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#495 - Ice Cube · The Bootleg Kev Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Yo, what's cracking this your homeboy? Ice Cbe Hotstyles, My style,
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  Speaker 1: Jo Styles, Die Soule. We're doing it big right here
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  Speaker 1: on the Bootleg Cavs podcast. I was about to say show.
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  Speaker 2: I don't ever really talk about the radio show on
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  Speaker 2: the podcast, keep them separate. But if you want to
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  Speaker 2: listen to the radio show, you can click the link
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  Speaker 2: in the bio for a list of all the cities
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  Speaker 2: you can listen to at. Yeah, that makes sense. Let's
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  Speaker 2: get to the interview, Yo, Bootleg cav show Man special
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  Speaker 2: guests in here a living legend, one of the greatest
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  Speaker 2: of all time, one of the founding fathers of the
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  Speaker 2: hip hop that I grew up on, the freest thinker
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  Speaker 2: in hip hop. In twenty twenty four, Ice Cube the
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  Speaker 2: don Mega Well.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, what's happening with man, it's an honor.
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  Speaker 2: We did a conversation before, but it was with the
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  Speaker 2: Mount Wesmore guys. Yeah, so it's good to have you,
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  Speaker 2: like on the one on one you got new music out,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, like, Yeah, yeah, that's dope.
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  Speaker 2: It's my ego is it sounds like vintage Cube.
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  Speaker 1: Good. That's what I wanted. Thank you, That's what I wanted. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like when like, you know, people like I
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  Speaker 2: grew up listening to try to chase like a current record,
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  Speaker 2: It's just it's just like that's not why, like we
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  Speaker 2: love you, you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, being in the game for almost forty years,
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  Speaker 1: that's great. It's and I've seen waves come and go
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  Speaker 1: and I just you know around the Laugh Now Cry
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  Speaker 1: Later record six. Yeah, right before that record, I was like, man,
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  Speaker 1: when I pick up a I need a Baker record,
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  Speaker 1: I want it to sound like I need.
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  Speaker 2: A Baker, right, you don't want it to sound like that.
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  Speaker 1: She chased Joyeah, so I felt like, well, ice Ce
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  Speaker 1: fans are the same way, you know, when they pick
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  Speaker 1: it up, they wanted to be cointessential, authentic ice Cube.
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  Speaker 1: And so that's what I that's what I've been worry about,
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  Speaker 1: worrying about delivering, you know what I mean When I
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  Speaker 1: say worrying, I'm not like I'm worried, but he's what
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  Speaker 1: I've been focused, you know, doing records. That's you know,
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  Speaker 1: totally me.
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  Speaker 2: I wonder too, because like you're you're always, you know,
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  Speaker 2: growing up. I feel like people could listen to your
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  Speaker 2: albums for kind of like a current narration of the world. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: through you know, through your eyes at least. And I
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  Speaker 2: do feel like the world is like in a crazy
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  Speaker 2: place right now, at least in the United States. It
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  Speaker 2: feels like everyone's losing their fucking mind. Are you, like,
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  Speaker 2: are you getting back to some of the like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: addressing some of the shit that's happening that people are
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  Speaker 2: freaking out about or.
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  Speaker 1: I believe so. I believe so in my own way though,
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  Speaker 1: right you know, it's really about making good records at
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  Speaker 1: the end of the day, and you don't want like
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  Speaker 1: the things you're trying to show or highlight to get
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  Speaker 1: in the way of a good record, right, so you
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  Speaker 1: have to find ways to to uh barrier is the
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  Speaker 1: wrong word, but to fit it. It's you feed your
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  Speaker 1: dog medicine without a doubt because people are not buying
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  Speaker 1: music for a history lesson or uh. You know, it's
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  Speaker 1: not a social studies experiment. It's music. So that the
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  Speaker 1: magic buying your music. But the magic is to make
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  Speaker 1: it bad, make it bump if you both the rhyme's
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  Speaker 1: dope for sure, to make it a good song at
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  Speaker 1: the end of the day, because it could be for me,
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  Speaker 1: it could be for any artists. Nobody want to be
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  Speaker 1: preached to in their music. You know, they want to
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  Speaker 1: they want to rock with something they can relate to.
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  Speaker 2: But I think it's about relatability. Yeah, and if and
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  Speaker 2: if you take that and you know, apply it, then
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  Speaker 2: it's a plus. If not, if the records are good,
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  Speaker 2: the records are.
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  Speaker 1: Good, Yeah, it's it's about now. Of course, I got
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  Speaker 1: a few records that's you know, all about me. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm an MC so I mean it's my ego, but
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  Speaker 1: I think everybody should celebrate their ego. Yeah, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's something that.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like I feel like we've gotten away from
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  Speaker 2: like everyone's so like worried about you know. I feel
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  Speaker 2: like you kind of said it at the end of
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  Speaker 2: the record. You said, like people are gonna get triggered.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like so what it's good for them to be triggered.
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  Speaker 1: Let them know you here for sure, Like you can't
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  Speaker 1: be docile, that won't get you nowhere. You have to.
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  Speaker 1: It's cool, you know, as long as you don't go overboard,
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  Speaker 1: you know, but you gotta, you know, let people know
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  Speaker 1: you here. Why are you unique? Why are you you?
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  Speaker 2: I think back, and I'm like, could ice Cube from
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  Speaker 2: nineteen ninety one release Death Certificate today and not get canceled.
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  Speaker 1: Or like Lethal Injection?
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  Speaker 2: I think it's songs like like kve Bitch or like
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  Speaker 2: Black Korea, Like, yeah, I don't know if these songs
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  Speaker 2: could exist these days without people like you know, you'd
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  Speaker 2: have a TMZ article written with like twenty like they'd
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  Speaker 2: be on an MSNBC running you through the Mud or something.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I wouldn't, you know, I wouldn't necessarily
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  Speaker 1: think about that, you know. To me, people's reaction and
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  Speaker 1: the music that they or whatever makes them react from
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  Speaker 1: entertainment is usually a good thing, right, as long as
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  Speaker 1: you get a reaction. Oh yeah, you want to You
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  Speaker 1: don't want a record to play and there's nothing. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you want to. You want to.
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  Speaker 2: You want to strike a motion.
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  Speaker 1: Without a doubt. You know. That's to me, the reason
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  Speaker 1: people like music because it strikes emotional chords and so
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  Speaker 1: you know, nobody's stopping me from saying anything. So it's
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  Speaker 1: all about the artists having the courage to do it
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  Speaker 1: and not worry about so called being canceled.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll say this, man, you ended up
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  Speaker 2: being right about a lot of shit, especially like you know,
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  Speaker 2: I'll say this, like you're You're the main reason I
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  Speaker 2: didn't get the second JAB.
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  Speaker 1: Man, that's good.
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  Speaker 2: I got the first one. But when I was like, wait,
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  Speaker 2: Q passed up on nine million dollars, I'm I gotta
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  Speaker 2: do something. I got to look.
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  Speaker 1: Into this, you know, And I didn't need the JAB, So.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for that, though cute, oh no problem saved
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  Speaker 2: me from a potential vaccine injury or you know, mild
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  Speaker 2: card dice is I'm.
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  Speaker 1: Glad you didn't. You know, if you didn't need it,
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  Speaker 1: you shouldn't get it.
