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The Kenny Report | 17 October · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the Skying You Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me tonight.
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  Speaker 2: An exclusive interview with the expert anthropologist at the center
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  Speaker 2: of that controversial goldmine ban and the claims of Indigenous
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  Speaker 2: heritage fabrication. With the Albanezy labor government still reeling from
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  Speaker 2: the PM's Beach House own goal, you won't believe what
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  Speaker 2: Olbow's up to next. In the US, Kamala Harris has
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  Speaker 2: tried to revive her fortunes by sitting for a tough interview,
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  Speaker 2: but she only had one thing on her mind.
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  Speaker 3: Rhetoric that has come out of Donald Trump. Donald Trump
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  Speaker 3: has been running for artists. If you listen to Donald Trump,
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  Speaker 3: rhetoric coming from Donald Trump, donald Trump being a threat.
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  Speaker 3: Trump is on the bout. Let's go back to Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 3: I think the American people have a concern about Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 1: Plenty more on that coming up.
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  Speaker 2: Also, the biggest and smartest companies are lining up for
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  Speaker 2: nuclear energy, but in Australia, your labor thinks it knows better. Also,
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  Speaker 2: Ossie tanks headed for Ukraine. I'll catch up with Tim
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  Speaker 2: Blair and Mark Nicholson and the King arrives here tomorrow.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get cracking. You've got to feel sorry for labor MPs.
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  Speaker 2: They were hoping to spend this week talking about their
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  Speaker 2: housing plans and good employment figures and major defense announcements,
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  Speaker 2: but all the attention has focus on the Labor government
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  Speaker 2: slipping behind in Newspoll and their Prime minister slipping into
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  Speaker 2: a four point three million dollar beach house.
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  Speaker 1: And that's led to.
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  Speaker 2: Anthony Albanese's colleagues having to answer questions about his long
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  Speaker 2: term future.
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  Speaker 4: He's very committed to the job. He's very committed to
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  Speaker 4: serving the people of Australia. I don't doubt that it's
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  Speaker 4: there for the long haul.
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  Speaker 2: It's also flushed out a push within labor ranks to
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  Speaker 2: re examine heavier taxes on housing investments through negative gearing
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  Speaker 2: and capital game tax changes. So now ministers are having
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  Speaker 2: to knock that one on the head.
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  Speaker 5: No drawls have been opened here, we're not doing needed gearing.
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  Speaker 5: That's been made manifestly clear and none of that has changed.
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  Speaker 2: So the point here is that Albo's poor political judgment
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  Speaker 2: has annoyed his colleagues. It's hurt the government knocked it
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  Speaker 2: off course and made it look like the Prime Minister
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  Speaker 2: isn't focused on the main game, which is why I
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  Speaker 2: reckon the ranker within labor ranks might increase in coming days,
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  Speaker 2: because just when the PM needs.
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  Speaker 1: To get serious, have a look at what he's up
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  Speaker 1: to next.
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  Speaker 6: Somedays, please welcome Anthony albert He may be.
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  Speaker 7: Running the country, but does the PM no music?
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  Speaker 8: How competitive are you?
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  Speaker 9: You don't get to be PM without being a little bit.
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  Speaker 7: The special guest is put to the test.
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  Speaker 1: Elwen John Hockey shadow Yes correct.
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  Speaker 7: Great games, big laughs, loads of fun.
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  Speaker 9: I've got a feeling if the Prime Minister lose as.
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  Speaker 1: It might be the end of the show. Big laughs
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  Speaker 1: and loads of fun.
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  Speaker 2: Hay, there's a housing cristi as, a cost of living
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  Speaker 2: crisis and energy crisis, all sorts of serious issues to
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  Speaker 2: be tackled. And the Albanezi is buying a multi million
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  Speaker 2: dollar beach house as well and indulging his music hobby
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  Speaker 2: on a frivolous quiz show. No wonder his colleagues are
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  Speaker 2: questioning his political nouse. What major policy proposal that Anthony
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  Speaker 2: Albanesi does not take seriously is the Coalition's plan to
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  Speaker 2: add nuclear energy to our electricity grid. Labour's opposition to
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  Speaker 2: nuclear the world's only reliable, dispatchable twenty four to seven,
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  Speaker 2: A missions free energy source doesn't make any sense.
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  Speaker 1: As you know, they plan to keep the ban.
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  Speaker 2: On nuclear energy, arguing it doesn't stack up, even though
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  Speaker 2: this flies in the face of what's happening in almost
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  Speaker 2: every major economy in the world. I showed you last
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  Speaker 2: month how in the US, Microsoft has turned to nuclear
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  Speaker 2: energy to power its artificial intelligence data centers, bank rolling
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  Speaker 2: the restart of the Three Mile Island nuclear plant in
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  Speaker 2: Pennsylvania to supply electricity for decades to come. And now
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  Speaker 2: that trend is accelerating, another high tech giant, Google is
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  Speaker 2: investing big on nuclear to help power its data centers.
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  Speaker 10: Advanced nuclear reactors provide safe, around the clock power that
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  Speaker 10: can help Google and the world meet electricity demand with
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  Speaker 10: carbon free energy every hour of every day. Our new
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  Speaker 10: partnership with Cairo's Power will accelerate the deployment of the
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  Speaker 10: first commercial scale reactor, followed by a fleet of reactors
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  Speaker 10: that will deliver clean, reliable power to the US electricity system.
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  Speaker 2: The Google plan includes small, modular reactors, with the first
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  Speaker 2: of them in place by twenty thirty, which is encouraging
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  Speaker 2: us for anyone interested in and reliable energy. And there's
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  Speaker 2: Amazon yep, another modern giant, investing half a billion US
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  Speaker 2: dollars in nuclear energy, again focusing on small modular reactors
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  Speaker 2: technology derided by Labor.
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  Speaker 11: I'm happy to engage in a debate about facts when
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  Speaker 11: it comes to nuclear energy, because the facts and the
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  Speaker 11: science tells us that it simply doesn't stack up. Liberals
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  Speaker 11: and nationals promised you a sensible energy plan.
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  Speaker 12: Instead they're giving you a risky nuclear scam.
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  Speaker 11: This nuclear fantasy, which is completely uncosted, uncosted. They won't
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  Speaker 11: say where it will be. I mean one of the
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  Speaker 11: spots is in Newcastle that in recent months has had
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  Speaker 11: a fair bit of activity on the under the ground.
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  Speaker 11: I mean, you don't build a nuclear power station in
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  Speaker 11: an area that it has been the subject of a
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  Speaker 11: major as clake in Australia.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they won't say where it'll be, but one of
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  Speaker 2: the spots where they say it'll be has earthquakes.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's just unhinged criticism. Really. Maybe Bowen and.
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  Speaker 2: Albow are right, and Microsoft, Google and Amazon are wrong,
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  Speaker 2: along with a couple of dozen of the world's largest
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  Speaker 2: and most modern economies.
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  Speaker 1: But wait, there's more.
