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The Kenny Report | 11 February · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Line from the Skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me tonight on the Kenny Report. All
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Speaker 2: eyes on Angus Taylor in Canberra as a challenge against
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Speaker 2: Opposition leader Susan Lee is imminent. I'll speak with Liberals
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Speaker 2: Alex Antik and Paul scar in the UK. The Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister Keir Starmer could soon face the challenge too. I'll
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Speaker 2: cross live to the UK and catch up with Esther Krakhu,
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Speaker 2: disgraced Australian of the Year Grace Thames. Horrible calls for
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Speaker 2: interfada are yet to be condemned by the Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: as he hosts the Israeli President in Canberra. I'll be
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Speaker 2: joined by Israel's Deputy Foreign Minister, Sharon Haskell. Also, what's
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Speaker 2: happening on Iran and Malcolm Turnbull embarrasses himself again. We'll
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Speaker 2: hear from Tom Switzer and the Wednesday Wrangle with Jamie
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Speaker 2: and Justin. Let's get cracking. Let me do something I
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Speaker 2: haven't done for a while. Let me give some praise
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Speaker 2: to the Prime Minister Anthony Alberzi. To his credit and
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Speaker 2: to the good of the nation, Albo has gone out
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Speaker 2: of his way to do more than he had to
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Speaker 2: to make Israel's president welcome and to engage with him deeply.
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Speaker 2: Albanizi flew to Sydney last night in the middle of
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Speaker 2: a parliamentary sitting wick, to join Isaac Herzog at a
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Speaker 2: major synagogue in Sydney, engaging obviously also with the Australian
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Speaker 2: Jewish community. And afterwards the Prime Minister hosted the President
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Speaker 2: for dinner at his official Sydney residence, Kirabilly House on
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Speaker 2: Sydney Harbor. That's pretty good treatment for a visiting official
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Speaker 2: in a sitting wik, especially one who's had to put
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Speaker 2: up with vicious and violent protests directed at him, and
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Speaker 2: it continued today.
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Speaker 1: That is the good treatment.
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Speaker 2: The PM gave Herzog and his wife a lyft to
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Speaker 2: Canberra on his government jet this morning, and then he
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Speaker 2: joined the official delegation for a ceremonial welcome for the
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Speaker 2: Israeli President at Yarralumla, the Governor General's official residence. And
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Speaker 2: then this afternoon the President was greeted again, this time
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Speaker 2: met by the Prime Minister in the Prime ministeri or
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Speaker 2: courtyard at Parliament House for official meetings with Alberizi and
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Speaker 2: his ministers and then the opposition leader. All to the good,
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Speaker 2: of course, all to be expected, but especially with that
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Speaker 2: trip up to Sydney last night, a better than expected
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Speaker 2: effort by the Albanesi government and the Prime Minister, and
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Speaker 2: a sign that he is paying due respect to the
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Speaker 2: head of state of such a true and valued friend
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Speaker 2: to Australia as Israel. But that, I'm afraid is where
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Speaker 2: my praise for the Prime Minister ends, because all this
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Speaker 2: hospitality sadly cannot make up for Albanesi's mishandling of this
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Speaker 2: issue and mistreatment of Israel. Albernizi has not done or
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Speaker 2: said anything that suggests he's woken up to his own
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Speaker 2: missteps on Israel or his failures in combating anti Semitism
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Speaker 2: and Islamist extremism here at home. Even after the worst
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Speaker 2: terror attack in the nation's history, Alberizi has not adjusted
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Speaker 2: his foreign policy stance that plays directly into global hatred
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Speaker 2: against Israel and Jews, nor has he taken serious steps
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Speaker 2: to change the public debate in this country and scale
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Speaker 2: back the demonization of Israel. Albanize he won some praise
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Speaker 2: yesterday for standing by his decision to host Israel's president.
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Speaker 1: In this country.
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Speaker 3: We need to turn it right down, including in the
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Speaker 3: retoric that just took place in that exchange in this chamber.
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Speaker 3: President Herzog is here in Australia to offer simple and
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Speaker 3: solidarity to people who are mourning and to offer his
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Speaker 3: support to members of Australia's Jewish community.
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Speaker 2: But how could the Prime ministers support for the visit
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Speaker 2: even be questioned? Why is it meritorious for the PM
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Speaker 2: to stand by the visit? I mean, imagine the counterfactual
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Speaker 2: here that he backed away from supporting the visit of
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Speaker 2: a foreign head of head of state that he'd invited.
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Speaker 1: To our country. Give me a break.
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Speaker 2: What Albanzi has said is the bare minimum. He's done
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Speaker 2: nothing substantive to reset our relationship with a strong ally.
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Speaker 2: Most of Alberanzi's statements, and of course his terrible decision
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Speaker 2: to recognize the non existent state of Israel, have been
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Speaker 2: full of horrible equivalents between the rights of Israel, a liberal,
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Speaker 2: democratic state operating under the rule of law and under
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Speaker 2: attack on all sides by terrorists and rogue state, an
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Speaker 2: equivalence between those rights and the rights of the Palestinian territories,
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Speaker 2: which are ruled by the terrorist regimes. They installed and
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Speaker 2: who deliberately kill Israelis as part of a jihadist plan
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Speaker 2: to eliminate their country from the face of the earth.
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Speaker 2: Albo doesn't want to pick a side, even though one
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Speaker 2: side is peaceful and democratic and the other side is
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Speaker 2: run by terrorists and has repeatedly instigated war and rejected
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Speaker 2: peaceful resolutions. Instead we get banality.
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Speaker 1: Australians want the killing the stop.
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Speaker 3: They want innocent lives to be protected, whether they be
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Speaker 3: Israeli or Palestinian. And the other thing that they want
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Speaker 3: us for conflict to not be brought here. That is
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Speaker 3: overwhelmingly what they want. That's the government's position and will
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Speaker 3: continue to advocate for it.
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Speaker 2: Really, Prime Minister, you don't want the conflict brought here.
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Speaker 1: That's the government's position.
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Speaker 2: Why then, have you issued almost three thousand visas to
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Speaker 2: people from the terrorist badlands of Gaza, immigrants whose security checks.
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Speaker 1: Can only have been cursory.
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Speaker 2: Why have we allowed in more immigrants from Gaza than
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Speaker 2: any comparable country, even though we're so far from the
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Speaker 2: Middle East. And you say it's not our conflict. PM,
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Speaker 2: you say you don't want the conflict brought here. Yet
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Speaker 2: you stood back and watched for more than two years,
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Speaker 2: while people chanted f the Jews, wears the Jews river
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Speaker 2: to the sea, and globalize the Interofada. For more than
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Speaker 2: two years, you did nothing to stop this. In fact,
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Speaker 2: you encouraged it by constantly criticizing Israel, criticisms often based
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Speaker 2: on propaganda fed out of Gaza by Hamas, and perhaps
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Speaker 2: most idiotically, you even rewarded terrorism by recognizing the non
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Speaker 2: existent state of Palestine while this Hmas war was raging
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Speaker 2: and the terrorists still held hostages, Prime Minister, For a
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Speaker 2: man who says he does not want the conflict brought here,
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Speaker 2: your actions have delivered another message.
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Speaker 1: I mean, what about when.