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  Speaker 2: That was a crazy time though, because you know, like
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  Speaker 2: at the end of the day, like you had kind
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  Speaker 2: of become the the poster child for like anti vacs.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm curious as somebody who had the FBI come
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  Speaker 2: after them at a certain point in time in their
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  Speaker 2: career with n w A in the eighties, Tipper Gore
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  Speaker 2: et cetera to having like mainstream media and like social
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  Speaker 2: media come after you for something else, obviously.
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  Speaker 1: Totally different things. What were the difference.
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  Speaker 2: Between dealing with those two things and what was crazier?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, for clarity, I'm not anti vacts.
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  Speaker 2: Right, but but you can get the face of it.
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  Speaker 2: Well yeah that list just like RFK is not anti VACCX.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well you know, but so you have so you
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  Speaker 1: have to for anybody who thinks make it make it clear.
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  Speaker 1: I've been vaccinated before as a kid, you know, with
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  Speaker 1: you know all the ship they give you that course,
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  Speaker 1: but no, don't take flu shots. But but you know,
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  Speaker 1: the childhood vaccinations, I've gotten them before. Okay, but those
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  Speaker 1: were studied for years. This is something new six months
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  Speaker 1: fast track bullshit. So the difference was me, I knew
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  Speaker 1: it was nothing they could do to make me do it.
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  Speaker 1: Outside holding me down and and and sticking it in
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  Speaker 1: my arm right now. And I felt like nobody was
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  Speaker 1: gonna do that. So, you know, I knew that bad press,
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  Speaker 1: people coming down on you, people talking ship. I've had
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  Speaker 1: that before, and that don't that don't kill you. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: at the end of the day in a flood, you
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  Speaker 1: want to be a tree. I love that. You know
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  Speaker 1: what I'm saying. You want to be steady while everything is. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so stand your ground, you know, stand on your beliefs.
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  Speaker 1: Let the chips fall what they may. I was willing
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  Speaker 1: to take, you know, any kind of you know, consequence
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  Speaker 1: for for you know, standing on what I believe would
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  Speaker 1: actually harm me and not help me.
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  Speaker 2: I love that. Did you feel like because since then,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure from the from at least my recognition,
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  Speaker 2: I haven't seen any new Cube movies. I know you're
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  Speaker 2: working on it, like I think Warner Brothers just greenlit
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  Speaker 2: a New Friday or that's even works, right, But did
• 10:51
  Speaker 2: that affect that, the whole hysteria around your decision, did
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  Speaker 2: it affect you getting new movies after after everybody you
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  Speaker 2: realized it wasn't that big of a deal.
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  Speaker 1: You never know, you know, you you never really know
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  Speaker 1: why movies don't happen or didn't happen or or what.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, I got my hunch that it probably did.
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  Speaker 1: You know. The first movie that we lost was the
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  Speaker 1: one you talked about, which was a movie I was
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  Speaker 1: doing with Jack Black called oh hell No.
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  Speaker 2: And Buddy Cop stuff.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, it was. It was. It was a comedy,
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  Speaker 1: but it wasn't Buddy Cop. But but that was the
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  Speaker 1: first one. You know, I wasn't gonna go on nobody's
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  Speaker 1: movie set that was wanting me to take the jab,
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  Speaker 1: so I probably lost out on a few. I was
• 11:52
  Speaker 1: in the middle of shooting a movie, uh, the Clarissa
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  Speaker 1: Shiells boxing story. I was the trainer and we were
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  Speaker 1: shooting in Canada, so I couldn't go back and shoot
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  Speaker 1: because I wasn't Canada was not it was, Yeah, it
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  Speaker 1: was real strict. So lost that one. And and you
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  Speaker 1: know when the movies came back, you know, I was
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  Speaker 1: offered to do a movie, but it was during the strike.
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  Speaker 2: So now, so you don't want to cross picket line.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, even though I had an exempt. Now I
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  Speaker 1: had a SAG exemption.
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  Speaker 2: Just the optics.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but what is an exemption doing the strike, either
• 12:39
  Speaker 1: we striking or we not? What are we doing? An exemption?
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  Speaker 1: To me, was was useless. I wasn't. I would never
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  Speaker 1: take an exemption doing a strike.
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  Speaker 2: Someone told me recently that even though like that strike
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  Speaker 2: was about AI, like they recently just struck some like
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  Speaker 2: a ideal like the movie companies. That kind of made
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  Speaker 2: it like kind of crazy that that strike kept all
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  Speaker 2: those people out of work all that time. Anyway, but
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  Speaker 2: I don't know that. You probably don't want me.
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  Speaker 1: You know, AI, You're gonna have artificial entertainment now, it's wild. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: have you artificial fun?
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  Speaker 2: Have they made any artificial intelligence songs with your voice?
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  Speaker 1: Because that's the thing they have that's gotta be wild. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's the wackyt shit you ever want to hear. Terrible.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's you know, for shits and giggles. But
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't see nobody buying it. I couldn't see nobody. No, No,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think turned on by it to the point
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  Speaker 1: where they where it becomes a hit wreck. I think.
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  Speaker 2: I think what's gonna end up happening in the future
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  Speaker 2: is when artists die, maybe one hundred years from now.
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  Speaker 2: You know, there's going to.
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  Speaker 1: Be like, but who wants that show? Nobody?
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  Speaker 2: But you never know, maybe in fifty years an artist
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  Speaker 2: might be like, look, I got this book of rhymes.
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  Speaker 2: When I pass away, have a that's.
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  Speaker 1: Still you know, you pick an artist. It is why
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  Speaker 1: you love different artists, actors, uh, you know, singers, you know,
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  Speaker 1: especially songwriters, rappers, this, directors. You like them because of
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  Speaker 1: the choices they make. Right, you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: The choices they make is what you respect. So when
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  Speaker 1: you take them out of the choice making, you're really
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  Speaker 1: not getting the artists work. You know what if they
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: got prints, they do a print song and got him
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: singing some shit, he would never sings saying some things
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  Speaker 1: he would never say.
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  Speaker 2: You know what's funny is when Pop died and all
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  Speaker 2: those albums were coming out. Yeah, and I remember there
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  Speaker 2: was an album called Oil to the Game and it
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  Speaker 2: had like fifty se jah Rule and all this shit,
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  Speaker 2: and I just remember being like, I mean, like it's cool,
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  Speaker 2: but like I don't know, Poko, it is song with
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  Speaker 2: these guys, so it felt it just felt weird.
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  Speaker 1: It is weird. It is as opposed to.
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  Speaker 2: Like putting him on an album with like people he
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  Speaker 2: actually was peers with, you know, but it's like, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: who's hot, who's current, Let's throw them on these unreleased
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  Speaker 2: TUPAC records, reproduce them, and then it's like it's it's
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  Speaker 2: it's like almost like a blend or a mash up
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  Speaker 2: mixtape as opposed to like an album.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you don't get the same feeling from it,
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  Speaker 1: not only because you know, you know, they were not
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  Speaker 1: there and the creation of this, so you don't even
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  Speaker 1: know if these are his choices or these are records
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  Speaker 1: that he even wanted out. That's the key.
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  Speaker 2: Everything not everything that gets not everything that gets recorded
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  Speaker 2: is supposed to hit hit hit.
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  Speaker 1: Consumption because some of it is it's just ideas. Some
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  Speaker 1: of it is, you know, not good enough for the public.
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  Speaker 1: Some of it is you know, whack. You know. At
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  Speaker 1: the end of the day, it's a reason why he
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  Speaker 1: hasn't been released.
