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EP24 - Dreams: Because middle-age wasn't confusing enough · Oh And One More Thing

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  Some old friends facing our fears, laughing through the
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  chaos and drinking some beers. So here's to the laughs, the
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  crows and the cheers. All the awkward moments and
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  we're still here 'cause in the end, we're just doing our thing.
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  It's our crazy life. 01 more thing.
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  One more thing. Welcome to Oh and one more
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  thing, a podcast where 2 long time friends try to figure out
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  what the heck is going on with this crazy thing called middle
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  age. It's a mix of stories of how we
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  navigate our lives and maybe some questionable.
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  Advice. Some days we're wise, other days
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  we're just trying to remember where the heck we left our
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  phone. So join us as we laugh, groan,
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  and maybe even learn a little something about surviving in the
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  second-half of life. Oh, and one more thing.
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  Hello, Susan. Hello.
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  Hello. Hey, everybody, It's Rob.
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  How you doing? Welcome to.
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  And one more thing. Hey, I'm Brian.
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  How are you, Rob? I am fantastic.
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  Are you fantastic? Yeah, you know what I did today?
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  What did you do today? Because it is a gorgeous fall
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  day. Yeah, I mowed the yard.
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  Well, good. And I begged the leaves.
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  No, you told me that I'm supposed.
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  To mulch when you have lots of leaves, you have to bake them
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  and we. Have you just mow more often?
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  You still, yes, you're killing me with my own theories.
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  Yes, when you have this little bit amount of leaves, yes.
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  But I had lots of leaves so I had to beg them today.
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  So a lot of extra twice as long. I have a lot of trees in my yard
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  though too. Yeah, you do.
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  Yeah, yeah. I do too, but I just mow more
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  often 'cause I'm not gonna beg them anymore.
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  We also work from home. You have more free time.
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  Sure, sure, sure, that's what they call.
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  It right? Yeah.
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  So, you know, my life goal was always to be a successful
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  plumber. Was it really?
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  Yeah. Then I realized it was just a
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  pipe dream. No, seriously, though.
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  But my friend is a professional sleepwalker.
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  He's living the dream. Again with the rib shot.
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  Oh my gosh. That's a 2 fool.
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  You know Halloween is tomorrow. I shut up do.
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  You have any plans? Yeah.
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  We're going to hang out and hand out candy and play some cards.
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  Yes, we are. But other than that, no, I
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  think. We do that every year.
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  Pretty much, yeah. You know, I really, it's 'cause
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  I just, I'm not, I'm not a huge fan of Halloween per se.
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  What does that mean per? Say per say.
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  I mean, I like to watch a scary movie once in a while.
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  Oh no. I like to hand out candy and see
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  the kids in the costumes, but I don't like to dress up or go to
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  parties. We used to go to a neighborhood
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  party every year, you know, It's a lot of fun, yeah.
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  Yeah. Did you dress up?
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  All the time and all the costumes still to this day.
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  I should throw those away, yeah. But yeah, there were always some
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  creative couples costume. Sure.
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  You see, I'm a lazy costume creator, so I just find
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  something stupid. Well, I'm I got the creative
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  side in me. I suppose you are an.
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  Artist So I I create some crazy fun costumes I can see.
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  That I can see that. But I what about scary movies
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  though? You do like scary movies.
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  Oh, I did. When I was young, OK, so I I
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  watched all of them, OK, you know, but now, no way.
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  No, no, I will not sit down and watch a scary movie.
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  No, I have no interest. So.
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  Do you think because back in the 70s eighties they're a little
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  more tame and not as hence as they are now?
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  Maybe cuz now it's more supernatural things and you
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  know, that is more scary to me yeah than just a slasher I.
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  Mean every year they have to up the level of.
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  Course, right up the ante. It's like the original Friday
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  the 13th. I saw that, yeah.
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  And. And at the time, very scary.
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  Yeah, at the time. I've watched it later in life
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  and like, it's kind of funny, kind of campy.
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  Yeah, it's very campy. It takes place at a camp, but.
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  There you go. Thank you.
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  But it's going to be spoiled alert if you know if anyone of
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  this newer generation hasn't seen it.
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  But at the end when his head gets cut off, it was amazing.
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  Yeah, it's 40 years ago if you don't know by now.
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  I know, sucks for you. I thought that was crazy, that.
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  Was crazy Carrie. Carrie.
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  I like. I like Carrie.
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  That was good scary car. It was wasn't a.
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  Car What am I thinking of? Which was a scary car.
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  Christine, Christine, That's right.
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  House close. Carrie is the.
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  Supernatural Girl. Oh, that's right, yeah.
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  The pig blood, Yeah. And then she starts the whole
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  school empire and kills them all.
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  Yeah. It's all coming back now, Yeah.
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  What about it? OK, it Oh, creepy.
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  The first it so when it came out the first time I I watched that
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  scared me. OK, and then I won't watch the
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  second one. The remake.
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  A little too much. Yeah.
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  Too much, yeah. A couple of my favorites.
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  Poltergeist. Poltergeist was good, Yeah.
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  I loved it when the I think it was the walls bled.
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  What? Yeah, when that's when that
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  first came out. Back when we first got cable in
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  HBO, it was on non-stop. So that was kind of my
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  introduction to scary movies. OK, Really.
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  But watch it all the time. OK?
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  Yeah. And you don't back because it
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  was before PG 13 came out. That was a PG rated movie.
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  No. Yeah, go look it up.
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  Really Google it, man. I'm telling it's PG.