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Speaker 2: The former Australian of the Year, Grace Tame said this
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Speaker 2: on Monday night.
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Speaker 4: From Gadigal to Gaza globalize, the anti fial won my.
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Speaker 5: Time, from Gadidol to Gaza Globalize.
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Speaker 2: Why haven't you condemned this in the strongest possible terms,
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister. This is a call for violence against Israel,
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Speaker 2: against Jews while the Israeli president is in Australia, and
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Speaker 2: you let it slide by when you just try to
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Speaker 2: pretend away this call for violence against Jews in this
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Speaker 2: country and around the world.
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Speaker 1: It is appalling. PM. Your weakness is dangerous. That's what
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Speaker 1: we've seen.
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Speaker 2: What you have done, Prime Minister is abandon Israel and
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Speaker 2: abandon the Australian Jewish community. And unless you rectify that,
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Speaker 2: then this week's visit is nothing more than you being
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Speaker 2: polite when what is needed is a fundamental rethink of
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Speaker 2: how you view Israel and the Palestinian question, and how
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Speaker 2: you manage social cohesion, immigration, anti Semitism and Islamist extremism
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Speaker 2: here in our country.
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Speaker 1: Wake up, Prime Minister.
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Speaker 2: You have a large majority, you have a dysfunctional opposition,
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Speaker 2: You are politically unassailable. You can afford to act on
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Speaker 2: principle on what's best for this country and for Western
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Speaker 2: liberal democracies. Change your stance on Israel and your tolerance
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Speaker 2: of hateful rants and lies against Israel. Admit your errors
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Speaker 2: and support democracy, tolerance and peace ahead of the alternative,
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Speaker 2: which is perpetual grievance, lies and resort to violence. Do
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Speaker 2: this and the time spent with President Herzog will have
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Speaker 2: been worthwhile.
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Speaker 1: Do this and you will be on the road.
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Speaker 2: To winning back the trust of the Australian Jewish community.
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Speaker 1: Do this and you will.
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Speaker 2: Start to rebuild social cohesion and national security in this country.
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Speaker 2: Let me just update you on the story we broke
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Speaker 2: yesterday about the false and dishonest use of names in
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Speaker 2: a newspaper advertisement opposing the visit by President Hertzog. The
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Speaker 2: Jewish Council of Australia has admitted that it included false
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Speaker 2: signatories in the ad featured in the Sydney Morning Herald
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Speaker 2: and The Age newspapers on Monday yesterday. I spoke to
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Speaker 2: Melbourne businessman David Slade, who along with his wife, was
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Speaker 2: listed in the ads without his permission or knowledge.
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Speaker 6: Tammy and I are fully supportive of President Hertzog's visit.
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Speaker 6: His visit comes at a time that is extremely important
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Speaker 6: for Australian Jews, for our community and to show unity,
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Speaker 6: especially after the Bondai massacre of Jewish people, and we
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Speaker 6: welcome his visit and we welcome his support well.
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Speaker 2: Today nine, the publisher of The Herald and The Age
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Speaker 2: responded to the outrage, saying, by really handballing responsibility to
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Speaker 2: the Jewish Council of Australia, very clear terms and conditions
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Speaker 2: that all advertisers agree that make clear they are solely
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Speaker 2: responsible for all copy in their advertisements. However, nine did
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Speaker 2: promise to remove the ad from their newspaper's digital editions.
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Speaker 1: Look.
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Speaker 2: I showed you last night how former Liberal Prime minister,
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Speaker 2: former Liberal wrecker, Malcolm Turnbull was bagging Sky News and
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Speaker 2: bagging you, our viewers. He reckons your views don't matter,
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Speaker 2: that your views are out of touch with mainstream Australians,
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Speaker 2: which is a bit rich coming from a bloke who
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Speaker 2: lives in a fifty million dollar mansion on Sydney Harbor.
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Speaker 2: And yes I once worked for him. You know that
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Speaker 2: I've been to that mansion in the past, but that
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Speaker 2: was all more than fifteen years ago. Like many people,
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Speaker 2: I'm fed up to the gills with his undermining of
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Speaker 2: the party that put him in the lodge, his efforts
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Speaker 2: to settle old scores, his failure to recognize his own
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Speaker 2: failure failings, and the way he crawls the pitch for
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Speaker 2: anyone trying to set the Liberal Party right now. Apart
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Speaker 2: from demeaning you our wonderful audiences, this stuff from Turnbull
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Speaker 2: plays straight into the media wards. I mean, most media
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Speaker 2: ignore him. He's boring and he's largely irrelevant, but the
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Speaker 2: ABC runs him incessantly. They did it again, this morning,
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Speaker 2: and he's never challenged and he runs his bile unchecked.
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Speaker 2: So let's examine some of his unsolicited advice and compare
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Speaker 2: it to his actual performance.
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Speaker 1: Here's what some more. Here's some more of what he
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Speaker 1: said yesterday.
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Speaker 7: I mean, this is the Liberal Party's facing an existential crisis,
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Speaker 7: right and you know, in a way, energy policy is
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Speaker 7: the way they got there. You know, we're talking about
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Speaker 7: we're here talking about energy policy, which is vital to
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Speaker 7: the future of the nation. The right wing of the
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Speaker 7: Liberal Party which now completely control it.
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Speaker 1: Energy is a cultural or issue.
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Speaker 7: You know, you would have heard me say years ago
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Speaker 7: energy policy should be determined by engineering and economics, not
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Speaker 7: ideology and idiocy.
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Speaker 2: So that's the term of advice on energy engineering and economics.
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Speaker 2: This is a bloke who backed an emissions trading scheme,
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Speaker 2: then dropped his support for political convenience, he advocated a
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Speaker 2: carbon tax, and for political convenience opposed a carbon tax,
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Speaker 2: and then he put up a national energy guarantee policy
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Speaker 2: that hit the wall and cost him the Prime ministership.
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Speaker 2: But along the way he gave us snowy hydro two
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Speaker 2: point zero and sold it with typical modesty.
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Speaker 7: I am a nation building Prime Minister, believe me, and
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Speaker 7: this is a nation building project.
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Speaker 1: These are big dreams and these.
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Speaker 7: Real courage, a belief in the future, a confidence in Australia.
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Speaker 2: We're so lucky to have such visionaries among us, aren't we. Well,
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Speaker 2: let's talk about engineering and economics. This project is five
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Speaker 2: years overdue at the moment. That is, it's already taken
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Speaker 2: twice as long as promised because of massive engineering problems
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Speaker 2: with the tunneling and the tunnel boring machines. So it's
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Speaker 2: an engineering fail at the moment, and there's still years
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Speaker 2: of delays to go.
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Speaker 1: Oh dear.
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Speaker 2: And that all means, of course, there are cost blowouts.
