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#47 The Parade to the Cross · Deep-Grace Diving with Tim Wright and Terey Summers

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  SPEAKER_01: Hey everyone, it's the Deep Grace Diving Podcast.
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  SPEAKER_01: Tim Wright, Terry Summers, and John Burgess.
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  SPEAKER_03: Hello.
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  SPEAKER_01: And today as we continue our Bible study looking at the Gospel of Mark,
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  SPEAKER_01: we turn now to the final week of the life of Jesus,
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  SPEAKER_01: where he rides into Jerusalem on Sunday,
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  SPEAKER_01: hailed as king,
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  SPEAKER_01: and by Friday he is nailed to the cross.
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  SPEAKER_01: And we're going to start looking at what went wrong.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so today is one of those kind of upbeat stories.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: But believe it or not,
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  SPEAKER_01: Friends,
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  a lot of political intrigue in this little story that helps
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  explain in part why the
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  SPEAKER_01: Romans wanted Jesus crucified.
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  So Terry is going to,
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  we flipped the coin and Terry's going to read for us this week.
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  SPEAKER_01: What?
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  SPEAKER_01: Excellent.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I know.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's only happened six times in a row.
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  SPEAKER_01: So she's reading.
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  SPEAKER_01: We are doing Mark chapter 11, verses 1.
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  SPEAKER_01: through 11,
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  SPEAKER_01: what we call Palm Sunday,
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  SPEAKER_01: which we,
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  SPEAKER_01: depending on when you're listening to this,
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  SPEAKER_01: we just celebrated it not too long ago.
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  SPEAKER_01: All right.
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  SPEAKER_01: Take it away, Terry.
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  SPEAKER_02: Alrighty.
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  As Jesus and his disciples approached Jerusalem,
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  they came to the towns of Bethphage.
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  SPEAKER_02: Is that how you say it, Tim?
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: And Bethany on the Mount of Olives.
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  SPEAKER_02: Jesus sent two of them on ahead.
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  SPEAKER_02: Go into that village over there, he told them.
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  As soon as you enter it,
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  you will see a young donkey tied there that no one has ever ridden.
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  SPEAKER_02: Untie it and bring it here.
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  SPEAKER_02: If anyone asks, what are you doing?
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  SPEAKER_02: Just say, the Lord needs it and will return it soon.
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  The two disciples left and found the colt standing in the
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  street tied outside the front door.
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  As they were untying it,
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  some bystanders demanded,
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  what are you doing untying that colt?
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  They said what Jesus told them to say,
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  and they were permitted to take it.
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  Then they brought the colt to Jesus and threw their garments
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  over it,
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  and he sat on it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Many in the crowd spread their garments on the road ahead of him,
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  SPEAKER_02: and others spread leafy branches they had cut in the fields.
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  Jesus was in the center of the procession and the people all
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  around him were shouting,
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  SPEAKER_02: praise God.
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  SPEAKER_02: Blessings on the one who comes in the name of the Lord.
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  SPEAKER_02: Blessings on the coming kingdom of our ancestor David.
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  SPEAKER_02: Praise God in the highest heaven.
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  SPEAKER_02: So Jesus came to Jerusalem and went into the temple.
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  After looking around carefully at everything,
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  he left because it was late in the afternoon.
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  SPEAKER_02: Then he returned to Bethany with the 12 disciples.
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  SPEAKER_01: Very good.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: Before we dive too deeply into the story,
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  SPEAKER_01: let's kind of see,
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  SPEAKER_01: John,
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  SPEAKER_01: we'll start with you because Terry read it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Let's just start with you.
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  As you read this,
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  what are some things that stand out to you in this story?
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, I mean, it's remarkable, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: That Jesus is like essentially go steal this, but I'll return it later.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's never been written.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it just kind of all works out.
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  SPEAKER_00: And people are like, the Lord needs it and we'll return it soon.
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  SPEAKER_00: And people are like, yeah, okay, that sounds reasonable to me.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's all incredibly remarkable.
