really about just getting a full time cook. That was why I signed up for it.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah. Yeah. Someone say that.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: That's a joke. Tongue in cheek. I'm a good husband. I do a lot of cooking. I change diapers.
• 40:31
  Don't worry.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: But, yeah, but, but people but most people forget, you know, Jesus literally said, you know, marriage is is to be a reflection of his love for the church. You know, his the church was literally his bridegroom, you know, and and and, you know, husbands are to reflect Jesus' commitment and love and sacrificial love the church, and the church was was meant to submit to to his to his authority and teaching.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: And so if we've established again, going back to the founding fathers. Right? If we established that I forget the exact quote, like I could look it up, but I don't want to take them into it right now. But what's basically saying that, you know, this constitution is for immoral and just people, right? And that without that morality, there's nothing to save them from the chains of tyranny.
• 41:16
  Right? And I think that the to me, that is at the the heart of everything that we're dealing with right now, is that simple thing, is that even if you look at it I'm not gonna pretend to look at things through, you know, God's eyes, but you look at it through historical context. What happened to Sodom and Gomorrah? What happened when nations have fell? It's like, does our nation deserve divine providence, or does it have the divine providence?
• 41:45
  Does it deserve protection? Is it a nation? It's like a lot people are, so they're praying for the nation, but it's like, well, is our nation Do we deserve to be preserved as a nation, or has our nation become so corrupted and on a global level, this government and its arms, its tentacles have put so much immoral information out there? Like, look at how much Hollywood influences trends globally, right?
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: It makes you really reflect on that as like, that's the crux of the matter. And so, if the people that form this nation set forth this basic principle of, you must be a moral nation, otherwise everything that we're working in this constitution and bill of rights will not protect you from tyranny. Yet here we are, right, an immoral nation that is struggling with tyranny, right, and and tyranny from, like, very evil people, which we've now discovered, it seems to me the only way that we can reverse this is for our nation to become moral again. Like, you can't vote morality into office. Right?
• 42:54
  You can't. That's not gonna work. And so how do we like, when you can't even agree on the on gender with a portion of the nation it doesn't matter what side you're on, it's just that's a core difference in a fundamental thing about understanding how the world works. Right? But if we can't agree on those things, how can we possibly get back to a place where our nation has shared moral values again?
• 43:28
  Because if we can't do that, where do we go from here?
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: Again, that's a fantastic question. One I thought about numerous times. I mean, again, I think it starts with with all of us individually asking the right questions. You know? I mean, I mean, my brother and I talk to this all the time.
• 43:44
  You know, just turn off your TV. You know, start reading books again. Start start thinking for yourself critically again. Start asking the right questions. You know?
• 43:52
  That's That's not I mean, that's always our first step. That's the whole reason why we created PMG is for someone to please start asking them the right questions. But, you know, but back to your earlier comment, though, about Sodom and Gomorrah or, you know, or even and I'll give you some other examples. You know, I believed at a certain point, you know, our nation was a strong Christian nation. And I think we still have pockets where people are doing quite well and doing it the right way.
• 44:14
  It'll never be never ever be, promoted by the media ever. But, you know, when, you know, when God was on that on that hill with Abraham, you know, and they were talking about Sodom and Gomorrah, and and and Abraham was debating with him, arguing with him, spare the city. There's just 1,000 righteous men in there. Please save the city. There's just 100 righteous men.
• 44:33
  Please hit the city. And it got all the down to one. If there's just one righteous man, just please hit the city. And I've often thought to myself, what if what if that's America? You know, what if we're slowly losing our our righteousness, our our our ability to because you know, you're right.
• 44:46
  I mean, the fact that we're arguing, you know, because, and it comes down to the definition of, you know, truth. You know, the left would say truth doesn't doesn't matter, doesn't exist. Truth is, is completely subjective. It's completely subjective off of what I feel and what I think and, you know, I have my own truths. No.
