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(Chats 9-9-26) Breaking OWCP: The Ultimate Guide to CA-7 Forms and Getting Paid · Breaking OWCP with Chris & Gini

• 0:03
  SPEAKER_00: Welcome back to the Breaking O WCP podcast.
• 0:08
  SPEAKER_00: Join Chris and Jeannie as they bring you expert advice on Federal WorkersCom, guiding you step by step to get back to work the right way.
• 0:16
  SPEAKER_00: Let's break down the barriers and get you the help you deserve.
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_06: We've been gone a couple of weeks, so it's really good to be back.
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_06: Although we are both under the weather.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_06: So if we sound bad or if we look horrible, it's because we feel that way.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_06: But we've been gone for a couple of weeks, so it's time to come back and do a class, and we're going to talk about CA7s tonight, the claim for compensation, and teach you how to get paid when you're off of work.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_04: So I'm going to do some housekeeping while I share.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, everyone, do us a favor and uh share this with a friend because we can only help people that are watching us.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_06: So we really appreciate the share.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_06: Um, you can put a friend's name, put the at sign in their name in the comments, then they'll see it uh there as well.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_06: The thing that I that I find is that I still, after doing this for 10 years, I go into a room full of federal employees, and only about one-third of the room's ever even heard about me.
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_07: Yep.
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_06: I'm not trying to be famous at all, but if you haven't heard of me, you're probably not getting the help that you need if you get hurt at work.
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_06: So do a friend a favor and let them know that we're here.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_06: We've been here for a very long time.
• 1:26
  SPEAKER_06: We're gonna be here for a very long time to come.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_04: 11 years.
• 1:29
  SPEAKER_06: So share, share, share.
• 1:31
  SPEAKER_06: Uh, where have we been?
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_06: For the first time in a long time, we have not been at OWCP events, which is well, we were at one.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, we went to Fort Lauderdale.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and all of you guys just got back from convention, national convention.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_06: So for all you roll carriers, I'm very sorry I missed you in Dallas.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_06: I was there, but I didn't make it.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_06: That's how that goes.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_06: Yep.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_06: Um, we were at the Bureau of Prisons National Convention, and those guys are the funniest.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_06: I mean, I don't want to I don't want to be in a fight with any of them.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_06: The smallest among them could probably whip me, but they're great dudes.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_06: And then um we went to Las Vegas.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_06: Uh our franchisee in Melbourne, Florida, and he's got he's Melbourne, Orlando, got married to his fiancee uh Mercedes.
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_06: So Dr.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_06: Dorfman is married.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_06: Everyone, congratulations to Dr.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_06: Dorfman.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_06: Uh, so we went there for that, and then I left from there to meet one of our sons and go to watch Notre Dame, go Irish, play Wisconsin at um Lambeau Field and Green Bay, and that was a fantastic experience.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_06: But thanks to um the changing environments, coming from Florida to Las Vegas to Green Bay, I came home pretty sick.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_06: But that's how that goes.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_06: And it actually happens more often than what you would think with all the traveling we do.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_06: And you know, airplanes, airports, just crowds, it happens.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_04: And those of you that follow my personal page, if you saw the post that I made that um after we probably have flown over 100 flights in 11 years.
• 3:10
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, that's actually way low.
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_06: We've never it's like 50 a year.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_04: We've never been duct taped to the seat.
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_06: No, but it is like 50 flights a year, though, which is quite a bit more than 100.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, yeah.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_06: It's closer to like 5,000.
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_04: It's crazy.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, it's a lot of flights, lots of flights.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_06: And yeah, um, to date, I've not been duct taped to a seat.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_06: Uh, I've never been zip-tied to the to the armrest ever.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_04: Or got taken out by, you know, a federal agent.
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, yeah.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_06: I've never had like an air marshal try to tackle me or anything like that.
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_06: Um, so word to the wise, just a note.
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_06: When you're on a plane, behave yourself.
• 3:47
  SPEAKER_06: They don't like it very much, and you're probably never gonna fly again.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, don't.
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_06: Did everybody see that?
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_06: Did you see this guy duct tape?
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_06: That was if you go to my movies.
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_04: If you go to my uh Facebook page, Serogeny Helms, you'll see that I made a post.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_06: Remember in Wolf of Wall Street when he was all he was uh uh tied down to his chair and his friend told him that what he was loud or he was but he was actually really, really uh gross.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 4:13
  SPEAKER_06: Anyways.
• 4:13
  SPEAKER_04: All right, so tonight you guys had asked about two weeks ago now.
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and the reason again we weren't on is because we had some travel, personal travel to do.
• 4:26
  SPEAKER_04: But um what was I gonna say?
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_04: We're back and you guys wanted to know how to get paid.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_04: We're gonna talk about how you file your CA 7s, when to file your CA 7s, what to attach to CA7s.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_04: And uh, if anybody gets on the replay of this afterwards and you have questions, please still put your questions below because we will answer them tomorrow.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_06: So let's get into it.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_06: Um, I'm talking about the form CA7.
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_06: You can find all forms at our website, federalentrycenters.com.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_06: Um, by the way, my mouth is like cotton.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_06: I'm taking so much medicine.
• 5:05
  SPEAKER_06: I've got water.
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_04: Water, okay.
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_06: So if I sound like I've got cotton mouth, it's because I'm taking a lot of medicine.
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_06: Sorry about that.
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_06: My S's don't sound the same coming out in my own ears.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_06: Um, but the claim for compensation.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_06: The number one thing that you have to know, in order to get paid, your claim must be accepted.
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_06: You can have continuation of pay on a CA1 claim.
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_06: CA1 claim, a thing that happened in a single shift.
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_06: Um, you report it within 30 days, but you report it now because that's the way we do it.
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_06: As a result, you're eligible for COP.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_06: COP is good for up to 45 calendar days of time off.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_06: And after that, if your claim's not approved, then what are you gonna do?
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_06: Well, um, you can take sick and annual leave and then buy that back later, but at some point your claim must get approved in order to be able to get paid ongoing leave without pay, LWAP.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_06: And that's a thing that a lot of people don't understand is that, well, I got hurt, it was a legitimate injury, why aren't they paying me?
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_06: Well, because your doctor probably wrote a terrible narrative report or not one at all, and your claim's not accepted.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_06: So if you're in the uh unaccepted claims camp, you're never getting LWAP until the claim gets accepted.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_06: And so that's a serious problem.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_06: Also, there's a one-year uh cap on it, so, or time frame.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_06: You need to get all of your LWAP CA7s in within one year of the time off.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_06: Well, my claim's not accepted exactly, but you still want to e-conf it so the claims examiner has it.
• 6:33
  SPEAKER_06: When your claim gets approved, you go back and you say, hey, remember that time off, let's deal with that now.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_06: So, number one, your claim must be approved.
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_06: Um, two, there's got to be a medical rationale for you to be off of work.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_06: You can't just take off of work and say, well, I was hurt, so I'm off.
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_06: That doesn't work.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_06: Your doctor's got to fill out a CA 17, the duty status report.
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_06: And if the doctor thinks you can't work, then you're not gonna work.