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  I also sort of feel a little bit of impending doom as I'm
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  reading through it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um,
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  SPEAKER_00: even as,
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  SPEAKER_00: as he's surrounded by crowds,
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm like,
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  SPEAKER_00: yeah,
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  SPEAKER_00: I,
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  SPEAKER_00: I,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't think this is going the way you think it's going to go.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um,
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  SPEAKER_00: and you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: there's even a little bit of me that's like,
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  SPEAKER_00: Hey,
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  SPEAKER_00: yeah,
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  SPEAKER_00: that's,
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  SPEAKER_00: let's,
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  SPEAKER_00: this sounds good,
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  SPEAKER_00: but let's do it this way instead.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then,
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  SPEAKER_00: um,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm just curious about the temple inspection,
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  SPEAKER_00: um,
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  SPEAKER_00: that was,
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  SPEAKER_00: and then they got untimely.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it was time to head back to Bethany.
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  SPEAKER_01: Totally.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Just a couple of comments and I'll come to you, Terry.
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  When I was a kid and I would read that first part of the story
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  where Jesus said,
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  SPEAKER_01: Hey,
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  SPEAKER_01: just go over to this village and tell this guy that I want a donkey.
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  I thought,
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  wow,
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  that's just kind of,
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  how did Jesus know that all of that was going to happen?
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  SPEAKER_01: Of course, now we understand Jesus pre-planned it all.
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  SPEAKER_01: So this is an intentional act by Jesus that,
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  SPEAKER_01: To begin to say something about who he is.
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  And the expectations of what the people see versus what Jesus
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  wants them to see,
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  SPEAKER_01: of course,
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  SPEAKER_01: are going to be radically different.
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  SPEAKER_01: Just remember his context.
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  A couple weeks ago,
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  we looked at that story about the blind man who was able to see again.
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  SPEAKER_01: And part of the purpose for that story is to say,
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  SPEAKER_01: open your eyes to see who Jesus is in this next part of the story.
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  SPEAKER_01: Jesus is being very intentional here.
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  SPEAKER_01: He has set up Palm Sunday.
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  And then he understands the consequences of what's going to
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  happen as he puts into
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  SPEAKER_01: motion the events of the final week,
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  SPEAKER_01: the Holy Week,
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  SPEAKER_01: as we call it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Terry.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: What do you see?
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  Well,
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  in my Bible app,
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  it heads up this section by using Jesus's triumphant entry.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_02: So that obviously sticks out to me.
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  And as many times as I've heard this story,
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  I know that word has been used.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yet...
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  yet it's a donkey and that doesn't feel as triumphant,
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  you know what I mean?
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  SPEAKER_02: Or as grand.
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  And then I do have some curiosities and maybe it was part of
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  history or something
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  SPEAKER_02: going on,
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  SPEAKER_02: but the laying down of the branches must have some history to it.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I am someone that kind of does take things without questioning.
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  SPEAKER_02: However, I've always wondered
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  SPEAKER_02: like back in my head about that popping in and checking out the,
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  SPEAKER_02: the temple,
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  SPEAKER_02: but then oops,
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  SPEAKER_02: got to go,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know,
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  SPEAKER_02: like,
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  SPEAKER_02: like there had like,
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  SPEAKER_02: that's doesn't seem just sort of coincidental or,
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  SPEAKER_02: or just a by-product of on their way somewhere,
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  SPEAKER_02: but maybe,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know,
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm sure I,
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  SPEAKER_02: I,
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  SPEAKER_02: I might not have the whole picture,
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  SPEAKER_02: but I am curious,
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  SPEAKER_02: John,
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  SPEAKER_02: about something that you said,
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  SPEAKER_02: When you said, yeah, maybe.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, first of all, what about it?
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm just curious as your friend.
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  What about it makes you feel a little bit nervous that this is
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  not might not go the right way?
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  SPEAKER_02: Are you doing that just hindsight?
