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OUTRAGE: Cult Mom Lori Vallow Attorney demands private jailhouse cellphone · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Does it never end with this woman? Of course, I'm
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Speaker 1: talking about cult mom Laurie Valoe. Just to cut the chase,
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Speaker 1: two of her children are found dead, buried in the
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Speaker 1: pet cemetery of her brand new husband husband model number five, backyard, burned, dismembered,
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Speaker 1: obviously dead. Do I need to hear anymore from her? Well? Sadly,
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Speaker 1: she won't go away and she's not gonna go down
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Speaker 1: quietly in the last hours, called Mama Laurie Valo demands
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Speaker 1: she gets a private cell phone behind bars. Called Mama
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Speaker 1: Laurie Valo demands she gets a private cell phone behind bars.
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Speaker 1: Not only that the beginning of descension within the ranks.
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Speaker 1: Is there a crack forming between her and her fifth husband,
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Speaker 1: cult leader Chad day Belle. I hope you're sitting down
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Speaker 1: for this. You may neate to lay down. Take a
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Speaker 1: list of dur friency Kifi, look light well, Lorie Valo.
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Speaker 1: Dayville's attorney now wants her to have a cell phone.
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Speaker 1: In the latest motion filed last week now on Tuesday,
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Speaker 1: attorney Mark means I also asked for jail cameras to
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Speaker 1: be turned off whenever he and Valo meet face to face.
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Speaker 1: He says giving her a cell phone would allow them
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Speaker 1: to communicate with each other, citing COVID nineteen safety restrictions
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Speaker 1: at the Madison County Jail. Now. At the same time,
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Speaker 1: he says, their face to face meetings are in public areas,
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Speaker 1: and when they're allowed to talk on the phone, it's
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Speaker 1: on a recorded line. He argues these circumstances are unfair
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Speaker 1: when preparing for trial a motion on his hearing on
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Speaker 1: his motion has not yet been set. I guess not
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Speaker 1: that way way do analyst priorities for the judge in
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Speaker 1: this case? With me an all star panel judge, trial lawyer,
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Speaker 1: anchor Court TV Ashley Wilcot. You can find her at
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Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcot dot com. Board certified clinical Psychologist, Professor Behavioral Medicine,
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Speaker 1: TURO College, author of the Causes of Autism on Amazon.
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Speaker 1: You can find me doctor Jeff Gardere dot com, Professor Forensics,
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Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on
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Speaker 1: Amazon and Starve a brand new hit series on the
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Speaker 1: True Crime network Poisonous Liaisons. But first, you are special
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Speaker 1: guests joining us from the East Idaho News dot com.
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Speaker 1: Eric Grossart Eric, What's next? Does she want? Special organic
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Speaker 1: food behind bars and a backmassage and a pedicure. What
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Speaker 1: who jumps up to a judge that says I want
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Speaker 1: my own private cell phone behind bars? Dann, she read
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Speaker 1: the rules about when you murder you children and you
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Speaker 1: go to jail, you don't get a private cell phone.
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Speaker 1: You know. I laugh when you bring up the organic
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Speaker 1: food and everything behind jail. I was taught by please
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Speaker 1: don't tell what she asked for that too. No, no,
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Speaker 1: she hasn't brought that up. But I was talking to
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Speaker 1: some other jails around the area that Laurie and Chatter
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Speaker 1: not in, and they're like, our job is to make
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Speaker 1: sure that they're safe, they don't hurt other people and ourselves.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I've heard people say that it's not a
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Speaker 1: five star hotel to be inside jail, so asking for
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Speaker 1: a cell phone it's kind of out there. I mean,
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Speaker 1: that's against the rules. You don't have cell phones in jail.
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Speaker 1: It's just all part of that. They want to keep
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Speaker 1: everything restricted and safe in that jail environment. So it's
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Speaker 1: definitely something that I've never heard of before. Yeah, and
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Speaker 1: jessicat Morgan, Professor Forensics, I believe and I think it
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Speaker 1: will be proven at trial that a lot of communications
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Speaker 1: between cult mom Laurie Valo, her co defendant husband, model
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Speaker 1: number five cult leader Chad day Belle, her husband, I
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Speaker 1: mean her brother now dead under my serious circumstances, and
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Speaker 1: others communicated by cell phone. I'm gonna hand a cell
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Speaker 1: phone back to her. No, No, it's it's ridiculous. It's like, uh,
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Speaker 1: you know, it's like giving someone a gun that has
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Speaker 1: a proclivity for shooting people. You don't want to do
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Speaker 1: this because a lot of this, a lot of this stuff.
