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- 0:06Speaker 1: When you put your child to sleep at night, whether
- 0:08Speaker 1: they're six months old, a year old, or thirteen years
- 0:13Speaker 1: old like my twins, you think everything is safe and sound.
- 0:18Speaker 1: That is not always the case. Today breaking news in
- 0:23Speaker 1: the case of a four year old taught boy we
- 0:26Speaker 1: now know taken from his crib. You're sleeping there next
- 0:31Speaker 1: to his little twin brother and murdered. I'm getting ready
- 0:43Speaker 1: to turn away from this street, get ready to turn
- 0:46Speaker 1: and go down the next street, and I see something
- 0:48Speaker 1: landing in the road and my initial gets wid it
- 0:50Speaker 1: CONTI the closer I get to it, I can tell
- 0:53Speaker 1: it's a human because I see a hand and then
- 0:55Speaker 1: I see legs. Very traumatizing. I have three kids. The
- 0:59Speaker 1: sage covered in blood in the middle of the street.
- 1:04Speaker 1: It's just it's truly traumatize him. You were hearing Miss
- 1:08Speaker 1: Antony Square speaking to CBS seventeen about finding a beautiful little, redheaded,
- 1:17Speaker 1: hazel eyed boy. He looks a lot to me like
- 1:21Speaker 1: Opie did in Andy Mayberry. At first thinking the body
- 1:27Speaker 1: in the street was that of a dog that was
- 1:29Speaker 1: maybe hit by a car, but upon closer inspection, she
- 1:33Speaker 1: finds this little boy, a four year old Todd dead
- 1:39Speaker 1: in the street. I nan see Grace, this is crime Stories.
- 1:44Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation.
- 1:46Speaker 1: In Serious X one eleven. Very often I would tell
- 1:50Speaker 1: juries and some of the most unthinkable cases. How easy
- 1:55Speaker 1: it is to turn away from the evidence, to turn
- 2:01Speaker 1: away and put on blinders to what's happening around us.
- 2:05Speaker 1: But that won't get anywhere today. The case a four
- 2:13Speaker 1: year old Cash with me an all star panel to
- 2:16Speaker 1: try and sift through clues left behind with me Special guests.
- 2:23Speaker 1: Mark Class, founder of Class Kids Foundation at class Kids
- 2:27Speaker 1: dot Org. Mark has crusaded for justice ever since his
- 2:34Speaker 1: little girl, Polly was taken out of her home. Polly
- 2:38Speaker 1: was murdered. Now, for a lot of people, they would
- 2:42Speaker 1: just curl up into the fetal position and stay hidden
- 2:46Speaker 1: under their bed for the rest of their lives. But
- 2:48Speaker 1: not Mark Class, and he is with us now. Melissa Hotmeyer,
- 2:52Speaker 1: chief of the Special Victims and Family Violence Unit, Prince
- 2:56Speaker 1: George County, co founder Right Response Consulting. She is the
- 3:00Speaker 1: star of the No Gray Zone podcast and you can
- 3:03Speaker 1: find her at Right Response Consulting dot com. Doctor Teresa Gill,
- 3:09Speaker 1: Professors psychology, psychotherapist, author of Women Sexually Abused as Children mothering, resilience,
- 3:15Speaker 1: protecting the next generation, and you can find her at
- 3:18Speaker 1: Teresa guilphd dot com. Doctor Kendall Crowns, Deputy Chief Medical
- 3:25Speaker 1: Examiner for Travis County, Texas. That's Austin, a senior lecturer
- 3:30Speaker 1: at the University of Texas in of course, forensic science.
- 3:34Speaker 1: Justin Boardman, former Special Victims Unit detective, West Valley City,
- 3:38Speaker 1: author of I Was Wrong, an investigator's battlecry for change
- 3:43Speaker 1: within the Special Victims Unit, and you can find him
- 3:46Speaker 1: at Justin Boardman dot com. But first to climb online
- 3:49Speaker 1: dot com investigative reporter Alexis Terreschuk. Alexis, you were just
- 3:54Speaker 1: hearing Antwiny Square at Miss Square speaking a finding a
- 3:59Speaker 1: child's body, a four year old boy. He looks just
- 4:04Speaker 1: like Opie in India, Mayberry. This is more of what
- 4:09Speaker 1: she has to say. Listen, Alexis. The closer I get
- 4:13Speaker 1: to it, I can tell it's a human because I
- 4:14Speaker 1: see a hand and then I see legs, and I
- 4:17Speaker 1: just smried. I said, moment, this is a child. Before
- 4:20Speaker 1: concerned neighbors and police cars filled the street, there was
- 4:24Speaker 1: just an unnamed child and a neighbor will call Nisy.
- 4:27Speaker 1: She called nine one one. I told the paramedics that
- 4:30Speaker 1: I see ants at the bottom of his feet, so
- 4:33Speaker 1: that was my indication that he had already passed and
- 4:36Speaker 1: waited in the street to make sure no cars ran
- 4:38Speaker 1: over him. You were hearing Antoinette Square speaking to Robbie
- 4:44Speaker 1: Owens at CBS eleven. I'm just trying to imagine that
- 4:50Speaker 1: moment to you, Alexis Terrez Chuck. She thinks a dog
- 4:56Speaker 1: or an animal has been hit on the side of
- 4:59Speaker 1: the road and goes to investigate and finds out it
- 5:03Speaker 1: is a four year old little boy. And you know
- 5:08Speaker 1: what's interesting, Alexis, I've told you this story before, and
- 5:12Speaker 1: my very first carjack murder case that I ever tried.