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Speaker 2: When Turnbull announced it, the promised price tag was two
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Speaker 2: billion dollars and the economics were marginal even then, given
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Speaker 2: it doesn't add to overall grid capacity, it essentially acts
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Speaker 2: as a giant expensive battery. Well, it's much more expensive
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Speaker 2: now with cost blowouts mounting. The costs are initially reached
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Speaker 2: at least twelve billion dollars, that's six times the original pledge,
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Speaker 2: and experts tell us that by the time it's connected
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Speaker 2: to the grid, the total cost of the project will
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Speaker 2: be twenty billion dollars. So that's the example we have
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Speaker 2: of Turnbull's energy policy, engineering and economics two to three
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Speaker 2: times over on time, ten times over on price. Pray,
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Speaker 2: tell what other advice does Turnbull have for the Liberals
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Speaker 2: and Sky News audiences. Well, he says the Opposition is
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Speaker 2: talking about the wrong issues and he offers these suggestions.
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Speaker 7: Whereas if they were talking about energy policy, economics, productivity.
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Speaker 7: You know, why do infrastructure projects cost too much from Australia.
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Speaker 7: What can we do to improve delivery? Why does it
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Speaker 7: take so long to permit them? You know, how can
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Speaker 7: we increase permitting all of the issues that we're raising
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Speaker 7: as a hydro power industry with the government the opposition
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Speaker 7: we're talking about that and you know other related issues,
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Speaker 7: then people would be paying attention to that.
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Speaker 1: Talk about your barbecue stopper.
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Speaker 2: Let's have a look at how Turnbull put some of
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Speaker 2: this into practice when he was Prime minister.
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Speaker 7: The Government's Innovation package that we are releasing today will
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Speaker 7: incentivize and reward innovation, entrepreneurship and risk taking by focusing
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Speaker 7: on four key areas, first, culture and capital, embracing risk,
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Speaker 7: and incentivizing early stage investment in startups.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it didn't really set the political world on fire,
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Speaker 2: did it. He seemed to get confused between his private
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Speaker 2: investment strategy and his political plan. Turnbull failed as Prime
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Speaker 2: minister after knifing Tony Abbott. That's when the rots set in,
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Speaker 2: and in the twenty sixteen election, Turnbull lost sixteen seats,
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Speaker 2: clinging to office by a single seat.
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Speaker 1: And of course none of this was his fault.
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Speaker 7: The Labor Party ran some of the most systematic, well
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Speaker 7: funded lies ever peddled in Australia.
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Speaker 2: Bar oh Well, he was deposed by Scott Morrison two
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Speaker 2: years later, dying by the same sword that his political.
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Speaker 1: Life had lived by. So while the Liberal Party is
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Speaker 1: in a mess right now.
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Speaker 2: And needs to heed all sensible advice to get its
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Speaker 2: act together, Turnbull shouldn't be surprised if his offers to
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Speaker 2: assist are politely declined. He's probably better off meeting as
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Speaker 2: he has done with Labour's Climbate and Energy Minister Chris Bowen,
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Speaker 2: because he loves to tip taxpayers money into the sorts
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Speaker 2: of renewables projects that Turnbull loves to invest in. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: it's all fun and games for some of them, but
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Speaker 2: it's mainstream Australians who miss out.
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Speaker 1: Parliament seemed to be in a bit of a holding.
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Speaker 2: Pattern today as both sides wait for the Shadow Defense
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Speaker 2: Minister Angus Taylor to announce a spill against Opposition leader
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Speaker 2: Susan Lee.
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Speaker 1: The Prime Minister was playing games.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 3: We don't know who the Liberal leader will be next week,
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Speaker 3: but we do know.
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Speaker 6: That they'll be against Medicare.
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Speaker 2: And the Treasurer had already moved on from Lee and
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Speaker 2: was concentrating on trying to undercut the next opposition leader.
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Speaker 8: And that's why those opposite are balking at him now,
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Speaker 8: mister Speaker, because in every portfolio that he's held, he's
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Speaker 8: failed badly, and he's failed upwards, mister Speaker. And the
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Speaker 8: worse he performs, the more entitled he feels to a promotion,
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Speaker 8: mister Speaker. No matter what happens, at every stage of
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Speaker 8: his life, he wants everything handed to him on a
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Speaker 8: silver platter, mister Speaker. And he reminds me of a
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Speaker 8: famous saying, mister Speaker, the member for Hume was born
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Speaker 8: with a silver foot in.
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Speaker 1: His mouth, mister Speaker.
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Speaker 8: Now, just when we thought that they couldn't go any
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Speaker 8: lower on the economic credibility, remember for Hume, says.
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Speaker 2: Hold my chardonnaye, the hubris of labor Hay. Wouldn't it
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Speaker 2: be nice to see them brought to account. Let me
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Speaker 2: bring in from Canberra, Liberal Senator for South Australia Alex Antik.
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Speaker 1: Alex, thanks for joining us.
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Speaker 2: Any word on Angus Taylor resigning from shadow cabinet.
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Speaker 9: No, Chris, I do enjoy coming up to the media
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Speaker 9: floor and seeing the buzz of excitement and the you know,
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Speaker 9: the the sort of the confectious waiting around that sort
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Speaker 9: of stuff. Look this, look, this is. This is what
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Speaker 9: it is in Canberra. We'll see what happens, but I'll
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Speaker 9: just say this that the party's trajectory at the moment
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Speaker 9: is not good. I never thought i'd see the day
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Speaker 9: when our primary would be floating in and around the
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Speaker 9: low twenties and we would still be talking about the future.
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Speaker 9: We've got to get on with getting some policies out
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Speaker 9: there that are going to combat the push away from
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Speaker 9: us and the push to one nation, which I think
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Speaker 9: is the most stark and startling thing that's happened probably
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Speaker 9: the last twenty years. In this building.
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Speaker 1: I sense no buzz of excitement from you?
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Speaker 2: Is it?
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Speaker 1: Weary resignation? Now.
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Speaker 9: I said it the other day on a different show.
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Speaker 9: I just find the machinations of leadership challenges a bit tedious.
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Speaker 9: Quite honestly, I'm more interested in getting on with doing
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Speaker 9: some of the things that I've been prosecuting myself and
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Speaker 9: trying to sort of get a bit more Australia first
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Speaker 9: back into this building, and I have to say, I mean,
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Speaker 9: I think that tells the story of why we are
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Speaker 9: floundering at the moment as a party. I think we
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Speaker 9: need to get back focused on what it is that's
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Speaker 9: driving this country towards towards one nation's vote, simple as that.
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Speaker 1: So you're a conservative. The day you think of leadership
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Speaker 1: will march on. Do you think a leadership change is necessary?
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Speaker 2: So you are a conservative, you're from the conservative wing
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Speaker 2: of the party. You can't be too thrilled with Susan
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Speaker 2: Lee's performance and how that's reflected in the public debate.
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Speaker 2: Do you want to change? Is Angus Taylor the man?
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Speaker 2: Does it happen to have to happen in the next
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Speaker 2: twenty four hours?
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Speaker 9: Well, look, I will say, and I said it on
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Speaker 9: this perhaps on your show that on Sky News nine
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Speaker 9: months ago, I voted for Angus the first time round.
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Speaker 9: I think Angus is an exceptionally capable person. I think
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Speaker 9: he's he is going to do a good job when
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Speaker 9: his time comes, whether it's now, tomorrow, six months, two years,
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Speaker 9: whatever it may be. I have no doubt he'll get
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Speaker 9: his chance in the leadership and he'll do a very
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Speaker 9: good job. And he's a good Conservative and a good Australian.