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Speaker 1: You know, we've covered this for a long time, and
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Speaker 1: all of this is about networking with one another. And
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Speaker 1: in this communication they have and I think that they
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Speaker 1: probably even talking probably a coded language that's in their mind,
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Speaker 1: at least theologically based. There's some been certain things that
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Speaker 1: have come out about this along the way. So, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't touch this with a vaccinated crowbar. They can
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Speaker 1: completely forget getting a cell phone if I was in
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Speaker 1: charge of that. Joke, Arry Grossartheast idahows dot com. What
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Speaker 1: can you tell us about allegations there have been communications
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Speaker 1: in so kind of how this whole thing works in jail, right,
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Speaker 1: Mark means goes into the jail, and because of COVID nineteen,
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Speaker 1: they're not letting people go face to face. Of course,
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Speaker 1: there's a glass panel between Mark and Laurie, so and
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Speaker 1: on each side there's a phone they pick up and
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Speaker 1: they talk back and forth. And in this document Mark
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Speaker 1: actually includes photos. And it's kind of hard here just
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Speaker 1: talking about it that fully see it. But Mark is
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Speaker 1: going to be holding up a document for Laurie to
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Speaker 1: read on the glass while Laurie's talking on the other side.
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Speaker 1: And he's upset too because there's cameras in these rooms.
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Speaker 1: It's not like a private attorney room where they meet
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Speaker 1: face to face, no cameras anything like that. And so
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Speaker 1: these are all part of his concerns that is happening
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Speaker 1: here inside of the jail. So the big thing is
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Speaker 1: he wants those cameras off and he wants that cell
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Speaker 1: phone so that he feels like Laurie's attorney client privilege,
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Speaker 1: which of course is part of the Constitution, is protected.
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Speaker 1: Now what will come from this, we don't know. Don't care.
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Speaker 1: Don't care. I mean, help me out, doctor Jeff Gardier,
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Speaker 1: and don't please tune up about how somehow, way back
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Speaker 1: when maybe she was underprivileged or she didn't get her
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Speaker 1: master's degree that she always wanted her. She competed in
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Speaker 1: missus what was it? A gross thought? Was it Missus
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Speaker 1: Arizona or Missus Utah? What was she in Texas Texas?
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Speaker 1: She am to be miss Texas? Yes, thank you for
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Speaker 1: that correction. She couldn't go on from missus Texas to
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Speaker 1: missus Universe or whatever. Don't do it, Guarder, explain to
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Speaker 1: me instead. I want to understand how someone who a
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Speaker 1: grand jury believes had a lot to do with the murders,
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Speaker 1: the dismemberment, the burning of her sixteen year old girl
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Speaker 1: and her seven year old little boy. She's what some
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Speaker 1: wilting flower that she can't sit in a room that
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Speaker 1: all the other inmates use and speak to her lawyer.
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Speaker 1: She's so special, I'll tell you special Tyley and JJ,
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Speaker 1: that's too special. You're absolutely right. And of course I've
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Speaker 1: never examined Laurie Vallo, but from what we know, from
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Speaker 1: what we can see, this is someone who has always
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Speaker 1: been front and center as far as getting her needs met. Uh.
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Speaker 1: It really has always been about some sort of personality
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Speaker 1: where she wants everyone. Yeah, go ahead, yes, because I
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Speaker 1: want an answer from Eric Grossar East her knees on
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Speaker 1: something you just said, Eric getting her needs Mete Matt,
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Speaker 1: No matter what, isn't it true? And I may have
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Speaker 1: this wrong. There's so many details to remember that she
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Speaker 1: is her dead husband's Amazon account I credit card to
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Speaker 1: order her new wedding dress. It was definitely on her
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Speaker 1: dead husband child Valow's Amazon account. She bought rings, dress,
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Speaker 1: All of that was searched on Amazon, and she actually
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Speaker 1: bought the rings and got him ship's guests where to
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Speaker 1: her new house and Rexberg just I just wanted you
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Speaker 1: to have that little fact, Doctor Guardier, please go ahead,
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Speaker 1: and he yes, yes, But it doesn't surprise me in
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Speaker 1: any way. Nancy, again, this is someone who has always
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Speaker 1: wanted to be the center of attention and it's always
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Speaker 1: been about her glory. It's not surprising to me that
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Speaker 1: neither her nor the present husband have been involved in
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Speaker 1: not answering any questions and really just making sure that
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Speaker 1: they keep everything to them selves, because again, it's about
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Speaker 1: their needs. Crime stories with Nancy Grace for those of
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Speaker 1: you just joining us, Cult Mom Laurie Valo has laid
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Speaker 1: down the law. She wants a new cell phone, a
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Speaker 1: private cell phone behind bars and she wants it now,
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Speaker 1: citing everything from cameras in the jailhouse to record it,
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Speaker 1: pay phone calls to a glass between her and her lawyer. Listen,
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Speaker 1: every inmate is under the same circumstance as you are.
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Speaker 1: Cult Mom, Laurie Valo, so suck it up. Take a
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Speaker 1: listen to our friend. Deny wimmer a KSLTV. The attorney
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Speaker 1: for Laurie Valo day Bellies asking a judge to allow
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Speaker 1: her to have a cell phone so she can talk
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Speaker 1: directly with her attorney. According to court documents, Mark Means
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Speaker 1: cited attorney I am privileged and the need for privacy
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Speaker 1: as the reason. Means alleges that he hasn't been able
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Speaker 1: to meet with Daville at the jail jail for several
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Speaker 1: months due to COVID and the privileged phone calls were
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Speaker 1: accidentally recorded or done in the presence of a deputy.