- 5:17Speaker 1: A young man had I think he was like eighteen seventeen,
- 5:21Speaker 1: had gone out to his car he lived with his
- 5:24Speaker 1: family to either get something out of his car or
- 5:28Speaker 1: move the car, and a guy rode by a carjack murder.
- 5:33Speaker 1: That was horrible enough, Alexis, but there was something about this.
- 5:38Speaker 1: A neighbor saw him lying by the car, bleeding and
- 5:43Speaker 1: ran out. He was already dead, and the neighbor put
- 5:47Speaker 1: a pillow under his head, and that poignant gesture nearly
- 5:57Speaker 1: caused me to stop in my opening state. Went to
- 6:00Speaker 1: the jury because it was so heartbreaking. In this case,
- 6:04Speaker 1: you have a four year old little boy dead in
- 6:07Speaker 1: the road, left there, and the neighbor comes up and
- 6:12Speaker 1: sees on the little boy's bare feet aunts crawling around.
- 6:18Speaker 1: When I heard that, I don't know what it is
- 6:21Speaker 1: about that fact that just was like a knife in
- 6:25Speaker 1: my heart. What do we know about the discovery of
- 6:30Speaker 1: four year old cash? So she miss Brown went for
- 6:34Speaker 1: a jog. She left her house at six forty in
- 6:36Speaker 1: the morning. She says, you know, she set her foot
- 6:39Speaker 1: tracker and she took off her jog. Five minutes later
- 6:43Speaker 1: she was walking. She did, so she gets scared. She
- 6:47Speaker 1: is a mother herself. But you know what she does,
- 6:49Speaker 1: She calls her own mom. At six forty five in
- 6:51Speaker 1: the morning, she called her mom and she says, Mom,
- 6:52Speaker 1: I see something in the road that's scaring me. And
- 6:56Speaker 1: she but she knew and thinks that she knew this wasn't,
- 6:58Speaker 1: you know, an animal that had been run over by
- 7:01Speaker 1: a car. Even though she thought that at first, it
- 7:04Speaker 1: was something bad enough that she had to call her mom.
- 7:06Speaker 1: And she went over and she saw a little boy.
- 7:08Speaker 1: She saw a little hand, tiny little child's hand, and
- 7:11Speaker 1: she is a mother herself, and she just thought, oh
- 7:13Speaker 1: my gosh, I cannot leave this child. I have to
- 7:16Speaker 1: protect him. Some people might run away, terrified, run home, terrified.
- 7:20Speaker 1: She stood right there to protect this child, to make
- 7:23Speaker 1: sure nothing else happened. She knew in her heart that
- 7:27Speaker 1: she did not think he was alive. She said, I
- 7:29Speaker 1: thought he had passed. Her mom's called nine one one.
- 7:33Speaker 1: She calls nine one one. The operator says, can you
- 7:37Speaker 1: please check and see if this child is still alive,
- 7:39Speaker 1: because if he is, if they aren't, I don't even
- 7:42Speaker 1: think they knew it was a boy or a girl yet.
- 7:44Speaker 1: And they said, you can help keep them alive. And
- 7:46Speaker 1: so she actually was touching this little boy trying to
- 7:50Speaker 1: find out if he was alive, and because they wanted
- 7:52Speaker 1: her to do CPR to make sure that he could
- 7:55Speaker 1: stay alive until the paramedics got there. Guys, the story
- 8:00Speaker 1: of a four year old little boy found in the
- 8:03Speaker 1: road first thing, early early in the morning, which tells
- 8:07Speaker 1: me he may have been there all night. Who knows.
- 8:11Speaker 1: Take a listen to more of what Miss Anthony Square
- 8:13Speaker 1: tells our friends at CBS eleven. He didn't have a
- 8:17Speaker 1: shirt own he didn't have any shoes on. Did a
- 8:20Speaker 1: dog get him? Did somebody running over him? I'm just like,
- 8:22Speaker 1: why is a kid out at six forty in the morning.
- 8:25Speaker 1: So in my mind, I'm thinking maybe he got out
- 8:27Speaker 1: the house somehow and maybe a dog got to him.
- 8:30Speaker 1: I don't know whatever happened. It's just it's sad, and
- 8:33Speaker 1: she says she will never be the same. Most definitely,
- 8:36Speaker 1: it's that image that I saw. I just I can't
- 8:40Speaker 1: erase it. To see a child COVID in blood in
- 8:44Speaker 1: the middle of the street. It's just it's truly traumatizing
- 8:56Speaker 1: crime stories. With Nancy Grace those of you just joining us,
- 9:01Speaker 1: we are talking about a four year old little boy,
- 9:04Speaker 1: Cash found in an early morning by a jogger, not
- 9:11Speaker 1: wearing any shoes, not wearing any shirt, dead in the street.