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  Speaker 2: Another digital and data giant Oracle is looking too small
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  Speaker 2: modular nuclear reactors to power what it calls the crazy
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  Speaker 2: electricity needs of AI, and the CEO of the leading
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  Speaker 2: AI company, in Vidia, also has backed nuclear.
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  Speaker 13: Nuclear is going to be a vital integral part of
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  Speaker 13: this No one energy source will be sufficient for the world.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the smartest minds and most successful companies in the
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  Speaker 2: world are turning to nuclear power, but Australia is stuck
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  Speaker 2: with a labor government sounding like a bunch of troglodytes
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  Speaker 2: running lines we heard from the radical left in the
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  Speaker 2: nineteen seventies.
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  Speaker 1: It just might be time to join the modern world.
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  Speaker 2: Federal Environment Minister Tanya Plibask banned the mine's tailings, as
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  Speaker 2: we've discussed before, banned its tailings damn in August, even
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  Speaker 2: though the Orange Local Aboriginal Lands Council considered the proposal
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  Speaker 2: and had no objections. Another indigenous group from Bathurst raised
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  Speaker 2: objections at the last minute, citing a blue banded bee
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  Speaker 2: dreaming story which is depicted on a mural in Bathurst
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  Speaker 2: completed less than three years.
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  Speaker 1: Ago by an artist linked to the mind opponents.
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  Speaker 2: But there's been no record of the blue banded b
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  Speaker 2: story publicly or in anthropological studies before that time, including
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  Speaker 2: those conducted by Philip Clark, who was contracted by the
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  Speaker 2: mining company Regis to examine indigenous heritage issues. Clark was
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  Speaker 2: a central anthropological expert at the nineteen ninety five Royal
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  Speaker 2: Commission that exposed the fabrication of so called secret women's
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  Speaker 2: business used to ban the High Marsh Island Bridge in
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  Speaker 2: South Australia. These revelations have the Coalition again pushing to
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  Speaker 2: overturn the gold mine ban, and Aboriginal land councils from
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  Speaker 2: around the state are meeting in Orange later this month
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  Speaker 2: to discuss how their rulings can be ignored.
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  Speaker 1: But the Minister is unmoved.
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  Speaker 4: My reasoning is laid out very publicly in the statement
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  Speaker 4: of reasons that I've given to the company and put
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  Speaker 4: up on the website. You can read through it at
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  Speaker 4: your leisure. I think there's a very strong case there
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  Speaker 4: and I stand by the decision.
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  Speaker 2: Joining me now live from Adelaide is anthropologist Philip Clark,
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  Speaker 2: Philip good to talk to you. Tell me first up,
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  Speaker 2: is there any way that your studies over recent years
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  Speaker 2: with local indigenous groups there and through all the records
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  Speaker 2: of anthropology.
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  Speaker 1: In that region.
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  Speaker 2: Could you have missed this blue banded bee dreaming story
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  Speaker 2: that's been cited to oppose the tailings.
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  Speaker 14: Down, Well, it would seem very unlikely. The Warajeri group
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  Speaker 14: and it's really a cluster of quite distinct peoples who
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  Speaker 14: spoke a similar language. But their culture and their social structure,
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  Speaker 14: the way they set up their totems and clans and
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  Speaker 14: things are quite well documented right from the late nineteenth
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  Speaker 14: century through to the very early twentieth century. And look,
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  Speaker 14: there's no record of blue banded b and the totems
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  Speaker 14: and the totems of course linked to the marriage classes
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  Speaker 14: and they are linked of course to the ceremonies are
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  Speaker 14: quite well documented, and they're all very major species that
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  Speaker 14: had some form of economic role in the broader society.
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  Speaker 14: Red kangaroo, possum, the while to turkey, the Australian busted
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  Speaker 14: and so on, black duck. So yeah, the major species
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  Speaker 14: underneath them. One could say that there were tutanic affiliations
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  Speaker 14: sort of in a cascading down, but in terms of
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  Speaker 14: major totems, there's nothing at all like the blue banded bee.
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  Speaker 14: And I might add that I've spent the last three
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  Speaker 14: years because I have a forthcoming book on Aboriginal People
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  Speaker 14: in Terrestrial in Vertebrates, which includes bees. I've spent the
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  Speaker 14: last three or four years intensely reading and researching everything
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  Speaker 14: I could find out about Aboriginal people and insects. And yeah, look,
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  Speaker 14: the blue banded bee, it's quite an attractive species and
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  Speaker 14: we all have them in our garden. It's found in
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  Speaker 14: every mainland state in Australia. But yes, it's not there
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  Speaker 14: as a tatanic species. So it look in terms of
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  Speaker 14: saying categorically was it a totem, whether it had some
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  Speaker 14: form of totamic affiliation, it's not a major totem link
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  Speaker 14: to the documented ceremonies and marriage, barriage classes and things,
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  Speaker 14: so we can certainly say that.
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  Speaker 1: So well you've gone back looking for short answer is no, right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the short answer is no.
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  Speaker 2: And that actually correlates with the main Land Council in
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  Speaker 2: the area, the Orange Aboriginal Land Council and senior orders
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  Speaker 2: in that group who say that this streaming is not
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  Speaker 2: part of their story.
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  Speaker 14: Well, look it's a possibility. I don't have any direct
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  Speaker 14: evidence of what actually happened. What one possible explanation is
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  Speaker 14: that you had an indigenous artists and artists around the
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  Speaker 14: world often use art as a way of exploring things.
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  Speaker 14: You know, they wanted some public art at Bathurst on
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  Speaker 14: the post office and for whatever reason, the blue band
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  Speaker 14: would be was something that they painted. Then maybe after
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  Speaker 14: the fact someone else came along and drew this connection somehow.
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  Speaker 14: You know, it's got me how they could. I mean
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  Speaker 14: Bathurst is We'll look it up on a map, but
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  Speaker 14: it's at least fifty or sixty kilometers, you know, to
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  Speaker 14: the east of to the east of Blady and the Mind,
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  Speaker 14: so it's not in an area where we would expect
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  Speaker 14: a close connection. So yes, I think someone's after the
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  Speaker 14: fact made that connection. It was certainly never mentioned in
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  Speaker 14: any of the material I was shown from Regis in
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  Speaker 14: terms of their quite extensive consultations with the local abitual reps,
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  Speaker 14: including the Orange Local Aboriginal Land Council. So it came
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  Speaker 14: after my initial report and I quickly just quickly on
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  Speaker 14: the internet and sorry, sorry, we our rush for time.
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  Speaker 2: I just want to get your response to this. Critics
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  Speaker 2: will say that you are doing this for the mining company.
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  Speaker 2: Of course you would say that you've got a long
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  Speaker 2: history in anthropology. You called out the high Marsh Island
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  Speaker 2: fabrication a great professional and personal cost to yourself. You
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  Speaker 2: stand the absolutely by the research you're doing. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: obviously the mining company would know what to know about
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  Speaker 2: these dreaming stories if they existed, and as soon as possible.
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  Speaker 1: That's right. I mean.
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  Speaker 14: I get employed by aboraginal rap bodies, sometimes Crown law,
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  Speaker 14: sometimes corporations, and I always tell them the same thing.