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Speaker 9: So I think something has to happen. We have to
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Speaker 9: see this for what it is and we simply cannot
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Speaker 9: continue to hemorrhage votes in the way we are. And
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Speaker 9: I think, as I've said before, I think One Nation
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Speaker 9: are showing the blueprint for what the Liberal Party should
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Speaker 9: be doing, focusing on the out of metro seats, focusing
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Speaker 9: on the rural seats, focusing on an Australia First agenda.
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Speaker 9: That's what I've been doing for six years in this building.
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Speaker 9: So that's what I think needs to happen.
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Speaker 2: Well, the first electoral test for One Nation will come
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Speaker 2: next month where they're running candidates with Corey Bernardi as
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Speaker 2: the lead candidate, the former Liberal senator. That'll be tested
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Speaker 2: at the state election there and we'll go to some graphics.
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Speaker 2: Now I feel we might have the wrong graphics here,
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Speaker 2: But there's been some public polling in South Australia that's
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Speaker 2: not much good to us.
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Speaker 1: That's how Labor are going to thump the Liberals, we
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Speaker 1: all know that.
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Speaker 2: But there is other polling that shows one Nation is
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Speaker 2: polling ahead of the Liberal Party in South Australia at
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Speaker 2: the moment. Do you fear that could actually be reflected
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Speaker 2: on election day in that state election?
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Speaker 9: Well, look, I mean I think the polls are pretty consistent.
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Speaker 9: They're consistent now at state level. We haven't seen those
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Speaker 9: numbers until recently. We've seen them at federal level. But
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Speaker 9: of course there's always a difference in the polling between
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Speaker 9: state and federal levels. But look, I think that is
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Speaker 9: the case, and we should be clear about this one
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Speaker 9: Nation of taking votes from the Labor Party in South
23:09
Speaker 9: Australia as well, so their brand is on the rise.
23:13
Speaker 9: I've seen it in the seat of Spence in the
23:16
Speaker 9: South Aralia out North Elizabeth, which is the old car
23:20
Speaker 9: making area where people that would traditionally vote Labor out
23:23
Speaker 9: there have given Pauline Hanson a heroes welcome in years past.
23:27
Speaker 9: And I've been talking about this bleed to one Nation
23:29
Speaker 9: for a very long period of time. I was criticized
23:32
Speaker 9: for raising it in my pre selection speech at a
23:34
Speaker 9: time when one Nation in essay were purportedly around twelve percent.
23:38
Speaker 9: Where you can double, if not more, of that now,
23:40
Speaker 9: And so I think the penny has to drop with
23:42
Speaker 9: the Liberal Party. This shift to the left, this shift
23:44
Speaker 9: to the center, this concept of meeting Australians where they
23:47
Speaker 9: are or meeting them in the center is just It
23:50
Speaker 9: has no historical precedent for being successful. The Liberal Party
23:53
Speaker 9: is most successful when it is back leaning towards its
23:56
Speaker 9: center right route, and that is true in Southamustralia. So
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Speaker 9: I think it is an enormous threat Corey. I think
24:03
Speaker 9: we'll get elected and he will be a force to
24:06
Speaker 9: be reckoned with in South Australian politics.
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Speaker 2: I'm certain he'll get elected, and here's every chance to
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Speaker 2: drag another Upper House member into the Parliament with him.
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Speaker 2: Just talking about the bleed to one nation though, can
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Speaker 2: you rule out that.
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Speaker 1: Bleed not including you as you sticking with the Liberals.
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Speaker 1: You're not a possible defector to one nation.
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Speaker 9: I am not a defector to one nation, as I
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Speaker 9: have said for a long period of time, spent a
24:31
Speaker 9: long period of time trying to bring people back to
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Speaker 9: the Liberal Party, real people, people that aren't parliamentary staffers,
24:37
Speaker 9: that aren't career politicians. That of course is what we
24:41
Speaker 9: see in the One Nation movement and what we should
24:43
Speaker 9: see out of the Liberal Party. And I see a
24:46
Speaker 9: good future for the Liberal Party. It's just a question
24:48
Speaker 9: of getting back to basics, getting back to what Robert
24:50
Speaker 9: Menzies would have done. And we do find ourselves, in
24:52
Speaker 9: many respects in a similar position that he found himself
24:55
Speaker 9: when he founded the party. There's been too much splintering
24:58
Speaker 9: of the Conservative parties and Conservative vote in this country
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Speaker 9: and it's time to time to bring them all back
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Speaker 9: in the tent.
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Speaker 1: Yes, spot on.
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Speaker 2: And I used to be a parliamentary staffer, but I
25:06
Speaker 2: am now a real person too, So.
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Speaker 1: That's great to talk to you, Alex keeping.
25:12
Speaker 9: And you're a good Crows fan as well.
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Speaker 2: And absolutely it's a tautology a good Crows fan. Alex
25:18
Speaker 2: Antik there, Senator for South Australia. That's going to be
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Speaker 2: the big test. That state election next month will be
25:23
Speaker 2: all over it here on sky and I'll be down
25:25
Speaker 2: in South Australia for that election. Whether we see that
25:27
Speaker 2: one nation polling reflected at the ballot booth. Let's go
25:31
Speaker 2: to Canberra again now and catch up with the Shadow
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Speaker 2: Minister for Immigration, Paul scar Paul, thanks for joining us
25:36
Speaker 2: talking about this shift to one nation.
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Speaker 1: We'll test it at the ballot box in the South
25:40
Speaker 1: Australian election.
25:41
Speaker 2: It's been reflected so strongly in federal polls.
25:45
Speaker 1: All the evidence and all the.
25:46
Speaker 2: Arguments suggest that it's been driven in large part by
25:50
Speaker 2: immigration policy. There are a number of other issues as well,
25:53
Speaker 2: but immigration policy is where one nation have been strong and.
25:57
Speaker 1: Consistent for decades.
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Speaker 2: Does that mean that in your portfolio the Coalition has
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Speaker 2: lost touch with the wishes of said a right voters.
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Speaker 10: Well, Chris, we've got to be focused on the national interest.
26:10
Speaker 10: We need an immigration policy that isn't the national interest
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Speaker 10: and has a support of a majority of a great
26:17
Speaker 10: majority of the Australian people. And we were working very
26:19
Speaker 10: diligently towards the back end of last year in developing
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Speaker 10: policy principles and also initiatives which were very close to announcement,
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Speaker 10: and I was working very close with the Shadow Home
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Speaker 10: Affairs Minister John o'donham and we're on the cusp of
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Speaker 10: releasing those policies which I think would have reflect the
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Speaker 10: concerns to the Australian people.
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Speaker 1: The fact of the.
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Speaker 10: Matter is our rate of migration, Our rate of immigration
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Speaker 10: is still ninety thousand above the pre COVID nineteen pandemic levels,
26:47
Speaker 10: about thirty one or so percent above those levels.
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Speaker 2: Immigration is too high, and we've got three thousand people
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Speaker 2: coming in from Gaza are under some sort of secrecy.
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Speaker 1: Did I hear you right?
26:57
Speaker 2: Did you just say you're on the cusp of releasing
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Speaker 2: an immigration policy.
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Speaker 10: I said we were on the cusp of releasing that
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Speaker 10: policy before the Bondai terrorist attack, before that massacre. So
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Speaker 10: we've done a lot of work on the policy, and
27:12
Speaker 10: obviously given what happened at Bondai.
