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S6 E14 _ Frozen Fear_ The Butcher Baker of Alaska - Robert Hansen Part 10 · True Crime and Wine Time

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  Speaker 1: is part what are we on? Part ten of our
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  Speaker 1: Frozen Fear. The Butcher Baker of Alaska series. Yeah, ten
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  Speaker 1: of these you guys where we are die? I think
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  Speaker 1: deep into infamous serial killer Robert Hanson, his endless number
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  Speaker 1: of victims who we've refused to let be forgotten, and
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  Speaker 1: how it all could have been stopped numerous times. The
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  Speaker 1: state of Alaska has a lot of blood on their hands,
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  Speaker 1: and we're here to shine a light on all of it.
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  Speaker 1: And I think most of us at this point are
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  Speaker 1: just like, yeah, you should provide some answers, Alaska. Really,
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  Speaker 1: this is unbelievable, this story is. And of course I
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  Speaker 1: am back, so prepare yourself probably for some curcy words
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  Speaker 1: and rants, because it's been a while and I didn't
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  Speaker 1: get a rent very much the last week except to
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  Speaker 1: elbow feet about the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City.
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  Speaker 1: That's the only person I've been able to talk to.
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  Speaker 1: So okay, all right, I gotta get comfortable. My seat
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  Speaker 1: feels weird. So anyway, Yes, I am better. I'm so
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  Speaker 1: Hippart five thousand kind of. But I mean, gosh, if
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  Speaker 1: Glaska would have done a better job, would huh? So
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  Speaker 1: I deserve it. I have my vodka with orange mango
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  Speaker 1: be healthy. But that's what I got for myself tonight.
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  Speaker 1: M we have a batman's size light on a view
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  Speaker 1: on Alaska or on Alaska? Right, use do not want
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  Speaker 1: Well with that, let's get into tonight's story. Also, like
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  Speaker 1: I said, I am better, but I'm not fully better,
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  Speaker 1: like now, like so, so all right, And by the way,
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  Speaker 1: I did watch the last two episodes as having tried
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  Speaker 1: Vita tequila. I hear it's mediocre. I'm just kidding. You're
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  Speaker 1: not to that are yet? How are you? Like? No,
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  Speaker 1: I did watch along with you guys in the chat
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  Speaker 1: as Harry did these last two episodes, and she did
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  Speaker 1: a very great job. Good job, Terry, good job on those.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, But I do have a bottle of
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  Speaker 1: tequila if you're wondering. All right, so let's do a
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  Speaker 1: quick little recap though before we get into Tonight's case.
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  Speaker 1: So for months. The investigation into the Avenue Girls was
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  Speaker 1: a ghost story, a collection of missing posters and shallow
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  Speaker 1: graves that the system was all too happy to ignore.
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  Speaker 1: Were they They were just like, Oh, this doesn't look
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  Speaker 1: like anything to me, and it's like really really. Even
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  Speaker 1: after Cindy Paulson's heart stopping escape, the Anchorage authorities stayed blind,
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  Speaker 1: choosing to believe a respected baker with a stutter over
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  Speaker 1: a seventeen year old girl in handcuffs. But the silent
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  Speaker 1: didn't last. We saw Sergeant Glynn flothe take a shit
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  Speaker 1: sandwich of a case. That's why do you know? Lama
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  Speaker 1: writes things a shif sandwich of a case and transform
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  Speaker 1: it into a surgical strike through quiet persistence and a
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  Speaker 1: human computer approach to data fluff. Floffee linked the ritualistic
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  Speaker 1: redressing of victims like Sherry Morrow and Paula Golding to
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  Speaker 1: a very specific type of predator. We watched the FBI's
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  Speaker 1: mind Hunter's Sketch, a chilling accurate portrait of a killer,
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  Speaker 1: predicting his trophies, his murder kit, and even his speech
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  Speaker 1: impediment without ever knowing his name. It was very impressive.
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  Speaker 1: They literally was called everything so like they didn't even
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  Speaker 1: meet the guy they could put it together. But Alaska
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  Speaker 1: spent you know, thirteen years having a circle drik apparently,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. Now. When the local
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  Speaker 1: DA's office hit a wall of bureaucracy because they were
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  Speaker 1: busy in short staff, Floffe went rogue, calling in a
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  Speaker 1: favor from Fairbanks to draft a bulletproof forty eight page
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  Speaker 1: AFFI David and I haven't been here the last two
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  Speaker 1: recordings to give my opinions about things. Really, But if
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't for at this point Floffey and Hogs spent
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  Speaker 1: two they worked together in all of this. But if
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  Speaker 1: they would have not taken an initiative in writing this
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  Speaker 1: Affidavid for the search horn, if they would have been like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we just don't have time to dress this.
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  Speaker 1: The attorney Attorney's office doesn't have time to draft this,
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  Speaker 1: he would have still kept on killing all because people
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  Speaker 1: are like, oh yeah, but like I was really small
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  Speaker 1: to right now and I don't have the time, you know,
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  Speaker 1: So him, Officer Baker, even Maxine Futreu, who you know, girl,
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  Speaker 1: she was working in these rooms with all these fucking
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  Speaker 1: idiot police officers and investigators provo to her, a woman,
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  Speaker 1: being an investigator at that time in Alaska. I'm sure she.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure she had a hell of a time being respected. Hi, Spetty,
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  Speaker 1: I know. It's so nice to see everybody here too,
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  Speaker 1: So nice to see you guys. And then finally we
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  Speaker 1: reached the breaking point. October twenty seventh, nineteen eighty three,
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  Speaker 1: at eight twenty six am, the meek Baker was intercepted
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  Speaker 1: in his white cooperative as always because he is a god,
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  Speaker 1: and led to an interrogation room. But while Robert Hansen
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  Speaker 1: sat across from Flothey trying to stutter his way out
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  Speaker 1: of a life sins, a small army of troopers were
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  Speaker 1: crossing the threshold of his home on Old Harvard Road.
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  Speaker 1: The mask of sanity has been stripped away, and now
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  Speaker 1: the house is about to give up its secrets. So
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  Speaker 1: are you all ready for what we're getting into Tonight's
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  Speaker 1: I'm just happy we're finally at this place that we
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  Speaker 1: should have been a thirteen years ago after Patty Roberts.