• 45:05
  Somebody's, you know, put put on their big boy pants again and say, no. Truth is objective. You know, you can you can have debates about things, but there are certain things that are just they never change. And one of them is, as an example, gender. You know, only one gender can have children.
• 45:20
  And the fact that we're having this debates even today saying men can get pregnant, that that's a massive, massive lie that they're getting away with. And to force our entire medical establishment to embrace those lies is leading to so many problems. But they're doing it on purpose because they want to create more division. But but I think we're not quite at the Sodom and Gomorrah moment. You know, there was there was a beautiful passage I I read, you know, years ago.
• 45:51
  In 1453, when the Ottoman Empire was besieging the walls of of of Constantinople, nowadays modern day Istanbul, there there have been numerous writings about this. The level of arrogance in the city of Constantinople, the last Byzantine, you know, Eastern Roman Empire, the last real fall, the church leaders, when the city was being besieged, and there's, you know, there's cannon fire, there's musket fire, people are dying. Where was the church leaders at? Where was the the academic elites at? They were sitting in their cathedral, debating what color eyes Jesus really had.
• 46:31
  And I think that's where America's at. Is that we're asking we're we're we're we're sitting in our arrogance, asking the wrong questions, while our children are being wrongfully taught, while we're being lied to. And if I push someone on the truth, they may agree with you. And even that's the saddest part too. Even people who agree with you, they still don't want the confrontation.
• 46:52
  People in America are famously, famously introverted where they don't want to be bothered. They don't like loud noises. They don't like someone confronting them. And even in a respectful manner, they can't handle it. And I think that's honestly where we start.
• 47:09
  We have to change how we think, or just go back to the basics and just say, you know what, you're right. I've been, you know, and we're all guilty of it. You know, I've been a coward. I've let things slip, but no more. And I think it starts again with the family, with the church, with the community, and with our politicians, and sitting down asking the hard questions.
• 47:26
  You know, I'll never forget Ron DeSantis, he came to our church, you know, and he's a strong Catholic, and he came to our evangelical church. I didn't pull any punches. I got up and I asked him about his donor base. And I said, why do your donor base have such strong ties to the Bush family in Texas? You know, who who who, you know, wanted you to run for president?
• 47:47
  And and he got very cagey, and he did not want to answer ask those questions, answer those questions in public. I think that's and again, I'm not saying do it in a disrespectful manner, but that was a shining example where people don't want to ask don't want to answer the tough questions.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: And so is that what you're part of what you're referring to is one of your articles on, your PMG Sub SAC, Faith Why Comfort Christianity Collapses Under Pressure, right? Yeah. Where he says, In an age of curated feeds, feel good sermons, and megachurches promising your best life now, a sanitized version of Christianity has taken root, one that airbrushes the cross, downplays suffering, and markets faith as a path to uninterrupted comfort, health, and wealth. This is Comfort Christianity, a polished consumer friendly gospel that avoids the raw edges of scripture. Attractive in times of ease, but it crumbles when life applies pressure.
• 48:42
  And I love that that last sentence there. It's attractive in times of ease. It's kinda like communism. Right? It's attractive when things are are not that bad.
• 48:50
  Right? For your average kid going to school and, hey, down with the patriarchy. Right? It's like, well, you see, you're gonna need that, you know, that same strong kind of redneck in your class you're accusing of being a racist, homophobic, you know, bigot. Like, that guy is a guy that can actually protect you when an enemy is knocking at your door.
• 49:09
  So why don't you just expand on this a little more, actually, and on what you're what you're really kinda hitting on here with this particular article?
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, again, you know, faith without sanitize sanitization. I mean, I worked I actually, I worked closely with Trevor Loudon about that. I get a wonderful documentary that came out years ago, showcasing, again, you know, a slew of of of churches and pastors that were really, you know, not even not even being bombarded by by leftism or wokeism or socialism, but just a full embrace of it, you know. And, you know, one of the one of the major focal points was, you know, the Southern Baptist Convention.
