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Ross Fulton Analysis: How Will Ohio State Defend Indiana's RPO-Heavy Offense? · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Buckeyes tomorrow morning for Thursday, November twenty first
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  Speaker 1: time're your host, tom Or. The Indiana game is in
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  Speaker 1: two days, the game against Michigan in nine days. We're
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  Speaker 1: going to be taking a look at the Ohio State defense,
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  Speaker 1: which is going to get a pretty stiff test, it
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  Speaker 1: looks like, on Saturday from those Indiana hoosiers and be
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  Speaker 1: doing that with their buddy, Ross Fulton, one of the
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  Speaker 1: start with the running game. And it has felt to
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  Speaker 1: me all week like if Indiana can't run the ball,
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  Speaker 1: Indiana is going to have a tough time winning this
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  Speaker 1: game on Saturday. If Ohio State can make them one dimensional,
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  Speaker 1: that's going to be a real challenge. We saw Michigan
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  Speaker 1: be able to do that to a certain degree, So
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  Speaker 1: will the Buckeyes be able to do that this weekend? Well,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to start looking at a couple plays in
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  Speaker 1: terms of how Ohio State defended the run well and
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  Speaker 1: maybe not so well. Ross the first play is an
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  Speaker 1: example of not so well. Third and thirteen. Northwestern runs
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  Speaker 1: what kind of looks like a give up handoff and
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  Speaker 1: then they pick up a first down, which is probably
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  Speaker 1: it was a pleasant surprise for them and probably not
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  Speaker 1: what the gym knowles had in mind.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And in terms of Indiana to start with, like,
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  Speaker 2: it all comes down to how well that they can
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  Speaker 2: defend RPOs to me a lot of it and I
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  Speaker 2: guess you want to fit that into the run category.
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  Speaker 3: We can circle back around to that at the end.
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  Speaker 2: The Northwestern coming back to this clip got them a
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  Speaker 2: few times early on, right, So, Like we talked a
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  Speaker 2: lot about Ohigh State wanting to create pressure and so
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  Speaker 2: one downside of that, right is if you're doing more
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  Speaker 2: exotic things to rush the passer and passing downs, teams
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  Speaker 2: can turn the run against you.
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  Speaker 3: As one response.
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  Speaker 2: That happened on this clip, right, and this is just
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  Speaker 2: like a five man blitz. Everyone's playing cover one and
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  Speaker 2: you're basically down to like stunny styles trying to scrape
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  Speaker 2: over the top from the backside, and the running back
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  Speaker 2: has a two way go and sets them up and
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  Speaker 2: everyone else has their back turned in cover one playing
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  Speaker 2: man coverage. I thought that overall, I don't think Northwestern
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  Speaker 2: had a ton of success running the ball excepting these
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  Speaker 2: passing down situations, with maybe the exception of a little
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  Speaker 2: bit of quarterback run game as well.
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  Speaker 3: But like they got them on this one.
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  Speaker 2: There was a like a second down one on their
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  Speaker 2: touchdown drive where it was second and long and Ohio
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  Speaker 2: State mugged up the linebackers, meaning they were right over
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  Speaker 2: the guards, you know, showing blitz and got them out
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  Speaker 2: of position. So there was a big gap, and you
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  Speaker 2: know they Northwestern did to Ohio State's credit, tried to
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  Speaker 2: go back to the wall one more time the second
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  Speaker 2: half on third long and run it and got stuff. So,
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  Speaker 2: you know, not a full proof plan, but it's certainly
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  Speaker 2: like something to keep an eye on. The more you
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  Speaker 2: get in these past, you know, pass blitz plass rush
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  Speaker 2: type looks, particularly in college, you see this increasingly like
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  Speaker 2: teams will just are happy to run the ball in
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  Speaker 2: these situations.