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  Speaker 1: But thank you, Terry, thank you. Yeah, this story is sad,
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  Speaker 1: so over my life is sad. I don't know, But okay,
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  Speaker 1: all right, that's fine either way. Hello, welcome, hope you're
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  Speaker 1: having a good night, all right, So to the mama
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  Speaker 1: ransay scroll thanks Avy. All right. So two of the
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  Speaker 1: neighbors in the Anchorage subdivision, the Hanson home was the
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  Speaker 1: picture of modest, middle class stability. But on the morning
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  Speaker 1: of October seventeenth, nineteen eighty three, that domestic mask was
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  Speaker 1: about to be removed. I'm sorry October twenty seventh, nineteen
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  Speaker 1: eighty three, and not seventeenth. All right, I'm rusty, it's
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  Speaker 1: been a week. Yeah. Now, while Robert Hanson was being
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  Speaker 1: intercepted in his Baker Whites across town, an armada of
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  Speaker 1: police cruisers and forensic units stayed idling out of sight.
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  Speaker 1: Sergeant Lyle Hawkspin stepped up to the porch alone. He
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  Speaker 1: wasn't wearing a tactical vest or brandishing a weapon. He
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  Speaker 1: was in civilian clothes, a quiet emissary of the storm
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  Speaker 1: that was about to break. I also remember it's like
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  Speaker 1: the eighties, so there not I'll just like bust indoors down. Well,
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  Speaker 1: they probably were, but not in this case, and they
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  Speaker 1: knew Hanson was at work, so I'm glad that they
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  Speaker 1: just didn't go in. Oh Buck Wilde because, as we'll
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  Speaker 1: find out, when the door opened, he was met by
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  Speaker 1: Darla Hanson. Darla was the structural integrity of the Hanson family,
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  Speaker 1: a teacher with a master's degree and a woman of
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  Speaker 1: profound faith. She had spent years navigating the separate lives
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  Speaker 1: she and Robert lived. She worked to support the children,
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  Speaker 1: while Robert's bakery earnings were largely kept for his own
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  Speaker 1: means what a great guy in arrangements she likely viewed
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  Speaker 1: as a quirk of his personality rather than a red
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  Speaker 1: flag for a predator. So, if you need more reasons
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  Speaker 1: not to like Robert, there are some more. She had
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  Speaker 1: stood by him through all of his troubles in Alaska
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  Speaker 1: that she was aware of, believing that her stability that
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  Speaker 1: he could eventually anchor his drifting soul. Excuse me, and
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  Speaker 1: I just want to say this about Darla. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I can't blame her for sticking with Robert all this
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  Speaker 1: time because it would be very easy, considering we know
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  Speaker 1: how things went down in the courts and with lawyers,
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  Speaker 1: that she would believe everything that he said or the
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  Speaker 1: lawyer because nothing serious is never really seriously held accountable
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  Speaker 1: for things that was going on, and I could see
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  Speaker 1: how she could easily beer suathed. Like, no, it was
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  Speaker 1: just like one time. I didn't have anything to do
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  Speaker 1: with that. I'm just a nice guy who who gives
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  Speaker 1: prostitutes rides home after dancing, because you know, he totally
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  Speaker 1: did that. Now, the scene Hogsmann stepped into was hauntingly normal.
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  Speaker 1: In the living room, Robert's mother, recently widowed and celeb
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  Speaker 1: reading her birthday that very day, sat in a rocking
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  Speaker 1: chair like I couldn't could you imagine? She lost her
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  Speaker 1: husband after probably what fifty years I would say sounds
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  Speaker 1: probably likely forty fifty years. And then on her birthday,
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  Speaker 1: her son gets arrested and is then found out that
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  Speaker 1: he's a serial killer. Like, oh my gosh, I feel
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  Speaker 1: for her. I don't have anything bad to say about
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  Speaker 1: his mom. I couldn't find any negative things about his
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  Speaker 1: mom whatsoever, just his dad. Now beside her on the
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  Speaker 1: floor was a small boy, Robert's son, meticulously working with
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  Speaker 1: crowns to finish a birthday card for his grandmother. The
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  Speaker 1: house was full of life. Darla was in the middle
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  Speaker 1: of a tutoring session, her students looking on in confusion,
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  Speaker 1: peeking around corners and sensing the shift in the room's temperature.
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  Speaker 1: Been struck by the innocence of the children and the
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  Speaker 1: vulnerability of the elderly woman, showed a rare moment of
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  Speaker 1: police restraint, and I thought this was very kind, very kind.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, you know, he kind of knew what was
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  Speaker 1: coming where she not so much, so he didn't signal
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  Speaker 1: the fleet to charge in. Instead, he waited, helping Darla
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  Speaker 1: orchestrate a quiet exit for the students in the family
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  Speaker 1: to a neighbor's house. He would later recall the image
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  Speaker 1: of the little boy scooting around trying to help his
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  Speaker 1: mother pack up their things, completely unaware that his father
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  Speaker 1: was the reason his world was about to vanish. Masoneth,
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  Speaker 1: his kids, his family. I just I feel so bad
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  Speaker 1: for them, Like, I can't imagine what they must have
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  Speaker 1: went through and their life afterwards, you know, being the
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  Speaker 1: children of him. Poor kids. Now, excuse me. Once the
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  Speaker 1: children and Robert's mother were safely moved across the street
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  Speaker 1: over to a neighbor's house, Darla Hanson walked back across
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  Speaker 1: the street with Sergeant hogsmin. She was steady, reserved and
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  Speaker 1: likely still convinced this was another misunderstanding or a remnant
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  Speaker 1: of Robert's petty pass right. All she knows is like
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  Speaker 1: he tried to hold up a woman with a gun
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  Speaker 1: and he stole a chainshaw. That's all she thinks really happened,
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  Speaker 1: because that's all that was proved in court. So now
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  Speaker 1: she opened the door and let the waw inside. And
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  Speaker 1: she had no idea that beneath the roof, where she
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  Speaker 1: tutored children and raised her family, her husband had built
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  Speaker 1: a museum of death. As the forensic teams finally received
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  Speaker 1: the signal to enter, the meek Baker's sanctuary was officially
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  Speaker 1: a crime scene, Darla moved through her home with her
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  Speaker 1: arms folded tight, a universal posture of self protection. Who
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  Speaker 1: walks around when I'm like this, Oh means I'm not
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  Speaker 1: having a good time? No, it does not. Now she
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  Speaker 1: watched the domestic sanctity of her life being dismantled, piece
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  Speaker 1: by peace. Darla watched with growing bewilderment as the investigators
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  Speaker 1: focused their attention on the basement. To her, it was
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  Speaker 1: just a room. To them, it was a potential crime scene.