- 9:17Speaker 1: Take a listen to Melini Vassau WFAA, the precious four
- 9:22Speaker 1: year old boy who was found dead on Saturday morning
- 9:25Speaker 1: on Saddle Ridge Drive in the Mountain Creek area. His
- 9:28Speaker 1: mom calls him Cash Journan. There is now a growing
- 9:32Speaker 1: memorial where Journan's body was found on the street, and
- 9:36Speaker 1: all throughout the weekend police have been canvassing the area
- 9:39Speaker 1: looking for evidence and the motive. They were back in
- 9:42Speaker 1: the alley looking through the trash containers to see if
- 9:45Speaker 1: their findings type of evidence. They went down the street
- 9:49Speaker 1: here and they spend a good time down there. Straight
- 9:53Speaker 1: out to our friend, doctor Kendall, Crown's Deputy Chief Medical Examer,
- 9:57Speaker 1: Travis County. That's Austin, doctor Kendall. We now learn that
- 10:02Speaker 1: this little boy was dead from what we know to
- 10:06Speaker 1: be a sharp instrument. What can you tell us about
- 10:11Speaker 1: what we know so far regarding cause of death? Cause
- 10:13Speaker 1: of death would probably be if it's from a sharp instrument,
- 10:17Speaker 1: more than likely from a knife. It's the usual, most
- 10:21Speaker 1: common thing that causes sharp instrument injuries. So the child
- 10:26Speaker 1: probably died from stab wounds or in size wounds or cuts.
- 10:31Speaker 1: What's the difference between an incize wound and a cut?
- 10:34Speaker 1: So in size wound is basically is a cut. Of
- 10:37Speaker 1: a difference between an insized wound and a stab wound
- 10:40Speaker 1: is a stab wound is kind of a short wound
- 10:43Speaker 1: of a skin surface that goes very deep within the body,
- 10:46Speaker 1: whereas an incised wound is a very long wound that
- 10:50Speaker 1: goes very shallow into the body. So your in size
- 10:53Speaker 1: wounds are more of the slashing type cuts to the body,
- 10:57Speaker 1: whereas a stab wound is a deep penetrating injury. Usually
- 11:01Speaker 1: you see the insized wounds when they cut their throat.
- 11:05Speaker 1: What type of a stab would it require, I guess
- 11:10Speaker 1: not much to kill a four year old little boy,
- 11:12Speaker 1: But I'm noticing that the woman who found him, Miss
- 11:17Speaker 1: Antony Square, says that the boy's face and upper half
- 11:21Speaker 1: of his body were covered in blood. He did not
- 11:25Speaker 1: have on shoes or a shirt. As a matter of fact,
- 11:29Speaker 1: we are learning Dodger Kendel Crowns that he was wearing
- 11:34Speaker 1: what he had on when he went to bed. No shoes,
- 11:37Speaker 1: no shirt, face and upper half of body covered in blood.
- 11:43Speaker 1: What kind of injury would have caused his death? So
- 11:47Speaker 1: it's again more most likely a stab wound could be
- 11:50Speaker 1: multiple stab wounds, or it is multiple. I did learn
- 11:53Speaker 1: that Dodgor Kendel Crowns multiple stab wounds. Okay, so it's
- 11:57Speaker 1: probably multiple stab wounds to the chest more than likely,
- 12:00Speaker 1: or the neck or neck and chests combined. Usually people
- 12:04Speaker 1: don't stab individuals in the skull because he can't penetrate
- 12:07Speaker 1: the skull very eavily with a knife, So they go
- 12:09Speaker 1: for the neck and chest. The fact that there's blood
- 12:11Speaker 1: all over his neck and face, he's probably got a
- 12:14Speaker 1: deep penetrating injury to his carotid or jugular that's causing
- 12:18Speaker 1: a fair amount of blood to seep out of his
- 12:21Speaker 1: body or spread out of his body, covering his face
- 12:23Speaker 1: and neck. Oh my god, Mark Class, I hear you
- 12:27Speaker 1: in the background. Mark Class, founder of Class Kids Foundation.
- 12:30Speaker 1: Please go to the website for Class Kids see k
- 12:34Speaker 1: l A. S. K l a a s. Mark longtime
- 12:42Speaker 1: friend and colleague. The fact that this little boy is
- 12:47Speaker 1: wearing what he had on when he went to bed
- 12:52Speaker 1: is very very significant. And you know, Mark Class, you're
- 12:58Speaker 1: a girl. Holly was safe and sound at home in
- 13:05Speaker 1: her bed when she was taken. In fact, as I recall,
- 13:11Speaker 1: there was a little spin the night get together with
- 13:13Speaker 1: other little girls there, but that did not stop the perp.
- 13:19Speaker 1: And you know, Mark, we all think that never happens,
- 13:23Speaker 1: somebody will take my child out of the home. It
- 13:25Speaker 1: does happen, Mark Class. Remember Isabel's Sealise Elizabeth Smart. I
- 13:30Speaker 1: mean I could go on and on and on. Yes, yeah,
- 13:35Speaker 1: in each one of those cases that it turned out
- 13:39Speaker 1: that access to the home was not that difficult. Either
- 13:45Speaker 1: an unlocked window, unlocked door, something that would enable somebody
- 13:51Speaker 1: to easily get into the house and commit their bastard
- 13:54Speaker 1: lea just walk right in, Hey and Mark following up
- 13:58Speaker 1: on that before I lose the thought. It doesn't matter
- 14:01Speaker 1: if you live in some fancy neighborhood full of mansions,
- 14:06Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if you live in an apartment complex
- 14:09Speaker 1: and intercity Atlanta. It can happen. Because well, we know
- 14:15Speaker 1: Elizabeth Smart's home was stunning beautiful. Do you remember, Danielle
- 14:19Speaker 1: van Dam you and I worked that worked on that
- 14:22Speaker 1: case together. Beautiful home out in California, And as I
- 14:28Speaker 1: recall that neighbor David Westmoreland came in through a sliding
- 14:33Speaker 1: glass door that had not been secured. It's exactly what
- 14:37Speaker 1: you're just saying. Well, it's an object lesson for everybody.