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Speaker 1: So when will you release the policy?
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Speaker 2: Your party, your coalition parties are bleeding on this issue.
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Speaker 2: It's a front of mind concerned for so many Australians.
27:25
Speaker 2: They're flocking to one nation because one nation are clear
27:29
Speaker 2: on immigration and here you are still sitting on an
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Speaker 2: immigration policy.
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Speaker 10: Well, you know what happened at Bondai. The immediate reaction
27:39
Speaker 10: to Bondai from the Coalition was to focus on what
27:42
Speaker 10: needed to be done following that terrorist event. And there's
27:46
Speaker 10: obviously been a number of things that have occurred at
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Speaker 10: the front end of this year which have a diverted
27:52
Speaker 10: attention from the release the finalization of the policy. I
27:55
Speaker 10: agree it needs to be released as quickly as poor.
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Speaker 2: Find that astonishing and you wonder why the coalition is floundering.
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Speaker 2: Thanks so much for joining us, Paul, I appreciate it.
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Speaker 2: Paul scar there, who's the shadow immigration Minister. There's been
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Speaker 2: no one as torn apart over Bondai as me.
28:09
Speaker 1: Let me correct that.
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Speaker 2: I'm sorry because of course there's so many direct victims
28:13
Speaker 2: and relatives here. But as you know, this is an
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Speaker 2: issue that's been front of mind and front of heart
28:18
Speaker 2: of heart for me and others on this station right throughout.
28:23
Speaker 2: So I'm never going to discount the focus on Bondai.
28:26
Speaker 2: But immigration is central and immigration plays into even the concerns.
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Speaker 1: That come out of Bondai.
28:32
Speaker 2: To think that this coalition is floundering and it's been
28:36
Speaker 2: sitting on its immigration policy while Paula Enhanson and One
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Speaker 2: Nation make Hay well, that is just astounding, doesn't It
28:45
Speaker 2: shows you? It helps explain why this shambles of an
28:49
Speaker 2: opposition under Susan Lee are doing so poorly.
28:53
Speaker 1: Better take a break.
28:54
Speaker 2: On the other side of that, we're going to ask
28:55
Speaker 2: whether Donald Trump is about to take action against Iran.
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Speaker 1: Tom Switzer one's meet.
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Speaker 2: Now Iran will be at the top of the agenda
29:07
Speaker 2: when Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Etna, who meets with Donald
29:10
Speaker 2: Trump at the White House overnight our time. The US
29:14
Speaker 2: President has issued a fresh warning to Iran, saying, either
29:18
Speaker 2: we will make a deal or we will have to
29:21
Speaker 2: do something very tough like last time. Let me bring
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Speaker 2: in Tom Switzer columnists with the Australian Good to see
29:26
Speaker 2: you again too.
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Speaker 1: There's been so much lead up to.
29:29
Speaker 2: This, but so many innocent Iranians killed, we hope, and
29:33
Speaker 2: we think that has slowed down because of the American
29:36
Speaker 2: threats and their military presence in the region. After hearing
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Speaker 2: these latest warnings from Donald Trump, do we expect military action?
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Speaker 11: It depends on whom he places more emphasis on. Will
29:48
Speaker 11: it be the Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Nanna, who who
29:52
Speaker 11: will meet him in the White House on Wednesday in
29:54
Speaker 11: America in a few hours time, or will he follow
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Speaker 11: the advice of the more cautious leaders of Saudi Arabia,
30:02
Speaker 11: United Arab Emirates, the Turks, they don't like Iran. They're
30:06
Speaker 11: Sunni Gulf states. They don't like Iran, but they are
30:09
Speaker 11: very worried that Iran has a capacity to hit back hard,
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Speaker 11: including their all fields, and that would mean the regional
30:17
Speaker 11: economy could blow out.
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Speaker 2: They've lived in fear of Iran for decades that have
30:22
Speaker 2: often urged action against Iran. You think at this moment
30:26
Speaker 2: they're balking at extended military.
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Speaker 11: Bear in mind, Chris, that Iran has an estimated two
30:32
Speaker 11: thousand mid range ballistic missiles. Now they can use them
30:36
Speaker 11: if they're attacked. It's their ultimate de term. They're not
30:39
Speaker 11: going to give up their missile ballistic missile capability. They're
30:43
Speaker 11: not going to give up their enrichment to uranium either.
30:45
Speaker 2: Well to what a dopy jump in there, because we
30:48
Speaker 2: were told that both the Israeli military action and the
30:50
Speaker 2: American action last year. Seriously, the greaded both the missile
30:56
Speaker 2: capability and the nuclear program.
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Speaker 1: This is the twelve day war.
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Speaker 11: Well, if indeed that is true, the question then to
31:03
Speaker 11: put to the Israelis and the Americans is while we're
31:06
Speaker 11: doing this now, the reality is that Trump wants to
31:09
Speaker 11: get a deal, but at the same time, the Iranians
31:12
Speaker 11: do have some degree of leverage. As I said, they've
31:15
Speaker 11: got two thousand ballistic missiles mid range missiles, and they
31:19
Speaker 11: could strike against US allies in the region.
31:21
Speaker 2: Well, there's those strategic issues, there's the issue of terrorism
31:24
Speaker 2: and preventing or stopping around from funding terrorism around the region.
31:28
Speaker 1: But then there's the humanitarian.
31:29
Speaker 2: Issue where so many people have been killed, so many
31:32
Speaker 2: people are living under the yoke of this theocracy, and
31:36
Speaker 2: people around the world say, why shouldn't the Western world,
31:39
Speaker 2: ie the US, help change the regime? But that's going
31:44
Speaker 2: to be is that the least important of the issues
31:47
Speaker 2: here when it comes to those major and.
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Speaker 11: The estimates of the deaths of the protests since late December,
31:53
Speaker 11: they do vary from three point one thousand, and that's
31:56
Speaker 11: according to the Iranian authorities.
31:58
Speaker 1: So who believes so we forget that that number can
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Speaker 1: go up as.
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Speaker 11: High as thirty six thousand.
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Speaker 1: It's just extraordinary.
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Speaker 11: No, this is very sad for all those brave pro democracy,
32:07
Speaker 11: liberal minded protesters. But the point is if you topple
32:11
Speaker 11: the regime, it could lead to unintended consequences.
32:15
Speaker 1: Yeah.
32:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a very very difficult quandary. Just before I
32:18
Speaker 2: let you go back on to domestic politics. Can you
32:21
Speaker 2: believe the Liberals are having so much trouble cutting through
32:23
Speaker 2: They're losing so much public support in the polls, at
32:26
Speaker 2: least to one nation, yet.
32:28
Speaker 1: They've been sitting on their immigration policy.
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Speaker 11: It's incredible that the three big issues here are opposition
32:33
Speaker 11: to mass immigration, which should be a slam dunk for
32:36
Speaker 11: any center right party lest they bleed more votes to
32:39
Speaker 11: the populace right. It's happening all across Europe, as we
32:41
Speaker 11: discussed last week, opposition to net zero and mean it
32:45
Speaker 11: and also present ways of helping ease the cost of
32:48
Speaker 11: living pressures. Their three key issues should be relatively easy.