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  SPEAKER_02: And now you're seeing things or what?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, I think I just read a forward in the story a little bit.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I know that the donkey is.
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  SPEAKER_00: The donkey is part of a prophecy, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: So,
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  and it was the savior of Israel will ride in on a donkey and
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  all of these people
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  are cheering and we've got the palm branches and they're
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  throwing their garments down.
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  SPEAKER_00: And there's this sort of sense of finally,
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  SPEAKER_00: like the king who's gonna conquer all on our behalf is here.
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  SPEAKER_00: And they just,
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  the impending sort of uneasiness is that Jesus is not there for
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  what they think
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  SPEAKER_00: he's there for.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: All right.
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  SPEAKER_02: But in the moment, I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_02: I was thinking like,
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  SPEAKER_02: wow,
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  I'm thick because I think I've I've even though I know the deal
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  as I read the story,
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  SPEAKER_02: I can't I other than those curious things I I mentioned,
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  SPEAKER_02: I am excited as well.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like I am.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: I am blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.
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  SPEAKER_02: Hosanna, Hosanna.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, I'm bopping my head.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
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  SPEAKER_02: So anyway.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So Terry, you remember all those years ago?
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  SPEAKER_00: But Tim, this is... Hold on, Tim.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I think this is important,
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  SPEAKER_00: what you just said,
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  because there is a part of all of us that want what the
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  Israelites are doing here.
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  There's a part of us that want the returning king in the way
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  that they understood
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  SPEAKER_00: the returning king would be.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: It happened today.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean,
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  we just did an episode on Rwanda and the beauty of Rwanda and
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  some of the horror in
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  SPEAKER_00: their history.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, hey, someone needs to fix this, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: So...
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  There's an internal struggle that includes injustice that I
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  think all of us want.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Terry's going to say,
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  remember those days back at Joy when we did Palm Sunday and we
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  used Celebrate by
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  SPEAKER_01: Cool and the Gang?
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  SPEAKER_02: And my brother sang it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean,
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  SPEAKER_02: only we,
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean like that's so when I was honoring you for your retirement,
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean,
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  SPEAKER_02: that was your thing,
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  SPEAKER_02: but it's true.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, that's what I feel like.
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  SPEAKER_02: I love Holy week,
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  but I love the journey of it because I do get on with the story
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  of throw my palm
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  SPEAKER_02: branches out,
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  SPEAKER_02: but I know what's coming,
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  SPEAKER_02: but I still do hop on.
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  So a couple of things,
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  just as a reminder,
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  I've titled this,
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  The Parade to the Cross.
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  SPEAKER_01: So there's a foreshadowing here.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's triumphal entry is correct in the moment, but it turns bad quickly.
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  SPEAKER_01: And just to touch on your question about the temple,
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  SPEAKER_01: it's gonna play an important role because he goes there the next day.
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  SPEAKER_01: So what we're gonna see this week
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  SPEAKER_01: is that in many ways,
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  what he does here on Palm Sunday is a subversive political act
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  against the Roman government.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then when he goes into the temple,
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  it's a subversive act against the organized religion of the
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  Judeans and what they
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  SPEAKER_01: were doing to the temple.
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  SPEAKER_01: And both of those acts,
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  what he does on Palm Sunday and what he does in the temple
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  become the two main acts
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  SPEAKER_01: of Jesus,
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  SPEAKER_01: both intentional,
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  SPEAKER_01: that's set into motion,
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  then everything else that's going to happen in terms of the
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  rest of the Holy Week.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, go ahead.
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  SPEAKER_02: You're probably going to go there.
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  SPEAKER_02: Go ahead.
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  SPEAKER_02: Never mind.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we're going to do the temple next week.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_02: But they act against the government.
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  SPEAKER_02: Can you flesh that out a little bit?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to do that for you.
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  SPEAKER_01: First of all, just as John had mentioned that this is a prophecy,
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  SPEAKER_01: That came from Zechariah 9, verse 9.