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  Speaker 1: We know what happened down there, She noted their meticulous scrutiny,
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  Speaker 1: scrutiny of a large bare rug unable to fathom why
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  Speaker 1: a piece of decor would be of such high interest
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  Speaker 1: to them. Now, at that moment, she likely didn't realize
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  Speaker 1: that in the world of forensic evidence, fibers and biological
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  Speaker 1: traces trapped in heavy fur can hold the secrets of struggle, confinement,
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  Speaker 1: or of presence of women who were never supposed to
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  Speaker 1: be in that house. There was a moment of friction
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  Speaker 1: that occurred in the kitchen, the heart of her home,
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  Speaker 1: when officers discovered several bakery bags stuffed with cash and receipts.
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  Speaker 1: One investigator said, hell, he must be an embezzler too.
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  Speaker 1: Now that comments stung for Darla. This wasn't evidence of
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  Speaker 1: a crime, It was just Robert. She defended his process,
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  Speaker 1: explaining that he was a meticulous bookkeeper who brought the
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  Speaker 1: day's earnings home in inconspicuous doughnut bags for safety before
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  Speaker 1: his weekly trip to the bank. Hm. It was a
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  Speaker 1: small defensive stand for the man. She believed he was
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  Speaker 1: hard working, if centric businessman. No, I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: it makes sense to only visit a bank once a
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  Speaker 1: week in that kind of business. I mean, that's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of cash keep around, But it's also the eighties,
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  Speaker 1: people weren't trying to keep their money in banks all
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  Speaker 1: the time. Okay, I don't think it's that weird, but
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  Speaker 1: let's remember he loved flashing money at the clubs or
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  Speaker 1: when he was trying to pick up a sex worker.
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  Speaker 1: He always had bundles of cash. So I don't love that.
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  Speaker 1: He said, How much you hate Robert? Yeah, he's literally
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  Speaker 1: the worst, literally one of the worst. Now, The officers
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  Speaker 1: on the scene recorded a constant observation that Darla appeared
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  Speaker 1: utterly dumbfounded. There was Hi, Kelly, Hi, I hope you're
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  Speaker 1: doing well, so happy to see you. There was no
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  Speaker 1: guilty knowledge in her eyes, only the shock of a
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  Speaker 1: woman whose reality was being rewritten in real time. Now.
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  Speaker 1: She repeatedly offered testimonials to Robert's character that felt like
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  Speaker 1: they belonged to a different man entirely. She insisted that
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  Speaker 1: Robert never laid a hand on the children and maintained
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  Speaker 1: that there never been a hint of physical aggression within
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  Speaker 1: their walls. While she adamantly denied physical violence, she did
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  Speaker 1: acknowledge a darker undercurrent of emotional abuse, which is not surprising.
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  Speaker 1: It was the only crack she was willing to admit
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  Speaker 1: in the facade, a hint of the deep seated low
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  Speaker 1: self esteem the FBI profile had highlighted. And I imagine
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  Speaker 1: that when things weren't going well for Hansen's projects. I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure he wasn't a doozy to share a home with.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure he wasn't on a regular base, he says,
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  Speaker 1: let alone. You know when things go bad, as he says,
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  Speaker 1: this guy, this guy. Now, Darla was standing in the
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  Speaker 1: wreckage of her marriage defending a ghost. She was convinced
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  Speaker 1: there was no violence in her home, unaware that the
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  Speaker 1: violence had simply happened elsewhere, and that the trophies of
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  Speaker 1: those horrors were scattered around her home. Oh. I feel
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  Speaker 1: bad for his wife and family too. It's just again
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  Speaker 1: this whole. So many people he harmed, just endless, endless
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  Speaker 1: amounts of people. And I hate this guy so much. Now,
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  Speaker 1: for fourteen grueling hours, eight officers from the Troopers and
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  Speaker 1: the Anchorage Police Department became the most unwanted guest in
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  Speaker 1: Robert Hanson's home. I'm sure they didn't just walk in, though,
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  Speaker 1: they moved with a clinical precision to design, to ensure
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  Speaker 1: then not a single hair, fiber or footprint could be
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  Speaker 1: contested in a court. Well about damn tie. Honestly, that's
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  Speaker 1: why I left this part and was just so we're like, oh, look,
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  Speaker 1: finally a proper investigation, because they didn't really seem like
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  Speaker 1: anywhere we're done in the seventies about anything. Now, before
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  Speaker 1: a single drawer was opened or a floor boar lifted,
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: the team froze the house in time. They treated the
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Muldoon residence like a tomb that needed to be mapped
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: before it was disturbed. A cameraman moved through the house,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: filming inch by inch to capture the exact state of
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: the home upon entry, and photographers followed behind them, snapping
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: pictures of every room from multiple angles. In the basement,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: in the room where Hanson spent his private time, officers
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: swept the rooms looking for any microscopic evidence like hares
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: and fibers that could be a link to a missing dancer. Now,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: before the troopers even reached the high level evidence of murder,
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: they hit a wall of blatant arrogant greed in a
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: move of staggering narcissism, because we are talking about Robert Hanson.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: Robert Hanson had previously reported a burglary at his own
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: home in the spring of nineteen eighty one. Yes, yes,
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: of course he did. He claimed someone had broken in
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: and stolen his prized hunting trophies, items he had ensured
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: for thousands of dollars. Now, I don't know this to
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: be true, but when you have a bestie who was
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: like the executive director whatever, some executive at an insurance company, hmm,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: you might know how to do things. Just saying don't
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: know that to be true. But remember that guy did
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: lie a lot for him, for alibis not a fan,
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: not a fan of those guys. Now, after collecting the
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: settlement money from the insurance company, he didn't just walk away.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: He used the cash to fuel his obsessions, putting the
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: proceeds towards a new airplane and leasing more bakery space.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: But Robert Hanson couldn't bear to actually part with his victories.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: When the troopers entered the family room, they didn't find
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: empty hooks or bare walls. They found the very items
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: Hanson had sworn were gone. The stolen trophies were proudly displayed,
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: an illegal museum of death that Hanson had simply hidden
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: until the check cleared. That's right, all that stuff down
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: there that Cindy recorded sing Yeah, a lot of that
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: stuff he said was stolen you guys two years before. Hi, lady,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: so happy to see you. We always catch you for
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: making dinner good for you. I am, I am feeling better.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: I'm so happy to be here with all of you guys.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: It's like I get to hang out and talk with
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: my besties. I love it now. It was a no
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: big deal crying to Hanson, but to the investigators it
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: was the first concrete proof that the meat baker was
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: a habitual, calculated liar who stole even from himself. Hanson
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: had built his life on the idea that he was
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: the smartest man in the room, and, quite frankly, considering
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: how these Alaskan investigators did, he was probably right to
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: feel that way half the time, because he believed he