• 49:50
  You know, they were taking money from foreign interest groups, from, BlackRock, from numerous from numerous numerous hedge funds. And what was happening was because and and what's funny is, you know, for people to understand the SBC, you know, they used to be one of the strongest lobbying arms, you know, of the right in congress, you know, for for Christian conservatism. But they've been so strong armed by woke ideology, and they created they created this this this this this, subsidiary group called the North American Mission Board where they it's like it's like a tentacle to use your to use your previous analogy. Mhmm. Where they will help churches, predominantly acts 29 plant churches, where they will help churches, financially.
• 50:33
  But with that money comes strict strings of what they will not talk about, and how they will, and how they will preach, and how, and literally, some of them actually, some pastors have actually gotten caught verbatim reciting the same sermons over and over again. And so it's it's it's it was it's been exposed so heavily in in a in a documentary called, you know, enemies within the church. It was a fantastic film documentary. But North American North American mission board has been exposed so heavily. And I believe, like, I don't like, the last three presidents of SBC have all have all had to leave because of scandals.
• 51:09
  And I think the current one, was a oh my goodness. He was a oh, yeah. He's a a famous Texas Democrat. And now he's the leader of the SBC. I'm like, oh, wait.
• 51:19
  Wait. Wait a minute. This this doesn't sound right. So it's it's it's the fact that they purposely put conflating figures in in organizations that used to be completely completely, you know, unanimous in their beliefs and mindsets. You know.
• 51:32
  But it's just, again, that's a shining example where the SBC has knowingly let in people that do not align with them at all religiously, politically, and they wonder why they have problems, you know. And I think that's coming down to the more and more churches. A big scandal three years ago that when when they all got exposed, but we're seeing overall, and again, know we I know we covered a lot of things to hear today, Seth, but it's so important people understand the the the glaring hypocrisy in in in church institutions, the political institutions, and power structures. But I believe what's happening across this country is I think people are becoming more decentralized. It used to be we would, you know, fight for a community.
• 52:13
  We fight for our statehood. You know, we would fight for our rights. Now it's we're getting so decentralized to the point where even churches, you know, they're they're not affiliated with with massive state groups or nationally recognized groups. What's happening is the evangelical movement is growing in America because it's a singular church by itself, minding its own business that has no strings to anybody else. And and I think it's actually a blessing in disguise.
• 52:36
  And it's the same thing in media too. You know, mainstream media has gotten caught so many lies from Jussie Smollett lies to COVID lies. You know, it's no wonder people like you and, you know, Dan Bongino and Joe Rogan are so popular because we've even decentralized our media. You know, people are like, you know, no more CNN, no more Fox News. I can't handle it.
• 52:54
  I want authenticity. I want reality. And people want people are craving this face to face interaction. You know, they they want they want, again, the real questions to be asked. You know?
• 53:05
  And and I think, honestly, that's that's a big catalyst in a positive way, you know, to address your your previous questions.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And I think that what it comes down to, you you mentioned, decentralization. And what I think it's why there's been such a push for the technocratic control, because the technocracy allows control even of a single individual. But that's even limited. But I think that that's it's a good point, the decentralization, because I think that that's ultimately what we need to have happen, is that it's like, is the ultimate decentralization of morality?
• 53:43
  Right? It means I have my own worldview. I have my own principles of what is right and wrong, and I'm gonna filter everything through that. I'm not gonna allow a pastor to tell me what's right or wrong. I'm not gonna allow the media to tell me or a politician to tell me.
• 54:00
  Think and that's what we need to see more of. Think that we are seeing more and more of it happening where people are just they're kind of opting out In a good way, though. Right? You're seeing more people moving into homesteading, into homeschooling their children, into, you know, building family compounds, you know, doing all kinds of things to and to exit the system. And Yeah.
• 54:23
  I I think that's ultimately what we need to have happen is because this any system, as Epstein is is is such a prime example for it, you know, systems can be compromised. Right? You can control a thousand workers in a labor union by by compromising the single person in charge of that particular labor labor union. Right? You can control the spiritual views of 10,000 church members by compromising a single pastor.
• 54:51
  Right?