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  Speaker 2: I love the remix that just dropped because I look
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: at Killer Mike as a modern day ice Cube. Uh.
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: Killer Mike is one of my favorite rappers of all time. Uh,
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  Speaker 2: one of the best guys. Somebody else who's a free thinker, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: somebody who's always just kind of like been a man
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  Speaker 2: of the people I love Killer Mike Man and it
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  Speaker 2: was just so dope to hear you guys and him
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  Speaker 2: pay homage to you in his verse.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was amazing. You know, I didn't know he
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  Speaker 1: was gonna do that, So that was you know, straitsalttle
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  Speaker 1: him and Buster you know, gave it up for sure.
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  Speaker 1: That was none beloved. You know, respect them both, you know,
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  Speaker 1: as MC's in the game, they've always you know, played
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  Speaker 1: to win and never played the game cheap for sure,
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  Speaker 1: never played the music or what it's all about cheap.
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  Speaker 1: I don't look at them dudes as you know, just
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  Speaker 1: money grabbers, you know what I mean. It's correct. The
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  Speaker 1: love is pure. So it's always good to get on
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  Speaker 1: the track with some ferocious him sees that. Uh, you know,
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: make sure you have your game stepped up.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: Yo, are you your your son is one of my
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: favorite Twitter follows because I'm a diehard wrestling fan. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and he is like.
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  Speaker 1: He's in it. Yeah, he the man.
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  Speaker 2: He's like a real wrestling like he's got a podcast,
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  Speaker 2: like he's he's.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: On it, like man, it's wrestling on every day at
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: the house. One of those.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: Do you follow like anything that's going on, Like are
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: you like, just just because it's on, Like, are you
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: like yo, So, what's going on with the bloodline right now?
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm trying to keep up, you know. He
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: he he uh, you know, he's showing me what's up.
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  Speaker 1: But he he goes between different air so he's looking at.
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  Speaker 2: You can watch the old ship.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the old you know, uh w w F you
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: know w c W. He's like keep up. He all
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  Speaker 1: over the place with it. So it's hard to keep
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: up with who's current and is this a current Max watching?
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  Speaker 1: But you know, I'm I'm happy that he's passionate and
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  Speaker 1: that he's able to talk about it, you know, you
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  Speaker 1: want to You got a podcast, so he able to
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: talk to some of the biggest names in the game.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: And no, I think it's and he's really good and
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: go you know deep into you know, the behind the
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: the you know the act. I forgot what he called it.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: It's you know character, Yeah, what's the character when you
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: in character all the time? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It's funny because I was following his account on Twitter
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  Speaker 2: for a while and I thought it was like a
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: parody account because I was like, there's no way ice
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: Cube Son is like one of the Biggest Wrestling. I'm
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: like the same dude from like Den of Thieves, Like
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: he loves this ship.
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  Speaker 1: For real, loves it for real, for real, you know.
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  Speaker 2: And then the podcast I was like, oh, ship, he
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  Speaker 2: really is about this ship for real.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: I remember when he was he was still in uh
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: I think he was still in elementary and I went
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: to go pick him up from school. Just take him
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  Speaker 1: out of school middle of the day, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: would love it. Yeah. I used to do that in
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: the middle of exactly all that, you know, pick him
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  Speaker 1: up in the middle of the day because I know,
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: you know when they say your parents is here to
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: get you, you know, everybody grabbing ship. They gone. So
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: picked him up, were rolling, didn't tell him where we
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: was going. We didn't go home, so I know he
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: was tripping out. Didn't tell him where we was going,
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: and I was like, as we got close, I was like, well,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: I don't want him to freeze. I want him to
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: you know, have his ship together. I said, you want
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: to meet the Rock today, you know, and he was
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: like what he just couldn't believe it that we was
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: on our way to go talk to the Rock and
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: we went and met him, you know, out here and uh,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: Venice and uh sat down. We ate.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: It was just you know, tall Fire and your kids.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: You're sitting there, sitting.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: There and uh what he remembers, he ordered the burger
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: in the rock ordered the burger. So he was like,
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: we got the same thing. Yeah, exactly, you know, geeking
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: off that. So to see him now being able to
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: hit all the events, know all the people. That's so
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: if you love and be able to do a podcast,
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: be and starting to become one of the biggest names
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: and yeah, you know, and definitely and uh, you know,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: speaking and commentating on the wrestling. It's cool.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: I always was curious. So straight out of Compton and
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: Easy does it came out in the same.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: Year kind of, you know, a few months apart.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: Right, so very close close to each other. Yeah, when
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: you guys were working on like was there was all
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: that shit getting worked on at the same time, and
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: it was it was there like whiteboards in the studio
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: or like that's going on easy Ship. This is going
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: on straight out of Compton? Like how or were they
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: separate sessions?
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: Like well, what happened? You know, we started to you know,
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: Easy was blowing up, so it was all about Okay,
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: you know, we had multiple records on them. Then we
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: had some n w A records that he was on,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: and the whole thing was like, let's put all our
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: energy into the Easy Does the album. I was still
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: uh through the first half of the album. I was
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: still in Arizona, so I would only be able to
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: work on it on them.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: We're going to school out there, right. It wasn't Debrye,
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: but it was like.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: No, it was damn there, Like it was called Phoenix
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Institute of Technology. I just know.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: I remember when I was a kid, I always thought
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: you went to debry I was like man.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: To but it was low low, a low budget and
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: the Rye and Ship, yeah it was. It was definitely,
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: but so just getting it together and making sure it
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: was dope, and then like once we had it and
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: it was done, then we just started to focus on
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: the n w A record on the album because we
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: knew we had we had some dope singles out by
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: then we had Dope man, now we had Gangster, so
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: it was like, you know, let's get ready to do
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: a whole album on the group.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: It's just so crazy to think that all of that
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: was being worked on around the same Yeah, like what
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: a special time that you guys didn't even understand was
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: like going.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: To change the trajectory of like everything, not at all.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: We thought we were gonna be straight underground locals, like we're.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: Gonna crack off in LA.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: It's just that's that's we thought that's the only place
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: we about to jump off. Visit right in LA where
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: they understand what we're talking about. Because we didn't know
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: the rest of the world was paying attention with this
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: kind of stuff. When did you guys realize that you
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: made raider hats a thing? Like when we would go
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: out of town to other cities.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: They could be in Wyoming and they'd be raider hats
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: hit the Yeah, we.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Would hit the foot locker and they would be like, man,
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: all the raider stuff is gone.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, why do you even have it in stock We're
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: in Chicago or something.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: Because of us. It was like they they would be like,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: all of us gone, So get to the show and
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: everybody out there in raider hats, and we in Denver
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: when you know these different places that had their own teams,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: but it was all raider gear out there.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: I always wanted to ask you America's most wanted was
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: I remember it got five mics in the source because
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: when I was I was born in eighty seven, so
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: I was one years old with Straight Out of compt
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: came out. But I like went back and like like
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: study all the five MIC albums.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but to think about like kind of where you
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: were in your career coming out of the group, feuding
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: with the group, having this pressure of like having to
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: deliver your first thing outside of the group, but then
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: also being like brave enough to be like I'm gonna
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: go tap in with like New York and and you
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: know and the Bomb Squad and PE and these guys.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: What was the pressure like for.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: You And how nervous were you to work working on
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: that project because you have to kind of understand the
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: narrative that's happening, like I gotta make sure whatever I
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: do is better than whatever they're doing, you know what
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: I'm saying.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: I didn't really look at it like that. You know.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: When I left the group, you know, I left for nothing,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: So I didn't. I didn't. I was like, damn, now
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: I gotta go find a deal, right, I don't even
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: have a label. And so I went and talked to
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Brian Turner at priority. Shout out the priority man. Yeah,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: shout out to priority. Shout out to Brian Turner, Mark
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: surround me who don't get a lot of a lot