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Speaker 1: It's pretty straightforward.
32:54
Speaker 2: Thanks for turning joining us, Tom, Tom Switz so that
32:56
Speaker 2: you can read this stuff in The Australian and the Specky.
32:58
Speaker 2: Now coming up Grace Australian of the Year, Grace Thame's
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Speaker 2: horrible calls for interfada. I'll be joined by Israel's deputy
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Speaker 2: Foreign minister.
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Speaker 1: Don't go away.
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Speaker 2: Look, I want to get back to Grace Tame, the
33:14
Speaker 2: one time Australian of the Year who disgraced herself with
33:17
Speaker 2: this remarketer rally in Sydney on Monday night.
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Speaker 1: Here's a reminder from Gadigal.
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Speaker 4: To Gaza Global Life.
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Speaker 1: The Interi Final won my time.
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Speaker 5: From Gadigol to Gaza Global Life.
33:34
Speaker 2: Gadigal is the Aboriginal word for the Sydney area, so
33:38
Speaker 2: there can be no doubt about what this means. This
33:40
Speaker 2: is encouraging violence against Israel and Jews in Australia and
33:45
Speaker 2: right around the world, and all while Israel's president is
33:49
Speaker 2: a guest in our country. In fact, this is a
33:52
Speaker 2: called directly directly targeting his visit. The two interfartas against
33:58
Speaker 2: Israel and the nineteen nineties and two saw more than
34:01
Speaker 2: a thousand innocent people killed in Israel by suicide bombers
34:05
Speaker 2: and other attacks. Young kids, women and children. Even Australians
34:10
Speaker 2: were killed by terrorists, and the Bondai massacre is another
34:14
Speaker 2: example of what it might mean to globalize the Interfata.
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Speaker 2: His Liberal front bencher and Australian Jew Julian Lisa, I.
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Speaker 12: Don't care whether you're a high profile of Australian or
34:27
Speaker 12: you're just an ordinary Australian. No one should be calling
34:30
Speaker 12: for the violent murder of Jews on our streets. I'm
34:32
Speaker 12: sick and tired of this, and I think she and
34:34
Speaker 12: others should face the full force of the law.
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Speaker 2: He's not wrong, but what are the chances of that
34:41
Speaker 2: law being enforced or enacted. They're going to be pretty slim.
34:44
Speaker 2: I think let's get a view from Israel, and I'm
34:46
Speaker 2: pleased to be joined again by Sharon Haskell, the Deputy
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Speaker 2: Foreign Minister of Israel.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us again, Sharon number.
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Speaker 2: I'm sorry that you were hearing these calls from Australian streets,
34:59
Speaker 2: even from promin to Australians. How are they being received
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Speaker 2: in Israel?
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Speaker 4: Wow, it's actually heartbreaking to see that while our president
35:10
Speaker 4: is coming and the purpose of the visit is to
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Speaker 4: come and comfort, to come and stand in solidarity with
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Speaker 4: the Jewish community in Australia after a terrible massacre, an
35:22
Speaker 4: anti Semitic terrorist attack that was targeting the Jewish community.
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Speaker 4: And you know, this is what it means to globalize
35:31
Speaker 4: the Antifada. It means to bring an import the problems
35:36
Speaker 4: of the Middle East into Sydney.
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Speaker 1: And the result of.
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Speaker 4: That is the Bondai massacre. And when she stands up
35:44
Speaker 4: there and calls to globalize the Antifada from Gaza to
35:49
Speaker 4: Sydney to Australia while he visited. I mean, try and think,
35:53
Speaker 4: not even on our emotion, but the Jewish community. I mean,
35:57
Speaker 4: you know, they've been broken to pieces after this horrific
36:01
Speaker 4: terrorist attack. They're still collecting the pieces together. They're heartbroken,
36:07
Speaker 4: and you know they requested the President of Israel to
36:10
Speaker 4: come to pay solidarity, to come and listen to their
36:13
Speaker 4: heart and to their struggle. And during that time, she
36:16
Speaker 4: stand up to call for another violence, another massacre, another
36:21
Speaker 4: terrorist attack, not in Israel but in Sydney. I mean,
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Speaker 4: this is absolutely outrageous and I think that every Eastern
36:28
Speaker 4: Australian should stand against that.
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Speaker 2: I would suggest, I would just add in their destiny
36:35
Speaker 2: Foreign Minister that she would argue she's not calling for terrorism.
36:38
Speaker 1: I want to make that very clear.
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Speaker 2: But as you were saying, and as I've pointed out
36:42
Speaker 2: into FATA, is that violent uprising against Israel. It does
36:47
Speaker 2: result in that, and she needs to undersee and her
36:49
Speaker 2: other supporters need to understand that.
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Speaker 5: Now.
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Speaker 1: I just want to check in with you.
36:53
Speaker 2: You would be aware of all the diplomatic negotiations behind
36:57
Speaker 2: the visit of Isaac Hertzog too Australia and the way
37:01
Speaker 2: it's played out. I've praised our Prime minister for at
37:04
Speaker 2: least extending a very serious diplomatic welcome to the President.
37:10
Speaker 2: He flew up to Sydney and visited a synagogue with him,
37:13
Speaker 2: He had him to dinner at the official residence in Sydney,
37:17
Speaker 2: flew the President down to Canberra, joined him at the
37:20
Speaker 2: Government House, joined him at Parliament House. All those diplomatic
37:24
Speaker 2: niceties have been good to see. But our Prime Minister
37:28
Speaker 2: has not condemned Grace thames call, and he has not
37:32
Speaker 2: shifted on any of these positions on Israel.
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Speaker 1: Your assessment of the visit through that lens.
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Speaker 4: So I'll say first that his purpose a visit is
37:44
Speaker 4: to come and comfort and sending solidarity with the Jewish community.
37:48
Speaker 4: And as has rule, you know in Israel, he has
37:53
Speaker 4: the rule to come and unite the people of Israel,
37:56
Speaker 4: to talk and to and to push through social projects
38:04
Speaker 4: and social activity and activists, and to see how he
38:09
Speaker 4: can create a better fabric or more stronger Israeli fabric
38:15
Speaker 4: from what we've had. And that symbolic visit is a
38:18
Speaker 4: symbolic visit for the Jewish community. We still have many
38:22
Speaker 4: challenges with the Australian government, and I think that the
38:26
Speaker 4: Prime Minister in Natanielle have said that before. You know,
38:30
Speaker 4: the problems with the rhetoric of the Australian government of
38:34
Speaker 4: accepting a lot of Kmaso's propaganda and a lot of
38:36
Speaker 4: the propaganda that's been you know, fabricated against Israel is
38:42
Speaker 4: part of what had created some of a legitimacy two
38:46
Speaker 4: different acts who were committed against the Jewish community. You know,
38:51
Speaker 4: the fact is that we would want to see a
38:54
Speaker 4: change in rhetoric, We would want to see an action
38:57
Speaker 4: against racism towards the Jewish community of Australia. There's many
39:03
Speaker 4: steps that needs to happen in order to even start,
39:06
Speaker 4: you know, different constructive steps to try and bring some
39:12
Speaker 4: relationship back into its course because it's been damaged, and
39:15
Speaker 4: it's been damaged greatly. And I just Chris, if I
39:20
Speaker 4: can say one more word about Grace Team, because I
39:25
Speaker 4: personally as a woman serving in politics, after what we've
39:28
Speaker 4: seen on the seventh of October, the sexual violence that
39:32
Speaker 4: was used as a tool of war on the seventh
39:35
Speaker 4: of October. You know, if you stand against violence against women,
39:41
Speaker 4: it shouldn't be dependent on your race or your religion
39:43
Speaker 4: or your ethnicity. It should be unanimously. It should be
39:48
Speaker 4: a global thing. And when she calls to globalize the intifader,
39:53
Speaker 4: what intifaer does she mean? The first one, the second one?