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: And that's the problem is, you know, I agree with you. Yeah. Okay. So having a pastor that can help share his interpretation of certain things, it's great. It's the same thing as, you know, say, sitting down with your friend or family and say, hey, what'd you pull out of this section right here?
• 55:04
  Which is helpful. But I think that it's about people actually becoming strong on their own again, developing their own moral compass, measuring things against that, trusting their own gut, trusting their own intuition, trusting their own relationship with God, right? And saying, you know, whether you're looking at a politician and listening to him or listening to a pastor, always asking, Do I agree with this? Right? Is this what feels right to me in my own intuition?
• 55:33
  And I do think that that gives me hope because we talked about Sodom and Gomorrah, and, you know, I think there's a lot of good people in America, actually. Think America by and large is a lot of really, really good people. Absolutely. But they've been so heavily targeted with psychological operations and propaganda that their goodness has been hidden and covered up and distracted. But I also think that as more of this information comes out and people become more aware of these power structures, they're gonna naturally stop trusting the institutions and the governments and the politicians and the media even more than they do right now, which is which is already at, like, a record low.
• 56:15
  And that's where we have to get to.
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: Well, and and it's honestly just understanding reality. I mean, because you can I mean, you can understand reality and how things are going to happen? You can also, you know, ask tough questions, you know, and and I kind of put it into two different buckets, like with the Epstein stuff. You know, I I firm I fervently believe we're never gonna have justice with the the Epstein files. We're never you know?
• 56:33
  And and I and, you know, it's understanding how the political game is played. You know? And, you know, of which president is in the White House, I I I never believe we're gonna get any justice for the Epstein files. And and the reason behind it is is literally because we all know on that list, probably a third of Hollywood is on that list, you know, and there's some and there have been some names leaked online, you know, some pretty big powerful people on in Hollywood. You know, there's also half the media, you know, and and honestly, there's probably a third of congress on that list.
• 57:02
  I mean, people don't understand, you know, what would happen tomorrow if president Trump said gloves are off. We're going after everybody. There'd probably be, at a minimum, at least a thousand people that would be arrested and arraigned, and then we'd be bogged down to probably about fifteen to twenty years of endless hearings. And some would probably go to prison. Some would probably get a stop on their wrist and pay a fine.
• 57:30
  Some probably get exonerated. But I don't think the politicians want to have the next fifteen to twenty years of politics dominated by endless, you know, judicial hearings. I don't think they want to have I don't I don't think they want to answer for those things. And I think that's the biggest reason why we'll why we'll never know truly what happened. We won't know the victims.
• 57:52
  We won't know who was all there. And because both parties and too many major institutions I mean, you you literally have the the members of the British royal family on that list, you know, and I think I think one of them are really gonna get hit, you know, get thrown over the bus. It's it's just a matter of time. But but it's understanding that reality of the political, unfortunate and I'm not and I'm not justifying it. I'm just saying, sit back and ask yourselves what this would look like if everything we wanted happened.
• 58:24
  It would be fifteen to twenty years of of endless, endless I mean, you thought you thought the LJ Simpson trial was long and annoying for what a year or two? It'd be it'd be 10 times that. And it'd be vicious. And there'd be hundreds of millions, billions spent. And it'd be I mean, it it would be disastrous, you know, for so many people righteously because of what they did.
• 58:45
  But then you look at the secondary part, you know, with with how the media would react. And I don't even think the media would know how to react. They wouldn't even know who to cover for. They don't even know who to protect. Do we protect Hollywood?
• 58:56
  Do we protect the Democrat politicians? Do we go after the Republican politicians? Like, how would this even like it create an impossibility of not knowing what they would even want to do. You know, it's like the fabrication of these ice raids in Minnesota. You know, so you're telling me that Minnesota is 2.2% of all deportations across the country, and they've had all these horrible things happening.