• 7:00
  SPEAKER_06: But to go along with the CA 17, the doctor needs to write what we call a disability narrative, which explains why medically you're off of work.
• 7:09
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 7:09
  SPEAKER_06: And if you don't have that, then you're not gonna get paid.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_06: Now you can be off of work, but the CA 17 effectively gets you off of work, but it doesn't get you paid.
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_07: Correct.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_06: So you gotta make sure you've got that disability narrative to go with it.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_06: Another thing that I see a lot, unfortunately, is someone will call me or they'll message or whatever.
• 7:29
  SPEAKER_06: And let's say, hey Chris, I didn't get paid for this, you know, nine days.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_06: Can you help me?
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_06: Sure, let me let me check everything out.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_06: And they took the time off, but when reviewing the CA17, it turns out the doctor said they could go back limited duty.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_06: And so instead of going back to work, they didn't agree with the doctor, so they stayed home.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_06: You're never getting paid for that time off because the doctor said you could work.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_06: Now, some people say, Yeah, but if I go back to work, my supervisor's not going to give me limited duty, they're just gonna send me home anyways.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_06: Okay, exactly.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_06: Well, then you'll get paid.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_06: But if you just don't show up, you're not gonna get paid.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_06: So you gotta show up if the doctor says you can work.
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_06: But whatever happens, communicate with the doctor and make sure that you're on the same page.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_06: If the doctor says uh you can bend over all day long and you say, Hey, remember I got a herniated disc in my back, I can't bend, then the doctor can change the CA17.
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_06: That's your opportunity to communicate with the doctor while you're there.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_01: Correct.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_06: So uh your claim's got to be accepted.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_06: You need to be off taken off work by the doctor, and there's got to be a disability narrative explaining exactly why you're off of work.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_06: A doctor's note just saying off work is not gonna get it done.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_01: Correct.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_06: That doesn't work.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_01: Nope.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_06: And I had a guy a long time ago, he's not in our franchise, um, but a long time ago, he called me up and he said, Hey Chris, uh, this patient of mine wants to take a vacation and ask if I would fill out a CA 17.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_06: I said, Doc, never ask me that question again.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_06: Okay, OWCP is not a vacation.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_07: Correct.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_06: So um, our doctors are not allowed to do that because it's not, you know, it's not within the rules.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_06: You shouldn't want to do that.
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_06: The surest way to get paid is to clock in.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_06: Um, an OWCP injury is painful enough as it is without having to worry about how you're gonna get paid when you didn't go back.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_06: Um, uh by the way, if you have any questions along the way, just put them in the comments and I'll be happy to answer them.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_06: Um, I made some notes.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_06: Occasionally I like to do this.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_06: Today was one of those times since I got a little bit of brain fog.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_06: So I'm gonna make sure that I cover everything thoroughly.
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_06: Um, the next thing I want to tell you is that the CA7 has only one page for you to fill out and one page for management to fill out, and it's all done by e-comm now.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_06: But management makes mistakes.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_06: Your pay will be the result of whatever's on that form.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_06: If the man if management puts the wrong pay rate, the wrong number of hours, if they don't include extra time that you're getting paid, um, you're not gonna get that time.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_06: And if you're somebody that had an irregular work schedule and it's hard to kind of say what you were gonna get paid, then they're gonna look at last year's um pay and calculate it based on that.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_06: So you want to make sure that you look at the numbers and that it's all right because it's your money.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_06: And supervisors make mistakes all the time.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_06: We all know it.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_06: Yep, but it's your life, so you got to make sure you check on that.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_06: No questions yet.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_04: Well, we got Victor says, see you in Orlando for our fall uh APW conference.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_04: So, Victor, we are there, and then uh Lor Miss Murphy says, Is overtime supposed to be included in the weekly wage?
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, well, if overtime is part of your schedule, then yeah.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_06: Um, you want to make sure that it's accounted for, though, and you're you talk to the supervisor and you say, Yeah, but what about?
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_06: Because there are lots of things on there that you can claim.
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_06: And so you don't want to overlook that if it's if that's part of your regular schedule.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_04: And then we got federal injury centers of Melbourne on.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_06: Congratulations, Mercedes and Dr.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_06: Dortman.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_06: On your wedding.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, how are you guys all doing?
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_04: Everybody's hopping on a little late.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_04: Come on in, come on in.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_04: You can always watch the replay.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_06: Um, so next, uh dates matter.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_06: You gotta make sure that your CA7 and your medical documentation match up and your CA 17.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_06: If you're claiming compensation for seven days, but your uh documentation only accounts for five, you're only gonna get paid for five.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_06: But most likely they're gonna deny the entire thing because it doesn't match.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_06: Right.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_06: So take special care of does everything match up?
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_06: The doctor's notes, the CA 17, and the CA7, does it all match up?
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_06: If not, you're not gonna get paid.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_06: And the medical report needs causation, especially in the initial phase, when you're initially gonna be off of work, you just got hurt, the claims examiner is going to, and this happens all the time, um, they're gonna say, okay, your um your injury claim is approved, but your claim for compensation is not.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_06: Well, without good causation, explaining how the job um created the injury and caused you to need to be time uh be off of work, then you're not gonna get compensation either.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_06: So you got to make sure the doctor is doing really great medical narratives because the medical narratives are ultimately what get you paid.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_06: Well, this is really exciting, Tyne.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_06: Everyone's just blowing us up.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_06: Last time I talked about CA7s, I thought getting paid would be exciting.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_06: Uh partial disability can be compensable.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_06: So let's say you go to work and your shift is eight hours and you go to work four.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_06: You have a right to get paid the other four.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_06: So you have to fill out your CA7 and your CA7A time analysis form because you are entitled to all eight hours.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_06: Or if your shift is ten, whatever, you're entitled to all of it.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_06: So just because you go to work for a period of time does not mean you should not get paid for the entire time.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_06: Um, oh, this is a good one.
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_06: Your supervisor is not in charge of whether or not you get paid.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_06: Now they're not gonna like it when you're off of work, but their job is to fill out the paperwork and get the hell out of the way.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_06: OWCP claims examiners determine your um your pay, your eligibility, right?
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_06: Not the supervisor.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_06: Now the supervisor can object, but normally their objections don't hold up because they're not based on anything that's factual.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_06: Uh they just don't like it, and their opinions don't matter.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_06: Fill out the paperwork and get out of the way.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_04: Good question.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_04: Victor says a clerk on OWCP with restrictions working eight hours, but same clerk has an FMLA case stating clerk can only work six hours.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_04: Can management change clerk work hours from eight hours to six hours?
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, they can, for sure.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_06: I mean, so FMLA paperwork is medical documentation, and management's gonna have to follow what the medical documentation says.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_06: Now, if it's not an OWCP injury, that's a different thing.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_06: You know, that's uh that's light duty, not limited duty.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_06: And so those same rules don't necessarily apply, but uh agencies do have to follow FMLA because that's a that's a law.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_06: The A stands for Act, right?
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_06: Family Medical Leave Act.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_06: So it's law, they do have to follow it.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_04: Uh Nancy Lopez, what happens if the HR won't certify the hours for postal employees?