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: could hide a stolen Grizzly hide on his own wall
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: and no one would ever be brave enough or care
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: enough to look. And turns out he was wrong. He's
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: very wrong. Now. If Robert Hansen's insurance fraud was about greed,
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: his secondary obsession, the five finger discount was about arousal.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: We've talked briefly about this and the FBI noted and
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: told them that bear killer would also have problems with
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: Arson in kleptomania. And we know that he had a
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: history of the stolen chainsaw. That was for Hiss Dad,
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: because he just wanted to be a good sign, which
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: was all lies, all lies. Oh, you gotta go to
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: where Kelly, we have a good name. See you as
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: the replay Krube. Now, as troopers moved deeper into the house,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: they realized they weren't just searching the home of a
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: potential serial killer. They were inside the warehouse of a compulsive,
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: high flying kleptomaniac. Now, for years, Hansen had used his
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: Piper super cub as more than just a transport for
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: his victims. That's right, He's very brazen. It was also
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: his getaway vehicle for burglary. Yeah, just to throw that
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: on top of their He would spot remote cabins from
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: the air land and then strip the properties of anything
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: he fancied. And it is of my opinion we don't
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: know this to be true, but I'm gonna bet that
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: there were some victims he probably took took him to
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: these cabins. Could remember he did say to I want
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: to say with Cindy. There's so many of them. I
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: think it was Cindy, though he definitely said, oh, I'm
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: going to take you to my cabin, which he did
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: not have. Well, he has that hitting cabin and seaward,
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: but that wasn't even We don't even know anything about them.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: But if he ever took any of these women to
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: cabins that he broke into, I would be very curious
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: to know what we do not know. Now, victims like
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: Ward Holbert had long suspected their burglar was airborne. Quote,
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: every single one of them was broken into by someone
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: in an airplane. Now, when the search began, the police
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: didn't just have a warrant for murder. They also brought
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: with them a long list of stolen property reports and
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: we got those listed here page one. That's all page one.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: How many is there? There's one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: fifteen items just on this list, which also includes black
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: bear hide, sheep scout, sheepskin, and beaver high. Because you're like,
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: you know what, that's a good look in sheepskin. I'm
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: gonna take that. What a weird thing to steal some guns? Now,
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: the sheer volume. As I just said, that was just
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: one list. The sheer volume of stolen goods was staggering.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: Items were stashed in the attic, tucked behind chair parts
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: in the garage, and hidden in custom hitting compartments in
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: the family room. They found everything from CB radios, animal hides, batteries, chainsaws,
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: and guns. And I did include this, but he actually
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: stole guns from a gun store. Like this guy was
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: just stealing everything, killing everybody. Just he had to have
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: felt like he was untouchable because he wasn't looked into
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: for any of these burglaries or anything. But that's why
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: when we talked about his story of where he stole
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: them chainsaw for his dad, I was like, Oh, that's bullshit, sir,
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: that's there's just no way that's true. And it wasn't.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: It wasn't at all. Now because Hanson was a convicted
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: felon following his arson conviction in Iowa, he was legally
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: barred from owning firearms, but he hoarded weapons like a dragon,
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: very much like there's so many weapons in that house,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: including exotic single shot pistols and high caliber revolvers. Most
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: of those he stole. I don't know if they decided
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: all of them were stolen or not. I don't know.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: But also remember when he did, he was like, Oh,
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: I could never own a gun because I'm a fellain,
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: and oh would never break the wall. I think that.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: Didn't you say that for like Cindy Hayes or Christy Hayes. No,
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: Christy Hayes, I think so, Oh I would never or no,
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: I think it was the Jane Doe's school teacher. There's
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: so many, and I hate that I forget because there
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: are so many. I blame alas goodsirphone. Now. The most
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: disturbing revelation came later in Hanson's own words. His cryptomania
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: wasn't a financial necessity for him, it was a physiological release,
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: if you catch my drift there. He described the act
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: of theft in explicitly sexual terms, admitting that the rush
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: of walking out of a store with a stolen item
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: proved a near orgasmic thrill. Quotes I cannot believe he
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: said this out loud. Quotes, I damn near ejaculate in
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: my pants. If I could walk into a store and
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: take something and get out the dang door with it
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: and not pay for it. What ew ooh oo. Now
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: this was the same hunter's high he felt when he
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: tracked women in the woods to Hanson. Everything a chainsaw,
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: a bear hide, or a human life was just another
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: trophy to be taken, hidden and possessed. He thought he
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: deserved everything and was entitled to everything. How did he
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: have time to bake? That is a question I still have. Well,
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: he did have staff, but like we do know that
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: he said he wouldn't sleep for several nights on end.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: But also I don't know if that's true. That's only
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: what he says, and I believe not a lot of
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: what he says like at all. So Yil, He's so gross.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: I hate him. Now. As the search moved into the
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: private sanctuary Robert shared with Darla, the investigators moved the
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: headboard of their waterbed talked away. In that hidden space
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: was an aviation map. Scattered across it were twenty four
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: hand drawn X marks. These weren't official aviation landmarks or
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: radio frequencies. There were hand written asterisks, tiny and precise,
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: marking specific remote locations in the bush. Look at that map. Now,
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: they don't know what it is yet, but we do,
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: and look at I mean, ugh, it's definitely a death map.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: There's no other way to describe that, oh, Terry. Now,
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: the search had dragged on for hours and the team
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: was hitting a wall of exhaustion. The jackpot evidence remained
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: elusive until Lieutenant Kasnik volunteered for the most miserable job
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: of the day, the addict. Now, this is Alaska in October,
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: so it can't be at least it's not like super
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: High okay see, but certainly not great now. The attict
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: was a low clearance nightmare filled with seven inches of
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: fiberglass insulation, which it's a lot, but again, they're in Alaska,
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: so very very necessary. Kasnick, who was violently allergic to
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: almost everything, spent hours on his hands and knees crawling
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: across the ceiling beams in the dim light of a flashlight,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: meticulously probing the pink sea for anything that didn't belong.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: And I don't know, did they like draw straws, Like
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: how did this guy get stuck with it? He's allergic?