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  Speaker 1: All right, And the next one, a little more successful
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  Speaker 1: run defense is against his zone red play, and once again,
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  Speaker 1: just like the last one, they brought Sunny Styles, but
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  Speaker 1: this time they also brought Denzel Burke off of the
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  Speaker 1: edge as well.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly so, as I mentioned earlier, Northwestern had some success
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  Speaker 2: with the quarterback run game on zone read plays from
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  Speaker 2: the get go. Early on, they kind of got Sunny
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  Speaker 2: Styles stuck in the same situation owners coming off the
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  Speaker 2: edge and he had to count for the quarterback. And
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  Speaker 2: so what Ohio State did a few times in response
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  Speaker 2: after that, particularly to these like when they there's not
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  Speaker 2: a receiver a wide either because like as a tight
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  Speaker 2: end opposite trips or like this kind of bunch set,
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  Speaker 2: they would just bring the boundary corner on a blitz right,
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  Speaker 2: and so he accounts for the quarterback. And then now
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  Speaker 2: Sunny Styles can play the running back and attack downhill
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  Speaker 2: as you can see there. So you're bringing two off
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  Speaker 2: the edge, You're canceling gaps in the backfield this way,
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  Speaker 2: you know, again getting more cornerbacks active in the in
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  Speaker 2: the red game or in the against the run again,
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  Speaker 2: you know. Turning to Indiana, as I said, it will
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  Speaker 2: be a lot more RPOs, but the same principles apply, right,
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  Speaker 2: You got to account for all the numbers, and so
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  Speaker 2: you again seen I would say, more creative, more diverse
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  Speaker 2: ways to do so and to try to cancel these
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  Speaker 2: kind of schemes out.
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  Speaker 1: All right, So now we're going to move on to
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  Speaker 1: the pass. And this is an area where Northwestern, I
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  Speaker 1: guess had a little more success than they did on
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  Speaker 1: the ground. It was not a real consistent gain for
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  Speaker 1: game for Northwestern on offense. This is one where once
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  Speaker 1: again Ohio State is bringing pressure. It felt like they've
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  Speaker 1: been bringing a lot more pressure the last couple of weeks,
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  Speaker 1: been a little more aggressive there. This is one where
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  Speaker 1: they're in Cover one and this ends up leading to
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  Speaker 1: a completion over the middle.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean some consternation about the cornerback play following
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  Speaker 3: this game. It's hard to like.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, yes, you can point to this completion and
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  Speaker 2: they hit the back shoulder throw against Denzel Burke. Obviously
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  Speaker 2: Indiana's great at those back shoulder throws. They hit the
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  Speaker 2: one throw against Cover two, like in the hole between
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  Speaker 2: the flat corner and the deep safety. That was a
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  Speaker 2: great throw and catch. But I don't think there was
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  Speaker 2: like a ton of success. But this is one where
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  Speaker 2: you know High State, as I said, they're doing gymnles
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  Speaker 2: is doing lots of different things right now to create pressure,
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  Speaker 2: a lot more variety. Some works really well. We'll get
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  Speaker 2: to some more examples. Others had less success. They ran
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  Speaker 2: a hot pressure at one point early on, which is
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  Speaker 2: like three D two under didn't get home.
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  Speaker 3: That creates obviously some big holes in the coverage.
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  Speaker 2: This is kind of this is a five to one
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  Speaker 2: to start with, which is an interesting look. You have
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  Speaker 2: five defensive linemen. You can see that, particularly from the
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  Speaker 2: backside angle. You have Jack Sawyer as a defensive tackle,
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  Speaker 2: Tyler Williams as a nose in a pass rush situation.
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  Speaker 2: And then they're playing Cover one, right, and so obviously
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  Speaker 2: a lot of as I said, consternation about how the
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  Speaker 2: corners have played in man coverage.
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  Speaker 3: And I do think that it continues to.
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  Speaker 2: Behoove Ohio State to mix up the coverage is more
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  Speaker 2: not be predicted predictably.
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  Speaker 3: In Cover one.
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  Speaker 2: We've seen examples of, as we've talked about in previous weeks,
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  Speaker 2: getting picks in the like teams attacking Cover one.
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  Speaker 3: So good the mixing up.
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  Speaker 2: I will say on this, like Denzel Burk's in an
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  Speaker 2: off man position, I think you could criticize that he
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  Speaker 2: kind of backpedals here and gives too much ground and
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  Speaker 2: probably should have played this flat footed. You know, one
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  Speaker 2: wonders how much he has memories of playing it flat
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  Speaker 2: footed though against organ and falling for a double move.