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_06: Well, they're required to.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_06: You follow grievance for sure, but not certifying the hours.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_06: The third page of the um CA7 is an instruction sheet, and there's nothing in the instructions that tells anybody in the agency that they don't have to do it.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_06: They're absolutely required to fill it out.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_06: If you're if your doctor took you off of work, they have to fill it out.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_06: What do you do?
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_06: I don't know, file a grievance.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_06: It you anybody ever heard you can't fix stupid?
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_06: I don't know what to do about that because the rules are in English.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_06: Maybe do they read English?
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_06: I don't have a good answer because that supervisor's doing the wrong thing.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_06: The rules are very clear, they have to fill it out.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_06: It doesn't, and again, they're not in charge of whether or not you get paid.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_06: OWCP is, but they have to give OWCP the information to make the decision.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_06: Um, the other thing I would do is um contact the claims examiner and let them know this is happening.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, you can always fill fill out your page and submit it.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_06: And on the second page, use a Sharpie.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_06: This is another way for the black Sharpie technique.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, and write agency refuse to fill out because the claims examiner is gonna go like, wait, what the heck?
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_06: Of course, it's all done electronically now, so I'm not sure how you're gonna sharpie it.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_06: But I think you can still print it out and e-comp it, you know, scan and e-comp it.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_06: But I would do whatever it takes to get paid.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_06: Um, I think your union could be very effective there.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_04: Uh Robin Hayes said, I'm getting ready to go out for shoulder surgery.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_04: I have an accepted claim, CA2.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_04: The doctor said I will be out for three and a half months.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_04: What day of the week do I submit my CA 7s?
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_04: And it will be two weeks at a time, correct?
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, so it is two weeks at a time.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_04: I saw and also I am on the ODL, but I can only claim the 40 hours a week, correct?
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_06: Well, you get to claim anything that was your regular work schedule.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_06: If it's 40 hours, that's 40 hours.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_06: If it's 30, it's 30.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_06: Let's be very clear.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_06: Whatever your work schedule is.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_06: Um I already forgot the first part of that.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_04: She said, just getting ready to go out on shoulder surgery.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_04: I haven't accepted CA2.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_04: The doctor said I'll be out for three and a half months.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_04: What day of the week do I submit my CA7 and will it be two weeks at a time?
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_06: So I read a uh note from a claims examiner once that told someone to fill it out every two weeks.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_06: That's why I say it.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_06: And there's no day of the week that you have to turn it in on.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_06: Um, you just have to turn them in regularly.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_06: And you have to know that there's a one-year deadline.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_06: I mean, I don't know who's going to miss a year.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_06: You want to get paid.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_06: Um, but if you just turn it in regularly every two weeks, you get paid regularly every two weeks.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_06: There's no day of the week you have to turn it in.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_06: But I would just, you know, I'd get on a some sort of a standard thing.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_06: I'd do it every Monday, every Friday, just so I don't forget.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_04: Uh Lee Y3S from YouTube.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_04: How are you?
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_04: What if you were out of work and the medical appointments with different doctors?
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_04: Who should fill out the paperwork?
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_06: Um, both actually, different doctors.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_06: If you saw two, three, four, each one of them needs to write something explaining why you were there, because you'll need that documentation to turn in with your CA7.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_06: Um, that's a great question.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_06: Um, because your treating doctor may send you to an orthopedic doctor, and you have to be at the ortho.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_06: The ortho should explain why you were there because uh that's how you get paid.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_04: Uh Amy J, what if a rule your route is nine hours and 40 minutes?
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_04: They decide to give a four-hour a day work, approved CA2.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_04: Do you get paid difference from eight hours or nine hours 40 minutes a day?
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_06: So roll carriers are different because if you take an hour off, it's like taking the whole day off.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_06: Um, so I I'd be surprised if they let you work four hours out of a nine and a half hour shift.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_06: But if they do, then your LWAP will be for five and a half hours, the other part of your normal schedule.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_06: But a lot of times roll carriers don't have that option, they just have to take the whole day.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_06: But if you have the opportunity to work half a day, then you file for the other half.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_04: Norax, how are you?
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_04: What's up?
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_04: Um, Lori, after my second spine surgery, ASCS implant with four-level laminectomy.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_04: My surgeon sent me for an FCE and said I whoops.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_04: Hold on, because you're on YouTube.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_04: For uh, my surgeon sent me for an FCE and said I have reached MMI.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_04: I feel that my pay hasn't been calculated correctly.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_04: I spoke with WA.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_06: I don't know what WA is, but I can tell you this.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_06: Your pay is going to be calculated based on your the what you were getting paid when you were injured.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_06: If you've been off work since then, you're gonna get your pre-injury pay.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_06: Um, if that's not correct, then you've got to go to the supervisor and make sure that on their second page that you have the right pay on there.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_06: Um, it's really important that you double check their work because they are known to make mistakes.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_04: Uh Lori, Wayne Johnson's office and was told to call back when the MMI is filed.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_04: Will the attorney calculate the wages for accuracy?
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_06: Um Yeah, I mean the attorneys that I know do that, but I would specifically ask attorney Johnson.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_06: I know him, he's he's a really good attorney.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_06: Um, but I would just ask him if that's something he does.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_06: But I think usually they do that.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_04: Amy J, if approved for a CA2 on periodic pay, paid every four weeks, have another CA2 just approved, do I send in two separate CA7s for each case or just one CA7?
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_06: Well, you can only be paid once.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_06: If your normal shift is eight hours, you can't be paid two eight-hour shifts.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_06: Um, so you're gonna have a CA 17 if you're off of work for the other case, but they're only gonna pay you on one of these.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_06: They're definitely not gonna pay you twice.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_04: Lakita, does the all or nothing rule apply to a role carrier who has an on-the-job injury and the doctor is requesting physical therapy?
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, sorry.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_05: Again.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_04: Does the all or nothing rule apply to a role carrier who has an on-the-job injury and the doctor is requesting physical therapy?
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, I mean it can, but again, you're I guess your supervisor and your agency can look the other way and let you work the whole shift.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_06: And if so, you fill out the CA7 for the time that you're that you're not at work.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_06: But every role carrier I've ever known says they have to take the whole day off.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_06: And then they get paid LWAP for that time.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_06: I think that's a stupid rule, but I didn't write the rule carrier contract.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_04: So Matt Hayes, can you find me a doctor who can answer a letter by September 12th?
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_06: Well, Matt, I'm not able to make referrals to doctors, but if you want to look at our website, look at federal injurycenters.com.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_06: If there's one close to you, um, there's a good chance that they can get that done.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_06: But um outside of our network of doctors, I don't really know others that do this.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_06: Sorry.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_06: But you're welcome to go check our our um locations tab and see if there's somebody close to you.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_04: Um oh Camilla said, hello, can I have attorney Johnson's information?
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_06: Do you have that?
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_06: I don't have it, but just do this go to Google and search OWCP attorney Wayne Johnson, Florida.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_06: I think he's in Orlando.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_03: I don't even know.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_06: I'm pretty sure he's I'm pretty sure he's in that area.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_06: Just Google him.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_06: He's gonna come up.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_06: He's got a website.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_04: Maria asking for a friend.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_04: What if the supervisor says they submitted the CA7 but still no payments?