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  Speaker 14: I'll give you a professional opinion based on anthropological tools.
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  Speaker 14: You may or may not like what I've got to
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  Speaker 14: tell you, But if indeed I had found some evidence
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  Speaker 14: of some intangible heritage within the mine area, I would
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  Speaker 14: have old Regis and they would have acted appropriately. Far
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  Speaker 14: better to hear it early than to not hear it
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  Speaker 14: at all.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for it.
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  Speaker 14: I stand by my professional opinion.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, good on you, Philip. Thanks so much for joining us.
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  Speaker 1: We'll keep in touch.
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  Speaker 2: Philip Clark, the anthropologist who, as you heard, has looked
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  Speaker 2: at all of this around the Blady mine out there
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  Speaker 2: in the central western New South Wales, and he says,
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  Speaker 2: the blue banded bees story is.
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  Speaker 1: Something new now.
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  Speaker 2: Much as I worry about Carmala Harris, I'm never going
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  Speaker 2: to criticize her for turning up for only her second
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  Speaker 2: serious interviews since becoming the Democrat candidate. It might be
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  Speaker 2: a desperate ploy because she's struggling in the polls, but
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  Speaker 2: good on her for fronting up to Brett Bayer on
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  Speaker 2: Fox News and giving voters a chance to see her
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  Speaker 2: answer or not answer, some tough questions. Harris at least
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  Speaker 2: stood up for herself on the difficult topic of the
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  Speaker 2: immigration crisis she's overseen as Vice president.
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  Speaker 6: Finished, I finished responding, you have to let me finish.
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  Speaker 13: You had the White House and the House and the Senate,
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  Speaker 13: and they didn't bring.
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  Speaker 3: Up responding to the point you're reason and I'd like
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  Speaker 3: to finish.
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  Speaker 1: Man.
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  Speaker 3: We recognized from day one that to the point of
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  Speaker 3: this being your first question, it is a priority for
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  Speaker 3: US as a nation and for the American people.
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  Speaker 2: Fair enough, but Harris actually never answered the questions about
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  Speaker 2: whether it's four million, six million or more illegal immorants
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  Speaker 2: immigrants who have crossed the border on her watch, and
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  Speaker 2: whether she regretted weakening immigration rules. Over more than twenty
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  Speaker 2: five minutes, Harris tried to turn every answer onto Donald Trump,
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  Speaker 2: even when responding about people murdered by illegal immigrants the Biden,
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  Speaker 2: Harris administration.
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  Speaker 3: Let in, I believe the Biden Harris administration open border
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  Speaker 3: policies are responsible for the death of my daughter.
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  Speaker 1: That's the early days.
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  Speaker 13: So do you owe them an apologies?
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  Speaker 1: I shall tell you.
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  Speaker 6: That I am so sorry for her loss.
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  Speaker 3: I'm so sorry for her loss sincerely. But let's talk
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  Speaker 3: about what is happening right now with an individual who
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  Speaker 3: does not want to participate in solutions.
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  Speaker 6: Let's talk about that as well.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, everything went back to Donald Trump on textpy of
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  Speaker 2: funded sex change surgery.
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  Speaker 13: So are you still in support of using taxpayer dollars
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  Speaker 13: to help prison inmates or detain the legal aliens to
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  Speaker 13: transition to another gender.
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  Speaker 3: I will follow the law, and it's a law that
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  Speaker 3: Donald Trump actually followed.
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  Speaker 2: And on standing up to the Islamic Republic of Iran.
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  Speaker 13: Critics just say that you either relaxed or failed to
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  Speaker 13: enforce sanctions on Iran, allowing all of this money to
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  Speaker 13: flow into Iran.
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  Speaker 6: Like Bill, let's go back to Donald Trump. Hold on,
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  Speaker 6: we'll pulled out.
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  Speaker 3: Of pull out of a deal that would have actually put.
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  Speaker 6: But here Ron in check.
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  Speaker 3: The estimates and bility during Donald Trump's administrator.
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  Speaker 1: Than Ron regime that.
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  Speaker 3: We had an American military base that was attacked.
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  Speaker 2: Even on how the United States needs to change, Harris
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  Speaker 2: went straight to Trump.
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  Speaker 13: Your campaign slogan is a new way forward, and it's
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  Speaker 13: time to turn the page. You've been vice president for
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  Speaker 13: three and a half years. So what are you turning
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  Speaker 13: the page from.
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  Speaker 3: Well, first of all, turning the page from the last
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  Speaker 3: decade in which we have been burdened with the kind
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  Speaker 3: of rhetoric coming from Donald Trump that has been designed
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  Speaker 3: and implemented to divide our country.
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  Speaker 1: Incredibly.
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  Speaker 2: Even on Kamala Harris herself covering for Joe Biden's filing capacities,
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  Speaker 2: we got more on Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 13: When did you first notice that President Biden's mental faculties
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  Speaker 13: heared diminished?
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  Speaker 6: Joe Biden.
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  Speaker 3: I have watched from the Oval office to the situation room,
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  Speaker 3: and he has the judgment and the experiment and experienced
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  Speaker 3: to do exactly what he has done in making very
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  Speaker 3: important decisions on behalf of the American people.
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  Speaker 6: Joe Biden is not on the ballot. I understand Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 6: Donald Trump, we talked about it and Donald.
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  Speaker 1: George Clooney said within a few minutes of.
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  Speaker 13: Talking to President Biden at a fundraiser that he thought
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  Speaker 13: this was not the same Joe Biden that we saw
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  Speaker 13: on the.
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  Speaker 6: Debate stage is on the ballot.
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  Speaker 13: I understand you met with him at least once a
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  Speaker 13: week for three and a half years. You didn't have
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  Speaker 13: any concerns.
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  Speaker 3: I think the American people have a concern about Donald Trump,
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  Speaker 3: and Jess.
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  Speaker 2: To Hammaheim, the point we got this passionate attack on
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  Speaker 2: who else but Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 3: He has talked about locking people up because they disagree
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  Speaker 3: with him. This is a democracy and an inner democracy.
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  Speaker 3: The president of the United States, in the United States
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  Speaker 3: of America should be willing to be able to handle
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  Speaker 3: criticism without saying he'd lock people up for doing it,
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  Speaker 3: and this is what is at stake.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, very aggressive, But the problem with that attack line
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  Speaker 2: is that the Democrats have spent most of the past
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  Speaker 2: four years trying to have Trump convicted and locked up,
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  Speaker 2: and they're still at it now.
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  Speaker 1: He is how the interview finished. I hope you.
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  Speaker 13: Got to say what she wanted to say about Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 6: There are a lot of things to say.
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  Speaker 13: There are a lot of things that people want to
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  Speaker 13: learn about you and your policies, and that's why I.
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  Speaker 3: Invite everyone to go to Kamala Harris dot com and
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  Speaker 3: you will see that I have eighty pages of policies
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  Speaker 3: that are quite comprehensive and should be accessible to anyone
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  Speaker 3: who would like to read them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, if you want policies, to go to the website.