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  SPEAKER_01: And using the New Living Translation, this is from the Gospel of Matthew.
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  SPEAKER_01: Tell the people of Israel, look, your king is coming to you.
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  SPEAKER_01: He is humble, riding on a donkey, riding on a donkey's colt.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now, again, remember, Jesus intentionally sets this up.
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  So a lot of times we'll look at a story like that and we'll say
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  Jesus fulfilled prophecy.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes,
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  SPEAKER_01: he fulfilled prophecy,
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  but Jesus knew the prophecy and intentionally rode that donkey
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  into Jerusalem to
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  SPEAKER_01: make a point.
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  SPEAKER_01: So Jesus here is up to something.
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  SPEAKER_01: And we always want to keep that.
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  SPEAKER_01: These are not events that are just happening around Jesus.
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  SPEAKER_01: Jesus is the actor here.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so when he tells everybody to go, he knows it's going to be there.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  So when it says,
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  go into the village over there,
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  you're going to see a young donkey tied there.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, how would he know that?
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, because he's seen it.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm guessing that this person that owned the donkey colt
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  SPEAKER_01: Is a follower of Jesus.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: And one of the big circle of followers.
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  SPEAKER_01: And Jesus.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, hey, I walked by your house the other day.
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  SPEAKER_01: I noticed such and such.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'd really like to borrow that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Got it.
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  SPEAKER_01: On Sunday.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to do a Palm Sunday thing to set up the crucifixion and Easter.
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  SPEAKER_01: What do you think?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Obviously not quite like that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: So he sets it up.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now, why is this a political statement?
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  SPEAKER_01: So here's what I want you to imagine.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Passover.
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  was one of the most volatile times in the year in terms of the
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  Roman Empire and
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  SPEAKER_01: their rule over Jerusalem and over Israel.
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  Passover is a time when everybody who possibly can crams into
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  Jerusalem to
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  SPEAKER_01: celebrate the Passover.
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  The Passover is the celebration of God throwing off the
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  oppressive power of Egypt.
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  SPEAKER_01: where they were enslaved.
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  So you've got all of these Jewish people who are celebrating
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  how their God freed
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  SPEAKER_01: them from the oppression of the tyrannical rule of Egypt.
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  SPEAKER_01: They're gathering in Jerusalem under the tyrannical oppression of Rome.
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  right right so the last thing that you want when you are
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  oppressing people is for
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  them to get together and have a celebration of the last time
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  someone oppressed them
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  and god freed them because it stirs up hope it stirs up perhaps
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  violence as people
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  SPEAKER_01: say maybe today's the day yeah that's the context okay makes sense so
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  SPEAKER_01: So around this time, Rome would flex its muscle.
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  And Rome would ride in in power with the commander or maybe
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  even the governor
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  SPEAKER_01: riding into Jerusalem around that time on a horse.
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  SPEAKER_01: The horse was known as the animal of war.
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  SPEAKER_01: Ride your horses into war.
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  SPEAKER_01: The commander,
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  SPEAKER_01: the governor,
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  SPEAKER_01: whoever is riding that horse is surrounded by the military might of Rome.
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  SPEAKER_01: Comes riding in.
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  SPEAKER_01: They've got their swords out.
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  SPEAKER_01: They've got their shields ready.
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  SPEAKER_01: They are marching in intentionally to say, we are in control here.
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  SPEAKER_01: We have the power here.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're here to impose our will on you.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's the first parade they see
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  SPEAKER_01: one of political power and might.
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  SPEAKER_01: Jesus mocks them with a parade of his own.
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  He rides on a donkey,
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  which is a symbol,
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  which is a beast of burden and or a beast of peace.
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  SPEAKER_01: And rather than military might,
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  He's got regular,
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  ordinary,
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  everyday,
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  oppressed people waving palm branches at him.