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Speaker 4: The seventh of October. Words have meaning, true mean words
40:00
Speaker 4: called for actions. And if you can stand in support
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Speaker 4: of what had happened on the seventh of October and
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Speaker 4: to call for that to come to Sydney. The sexual
40:09
Speaker 4: violence that was used as a tool of war, you know,
40:12
Speaker 4: the mutilation, the rape of little girls, the torture and
40:15
Speaker 4: the sexual abuse of hostages that were in captivity, it
40:19
Speaker 4: is absolutely outrageous.
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Speaker 2: It's just unspeakable. Thanks so much for joining us, Sharon,
40:24
Speaker 2: I appreciate it. The Deputy Foreign Minister of Israel there,
40:27
Speaker 2: Sharon Haskell, passionate about this as well.
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Speaker 1: She should be.
40:30
Speaker 2: And as you heard there, despite the diplomatic niosses demonstrated
40:34
Speaker 2: by the Prime Minister towards the President of Israel, when
40:37
Speaker 2: it comes to the actual substance of the relationship, sadly
40:40
Speaker 2: nothing has changed as yet. Well, it's not only Susan
40:45
Speaker 2: Lee's leadership that's under threat at the moment. In the
40:47
Speaker 2: political world in the UK, the Labor Prime Minister Kiostama
40:51
Speaker 2: has survived another day, but the sharks are circling with
40:54
Speaker 2: Health Secretary. Where's streeting tip to be considering a leadership
40:59
Speaker 2: tilt and writer and broadcaster. It's the Kraku Live from
41:02
Speaker 2: the UK. Thanks for talking to us again.
41:05
Speaker 1: It's there. How long can kirs Stammer survive?
41:08
Speaker 13: Well, it's clear that he's a dead man walking politically,
41:12
Speaker 13: and it's a matter of when not if. I suspect
41:15
Speaker 13: he will last until the end of the week. I
41:16
Speaker 13: actually think they're going to try and keep him until
41:19
Speaker 13: the May seventh local elections and the elections in Scotland
41:23
Speaker 13: and Wales, because the Labor Party has to have some
41:25
Speaker 13: realistic scapegoat and if they face the fact that their
41:28
Speaker 13: whole party is rotten from the bottom up and they're
41:31
Speaker 13: completely devoid of talent and so badly that they had
41:34
Speaker 13: to bring a pedophile's best friend into the government to
41:37
Speaker 13: make him more ambassadors to the US, I don't think
41:40
Speaker 13: it would sit too nicely with most Labor voters. So
41:43
Speaker 13: they're going to, you know, try and make Kirstamer a
41:46
Speaker 13: sacrificial lamb. And he's got rid of his chief of
41:49
Speaker 13: staff to buy himself some time, and Worst Streeting has
41:52
Speaker 13: always been in the sort of the Prime Minister in waiting.
41:56
Speaker 13: He's always wanted to succeed kis Stamer. He's always made
41:59
Speaker 13: the coalition and had little groups of people that are
42:02
Speaker 13: loyal to him. I suspect one of them as a
42:04
Speaker 13: Scottish labor leader who yesterday came out and asked Kirstamer
42:07
Speaker 13: to resign, and that obviously hasn't happened yet, but he's
42:11
Speaker 13: clearly aligned with West Streeting, so he's just going to
42:13
Speaker 13: wait and see how he can best maneuver his way
42:15
Speaker 13: to the leadership because it's not a clear path. There
42:17
Speaker 13: are other people that are waiting in the wings as well.
42:19
Speaker 13: We could have our first Muslim prime minister in Shabana Mahmood.
42:23
Speaker 13: That would be interesting as well.
42:24
Speaker 2: Wow, it's hard to process given how high Kirstammer was
42:30
Speaker 2: sailing only really months ago. But I want to show
42:33
Speaker 2: this little AI generated Instagram clip because.
42:36
Speaker 5: It gives people a sense of what's going on. He's
42:40
Speaker 5: holding on to the doorframe of number ten Downing Street
42:44
Speaker 5: for dear life. As you say, once the chief of
42:47
Speaker 5: staff had to fall on his sword.
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Speaker 1: It seems to be only a matter of time for
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Speaker 1: Kios Damer.
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Speaker 2: How quickly can Labor move on when it comes to policies.
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Speaker 2: They can change leaders as a viable alternative, as you say,
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Speaker 2: But but they have to camp the grips also with
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Speaker 2: especially the immigration issue.
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Speaker 1: It's not all about Mendelssohn.
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Speaker 13: Well, that's the main issue that the Labor Party party
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Speaker 13: is having. It's not as if you know, when Kirstarma
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Speaker 13: goes and he will go, that Labor is going to
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Speaker 13: usher in this new era like what Blair did in
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Speaker 13: nineteen ninety seven. Labor doesn't really have a firm policy
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Speaker 13: agenda and policy stance, and they know that they're hemorrhaging
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Speaker 13: votes to reform because they refuse to tackle the immigration
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Speaker 13: issue because they've decided to be enthralled to the far
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Speaker 13: left of their party and not realize that actually just
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Speaker 13: nipping the immigration issue in the buddle basically kill reforms,
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Speaker 13: raison dead. That's what they did in Denmark. You know,
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Speaker 13: the left wing, the left wing Democratic Party decided we
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Speaker 13: have to tackle this immigration issue. If not, our party
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Speaker 13: is toast and they've been riding high in the polls
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Speaker 13: ever since.
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Speaker 1: Seems pretty obvious. Thanks, hees appreciate it. It's the correct who.
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Speaker 1: They're live from London.
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Speaker 2: We're going to get to a break on the other
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Speaker 2: side of the Wednesday Wrangle with Jamie and Jasin. What's
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Speaker 2: going on with the Libs of course, and we'll also
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Speaker 2: catch up on that huge story that's dominating in the
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Speaker 2: United States.
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Speaker 1: Let's get into the Wednesday Wrangle.
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Speaker 2: Jamie Johnston joins me today the co host the DOUBLEJ podcast,
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Speaker 2: and columnist Justin Smith joins us as ever from Melbourne.
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Speaker 2: Great for both of you have on board. Look, I've
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Speaker 2: got to give you a strict time limit. We can't
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Speaker 2: talk all night about the liberal leadership because it might happen,
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Speaker 2: might not hapen them, and we'll be talking.
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Speaker 1: About it all day tomorrow.
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Speaker 2: So twenty seconds each on what might happen, what should happen?
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Speaker 1: You go first, Jamie, Oh, well.