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  Speaker 2: If you want tough interviews, well you've probably seen the
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  Speaker 2: last one of the campaign. For the next twenty days
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  Speaker 2: you'll hear Kamala Harris talking mainly about Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 1: Which is kind of weird when.
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  Speaker 2: You think about it, because both campaigns, both sides of
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: this contest are focused almost exclusively on Donald Trump. The Democrats,
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: even when they're in office, saying Trump's the problem, the
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: Republicans claiming that Trump is the solution. Let's go now
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: to Tom Switzer from the Center for Independent Studies Live
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: in Sydney to talk about that interview and the contest.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Tom, Just to finish on that
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: last point, the policies.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: Is there a serious policy.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: Debate underpinning this very dramatic election campaign.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: No, not at all.
• 20:55
  Speaker 15: And I think you've got to give a credit, as
• 20:57
  Speaker 15: you say, for going into the lines. Den taking questions
• 21:01
  Speaker 15: from Fox News is a bit like how many Australian
• 21:04
  Speaker 15: conservatives feel like it's when you go on the ABC's Q.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: And A Chris exactly.
• 21:09
  Speaker 15: So, she was subjected to tough scrutiny and she whether
• 21:12
  Speaker 15: the storm of Brett Behar's excellent questions. However, she didn't
• 21:16
  Speaker 15: really answer those questions, and so whether it really sways
• 21:20
  Speaker 15: the election and appeals to a lot of those independence
• 21:24
  Speaker 15: and moderate Republicans who are uncomfortable with their second Donald
• 21:28
  Speaker 15: Trump in the White House remains to be seen.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, the most generous I could say is
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: that she showed that she could handle the heat, she
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: could stick it up for us often and fight. Really
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: not to answer the questions. What do you think she
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: hoped to gain? Obviously, the poles are very tighty, if anything,
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: favoring Trump at the moment. Do you think that this
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: was a desperate move to sort of try and and
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: show her stamper show a bit of fight in the campaign.
• 21:56
  Speaker 15: Well, the original strategy for the Democrats was to keep
• 21:59
  Speaker 15: her away from tough interviews. The fact that she's gone
• 22:02
  Speaker 15: on Fox News Channel indicates that there must be some
• 22:05
  Speaker 15: private polling that indicates that she's actually in trouble in
• 22:09
  Speaker 15: those battle ground states. And the reality is is that
• 22:12
  Speaker 15: Trump is doing a lot better than anyone had the
• 22:14
  Speaker 15: right to expect, particularly among African American men and Hispanics.
• 22:20
  Speaker 15: But her best chance of winning the election is to
• 22:22
  Speaker 15: tap into those anxieties among Republican suburban women voters in
• 22:28
  Speaker 15: those battleground state cities. And that's really what the point
• 22:32
  Speaker 15: of today was was to win over those moderate Republican
• 22:36
  Speaker 15: suburban women and also independence and they can swing elections,
• 22:40
  Speaker 15: as we have found out in the past.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and she's got to energize those people to actually
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: get out, turn out and vote.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: So I suppose it would have.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: Been an important strategy in that just getting so much
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: attention on this, But I want to go to one
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: of the key problems for her, and that was revealed
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: a bit last week when she was asked in a
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: couple of different soft interviews what she would have done differently.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: She had been president while she's been.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Vice president for the past three and a half years,
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: And that was taken up in today's interview where Brett
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: Byer asked her about you know, what would she do
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: different Helly, look.
• 23:10
  Speaker 13: You're not Joe Biden, you're not Donald Trump, but nothing
• 23:13
  Speaker 13: comes to mind that you would do differently.
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: Let me be very clear. My presidency will not be
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: a continuation of Joe Biden's presidency. And like every new
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: president that comes in to office, I will bring my
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: life experiences, my professional experiences, and fresh and new ideas.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: I represent a new generation of leadership.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Tom, we all know the problems and hurdles Donald
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Trump faces. But on Kamala Harris, this is the big one,
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: isn't it. She wants to be the new brush of change,
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: if you like, and she wants to try and try.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: And sell renewal. But she's actually the incumbitant.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: She's part of the current administration, and she can't seem
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: to differentiate herself.
• 23:57
  Speaker 15: That's right, Bill Clinton in nineteen ninety two, Barack Obama
• 24:00
  Speaker 15: in two thousand and eight, they ran on a platform
• 24:03
  Speaker 15: of change and renewal because the Republicans had been in
• 24:07
  Speaker 15: power for the previous eight to twelve years. Now, bear
• 24:11
  Speaker 15: in mind, twelve of the last sixteen years a Democrat
• 24:16
  Speaker 15: has been in the White House.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: So it's a bit.
• 24:19
  Speaker 15: Rich for Kamala Harrison the Democrats to be blaming all
• 24:22
  Speaker 15: the polarization in Washington on one Donald Trump. Look, he's
• 24:26
  Speaker 15: a symptom of a broader crisis in the United States,
• 24:29
  Speaker 15: and again she's only playing the Trump card because this
• 24:32
  Speaker 15: is her best chance of winning over those moderate Republican
• 24:35
  Speaker 15: suburban voters. That's her best chance of winning, and that's
• 24:38
  Speaker 15: what she did in that interview, trying to appeal to them,
• 24:41
  Speaker 15: and what he appeals to a lot of working class
• 24:43
  Speaker 15: Democrats remains to be seen. It's highly unlikely, given that
• 24:46
  Speaker 15: they're increasingly pro Trump.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: Just quickly.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: Would you venture a prediction of the result at this stage.
• 24:55
  Speaker 15: No, it's just too close. The only thing that is interesting,
• 24:59
  Speaker 15: Chris is the Betty Mark. It's Trump now has about
• 25:01
  Speaker 15: a seventy cent lead over Harris. That's the highest by
• 25:05
  Speaker 15: far since she became the nominee.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: Follow the money, as they say.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I knew you'd be too wise to make
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: a tip yourself to Tom. Thanks very much, Tom Switzer there,
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: who heads up the Center for Independent Studies. Fascinating analysis.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: We've got to get to a break. On the other
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: side of that, I'm going to catch up with Tim
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: Blair and Mark Nicholson plenty to get through with them.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: We'll talk about elbows was plus Kamela's Trump obsession. We'll
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: get their thoughts on that, and of course cost of
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: living pressures in this country, pushing down the birth rate.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: Let's sort the world out now with Tim Blair from
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: the Daily Telegraph and step Mat Studio's genius Mark Nicholson.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: Thanks both for joining us. Tim, It's been a good
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: week for Elbow so far, don't you reckon?
• 25:49
  Speaker 16: Oh top boy? You know I know that, I know
• 25:52
  Speaker 16: though that we actually I owe Albow an apology, like
• 25:56
  Speaker 16: I know that we've been giving him a lot of
• 25:57
  Speaker 16: grief in the last couple of weeks about his obsession
• 25:59
  Speaker 16: with she inflation. You know, packaging keeps getting smaller, but
• 26:03
  Speaker 16: it's the same cost, you know, unlike everything in his
• 26:06
  Speaker 16: you know, his real estate poly.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: Which he is getting bigger.
• 26:09
  Speaker 6: But I tell you.