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Speaker 1: Day Belle is faced with charges related to the murders
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Speaker 1: of her two children, JJ Vallo and Tylie Ryan. Let
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Speaker 1: me understand something to you, Ashley Wilcot, judge, trial lawyer,
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Speaker 1: court TV anchor at Ashley Wilcot dot com. The reality
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Speaker 1: is anybody that makes one of these calls knows it.
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Speaker 1: All calls coming out of a jail, are going into
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Speaker 1: a payphone at a jail are recorded. But why because
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Speaker 1: inmates plot other crimes there you get this just just
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Speaker 1: like that, and none of those calls can be used
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Speaker 1: as evidence if they're between the inmate and the lawyer.
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Speaker 1: So I mean, you hear are recording the whole time,
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Speaker 1: every like three minutes, you hear this is a call
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Speaker 1: from a correctional institute. I mean, it's not a secret, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: I've been dying to jump in. This is the first
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Speaker 1: case in a long time where I'm flat I'm gonna say,
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Speaker 1: and I know I'm never bold enough to say it,
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Speaker 1: but Nancy, I disagree with you. I think asking for
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Speaker 1: the cell phone is brilliant on the lawyer's part. And
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Speaker 1: here's why. Here's why you're right. Everybody knows it's recorded.
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Speaker 1: Everybody knows that, and it is. But there's an argument
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Speaker 1: that if a client has a conversation with a lawyer
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Speaker 1: knowing somebody else is listing or involved in that conversation,
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Speaker 1: that they've waived the privilege because it's not just between
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Speaker 1: the lawyer and the client, but rather between other individuals,
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Speaker 1: And right, there at is. Let's go through that. Ye
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Speaker 1: do you know? I mean, your theory is right and
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Speaker 1: the ether, but can you name one case ever and
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Speaker 1: the history of our American jurisprudence or a phone call
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Speaker 1: between an inmate and their lawyer was used at trial? No,
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Speaker 1: but it could be. I think there's an argument. Did
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Speaker 1: she say no because she said I did? Ever? Not
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Speaker 1: that I know of, but I think it could be.
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Speaker 1: And that's the point. This lawyer is protecting the record
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Speaker 1: to say these should not be recorded. It is between
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Speaker 1: the two of us. It is protected communication. There's no
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Speaker 1: excuse for having a video recording and audio recording. And
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Speaker 1: he is not saying give us the phone. He saying, Judge,
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Speaker 1: I want an order saying cut off the video audio
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Speaker 1: recordings of the attorney client privilege and if that's not
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Speaker 1: pop or doable, then give her a cell phone. I
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Speaker 1: think he is protecting the record and he is being
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Speaker 1: a good lawyer by making this argument to you. Eric Grosart,
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Speaker 1: the reporter with East Idahoannes dot Com, been on the
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Speaker 1: story from the beginning. There's a reason that inmates don't
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Speaker 1: have cell phones. There's a very good reason why they
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Speaker 1: are peddled like contraband like drugs and alcohol and razors
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Speaker 1: and other weapons behind bars. Why don't inmates have cell phones?
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Speaker 1: And as a matter of fact, why don't they just
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Speaker 1: give you a cell phone when you go into the
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Speaker 1: jail for murdering your children? Why don't Why don't all
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Speaker 1: the inmates have cell phones? Eric, you know, let's step
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Speaker 1: back several months ago, Laurie was calling other people while
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Speaker 1: she was in jail. I mean, before these conspiracy destruction
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Speaker 1: of evidence charges came about. She actually was on a phone.
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Speaker 1: Investigators were searching the backyard with her husband, Chad. They're watching,
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Speaker 1: so we know that there's these conversations going out between
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Speaker 1: Marie and other people, And that actually came up during
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Speaker 1: the preliminary hearing on this case was that phone call
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Speaker 1: with Chad and Mori on those days. So, I mean,
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Speaker 1: investigators do monitor these calls. But I think what we've
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Speaker 1: got to look at too, is that these jails use
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Speaker 1: a system called tell me around here in eastern Idaho.
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Speaker 1: So when an attorney needs to call in, he puts
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Speaker 1: in his number, and it's an approved number and they
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Speaker 1: know it's an attorney, so it doesn't want it to
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Speaker 1: be recorded and shared with all the investigators. So there
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Speaker 1: is a way that the attorneys can call in and
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Speaker 1: keep their conversations privileged. But it's definitely one of those
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Speaker 1: they don't just give you a someone because they want
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Speaker 1: to monitor what's going on. I mean, there's chances that
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Speaker 1: someone could plan something in jail, or people talk about
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Speaker 1: with people on the outside of hey cover this up,
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Speaker 1: or there's lots of reasons. But cell phones and jails
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Speaker 1: are just a big no. Note from when I talked
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Speaker 1: with other jails in the area for those of you
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Speaker 1: just joining us, called mom, Laurie Valo has demanded a
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Speaker 1: private cell phone behind bars. To you, Joseph Scott Morgan,
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Speaker 1: you and I have been in way too many jails
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Speaker 1: to even remember. Hopefully you weren't there for private reasons.