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  Speaker 2: But they are making it difficult here. Like one thing
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  Speaker 2: they are doing to create pressure is when you typically
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  Speaker 2: run cover one a lot of times, like your standard
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  Speaker 2: cover one. Is like you have a deep zone player right,
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  Speaker 2: like the deep safety, but you also then have a
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  Speaker 2: linebacker or some type of player as like a sort
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  Speaker 2: of a underneath middle player, and they're they're not doing
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  Speaker 2: that a lot.
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  Speaker 3: Like they're having their linebackers either blitz.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously they have a five man rush here like sunny
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  Speaker 2: styles is responsible then as a result for the running
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  Speaker 2: back coverage or like they'll have the linebackers green dog,
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  Speaker 2: which means like they'll read what the running back does.
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  Speaker 2: If the running back stays into block, they'll blitz. So
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  Speaker 2: you just you're obviously leaving a lot of room in
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  Speaker 2: the middle of the field here, like you have a
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  Speaker 2: very deep zone safety with not a lot of help.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, they did pull Dunzel Burke after this
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  Speaker 2: play for a bit. I mean, Jermaine Matthews is obviously
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  Speaker 2: getting some run. You know, he had his own situation
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  Speaker 2: where he got beat over the top, didn't didn't result
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  Speaker 2: in points for Northwestern.
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  Speaker 3: So I do think.
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  Speaker 2: Though, as I said, it behooves them to mix up coverages,
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  Speaker 2: and we're going to give to some examples of them
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  Speaker 2: doing that. No one's gonna be perfect. The more aggressive
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  Speaker 2: you are, you might give up these plays.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 2: The key then, obviously is to not let a fifteen
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  Speaker 2: or twenty yarder turn into a sixty yarder.
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  Speaker 1: All right, And now we're going to be looking at
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  Speaker 1: some more You mentioned different coverages. This is different coverage,
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  Speaker 1: but this is a play where Jack Sawyer gets in
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  Speaker 1: the backfield so quickly that it really kind of the
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  Speaker 1: coverage is I mean, like, the coverage is obviously always important,
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  Speaker 1: but when you get when you can get a defensive
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  Speaker 1: end into the backfield as quickly as Jack Sawyer gets
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  Speaker 1: in there this on this one, the coverage does not
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  Speaker 1: have to cover for very long.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, which is obviously a benefit.
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  Speaker 2: I like looking at the coverages and things but yes,
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  Speaker 2: the more you can create pressure, and noticeably Sawyer does
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  Speaker 2: it with an inside move, and so they're changing up
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  Speaker 2: again the rush lanes a little bit, not just always
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  Speaker 2: coming from the outside, but they're able to do that
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  Speaker 2: on this play because they're running a cover too look,
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  Speaker 2: and so to that side of Sawyer you have Denzel
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  Speaker 2: Burke sitting in the flat. What's noticeable about this one though,
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  Speaker 2: is it's this is Tampa. So Cover two with the
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  Speaker 2: middle safety or the middle linebacker is like the deep
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  Speaker 2: pole runner.
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  Speaker 3: You can see r L Rees get you know, depth immediately.
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  Speaker 2: But it's non traditional, like we talked about last on
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  Speaker 2: the offensive episode, in the sense that what they're going
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  Speaker 2: to do is they're going This looks pre snap like
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  Speaker 2: they're going to play cover one right like Caleb Downs
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  Speaker 2: is walking down and it looks like you're going to
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  Speaker 2: get a single high look. But what they do actually
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  Speaker 2: is run of cover two variant where or Jermaine Matthews
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  Speaker 2: as the field corner to the wide side, he's the
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  Speaker 2: deep half player, Sunny Styles is going to play the flat,
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  Speaker 2: and so to one side you have like a traditional
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  Speaker 2: Cover two where the corner is in the flat and
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  Speaker 2: you have the deep safety.
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  Speaker 3: But the other side, it's the corner and it's the linebacker.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, I just I continue to signal, you know, uh,
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  Speaker 2: these plays out because the more that they can disguise things,
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  Speaker 2: and you take a page from what they see on
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  Speaker 2: offense with a lot of these teams, you know, showing
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  Speaker 2: one high dropping to two, showing two dropping to one,
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  Speaker 2: changing things up again like that, that makes it easier. Obviously,
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  Speaker 2: as you say, the rush gets there. But the more
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  Speaker 2: they can make quarterbacks have to think about what they're seeing,
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  Speaker 2: that also is going to help the pass rush.