• 26:12
  Speaker 16: The little bloke was on the side because that's a flake.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: Come on, I think you've got the party pack mate
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: for you, poor man. The thing is, though, you know,
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: I was a one time political political advisor. You think
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: about these things when when the PM's in strife for
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: being a bit too flippant and worried about his own
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: real estate portfolio and not the big issues of the day,
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: then you've got to think about what he does next.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: And that's why I reckon this is genius some days.
• 26:49
  Speaker 6: Please welcome Anthony Albert.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: He may be.
• 26:52
  Speaker 7: Running the country. Does the PM no music?
• 26:55
  Speaker 8: How competitive are you is?
• 26:56
  Speaker 9: You don't get to be PM without being a.
• 26:58
  Speaker 6: Little bits to the test.
• 27:02
  Speaker 11: El and John Hockey shadow Yes, correct.
• 27:04
  Speaker 7: Great games, big laughs, loads of fun.
• 27:08
  Speaker 9: I've got a feeling if the Prime Minister losers, it
• 27:10
  Speaker 9: might be the end.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: Of the show.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: I tell you what, Mark, that'll get him back on
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: track with all his colleagues if he wins spicks and specs.
• 27:20
  Speaker 12: Mate, if you need any more evidence of the blokes
• 27:22
  Speaker 12: tone deaf as opposed from the house and him putting
• 27:25
  Speaker 12: on a music show is going to be the thing.
• 27:27
  Speaker 12: They've got such a good opportunity the AB so they
• 27:29
  Speaker 12: can bring him out to the copa Gabana song guy.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: That sadly, sadly they would have pre recorded that. Otherwise
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: they certainly could have gone for that.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you what.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: Our good friend Johanna Sleek always gets his cartoon early
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: to us when you guys are and I think he
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: wants to get the critique from you. And he's had
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: a look at Elbow's beach house this week and he's
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: got the real estate agent saying drift off to the
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: sound of the surf crashing against the rocks, the calls
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: of the native birds in the trees, and the whales
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: of the homeless in the distance.
• 28:05
  Speaker 8: Okay, that's that's beautiful. And and also you know, yeah,
• 28:09
  Speaker 8: Hannis is a is a resident around about that area.
• 28:12
  Speaker 8: So I mean this is a very personal for Hednus.
• 28:14
  Speaker 8: He's gonna he's about to get a new sentral person neighbor.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Yah.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: Hannas will be hoping that Albert doesn't learn to surf,
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: because he'll drop in on.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: Some of his favorite breaks up there. I've just got
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: to show you. You show you.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: This mark because this is my attempt, or our attempt
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: here yesterday has some some amateur animation your forte of course,
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: how does this scrub up? It's a bit rough and ready,
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: but hopefully you can do something better in your studios.
• 28:52
  Speaker 12: No great minds, think alike, look at this, that's unbelievable.
• 28:56
  Speaker 12: We should this is a series. We'll bring him out
• 28:57
  Speaker 12: to We'll do a C d C high way to Hell.
• 29:00
  Speaker 12: It's electricity prices also a high way to help for renewables.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: We can do a lot with this, mate.
• 29:04
  Speaker 12: You've got a format there, you're sitting on a gold mine.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: Great stuff.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Now, the serious cost of living pressures that this is
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: distracting everybody from, or distracting the Prime Minister from, apparently,
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: is driving down the birth rate to alarming levels tim
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: down about one point five at the moment. No wonder
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: we need to bring immigrants in even if we've lost
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: control of that a bit.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: Should we be concerned about this?
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: Do we need Peter Costello's you know, one for the
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: one for one, one for dad, one for the country.
• 29:33
  Speaker 16: I think we should be concerned about it. Also, you know,
• 29:36
  Speaker 16: when having children becomes a luxury, that's something that it
• 29:41
  Speaker 16: didn't even exist as a concept during the depression for
• 29:44
  Speaker 16: obvious manifold reasons. You know, there weren't the same sort
• 29:47
  Speaker 16: of contraceptions availble. They weren't say, the same sort of
• 29:49
  Speaker 16: lifestyle choices for women obviously during the twenties and thirties.
• 29:53
  Speaker 16: But when people when there's additional pressures on top of
• 29:56
  Speaker 16: the existing ones on our birth rate, yes, it's pretty
• 29:59
  Speaker 16: con and you don't want to end up like Japan,
• 30:02
  Speaker 16: where for some time now the market for adult diapers
• 30:06
  Speaker 16: has been bigger than the market for babies diapers.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: What a fightening.
• 30:10
  Speaker 16: You want to bring things down to it, you know,
• 30:11
  Speaker 16: you want to get the younger you, younger kids, young
• 30:14
  Speaker 16: kids coming through rather than the old time is hanging around.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what a frightening and alarming.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: And the statistic you've just yed us about Japan. What
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: about you, Mark, you'd be in the age frame. A
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: lot of your friends in the age of having children.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: They all putting it off to try and buy a house.
• 30:31
  Speaker 12: I can tell you now there's a big announcement. Actually,
• 30:33
  Speaker 12: I had the twelve week scan just this week. Actually,
• 30:36
  Speaker 12: I'm doing my bid for the country lunching and get
• 30:39
  Speaker 12: out of the world, which.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: Is pretty awesome.
• 30:41
  Speaker 12: Yeah, that being said, absolutely terrified. I don't know how
• 30:45
  Speaker 12: we're going to afford it. So we've just got the
• 30:46
  Speaker 12: one for now. The point five we'll have to think
• 30:49
  Speaker 12: about maybe later next year.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: We'll see how we go.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's very good news, brilliant news. We'll catch up
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: and chat more about it later. Let's go to the
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: US and talk about this said of you today, it
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: was staggering to see. No matter what, you could have
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: asked Kamala Harris about life on Mars and she would
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: have got the answer somehow back to Donald Trump.
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: Rhetoric that has come out of Donald Trump. Donald Trump
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: has been running for office. If you listen to Donald
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: Trump rhetoric coming from Donald Trump, donald Trump being a threat,
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: Trump is on about Let's go.
• 31:25
  Speaker 6: Back to Donald Trump.
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: I think the American people have a concern about Donald Trump.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: She's going to be waking up in the middle of
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: the night tim screaming Donald Trump.
• 31:36
  Speaker 16: Well, she's just been done for plagiarism. Turns out she
• 31:38
  Speaker 16: lifted a bunch of stuff from a book in two
• 31:40
  Speaker 16: thousan nine straight from Wikipedia, so she copies a lot.
• 31:44
  Speaker 16: And also maybe Donald Trump's got a sort of some
• 31:48
  Speaker 16: form of plagiarism claim for the amount of content he
• 31:50
  Speaker 16: filled up in that interview.
• 31:51
  Speaker 12: There.
• 31:52
  Speaker 16: He's not even around and he's still been a name
• 31:54
  Speaker 16: checked by Kamala. By the way, an interesting.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: Sort of thing.