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Speaker 1: But long story short, why can't inmates have cell phones?
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, you're you're introducing a tool, and it
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Speaker 1: is a tool into an environment where things can be planned,
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Speaker 1: things can be schemed. And not only that, you're introducing
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Speaker 1: an item into a jail, and this is in very
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Speaker 1: broad strokes that can cause problems in the jail. You know,
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Speaker 1: you mentioned drugs just a moment ago, or weapons or
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Speaker 1: that sort of thing. How many cases have we covered
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Speaker 1: where cell communication has actually become weaponized? And listen, she
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Speaker 1: might not be in this position, Uh if her kids
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Speaker 1: weren't found slaughter. Hold on, hold that thought. Why is
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Speaker 1: she behind jail? Just behind bars? Anyway? Why is she
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Speaker 1: without a cell phone to start with? Do you know why?
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Speaker 1: I do know why? Well, let's just point out without
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Speaker 1: a cell phone? I know, but she because she's children
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Speaker 1: in connection with the deaths of her children. Yeah, but
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Speaker 1: she's charged. She hadn't been convicted. She's charged. Okay, again,
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Speaker 1: be charged with murder. Your legal theories work out in
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Speaker 1: the ether, but in reality, you know what, let's follow
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Speaker 1: up what you just said to you, straight out to you,
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Speaker 1: Eric Grace Haarth east iahoknees dot com. She's got a point,
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Speaker 1: as she will, God has a point. Where in the
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Speaker 1: hay are the murder charges or the conspiracy to commit
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Speaker 1: murder charges? Why are cops prosecute her sitting on their thumbs?
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Speaker 1: What more do they want? Youvelt? That's really a good question.
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Speaker 1: I mean, what we do know is back in October, right,
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Speaker 1: that recorded conversation we talked about last week on the show,
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Speaker 1: was that conversation between Laurie or not Laurie, but Rob
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Speaker 1: would be a prosecuting attorney and Marie's sister summer Shiplet
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Speaker 1: and he said, yeah, we're going to be filing conspiracy
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Speaker 1: to commit murder charges. That was what three or four
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Speaker 1: months ago, and we still don't have them, so I
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Speaker 1: can't hold my breath for whatever. Grossarts, just pass that
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Speaker 1: on to the prosecutors and to you, doctor Jeff Gardier.
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Speaker 1: While everyone is twiddling their thumbs waiting for answers, what
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Speaker 1: do you make of the fact that have you ever
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Speaker 1: seen Cops? The show Cops remember, of course, all right,
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Speaker 1: and they play bad Boy, Bad Boy, what You're gonna do?
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Speaker 1: And there'll be a scene of a guy sitting on
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Speaker 1: his easy chair and the cops start watching TV and
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Speaker 1: the cops to start running through his den, and he
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Speaker 1: doesn't seem the least bit phased. Okay, here's my point, Jeff.
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Speaker 1: Do you remember when Hubby number five, Chad day Bell
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Speaker 1: his yard was being dug up by the cops. That
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Speaker 1: was right before he jumped in his car and tried
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Speaker 1: to run away. And he's on the phone with Laurie
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Speaker 1: Valo and she's saying, well, what are they doing? Right? Now,
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Speaker 1: and he goes, well, you know, they're digging, and she's like, well,
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Speaker 1: have they found anything? You know, if my husband called
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Speaker 1: me and said there are some cops digging in the backyard,
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Speaker 1: I'd say, what, why are cops digging in the backyard.
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Speaker 1: I'm coming home. But that's not what they said. They said,
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Speaker 1: she said, have you found Did they find anything? And
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Speaker 1: of course they did. They failed bodies. So that was
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Speaker 1: all on cell phones. You want me to give her
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Speaker 1: another cell phone for her evil due? Well, And that's
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Speaker 1: the point, isn't it. This lack of affect, the lack
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Speaker 1: of concern over the death of these children, much more
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Speaker 1: concerned about her own individual needs and her own comfort
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Speaker 1: versus fretting and wondering, well, you know, I didn't do this,
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Speaker 1: but who did do it? And that does not seem
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Speaker 1: to be her concern. Climb Stories with Nancy Grace. Wait mate,
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Speaker 1: what an all star panel? Ashley Wilcott, who I'm Torturing?