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  SPEAKER_01: Not swords, not spears, palm branches.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now,
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  SPEAKER_01: the waving of palm branches,
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_01: Terry,
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_01: to your point,
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_01: was a way to honor someone in that culture.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_01: It was a way of honoring.
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  SPEAKER_01: This person is significant.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_01: This person is a king, for example.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 15:38
  So in some ways,
• 15:39
  what Jesus is doing is he is mocking the Roman government.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_03: Mm-hmm.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_01: But he's also saying something significant about the kingdom of God.
• 15:48
  The Roman Empire uses political strength,
• 15:55
  military might,
• 15:57
  and tyranny to oppress.
• 16:01
  The kingdom of God uses the power of service,
• 16:06
  compassion,
• 16:08
  healing,
• 16:09
  and sacrifice.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_01: And ultimately, that will prove to be the stronger power.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_01: So the donkey of Jesus will defeat the steed of the Roman Empire.
• 16:23
  The palm branches of Palm Sunday will defeat the swords of the
• 16:27
  Roman Empire.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_01: The cross of Jesus will defeat the tyrannical power of the Roman Empire.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_01: And so Jesus here is intentionally setting up several things at once.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_01: First of all,
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_01: he's saying to the people,
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_01: yes,
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_01: in a way,
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_01: the kingdom of God has come,
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_01: but not in the way you expect.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_01: Keep your eyes open.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_01: And secondly, he's saying to Rome, this is what power looks like.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_01: And hopefully this power will one day win you over as well,
• 17:00
  which of course it does when the Roman emperor becomes a
• 17:03
  Christian under Constantine.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_01: So Jesus here is doing something both theological,
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_01: biblical for the Jewish people,
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_01: but tweaked,
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_01: and then political.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_01: And that will set in motion,
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_01: in part,
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_01: why the Roman government will want to put him on the cross.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_01: Because he has essentially equated himself with a Caesar,
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_01: and in a sense mocked Caesar by a similar march,
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_01: parade,
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_01: but done in a radically different way.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 17:38
  So who does this Jewish guy think he is that he's going to take
• 17:41
  on the might of
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_01: Rome riding on a donkey?
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_01: And six days later, seven days later, he has a surprise for him.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_03: Wow.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_01: So that's some of the undercurrent of what's happening.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_02: That is, um, you know, uh,
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_02: As the days roll out,
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_02: I always wonder,
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_02: because this gives such a clarity of possible insight,
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_02: not more than possible,
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_02: of where Jesus was in his mind.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_02: But then I also think,
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_02: so this has such intention and stuff behind it,
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_02: as you've explained it and made it clear.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you so much.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_02: But then I also go to...
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_02: Thursday night when he's in Gethsemane.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_02: And he's, you know, it's almost like all that had to, oh, I have chills.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_02: All that had to happen to get there.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_02: Then Thursday night,
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_02: he's saying,
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_02: God,
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_02: if you can change your mind on this,
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_02: I would appreciate it.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_02: That's the part that's so human and like,
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_02: uh,
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_02: resonates with me yet at Sunday,
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_02: he's like,
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_02: we're going to do this.
• 19:01
  We're going to,
• 19:02
  here's,
• 19:03
  and it's very bold hearing,
• 19:05
  hearing explained that way.
• 19:07
  You know,
• 19:07
  the child version of me was in the party of it,
• 19:10
  you know,
• 19:10
  still am a little bit.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_02: I am like that, but, um, whoo, whoo boy.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_00: And again, that's a great point.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_01: In the moment, in the moment, because we know the rest of the story.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 19:27
  In the moment,
• 19:27
  for a lot of people,
• 19:29
  this was a great moment of hope for the Jews.
• 19:32
  This is the guy who is going to come in and he's going to take
• 19:35
  back Israel for us.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_01: He's going to take back Jerusalem for us.
• 19:38
  Somehow,
• 19:38
  in some way,
• 19:39
  this guy is going to displace the Roman Empire for us.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_02: So even in him riding in on a donkey, they're getting that?