- 14:42Speaker 1: I mean, based on the scenario, based on what you
- 14:44Speaker 1: just put out, it can be a mansion, or it
- 14:46Speaker 1: can be living in a cave. But the reality is
- 14:49Speaker 1: is that if you do not secure your home, you're
- 14:52Speaker 1: putting your children at risk. And we've seen that timing again,
- 14:56Speaker 1: and I wish people would just sort of pick up
- 14:59Speaker 1: on that lesson and do the right thing. But you know, Mark,
- 15:02Speaker 1: it's just so easy. It's just so easy. Like Mark,
- 15:07Speaker 1: my daughter likes to get up and make a certain
- 15:11Speaker 1: breakfast every morning, and she likes to sit at the
- 15:16Speaker 1: suffer table, and she likes to have that door going
- 15:20Speaker 1: to the backyard open. It's always set it up for
- 15:24Speaker 1: her in the morning. And that is lax. Of course,
- 15:29Speaker 1: crime typically doesn't happen at seven o'clock in the morning,
- 15:32Speaker 1: but it can. It can. I think we get lulled
- 15:37Speaker 1: into a sense of complacency. Mark, of course we do.
- 15:40Speaker 1: And that's when the German shepherd comes in, isn't it, Nancy.
- 15:43Speaker 1: If you have a a vicious looking dog or a
- 15:47Speaker 1: dog that can get aggressive and can be protective, that's
- 15:52Speaker 1: another reason that individuals who may wish harm might look
- 15:57Speaker 1: for other targets. You know, Mark, and you need protection.
- 16:02Speaker 1: You know what I'm doing right now, and I've dragged
- 16:05Speaker 1: you into it. I'm thinking about anything but this little boy.
- 16:13Speaker 1: Melissa Hotmeyer, Chief Special Victims Family Violence Unit, Prince George County.
- 16:20Speaker 1: Do you ever do that? You have to prosecute cases,
- 16:23Speaker 1: very upsetting cases, just like I've done my whole life,
- 16:26Speaker 1: and it's so easy to go down another avenue as
- 16:31Speaker 1: opposed to thinking about the chilling reality of this little
- 16:37Speaker 1: boy cast just four years old. Absolutely, I mean it
- 16:41Speaker 1: takes a toll on us. We're human, you know, a
- 16:44Speaker 1: lot of us like you, Nancy, have kids, and we
- 16:46Speaker 1: think of our own kids when we see these horrific
- 16:50Speaker 1: pictures and talk about someone doing something so brutal to
- 16:53Speaker 1: a child, and so it's hard. So sometimes it's better
- 16:56Speaker 1: to just redirect to Justin Bournema, former Special Victims Unit
- 17:01Speaker 1: detective and author. You can find him at Justin Boordman
- 17:05Speaker 1: dot com. Justin Detectives Recall and I'm alone gets there.
- 17:09Speaker 1: The child is dan, they cannot resuscitate him. What is
- 17:12Speaker 1: the first thing detectives need to do right there on
- 17:15Speaker 1: the street, Right there on the street. First off, I
- 17:18Speaker 1: think on the on the way in, you start a
- 17:22Speaker 1: mental focus. We talked a little bit about this right
- 17:25Speaker 1: off there before we started, but we need to certainly
- 17:29Speaker 1: part put these thoughts into a compartment and then start
- 17:33Speaker 1: investigating the case. So then right on scene, I'm going
- 17:37Speaker 1: to make sure that the sign the grime scene is
- 17:41Speaker 1: secure and from there I'm going to listen to a
- 17:45Speaker 1: couple of debriefs and start on my investigation. I'm going
- 17:49Speaker 1: to be starting to build a case against an unknown
- 17:52Speaker 1: person at this point, so I'm going to start. I'm
- 17:55Speaker 1: going to dissociate, if you will, to the evidence and
- 17:58Speaker 1: concentrate on that instead of the overwhelming emotions. So I
- 18:03Speaker 1: guess the first thing you would do, is you said,
- 18:05Speaker 1: is secure the crime scene and start working on the
- 18:08Speaker 1: identity of this little boy. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,
- 18:24Speaker 1: we now know who to be Cash journe on age
- 18:27Speaker 1: of four. How did this child end up dead? Multiple stabbings,
- 18:33Speaker 1: four years old and the street. Take a listen to
- 18:37Speaker 1: Nicole Nielsen CBS eleven. Who are why tonight? A neighborhood
- 18:43Speaker 1: has questions why is a kid out? As six forty
- 18:47Speaker 1: in a morning as a little boy just four to
- 18:49Speaker 1: five years old was found lying dead in the street,
- 18:52Speaker 1: murdered in a manner police called violent. Unfortunately, a small
- 18:57Speaker 1: child was lost today here in our city through a
- 19:00Speaker 1: violent act, and we will pursue justice to find whoever
- 19:03Speaker 1: did this. Police say they believe a single individual killed
- 19:06Speaker 1: the child with an edged weapon around find thirty am
- 19:09Speaker 1: in the seventy five block of Saddle Ridge. Trying even
- 19:13Speaker 1: for us as police officers. We are shocked, we're very
- 19:17Speaker 1: angry about what has happened through the small towel. Throughout
- 19:20Speaker 1: the day, Dallas Police mounted patrol and the Bike Unit
- 19:23Speaker 1: searched a wooded area at the end of the street,
- 19:25Speaker 1: looking for clues and trying to find anyone with information
- 19:28Speaker 1: on what happened. First of all, you got to I
- 19:31Speaker 1: d the victim to you, Mark class I mean, just
- 19:34Speaker 1: common sense. I don't need a JD or a graduate
- 19:38Speaker 1: certificate for the police academy to figure this out. Who
- 19:42Speaker 1: would kill a child still wearing his pajamas and then
- 19:47Speaker 1: bring him to this neighborhood end up his body. I mean,
- 19:52Speaker 1: if you're going to go to the trouble of dumping
- 19:55Speaker 1: a body, you're going to go to a body of water,
- 19:58Speaker 1: dan a ravine at a dump in a disley wooded area.