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_04: And claims examiner says talk to supervisor.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_06: Um, okay.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_06: Well, if they submitted it, it would be in your case file.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_06: So if you go into e-comp and look in your case file and it's not there, guess what?
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_06: It wasn't submitted.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_06: I mean, I don't know why the claims examiner can't just look and say, yeah, it's not here, but that's what I would do.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_04: Lee, which document the doctor should fill out, CA7 or other different?
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_04: I was out of work for 10 days and now I have periodic medical appointments.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_06: So the doctor doesn't fill out the CA7.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_06: That's for you and your supervisor.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_06: They fill out the CA 17 that takes you off of work, and then they write the disability narrative that explains why you were off of work medically.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_06: So you need the CA 17 that takes you off of work, and you need the medical report that explains why you're off of work.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_06: That's what they fill out.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_04: Robin, so the pay given is what you were making at the time of the injury, not what I'm making when I go out for surgery this month.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_04: I filed a CA2 February 26th.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_06: Well, if you've been back to work, um, then that might change things.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_06: That's why I'm saying you need to just communicate with your um agency and and get on the same page.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_06: Like, where am I at?
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_06: Am I pre-injury or am I now?
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_06: But I don't know what what your work status has been this whole time.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_04: Matt Hayes, I have a letter that needs to be responded by September 12th.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_04: Can you find me a doctor to answer it via telemed?
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_06: Again, Matt, the only thing I can tell you, and I'm not being I'm not trying to be a jerk, but if you can find a doctor on my list and call them, and if you're in the same state with them, I can't say they will do it because I can't tell doctors how to do doctoring.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_06: But I can tell you that the rules of OWCP and the state medical boards do allow for them to do telemed visits for any patient that's in the same state as them.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_06: But um, you'd have to call and ask if they would do it because every doctor is a little different.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_06: But they're certainly allowed to do it.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_06: The rules definitely allow for them to do telemed visits.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_04: Uh Lily, sorry, what can we do?
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_04: What can we do about what?
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_04: I don't I didn't see another question prior to that.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_06: So let us know.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_06: Um, Lily Perez 2909.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_06: What can we do about what?
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_04: Robin Hay, I always been able to work since I filed.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_06: Well, you may well be at your current pay.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_06: So just go talk to your agency and make sure that that's the case.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_06: Because again, you need to be on the same page with them.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_06: They're gonna fill out the second page of the CA7, and it's gonna be right or wrong.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_06: So let's just communicate about it.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_04: Uh Amy J, if sent to vocational training, not able to do my route anymore role.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_04: Do we keep our annual pay, never have the time to use any vacation, or they pay it out?
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_04: Do they pay it out?
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_06: So we just stepped over the OWCP line.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_06: I'm not sure about what they do after the fact.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_06: I and I've read everything about that topic.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_06: I've never read anything about if they pay out your annual pay.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_06: So I just don't know the answer to that.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_06: I would go talk to my union about it, talk to the agency.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_06: Um, literally, I think I've read everything in OWCP and I've never seen anything about that.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_04: Camilla, what's the process after being sent to a second opinion for MMI?
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_06: Well, that's gonna it's gonna get very frustrating.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_06: Now it's just wait, wait, wait.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_06: It's gonna, you're just gonna wait a lot and it's gonna feel like you're waiting way too long.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_06: Um the the second opinion doctor is gonna write a report and it's either gonna agree or disagree with your treating doctor, and the claims examiner is gonna look at both reports and weigh it out and make a decision on which one looks right, looks the most right.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_06: And if they can't figure it out, it'll go to a referee doctor.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_06: And the referee doctor is like an independent third doctor.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_06: Um, and then that one will decide.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_06: That's how that normally works.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_04: Victor said, Thank you.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_04: I will have an upset clerk tomorrow.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_04: Stupidvisor.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_04: What else we got?
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_04: Um, Lily working 30 minutes here, nine minutes there, or an hour at a time.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_04: OWCP will ask for a form CA7, and management will contest the C L I A.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_06: Probably supposed to be an in there.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_06: What other questions do we have?
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_04: Hold on, let me get there.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_04: All right.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_04: Um, Nancy.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_04: So when you do go out due to a surgery, you will do your CA7 and CA7A and will get paid 75% or 63, 66.3%, depending if you have dependents or married.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_06: That's correct.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_06: So all pay is depending on dependents, 75% or roughly 67.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_06: That's exactly right.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_02: Lily, OWCP.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_02: Did I just read that?
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_05: Well it's going so fast.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_02: Whoa, whoa, whoa, people.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_05: Everyone's excited tonight.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_05: Slow start.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_05: But here we go.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_04: Lily said yeah, OWCP will ask for a form CA7 and management will contest the claim.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_04: They might close the case even though there is medical evidence from their doctor certifying the condition.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_06: Okay, so management cannot close the case or the claim.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_04: Nope.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_06: Claimed examiners can, but they're not going to close it just because management contests it.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_06: The claimed examiners I've trained say they basically just roll their eyes at management because they know what they're up to.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_06: I wouldn't worry about that too much.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_06: Your doctor's medical documentation carries all the weight.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_04: Mr.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_04: the one bodman.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_04: Current FIC patient, OWCP wants to send me for a second opinion for my expansion request.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_04: They haven't scheduled it yet.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_04: How long should it this take?
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_04: And are the second opinion doctors biased?
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_06: Okay.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_06: Um, there's no rule on how long it takes.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_06: I've seen it take a very long time.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_06: Um, your claimed examiner will contact you and let you know.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_06: Once they schedule it, you have to attend, unless you have a super good reason.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_06: You know, like I have COVID, I can't make it, right?
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_06: Obviously, then they'll reschedule it for you.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_06: Um, are second opinion doctors biased?
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_06: That's a tricky question.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_06: I'll tell you this.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_06: Usually what I see is they make bad determinations that aren't helpful to you.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_06: I know that lot most of the time supervisors, I mean claims examiners are asking them very specific questions and that's what they're answering.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_06: I know that lots of times they spend almost no time with you and don't just don't do very much doctoring in the room.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_06: So just get in there and document everything.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_06: I talked about this a few weeks ago.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_06: You want to document the time you arrive, the time you go back, the time the doctor comes in, the time the doctor leaves, the time you leave, and everything that happened in between.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_06: Take very, very good notes and then write it up and e-comp that to your claims examiner later and give it to your treating physician.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_06: Because if the doctor spends three minutes in the room with you and gives you a negative determination, then somebody's got to explain how that how that happened.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_06: How did the doctor know anything in three minutes, right?
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_06: I'm exaggerating, but so take very, very good notes about what happened in that meeting.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_04: Jesse, if I was off for two months for a non-work-related injury, and then later that same year filed an occupational disease OWCP claim requiring rotator cuff surgery.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_04: Does the USPS have to excise this time missed for the non-work-related injury while calculating my average pay?