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  Speaker 3: And so it's not just about.
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  Speaker 2: Blitzing or you know, creating pressure packages like this is
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  Speaker 2: just a four man rush, but they are. They're still
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  Speaker 2: giving opponents a lot more to think about than they
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  Speaker 2: previously were.
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  Speaker 1: All Right, next up a concept that I know we've
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  Speaker 1: talked about in the past, cross dog. I always want
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  Speaker 1: to make a Michael Scott joke here, I'm not going
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  Speaker 1: to do it. It's okay, linebackers bringing pressure here and
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  Speaker 1: this is another way that Jim Knowle's got pressure forcing
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  Speaker 1: another throwaway here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, as you said, a lot of pressure in this game.
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  Speaker 2: Some some works, some didn't. But what's good is just
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  Speaker 2: the variety.
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  Speaker 3: Right. So, like we talked about the two steel concept.
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  Speaker 2: A lot where the last few weeks, and we saw
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  Speaker 2: that again this week where for that one they like
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  Speaker 2: to bring the to the white side of the field.
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  Speaker 2: They'll bring the nickel or the overhang along with the
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  Speaker 2: mic linebacker to that side and drop into the flat.
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  Speaker 2: Here they do is this is a variant of that,
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  Speaker 2: but they do slightly different, right, So as you mentioned,
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  Speaker 2: like they're going to cross the inside linebackers, so they're
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  Speaker 2: going to attack both a gaps with the two inside linebackers,
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  Speaker 2: and so it's still like a two D four under
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  Speaker 2: five man pressure, but instead of like Latham Ransom, you
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  Speaker 2: can see him to the top instead of turning and
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  Speaker 2: plane to the field like the steel concept. Right, like
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  Speaker 2: you're you're rolling your covers that way and taking away
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  Speaker 2: that throw, he's actually turning into the boundary. So here
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  Speaker 2: you have you still have three over two to the
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  Speaker 2: boundary and you have uh two over and then three
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  Speaker 2: over two to the field. Right, so you're you're still
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  Speaker 2: getting your benefits of your cover two concept of or
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  Speaker 2: split safety concepts of keeping an extra defender over on
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  Speaker 2: each side of the receivers, but you're you're creating pressure again,
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  Speaker 2: you know, dropping JG. Tumolo on the flat there as
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  Speaker 2: the flat player. So again another variant. And I just
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  Speaker 2: think this stuff is it's just going to be important,
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  Speaker 2: particularly like we can touch on the Indiana up RPOs,
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  Speaker 2: but like when you get in passing downs like going forward,
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  Speaker 2: you're just gonna like this variety just needs to continue.
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  Speaker 3: And like at this.
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  Speaker 2: Point, there's a lot there right, Like we've talked for
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  Speaker 2: a long time with like Jim Nole's like where it's
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  Speaker 2: pretty simplistic, like now they're running a lot of volume
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  Speaker 2: of concepts and you know, the execution for that seems
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  Speaker 2: to be pretty good. As I said, not everything's working,
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  Speaker 2: but I think they had a lot of success with
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  Speaker 2: some of these Cover two concepts on passing downs against Northwestern.
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  Speaker 1: All right, we're going to continue to mix things up
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  Speaker 1: in terms of coverage. We go from Tampa two to
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  Speaker 1: Cover two to now Cover four. If you are listening
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  Speaker 1: and you're wondering, Okay, which play they're talking about now,
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  Speaker 1: this is the one where Jack Sawyer gets pressure, ends
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  Speaker 1: up kind of chasing the quarterback across the field and
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  Speaker 1: sort of shoves him right after he throws the ball
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  Speaker 1: right in front of the Ohio State bench.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean I think, you know, I keep
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  Speaker 2: kind of harping on my main themes here right week
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  Speaker 2: after weeks since the working game, which is you know,
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  Speaker 2: disguise multiplicity and then matching routes in the secondary. And
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  Speaker 2: I thought they did a nice job of that of
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  Speaker 2: color cover four in this game. I saw them run.
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  Speaker 2: I think more of it particular is the game was
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  Speaker 2: going on uh than I certainly had seen in previous weeks.