• 31:57
  Speaker 16: If you ever google Kamala Harris each it's almost inevitable,
• 32:02
  Speaker 16: about one hundred percent match. That search will also include
• 32:06
  Speaker 16: the phrase train wreck because her speech or interview, because
• 32:09
  Speaker 16: just about every time she starts chatting to people, it
• 32:11
  Speaker 16: goes wildly off the rails. You just wouldn't you wouldn't
• 32:14
  Speaker 16: book a train ticket in the US, if you have
• 32:16
  Speaker 16: the same rate of train crashes as her conversations, she.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: Is pretty incredible to watch. Mark.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: I'm constantly staggered by what comes out of her mouth.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: And this is no matter who she interviews, the.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: Soft interviews or the hard interviews, it's all bad for
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: her because it always ends in mush.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 32:35
  Speaker 8: Yeah, she's a bad politician.
• 32:39
  Speaker 12: Go ahead, mate, she's a bad politician and a bad candidate.
• 32:42
  Speaker 12: Of course, you're right, one hundred percent, Lands, But I've
• 32:44
  Speaker 12: got to say I actually prefer this coma. I think
• 32:47
  Speaker 12: it's a little bit more authentic, you know. I think
• 32:49
  Speaker 12: she actually does better in these adversarial interviews, do you know.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: What I mean.
• 32:52
  Speaker 12: I think it's the meandering ones where she starts talking
• 32:54
  Speaker 12: about America and inspiration and growing up in a middle
• 32:57
  Speaker 12: class family. There's no highlight reel to this. At least,
• 33:00
  Speaker 12: this is a violent train wreck. Watch at least it's
• 33:02
  Speaker 12: somewhat entertaining. It's a little bit more fun. Exactly, she's
• 33:06
  Speaker 12: a prosecutor. This is this is what she does.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: Yes, she shows a bit of fight in this. At
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: least you're right if she says to you in talking
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: to Opera, Winfrey for an hour. It's you know, the
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: whole country is deflated talking about bad politicians.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: Look at the liberal leader of the act, Elizabeth Lee.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: She doesn't like this journo.
• 33:29
  Speaker 6: Are you finished?
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: I answer the question, are you finished or not?
• 33:33
  Speaker 10: I will answer the question in my own way, and
• 33:35
  Speaker 10: you don't get to dictate how aswer the question. Thanks.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: I love the way we have to blur her out.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: The gesture she made towards him, Tim, I don't think
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: it was a thumbs up.
• 33:54
  Speaker 16: Yeah, I think it was like maybe it was a
• 33:57
  Speaker 16: maybe pinky squeare. She did get a bit of strife there.
• 34:01
  Speaker 16: But what is it with camera where you like even
• 34:06
  Speaker 16: the limbs are kind of bulshy and unpleasant and goooky.
• 34:09
  Speaker 16: It's it's got to be something that's wrong in the place.
• 34:11
  Speaker 16: I mean, you spent you know, I think you've got
• 34:13
  Speaker 16: time off and good behavior in the end, Christ, but
• 34:15
  Speaker 16: you've been you know, you did a couple of stretches
• 34:18
  Speaker 16: the in the act crazy House?
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: Is that the sort of behavior that's that's roch?
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: Then it's normally when I give someone the finger, I
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: want them to see it. You don't do it to
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: their back, do it to their back, just quickly, Mark,
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: we've got time to have a look at this. You
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: like to think you live in the arts capital of
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: the world there in Melbourne. I know, what do you
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: make of this statue that's popped up on a suburban
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: Melbourne street.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: Surely this has got some artistic merit, reygun. Oh mate.
• 34:45
  Speaker 12: See the thing is it looks dumb when you look
• 34:47
  Speaker 12: at it, just like the Olympic performance.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: It looks quite dumb when you look at it.
• 34:50
  Speaker 12: But unlike the Olympic performance, the more you look at it,
• 34:52
  Speaker 12: the more impressive it gets.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: It's like, look at the balance it's going into the ground.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: It's actually the paper mache is good quality. Somewhere in
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: nor it's got a lot of time on their hands.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: A queens your gun? Is it that great stuff? Yeah,
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: it'll probably be there for the role of visit.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us at Tim and Mark have a
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: great weekend. We'll catch you next week.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: We got to get to the break.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: On the other side, we'll talk to Keith Pitt about
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: Keith Pitt about energy, especially those big tech companies pushing forward.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: With nuclear energy, so why not Australia.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: Of course, Also we'll get Barbara Hendiback's views on Kumela's
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: combative interview, they stuck up to Bundenberg in Queensland and
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: catch up with National MP Keith Pitt.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: Good to talk to you again.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: Keith I kicked off the program showing this amazing cavalcade
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: of major US companies, big tech companies, some of the
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: most successful companies in the world, who are actually investing
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: their own.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: Money in nuclear energy.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: Now you know, of course about Microsoft at Three Mile Island.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: Now Google's involved, Oracle.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: Amazon, This is such a trend, it's obvious. Of course
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: they need emissions free, reliable energy.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: How can they all be wrong? And Chris Bowen and
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: Albo are right.
• 36:05
  Speaker 9: Chris, you're going to have to forgive me that this
• 36:07
  Speaker 9: will be the one and only time you hear me
• 36:09
  Speaker 9: quote Adam Band Chris Bowen, Google it mate.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: There's a reason that they're doing it.
• 36:14
  Speaker 9: Well, there's three reasons actually, reliability, reliability and reliability. Because
• 36:18
  Speaker 9: if you're storing the world's sensitive data, critical data, national
• 36:22
  Speaker 9: security data, government data, your personal data, you're banking details,
• 36:26
  Speaker 9: the one thing you can't have is the power go out.
• 36:28
  Speaker 9: So you've got nuclear with a capacity factor of around
• 36:32
  Speaker 9: ninety two percent, that's almost three times win. It's almost
• 36:35
  Speaker 9: four times solar. That's the reason.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: They're using it. It's reliable.
• 36:40
  Speaker 9: I think the carbon free piece comes as an addition,
• 36:43
  Speaker 9: but it works.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's economically viable, Otherwise they wouldn't be doing it.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: Speaking of googling it, here's a little bit video about
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: what Google.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: Are playing planning.
• 36:52
  Speaker 10: Advanced nuclear reactors provide safe, around the clock power that
• 36:56
  Speaker 10: can help Google and the world meet electricity demand with
• 37:00
  Speaker 10: carbon free energy every hour of every day. Our new
• 37:04
  Speaker 10: partnership with Cairo's Power will accelerate the deployment of the
• 37:07
  Speaker 10: first commercial scale reactor, followed by a fleet of reactors
• 37:11
  Speaker 10: that will deliver clean, reliable power to the US electricity system.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, not only are they talking about nuclear, but they're
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: talking big time about small modular reactors.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: They're actually making your arguments for you.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: You are to get Google, an Amazon, and Microsoft out
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: here to do a campaign.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: For you.
• 37:31
  Speaker 9: Well, along with Virginia class submarines and Orcus and everything
• 37:34
  Speaker 9: else you can.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: Use as nuclear.