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_06: So your non-work-related injury is not going to be factored into this.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_06: Um, the only thing that'll be factored into it is time off related to the shoulder when it's accepted.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_06: But anything that's not related to the work injury is not going to be part of this conversation.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, Jovon Williams, if I was given my claim number and my supervisor showed me COP was entered on my time, but I didn't get paid.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_04: What steps do I take to get compensated?
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_04: I've been off work since August 25th.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_06: So you had a CA1, and if I'm right about all this, you don't have to comment, but if I'm wrong, let me know I'm wrong.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_06: I'm assuming you have a CA1 injury, you filed it within 30 days.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_06: On box 15, you elect a continuation of pay.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_06: You were out of work and they didn't pay you COP.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_06: Well, okay, so what you do is first of all, notify the claimed examiner because there's a violation there.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_06: Notify your union because you're going to need some help.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_06: And from the union reps that are friends of mine, um, conversations we've had, I've heard that they can go back in and recode your time off from whatever they gave you to COP.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_06: It sounds like COP was proper and they did it wrong.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_06: And so I would um get your claim examiner, your uh union involved in that.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_04: Nancy says, What should we do if we submit a CA7?
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_04: And on the second page, the HR specialist writes no medical to support TTD.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_04: And the employee submitted a CA20, CA7 disability letter and still says no medical to support TTD.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_06: Um I would say that I would write a letter to the claim examiner, call the claim examiner, leave a voicemail that turns into a letter to the claims examiner, um, and say, you know, you've got my CA20 and my disability report, and my agency refused to fill out the second page.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_06: What do I do?
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_06: This is gonna happen sometimes.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_06: The agency is going to do boneheaded things like that, but it sounds like you've got really good proof and they're wrong and you're right.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_06: And so the claims examiner ultimately decides who gets paid, not the agency.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_06: Um, so escalate it to the claims examiner and um talk to your union.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_06: This may be an area where you can grieve it.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_06: So you might file a grievance on this.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_06: And I'm not sure if it's an EEO claim, but that's another union question.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_06: Um, it might even help just to take medical documentation to the agency and say you were wrong, here it is, and that might just clear it up.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_06: You know, the last thing I want you to do is have, you know, conflict with management that's unnecessary because God knows you got enough of it as it is.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_04: Yep.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_04: Uh Vladimir, after my injury in April 2024, I was able to get CA7 payments from April to August 2024, and from December 2024 to present after I went to FIC Greenville for a narrative report because my OWCP claim was originally denied after appeals.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_04: They still apparently think that I was magically able to work between August and December of 2024.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_06: Well, that just requires a doctor to write a disability narrative explaining why you were not magically able to work during that period of time.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_06: And the the doctor's report, and I know how they write the reports in Greenville, uh, should be adequate.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_06: It should get the job done.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_05: All right.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_05: Keep going.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_05: There's one more down there.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, Lee.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_04: Can I contact the claims examiner examiner in any form other than the OWCP webpage?
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_04: I received a letter, but no contact info.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, for sure.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_06: Just go to your e-comp and um you can e-comp a letter there.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_06: The claim examiner will definitely get it.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_06: Um, I know you said no contact info, but if you can get the phone number, you can always leave a voicemail.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_06: Voicemails are transcribed into documents that they have to respond to.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_04: Yep.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_06: That's two ways you can do it.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_04: See what Norak said.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_04: You all have to learn how to upload your medical and e-comp also your CA 17s.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_04: True.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, I mean, it's your money.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_06: And so what do you want to do to get it?
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_06: For me, I would do anything, whatever it takes.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_06: Um, and so you want to make sure all your medical is uploaded.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_06: And that was perfect because it transitions to the next thing I wanted to say.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_06: I've had people come to me and say, I was off of work for this you know period of time.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_06: I had a CA 17, and um, I'm not seeing that doctor anymore.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_06: Can your doctor write a disability narrative explaining why I was off of work that time?
• 34:21
  unknown: Right.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_06: Maybe, you know, maybe the doc that's a doctor's decision.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_06: Um, the reason I'm bringing this up is whatever doctor takes you off of work, that doctor has to write a report explaining medically why you're off of work.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_06: Don't wait till weeks or months later to get this stuff because now you want to get paid.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_06: If that doctor's off the case, you're gonna have a really, really difficult time.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_06: Um, and honestly, I'm gonna tell you if your claim was never approved, that doctor never got paid.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_06: Lots of times, that doctor is not gonna be motivated to write any reports for you because they don't understand the reason they didn't get paid is because they did a bad job in the first place.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_06: So get your medical documentation immediately.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_06: Don't wait.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_06: If you wait, you're gonna have a really hard time getting paid later.
• 35:06
  unknown: Yeah.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_04: Um Nancy's, oh wait, let me go back up.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_04: Um, Nancy said you can do case escalations on e-comp.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_04: See, we don't know e-comp because we cannot get into the system.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_04: So we take your advice when you guys are telling each other about e-comp because we have no way of getting in.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_04: Um and Nancy says it's right next to case imaging.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_06: Okay, just to be clear, I did know there was an escalation tab, but I've never seen it with my own eyes because I'm not a federal employee.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_06: But that's a that's a good one.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_06: I should have thought of it.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_04: Hazel said, no, I'm just joining.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_04: What did I miss?
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_04: Hazel, we're talking about uh how to file your CA 7s to get paid.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, and just the tips and tricks, and not really tricks, if you understand the rules, but everything you need to do to avoid not being paid.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_06: Um, you know, I've got I've given this stuff that you need to get paid, but there are just landmines that people step on that are unnecessary, and we've been talking about that.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_06: Definitely go back and watch this from the beginning.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_06: We're not that far in, we're only 35 minutes in.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, after after we're done, just go watch the replay.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_06: But glad you're here.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_04: Jesse says, my claim was already approved.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_04: However, I noticed that my pay was severely reduced compared to what I think it should be.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_04: To calculate my average hours, worked for 52 weeks.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_04: I found they averaged in these two months of time I spoke about earlier, where I was out for a non-work injury as if it was a wage earning time when I when it was not.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_04: I'm an RCA with a hole down where I work a 32-hour route.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, I thought you were gonna say you're a role carrier.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_06: I was gonna tell you that you should get your um, you know, get help from a union rep, and I think you should, and hopefully you can, um, but somehow you're gonna have to get your pay corrected.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_06: I understand what you're saying.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_06: They didn't calculate your hours properly, and that's what I'm talking about checking your CA7.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_06: And good job that you did that.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_06: And so this is an example of you know, someone that checks their CA7, the second page, and sees a mistake.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_06: Um, but from here, it's all about getting your uh the agency to cooperate.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_06: And the best way to do that is have the union, you know, take up your case for you.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, Carrie, I am back to work with weight restrictions.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_04: So if I get help with one package, my supervisor says I'm to be coded D A C A E and only get my hours worked rather than my evaluation.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_04: Will I get missing hours back through my CA7?