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  Wow. Yeah, that should not be PG, but
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  it is. Kind of scary in the Yeah, it's
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  in the rainstorm in the pool, and the skeletons pop up.
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  Yeah. I never really got into the
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  Halloween movies per SE. A theory with that word again.
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  I watched the Halloween movies. Probably quite a few of them
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  actually. You know, back-to-back.
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  Yeah, that's one with Jason, right?
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  Is that the one? No, Jason is in Friday the 13th.
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  What's what's? Mike.
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  Myers, Mike Myers. That's what it is.
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  OK. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  And that was. And Jamie Lee Curtis.
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  'S Jamie Lee Curtis's stardom Sure.
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  Start to fame? Sure.
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  Was that movie? Yeah.
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  Do you ever see the original Exorcist?
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  With what? With Linda Blair, yes.
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  Yes, yeah, that one scared the bejesus out of me.
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  Yeah, yeah, that one is freaky. Supernatural.
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  Yeah. Yeah, that one's freaky.
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  How about Nightmare on Elmstone? I love those.
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  The first couple when they came out, those are awesome, and then
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  they just got old. Yeah, it got old after a while.
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  The first one though, Creepy. Are you talking right?
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  Creepy. Yeah, now the king of scary
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  movies though, right? In my opinion, The Shining, yes.
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  Right. So good.
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  Right? Here's Johnny.
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  And just because to me, that one seems the most realistic.
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  I mean, you're locked in a mountain winter hotel just to
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  basically make sure the light stand and nothing breaks.
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  And that's like that could potentially happen.
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  It truly could. Yeah.
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  Here's a the trivia question. We had a few podcasts back.
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  The name of the hotel do you remember?
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  Ah, yes, 'cause it was in our trivia thing and I yeah, I, I
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  tell me, 'cause it's overlook, overlook.
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  See I. See, you couldn't get it then
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  you can't get it now. Need multiple choice.
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  I am the winner and. Whatever.
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  Yeah, so I've seen them all. Still not a huge horror movie
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  fan though. No, back in the day I watched
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  all of these. But no, today I wouldn't watch
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  them. So do you.
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  Remember a more recent movie called Inception?
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  Yes, I loved Inception. Yes, OK.
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  Did you understand it? Well, I think I did because I
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  knew the premise of it. If you would ask me the how to
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  explain it, I knew what it was. So I think I must have
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  understood it. OK, see I kind of got the basic
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  I've seen a bunch of times. I can never really figure it
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  out, but so I did some digging for this episode and I truly
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  didn't get the overall meaning and purpose of it, So bear with
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  me. It's kind of long, but this
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  explains a ton of what you're watching.
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  OK, All right, So 2010 science fiction film direct, directed by
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  Christopher Nolan. And we know if you don't think
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  about movies, he's a little of a goofball to begin with.
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  He just writes weird, really deeply intense movies across the
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  board. So Leo isn't it, right?
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  And he's Dom Cobb, So he's a skilled extractor who
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  specializes in corporate espionage, infiltrating people's
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  subconscious minds to a shared dreamscape to steal their
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  secrets, right? Sure.
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  Easy, right? But he's also an international a
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  fugitive who's who's unable to return home to his kids because
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  he's wanted for the murder of his wife, Mel.
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  See, I remember that part. I didn't quite catch that the
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  first time I watched it. I understand he was on the run,
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  but I didn't quite understand he was responsible for her murder
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  or at least charged. With it, well, maybe we did
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  know, but maybe it's just a aspect we forgot, right?
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  So, but then also there's this powerful Japanese businessman, I
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  remember that Saito, who offers Cobb a chance at redemption.
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  He wants Cobb to perform the opposite of an extraction, a
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  seemingly impossible task called Inception, which involves
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  planting an idea in someone's mind and making them believe
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  it's their own. Right.
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  OK. So kind of get that.
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  That's sci-fi. Yeah.
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  So Saito wants Cobb to incept the idea in the mindset of his
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  business rival Robert Fisher, to break up his father's powerful
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  company. And if Cobb succeeds, Saito
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  promises to use his influence to clear Cobb's criminal record.
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  OK. And so he assembles a great
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  team. Arthur.
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  Who's the point man who handles the logistics?
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  Adrian, a young and brilliant architect who can design the
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  complex montelayer. Dreamworld.
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  Dreamworld. Sure, I remember her.
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  That's. Juno from Juno.
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  What? Ellen Page.
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  Oh, she's in journal. Way to sidetrack.
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  Good job. That comes to mind because when
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  that movie came out, I was working at Target at the time,
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  and the gal that wrote it wrote the movie at the Crystal Target,
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  like she said, with the food court and sat down and wrote it.
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  All right. And then Eames is the forger who
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  can impersonate people within the dream to manipulate the
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  Target. And then Yousef, he's the
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  chemist, the guy that creates a powerful sedative to allow them
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  to go deep into multiple layers. And that's what lost me was the
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  multiple layers. I understand what they're doing,
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  but I don't get how it works. Right.
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  I think probably I got to understand that because if you
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  watch a movie with me, I talk through the movie and I've got
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  to keep clarification and and talk about what's going on.
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  And so my wife and I will talk back and forth in the movie so
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  we can level set what we're we're.
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  Right, so you're my worst nightmare.
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  We're trying to watch it. Might I might be like shut?
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  The hell up, let me watch the show, I don't want to talk to
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  you and my wife will contest this for watching the show and
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  I'm into it. She asked me a question like, So
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  what do you think about getting this at the grocery store?