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because it was a prophecy.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_01: Your king is coming.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_01: So they would have seen him as entering Jerusalem as their king.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_02: No matter what he came in on.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_01: Well, because he was coming in on that particular horse or donkey.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_01: Because it fulfilled the scripture.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_01: Prophecy so clearly.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_01: I'm with you.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_02: So their cheers really are so grounded in that hope.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_01: Well, they're getting ready for the Passover.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_01: So they're getting ready for this story of greed from the oppressor.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_01: Here's a guy riding in on a donkey,
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_01: just like the Old Testament prophet said,
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_01: who's going to be our king and reestablish the kingdom.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_01: You put those two things together?
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, my goodness.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_00: Now,
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_00: Tim,
• 20:39
  you said that I want to click on something that you said in the
• 20:42
  beginning about
• 20:43
  Jesus and setting up the prophecy and have you bring that out a
• 20:46
  little bit more.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_00: Because,
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_00: when I watch TV shows about prophecy,
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_00: non-Christian prophecy,
• 20:53
  what happens is a guy walks out of his house and before he gets
• 20:57
  into the car,
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_00: the clouds part,
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_00: the sun shines down and all of a sudden he's clothed in ancient armor and
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_00: He's, you know, I mean, it's not up to him.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_00: It's just because it's, quote, prophecy, he almost stumbles into it.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_00: Despite himself, right?
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_00: So all good TV shows are like, well, I don't want this prophecy.
• 21:16
  And they're like,
• 21:16
  well,
• 21:17
  you're the guy with the prophecy and then great things happen.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_00: So what do you mean when you say he's setting this up?
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_00: Does it mean,
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_00: I mean,
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_00: he didn't walk in to town with the donkey and tie it up and say,
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_00: hey,
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_00: look,
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_00: one of my guys are going to come by.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_00: They're going to say this.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_00: And then the donkey goes,
• 21:30
  you're just saying that he's intentional about how he's
• 21:35
  approaching the city
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_00: because he knows,
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_00: he understands that he's the fulfillment of the prophecy.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, yes.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_01: So I'll just say it again, because it is kind of complicated.
• 21:49
  I do think that Jesus was the fulfillment of the Old Testament
• 21:54
  hopes and dreams of
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_01: the one who would come and reestablish the kingdom of David.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: So we have prophecies of Jesus,
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_01: what he's going to look like,
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_01: where he's going to be born,
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_01: what he's going to do.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_01: Even when you look back now at the prophecies of Isaiah,
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_01: his form of death,
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_01: or that he would die.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_01: We see all that now through the lens of Jesus.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not sure that in the moment...
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_01: they're all thinking, wow, there's a checklist.
• 22:25
  I've got 17 things that say the Messiah will meet this criteria
• 22:28
  and they're going
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_01: through a checklist.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_01: I think they did it after the fact.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_01: And they look back on the story of Jesus.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, of course.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_01: Lloyd was right there.
• 22:37
  But I do think in this particular case,
• 22:42
  Jesus isn't just the fulfillment of prophecy.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_01: Jesus knows there's a prophecy out there in Zechariah
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_01: about the king riding into Jerusalem on a donkey.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_01: And he decides, I'm going to set that thing up.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to do that thing.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm going to set into motion a couple different things.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_01: One,
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_01: Jewish hope,
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_01: so that they can begin to see who I am,
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_01: really who I am,
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_01: over the course of these next seven days.
• 23:14
  But also,
• 23:16
  I've got to set in motion this confrontation with the Roman Empire.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_03: Mm-hmm.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_01: Because only the Roman Empire can crucify him.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_01: Jews can't.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_01: So he has got to come into conflict with not just the Jewish leaders.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_01: He's coming into conflict with cosmic powers.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_01: in a sense, represented by the Roman Empire.
• 23:42
  He's coming into conflict with oppressive regimes,
• 23:46
  with systems that debase people.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_01: The Roman Empire represents all of that.