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Speaker 1: Doctor Jeff Gardier, Professor behavioral Medicine at Turout, Death investigator
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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan and special guests from East Idahoanes dot com,
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Speaker 1: Eric Grossharth guys. In the last hours we learn also
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Speaker 1: of division in the ranks. Now apparently there is in
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Speaker 1: fighting called mom Laurie Valo's lawyer, why did you the judge, Hey,
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Speaker 1: you gave him some evidence he didn't give us. Explain,
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Speaker 1: Eric grac Arth, what is the beginning in the crack
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Speaker 1: of their facade? You know, I don't know exactly where
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Speaker 1: You're the one that to well, well, well we'll step
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Speaker 1: back here. So, yes, there is some sort of right now, Hey,
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Speaker 1: you gave Chad's attorney this documents, these videos. First basis,
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Speaker 1: what is he going to invite her for dinner after
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Speaker 1: the guilty verdict? Well, well, here's how it works. He's
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Speaker 1: staying this. He sent these documents into the court. It's
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Speaker 1: it's a motion to compel that says, hey, the attorney
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Speaker 1: needs to give me these documents because he's giving them
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Speaker 1: the prior. I don't know exactly what all of them are.
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Speaker 1: But there is these documents, and there is a hearing
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Speaker 1: to discuss this on the seventeenth, February seventeenth, and he's
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Speaker 1: going to argue this, says, hey, why aren't you giving
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Speaker 1: me everything? You're giving stuff to Chad's attorney but not me,
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Speaker 1: And so I don't know where that's going to go,
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Speaker 1: but we'll find that out once this hearing happened. I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna go to actual Yeah, Champion Joe Scott. Hey, listen,
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Speaker 1: I gotta tell you every everything that happens in this
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Speaker 1: case is haunted by the specter in my opinion, of
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Speaker 1: Tammy Day Bell, this woman. We still don't know what
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Speaker 1: caused her death. We know that there was cell phone communication,
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Speaker 1: this kind of faux communication that occurred with Chad. Remember
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Speaker 1: those text messages he sent to let her know what
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Speaker 1: he was doing and all of this kind of nonsense,
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Speaker 1: And this haunts them. I mean, you're talking about division
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Speaker 1: and driving a wedge and this sort of thing. I
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Speaker 1: can tell you, at least this is my thought as
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Speaker 1: a former investigator. This is making them sweat because they
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Speaker 1: don't know. They don't know what the prosecution knows at
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Speaker 1: this moment in time about Tammy Dave Bell because it
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Speaker 1: hasn't been released. They don't know when the hammer is
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Speaker 1: going to drop on her. So, yeah, we've got these
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Speaker 1: two precious children that are deceased, but they're in the background,
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Speaker 1: haunting every move, every action. Is that specter of Tammy
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Speaker 1: Day Belt. They don't know where this information is going
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Speaker 1: to come from, when it's going to land in their lap,
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Speaker 1: when they're gonna have to start fighting on that front.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm sure there's some very tense moments surrounding
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Speaker 1: this whole thing, and there is a trail of breadcrumbs
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Speaker 1: that leads through all of this, this deceit that goes on.
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Speaker 1: There's this whole opera that we're witnessing in real time.
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Speaker 1: Eric Grossory was Tammy day Bell cremated. I know, no,
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Speaker 1: that's right, because your body is telling the medical that's right.
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Speaker 1: Thank you. Ashley Wilcot, judge and trial lawyer, anchor Court TV.
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Speaker 1: I want to circle back to you when Eric Grossar
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Speaker 1: from East Side jonies dot Com was reporting that Valoe
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Speaker 1: cult mom's team is whining that her hs been Chad
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Speaker 1: day Belle deccult leader. His lawyer has gotten documents that
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Speaker 1: her team hasn't gotten or evidence. You know, I don't
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Speaker 1: think people get it unless you've had to do it.
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Speaker 1: I remember so many nights at the Fulton County District
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Speaker 1: Attorney's office when I would be the only one left
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Speaker 1: in there on a Friday night. Import it because there
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Speaker 1: was a ten day discovery rule in the state of Georgia.
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Speaker 1: If I had any documents or evidence left, scientific reports, statements, anything,
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Speaker 1: it had to be postmarked ten days before trial. I
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Speaker 1: would be in there fighting at eight o'clock at night,
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Speaker 1: fighting with the xerox machine to make sure I had
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Speaker 1: gotten everything xeroxed filed in the clerk's office with a
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Speaker 1: stated stamp on it and time, then getting in my
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Speaker 1: car and flying to whatever FedEx was still open at
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Speaker 1: that time to make sure the defense got it the
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Speaker 1: next morning. That's the way discovery is. I would have
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Speaker 1: piles and sometimes twenty piles of documents on the floor
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Speaker 1: where I could see them to collate and get together
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Speaker 1: what each lawyer was supposed to have, and I had
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Speaker 1: to get it out that night. Under the statute, there
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Speaker 1: are time limits. We don't even have a trial date
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Speaker 1: set here, a real one, so the whining is irrelevant.
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Speaker 1: It's not time for them to have all the evidence yet. Right.
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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, it's a little premature, so you're
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Speaker 1: bringing back memories. I've done those things to get it
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Speaker 1: out on time for the defense. But listen, Nancy, here's
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Speaker 1: the thing. The other piece of this is it does
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Speaker 1: you know there's specific rules around discovery that is practicing lawyers,
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Speaker 1: we know we have to adhere to and I'm certain
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Speaker 1: the prosecution plans to do. That doesn't mean that necessarily
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Speaker 1: every single thing Chad gets she gets, right, it's evidence
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Speaker 1: that's discoverable for the charges against her that she's facing
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Speaker 1: for her involvement, and that evidence may not be the same.