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: of uh, you know, a lot of mention. So he's like,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: there's nothing you can do to keep the group together.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: I'm like, no, it's over. He said, well, we still
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: want you, so we will give you a solo budget
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: and deal for a solo album. So that was, like, man,
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: the best news I had heard since I left the group,
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: because now you got somebody to go that deal. Now
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: I can do my own way, you know, where I
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: can be the head producer on it and what I want.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: To go and wherever, like whatever ideas you want to
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: get across. You don't have to clear with it.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: I don't have to clear with with Dre and easy
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: is unapologetically you know, argue with Rinning a little bit.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: Y're gonna beal and ship. So I could just do
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: what I want. And now I got uh it's me
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: and it's sir Jenks who was he was soaking up
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: a lot of game from you know, from the time
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: I started start. We started hanging with the Recond crew,
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: and and then the Recond crew kind of dismantled, and
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: then we put n W A together and he's real
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: competitive with his cousin Dre right, real competitive. So I
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: knew he was ready to produce and ready to show
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: what he got.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like this guy, his like his cousin is the
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: biggest or at least you know.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and he did. I mean, he delivered, and so
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: I said, uh, but he wasn't ready to do a
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: whole project. You know, he was ready to to contribute.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: And you know, he has some tracks that he actually
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: produced on the America's Most Wanted. Everybody give credit to
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: the Bomb Squad, but Janmes, did you know once upon
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: time the projects a song called the Bomb It's a
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: Man's World. So he you know, we we knew, you know,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: we wanted to have other producers for other tracks. You know,
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: we didn't know we were gonna have one other team
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: working on the whole album. We thought, let's get tracks
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: from here here right there. And I was talking to
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: Chuck d throughout the breakup because we had met on
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: the road. We met in Las Vegas at the Thomas
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: and Max Center on some shows we had did together
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: Easy and n W A Republic Enemy, and then we
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: became real cool exchange numbers. So when I was going
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: through the breakup, I would call him, you know, really
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: for some big brother advice, you know what I should do.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: He was trying to keep us together. He was like, man,
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: this group is too important for sure. Got to try
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: to keep it together. Cube. But also at the time,
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: I wanted Dre to produce my solo record, but easy
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: and and Jerry vetoed.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: That what what Yeah, that wasn't gonna get allowed.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they vetoed that even though Dre wanted to do it,
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: because me and Dre was actually still on cool.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: Terms, even though publicly there was the feud, but it wasn't.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: It wasn't it wasn't a few yet. It was just
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: a breakup. Yeah, But they dissed me before No Vassiline
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: or one hundred Miles and Running.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: But No vascanline was like, you know, the greatest this record.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was that was a comeback. That was the
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: great after after the Niggas for Life album where they
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: dissed me more and said they was gonna do ship
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: to me with broomsticks and all this kind of ship. So,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: you know, long story short, I'm looking for Sam Severn.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: I'm in I'm in New York looking for Sam Severn
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: because he did the third Base album and they beats
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: was banging, yeah, and he stooped me up. But I
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: saw Chuck in New York at Depth Jam and then
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: we connected and he was doing the record that night
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: with Big Daddy King called Burn Hollywood Burn. Oh yeah,
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: and he was like, do you want to be on
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: this record? I was yeah, it would let the world
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: know you solo. I was like, hell yeah, went down
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: there and recording the record. That's when Hank Shockley was there.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: Keith Shockley and I started talking about him trying to
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: get my album produced, and they was like, we'll do
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: that whole thing. It was like, I felt like I
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: was in good hands. How could I miss with the
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: best producers in hip hop at the time, you know,
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: And so I felt like, our, I'm in good hands.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: If I can't get the best on the West, I'm
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: gonna get the best on these.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: That shit's crazy and as a classic, and it's crazy
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: too because you were kill it will drop the same.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: Year right yeah, later on that year.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you were like you got that deal and you
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: were like, I'm fucking active.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and we had records left over from the America's
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: Most Won and we're like, what we're gonna do with
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: these records. I don't want to wait a whole other years.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: Let's put something out and then and then Chinks had
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: did just this crazy remix to Endangered Species. So having
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: that and the other records that we had, then I
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: thought of that jacking for beats idea.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: One of my favorite album covers was the Kid when
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: You with the Gun?
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then Uh even a song that never gets mentioned,
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: Dead Homies ended up becoming a big song for me
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: at the time too. After Kill It Will.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: Records, Jacking for beats you were like the first because
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: you got to think about like mixtape culture and kind
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: of t I has a jack in for Beats freestyle
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: that was legendary, Like if did you like, were you
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: purposely only grabbing shit you knew you could clear?
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: No, I was grabbing everything I liked that year. So
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: like some of the dopest beats right came out that year.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: But back then you couldn't just go on YouTube and
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: typing something something instrumental. And I'm not sure even back
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: then we had records. We was in record pools. We okay,
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: he was getting all the records, so we had you know,
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: it was instrumentals on each.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: Would you who if you if you could pick like
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: three beats.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Right now, if you did a twenty twenty four jack
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: and for beats current beats? Is there anything that comes
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: to mind that you would you would you would hop on?
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: Oh man, I like us, I mean that's that's it,
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: That's what would be uh man, I love that twenty
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: one Savage Red Run want it all while we have
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: bread Crumb.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah that's hard.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: And uh man, let me think about what other beats
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: that got me going crazy this year? M them two
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: are the two that come to mind.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: Do you look at uh death Certificate as like your Illmatic,
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: your magnum opus of an album?
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's it's pretty both. You know America's
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: most and Death Certificate are pretty you know, epic records.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: You know, they're like my Citizen Kane, so.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: Just like you're left and right hand.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's uh amazing time in music. You know how
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: those records was put together, very entertaining records.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: Captivating, like the energy just captivated, Like when you like
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: listen to like Summer Vacation, you're like Damn. I feel
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: like like I wasn't there, but I felt like I
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: felt like that was like the energy of it.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was the energy at the time. And yeah, amazing,
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: amazing records.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: You've you've talked about your relationship with John Singleton at
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: with but I'm curious, how were you tapped in it
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: all to Snowfall, which was kind of his last thing
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: that he not a lot, not a lot in Snowfall
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: because obviously he passed away. Yeah, I mean even before that,
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: you know, he just had a lot of issues with
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: the with the the station, the FX or something and
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: people running the show, and he couldn't really do it
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: the way he might have been exactly how he wanted
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: to do it. And you know, John Singleton is at
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: his best when he can do what he feels and
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: he's not harnessed. And so I don't want to I
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: don't want to look at the TV version of It's
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: almost like if you were gonna watch it, you would
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: wanted to have watched it without knowing all that, like
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: going to.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: It blindly, right, Yeah, but you know I knew.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: Like I watched it not knowing that, Like I mean,
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: obviously you kind of knew it was based off Freeway
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: with Ross, right, but like I didn't know that, Like
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: there was like this thing where you know, I guess
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: he wanted he was he wanted to get some sort
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: of credit, you know, Like it was kind of like
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: based on my life. Loosely, I already watched.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: It's a lot of people out there with the saying, right,
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: that's fair. It's just the most famous one. To be fair,
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: You you bring dope in your neighborhood and you make
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: a lot of money.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: And at the time the CIA was providing it.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you make a lot of money, but you're gonna
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: fuck up the neighborhood.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: Yo, when you you and Pooh wrote Friday.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: Because Friday's one of the most pivotal.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: Moments in my life as a child, I talk like
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: smoky as a as a white child in Arizona. Yeah,
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: for at least a two year period. I mean I
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: was like eight years old when that movie came out,
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: and that movie literally changed my life. I know the
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: entire movie by heart, as a lot of other people
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: do that, Like some of the scenes, did you understand
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: how they were gonna translate? Like you got knocked the
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: fuck out man?