- 20:04Speaker 1: That tells me right off the bat that this child
- 20:08Speaker 1: likely is from that neighborhood. What do you think about
- 20:12Speaker 1: that quick deduction, Mark Class, Well, I think that makes
- 20:15Speaker 1: a lot of sense. And it's also a very sloppy crime,
- 20:18Speaker 1: isn't it. That's probably going to leave in some evidence behind.
- 20:22Speaker 1: It's going to allow law enforcement to hone in first
- 20:25Speaker 1: on who the child is and then who the perpetrator is. Well,
- 20:30Speaker 1: you know what, You're right, take a listen to our
- 20:33Speaker 1: France at CBS eleven, Dallas Fort Worth. The FBI's Evidence
- 20:38Speaker 1: Response Team searched a home in the seventy five hundred
- 20:40Speaker 1: block of Florina Parkway. Now that's located in the same
- 20:44Speaker 1: neighborhoods where that four to five year old was found
- 20:46Speaker 1: dead this morning. They've confirmed that this home is now
- 20:50Speaker 1: part of their investigation. Throughout the day, Dallas Police mounted
- 20:53Speaker 1: patrol and the bike unit searched a wooded area at
- 20:56Speaker 1: the end of the street looking for clues. We were
- 20:58Speaker 1: then led to a second location in the neighborhood where
- 21:01Speaker 1: the FBI was found carrying several items out of a home,
- 21:04Speaker 1: including a rug. We have asked the FBI's crime scene
- 21:09Speaker 1: unit to come out so that our federal partners are
- 21:11Speaker 1: coming out to help us to collect digital evidence as
- 21:14Speaker 1: well as help us. We've processed the scene. Processing the scene,
- 21:20Speaker 1: I wonder what led them to that particular home. Once
- 21:24Speaker 1: they raised the alarm within the neighborhood. I understand Alexa's
- 21:29Speaker 1: terres chuck. They started going door to door. They did
- 21:32Speaker 1: go door to door. But there was a huge break
- 21:37Speaker 1: in the case from well, you know why, you're right
- 21:39Speaker 1: about that, and I guarantee hearing the police bamming at
- 21:43Speaker 1: your door first thing in the morning and then you
- 21:45Speaker 1: go in your child's room and find out he's missing. Guys,
- 21:50Speaker 1: Alexa's tterres Chuck is right, big break in the case.
- 21:53Speaker 1: Listen to our cut seventeen Sean rab Fox four baby
- 21:57Speaker 1: video monitoring system showed at about five am, Cash was
- 22:03Speaker 1: removed from his crib as he was sleeping. Monica Sherrod
- 22:07Speaker 1: viewed the video and identified the suspect, Darien rone L. Brown,
- 22:12Speaker 1: But the affidavit is not clear about how he got
- 22:14Speaker 1: into the house and the seventy five hundred block of
- 22:17Speaker 1: Florina Parkway, what was the motive for his alleged actions,
- 22:21Speaker 1: and what if any relationship Brown had to anyone in
- 22:24Speaker 1: that house. Had you seen him legal, I've seen him
- 22:27Speaker 1: maybe five days before or five days before after that.
- 22:32Speaker 1: I just didn't seen him since that was just like,
- 22:35Speaker 1: what's up? It wasn't yeah, they just like, hey, you know, hey,
- 22:38Speaker 1: how y'all doing them? And I was in Brown was
- 22:41Speaker 1: only a misdemeanor of aiding charge that he was out
- 22:43Speaker 1: of Joe Lunbond for Alex Dress Chuck speaking of a
- 22:46Speaker 1: major break in the case, I assume you're referring to
- 22:49Speaker 1: the rl O baby monitor video. Exactly, there was a baby.