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: Or well? We do know that cops are a bunch
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: of them are assholes. So there are words not ours.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: Take that up with Sergeant Walter Gilmour. That's what he
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: called them, all right, now. Early on he found more
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: of Hansen's insurance fraud trophy collection. If that's right, the
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: black bear hide, the sheepskin, and beaver hide stashed fifteen
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: feet from the chimney. But as these were hauled downstairs,
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: the heavy sense of disappointment remained. They were looking for
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: the murder kit, but it wasn't there. With only a
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: few square feet of the massive addict left to check,
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: Kasnik reached deep into a corner of the insulation near
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: the garage. His fingers hit a hollowed out space hidden
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: beneath the fiberglass. It was, as the investigators later described
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: Christmas morning. Hidden in the dark, itchy crawl space was
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: the physical manifestation of the FBI's profile. The cash contained
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: several more guns, including the holy grail of investigation, the
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: Ruger Many fourteen two twenty three caliber. This was the
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: specific rifle that matched the shellcasings found in the shallow
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: grays of the Nick River. If you could just give
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: me just a second, all right, I'm sorry, I just
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: had to check on little Long to see what he
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: was doing. My apologies. What are you missing, sweetie? Oh?
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: I should just plug right into your tower, honey, Okay,
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: all right, you do whatever you do. You know more
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: about deck stuff than I do. All right. So there
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: was also another aviation map identical to the one behind
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: the headboard, marked with the same chilling ex coordinates. Then
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: there they were a bag of jewelry that included a
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: gold arrowhead necklace. These weren't darlas, they were the souvenirs
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: Hansen took to relive the moments he had stolen from
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: his victims. He's working on stuff over here. Oh, Chat
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: was liking the music. I love that, Dave. How are
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: you good to see you, sir? Good to see you.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: I hope you've been taking good care of yourself. You've
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: been missed. I've been missed. I've been gone for like
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: a week. So look at that. Oh my gosh, Chat's
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: not going to know what to do. Dave, You and
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: I show up after being gone for a while. It's
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: a party, everybody. It's a party anyway. I do hope
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: you're doing well. Good sir, good sir. Now. The jewelry
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: was the most haunting find. As Special Agent John Douglas
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: had predicted, Hanson couldn't just kill. He had to own.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: Among the trinkets was a piece of jewelry that would
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: eventually provide the breakthrough the troopers needed to identify a
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: Jane Doe, linking a face and a name to a
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: cold grape. Lieutenant Kasnick emerged from the attic covered in
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: fiberglass and dust and probably had an asthma attack for
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: sure later, but he was carrying the end of Robert
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: Hansen's freedom and Polly Prissy pan Okay, y'all, isa, did
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: somebody send it out like invitations? Like? Hey, I didn't
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: even tell anybody I was coming back tonight except Terry. Anyway,
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: I love seeing all you wonderful people here. It's so
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: nice to see you. Now. While the physical evidence was
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: being hauled out of the attic in evidence bags, the
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: social evidence, the carefully constructed walls of alibis that had
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: protected Robert Hanson for years, was beginning to crumble right
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: on his front lawn, oh So samp Now at one pm,
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: Darla Hanson stood in her kitchen, trapped in a nightmare,
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: watching the clock and looking out her window. There she
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: saw a familiar face, Joe Anne Henning, a neighbor and friend,
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: standing on the sidewalk talking to the police. And that
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: last name it should sound familiar Henning in Summer All
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: where the Alibi friends for quite a few times. There
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: she saw a familiar Oh I alread read that apologize now.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: Joe Anne hadn't been part of the raid. She was
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: simply passing by, saw the armada of patrol cars and
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: stopped to see what could possibly be happening at the
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: home of the meek Baker, which is very interesting because
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: the Hennings did not live by there, and they lived
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: at the end of a call to sack joe Wadanne.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: But okay, I mean maybe I don't know Joanne. But now,
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: But as the officer spoke to her, the weight of
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: a secret she had been caring for months finally became
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: too heavy to hold. Joe Anne dropped a bombshell that
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: would effectively dismantle Hanson's primary defense. She told the officers
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: that her husband, John Henning, had confessed to her that
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: he'd lied to the police over the summer to protect
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: his friend Bob because he's a good friend like that.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, don't get me wrong, There's a lot of
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: things I would do for my besties. But I don't know.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, when you're being accused of assault and kidnapping,
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: and raping another person. I don't know if I'm gonna
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: talk about your albis. Guys, don't count me out, Okay,
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: Amy looks like what No, I just kidd now, this
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: wasn't just a neighborly white lie. This was the alibi
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: that had stalled the investigation into Cindy Paulson's kidnapping months earlier.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: That's right, is because what those two a holes lied
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: to the police about that she had to run off
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: because she felt that she wasn't believed, she wasn't wrong,
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: the investigators did not believe her, and then she had
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: to run off to Oregon. She didn't feel safe there
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: anymore to run away with their pamp come back, go
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: through everything she has already because those two John's, John
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: Samerle and John Henning were liars who lied to the
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: police about their bestie. Here's the thing. Even if you
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: had just picked up a prost team, you and a
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: lie because you're like, oh, the girl robbed me or whatever. No,
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: why even involve yourself in the first place. That sounds
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: like a them problem. Sounds like they condone a lot
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: of bad behavior, those drawns. It is all I have
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: to say about that, not a fan of those two
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: guys at all. They are on my pos list of
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: this story, which is basically a scroll. Oh Amy stepped away.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: Remind me to tell Amy we need a scroll now.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: At this time, remember John Henning had told the Anchorage
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: Police Department that Robert was with him during the hours
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: Cindy was being held at gunpoint. I can't remember which
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: one was. Which one was like, oh, we were having
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: pizzas and beers, and the other ones like, oh, we
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: were planning a fishing trip from midnight to five in
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: the morning, as two forty year old men do on
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: a Friday or something. It was ludicrous. They were ludicrous alibis.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: But anyway, it was that respectable word that had caused
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: investigators to look at Cindy as an unreliable girl and
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: Hansen as a victim of a false accusation. I just