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  Like, Oh my God, you're not watching the movie.
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  I don't say that, but in my head I go, that's that's what happens
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  in my head. All right, so back to inception.
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  So the team that plans to enter a three level shared dream with
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  Fisher. OK, OK, kind of get that.
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  But however, throughout the mission, Cobb's own subconscious
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  is is of his deceased wife. Deceased wife Mel and she begins
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  to sabotage their efforts. So mouth projection is a result
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  of Cobb's guilt over her death. OK.
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  Didn't catch any of this. He had previously incepted her
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  with the idea that her world wasn't real, which led her to
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  believe that killing herself was the only way to wake up and
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  return to the real world. Interesting.
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  I don't think I got. Yeah, I didn't catch any of
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  that, so, OK, so now the movie starts to make a lot more sense
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  to me. Sure, OK, right.
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  So as the team goes deeper into Fisher's subconscious, they face
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  increasingly dangerous projections and are forced to
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  improvise. So the deeper they go, the more
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  time is dilated. So a few moments in the real
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  world could be a lifetime in the deeper dream layer.
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  Sure, makes sense. So I.
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  Did get that so like when the car the vans falling off?
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  Off the. Bridge, it seems to last
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  forever. Yeah, because that's like
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  they're what? They're third or fourth level.
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  So that's why it's going so slow.
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  Right, I did get that part right.
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  So the film's climax, then, is a race against time as a team must
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  complete the assumption, confront Cobb's emotional
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  demons, execute a series of time kicks or which are jolts to wake
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  him up to escape the collapsing dream levels.
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  And the final scene leaves audience questioning whether
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  Cobb has finally returned to reality or still trapped in the
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  dream. OK, so the ambiguous ending with
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  Cobb spending his totem atop that only falls in reality has
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  sparked significant discussion among viewers.
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  And I think that's the key point.
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  I spent 2 1/2 hours watching this damn movie.
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  At the end, I'm like, what happened?
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  What what? That's the end, and that's a
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  Christopher Nolan movie. So that probably just had the
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  opportunity to leave it open to have another sequel.
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  Probably. Probably.
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  Or if you ever saw a total recall of Arnold Schwarzenegger,
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  Yes. Is that entire movie a dream?
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  Is he dreaming or is that reality?
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  Well, I'm going to go with reality, but.
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  It could be a dream. The entire movie, entire movie
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  is very ambiguous, right? It is.
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  So it's hard to tell what's real, what's not.
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  And the directors actually talked about that like that's on
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  purpose. OK, that's cool.
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  So I think. Christopher Nolan kind of did
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  the same thing here, just leaving it ambiguous on purpose
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  to. Get people like so You and.
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  Like middle-aged guys like us to talk about it for 10 minutes on
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  a podcast, right? And how many years ago?
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  Was right exactly. So Speaking of movies that
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  center around dreams, OK, we thought we could talk about
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  dreams and the science behind it.
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  Love it. OK, so just a little disclaimer
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  here. This is going to be a lot of
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  reading, so sadly, bear with us. But it'll make sense at the end.
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  I hope so, yeah. So the science of dreams or or
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  neurology or neurology. Or neurology, I'll go with that.
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  Studies how the brain generates dreams during sleep, focusing on
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  functions like memory consolidation, emotional
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  processing, and potentially threat simulations.
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  Right, so modern theory suggests dreams are the brain's way of
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  making sense of random neural activity during R.E.M.
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  Sleep consolidating memories, processing emotions rather than
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  hidden messages. OK.
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  So that's a lot. Have you ever woken up in the
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  morning and you're so mad at your wife because you dreamt
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  something about it? Oh, absolutely, yeah.
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  That's a terrible way to start off a.
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  Day right yeah and you feel so bad if you like 5 minutes later
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  you wake up and you're like what the hell is that I.
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  Don't know why I'm. Mad at you I'm.
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  Mad right? Do you dream a lot, Rob?
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  I do I I think my problem is I don't really remember them.
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  I get I can like right away when I wake up I remember them then 5
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  minutes later it's like hell is weird.
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  You know, I I have a lot of. Dreams about work.
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  Well that's. Is that weird?
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  I don't know. It's what you're processing at
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  the. Time, like current but current
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  jobs and like former jobs, places I haven't worked at in 20
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  years, like just pop back in and I'm like, I'm back at work.
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  Yeah, it's weird. I'll have reoccurring dreams of
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  something you know that might have happened in the past.
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  OK, but usually I don't remember much of my dreams.
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  Are you able to control your dream?
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  Sometimes you have to really get up in the middle of the night
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  and pee. Then I can come back to bed and
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  pick up the dream after. But so you're dreaming about
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  peeing, is what you're saying? No, those are not very.
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  Those are nightmares. Right, you're dreaming about.
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  Peeing. And you wake up and you have
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  peed. That's a nightmare.
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  You know what? When I I, I was, I was I was
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  sick a couple weeks ago and not to get too into personal issues,
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  but I had some diarrhea going on and I I know I have a dream that
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  I woke up in the middle night that did I shat myself.
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  Now I could happen crap run to the bathroom.
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  So that was real. Ohhh yeah.
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  So that begs the question, why do we dream?
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  So there we have some theories and functions of dreams.
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  Got it. And so I think we'll each take
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  turns here. Sounds good.
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  Memory consolidation. Dreams help the brain strengthen
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  memories and information from daily experiences by replaying
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  brain patterns, helping us to learn and.