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah?
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: Or or smoky smoke, an angel dust running down the
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: street while the dudes is bust Like did y'all understand
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: like how crazy? Like like yo, this shit's gonna go off?
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: Like yeah, we knew it wasn't nobody in Hollywood like
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: us me and Pool. We knew you got your black
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: dudes in Hollywood, and you got your for real funny dudes.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: But it ain't none of them like us. Ain't none
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: of them gonna come from this angle of comedy.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: It was so good, just a little like just like
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: even like Pool with the chains, like my Mama change man,
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: Like there was just I just wonder like like that's
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: like one of the most brilliantly written like comedies of
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: all time.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: And it's you know, it's here's why people love the movie.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: It's everybody can live a Friday, right like you and
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: your man and go out here, have a crazy Friday,
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: staying right in front of it, right in front of
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: y'all spot and smoke one and just watch and trip
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: off come up and you know, just you know, anybody
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: can live at So it's very relatable. And what's what's
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: memorable is is the day you all remember it's today
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: that the Bully gets his ass with what's coming to everybody.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: Remember whoever they have in their mind, and if they
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: saw them get it, they remember that day how it
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: played out, and it's uh, it gives you a euphoria
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: when you see that because nobody really likes it.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: Bully, you know, was it was it like a difficult
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: transition or was it easy for you to like go
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: from being one of the most prolific mcs and writers
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: on the music side to writing a movie that's a
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: whole different format that.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't easy. I ain't gonna say it was easy.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: It was. I had never been to film school, I
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: had never written the script. So actually John Singleton encouraged
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: me to write scripts when we was doing Boys in
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: the Hood. He said, when you're gonna write a script, cute,
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: which caught me off guard because I was just trying
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: on the act. That was your first movie. Are you
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: trying to suck these lines to man? Let alone write
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: the script? Like, what are you talking about? He's like,
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: you think he said you like doing Boys in the Hood.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, man, it's good. You know, it's
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: cool shit write the script? You said, Uh, you think
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: Hollywood got another movie for your ass out there. Hollywood
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: ain't got shipped for you. Man, if you want to
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: do movies, you're gonna have to write your own movies
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: if you want to do them, and that that kind
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: of was like, oh damn. And then he was like,
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: you can do it. Cute because I see this the
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: music you write. You know, it's vivid. People can see it.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: You can see the see play out in their heads.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: So you can write a script. Man, You just gotta
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: understand the framework, parameters and what you got to get across.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: And Friday the franchise has just been like the launching
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: pad for like Chris Tucker, Mike Epps, Kat Williams, Uh.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: Jerry Crew.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: A lot of times, the first people ever seen Bernie
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: Mack was on the first Friday. A lot of people
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: didn't weren't watching. You know that in comedy, you know
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying. So I'm sure cast in that movie
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: had to be just fun. Like I could just imagine, like.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: Oh, we had a ball, you know. Once I knew
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: I got John Witherspoon, I knew we was gonna have
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: a funny movie.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: God rest his soul.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: Man. Yeah, getting him to play my father in the
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: movie was a home run and getting them to seriously
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: look at Chris Tucker because originally Pool was supposed to
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: play smoking DJ Pooh. We wrote it for us to
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: do it, and then once Newline got involved with the movie,
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: they it was concerned he didn't have enough acting experience.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: So that's why he played red hm hmm. So it
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: was there was actual you know, they look poo is amazing.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: He would have been a double smoky too, without a doubted.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: The lines was there, you know, but uh, they were
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: trying to put in known actors to be smoky, like
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: non comedians Tommy Davidson name came up and other people
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: which I thought they were funny. But to me to
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: take this movie serious and to really have this movie
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: catch you kind of off guard, I really wanted to
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: be the only known face in it. I wanted to folks.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: I knew you would recognize with Jeana King and tiny,
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: but as far as my guy right, I wanted to
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: be a new, fresh face because nobody would come in
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: the movie thinking live in color or you know, I
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: already have their on what kind of funny he's gonna be.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: It was just this was a new character like for
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: most people Chris Tucker is smoky Like, it's nothing before
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: that that they can really.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because even if you watch the Fifth Element, he
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: just played like a weird, like a different version of
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: smoky in the Fifth Element. Yeah, you know, so like
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: a sassy, smoky Fifth Element with Bruce Willis.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: And it's because you know, that's the first real thing
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: you've seen the man, and that's really what I wanted that.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: Effect facts, Yeah, it works. I want to jump ahead
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: a little. One of my favorite albums of all time
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: is bow Down Gangster Killer and Dobe Buelers Fucking just
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: one of my favorite songs to ever be made.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: You guys were in this mix with Common when Common
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: dropped I Used to love Her? Yeah, and he had
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: his verse that you guys reacted to on West Side Slaughterhouse.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: Is it safe to say west Side Slaughterhouse was kind
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: of like the conception of West Side Connection.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: It was was now it was on.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm curious, did you guys take real offense to
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: like when you heard I used to love Her? Like,
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: what were your guys' thoughts? Like, because you guys are
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: motivated enough to put that record together.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: I think what it was was we saw a wave coming.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: I think we had saw first before before we took
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: any offense to that record. It was records like fuck Compton,
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: they came out, Tim Dogg, Tim Dogg, and and so
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: we felt like the more successful we got, the more
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: pot shots we were starting to hear from New York
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: and starting. Yeah, it was it was called keep it real.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: That's what they keep it real. We don't keep it real.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: This is real hip hop. We're keeping it real here.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: So that was the kind of line in the sand
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: between patting us on the back for being this new
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: phenomenon to how many records these niggas gonna put out?
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: You know what I meant it first, but damn. And
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: so we were starting to get pot shots, and I
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: think Common just got caught up in all that because
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: Uh master As had did a record Caross slaughter House
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: where he was like, that's why we did West Side
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: slaughter House because he was saying our records was just
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: saying murder, murder, murder.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: Kill, kill, kill, And I mean, I know he's amazing,
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: but Born de Role is like, if you heard it,
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: you might think exactly.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: So we were starting to take offence, and you know,
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: at first, we was like, Yo, we're just now getting
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: accepted in hip hop. Let us be cool, you know,
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: and not trip because we all know how to turn
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: a party out, and it's just gonna go bad. It
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: ain't gonna be nobody, gonna have no funds. It's just
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: gonna go bad for us. But it was like, this
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: is all we could take. You know, Somebody gotta somebody
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: gotta stop this, or everything we've accomplished will be erased
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: and negated and looked at as like just a blip
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: on the hip hop radar. And I'm like, no, we
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: have to solidify what we've done in hip hop, and
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: the way to do that is to band together under
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: this West Side umbrella.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: So the Bitch and You comes out. Yes, when you
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: first hear it, Yeah, how do you feel?