• 59:18
  But yet one in four deportations is in Texas, and they have zero problems going on. You know? You know, again, where's the outrage for Lincoln Riley? You know, where's the outrage for the poor Ukrainian girl who was killed in North Carolina? You know, it's just you you cannot mean, and and and, like, even that, it just I I laugh so much over over over the the insanity.
• 59:39
  It's like, what are you guys exactly protesting? Criminal illegal immigrants who over 70% are repeat criminal offenders, but yet no rage, no outrage, no justice from the citizens who have been killed? Okay. It's just, again, so it's not just the reality of the complex what you're asking, but it's also recognizing the complete fabrication of that that we're okay with as a society. But call it what it is.
• 1:00:04
  It's not news. It's entertainment.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's for sure. Well, I think that really is kind of gets gets, you know, to the core of the issue is that we have to be able to have honest conversations again. Yes. And that's a big part of it. Know, you mentioned the politeness of the Americans.
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  It's funny because my wife, Kate, is Australian. And that's one thing I appreciate about her is that, as you know, because you know her well, she's not worried about offending you. Right? If if you screw up, she'll say, hey, you screwed that up. Like, that sucks.
• 1:00:36
  Right? But I appreciate it because, you know, like, I think coddling us is what gets us in this place where you think, you know, you don't see the real problems. And Yeah. Obviously, Australia has a lot of its own issues. But by and large, the Australians that I know, they're blunt, and and they will call you out on something.
• 1:00:54
  They'll pull you up on something. And that's important. So that's also, again, why why I appreciate having these conversations, but I also why I think what you're doing with PMG is really important is because if I were to look at this and see what is the theme of this, right, the theme of your of your sub stack and your post and the content on there, it's that you're having the real conversation that people need to be having. And but you're not doing it in a divisive way where you're pitting left against right. I mean, you're just like you said, honest questions for people who are tired of being managed, and that's really, really important.
• 1:01:30
  I also think it's really important because I think that's why a lot of people tune into my show is because they feel like, Gosh, finally someone's saying something that is exactly what I'm thinking. And because people are very isolated, right? That's other thing. A lot of people are very alone. They can't have these kinds of conversations.
• 1:01:51
  Maybe they've got, you know, the one couple in their church they talk to, or there's that one uncle that they can talk to. For a lot of people, by design, they can't talk about a lot of these things. So there's even a lot of, think, value in that and just thinking, gosh, finally someone that is just speaking honestly about things that's not controlled, not bought and so, anyway, I'll make sure that your Substack is in the description. And I really encourage people to check it out, subscribe to it and support what you're doing because we need to have more of these honest conversations. And I think that anyone who's willing to have these conversations really deserves to have the right kind of attention.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely. And and again, it just again, as a society, we need to start asking the right questions that we're not. You know, if you were not if if and people need to ask themselves for their own benefit too. You know, if you were not outraged and angry over Lake and Riley being murdered, if you were not outraged over the thousands of Americans who were killed by illegal immigrants every single year, but yet you were selectively outraged over Alex Prudhee because the media told you to be outraged, like, then you're part of the problem.
• 1:03:13
  You know? And I'm not saying you're a bad person, but you need to start thinking about things. You start asking yourself better questions. You know? Because this this even even in there, I I have an article about selective outrage is not justice.
• 1:03:23
  You know? You can you can absolutely be upset about an injustice happening. If you're not equally outraged over all the injustices, then then then you're being you're you're a part of the problem. You know? Martin Luther King Junior, you know, was a 100% right.
• 1:03:36
  You know? Any injustice anywhere is an injustice to all of us. You know? And it's something we need to, you know, seriously think about. But but don't don't react just because the media is telling you to, just because the Hill and the Washington Post are are collaborating to, you know, promote the same narrative.
• 1:03:48
  You know, it's it's just
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  Speaker 1: I also think, by you know, from that same perspective, don't think that ICE is justified in whatever they wanna do because Fox News or, say, Tim Pool says they should be. Right? It's about being objective. It's about saying, okay.