• 37:36
  Speaker 9: But the argument just stays the same, Right, it's small footprint,
• 37:39
  Speaker 9: it's very high energy intensity. We don't have to build
• 37:41
  Speaker 9: transmission lines all over the country. It works, it's recognized
• 37:45
  Speaker 9: around the world. It's proven technology, it's not first of time,
• 37:48
  Speaker 9: and we should use it in Australia. I mean, how
• 37:50
  Speaker 9: many more arguments do you need?
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: Chrit Well, I think the other point here is and
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: I think it was always the case, but it's starting
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: to become bleeding obvious now to everyone, and that is
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: that it is the way of the modern world. Any
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: serious economy has to has this technology and these skills.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: And if Australias tries to stay out of it but
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: bar everything but our defense.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: Forces, we're sort of troublodytes.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: We're keeping ourselves in the second tier when it comes
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: to modern technologically advanced economies.
• 38:22
  Speaker 9: And don't forget we have nearly thirty percent of the
• 38:24
  Speaker 9: world's uranium reserves, so we've got the fuel.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: We can certainly utilize it.
• 38:28
  Speaker 9: We're already building the capacity that we need in terms
• 38:31
  Speaker 9: of the public service and all of the educational pieces
• 38:34
  Speaker 9: and physics and engineers and everything else that you want
• 38:37
  Speaker 9: along with ucas it's coming. It has to including dealing
• 38:41
  Speaker 9: with high level radioactive wasted end of life. So why
• 38:44
  Speaker 9: wouldn't we just use it? Well, clearly because Labour's got
• 38:48
  Speaker 9: an ideological opposition that's all there is.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're stuck in the nineteen seventies. I think it's
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: a real problem now speaking about being stuck in the
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: nineteen seventies might be more the eighties music on this one,
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: but I've showed the Clipper Cup couple of times. Anthony
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: Albanezi is going to turn up on the ABC music
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: quiz program Spick and Specs this Sunday night. Isn't this
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: just an appalling move for him, poorly timed, given the
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: week he's had and the fact that he needs to
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: show the country and his own colleagues that he's focused
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: on the real issues.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: I'm a bit of a fan of Spicks and Specs.
• 39:23
  Speaker 9: I'll go on Q and A, I'll go on Radio
• 39:25
  Speaker 9: National and all those other tough interviews. I'll never go
• 39:27
  Speaker 9: on Spicks and Specs. I've got absolutely slaughtered. Unless they
• 39:30
  Speaker 9: asked me about, you know, some concerts in Rockhampton from
• 39:35
  Speaker 9: distrates in the mid eighties, I got no chance. But
• 39:37
  Speaker 9: it's got that feeling of a look over here, look
• 39:39
  Speaker 9: over here.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: Sort of moment. It's a very strange thing to do.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: I reckon the timing is appalling, and I reckon his
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: colleagues will hate it. I don't mind the show either,
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: but you're right it's a bit lefty as everything is
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: at the ABC.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: They might do a bit of Cold Chisel for a
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: bit of cheap wine and three day growth.
• 39:57
  Speaker 9: Yeah for me, Chris and Girls, any of these Trian bands.
• 40:01
  Speaker 9: But but all I can't remember half the questions I asked.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't get anything right.
• 40:05
  Speaker 9: It'll be damn right embarrassing and hopefully it's not for
• 40:07
  Speaker 9: Australia as Prime Minister. But I'm sure they've lined that
• 40:10
  Speaker 9: up earlier.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: As you know, they would have got his favorite bands
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: in there. Thanks for joining us, Keith. I appreciate it.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: Keith Pitt there, that'll be one for the AB. So
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: you get Keith Pitt on Spicks and Spicks.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: Now let's get back to the US battle as well,
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: because I thought it'd be fantastic.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: Today.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: After Kamala Harris's interview, to catch up with the former
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: White House Democrat staffer, Barbara Henebeck, she joins us live
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: from Brisbane. Thanks for joining us again, Barbara. What did
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: you make of Kamala Harris's performance?
• 40:38
  Speaker 17: Oh my, I almost well, I won't go there, but
• 40:43
  Speaker 17: Kamala had a great opportunity today, and I thought in
• 40:47
  Speaker 17: the beginning she started out answering the question, although she
• 40:51
  Speaker 17: started the answer before Brett had a chance to finish asking.
• 40:55
  Speaker 17: And it didn't even take a minute, Chris before she
• 40:59
  Speaker 17: pivoted into just finding excuses. And I did notice she
• 41:05
  Speaker 17: has a new three prong approach. And number one, she
• 41:08
  Speaker 17: starts out caml what she wants to talk about. She said,
• 41:12
  Speaker 17: you and I both know what I'm about to talk about,
• 41:15
  Speaker 17: and of course Brett said, no, I don't, but I'd
• 41:17
  Speaker 17: like you to explain it to me. She didn't manage that.
• 41:21
  Speaker 17: Then she fillibustered, and when she was pressed on a
• 41:24
  Speaker 17: question about well, immigration, they started there and she goes
• 41:28
  Speaker 17: off and ends up back at Donald Trump's camp. As
• 41:31
  Speaker 17: you mentioned earlier in your program today, that was almost
• 41:34
  Speaker 17: every answer but her first second answer when they started
• 41:38
  Speaker 17: talking about well, once we became in the administration, she
• 41:42
  Speaker 17: wouldn't take any credit for the problems that the administration
• 41:45
  Speaker 17: has had. She had an opportunity to talk about some
• 41:49
  Speaker 17: of the positive achievements that the administration has made. Unfortunately,
• 41:54
  Speaker 17: she was not even able to come up with one.
• 41:57
  Speaker 17: Number two when it went on that what else do
• 42:00
  Speaker 17: you want to see. When she was asked about the
• 42:03
  Speaker 17: immigration she tried to turn it into from day one,
• 42:06
  Speaker 17: we struck down and to improve the border bill, the
• 42:10
  Speaker 17: border problem. But that bill was not at all to
• 42:14
  Speaker 17: improve anything. What it was doing was they stopped having Mexico,
• 42:20
  Speaker 17: you know, hold the illegals there. And then she went
• 42:24
  Speaker 17: into they decriminalized, they stopped that, they had given access
• 42:29
  Speaker 17: to free housing for the illegals, free health care, and
• 42:34
  Speaker 17: she said free sex changes for prisoners in hospital.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: She stuck with all this stuff from her record.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: I think the most interesting dynamic is she's trying to
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: be the fresh new change for America and saying that
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: it's been horrible for the last decade and all make
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: things bit it. But she's vice president, she's been part
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: of the administration, supposedly the number two of the administration
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: for the past three and a half years. She says
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: she wouldn't have done anything differently. So I'm going to
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: show this exchange. I think this is really pivotal because
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: it's based on polling that says seventy nine percent of
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: Americans believe the country right now is.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: On the wrong track. So how does she explain that.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: Have a look at this why.
• 43:18
  Speaker 13: Are they saying that if you're turning the page. You've
• 43:21
  Speaker 13: been in office for three and a half.
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: Years, and Donald Trump has been running for office, but.
• 43:28
  Speaker 13: You've been the person held me off.