- 22:53Speaker 1: The boys are only four years old, and their bedroom
- 22:56Speaker 1: is in the back of the house. The other bedroom
- 23:00Speaker 1: rooms are in the front of the house so that
- 23:01Speaker 1: they're not close enough to hear what's going on. So
- 23:03Speaker 1: there's a baby monitor and the woman in the house
- 23:06Speaker 1: where the boys were staying when she wakes up at
- 23:09Speaker 1: eleven o'clock in the morning and realizes that the boy
- 23:13Speaker 1: is missing because his little twin brother is saying, I
- 23:15Speaker 1: can't find my brother. She looks in her she watches
- 23:20Speaker 1: the camera in the boy's bedroom and sees that someone
- 23:23Speaker 1: entered the boy's bedroom at five o'clock in the morning.
- 23:26Speaker 1: It is still dark, so's it's like an infrared video,
- 23:29Speaker 1: you know. It's a black and white video, and you
- 23:32Speaker 1: see a man walk into the bedroom. He walks over
- 23:35Speaker 1: to the crib. He pulls black a blanket where the
- 23:37Speaker 1: two and both boys are in a crib, but it
- 23:40Speaker 1: has one side off because it's a toddler bed, and
- 23:43Speaker 1: they are He looks, he looks around the room. He
- 23:46Speaker 1: looks the one. All of a sudden he reached down.
- 23:48Speaker 1: He reaches down, he snatches up one of the boys
- 23:51Speaker 1: and picks him up, and you can see him. You
- 23:53Speaker 1: see the whole boy. You see the man carrying this
- 23:56Speaker 1: little boys carry him from behind, so he has like
- 23:59Speaker 1: two hands under each armpit and carries the boy, runs
- 24:02Speaker 1: out of the room with him. Five o'clock in the morning.
- 24:05Speaker 1: I want to analyze what we just heard. Joining me,
- 24:09Speaker 1: Doctor Teresa Gil, professor's psychology and psychotherapist at Teresa guilphd
- 24:14Speaker 1: dot com. Doctor Gil. As of right now, no connection
- 24:20Speaker 1: has been made at all between this young man Darien Brown,
- 24:28Speaker 1: I might add, wearing an ankle monitor at the time.
- 24:34Speaker 1: Who goes into a home, this is not a relative,
- 24:39Speaker 1: this is not a friend, goes into the home, into
- 24:44Speaker 1: the baby's room, two twin boys, stands there awhile and
- 24:51Speaker 1: lifts up a child and leaves. What could possibly be
- 24:57Speaker 1: the psychology behind that? I think that no matter what
- 25:01Speaker 1: the motive, only a really severely disturbed person would murder.
- 25:06Speaker 1: And it's not clear what his mental health status is,
- 25:09Speaker 1: but Darren's mother said that he was being treated at
- 25:13Speaker 1: a mental health clinic and struggled with mental illness. One
- 25:17Speaker 1: of my first thoughts was, you know, did he have schizophrenia?
- 25:21Speaker 1: You know, was allucinary and delusional, because we know in
- 25:26Speaker 1: the research that one of the common factors of adolescents
- 25:30Speaker 1: to murder is that they have psychosis. And the second
- 25:34Speaker 1: thought that I had, and again, the police are still
- 25:37Speaker 1: investigating and they don't have a lot of information, and
- 25:40Speaker 1: I also heard that they're not sharing a lot of
- 25:43Speaker 1: information at this point, but they're still exploring. But he
- 25:47Speaker 1: may have had a severe condition of something called conduct
- 25:54Speaker 1: disordered and conduct disordered kids at times almost nineteen years old.
- 26:01Speaker 1: He's about to turn nineteen years old. And I doubt
- 26:05Speaker 1: very seriously, doctor Teresa Gill, that a court of law
- 26:12Speaker 1: would have led a schizophrenic, psychopathic person this mentally ill
- 26:20Speaker 1: off with an ankle monitor. He had on an ankle monitor. Doctor,
- 26:28Speaker 1: he had been let free with just an ankle monitor.
- 26:34Speaker 1: I would assume that he didn't have a history of
- 26:37Speaker 1: violent crime that they had seen. But if he did
- 26:41Speaker 1: have conduct disorder, it's a really severe condition where they
- 26:46Speaker 1: continually disregard and violate the rights and feelings in personal
- 26:50Speaker 1: space of others, and that they grant game gratification of
- 26:54Speaker 1: having power over others, causing harm and causing fear in others.
- 27:01Speaker 1: And I think as they do more investigation and they
- 27:04Speaker 1: find out he may have had a history of aggression,
- 27:07Speaker 1: starts with animals. It starts with those that are most vulnerable,
- 27:11Speaker 1: like children, and it can include things like awesome setting fires,
- 27:16Speaker 1: substance us but they also have a real superficial charm.
- 27:21Speaker 1: And the key thing with conduct disorder as well as
- 27:25Speaker 1: anti social personality disorder is that they have no remorse
- 27:29Speaker 1: for their actions. Crime stories with Nancy Grace, we are
- 27:43Speaker 1: talking about the kidnap and murder of a four year
- 27:47Speaker 1: old little boy to Melissa Hotmeyer. The desire for power
- 27:52Speaker 1: and control over a tiny, taught boy that is discovered
- 27:57Speaker 1: dead from a quote edged weapon pen does not rise
- 28:02Speaker 1: to the level of insanity unless and until it is
- 28:08Speaker 1: proven by the defendant that he did not know right
- 28:13Speaker 1: from wrong at the time of the incident. Is that correct?