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: I can't stress it enough that all of these so
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: called respectable people are garbage. All of their choices were
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: not respectable choices at all at all. As a matter
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: of fact, the only people I find respectable in this
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: whole story are those people that were trying to do
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: the right thing. Those that includes the victims who were
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: trying to get help for the horrible things that have
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: happened to them. But so far, all of these respectable
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: people all garbage, all of them. I get no respect
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: from Lemma. Now. Joanne was cooperative but firm. She wanted
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: the truth to come from the source. However, her husband
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: was away in King Salmon, but she provided his and
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: promised to reach out to him. The officers, sincing the
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: dominoes were finally falling, told her to have him call collect. Oh, Amy,
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: I see her back now for the last episode, I'm
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: going to need the pos scroll and a hero scroll.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: Just selection. That's right. We will be doing Laura Owens tomorrow,
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: Cash Clarb with Lama. We'll be back guys eleven Am
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: and Buffy. I'm so excited. I can't wait to add
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: that in my life. Oh, I'm so excited about that. Now.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: The officers, sincing the dominoes were finally falling, told her
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: to have him call collect, which is hilarious and I
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: love that now. True to his wife's word. At noon
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: the following day, John Henning placed the call. He admitted
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: to the Anchorage authorities that he'd been quote sort of
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: roped into providing an alibi okay, sir. In the world
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: of Robert Hanson and friendship wasn't about mutual respect, obviously,
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: it was about utility. He had manipulated a good man
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: into becoming a shield for a monster. Now that's what
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: a lot of people like to write in this story.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know about all that. I don't know.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: I don't think so, I don't think so at all.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: And I don't think he's a good guy. So there's that.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, listen, they know that dancers and sex workers
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: have gone missing, they've shown up dead. It is public
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: knowledge of what's going on. And you have a friend
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: who is you know, frequents these things and has had
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: what one, two, three actual legal things that are have
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: been well, yes, because they knew about Cindy. There's Susan
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: Hepberd and Patty Roberts, which were both public, and those
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: shitty friends gave an alibi for that one, and then
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: you have it again for Cindy, and you're let's not
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: play the whole well, he manipulated people to live for him. No, no, no,
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: just a lot of assholes in this story is what
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: it is now with the alibi gone, the last legal
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: hurdle for the troopers had vanished. Robert Hansen was no
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: longer than the man who was somewhere else. He was
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: the man whose house was full of stolen jewelry, whose
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: attic held a murder weapon, and whose friends were finally
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: telling the truth finally, thank god, because guess what, oh oh,
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: you won't find this out till later. But between the
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: time that Cindy because they didn't know this woman was missing,
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: but between the time that Cindy was abducted and kidnapped
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: in the police knew about it, to the time they
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: arrested Roberts in October, he did in fact kill another
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: girl and bury her in the woods, and we'll talk
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: about her in the next episode. But somebody did lose
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: their life because of John Henning and John summerle y'all
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: got blood on your hands. You got lots of blood
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: on your hands, both of you guys, and I don't
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: like you, so just been out there. Fuck those guys
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: all right. I don't know if they're still with us,
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: but you could have done better. You got blood on
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: your hands, both of you guys. Do now. The search
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: of the home was a forensic operation, but the interview
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: of Darla Hanson was a human tragedy. As the sun
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: began to tell over Anchorage, Sargent Hoggsmen Trooper von Klassen
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: an Anchorage Police Department investigator Maxine Ferrell sat down with
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: the woman who had shared a life with Robert Hanson
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: for two decades now. Despite her tall, big bone struck stretcher,
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: Darla didn't meet the investigators with defiance. Instead, they found
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: a woman who was soft spoken, gentle, and somewhat shy.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: She didn't hold back and was a willing talker, but
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: she really had nothing to reveal. The investigator struck a
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: somber tone in their notes. They since that Darla had
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: already suffered under the weight of being married to Robert.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: Yes girl, likely from the emotional abuse and the constant
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: stress of his petty legal troubles. There was an ineffable
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: quality about her, a profound seriousness that suggested she had
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: been the only adult in the room for twenty years.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: She looked drained, like a woman who had spent her
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: life trying to anchor a man who was secretly a monster.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: And I do believe she tried her best. She is
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: a very religious woman. Therefore it's kind of requirement that
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: you are forgiving and all of that. And I also
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: think that's why Roberts stayed with her a lot, because
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: you know you're just going to use that against them.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: You're like, well, you can't be mad at me. You
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: gotta forget me, poor Darla. Now, as the interview progressed,
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: the three investigators reached a collective conclusion. Darla Hanson knew nothing.
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: It seemed eerie to the veteran law enforcement officers that
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: a woman could share a bed, raised children, and cook
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: meals for a man for decades without ever seeing the
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: blood on his hands. She loved him no matter what
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: he did, believing his faults were limited to theft and
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: social awkwardnesses. And because the investigation was still at a
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: critical stage, the officers were not at liberty to tell
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: Darla the fool truth. They didn't tell her that her
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: husband wasn't just a thief or a stuttering baker. He
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: was a suspected serial killer. I mean, I don't even
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: know how you tell a woman that to be like,
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: who even how even do you approach someone like Darla
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: and give them just life altering news, like because that
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: changes everything everything for her. She's a very strong woman,
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: and I adore her now. As they walked away from
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: the interview, the investigators were haunted by a single question,
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: how would she handle the news? I shouldn't get a
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: hold of myself. I think I would know what's coming
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: next since I wrote this, But I'm like, let's talk
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: about it now. But that's just how it goes, right?
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: How would she handle the news? Right? They looked at
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: this woman whose life was built on faith and family
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: and realize that in a few hours her entire twenty
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: year history would be revealed as a lie. She wasn't
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: just losing a husband, she was losing her sense of reality.