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: Well? I mean I had a record, It's a hard record.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: I had a record cock. I had a record cocked
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: and loaded and ready to attack. Okay. Then I get
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: a call from Minister Farrah con after this is after
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: the Bitch and You drops, Yes, okay, But he caught
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: all the rappers together because he saw getting out of
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: hand and basically was like, if y'all don't call some
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: kind of truce with this. Somebody is gonna could die
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: and not because as somebody from the West sidegunt tack
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: com or somebody from Commons side gonna attack us. But
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: now you have maybe a third party could do something
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: to one of us and then we're gonna blame each other.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: So when you beef in public, it gives you or not,
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: it gives an opportunity for third party. And we was
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: thinking government CIA to step in and kill one of us,
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: hurt one of us, and then we're gonna.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: Start blacken each other, incite this, divide and conquer.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: In the by the way, that's a real thing, without
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: a doubt. That's all that's happened in different facets of
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: the country over time, like and and to destroy other
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: countries and coops and all.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: It happens. For sure, it happened to the Nation Islam
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: with Malcolm X. They was beefing. Somebody come in and
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: kill Malcolm X. Now one side blaming the other. Other.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: Now that being said, it was it was just in
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: the best interest to to stop the beef right there
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: and not do the records that I had what was
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: the name of the song you had cocked and loaded?
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I got to look at my notebook.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: It's buried in my notebook. I haven't it was it
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: was crazy though, yeah, I mean I was. It was
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: a disc record.
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: Did you think The Bitching You was a hard record?
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: I didn't feel those things from it, Okay, that's fair,
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: you know. I didn't feel like, uh, you know, I.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: Was just wonder because obviously you guys are like, I.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: Mean, we're cool now, but I just want to hear
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: the record, and I think I only heard the records once.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: I only heard it once when somebody did you only
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: want to listen to it one time?
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: You're not going to go back into to it once
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: unless you're Drake and everywhere you go it's playing.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: And you know, to me, it was, uh, you know,
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: it was cool.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, now that was, you know, an interesting time for sure.
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: On the new record, you say that you're here to
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: fight reptiles and lizards.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: Now, I know that you and I are probably a
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: little more on the conspiracy side than other people. Huh
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: did you mean like reptilians lizard people?
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: I think that's what we all fighting somewhere somehow.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: I'm just curious. Yeah, that stuck out.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: It is Yeah, I think we all fighting some kind
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: of forces that are not happy with humanity and trying to,
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: you know, make sure we're self destruct.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: Do you feel like I don't want to get too
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: specific with like any sort of politics or anything, but
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: you know, with what's going on obviously the election just ended.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: There is a real economy in division. Yeah.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: People's entire livelihoods and their houses and their car notes
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: are paid based on peddling divisive material to divide people, right,
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: And I'm just curious from your perspective, you've I mean
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: you've seen, I mean, you've been a part of so
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: many different like eras of the country as a black
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: man in America. Obviously, fucking you've talked about I think
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: a bird in the hand and the bushy, the first bush, Jesus,
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: the first bush, you know what I mean? Even Reagan,
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: it was were you wrapping in before?
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: Man?
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: But I'm just curious, like, what what would you say,
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: like if you had to kind of as somebody who's
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: kind of seen I don't know if the country has
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: ever been this divided, Like, what do you think would
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: be the healing factor.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: For people to mind their own business a little more?
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: I love that, Yeah, I think if if you wait
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: make up, and you in social media and you're looking
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: at everybody business and you affected negatively, and you start
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: affecting people around you negatively because of other people's business
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: that you've been watching, that's a problem. Minding your own
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: business don't just mean ignoring the world. It means everybody
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: got shit they need to do in their own life,
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: and they need to mind their own business like you
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: mine a goal mine, like clean your shit up, fix
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: your shit. You got your loose sinds, type your loose sinds,
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: work on your business, and not worry about the fate
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: of the world, because nine times out of ten, you're
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: getting frustrated and worked up about somebody else's business and
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: some shit that don't even concern you.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're getting frustrated and worked up because that's
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: with the purpose of probably that's what that's what they
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: want exactly.
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: And you're not hit till you hit, and you're not
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: hurt till your hit. So stop waiting. You know what
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: makes a soldier fight on through the bullets that are
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: coming at him? Why does he keep going? How does
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: he keep going when he knows bullets are incoming? Because
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: you're not hit till you hit, so you might not
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: ever get hit. So why sit there and ship your
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: pants when you're not even hit. So most of the
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: time people are crying and yelling and this is my
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: life gonna change and my rights and it not even
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: really affects them, you know. They just get worked up
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: over other people's business.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and even like sometimes like they're getting worked up
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: over what they perceive to be factual when a lot
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: of times it's not.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: It's not. You know, people always think they can sing
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: into the future on how it's gonna be, But that's okay.
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: I'm like, hey man, we've lived through everybody, right, so
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: it's gonna be. There's gonna be another president of four
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: years and another one after that.
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: I'm curious.
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: You and your wife are one of probably the most
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: successful marriage in hip hop at this point.
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: How many years thirty two? Uh, we've been together since
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: nineteen eighty nine, so I'm married in nineteen ninety two.
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: That's beautiful, as somebody I've been married for over five years?
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: What is the key to lasting that long? Because sometimes
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: me and my wife want to kill each other.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, you gotta you gotta want to be there.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: You know, you gotta understand the reason you married this person,
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: and you gotta want to be there. You gotta you know,
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: be a giver, not a receiver. And the more you give,
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: the more you will receive in a relationship. That's right.
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: And so you know, having somebody to go through this
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: crazy life with and if you guys can have each
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: other's back where it's us against the world. And the
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: thing is, when it's real tight, whether you're married or not,
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: y'all still be like that. That's a real commitment marriage
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: and all that just a license paperwork. You have to
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: be committed to a person for life. And you stay
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: down with her. She stayed down with you, and let
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: the chips fall what they may. And we could yell
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: all day at each other, but still love your ass.
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: You Still we're still gonna be Yeah, I ain't going nowhere.
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: You ain't going nowhere. You know, we're gonna work through it,
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: live through it, and come through it, yo. Whatever.
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: Like how close or how far along was the idea
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: of the new n w A when like hello and
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: chin check and all that ship was like was it
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: was it like a thing that was getting worked on
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: or was it just a night because you guys were
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: I think there was this there was the source cover
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: that was.
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah. We we were just you know, kind of figuring
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: our next moves in a lot of ways. We had
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: just really start to come back together after you know,
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: Easy passed away and it was just you did like
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: natural Born Killers. Yeah we did that, but that was
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: that was for the that was for the murder, was
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: the case soundtrack, and basically what happened. You know, we
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: thinking about, Okay, this is a project that we we
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: like working together. We could get together and do a
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: whole nother project. Then dra meet some kid named eminem.
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: Crazy some kid, and then and then it just was like.
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: Man and then after that he meets some dude named fifty,
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: and it was kind of like the hold on cue
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: I got. I got a few things to do before
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: we get to that, which is understandable.
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: And you guys were on the up and smoke tour together.
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, we had fun. You know, we all went
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: out big tour.