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  Recall. Really.
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  That's interesting. OK.
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  So it kind of makes sense, right it?
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  Doesn't make sense, you know? Whatever you just happened
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  throughout the day, your brain is playing through those kind
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  of. Playing through and recalling it
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  helping kind of storage in. That, I suppose that's part of
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  storage, right? Makes sense.
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  Memory. Yeah, so.
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  That probably leads to the next one, emotional processing.
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  OK, dreaming may allow us to process and rehearse emotions in
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  a safe imagine context, acting as a form of overnight therapy.
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  Oh, I need overnight. Therapy.
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  So what you're telling me is all the therapists out there and all
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  the people go see therapists, you're just blowing your money
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  because your dreams do it for you for free?
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  Sure. Yeah.
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  That's that's just start dreaming people, right, Because
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  that's going to take care of everything, I'm guessing.
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  That's not the case, but. All right, here's another one.
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  Threat simulation. OK, the threat simulation theory
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  proposes dreams serve an evolutionary purpose by
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  stimulating dangerous situations to enhance our ability to to
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  perceive and avoid real world threats.
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  That's kind of interesting, so. I haven't.
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  I don't know that I've had a lot of threats, situations.
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  Yeah, I don't think so either. Because if I usually I'd really
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  wake up and I'm sweating and right right I sure maybe it has
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  happened. But I'm sure OK, mental
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  housekeeping dreams can be a way for the brain to tidy up,
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  discarding unnecessary information and reinforcing
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  important memories and neural connections.
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  I think I've tidied up too much be.
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  A little too tidy, but I kind of get that too, where it kind of
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  condenses everything and kind of puts it all together.
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  Sure, I get that it makes sense. I hope it works right and
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  another one activation synthesis hypothesis.
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  That's a lot of synthesis. That's a lot of synthesis.
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  The theory suggests dreams are the brains attempt to make sense
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  of random electrical pulses during sleep, weaving them into
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  a narrative. Gotcha.
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  OK. You know what I've been dreaming
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  about? What's that?
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  You guessed it, it's time for a spring green minute.
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  I love it. So it is fall time, so I thought
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  we'd talk really quickly about why do we fertilize in the.
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  Fall. Tell me, Rob, why do we
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  fertilize in the fall? Very.
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  Important. So it's actually how our program
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  is set up at least is we do 6 visits throughout the year.
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  They're about every four to six weeks apart.
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  And I have, I have a few customers who skip round 6 the
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  last visit because I don't need that.
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  It's a waste of time, doesn't do anything you did 5, There's no
• 16:44
  more weeds, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, well, all is true to a
• 16:47
  point. But that last one is probably
• 16:49
  one of the most beneficial ones you can do this October visit,
• 16:52
  at least in Minnesota, because we're, because we're done by
• 16:54
  Halloween typically. Because what it does is it it's
• 16:57
  a slow release nitrogen fertilizer that kind of hangs
• 16:59
  out in the yard. So like right now we're in a
• 17:01
  little bit of a dry spell, not getting a lot of rain.
• 17:03
  So the fertilizer is not doing much, but it will rain at some
• 17:05
  point and or it's just going to snow.
• 17:08
  OK. But having those nutrients
• 17:10
  available right before the lawn goes into winter dormancy is
• 17:13
  great because it strengthens that root system.
• 17:15
  So when you come back out of the spring, your yard comes back
• 17:17
  much stronger, healthier, quicker, greener because you do
• 17:20
  this last visit. OK good.
• 17:22
  So since tomorrow is Halloween, end of October, did I get the
• 17:26
  fertilizer? Absolutely you did.
• 17:27
  Great. Absolutely.
• 17:28
  I'm glad you did that because I don't remember.
• 17:30
  It just automatically happened. So when you have somebody do it
• 17:34
  for you, do it on your own. Don't forget that winterizer
• 17:36
  fertilizer application. It is super important for your.
• 17:38
  Yard, awesome. Thank you.
• 17:39
  Absolutely. All right, here we go So before
• 17:44
  we get into a more detailed discussion about dreams, I want
• 17:46
  to I want to prep this that some of this information comes from
• 17:49
  an article on mprnews.org, my go to site for information that's
• 17:53
  yeah, that kidding. I think I've ever been there
• 17:55
  once in my life, but. Come on, I.
• 17:56
  Trust that that's where it's from.
• 17:57
  It is. True it is from.
• 17:58
  That's where I took it. We have a list that talks about
• 18:01
  dreams, why they happen and what we can do about them.
• 18:03
  So here we go. Awesome.
• 18:06
  All right, number one dreams are not random.
• 18:08
  Really. That's what it says.
• 18:09
  So dream analysis practice. Spending thousands of years
• 18:12
  reveals remarkable commonalities across cultures and time.
• 18:15
  From ancient Egyptian and Chinese dream Diaries to
• 18:17
  accounts from Amazonian anthropologists and surveys of
• 18:21
  modern Americans. Recurring themes emerge.
• 18:24
  For instance, the experiences of being chased or falling are
• 18:27
  almost universally reported. Really.
• 18:29
  I remember being chased. Yeah, yeah.
• 18:31
  They never caught me. I remember falling just a dream.
• 18:34
  I believe I've ever fallen in a dream.
• 18:35
  I fell out of bed. Did you did you actually fall I.
• 18:38
  Truly fell out. Well, there you go.
• 18:42
  Nightmares and erotic dreams are also nearly ubiquitous.