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Speaker 1: So she may not, under the rules of discovery, be
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Speaker 1: entitled to every single thing that his attorneys are getting.
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Speaker 1: And you're right, I don't think it's timely, it's not
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Speaker 1: due quote unquote yet, So I don't think there's a
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Speaker 1: valid argument yet to say that doctor Jeff Gardier with
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Speaker 1: US Board certified Clinical Psychologist, Professor Behavioral Medicine at TURO,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Jeff, is this the beginning of a crack? Joine
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Speaker 1: cult mom Laurie Valo and her hubby Model number five
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Speaker 1: called leader Chad day Bell, I certainly believe so. They
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Speaker 1: from the very beginning are refused to cooperate, would not
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Speaker 1: give any information. Certainly, we're a unified team and we
26:03
Speaker 1: are certainly seeing that this is the beginning beginning of
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Speaker 1: a crack, and hopefully, for the sake of the children
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Speaker 1: who are gone, this will crack it wide open and
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Speaker 1: we will start getting somewhere with this mystery. Speaking of
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Speaker 1: a crack. It's not only just about their relationship as
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Speaker 1: it is, but it's about trial strategy. Terry Grossart Report,
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Speaker 1: East idahoans dot Com. Aren't the two of them as
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Speaker 1: of right now schedule to be tried together? Yeah, so
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Speaker 1: two of them. They're both together. So they were both
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Speaker 1: filed to separate cases, but they had a hearing recently
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Speaker 1: where they combined the two together. So they're going to
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Speaker 1: have a trial together. It's scheduled for July of this year,
26:48
Speaker 1: but that could obviously be pushed back with COVID and everything,
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Speaker 1: but that's where they stand. They will sit together in
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Speaker 1: a courtroom while the jury listens to the evidence on
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Speaker 1: the case. And so they are going to be tried
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Speaker 1: together on this case. Got a question for you, actually, Willcott,
27:08
Speaker 1: as a prosecutor, I loved it when all the defendants
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Speaker 1: would be tried together because you look over there and
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Speaker 1: when evidence comes in the jurial cavern, they're all looking
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Speaker 1: at each other and they're angry that this one made
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Speaker 1: a statement, and that one was caught with the bloody clothes,
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Speaker 1: and this one had the credit card receipt and they're
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Speaker 1: all looking at each other like they're angry at this
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Speaker 1: one because they're on trial. I mean, it's I call
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Speaker 1: the melted cheese theory, evidence of one melts down on
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Speaker 1: the other. And there's not going to be a severance
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Speaker 1: unless it's a death penalty case, which is of right
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Speaker 1: now it's not, or there are conflicting or interlinked confessions.
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Speaker 1: And what I mean by that is, if Laurie day
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Speaker 1: Bell said, which she didn't, I had nothing to do
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Speaker 1: with it, Chad Daybill did it. Well, you either have
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Speaker 1: to redact the name day Bell out of the statement
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Speaker 1: and bring it in because we don't know Chad Daybill
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Speaker 1: will take the stance, so we can't be cross examined.
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Speaker 1: Under the constitution, she would have a right to cross
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Speaker 1: examine anyone that made a claim against her and vice versa.
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Speaker 1: So as long as it's not a death penalty and
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Speaker 1: there are no interlinked statements, they're going to be tried together. Yeah.
28:33
Speaker 1: I think they're going to be tried together too, and
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Speaker 1: that changes the discovery issue. Right when they're tried together,
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Speaker 1: they are both entitled to the same information. Now, if
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Speaker 1: I'm defense, I am going to though argue that it
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Speaker 1: needs to be separated because of the prejudicial aspect of it, right,
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Speaker 1: and that my client necessarily is prejudiced by the fact
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Speaker 1: they're being tried together with the other cohort in this crime.
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Speaker 1: And I think we may yet see this is my prediction,
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Speaker 1: just my opinion, that we may yet see one of
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Speaker 1: them throw the other one right under the bus and
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Speaker 1: say I didn't do it, he did it, or I
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Speaker 1: didn't do it, she did. It hadn't happened yet, but
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Speaker 1: I think it may be coming. In the meantime, the
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Speaker 1: prosecution does want this case to be tried together, and
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Speaker 1: at this moment in time, that's what we expect. I
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Speaker 1: just think it may change crime stories with Nancy Grace
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Speaker 1: for those of you just joining us, outrageous demands by
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Speaker 1: cult mom Laurie Valor, what's next a weekly massage, facial
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Speaker 1: and pedicure. Right now, she's actually demanding to the judge
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Speaker 1: she gets her own private cell phone behind ours. But
29:47
Speaker 1: how in the hay did this whole thing start? Take
29:51
Speaker 1: a listen to Laurie Value herself. Someone wise speaking to
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Speaker 1: me and said, you need to go to the tumbl
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Speaker 1: So I went and met my bishop and I was like,
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Speaker 1: I'm either going to turn my life to the tumble
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Speaker 1: or I'm going to commit murder. Joseph died in April
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Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, several months before this recording took place. At
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Speaker 1: the time, it was ruled an apparent heart attack, but
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Speaker 1: now Phoenix police say they're going to review the case.