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: I'm sad because I sold so many of my CDs
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: to the warehouse to afford my ticket in Phoenix, Arizona,
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: And that was one of the dates you were.
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: Not Yeah, when they put the tour together. I had
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: spot dates, so I had to miss one or two.
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: You miss Phoenix, Yeah, I was like, wait Ice Cubes
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: that performing the night?
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: What the fuck? Yeah? That was trust me, I was
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: I was hating effect that I was a crazy somewhere
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: else on some smaller ship and I'm.
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: Like, ah, that was a crazy tour though it was.
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: It was. It was as fun and big and crazy
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: as you can imagine.
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: You had like that run like around the war and
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: peace times when you were like on Corn's followed the
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: Leader and then they were on your album and then
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: you were doing like a lot of rock festivals or
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: shows like I remember just like seeing that shit on
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: MTV news all the time. Yeah, what like like what
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: made you and Corn like hit it off to where
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: you guys did a couple of records together.
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: You know, after doing a Lola it was a tour
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: in ninety two. I was, you know, hot with that market.
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: So it was always you know, me and my management
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: looking for ways to connect with another rock group or
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: do some cool shit. And I ended up getting with
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: new management and they one of the groups was Corn,
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: and so I dug the record because it was incorporating
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: hip hop into this rock and sure you have a
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: breakbeat breakout and then they go back and yeah, I'm like, oh,
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: this shit is dope. So meeting them, you know, just
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: saying how cool they wash, it was like, dude, you
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: know we're working on some shit. If you want to
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: come get down, let's get down. And we did stuff
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: together and then we went on the Family Values Tour.
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: That's the tour. Lamp Biscuit, Yah, yeah, Limp Biscuit, that's
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: like yeah corn Limp Biscuit. A group called uh minished
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: Well I wasn't Ministry, it was damn They are called
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: how Many Values to Ours? That's a fucking legend. The
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: front ro Romstein, Wait, Romstein was on that.
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: Trash mash and and then ice.
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: Cube them motherfuckers a day on.
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: Like h that's just such a crazy, like sonic opposite
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: of the spectrum like industrial German rock.
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: These motherfuckers will put theirself on fire in the middle
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: of the Ramstein Dudes, Romstein, Dudes, Ramstein, Ramstein. This motherfucker
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: would be performing and then they would come and put
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: this vadast ship on him, right, not ship, but it
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: was like some uhlobby ship.
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: That they could on fire without killing.
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: Such as motherfucker on fire? Was this before you went on? Yeah?
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: So so then you're like, I gotta follow the dude
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: who just set himself on fire?
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, this ship was good. No, it was after us,
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: yeah yeah, yeah, it was. Thank god it was after us,
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: but we would be tripping off these dudes. Man, they was.
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: They was like, this was some of the crazy ship
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: I ever seen.
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: And I mean yeah, the mosh pits had to be crazy.
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: It was fun. Yo.
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: What would you say is your worst movie out of
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: all the bigger ones? Your worst big budget movie?
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: What's your I'll go first the Triple X. Uh well,
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: I would say, uh Ghost of Mars Is I forgot
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: about that one. You're right about that. That was I
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: did some ship called Rampart with I remember Rampart with
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: Woody Harrelson. Yep, that's garbage. Okay, it wasn't. Fucking Triple
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: X is better than that ship. Come on, man, Triple X.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: The only reason to me, Triple X had the wrong director.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: They had an old school director when they should have
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: got somebody wasn't exhibiting Triple X too. Yeah yeah, yep, yeah,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: that was a Sam Jackson and William Dafoe. It was
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: just the wrong director. You know. He didn't he didn't
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: add no, no, no spice to it. It just felt old.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: What is your, in your opinion, your most underrated movie
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: that you don't get You don't you know? I mean
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: you've done all about the Benjamins. Yeah, for sure, I agree.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: Follow Yeah, Mike Apps, you feel like that's the Mike
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: Apps movie that really made people be like, oh ship, yeah,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: Mike Is.
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  Speaker 1: I love working with Mike. He's he's uh, he's my
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: favorite person to work with.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: Is Uh. It's gonna be difficult to pull off this
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: new Friday movie. Obviously, I'm excited because John will not
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: be in it.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: Well, I think Friday's great. Is Friday has a universe
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: of people. It does, and if we make a movie
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: that that is on point, he will be missed, but
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: he won't ruin the movie.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: You gotta have unk in it. Of course, something has
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: gotten with the barbecue spot. I got it, I got it,
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: I got this watch. Did you like my video?
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: Oh? I loved it. It wasn't entertainment, it was great.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: And and then did you was that a wig you
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: had on it? On? Now? Hell? Yeah, you know that
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: you don't look like Moore's day for real.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: This is this is this is uh okay, so kill
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: it will comes out and that's your last album in
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: which you had like long hair and the death certificate
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: you got the fade. Yeah, were you like worried about
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: cutting your hair and like because you just like it
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: was there's almost like this era of Cube where it's like, okay,
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: there's Jerry Jerry curl Cube and then haircut Cube.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: I wasn't worried at all. I had to cut my
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: hair because for acting. No, I just got a pool. Okay,
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: I could afford a pool. I was in that shit
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: every day. And if you can imagine how Jerry Curle
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: look after you swim every day for a whole summer. Shit,
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: that shit was looking like you know afro. So I
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: was like, I love this fucking pool. I'm gonna be
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: in this shit every day. So I cut my hair
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: because I couldn't. I couldn't keep it from looking fucked up.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: Seventh season of Big Three just wrapped.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: Eighth, Yeah, seventh, we're going into today.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: Going into the eighth season. Uh I know that. Uh
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: you know, for people who watch it, they just love it.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: They appreciate it, and I'm just curious, like, did you
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: ever figure out what the disconnect has been with like
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: the NBA?
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know what it is. That's easy. They mad
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: they didn't think of the ship and they don't want
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: somebody like me running something like this when they believe
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: they own basketball, but they don't because.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: They have the w NBA, they have the G League,
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: They have.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: Every base covered except for what happens when players, but
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: they don't own basketball. Correct. Nobody runs and say, ma,
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: I'm going out to go play NBA. They say I'm
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: going out to go play basketball. So there's room for
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: the Big three to exist, and we will exist. We
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: don't even need the NBA at this point. Do you
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: think it's an Adam Silver thing? Of course, it's a
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: straight I mean, is it a smart business decision not
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: to work with me and the big No? Okay, so
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: it got to be personal.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that doesn't make any sense to me.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: It don't make crazy man sense, as my man keyboard was.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: Saying, because you could like embrace it and then it
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: could be this cool place where players go. It's like, hey,
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: you retired.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: They didn't think of it. They don't want me running it.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: They don't want to work with it, so we don't
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: need them now. Maybe four or five years ago we
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: probably wanted them to do it, but now they were
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: just being on.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: Well they never embraced and won back in the day.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: Remember this is bigger, I mean not bigger. This is different.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: It's different. But I'm saying like they didn't embrace that
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: because they they didn't want, you know, that style of
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: play to come into the NBA for the Big three?
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: Is there?
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: I know I saw somebody. There's going to be expansion,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: right like new Ts and all that.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well we're selling teams, so teams are now going
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: to be represented by cities and then after we sell
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: a lot of twelve, we'll expand.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: So right now there's twelve teams that people can invest in,
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: eight because four have been So if somebody wanted to
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: invest in the team and bring it to Phoenix, what
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: would they have to do?