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_06: Absolutely.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_06: Any hours missed should be claimed on a CA7 plus a CA7A, which is a time analysis form.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_06: And um, if you look at the instructions of the CA7, it makes it pretty clear how to do that.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_04: Stephanie says, I'm at maximum, but my restrictions are two hours a day.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_04: Post office never has anything for me.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_04: I was supposed to go through the work program for a new training, but I'm still sitting just sitting still, been off of work for over three and a half years.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_04: So what happens now?
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_04: Any clue?
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_06: I mean, three and a half years.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_06: Look, I've seen longer and people still being on the rolls getting paid.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_06: Um, if they haven't made a determination that, you know, removing you from your position, then you should be getting paid.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_06: Um, and so you fill out your CA7s for LWAP and you have a medical narrative that explains why you've been out of work.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_06: And I would include the fact that your agency didn't find work for you, even though you wanted work, they didn't find it for you.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_06: And that's usually enough to get you paid.
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_06: But that's really sad.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_06: I hate that you've been off of work that long.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_04: Uh Nancy says, another question can uh DHS, ICE employee, can they be fired due to disability TTD by the treating doctor?
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_06: Well, no, you can't be fired for having a can uh uh an injury that's accepted.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_06: You know, you can't be fired for that.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_06: Right.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_06: I can't imagine any anything that would make that okay.
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_06: No, I mean you can't be fired for having a legitimate injury.
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_04: She said for any time where there was no work available.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, I mean, I hate that, but it sounds like you've probably got a claim against the agency.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_06: I don't know, but there's no rule that says you can be fired for having a work injury.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_06: Like, in fact, there's rules that say you can't be retaliated against, and termination sounds like retaliation to me.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_04: Uh Lee, I received payment when I was out of work, but not when I went to the medical appointments, approximately 12 hours in the last pay period.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_04: Should I go with the grievance process or an e-comp?
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_06: Well, did you fill out your CA7 and potentially your seven A's for the time you went to the doctor?
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_06: That's number one.
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_06: And if you did and you had to leave work to do it, then you should get paid.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_06: If you went to the doctor on your days off, you're not going to get paid.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_06: So let's be clear about that.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_06: If you went to the doctor after your work shift, you're not going to get paid.
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_06: Before your work shift, you're not going to get paid.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_06: But if you had to leave your work shift to go to the doctor, then you should get paid LWAP.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_06: And file a grievance, yeah.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_06: I mean, if you already filed the CA7 and you, you know, accounted for the time properly the way I just talked about it, and they didn't pay you, that sounds like a situation you can file a grievance for.
• 40:21
  SPEAKER_04: Hazel Grace, do I need to start the CA7 now?
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_04: I was told they will put me with LWAP, but withheld my CA 16s to get treatment for over a week.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_04: And half so technically, I still don't have med medical documentation.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_04: The hospital paperwork wasn't enough.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_04: And it won't be.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_06: No, it won't be.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_06: And yeah, start filling out your CA7s right away.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_06: Go find another doctor that's not the hospital that will write narratives.
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_06: Because if you can't find a doctor that'll write these reports, you're never getting paid.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_06: That's just critically important.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_06: People just, you know, they go to their family doctor, they go to an orthopedic doctor, to an urgent care, to a VA doctor, to a hospital.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_06: You know, they they go to all these places because it seems like the right thing to do, and they don't have any, you know, help or guidance.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_06: But the truth is, if you don't have a doctor that understands OWCP and who is willing to do the work because it's a lot, getting paid is going to be really, really difficult.
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_07: Yep.
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_06: And I hate that.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_06: And that's why we created this company because we've got, you know, a network of people that won't give you that trouble.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_06: But um, you know, I hate that for you, but that's what it's gonna take.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_06: You've got to get a doctor that will write those reports for you.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_04: Uh Lori said, once MMI is filed, will I still be paid?
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_04: If terminated for restrictions, how does that pay work out?
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_06: I mean, you again, you can't be terminated for restrictions.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_06: They can reassign you, they can send you to a, you know, a work program, but they can't just fire you for it.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_06: Um, I'm pretty sure you're gonna have a claim against the agency for firing you.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_06: That just can't happen.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_06: Um, after MMI, yes, you can still be paid.
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_06: MMI just says you're as good as you're gonna get.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_06: It doesn't mean you can't work.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_06: They're not the same thing.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_06: That does not mean you're not able to work.
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_06: So just because you're an MMI does not necessarily mean you can't go back to work.
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_06: And it also does not necessarily mean you can't claim LWAP when you're not working.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_06: They're not, they don't necessarily have to intersect with each other.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_04: Victor, the problem we have is when an employee working for USPS got injured on the job, they're afraid to file OWCP because retaliation.
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_04: I told these employees not to be afraid.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_04: There are laws that can protect them.
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_04: I also tell them always fight for your rights and never give up.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_04: That's right.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_04: Absolutely.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_04: Just today I was telling Chris that this lady uh messaged me.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_04: I guess she was doing mopping or something.
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_04: One leg went one way and she fell on her hip or something, and the supervisor told her that's not a work injury.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_05: Read this one real quick before it goes away.
• 42:53
  SPEAKER_04: While on while I'm on OWCP, what will my virtual time card look like?
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_04: What will management be putting in?
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_06: All right, so while you're on OWCP, there are three things that are possible.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_06: One, you could just be at work on the clock.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_06: Two, you could have continuation of pay.
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_06: Three, you can be on LWAP.
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_06: So it's gonna be one of those, unless your claim's not approved, and then it might be annual or sick leave.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_06: So you it just depends on what category you're in at the time.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_06: So you're at work, COP, sick and annual, LWAP.
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_06: You just gotta know where you're at.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_04: Um completing, okay.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_04: LWAP 049 if you work for the post office.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_04: I'm completing my whole route every day.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_04: I only get help with a heavy package on occasion.
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_04: That's just a word, isn't it?
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, okay.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_04: Mr.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_04: Badman, I can send you guys e comp guide union made, breaks down all the pages.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_04: That'd be really great.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, sure.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_04: Uh email it to genie g I N I at federal injurycenters.com.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_04: Um uh I was told oh Lori, I was told as an RCA there are not restricti there are not restrictions allowed.
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_06: Well, that just means that if that's the case, you're gonna get paid for your whole time off.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_06: I just think that's so stupid.
• 44:15
  SPEAKER_06: If you're able to work at all, they should let you work.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_06: But I don't make the rules, I didn't write the contract.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_06: So if that's a case, your medical report from the doctor will explain why you can't work and you make an attempt to work and they won't let you work, you're gonna be home getting paid.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_06: So just do your very best to get better as soon as possible so you can get back on the clock.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_04: All right, guys.
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_04: Those of you that hopped on late, we talked about CA7s, how to get paid.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_04: Um, I'll have Chris go over um the four things that you should attach to your CA7 to make sure you get paid.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, and this'll this will end the topic, but we let's say you turn in a perfect CA7 and your supervisor doesn't screw it up at all.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_06: They get your pay rate right, they get your hours right, and it all gets turned in within the five days required.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_06: It has to be turned in within five days of when you submit it.
• 45:09
  SPEAKER_06: So the supervisor can't just sit on it, and they're not allowed to not fill it out.
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_06: They have five days to fill it out.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_06: Okay, it's not five days to fill it out if they feel like it.