• 18:45
  Interestingly, dreams about mathematics are rare.
• 18:48
  I wonder why math. Is hard.
• 18:51
  This can be attributed to the prefrontal cortex, the brain
• 18:54
  region primarily responsible for logical thought, typically being
• 18:58
  inactive during dreaming. All that makes total sense.
• 19:00
  It does. That that part goes to sleep.
• 19:02
  So it's interesting that people are keeping records from way
• 19:06
  back when on dreams. Yeah.
• 19:09
  You know, it's just so odd to me that they're analyzing all this
• 19:12
  stuff back at that in those days.
• 19:14
  Well, way, way, way, but well before our time.
• 19:17
  Do you wonder if that was part of like they would, you know,
• 19:20
  pray to anytime there's a thunderstorm that the Thunder
• 19:23
  God was coming? Is that maybe their way of just
• 19:25
  praying to the dream God that they're they're projecting their
• 19:28
  future, that they know something they don't know?
• 19:30
  And maybe, like premonitions, I had a dream this is going to
• 19:33
  happen. We should write it down, right?
• 19:35
  Do you think that dives deeper into like sorcery and that sort
• 19:37
  of thing? Oh, is that a whole different?
• 19:39
  Podcast. I think that could be a pun.
• 19:40
  Yeah, right, sorcery. Yeah, it's Halloween.
• 19:44
  It's. Halloween.
• 19:45
  Sorcery. Witches and cauldrons and all.
• 19:48
  That. But we're not.
• 19:49
  No, we're not so #2 our brains are super active when we dream.
• 19:53
  Something fundamental about dreams emerged during the brain
• 19:57
  surgery performed on an awake patient.
• 20:00
  So that's interesting. Scary.
• 20:03
  After numbing the scalp and partially opening the skull, the
• 20:07
  brain itself feels no pain. I think I knew that.
• 20:10
  I think I've heard that too. The surgeon worked meticulously
• 20:13
  on the left temporal lobe, the area typically associate
• 20:17
  associated with language. To avoid damage, the surgeon
• 20:20
  proceeded millimeter by millimeter, stimulating neurons
• 20:25
  and asking the patient to count to 10 at each spot.
• 20:28
  However, the electrical stimulations triggered a
• 20:31
  reoccurring childhood nightmare for the patient.
• 20:35
  So interesting, right? Yeah.
• 20:37
  Subsequently, research has confirmed that both nightmares
• 20:41
  and all other dreams are products of brain activity from
• 20:46
  different measurements of electricity and metabolic usage.
• 20:49
  The sleeping dreaming brain is active.
• 20:53
  It sparks with electricity. We might be asleep, but the
• 20:56
  brain is still moving. I think, and I guess I don't, I
• 20:59
  I'm not positive that obviously I haven't done deep enough
• 21:01
  research, but isn't that when you get into R.E.M. sleep?
• 21:03
  Isn't that when your brain is the most active at any point
• 21:06
  during the day? That's when you're, I believe
• 21:07
  that's when you're dreaming is R.E.M.
• 21:08
  Sleep, because you are the deepest sleep and that's where
• 21:11
  you're the most active, right? But that's when the most active
• 21:13
  part what your brain is when you're in that R.E.M.
• 21:15
  Sleep. And your eyes are moving and
• 21:16
  everything. Yeah, yeah, That's interesting.
• 21:18
  So when you first wake up or while you're drifting off,
• 21:20
  that's the time that's fertile for creativity.
• 21:23
  OK. So Salvador Dali, the surrealist
• 21:25
  painter this is right up your alley, had unique method for
• 21:29
  capturing his thoughts as he drifted off to sleep.
• 21:31
  He would sit in a chair holding a large key directly above his
• 21:35
  plate. As he nodded off, the key would
• 21:36
  fall onto the plate, waking him. He would then immediately sketch
• 21:40
  what he remembered from those fleeting moments of sleep, using
• 21:43
  these insights as inspiration for art.
• 21:45
  Brain imaging studies have since proved support for the idea that
• 21:48
  the transition into sleep can be a source of inspiration.
• 21:51
  Oh, not as a cool fact. That is cool, I know.
• 21:54
  And I was after writing this, I was thinking what?
• 21:57
  Could I do that? Yeah.
• 21:58
  Could I actually be cognizant enough to you wake up and write
• 22:04
  down what I just was thinking at the time, right?
• 22:07
  I don't know if I could. So how does that work, do you
• 22:09
  think, on those nights where you lay in bed for four hours and
• 22:11
  can't fall asleep, but you're constantly running in your mind,
• 22:13
  right? You're constantly thinking of
• 22:15
  things and it's like you want to shut it off and go to sleep.
• 22:18
  And you can't because it keeps coming.
• 22:19
  Yeah. So for those of us who prefer to
• 22:21
  sleep undisturbed, there's another way to harness the power
• 22:23
  of dreams for inspiration. Capture your thoughts in the
• 22:26
  first few minutes after waking. And did I say this earlier
• 22:28
  without even knowing this? That's what I remember my dreams
• 22:30
  like the first 5 minutes, and then 5 minutes later, I totally
• 22:32
  forget. Oh, my gosh, I'm so clairvoyant.
• 22:35
  Before checking the news or social media, simply write down
• 22:38
  what comes to mind. Well, not every idea will be
• 22:40
  brilliant. Like I think minor, the valuable
• 22:43
  insights often emerge from this initial pulse sleep.