30:18
Speaker 1: Joseph's sister release a statement to Arizona's family, saying, in part,
30:22
Speaker 1: it may have been reasonable to perform a cursory autopsy
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Speaker 1: and rule the cause of death as natural. At the time,
30:29
Speaker 1: it went on to say, when someone shows you who
30:31
Speaker 1: they are, believe them. You were just hearing our friends
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Speaker 1: at eat Idaho neews dot com. How it all started
30:39
Speaker 1: is when Laurie Valo falls under the spell of Chad
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Speaker 1: day Bell. As a result, her husband or then current
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Speaker 1: husband Valo is killed. In addition to her previous husband
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Speaker 1: turns up dead, his wife dies in her sleep, her
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Speaker 1: brother Alex ends up dead under mysterious circumstances, and two
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Speaker 1: of her children all dead. All of these players connected
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Speaker 1: to one person. Laurie Valoe straight back out to Eric Grossarth,
31:17
Speaker 1: reporter with East Idaho News dot com, what more can
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Speaker 1: you tell us are the two of them, cult mom,
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Speaker 1: Laurie Valo and Chad day Bill is still canoodling by phone,
31:28
Speaker 1: you know, the two of them. They can't talk to
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Speaker 1: each other. Well, once you're in jail like this, an inmate,
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Speaker 1: let's stay here in the jail where I am in
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Speaker 1: Idaho Falls, wants to call an inmate in Rexburg where
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Speaker 1: Laurie is. You can't do that. You can't talk to
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Speaker 1: other inmates from jail to jail, so their communication is
31:47
Speaker 1: cut off. I mean, they could write a letter to
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Speaker 1: a family member who passes on that information to somebody,
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Speaker 1: but but direct talks since June, when Chad was arrested.
31:58
Speaker 1: They're done. Laura. Of course, it's been in jail since
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Speaker 1: February and she was able to talk on the phone
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Speaker 1: with Chad, but since June, no communication directly between the two.
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Speaker 1: You know, I want to go back out to our
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Speaker 1: panel to you, doctor Jeff Gardier, clinical psychologist. Did you
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Speaker 1: hear value state I'm going to commit murder? I did
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Speaker 1: not hear that that was in the last sound, yes, Jeff,
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Speaker 1: in the last sound, that she didn't join that cult,
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Speaker 1: that she would commit murder, And so that speaks volumes
32:35
Speaker 1: to the simple fact that this is a person who
32:39
Speaker 1: had very bad intent, very bad issues happening in her life.
32:44
Speaker 1: And no, Nancy, I'm not saying that she was mentally
32:48
Speaker 1: unstable or that she was insane, but this was someone
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Speaker 1: who was brewing, brewing with a lot of anger, a
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Speaker 1: lot of hate in her life. And certainly I think
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Speaker 1: this does tell us that there is something very serious
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Speaker 1: going on with regard to any connection with her children.
33:08
Speaker 1: But Jeff, have you ever heard the phrase don't speak
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Speaker 1: ill of the dad? Absolutely? Okay, I want you to
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Speaker 1: take a listen to our cut number eight from our
33:15
Speaker 1: friends at k SLTV. Joseph Ryan died of an apparent
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Speaker 1: heart attack without anyone knowing. Annie Cushing, his sister, says
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Speaker 1: she doesn't want the same fate for his daughter, seventeen
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Speaker 1: year old Kyley Ryan. They were just madly in love.
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Speaker 1: I had never seen Joe, and he recalls her brother
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Speaker 1: Joe Ryan's marriage to Laurie Vallo as a joyful start
33:39
Speaker 1: for the couple. My brother had never been married and
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Speaker 1: he had never had a child, so he was over
33:44
Speaker 1: the man. However, Rannie says a relationship soured. The couple
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Speaker 1: divorced when Tyley was eighteen months old. You know, kind
33:53
Speaker 1: of felt like you know, but a sister. And he
33:56
Speaker 1: says she felt close to Laurie until Joe's death in
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Speaker 1: twenty eighteen when she flew to Arizona to be with Tayley.
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Speaker 1: Because there was also a lot of atension between Thile
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Speaker 1: and Lorie, and he says Lorie discouraged Tyleie from speaking
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Speaker 1: about her dad. Would actually say the world is a
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Speaker 1: better place with all Joe, Ryan, I mean that says
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Speaker 1: nothing to you, doctor Jeff the guy dies or her
34:22
Speaker 1: ex husband dies, and she says, well, we're all better
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Speaker 1: off without him, the world's a better place, which which
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Speaker 1: is also now brings us back to supposedly he died
34:30
Speaker 1: of a heart attack, but is that now a suspicious issue?