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  Speaker 2: But again, like as opposed to what they were doing
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  Speaker 2: earlier in the season was sort of like the zone
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  Speaker 2: like sort of spot drop. Like here you can see
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  Speaker 2: the matching routes right, Like, you know, Cody Simon gets
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  Speaker 2: out to the flat Davis and Agbinos and carries that
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  Speaker 2: deep defender to the to the deep safety and then
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  Speaker 2: to the you know, then you have Caleb Downs picking
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  Speaker 2: up that backside you know, dig round from the tight end.
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  Speaker 2: So it's just taking away like some of those easy throws.
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  Speaker 2: Like even in that like the Iowa game, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I recall being there early on, and so I just think, like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, a lot of good reps gonna sort of
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  Speaker 2: Harpen and this will lead into my next example on
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  Speaker 2: the RPA front. But I think that the more that
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  Speaker 2: they can do this with cover four while matching routes,
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  Speaker 2: I think it just having changeops against the RPOs that
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  Speaker 2: isn't always running cover one is going to be critical.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 1: As you mentioned right at the top of the show,
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  Speaker 1: you think that how Ohio State defends the RPO is
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  Speaker 1: going to be maybe the single biggest determination in terms
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  Speaker 1: of defensively how this game goes on Saturday. And so
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  Speaker 1: let's end with a play with the against the RPO.
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  Speaker 1: Just as a reminder, we've talked in the past about
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  Speaker 1: the fact that a lot of times running a man
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  Speaker 1: coverage is the best way to sort of help be,
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  Speaker 1: you know, defeat the undefeatable RPO play. Is that what
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  Speaker 1: we're looking at here?
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  Speaker 2: No, this is so this is actually cover four, right,
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  Speaker 2: And so let's use Michigan as an example against Indiana.
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  Speaker 2: The second half, like I thought to me again, like
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  Speaker 2: they slowed down the RPO game, Like Curtis, the Indiana
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  Speaker 2: run game is good. It's like, you know, I think
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  Speaker 2: they have to running backs, but I think the running
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  Speaker 2: game to me is there to open up those RPO
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  Speaker 2: throws and like Curtis for to get the ball out
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  Speaker 2: and distribute it quickly. And you know, I would say
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  Speaker 2: that Michigan mixed cover one with like some man match
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  Speaker 2: cover four. Like this is right, and so you're he
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  Speaker 2: Rourke wanted to pull the football and there just weren't
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  Speaker 2: receivers there to pull it and throw to because essentially
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  Speaker 2: you're manning them up but in different ways, right, and
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  Speaker 2: so like this is kind of what I would look
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  Speaker 2: for against Indiana, Like this is a This is obviously
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  Speaker 2: like an arrow RPO route where he's reading and then
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  Speaker 2: pulling it. You can see the lineman like six yards
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  Speaker 2: downfield the left tackle because it never gets called in college,
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  Speaker 2: and that's that's a whole nother issue, right, which makes
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  Speaker 2: it difficult to play this kind of stuff. But you
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  Speaker 2: can see them again like matching arountes, like Jordan Hancock's
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  Speaker 2: taking that flat route in man uh Davison Abbinos is
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  Speaker 2: driving on the outside receiver running that little hitch and
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  Speaker 2: so yes it's a completion.
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  Speaker 3: It's three yards. That doesn't hurt you. As I said,
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: like you want to give you want to keep those
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: This allows you to keep.
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: The line backers in the box, which a lot of times,
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: like that's what Michigan also, like Rourke was looking at
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: those linebackers. They were playing the run, he was pulling
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: for the throw, but they had the numbers to account
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: for the wide receivers out wide. And so but by
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: doing this and like mixing, you know, if they as
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: I said, if they can mix a few things just
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: so it's not like, well, we know we're going to
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: get cover one. So even though in theory the RPOs
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: are canceled out like we'll pick you like Oregon did,
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: or we'll you know, line someone up in the backfield
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: and send them out wide. So now your e gap
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: defender is out covering a receiver and you have no
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: one in that gap.
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: Like this, this keeps the offense off balance.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: And as I said, yeah, to me, like if you
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: can limit the success of the RPOs against Indiana, that
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: that is the key to victory for a high state
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: in my opinion.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: All right, well, we will see how well Ohio State
• 16:46
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• 16:49
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• 16:52
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• 16:54
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• 16:58
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• 17:01
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• 17:05
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• 17:08
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• 17:10
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• 17:12
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