• 22:46
  Period. I've heard about this and I've
• 22:48
  always wanted to try to do it because you're right, we do you
• 22:51
  do remember instantly what you might have just dreamt, right?
• 22:56
  And then you're writing it down or just being creative at the
• 22:58
  moment and writing down just whatever random thoughts, right?
• 23:01
  But I have not done it so. That's the point where you're
• 23:03
  mad at your wife for 5 minutes and then you get.
• 23:04
  Over it, sure. Or I realized I have to pee and
• 23:07
  I. Run.
• 23:08
  You run to the bathroom. OK, before nightmares, they
• 23:13
  write a new script. I don't know what that means,
• 23:15
  Let's find out. Occasional stressful events,
• 23:19
  such as a jewelry heist dream, are not typically cause for
• 23:22
  concern. However, if you experience
• 23:25
  reoccurring fearful dreams, imagery rehearsal therapy may be
• 23:29
  helpful. What's that?
• 23:31
  The therapy performed with a therapist involves mapping out
• 23:34
  the dreamscape of a reoccurring nightmare.
• 23:37
  For example, if a patient consistently dreams of explosion
• 23:41
  or plane crash, they would work with the therapist to visualize
• 23:45
  a safe outcome, such as a plane landing successfully or arrive
• 23:49
  or arriving home safely from a drive.
• 23:52
  Over time, and many patients find their nightmares
• 23:54
  transformed. OK, so I guess you're basically
• 23:56
  forcing your dreams or controlling your dreams.
• 23:59
  So they have forcing their. Desired outcome, Yeah, OK, OK, I
• 24:03
  get that. So that makes sense.
• 24:04
  Are you living through that? Maybe you got to work that out?
• 24:07
  I don't know. Sure.
• 24:08
  OK. Now why am I reading this one?
• 24:10
  I don't know, because it's got hard words in it and you're
• 24:13
  better at it than I am. So dreams about cheating are
• 24:15
  normal? Thanks Brian.
• 24:20
  Honey, don't believe everything you hear on a podcast.
• 24:23
  They don't mean that there's something wrong with your
• 24:25
  relationship. You're killing me, dude.
• 24:27
  All right. Surveys revealed that most
• 24:29
  individuals experience erotic dreams.
• 24:31
  Interestingly, for those in your relationship, these dreams
• 24:34
  frequently involve infidelity, regardless of whether the
• 24:37
  relationship is reported as healthy or unhealthy.
• 24:39
  According to one study, however, erotic dreams follow certain
• 24:42
  patterns. When you look at the pattern of
• 24:44
  erotic dreams, the axe seem to be wild, but the characters are
• 24:47
  surprisingly narrow. Celebrities, even family
• 24:50
  members, people you may know. It's a small collection of
• 24:54
  people as a pattern. Researchers theorize that
• 24:57
  dreaming sexually about familiar individuals might be an
• 24:59
  evolutionary adaptation, a brain function designed to encourage
• 25:03
  procreation and enhance the species chance of survival.
• 25:07
  Well, that was a lot. That was a lot it.
• 25:09
  Was a lot to take in, right? There, right?
• 25:11
  And if you have a dream about cheating, do you wake up with
• 25:15
  guilt? I mean, how does that work?
• 25:16
  I don't know. That's weird.
• 25:19
  Yeah. All right.
• 25:20
  Now, the only thing I want to say about that is, you know,
• 25:22
  we've all had erotic dreams. Yeah.
• 25:24
  And when I remember them, the images never have faces.
• 25:29
  Yeah. I don't.
• 25:30
  I would agree. I would agree.
• 25:31
  Or at least none that you remember them.
• 25:32
  Yeah, I don't. Remember them?
• 25:34
  Yeah. It's just like it was just an
• 25:36
  erotic dream. Yeah, but I couldn't tell you,
• 25:39
  right? It was with a certain person or
• 25:42
  right or what or what. I couldn't figure.
• 25:44
  Out. Yeah, You're right.
• 25:45
  You're right. I never thought about that, but
• 25:46
  you're absolutely right. Right.
• 25:47
  That's interesting. All right, let's move on to the
• 25:49
  next one. Please do so.
• 25:51
  Number six, near the end of life dreams can provide comfort.
• 25:55
  OK, well, this is interesting. Yeah.
• 25:57
  Researchers have observed A phenomenon called dreams to the
• 26:00
  rescue, where some patients near the end of their lives
• 26:04
  experience positive dreams of reconciliation and hope even
• 26:08
  admits daily struggles. This prevalence of positive end
• 26:11
  of life dreams have been a surprising discovery.
• 26:15
  Yeah. There is also evidence
• 26:17
  suggesting a final dream may occur at the moment of death.
• 26:21
  After the heart stops, the brain experiences an electrical
• 26:24
  explosion for a minute or two, displaying expansive brain wave
• 26:28
  patterns similar to those seen in dreaming and memory recall.
• 26:34
  Huh. I wonder if that has to do with
• 26:35
  the the bright light. You know, when people dying come
• 26:38
  back to life, is that. Yeah, they they.
• 26:40
  Saw that because the brain. Activity right?
• 26:41
  Sure went insane for this last minute or. 2 Because as, as I
• 26:45
  was reading this and researching this, it there is your brain is
• 26:49
  still alive when your heart stops.
• 26:52
  Yeah. For those few minutes, right?
• 26:54
  Yeah. And so that's to me, extremely
• 26:57
  interesting. Very interesting.
• 26:58
  And how do you analyse and research that I mean?