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Speaker 14: Look, I think a leadership spill has to happen. I'm
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Speaker 14: not sure it's going to change anything at the end
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Speaker 14: of the day. Jane Hume was interviewed a couple of
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Speaker 14: days ago. She said, if our leaders have a rabbit
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Speaker 14: they need to put, they can pull out of a hat,
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Speaker 14: pull out that bunny now, and I think a miracle
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Speaker 14: is what it's going to take a magic trick, is
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Speaker 14: what it's going to take.
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Speaker 2: So just a miracle, nothing less. So justin what do
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Speaker 2: you expect to see? What should they be doing in
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Speaker 2: the next twenty four hours?
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Speaker 15: I think forget everything that they've been doing for the
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Speaker 15: last couple of years and plea retool their approach. I mean,
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Speaker 15: can you from the disaster of the election to losing
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Speaker 15: the coalition a couple of times and now finding themselves
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Speaker 15: at this place. Now it's a did you ever the
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Speaker 15: Seinfeld episode where George Costanza said that his life's not working,
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Speaker 15: so he's going to do everything to everything that he's done.
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Speaker 15: You know where a coffee he has tea, a great play, it's.
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Speaker 2: A great There's always a Seinfeld episode for every chey moment.
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Speaker 2: Exactly the libs are going to do the opposite to
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Speaker 2: what their instincts are telling them.
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Speaker 1: It just might work. I want to go to a
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Speaker 1: bizarre story from the US.
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Speaker 2: It's dominating in the US and I know a lot
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Speaker 2: of people in Australia are fascinated by it too, and
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Speaker 2: that is the kidnapping of the television star's mother, the
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Speaker 2: kidnapping of Nancy Guthrie. The police have a suspect now,
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Speaker 2: so they might be getting close.
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Speaker 1: Let's hope Nancy is unharmed.
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Speaker 2: Justin tell us about the story and why it's general
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Speaker 2: so much fascination. I suppose, of course it's a horrible crime,
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Speaker 2: but there's an amazing interest in it.
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Speaker 15: Yeah, look there is, and I mean, you know, everybody
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Speaker 15: asked the question, you know, who the hell would harm
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Speaker 15: an eighty four year old? Who would grab an eighty
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Speaker 15: four year old? But it does happen, and sadly, this
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Speaker 15: is not unique to people who are well known. Obviously,
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Speaker 15: there are victims right across the world, and there's there's
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Speaker 15: victims right across this country that have to put up
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Speaker 15: with crime every day. They don't always end as disastrously
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Speaker 15: as this one may have ended.
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Speaker 1: But it's it's sickening. It's a terrible word for it. Really.
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Speaker 2: There's a long history, tragically all around the world of
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Speaker 2: people who are rich being kidnapped essentially for money.
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Speaker 1: We don't know whether that's what's going on here.
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Speaker 14: Well, money's a funny thing because they said something about
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Speaker 14: a six million dollar roundsom and a bitcoin account, and
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Speaker 14: somehow today one hundred and fifty two dollars or something
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Speaker 14: has been put in this bitcoin account. I mean, the
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Speaker 14: whole thing is extremely bizarre. It's reassuring that somebody has,
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Speaker 14: as it says on the screen, now person has been detained.
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Speaker 14: So I guess we got to follow this story closely.
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Speaker 14: But it's truly heartbreaking for the family. Bizarre and fascinating.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's hope it has resolved now.
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Speaker 2: Justin Isaac Hertzog heads to Melbourne tomorrow. The protesters are
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Speaker 2: promising to lay it on. The Melbourne protesters like to
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Speaker 2: think that they're even more out there than the Sydney protesters.
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Speaker 2: The premier there, just Cinder Allen, has said stay away,
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Speaker 2: but they've seen what's happened in Sydney, they've seen the
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Speaker 2: sort of horrible call that Grace Tame has put out.
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Speaker 2: What are your fears about what could unfold on the
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Speaker 2: streets in Melbourne tomorrow?
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Speaker 15: What the premier has said, which I think is right,
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Speaker 15: if you can't be peaceful, don't come, and I would
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Speaker 15: agree with that. I look, you know where the three
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Speaker 15: of us would be big believers in protesting. It's a
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Speaker 15: very important part of what happens sometimes and sometimes that's
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Speaker 15: incredibly passionate. But these protesters lose their call when it
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Speaker 15: becomes violent. I would love to see a protest tomorrow
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Speaker 15: that has got a clear message that it goes after
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Speaker 15: the people they want to but just peaceful, that's yeah.
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Speaker 2: Look, I've got every right to protest peacefully. Although their
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Speaker 2: messages are horrific in many cases, Jamie there lies they're wrong.
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Speaker 2: This talk of genocide and the like. And if you're
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Speaker 2: going to get people like Grace Tame chanting into Fata,
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Speaker 2: globalizing into Fata from Gadagil to Gaza, I mean, this
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Speaker 2: is a call for violence.
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Speaker 1: It is.
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Speaker 14: And the thing I found really interesting is you know
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Speaker 14: it's okay for Justinto Allen to come out and say
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Speaker 14: if you're not going to be peaceful, don't come. But
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Speaker 14: it's more of what we see from our leaders on
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Speaker 14: the left. It's just words. You mentioned it earlier in
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Speaker 14: the program with the PM. We hear words, we don't
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Speaker 14: hear action. Do something.
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Speaker 1: You know we see Queensland. Now.
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Speaker 14: No, I'm not suggesting we do ban protests, and I'm
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Speaker 14: an advocate for free speech, but you said it yourself,
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Speaker 14: when is the last time this was actually peaceful. I
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Speaker 14: just think they need to do something during COVID, the
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Speaker 14: premiers made out like they were the president. You know,
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Speaker 14: they had so much power.
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Speaker 1: Wow, and they didn't hold back there that.
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Speaker 14: Power during COVID, and yet now when it comes to
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Speaker 14: arresting anyone on the left, they're like.
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Speaker 1: Oh, our hands are tied.
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Speaker 14: No, you've got power to enforce the law, so do something.
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Speaker 2: It's an extraordinary difference between the way they handled ordinary citizens,
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Speaker 2: peaceful citizens during COVID and the way they handle anti
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Speaker 2: Israel protesters.
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Speaker 1: There's no doubt. Thanks for joining us, appreciate it. Justin
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Speaker 1: Smith and Jamie Johnston.
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Speaker 2: Just a bit of time to share some of your
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Speaker 2: feedback to the program last night, especially in relation to
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Speaker 2: the former Australian of the Year, Grace Tame. One viewer says,
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Speaker 2: Grace Tame should do the right thing and hand it back.
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Speaker 2: She's showed by her behavior that she doesn't deserve it.
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Speaker 2: Another viewer says, do they even understand what they're asking
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Speaker 2: for when they're shouting that phrase? I fear some of
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Speaker 2: them do, and I hope many of them don't.
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Speaker 1: Actually.
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Speaker 2: Another viewer says, this is absolutely sickening, that's for sure,
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Speaker 2: and finally this nonsense has to stop. I stand with
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Speaker 2: my Jewish neighbors. I think most Australians do. Thank you
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Speaker 2: for sharing that the trouble is where the silent majority.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for watching. Peter Quidlin is up next. I'll see
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Speaker 1: you tomorrow night