34:34
Speaker 1: And of course she's speaking badly about him and talks
34:38
Speaker 1: of parental alienation with her own children towards their father.
34:43
Speaker 1: This is not good. This again goes back to the
34:46
Speaker 1: whole issue of someone who's self centered, perhaps a personality disorder,
34:51
Speaker 1: but it's all about her emotions, all about what she wants. Narcissism.
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Speaker 1: And I noticed speaking narcissism to you just got Morgan
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Speaker 1: death investigator. You've been in the courtrooms for many, many
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Speaker 1: homicide cases. Speaking of narcissism, when coltmum Laurie Valley made
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Speaker 1: her first appearance, one of her first appearances in court,
35:13
Speaker 1: she made sure that somehow before she went in that courtroom.
35:16
Speaker 1: Reminds me a little bit of Jodi Arius, who we
35:19
Speaker 1: saw primping and pattering herself and adjusting her hair and makeup.
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Speaker 1: And this is while she's behind bars, but she's giving
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Speaker 1: an interview about the murder of her lover, Travis Alexander.
35:32
Speaker 1: When Colmum Laurie Valley walked into the courtroom, she had
35:35
Speaker 1: just had her nails done, her toe nails and fingernails
35:39
Speaker 1: because she was wearing flipflops. She had her hair done
35:44
Speaker 1: and mermaid curls, and somehow had gotten a hold of
35:50
Speaker 1: eyeshadow and makeup and lip gloss behind bars. Speak. I mean,
35:56
Speaker 1: you're in court about the deaths, the murders of your
35:59
Speaker 1: two children, and you're worried about making some homemade lipstick
36:05
Speaker 1: behind bars. Yeah, And you know that goes like doctor
36:10
Speaker 1: Jeff was saying as well, this idea of narcissism relative
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Speaker 1: to this, it shows you apparently at least you know
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Speaker 1: in viewing this how little value she places on life
36:23
Speaker 1: other than specifically her life, her outward appearance and this
36:27
Speaker 1: sort of thing. And you know, dealing with narcissistic types
36:32
Speaker 1: and particularly sociopaths in killings, for me, at least, you
36:38
Speaker 1: see that, you know, they have the ability to dehumanize
36:42
Speaker 1: the victims many times and just absolutely do the most
36:46
Speaker 1: brutal things that most people can't even begin to comprehend.
36:51
Speaker 1: I couldn't comprehend them when I would be standing even
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Speaker 1: over the dead bodies. And so that gives you this
36:56
Speaker 1: kind of idea of diminishment that might be in dwelling
36:59
Speaker 1: here and you know, and and still not willing to,
37:04
Speaker 1: you know, put forth the effort to help to help
37:07
Speaker 1: the investigators. That's that's what's striking to me about this
37:11
Speaker 1: case is that we've been following for months and months
37:13
Speaker 1: and months, and it's like the kids get left in
37:16
Speaker 1: the rear view mirror here, you know, all along and
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Speaker 1: it's all about her, it's all about chat. Eric gros
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Speaker 1: artha reporter with The East Idahoo News dot com. I
37:29
Speaker 1: know you say that there was a trial date. I
37:32
Speaker 1: doubt that's going to happen. When do you really expect
37:36
Speaker 1: the current case to go to trial or are you
37:39
Speaker 1: expecting a superseding indictment that will include murder or the
37:44
Speaker 1: conspiracy to commit murder? And what do you think the
37:47
Speaker 1: state is waiting on. Do they have to have everything
37:51
Speaker 1: nailed down with Tammy Daville's case before these two were
37:54
Speaker 1: tried for the murders of JJ entirely? You know, this
37:58
Speaker 1: is one of those cases that is so complex because
38:01
Speaker 1: there's so much at play. I mean, they've had to
38:04
Speaker 1: investigate the death of Alex Cox and Joseph Ryan, which
38:07
Speaker 1: those two are closed out now they are still finishing
38:11
Speaker 1: Charles Valo, Tammy day Bell, and then the two children
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Speaker 1: JJ Entily. So there's four deaths that they're still looking
38:20
Speaker 1: at on these related to Lori and Chad. I mean,
38:25
Speaker 1: these are things that they are still working at. And
38:28
Speaker 1: yes there is the trial scheduled for July, but everything
38:31
Speaker 1: keeps changing, just with the current pandemic around the world,
38:35
Speaker 1: everything gets pushed back trild dates. I've seen them changed
38:40
Speaker 1: over and over again. And so I'm not a scientist.
38:43
Speaker 1: I don't have the magic answer of when courts will
38:46
Speaker 1: open up again. So I can't give you a good
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Speaker 1: answer of when that jury trial will happen, but it
38:53
Speaker 1: is set for July. That's what we are ready for.
38:57
Speaker 1: But again, it could change. I don't have that answer
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Speaker 1: for you. Sorry, Nancy. Wait wait as just as unfalls,
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off, goodbye friend,