- 28:17Speaker 1: That's absolutely correct. And I think that that surveillance video
- 28:22Speaker 1: is damning to him because he's looking around trying to
- 28:25Speaker 1: make sure that nobody's going to come in on him,
- 28:27Speaker 1: so he you know, the way that I look at
- 28:28Speaker 1: it is that he knows exactly what he's doing and
- 28:31Speaker 1: has the presence of mind to check to make sure
- 28:33Speaker 1: he's not being seen. You even kind of look at
- 28:36Speaker 1: one point, it looks like he may see the monitor
- 28:38Speaker 1: and is trying to decide whether or not it's just
- 28:40Speaker 1: a video or recording. And to me, that seems like
- 28:44Speaker 1: he's somebody who knows what he's doing and is trying
- 28:48Speaker 1: to get away with it. We are also learning that
- 28:51Speaker 1: at the time Cash was stolen out of his crib
- 28:54Speaker 1: and murdered, this person, Darren Brown, was already facing a
- 29:00Speaker 1: ins demeanor charge of evading arrest from April twenty seven.
- 29:06Speaker 1: That's last month, April twenty seven, evading arrest, and that
- 29:11Speaker 1: tells me he knew right from wrong because he knew
- 29:14Speaker 1: to run from police officers. Cash taken from his crib
- 29:19Speaker 1: and then after the baby monitoring reveals, when finally caregiver
- 29:27Speaker 1: wakes up at eleven am, we see this figure skulking
- 29:34Speaker 1: around in the bedroom. You were just hearing our friends
- 29:38Speaker 1: at Fox four. Now take a listen to our cut six.
- 29:42Speaker 1: This is Steve Pikett WFAA. We now know the identity
- 29:46Speaker 1: of the man's suspective of killing a Dallas toddler. That
- 29:50Speaker 1: man's been identified as eighteen year old Darren Brown. So far,
- 29:54Speaker 1: he is only being charged with kidnapping and theft, but
- 29:57Speaker 1: investigators say they are anticipating more charges pinning the results
- 30:02Speaker 1: of a forensic analysis. Now, yesterday morning, four year old
- 30:06Speaker 1: little boy found dead in the middle of the street.
- 30:09Speaker 1: This is in the Mountain Creek neighborhood in Dallas. Police
- 30:13Speaker 1: say that child died in a violent manner, was killed
- 30:16Speaker 1: with an edged weapon. The case is being treated as
- 30:20Speaker 1: a murder investigation. And then you know it's a big
- 30:24Speaker 1: case when the FBI gets brought in. Take a listen
- 30:28Speaker 1: to our cut seven. This is Mulinisa w FAA. Dallas
- 30:32Speaker 1: Police and the FBI arrested eighteen year old Darren Brown
- 30:36Speaker 1: on kidnapping and theft charges. Longtime neighbors tell us they
- 30:40Speaker 1: would see Brown walking in the neighborhood. Part believe. I
- 30:44Speaker 1: don't think, I don't think he wasn't here fan anymore.
- 30:48Speaker 1: Off camera, Jernan's mom says Brown broke into her home
- 30:52Speaker 1: through a back door and kidnapped her son while he
- 30:55Speaker 1: was sleeping. Mom claims surveillance cameras captured it. All authorities
- 31:02Speaker 1: tell us Brown had an ankle monitoring bracelet on for
- 31:05Speaker 1: a prior charge. Straight out to Mark Class founder Class
- 31:10Speaker 1: Kids Foundation at class kids dot org. That's class with
- 31:14Speaker 1: a K. Mark. I'm what about the fact that after
- 31:19Speaker 1: he takes Cash, the video catches him coming back to
- 31:25Speaker 1: get the other twin, and they catch him coming back
- 31:28Speaker 1: at seven o'clock, Nancy, which is u after Cash had
- 31:32Speaker 1: been brutally murdered. So obviously bloodlust was on this individual's mind,
- 31:39Speaker 1: and fortunately something distracted him and sent him out of
- 31:44Speaker 1: the house before he could get his hands on the
- 31:46Speaker 1: other little brother. But I'll tell you what this video
- 31:50Speaker 1: does as much as anything else, Nancy, is it reminds
- 31:53Speaker 1: me of the other final videos of little children being
- 31:58Speaker 1: led to their death Carly Brew Usha in Florida, Hamburg,
- 32:02Speaker 1: Harris in Omaha, Cherie Perrywinkle, a case that you and
- 32:06Speaker 1: I have certainly both worked on, and it underscores the
- 32:13Speaker 1: importance of surveillance in our society. CCTV has helped to
- 32:18Speaker 1: solve numerous cases and get numerous horrible people off of
- 32:22Speaker 1: the streets. So despite the fact that the house had
- 32:26Speaker 1: been left unsecured and that somebody was able to get
- 32:30Speaker 1: in at least there was this very compelling evidence left
- 32:34Speaker 1: behind so that they would be able to hopefully close
- 32:38Speaker 1: this case out and take a very very dangerous person
- 32:41Speaker 1: who had no business being on the street off of
- 32:44Speaker 1: the street for good. To Alexis Teresa crime online dot com, Alexis,
- 32:49Speaker 1: what do we see in that baby monitor video when
- 32:52Speaker 1: the perp comes back to get the other twin. So
- 32:56Speaker 1: it's now about seven o'clock in the morning and it
- 32:59Speaker 1: is daylight. Son is up. The first time he was
- 33:01Speaker 1: there at five o'clock in the morning, it was still dark,
- 33:03Speaker 1: but he enters the room the exact same way. He
- 33:07Speaker 1: walks over to the crib. He looks around. The other
- 33:09Speaker 1: little boy is still sleeping in there. There are no
- 33:11Speaker 1: shades on the window, so it's very bright in the room.