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_06: It's not five days to fill it out if they've seen medical documentation.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_06: That's not how it works.
• 45:22
  SPEAKER_06: They have to turn it in within five days.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_06: But let's say it's all turned in perfectly.
• 45:26
  SPEAKER_06: If you don't attach documentation, you're still not gonna get paid.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_06: So you need to e-comp the following things with your CA7.
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_04: Hazel, you just said when I start the CA7, what will I need?
• 45:37
  SPEAKER_04: This is gonna answer your question.
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_06: So here it goes.
• 45:40
  SPEAKER_06: You're gonna e-comp the following documents each time you upload your CA7.
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_06: Number one, your CA 17 duty status report that took you off of work or gave you restrictions.
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_06: Do they already have it?
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_06: Yes, but we send it in anyways.
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_06: We don't care that they already have it because it's your money.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_06: So we send it again.
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_06: Um, we send that medical report, the disability narrative, explaining why you're off of work.
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_06: Um, I read a training presentation once that was by claims examiners that said to turn into CA20, um attending physicians report.
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_06: The CA20 is essentially saying, excuse me, saying what's going on with your case.
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_06: Where are you at?
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_06: What's your status?
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_06: So CA 17, CA20, and disability narrative report.
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_06: And if you were off of work to go to the doctor, you need a printout of your appointments showing you are at the doctor.
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_06: You attach those four things to a perfect CA7, your odds of getting paid are near 100% if your claim is approved.
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_06: Yep.
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_06: All right.
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_04: Um, Robin Hay, I'm approved, getting ready to have surgery.
• 46:45
  SPEAKER_04: We'll be out for three and a half months.
• 46:47
  SPEAKER_04: Just curious, what will be put in my virtual time card while I'm getting paid by Workers Comp?
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_06: Um, I mean, I'm assuming it's LWAP.
• 46:54
  SPEAKER_06: And if there's a code for LWAP, I'm not aware of it, but it's LWAP because you're gonna turn into CA7 and you're gonna fill out, you're gonna check, leave without pay.
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_04: Uh Nancy Lopez said every two weeks, follow your payroll dates, should be light blue, and let payroll finish so you do it that Monday.
• 47:13
  SPEAKER_04: Good tip.
• 47:14
  SPEAKER_04: Dina Portal, hello.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_04: Hello.
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_04: All right, what other oh wait, Lori, I go to your federal injury centers and land of the lakes.
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you so much for your guidance and information.
• 47:24
  SPEAKER_06: You're welcome.
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_06: I'm glad that's working out for you, Lori.
• 47:27
  SPEAKER_04: All right, let's see.
• 47:29
  SPEAKER_04: Two weeks.
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_04: All right.
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_04: What other questions do you guys have on CA7?
• 47:36
  SPEAKER_04: How to file your CA 7s.
• 47:37
  SPEAKER_06: Or anything else.
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_06: If you don't have any more questions, that's okay too.
• 47:41
  SPEAKER_06: Because I'm just about out of water and I got cotton mouth from all the medicine.
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_06: You know, it was a game time decision whether or not we were gonna even be on tonight.
• 47:51
  SPEAKER_06: You should have seen me earlier.
• 47:52
  SPEAKER_06: I've taken two naps today, which is nuts.
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, he never does that.
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_06: I haven't been able to deal with my life today.
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, Ma is on.
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_04: Hi, Ma.
• 48:03
  SPEAKER_04: Alright, what other questions do you guys have?
• 48:06
  SPEAKER_04: Uh Mary, been reading I behave now.
• 48:10
  SPEAKER_04: Good evening.
• 48:12
  SPEAKER_04: Funny.
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_04: All right.
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_04: Any other questions, guys?
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_06: Looks like that's it.
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_06: Well, look, it's really great being back.
• 48:19
  SPEAKER_06: Um, sorry if I wasn't just a ball of fun tonight, but this will end soon, and we'll see you next time.
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, we we will be on next week.
• 48:30
  SPEAKER_04: Just looking at the dates.
• 48:31
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, we'll be on the 16th, the 22nd, and the 30th.
• 48:36
  SPEAKER_06: Carrie said after you have after at MMI's Federal Injury Center is done helping you, not necessarily, that's a medical decision.
• 48:42
  SPEAKER_06: If there's still more that can be done or more, that's just gotta ask the doctor.
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_06: That does not necessarily mean anything, actually.
• 48:50
  SPEAKER_04: Jennifer, not CA7, but had a previous work comp injury, tried to reopen it in 24.
• 48:58
  SPEAKER_04: DOL said not gonna reopen in 25.
• 49:02
  SPEAKER_04: Went through appointment and surgery late last year and early 26 private insurance.
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_04: DOL opened a new case this year for my new injury.
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_04: They said to fill out a form 915 in the acceptance letter to get reimbursement.
• 49:17
  SPEAKER_04: But then if you download the form, the instructions say you have to file a form 1500.
• 49:23
  SPEAKER_06: Okay, the 1500 is a medical form.
• 49:26
  SPEAKER_06: You can't you can't file that.
• 49:27
  SPEAKER_06: All you have to fill out is the um OWCP 915 and attach your receipts.
• 49:33
  SPEAKER_06: That's your responsibility.
• 49:34
  SPEAKER_06: If they need something else, they'll get it from the doctor or they'll tell you they need it from the doctor.
• 49:38
  SPEAKER_06: But the 1500 form is a medical form.
• 49:41
  SPEAKER_06: That's how they bill the um bill insurance.
• 49:44
  SPEAKER_04: All right, Maria, the four pieces of paper that you need to attach to your CA7 is a CA17, a CA20, a printout of your appointments.
• 49:57
  SPEAKER_06: Medical disability narrative.
• 49:58
  SPEAKER_06: Medical disability narrative.
• 49:59
  SPEAKER_06: It explains medically why you needed to be off of work.
• 50:03
  SPEAKER_04: Carrie, I couldn't get any callbacks after.
• 50:07
  SPEAKER_04: What do you mean?
• 50:08
  SPEAKER_04: Let me know.
• 50:10
  SPEAKER_04: Uh Hazel, I start from the date of first LWAP.
• 50:16
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_05: Yes, that was simple.
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_06: That was the easiest question all night.
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_04: Uh any Jennifer.
• 50:23
  SPEAKER_06: Actually.
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_06: Yes, the answer is yes.
• 50:26
  SPEAKER_04: Jennifer said, any ideas how to get reimbursement for medical expenses?
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, the form I just said is an OWCP 915, and uh, you'll have to attach receipts, and you'll your doctor will also, this is for the last person I asked to, um, write why it was medically necessary for you to have those things that you had to pay for.
• 50:46
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 50:46
  SPEAKER_06: So you're gonna need the doctor to write a letter of medical necessity for the things you did.
• 50:51
  SPEAKER_04: Michael, hi Jeannie and Chris.
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_04: I've been going to the Boston location.
• 50:55
  SPEAKER_04: I love it.
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_04: I love it there, and the staff.
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_06: I'm really happy about that, Michael.
• 50:59
  SPEAKER_04: Nancy, yes, go to OWCP Forums.