• 27:01
  You'd have to have like electrodes on you and then you
• 27:05
  die, and that's the only way they could have figured this
• 27:08
  out. How?
• 27:09
  Creepy though. I know, right?
• 27:11
  I'm going to be in the in the. Morgue.
• 27:15
  Be in the morgue waiting to die, right?
• 27:17
  Laying on the table, ready to be pushed into the freezer.
• 27:20
  Right, it's in here. Let's put these electrodes on
• 27:23
  you. Let's see.
• 27:23
  Let's see what. Happens.
• 27:24
  He's gonna go soon. Right, roll the dice.
• 27:27
  Ohh, good word all right. Dreams can be a portal to your
• 27:30
  inner self and mental health. OK, so anxiety dreams are common
• 27:34
  and can be literal, literal, or symbolic.
• 27:37
  Symbolic dreams, especially those with strong emotions and
• 27:39
  imagery, are worth exploring. Research suggests that such
• 27:43
  dreams are vital signs for mental health and offer unique
• 27:45
  insights into oneself. Repeated anxiety dreams in
• 27:49
  particular, warrant attention. OK, so if you're having a lot of
• 27:52
  anxiety in life, you're probably having anxiety dream I would
• 27:55
  guess. Yeah, makes sense.
• 27:56
  Get some help. So some common themes, like
• 27:59
  falling or being chased, can often point to what might be
• 28:01
  happening in your life at the moment.
• 28:03
  So here's a short list of some common dreams and their
• 28:05
  potential interpretations. All right, falling the stream
• 28:09
  can suggest feelings of insecurity or a loss of control
• 28:12
  in your waking life. So when I fell out of bed, it
• 28:15
  could have been a a situation in my life that I felt out of
• 28:18
  control of. That's interesting how that
• 28:22
  correlation works, right? Being chased?
• 28:25
  You might be avoiding a difficult situation in your
• 28:28
  personal life. I kind of get that you're
• 28:30
  avoiding yeah, the the situation is catching up to you, the.
• 28:33
  Situation is catching up to you and you're afraid of it, so
• 28:36
  you're being a chase, that sort of thing.
• 28:38
  I don't know that I have a lot of being chased in dreams.
• 28:41
  I haven't either, yeah. Because we're down to earth,
• 28:44
  kind of. Yeah, pretty much, yeah.
• 28:45
  I mean, again, I'm not great at remembering my dreams, but I
• 28:48
  yeah, I don't think I've ever can recall being chased in a
• 28:51
  dream. I know I'm always running or
• 28:54
  trying to get somewhere fast. Yes, I always, yes I well I'm
• 28:57
  very OCD so I'm very task oriented and even in my dreams
• 28:59
  like I have a mission, I'm working on something, I have to
• 29:03
  solve a problem or fix something so.
• 29:05
  You're part of the inception, probably.
• 29:08
  Yes. Yes, losing teeth.
• 29:11
  This dream often relates to low self esteem, a loss of power, a
• 29:15
  major life change and decisions. Huh.
• 29:18
  Okay, there's not. I don't think I've.
• 29:19
  Never had, no. I never remember losing teeth.
• 29:22
  Yeah. I've never I hadn't heard of
• 29:24
  that previously to writing this. I didn't know that was.
• 29:27
  I didn't either. Yeah, here's one that is common.
• 29:31
  I won't say it's happened to me, it has, but I won't say it's
• 29:33
  happened to me being naked in public.
• 29:35
  You know that might have happened.
• 29:37
  So this is. Or was that a dream?
• 29:39
  I don't, I don't know, right? It all blends.
• 29:41
  This can symbolize vulnerability, a fear of being
• 29:44
  judged or feeling exposed and unprepared.
• 29:47
  OK, so I really must have had this dream because that that
• 29:51
  description is a lot of my history.
• 29:54
  Sure. I wonder if that also ties in if
• 29:56
  someone, I'm not saying this is me by any means, but somebody's
• 30:00
  like an habitual liar and those have to cover their tracks.
• 30:02
  Do you think they would have more?
• 30:04
  This feeling of exposed. Feeling exposed.
• 30:06
  Yeah, right, right. Maybe.
• 30:07
  Maybe. How about flying?
• 30:08
  OK, Pleasant flying dreams can symbolize a sense of freedom,
• 30:12
  control, or personal growth. OK, so you think like flying
• 30:15
  like Superman flying or like flying on a plane?
• 30:17
  I think flying like Superman fly OK, so just.
• 30:19
  Kind of flying through the. Floating.
• 30:20
  Flying. OK, I get that.
• 30:22
  Failing an exam or being late. That's a a dream.
• 30:26
  That that's real. Situation that's that's every
• 30:28
  tree. These dreams often stem from
• 30:31
  performance anxiety, feeling unprepared, or being overwhelmed
• 30:34
  by deadlines. So I can see that.
• 30:36
  I can see that, yeah. Being trapped, this dream may
• 30:40
  suggest feelings of uncertainty about a situation, leaving you
• 30:44
  unsure of the next steps to take.
• 30:47
  I've had being trapped dreams. You have?
• 30:49
  Yeah, OK. They're very scary.
• 30:51
  Really like trapped in in in a car.
• 30:54
  Trapped well room. Sometimes it's like I'd be in a
• 30:57
  room, OK, and I just can't get out.
• 30:59
  I'm constantly trying to find the exit and I can't get out of
• 31:02
  it. Can't find the door.