- 33:14Speaker 1: He looks around, then he looks up. Something has caught
- 33:21Speaker 1: his eye or he's heard something. He looks around, and
- 33:23Speaker 1: then he leaves and he doesn't take the boy this time.
- 33:27Speaker 1: He leaves the boy this time because he must have hurt.
- 33:29Speaker 1: A noise or or something just in his head made
- 33:33Speaker 1: him look around. There's not sound on the videos, so
- 33:36Speaker 1: you don't know, but he looks up, startled, and then
- 33:39Speaker 1: leaves without taking the child with him, but he still
- 33:41Speaker 1: would have had the access because this is seven o'clock
- 33:44Speaker 1: in the morning. The woman who isn't who lives in
- 33:47Speaker 1: the house, who is not the boy's mother, even though
- 33:49Speaker 1: she originally said she she is not the mother of
- 33:51Speaker 1: the twins. She doesn't even get up until eleven o'clock
- 33:54Speaker 1: in the morning, so you know, hours and hours later,
- 33:59Speaker 1: all that time, as you know, the first few hours
- 34:04Speaker 1: in the kidnapped are critical. Well, take a listen to
- 34:08Speaker 1: our friend Maria Guerrero NBC five are cut sixteen. This
- 34:12Speaker 1: is the defendant's mother speaking out at the house where
- 34:17Speaker 1: Dallas police say four year olds Cash Gernan was kidnapped.
- 34:21Speaker 1: Cameron Moorey, who lives here, says he's as hurt as
- 34:24Speaker 1: he is confused, like why he was four, you know,
- 34:28Speaker 1: like who does this to four your keys? He's what
- 34:30Speaker 1: I'm saying, for what, just for no reason, just because
- 34:34Speaker 1: you want to be evil. Mori says his mother dated
- 34:38Speaker 1: Cash's father until and listen to Robbie O and CBS
- 34:42Speaker 1: eleven for the purpose. Mom, I've spoke with that suspect's
- 34:46Speaker 1: mother this afternoon, and she insists that her son is
- 34:48Speaker 1: being set up. What do you believe happen? I think
- 34:52Speaker 1: that for your boy was killed at two people's home,
- 34:55Speaker 1: and I believe someone had a transportation like a card
- 34:58Speaker 1: should and transported to the side. How do you know
- 35:03Speaker 1: this family point the little boy had been staying, only
- 35:10Speaker 1: the other ones that stay there, but they don't know
- 35:13Speaker 1: the two four year olds. Have you been able to
- 35:15Speaker 1: speak with him since he was arrested? Oh, ma'am, I
- 35:18Speaker 1: have not better to speak to him nor see him,
- 35:21Speaker 1: not at all. And that's not so furious. Okay, she's
- 35:25Speaker 1: curious because she hasn't spoke to her son, now charged
- 35:28Speaker 1: in the murdyr and the kidnap. So there we see
- 35:32Speaker 1: the defense lining up Melissa Hotmeyer that the perp was
- 35:36Speaker 1: quote set up. That's going to be the defense. I mean,
- 35:40Speaker 1: good luck with that. I don't know that you get
- 35:42Speaker 1: better evidence as a prosecutor than that video. So you know,
- 35:48Speaker 1: I love I love when the defendant says, prove it. Okay,
- 35:51Speaker 1: I will you know this alleged perp, Darren Brown, comes
- 35:57Speaker 1: back at daybreak for Cash Gernon's twin brothers. Twin brother,
- 36:02Speaker 1: just two hours after he had taken the four year
- 36:05Speaker 1: old from the very same bed and murdered him. He
- 36:09Speaker 1: got spooked. He either heard something or saw something that
- 36:13Speaker 1: made him flee, leaving behind the little twin brother Mark class.
- 36:20Speaker 1: When we try to make sense of it, it's applying
- 36:24Speaker 1: logic to an illogical situation. Final thought to you, Mark, Well,
- 36:29Speaker 1: there is no logic to something like this. Sometimes people
- 36:33Speaker 1: want to kill for whatever internal reason exists, But the
- 36:38Speaker 1: reality is that the lesson of this case is in
- 36:41Speaker 1: the lesson of so many other case is that you
- 36:43Speaker 1: need to secure your home, and that you should get
- 36:46Speaker 1: some kind of defense against against evil, and certainly the
- 36:50Speaker 1: idea of having CCTV, which has been so instrumental in
- 36:54Speaker 1: saving so many solving so many cases. The solution exists.
- 37:00Speaker 1: People just have to have to apply it. We wait
- 37:05Speaker 1: as justice unfalse. Nancy Grace Crimes story, signing off goodbye friend,