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: How many people have to wake up and realize that
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: the persons sleeping next to them is a stranger capable
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: of unspeakable crimes. And you know, I don't know anything
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: about Darla. I don't even after this. She gets a
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: very private life for good reasons. Because of her children.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: They were not very old. I don't know how old
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: they were exactly under ten, maybe, but I bet she
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: was way more concerned with Robert's mother and the children
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: more so than herself. Is kind of the person I've
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: learned her to be. I mean, how do you tell
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: how do you tell your children? You know? I mean,
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: I know parents have to tell their kids that the
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: parent goes to jail all the time. But a serial killer.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: Yikes the thumbnail for tomorrow. Oh oh, I can't wait
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: to see it now. While the forensic teams were dismantling
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: the meek Baker's domestic sanctuary on Old Harbor Road, a
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: different kind of dismantling was beginning at the Trooper station.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: Sergeant Glenn Floth and Trooper Darryl Gallion were about to
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: engage in a five hour psychological chess match with Robert Hanson.
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: Can we just take like a few minutes for any
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: like two minutes to take care of something real quick?
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: You want to put on some of that jazz music
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: everybody loved for like two minutes and then I will
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: be right back in just minute. The side back but
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: the saat sutta da ba ba ba tat back at. Okay,
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: that's fun. That was That's funny. Me good choice, Sorry, mom, dude,
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: he called real quick. Apologize guys always, well, has it
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: got me? Setting up? I love seven up all right.
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: I don't care how much of an old lady it
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: makes me. I freaking love seven up. It's the best
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: of all the limited lines I had living off of
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: it now foring a week. So all right, so back
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: to where we were. Sorry about that, guys. Now. Following
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: the precise psychological blueprints provided by the FBI's Behavioral Science Unit,
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: Flaffy didn't just pick an interrogation room. He built a
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: whole feeder of guilt. M There's no pictures of this room,
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: but ma'am, I bet we would have loved it now
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: before Hanson ever walked through the door. The room was
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: decorated to act as a silent accuser. The staging was
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: designed to overwhelm Handsome's senses and trigger his core anxiety.
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: A gigantic map of the Nick River area dominated the wall,
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: with a massive circle enclosed the grave sites with the
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: bold lettering that said Hansen identified in this area. Have
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: any of you guys had to bring the receipts for
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: anything before and you're like, I am ready helped put
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: them on the wall with sticky tape everything. No, no,
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: just mean, okay, all right, all right, fine, Now there
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: were ten by twelve inch photographs of Sherry Morrow and
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: Paula Goulding, not as they were in life, but as
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: they were found in the first we're wait, no, that's
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: not But as they were found were placed directly where
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: he would sit. File folders were spread out with the
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: names of his closest associates, John Sommerle and I'm hitting
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: I'm sure and hunting partners those two guys. Most devastatingly,
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: a folder lay open with a photo of Darla Hanson,
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: signaling that his private world was no longer private. The
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: most calculated part of the opening was the silence. Flothy
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: and Gallion led Hanson into the room and then left
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: him alone for several minutes. The meek baker sat in
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: total isolation, surrounded by the faces of the women he
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: had hunted and the names of the people he had
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: lied to. The goal was to let the implication stew.
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: They wanted him to look at that red circle on
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: the map and realize that the asshole cops he thought
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: he had outsmarted had actually spent months building a cage
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: around him, well like three of the non asshole cops actually,
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: but the other assholes were still running about or a
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: boot do they say have boats in Alaska? With a thing?
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: By Canada Dave, a resident Canadian does Alaskan say about?
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: Do you does that side of Canada? I don't know.
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: I have questions. Now, Hanson walked into that room thinking
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: he was helping with an investigation. He had no idea
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: the troopers had already decided he would never be a
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: free man again. Flouty's strategy was layered. Even if the
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: house search turned up nothing new, they were ready to
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: hammer him on this Cindy Paulson case. Finally, somebody thinking
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: that that deserves justice. Between the kidnapping and first degree
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: sexual assault charges, they were looking at a potential one
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: hundred and twenty nine year sentence. But let's not forget
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: we're in Alaska, where you can murder children and get
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: out in six months. So I don't think those numbers
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: really mean a whole lot. Maybe they changed the laws
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: by the eighties, I would hope so. But now Hanson
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: sat down, adjusted his glasses and looked at the photo
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: of his wife. The casual, relaxed tone of the interview
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: was about to begin, but the trap was already bolted.