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_04: You will fill you will find the reimbursement forms.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, and again, you can find all forms on my website.
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_06: I put them there just so it's easy to find, federal injurycenters.com.
• 51:10
  SPEAKER_06: Just go to the forms tab if you want to.
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_06: You can find them online.
• 51:14
  SPEAKER_06: OWCP has them too.
• 51:15
  SPEAKER_06: I put them on our website because for the longest time with a really good laptop, I couldn't open the forms.
• 51:21
  SPEAKER_06: And it frustrated me.
• 51:22
  SPEAKER_06: So I just had somebody put them on my website.
• 51:25
  SPEAKER_06: Now they always open.
• 51:27
  SPEAKER_04: So, Carrie, you said I couldn't get any callbacks after MMI.
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_04: What do you mean?
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_04: From a doctor's office?
• 51:33
  SPEAKER_04: Who?
• 51:34
  SPEAKER_06: Um, well, if you're replying to one of our offices, um, let me know which one, and we'll have the case manager contact you.
• 51:42
  SPEAKER_04: All right, let me just wrap some things up.
• 51:44
  SPEAKER_04: You guys see this, our OWCP tour.
• 51:48
  SPEAKER_04: Uh probably by next week we'll have some dates.
• 51:52
  SPEAKER_04: We have uh we'll be going to St.
• 51:55
  SPEAKER_04: George, Utah, and we'll be in Springfield, Massachusetts.
• 52:01
  SPEAKER_04: We're just trying to get all the dates coordinated and where the location will be.
• 52:05
  SPEAKER_04: So it'll be the first one will be sometime October in St.
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_04: George, Utah.
• 52:12
  SPEAKER_04: So those of you that are in the St.
• 52:14
  SPEAKER_04: George area, any federal employee is allowed to come.
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_04: Also, if you're bordering Vegas or Arizona, it's only an hour and a half drive.
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_04: So if you want the full training, it's a three-hour training.
• 52:26
  SPEAKER_06: It's fun, actually.
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_04: And um the-cause I'm the trainer, so I would say it's fun.
• 52:31
  SPEAKER_04: The next one I think I'll get you the date will be in Springfield, Massachusetts.
• 52:36
  SPEAKER_04: We're just trying to get everything buckled down and then uh we'll start putting tour dates up.
• 52:42
  SPEAKER_06: Um, so Jennifer said had another previous injury.
• 52:45
  SPEAKER_06: OWCP just closed the case.
• 52:46
  SPEAKER_06: I'd like to get it reopened, but with a different doctor, do you know the correct procedure?
• 52:50
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, it's actually pretty simple.
• 52:52
  SPEAKER_06: Go to the doctor, uh, the doctor will do their standard evaluation, and the doctor will have to write a letter of medical necessity explaining why your claim should be reopened.
• 53:01
  SPEAKER_06: That's really all it takes.
• 53:03
  SPEAKER_04: So if you guys don't know, Chris and I are doing a little OWCP tour.
• 53:09
  SPEAKER_04: Um, so probably we are going, we're gonna hit St.
• 53:13
  SPEAKER_04: George, Utah.
• 53:14
  SPEAKER_06: Polita said please come to New Orleans.
• 53:16
  SPEAKER_06: You have no idea how badly I want to go to NOLA.
• 53:18
  SPEAKER_06: It's one of my favorite places.
• 53:20
  SPEAKER_04: And then Springfield, Massachusetts, any Minnesota.
• 53:24
  SPEAKER_04: What do you mean?
• 53:25
  SPEAKER_04: Like office?
• 53:27
  SPEAKER_04: Oh.
• 53:28
  SPEAKER_04: When is Forest Park?
• 53:30
  SPEAKER_04: Please come to New Orleans.
• 53:34
  SPEAKER_04: What else we got?
• 53:36
  SPEAKER_06: So Robin asks, well, the three months of LWAP hurt me when I retire.
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_06: I'm two years from retirement.
• 53:41
  SPEAKER_06: Um, at top of mind, I'm not sure which things don't continue to accrue when you're off of work, but some things don't.
• 53:47
  SPEAKER_06: Go ask your union about that so that you're just not in the dark.
• 53:50
  SPEAKER_06: But it's a good question.
• 53:52
  SPEAKER_06: Some things do not accrue when you're off of work.
• 53:54
  SPEAKER_06: So go check that out.
• 53:56
  SPEAKER_04: Let's see what we got here for questions.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_04: Victor, okay, Jack.
• 54:02
  SPEAKER_04: By the way, I hear weird low tapping sound in the audio.
• 54:05
  SPEAKER_04: Wasn't sure if it was just me.
• 54:08
  SPEAKER_06: It's probably me over here tapping my desk.
• 54:10
  SPEAKER_06: Sorry about that.
• 54:12
  SPEAKER_03: Uh whatever.
• 54:13
  SPEAKER_06: I didn't realize I was gonna pick that up.
• 54:16
  SPEAKER_04: Colorado.
• 54:18
  SPEAKER_04: All right.
• 54:19
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, we're working on that.
• 54:20
  SPEAKER_04: All right.
• 54:21
  SPEAKER_06: Well, so we have a new office in Denver.
• 54:22
  SPEAKER_06: They're getting trained, but they're saying come to Colorado for the training.
• 54:25
  SPEAKER_04: Oh.
• 54:26
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 54:27
  SPEAKER_04: We're only gonna do just like four or five before this year's over.
• 54:31
  SPEAKER_04: Next year, we're really gonna start getting more in.
• 54:34
  SPEAKER_04: That'll be like our big thing for next year.
• 54:36
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, you know, everyone's invited.
• 54:38
  SPEAKER_06: It doesn't matter what agency, what craft, what union, everyone's invited to my class.
• 54:42
  SPEAKER_04: Robin says she hears it too.
• 54:44
  SPEAKER_06: I don't know.
• 54:45
  SPEAKER_04: Tapping.
• 54:46
  SPEAKER_06: Well, the good news is tapping's gonna end because we're almost finished.
• 54:49
  SPEAKER_06: I don't know what that is, but I'm gonna go back and listen to it myself and see if I can figure it out.
• 54:54
  SPEAKER_03: No, it's not.
• 54:56
  SPEAKER_03: That's weird.
• 54:56
  SPEAKER_03: It's not you tapping.
• 54:57
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 54:58
  SPEAKER_03: Kentucky, please.
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_06: All right.
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_06: Well, look, uh, that's it tonight.
• 55:02
  SPEAKER_06: If you have any more questions, put them in the comments.
• 55:05
  SPEAKER_06: We'll go back and take a look at it.
• 55:06
  SPEAKER_06: Um, you can always message us privately if you've got some personal thing that you want to talk about.
• 55:11
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 55:11
  SPEAKER_06: And um if you if there's a specific topic you'd like me to discuss next week, let me know.
• 55:18
  SPEAKER_06: And um we'll see what we can do about it.
• 55:21
  SPEAKER_04: All right, guys.
• 55:22
  SPEAKER_04: Have a good night.
• 55:23
  SPEAKER_04: We'll see you next Wednesday.