• 31:03
  Yeah. Yeah, it's not like I'm in a, a
• 31:04
  coffin situation, right? Trapped, you know, or in a tiny
• 31:07
  space trapped. But I'm in some sort of
• 31:09
  situation and I can't get out of it.
• 31:11
  Sure, sure. But water dreams.
• 31:13
  Oh, like peeing like. Peeing water can symbolize
• 31:18
  emotions. For example, a powerful flood
• 31:20
  might represent overwhelming feelings.
• 31:23
  So just like a flood or water rushing in or something like
• 31:26
  that. And I don't know that I've had
• 31:28
  those. I don't.
• 31:28
  Think I have either? What about like having fun on a
• 31:30
  water slide? I don't think you have any
• 31:34
  emotional issues with that. I think they'll be overwhelming.
• 31:36
  I think that's just fun. That's fun, right?
• 31:38
  And another one is vehicles. OK, dreaming about vehicles can
• 31:42
  relate to your worries about the direction in your life.
• 31:46
  Well, see, I, I, I, I dream about the car I want.
• 31:48
  I don't think that's that's true.
• 31:50
  Yeah. You know, worried, worried that
• 31:52
  you're not gonna get that car. Well, I know I'm not.
• 31:53
  I know I'm not gonna get that car.
• 31:55
  I just. You dream of driving that sports
• 31:57
  car. Exactly.
• 31:58
  Letting your hair blow through the wind.
• 32:00
  Oh, wait. Yeah.
• 32:01
  Right, what hair? Thanks.
• 32:04
  Hey but do you ever feel more tired after you wake up because
• 32:07
  you were dreaming all night? Sometimes, yeah, you, just like
• 32:09
  you did not get a restful night, right?
• 32:11
  Yeah, I've, I've heard that before where you, you know, you
• 32:13
  slept for 8 or 9 hours, but you wake up and you're just halfway
• 32:15
  through the day. You're like, I could use a nap.
• 32:17
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 32:17
  Is that because you're dreaming all night and you didn't get
• 32:21
  restful sleep? That's usually happens to me on
• 32:24
  Sunday afternoons about the third quarter of the Vikings
• 32:26
  game, where they're just playing like crap.
• 32:27
  Yeah, but that's not a cause of your dreams.
• 32:29
  That's the cause of that particular team not playing
• 32:32
  well. Caused my nightmare on that
• 32:34
  Sunday afternoon. I tell you this is our year.
• 32:37
  I say that every year. So feeling tired after a dream
• 32:41
  is common and can be attributed to several factors.
• 32:44
  During REM sleep when dreams occur, your brain is highly
• 32:47
  active, consuming significant energy.
• 32:50
  This intense activity can lead up to a build up of drowsiness
• 32:53
  inducing chemicals. OK.
• 32:56
  So another reason for upholstery and fatigue is waking up mid to
• 32:58
  dream cycle, which can result in sleep inertia, a temporary state
• 33:02
  of disorientation and grogginess.
• 33:04
  OK, makes sense. Additionally, your overall sleep
• 33:06
  quality, the intensity of the dream itself, or even an
• 33:08
  underlying medical issue could contribute to feeling tired
• 33:11
  after dreaming. Oh, interesting.
• 33:14
  And after all the streaming, I just want a good night's sleep.
• 33:16
  Oh yeah, right, let's take a nap.
• 33:18
  Sleep is an indispensable part of human health and well-being.
• 33:22
  It supports physical and mental functioning, reducing this risk
• 33:26
  of chronic disease, and improves overall quality of life.
• 33:31
  Man, that's a lot. Yeah, I need a nap.
• 33:33
  I need a nap. That's a lot.
• 33:35
  Yeah. All right.
• 33:36
  I think we pretty much covered that.
• 33:37
  Did we answer any questions? I think so.
• 33:39
  I think. I think I learned something.
• 33:41
  Right, and I'm looking forward to trying to remember my dream
• 33:44
  tonight. Yeah, you should write them
• 33:45
  down. I am so not going to do that.
• 33:47
  You should put a notebook and a pen next to your bed and I'll do
• 33:51
  the same. Sure.
• 33:52
  And then when we wake up, we'll write down and we'll compare
• 33:54
  notes. Sure.
• 33:55
  All right. I'll do that.
• 33:56
  You're not going to do it. I'm.
• 33:57
  Not going to. Do that.
• 33:58
  Come on. I could just use my phone and
• 34:00
  take a note in it, but that. Bright light wakes you up then I
• 34:02
  know. I'm already awake.
• 34:05
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  highlights and news of our upcoming shows.
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  And if you have a show idea for us or just want to give us some
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  feedback, shoot us an e-mail to Owen.
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  One more thing pod at Gmail. We would love to hear from you.
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  Plus we have some new merchandise if you're
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  interested, T-shirts and caps. Just send us an e-mail.
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  They're. All their age.
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  Oh, and one more thing, even if we don't remember them, dreams
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  can leave traces, lifting our moods, sparking creativity, or
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  nudging us to think about something we've been ignoring.
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  A good dream can inspire an idea.
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  A bad one can leave us unsettled all day.
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  Either way, they act like the behind the scenes editor,
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  shaping how we feel, what we focus on, and even how we solve
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  problems. Dreams of the bridge between our
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  sleeping mind and waking life. Sometimes confusing, sometimes
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  inspiring, but always a reflection of what's happening
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  inside us. That's.
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  Cool. That's very cool.
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  Bye everyone, bye. I hope.
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  I dream of winning the lottery tonight.
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  Me. Too, brother.