• 23:53
  And so it's not just this battle between Jesus and some
• 23:57
  religious leaders.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_01: It's this battle between Jesus and any oppressive system.
• 24:02
  And then Paul later makes it even cosmic,
• 24:05
  the cosmic powers,
• 24:07
  whatever those are.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_01: All of that in the cross.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_01: But Jesus is intentionally setting up this moment.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_01: So I think it's a little different than Jesus being born in Bethlehem.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's a fulfillment of prophecy.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_01: Jesus doing that, oh, that's a fulfillment of prophecy.
• 24:23
  I think Jesus intentionally understood this particular prophecy
• 24:27
  and used it to set
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_01: into motion who he is,
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_01: what kind of Messiah is going to be.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_02: Well,
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_02: just by giving them the instructions,
• 24:34
  that kind of says a lot right there because he knew what to
• 24:38
  tell them to go look for.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, like that had some specificity to it.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_01: And we're going to see this again when he sets up for the Last Supper.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_01: it didn't just happen.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_01: He had intentionally set it up.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_01: He said, Hey, so-and-so has already set up.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_01: They've set up a room for us.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_01: You just let them know the master does have the same feel.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't even think about that.
• 24:59
  And it may be that he had to do it covertly like this because
• 25:02
  people were watching him.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_01: People are not watching him.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_01: And so maybe on the sly, he's saying, look, I know you got this donkey.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to send some guys over.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_01: In a couple of days, they're going to ask you for it.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_01: That means it's time.
• 25:16
  Just let them take it because I got something I got to do with
• 25:19
  your donkey.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_01: You'll get it back.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_01: I'm guessing that that donkey became pretty famous.
• 25:25
  And if I were that guy,
• 25:26
  if I were that guy,
• 25:27
  I would be selling tickets to see it.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, this is the donkey Jesus road.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_01: Donkey ride.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_01: 40 years later.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_01: Last one was white.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_01: This one's brown.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_01: But yes, same donkey.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_01: So,
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_01: yeah,
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_01: I think in this case,
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_01: Jesus understood the prophecy and intentionally fulfilled it,
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_01: used it,
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_01: and then in the process fulfilled it.
• 25:55
  And in some ways,
• 25:57
  I wonder if we could say the same thing about the cross.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_01: Because the cross, Isaiah 53 talks about the suffering servant.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_01: We now understand that through the lens of Jesus to be Jesus.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_01: But is it possible that Jesus could have at some point said, I'm out.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_01: I can't do it.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 26:25
  So,
• 26:27
  you know,
• 26:27
  that raises all kinds of different questions that we won't go into.
• 26:30
  But when a prophecy is made,
• 26:33
  does that mean it's got to be fulfilled or...
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_01: This is where God is headed.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_01: And this is God's intent.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_01: This is God's plan.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_01: But maybe a person could decide not to do that.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_01: So that's a podcast for some smarter people.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_02: Well, when Pilate said, are you...
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_02: the son of God.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_02: And yeah,
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_02: because I am,
• 26:59
  I mean like right there could have been maybe one of the last
• 27:02
  ditch efforts to like,
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_02: or say,
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_02: but it wasn't it pretty much a done deal after that.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_01: Well,
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_01: and again,
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_01: part of what we want to look at is not,
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_01: was Jesus manipulated to this by prophecy,
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_01: but Jesus was called into this by his love for humanity.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_01: And by his desire to, to carry out the will of the father.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_01: So this is all about the volition of Jesus, the heart of God.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_01: It's not about prophecies forcing a particular storyline.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_01: Although the prophecies gave clues to it.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_01: Correct.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_01: And it's a very interesting dance, right?
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_01: Because you don't want to say, well, fate forced it to happen.