• 43:30
  Speaker 6: You both know what I'm talking about. You and I
• 43:32
  Speaker 6: both know what I'm I actually don't what are you
• 43:34
  Speaker 6: talking about.
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: What I'm talking about is that over the last decade,
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: people have the power. But listen, over the last decade,
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: it is clear to me and certainly the Republicans who
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: are on stage with me, the former chief of staff
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: to the President Donald Trump, the former defense secretaries, national
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: security advisor, and his vice president one, that he is
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: unfit to serve, that he is unstable, that he is dangerous,
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: and that people are exhausted.
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: I think what she's trying to say, Barbara, is that
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: even though she's in government now, the way to get
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: the country back on track is to defeat the challenge.
• 44:20
  Speaker 17: Yeah, yeah, well, this is what she's attempted to do
• 44:24
  Speaker 17: with almost every question. But why didn't she come up
• 44:27
  Speaker 17: with some of her policies planning to change and then
• 44:32
  Speaker 17: her you know, and then Brett let her know when
• 44:34
  Speaker 17: she was running out of steam, had gone through her
• 44:37
  Speaker 17: little temper tantrum and all of that. He said, well,
• 44:40
  Speaker 17: they're just two more questions. The final question was tell
• 44:44
  Speaker 17: us about your policies. What would you do? This was
• 44:46
  Speaker 17: her moment, is to own those final comments, and she said, well,
• 44:50
  Speaker 17: if they want to know about my policies, I have
• 44:52
  Speaker 17: a hundred pages, they can go and read it.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: Articulate one that's incredible.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: That is what your spot on that said so much.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: If you want to know my policies, go to the website.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: You want to know how I'll get the country back
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: on track, go.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: To my website. Thanks for joining us, Barbara, I appreciate it.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: Barbara Heindeback, the former Democrat White House insider.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: We're going to get to a break.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: On the other side, I'm going to check you in
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: on other international issues, especially what's happening in the Middle East,
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: and also Australia sending dozens of aging abrams tanks to Ukraine. Well,
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: Australia is sending more military hardware to help out Ukraine.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: Let me bring in Michael Sheerbridge from Strategic Analysis Australia,
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: joining us live from Canberra.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: Good to talk to you again, Michael.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: We're sending nearly fifty abrams tanks. Now, these have been
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: the go to tanks American made for many, many decades,
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: but they're near their end of life for Australia. Are
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: they a good gift for a good donation for Ukraine?
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: Will they be militarily useful.
• 46:00
  Speaker 18: Chris, Yes, they will. They're still very capable tanks. You
• 46:05
  Speaker 18: say they're aging, but really they're a year older than
• 46:08
  Speaker 18: they could have been getting to Ukraine because it's taken
• 46:11
  Speaker 18: the government over a year to make a very obvious decision.
• 46:15
  Speaker 18: And while our armies had them for about twenty years,
• 46:18
  Speaker 18: they've been lovingly cared for. They're a bit like the
• 46:21
  Speaker 18: tank version of the elderly pensioner's Corolla. So they will
• 46:26
  Speaker 18: be very useful to the Ukrainians.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they haven't seen many much action.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: Of course, when our troops have been overseas in places
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: like Iraq.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: And whatever, there's been American tanks. They're not ours. Let's
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: have a listen to the Defense Minister on his thoughts.
• 46:41
  Speaker 5: These tanks are in good condition, they will be able
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: to make a significant difference on the battlefield, and we
• 46:49
  Speaker 5: will stay with Ukraine for as long as it takes
• 46:51
  Speaker 5: for Ukraine to resolve this conflict. On its own terms,
• 46:54
  Speaker 5: and this will not be the last contribution we make.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: As you say, Ukraine's been asking this for a long
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: while and we finally delivered. Is this symptomatic of what's
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: happening when it comes to Ukraine?
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: A lot of Western.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: Allies doing enough to keep them going, but not sufficient
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: to enable them to win.
• 47:13
  Speaker 18: Yes, Chris and the Australian government. The Albanesi government tends
• 47:17
  Speaker 18: to make announcements about helping Ukraine when they're going to
• 47:20
  Speaker 18: a big international meeting. I think they're driven more by
• 47:24
  Speaker 18: fear of embarrassment rather than actually helping Ukraine. We could
• 47:28
  Speaker 18: open our embassy right now and mister Miles could make
• 47:32
  Speaker 18: a decision to give the Ukrainians the twenty two Tiger
• 47:36
  Speaker 18: attack helicopters that we're retiring from our army and maybe
• 47:40
  Speaker 18: train the Ukrainian pilots and maintainers now. So he could
• 47:44
  Speaker 18: make much better, quicker decisions than we've seen to date.
• 47:48
  Speaker 18: But it's great that these tanks are going to Ukraine.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: Let's pivot to the Middle East now, where Israel is
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: still involved in trying to attack Hezbla posts and Hezbela
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: operatives in Lebanon. Mainly southern Lebanon, but some of that
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: action has gone further north, drawing a lot of criticism.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: What are we seeing unfolding now?
• 48:09
  Speaker 18: I think we're seeing the Israelis knowing where has Bollah
• 48:13
  Speaker 18: commanders and leaders are fleeing to, are given the destruction
• 48:17
  Speaker 18: to their headquarters in Beirut. So these strikes in northern
• 48:21
  Speaker 18: Lebanon will be intelligence driven and there has Bolah organization
• 48:26
  Speaker 18: knows they've been deeply penetrated by Israeli intelligence.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: We're still waiting for the Israeli response the attack on Iran.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: Would they seriously be considering the American electoral timetable here?
• 48:42
  Speaker 18: Well, I think Prime Minister Netanyah, who knows that the
• 48:47
  Speaker 18: war in the Middle East is a live election issue
• 48:50
  Speaker 18: in America, but he's seen a couple of big things
• 48:53
  Speaker 18: out of the Biden administration. That missile defense system run
• 48:57
  Speaker 18: by American troops that's going to be put into Israel
• 49:00
  Speaker 18: ad system, And just a few hours ago the US
• 49:04
  Speaker 18: Defense sectary telling the world that American B two stealth
• 49:07
  Speaker 18: bombers have attacked five Hooty underground weapon facilities.
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: That's a clear message to a run.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I couldn't I hadn't caught up with that.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: That's fascinating news. Thanks for joining us again, Michael. I
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: appreciate Michael Subridge there from Strategic Analysis Australia. Just time
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: to get in some of your feedback from what I
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: had to say about Anthony Alberizi last night, losing the
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: plot and not tackling the big issues. Mark says the
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: most enormous challenge is having Albo was Prime Minister, and
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: Chris says Albow is not up to the job. Australians
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: about a gut full and Conrad says a four point
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: three million dollar home, why.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: Should he be worried?
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: He'll leave with the taxpayer's silverspoon in his mouth. He'sai
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: sure we'll get a good pension. And another viewer says,
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: my grandfather is ninety eight years old, he's almost blind,
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: likes me to read the comments to him for a laugh.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: He wanted to add that he is the worst PM
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: we've ever had. All stop.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: Well, that's a big call, but I know a lot
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: of people are saying it. Thanks for joining me. I'll
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: catch you next week.