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: Shit, have some MS, A lot of MS, A lot
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: of MS, I mean, you know, a reasonable amount.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: A reasonable amount of MS. Yes, some fucking money per se.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's fair. It is fair to.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: Talk to me about the album. I've heard that it's
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: amazing good.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: I believe it is you know it's called man Down,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: and you know I have to accumulate it the record.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: That's what I ended up calling it because it felt
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: like a record talking about a lot of different subjects.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: A few of them have to deal with the state
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: of men and how you know, how are added two
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: d is in twenty twenty five four Pussification of men? Yeah,
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know it's sad, and so you know
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: it's really about us standing up, you know what I mean.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: Don't be a pussy all your life. Be a dick
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: sometime and get hard. I like, what, yo, was it cool? Going?
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: I went to Joe Rogan spot in Austin with Freddy
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: Gibbs when Freddy Gibbs did it, Yeah, he's got like
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: it's very like an unassuming building, like you wouldn't even
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: know it's there. Yeah, but let you go in and
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: it's like this is a place, Like how cool was that?
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: Being able to link with him. Obviously a lot of
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: people would say he might have just you know, thrown
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: the election in someone's favor, but because he is the
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: biggest media platform in the world.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, real cool, you know, being able to you know,
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: see how he get down And I've been a fans
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: of that dude since fear factor for sure, and then
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: to see him you know, getting to the UFC and
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: really be you know, extremely you know, passionate and full
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: of information. Yeah, which to me helped you know, grow
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: that sport and get it to where it is. I
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: think his analysis was just as good as the fight.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: And so to see him using that platform and being
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: able to to talk about things in a in a
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: more you know cool setting two or three hours long
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: form really uh deep dive into each topic in each
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: conversation without feeling like you rushed or you you can't
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: get out of something cool that you think people will
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: want to see it here. So it was real cool
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: to hang with them and hope to do it again sometimes.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: Any features on the album on Man.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah, we definitely got features Exhibit Killer, Mike Buster,
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: Snoop forty, Short, j D, j D, Jermaine pre no
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: Nah Nah j D from the Lynch Mob. I mean,
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: I don't know man JD from the Lynch Mob, and
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: we got Corrupt on there be Real Yo.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: The it felt like the Mount Westmore album. It was
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: a little disappointing in terms of just like the impact
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: it made.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: It Yeah, what do you think.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: There were some dope joints on there? But where do
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: you think the Mount Westmore project? Because I think what
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: my favorite part that came out of that was you
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: guys did shows together. Yeah, and it gave fans like
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: you could go see all of y'all together on stage,
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: which was amazing. But in terms of like the actual
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: body of work, it got like mixed up with the NFT.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: It was delayed a bunch of times, Like yeah, it
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: just you know, the the NFT thing was it was
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: a mistake in a lot of ways, and it's just
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: a project that kind of took too long to hit.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: And you know, you got four people trying to come
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: together to do something and everybody else they couldn't hold
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: on no more, so they had to go do their
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: own solo shit and couldn't really work the record or
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: you know, promote the record or really.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: Tour the record, right, I mean there was some dope.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, you guys have some records they got played
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: on radio, and shit.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: It's a good record. You know, just wish we could
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: have wish it would have came out on time and
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: and you know we had time to really work.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: It for Let's say there's a seventeen year old kid
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: who hears it's my ego for the first time, and
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: they hear you I was Kendrick before Kendrick. Yeah, explain
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: because I said, I.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: Know what you mean, but like, well, I started kicking
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: what we call street knowledge a long time ago, and
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: it's a blend of you know, what's happening on the
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: streets and what's happening in the world, and you know,
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: being able to do it in a dope way in
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: a hip hop form and still be you know, fresh
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: but informative is a style at that. Uh. You know,
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: I've helped coin with a few other ogs, you know,
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: like Iced Tea and Carras and you know, the Meley
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: mel and rock Kims of the world. But and you
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: were like also a good kid in a mad city
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: before that was the thing, Like yeah, I mean, you know,
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: we all was like you were like, you know.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: Trying to like get your shit together, going to you
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: went to Arizona to go to college and shit, but
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: you still were kind of telling the story of your
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: of your neighborhood and of your Yeah, and you know, I.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: Start rapping at fourteen years old, So it's it's an
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: age where you trying to figure out which way you're
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: gonna go. You're gonna go sports dope, gang banging. Luckily
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: hip hop was right there, and so that's the door
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: I went through and it's gotten me here. Uh So,
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: you know, the line is not a disc The line
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: to me is paying homage to what Kendrick has done
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: in the Gang to be honest, or I wouldn't even
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: say that about to do the halftime show. Yeah, so
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: salute to all those Grammy nominations, Salute to him being
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: a true artist and not compromising the art for the fame.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: And I believe I'm the same type artists.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: Well, he just got I think six or seven Grammy
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: nominations for Not Like Us Today.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: Good.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: Can you imagine if like no Vassiline in the Night
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: would have got like Grammy nominations and melted the Academy down.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: Ship.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: They're still not even showing the Best Rap Album award
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: on TV, which is fucking preposterous to me.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just you know, it's them trying to keep
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: some sense.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: Of number one genre of music in the world. But
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: you know, let's not show you the Album of the
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: Year A couple of quick things. Would you ever do
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: a podcast under the right circumstances, because I feel like
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: if you were just like speaking on your perspective of
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: current events or music, I just feel like it would
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: be Yeah, I can make it work. It's an eight
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: figure idea right there. You got to do it, man,
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: can make it work. And I mean obviously there's been
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: guys who have done it. Would there ever be a
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: world in which you would ever make up with mac
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: ten and do another West Connection album?
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: Time will tell. I don't know fair enough. Yea, the
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: new album Man Down? Yeah, uh, what is the what's
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: the release date?
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: November twenty right around the corner?
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: We got you and Snoop dropping Like yeah, Snoop's back
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: with Dre. This new record feels like classic Cube, like
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: the West Coast got.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: This ship right now? Man? Why not?
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: You know the dog pounds dropped on Death Row.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: Hey, we ain't never went nowhere, We just got busy,
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: but we're back.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: Do you take like when you when you hear that
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: term like legacy artists, I feel like that's a good thing,
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: is that you're still here and you're still go.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know you still hear people still give
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: a fuck, you know, I know, uh, you know, people
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: gonna put titles on on on you when you've been
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: around for decades, and that's cool, you know, as long
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: as they still paying attention, you know, calling the old
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: school og legacy legend, you know what I mean.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: Just don't call me whack and you're I know you're
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: working on a lot of other shit, but uh, besides Friday,
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: any other movies in the works you're writing in the oh.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely got we got some things cocked and loaded.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: I can't wait to see it, man. I feel like
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: it's been a few years since I've seen you, like
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: on a on on a big screen, so it's been
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: a minute, do you uh randomly? Also, I just got
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: to give you props because you also have besides Friday,
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: the twenty one Jump Street. Yeah, ship like you're you're
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: rolling that as the as the Captain is so good.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: Thanks, thanks, Oh, it's so good.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: I just got to give you props. I can't wait
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: to hear the album. Man, the new record is dope.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: The remixes out, will bust a rhyme and kill a
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: Mike and uh yeah, man down. November twenty second, ice
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: Q one of the greatest of all time. Yeah yeah,
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: I appreciate you man, Luke, I appreciate you too.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: Oh.