• 27:51
  Jesus had no choice in the matter because if Jesus had no
• 27:54
  choice in the matter,
• 27:56
  then was it really an act of love yeah at some point jesus has
• 28:01
  to choose to love us
• 28:03
  yeah so um yeah i think the prophecies are all interesting but
• 28:08
  again i think those
• 28:09
  prophecies all it's when you look back yeah they were sitting
• 28:13
  there in the midst of
• 28:14
  it and saying oh yeah oh look look look look it was all as they
• 28:17
  look back on the
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_01: stories oh yeah okay that makes some sense
• 28:21
  And you see that especially in Matthew's gospel,
• 28:24
  because Matthew is writing to Jewish people.
• 28:26
  And so Matthew,
• 28:27
  more than the other ones,
• 28:28
  will call back to certain prophecies.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_01: Where Mark here, he didn't really do that on this story.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_01: I brought it up, but I don't think Mark even mentions that.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_01: That it was a fulfillment of prophecy.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_01: Mark just tells the story.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 28:44
  So if you didn't know it was a prophecy,
• 28:46
  you wouldn't know it was a prophecy.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_01: Now that's probably the deepest thing I've ever said.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_02: Right there.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_02: That is a bumper sticker.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, there is, it is what it is.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_01: No, no.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_01: If I don't, if I didn't know that I knew this, I wouldn't know it.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_01: Just live with that one for a while because that is what it is.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_00: So that's it for today.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_01: That's for you, Jan.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_00: So are you going to touch on the temple inspection at the end?
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_00: Is there something?
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_01: I think, I think, yeah, I think basically it's setting up the next story.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, okay.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_01: Cause I think I'll check this out,
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_01: but I think in some of the gospel stories,
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_01: he gets off of that donkey and goes right into the temple.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_02: And there's no, oops, I'm running late.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_01: So I'll check that out.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_01: But if my memory serves, I think that's correct.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's just setting up the next story.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_01: So now we sort of, you know, serve notice on Rome.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_01: Next,
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_01: he's got to go sort of tweak the religious leaders,
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_01: not because he's angry with them,
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_01: but he wants to say something about who God really is.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 29:55
  And the misuse sometimes of our religion in the name of God,
• 30:00
  which happens a lot.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_01: So that'll be in the next story, and then that will set us on our way.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's a lot of stories, by the way, in this week that we'll look at.
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  SPEAKER_01: So we're going to be in this week for a while,
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  SPEAKER_01: which is interesting because I believe The Chosen,
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  SPEAKER_01: which is a series we all like,
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  SPEAKER_01: I think.
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  SPEAKER_01: I like.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if Terry's seen it yet.
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  SPEAKER_01: No, I like it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh, because Terry doesn't watch stuff like that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yes, I like it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Good.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I think I read, because they were going to do seven series,
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  SPEAKER_01: And I think this is season five.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think the whole season is just this last week.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then I think season six is the last day.
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  I think they're going to spend a whole season on the crucifixion,
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  I think.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then the seventh day will be the resurrection.
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  SPEAKER_01: So again, we started this a long time ago.
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  The gospel of Mark,
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  as is true of all the gospels,
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  everything up to Palm Sunday is prelude.
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  SPEAKER_01: The story is,
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  SPEAKER_01: is from Palm Sunday to the resurrection.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's the story.
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  SPEAKER_01: Everything else sort of sets the stage.
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  SPEAKER_01: So they're building toward this moment and we finally entered into it.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so, you know, Mark's gospel is 16 chapters long.
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  SPEAKER_01: So the first 10 chapters,
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  we're setting it up and then the last six to seven are these
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  stories in one week.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So we'll spend some time there and it's good stuff.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: All right.
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  SPEAKER_00: Sounds great.
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  SPEAKER_01: All righty.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, thank you guys for listening.
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  SPEAKER_01: Hey, folks, if you enjoyed this, please share it with your friends.
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  SPEAKER_01: We'd love to have them listening in.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm Tim Wright, along with Terry Summers, John Burgess.
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  You've been listening to the Deep Grace Diving podcast,
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  our study of the Gospel of Mark.
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  SPEAKER_01: Back with you next time.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're going to join Jesus in the temple.
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  SPEAKER_01: Have a great week.