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  Speaker 2: Well Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I I recognize that there has to be this process of removing the illegals. However, I also am watching and saying, okay. Let's make sure we don't have a police state, you know, that's developing here. It's a tricky place. I mean, we're we're in a very tricky situation where it's like, okay, what happens if a state governor is actually controlled by a foreign nation and is actively working to destabilize The United States and a president wants to use federal powers to do that, I mean, it's tricky.
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  But it's really important, though, that we stay really level headed and realize that there's influence poking us from every single direction.
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  Speaker 2: There's,
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  Speaker 1: you know, trying to manipulate how we're how we're thinking about things.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: And and and that's and I use this as an example, the whole ICE raids. Because I mean, you're right. It is a tumultuous topic, But people have to take a 50,000 foot view and understand what caused this. And this is where I bash even Republicans very, very hard. And I say this problem started under Ronald Reagan when he made some backroom deal with Tip O'Neill and he legalized 3,000,000 illegals overnight.
• 1:05:10
  And then Bill Clinton and then George Bush junior and George Bush senior, excuse me, and Obama and Biden and Trump. When we know knowingly allow our borders to be wide open to drug trafficking, cartels, human trafficking, sex trafficking for thirty years, and we have normalized it so much. Of course, it it looks weird when we're trying to enforce the laws have been the same since the seventies. And overwhelmingly, 99% of the operations have been legal. And you're gonna have that 1% of where it where it where it looks a little rough.
• 1:05:44
  But I I I I would argue the thirty years that we've tolerated with Republican and Democrat presidents and their blatant obstruction of the constitution, people should be equally outraged over that. And I because I mean and it's like I I mean, when people ask about all the stuff that's going on right now, I'm like, guys, wait. Wait. Wait a minute. Let's just say look at the at the, you know, ten years ago, twenty years ago, thirty years ago.
• 1:06:07
  You know? What led up to this? You should be equally outraged about that. And and and it's it's there's nothing more laughable than than, you know, oh, orange man bad. But it's okay when when Obama did the exact same thing.
• 1:06:19
  He needs to ask him the better. Exactly.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: Well, Chris, it's been great speaking with you. We'll remind people, PMG Substack, the link is in the description. It's also substack.com/at,symbolpmg100. I'll make sure that the link is in there. Sign up, support Chris in what you're doing, share this information, have these conversations.
• 1:06:44
  Because you could argue that the fate of our nation depends on how we act right now, and we have to get over the the politeness and and the politically correct. Yeah. Otherwise, fire and brimstone may be falling from the sky before we know it. So, Chris, thank you, man. Any last words as we're signing off?
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: No. Like I said, just go there and subscribe. It's just $10 a month. It's I mean, we're already paying a $100 a month for Hulu and Netflix. So so it's I mean, for an opportunity to get some real honest critical thinking, I mean, like I said, it's it's we we love our supporters.
• 1:07:20
  It's it's only growing, you know, weekly commentary, videos, articles, essays, polling. I mean, it's it's gonna be great. So, again, Seth, I appreciate you. You're fantastic. You know, you're you're one of the one of the rare good ones who actually asks the right questions.
• 1:07:33
  But they'll be you are 100% right. Your wife is is amazing and very direct.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: Which is exactly what I need. I had a mother growing up that, it was hard for me to do wrong in her eyes, which is has it has its values, but it's also good to have a woman to help keep you in line. Otherwise, I'd be, you know, laying on the couch or eating eating Cheese Whiz at midnight. Right?
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: Well, no, no, the problem with you, Seth, is if you were ever a politician, you'd called a hair candidate. So that that's why everybody gives you a free pass.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: What's a hair was that because my my hair? So
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  Speaker 2: No. A hair candidate is like it's like it's like it's like a JFK. Someone who's really handsome, he's a free pass in life.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Maybe. I don't know about that. I'll have to ask my wife. All right.
• 1:08:21
  Well, Chris, man, it was good talking to you. Thank you again for coming on and just keep at what you're doing. I think it's a great initiative you're working on there.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: Yes, sir. Really appreciate it. Thanks again.
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  Speaker 1: All right.