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: Shit Just like that, Camper Hanson. The clock struck nine
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: to oh one a m. As Sergeant Hogsfenn's finger pressed
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: the doorbell at the Hansen residence. The tape recorder clicked
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: on at Trooper headquarters. The two worlds of Robert Hansen,
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: the suburban father, and the apex predator were about to
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: collide in a synchronized strike. Ergents' floth and Gallion didn't
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: start with the bodies and the dirt. Their strategy was
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: a slow, methodical crawl through the timeline of Hanson's life.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: They wanted to talk. They wanted to walk him through
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: every mistake he'd ever made, from the small crimes to
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: the ultimate ones, like the nineteen sixty arson conviction in Iowa,
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: the nineteen seventy one kidnapping and assaults that first put
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: him on the Alaska radar, the nineteen seventy six chainsaw
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: theft and various discrepancies in his hunting stories, and the
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: Hawk Lake cabin burglaries and the insurance fraud. They came
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: to play. All right, They're like, we don't have them
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: on murder yet, but this is pretty good. Oh wow, Okay.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: By starting with his past, they were signaling to Hanson
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: that they knew everything. The meek baker wasn't a clean slate.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: He was a ledger of escalating Devians. Now, the troopers
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: strictly avoided mentioning Cindy Paulsen for good reasons. They knew
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: Hanson was already represented by attorney Fred Dewey on that
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: specific charge. If they touched it, the interview would have
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: to stop and Dewey would be called. By keeping Sydney's
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: name out of the room, they kept Hanson's guard down.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: He believed he was just chatting about his life, unaware
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: that every word he spoke was being measured against the
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: forty eight page AFFI David and the forensic team currently
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: tearing through his attics. So not looking good for you, Robert. Now.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: As Gallions slated the tape and the Miranda rights were signed,
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: Hanson sat back, likely confident that he could stutter his
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: way through another misunderstanding, no idea that while he was
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: talking about his uncontrollable anger, the police were currently holding
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: the map that proved exactly where that anger ended. Now,
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: believing that the statue of limitations protected him from his past,
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: Hanson started to let the investigators peer into this, into
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: the distorted mechanics of his mind. Hansen openly admitted to
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: the nineteen seventy one kidnapping of Susan Heppard, even confessing
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: that he had pulled a gun on her as a
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: normal person does. It's fine, it was. It was just
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: a they just don't even next, don't don't. Don't worry
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: about that. Now. He dismissed his previous legal defense claims
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: of memory blackouts, admitting he had been fully aware of
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: his actions, which we all knew. Remember all those psych
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: of as where they were like, oh, he probably has
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: this and this and can't remember. It was all garbage.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: And he admitted it was all garbage, and I believed
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: it to all be garbage as well. Now, to Hanson,
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: these were dead cases, old trophies he could brag about
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: without facing fresh handcuffs. And I'm pretty sure he wasn't
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: wrong about that with the statue of limitations. But you
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: know now, he acknowledged a decade long pattern of picking
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: up dancers and prostitutes, but his denials remained firm. At
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: one point, force he claimed he'd never used a gun
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: to coarce them. He would never. I mean, he did
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: it that one time, but like he learned his lesson.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: He would never. He would never do that. He's just
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: not the kind of guy. Instead, he painted himself as
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: the victim of unfair pricing, admitting only to getting angry
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: when the women try to negotiate their rates. Oh I savage, Hello,
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: gets sir. I hope you're doing well. The most chilling
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: part of the recording is Hansen's explanation of his obsession
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: with Susan Hepberd. And it's crazy about this to me
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: is that he just says this all willy nilly, like
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: this is all just normal and fine, and it's like,
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: what No, So it revealed his whore Madonna complex, a
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: psychological split where women are either pure as in Madonna
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: or trash horse. Basically, all right, it's a it's a
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: complex that a lot of men seem to hold women too.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: To be quite honest, I'll be honest here. It's it's
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: that bias that let this all go on for so long.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: But it's one we commonly see, especially among serial killers
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: who kill women. Now, Susan Hepberd confounded him because she
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: didn't fit his binary thinking. In his own words, Hanson
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: described following her home and watching her through her apartment door.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: You sick freak weirdo. Did you just call Madona? Or
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: I mean that one? Maybe but not really. I don't
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: know now. Quote, I guess this sort of blue blew
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: my mind. That this girl would stand there in front
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: of me, there with no clothes on, just holding a
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: little towel in front of her. You'd expect something like
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: that out of a girl that you would see in
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: a bar, dancing topless. But this here was not that
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: type of girl in any way, shape or form. What
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: what first of all, is this how happened? Because we
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: know that she was warming her car up because she
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: had the engine on the block, and that's when he
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: tried to hit had a gun to her and said,
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: come with me. But sir, it's not all about you, okay.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: So you're like, well, she came to it, to the door,
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: and it's hell, I don't know. It's very confusing for me.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: Whether or not she's a madonna or a whore. I
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: don't know it too. It was weird. I didn't know
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: what to think now. Sergeant Gallon, playing the role of
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: this sympathetic listener to keep Hanson talking, leaned into Hanson's
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: distorted logic. When Gallion offered the prompt a decent girl
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: shouldn't do that, Hanson's response was a sharp and immediate No, no,
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: not women. They should never to Handhundson. A decent woman
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: who showed any vulnerability or his sexuality was broken, and therefore,
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: in his mind she became a target, even though he
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: is way more broken than all of us. But sure,
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: you go right ahead judging us. Okay, Now, this wasn't
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: just a conversation about a nineteen seventy one kidnapping. It
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: was the blueprint for how he selected his victims. He
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: punished the Madonnas for not being perfect and hunted the
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: horse because he believed the system wouldn't care. Now, as
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: the tape rolled, Hansen was inadvertently explaining why he felt
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: entitled to take the lives of the women whose photos
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: were currently staring him down from the desk. As the
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: interview pressed into its second hour, Sergeant Daryl Gallion shifted
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: from the facts of the past to the philosophy of
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: the predator. This was a sophisticated psychological maneuver Gallon was
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: offering Hanson and out. We've seen it numerous times in
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: interrogation videos. We've watched right a way to blame his
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: crimes on an uncontrollable bad side. Right, oh man, it's
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: not it's not your fault. We've all been there, right
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: like you in a different way right now. Galleon's approach
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: was designed to appeal to Hanson's ego while testing the
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: FBI's profile of a man with deep seated inadequacies. He
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: framed the urge to commit violence as a universal male experience,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: a struggle between a good side and a bad side
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: that sometimes forces a person to do things they can't stop. Quote,
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: there's a good side of us and a bad side,
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: and at times the bad side forces us and has
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: to do things that we can't stop. Am I too
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: far off on that, bob? Look at the game he's
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: playing good. If Hanson had agreed, he would have been
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: admitting to the compulsions and obsessions that drove him his
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: hunting of women. Right, Remember that all those psych profiles. Oh,
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: he was obsessive and composive about these things, which to
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: some degree, yes, but it was also a golden bridge
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: towards a confession of diminished responsibility. But Robert Hanson didn't
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: take the bait. No. In a move that highlighted his
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: cold and calculating nature, he rejected the idea that he
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: was out of control. That's right, there goes that insanity,
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: PA have a good dacer Danson. Admitting to a compulsion
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: was an admission of weakness. And if there was one
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: thing that Mick Baker despised, it was appearing weak. It's
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: kind of he claims to have done all the things
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: that he's done. So he rejected the unconscious excuse and
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: claimed that everyone knows exactly what is right and wrong.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: He argued that just because someone does something wrong, it
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: doesn't mean they've lost control over their body. That people
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: do wrong things knowing they are wrong, well, that is
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: not gonna look good in court for you. Roarts, not
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: at all. Sor you just basically were like I was
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: totally conscious of everything I was doing the whole time. Okay,
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: let's not get it twisted. Oh thank you, Dave. I'm
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: happy to be back as well. I've missed you and
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: I've missed everybody else. And trust me, my voice sounds
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: so much better than to a week ago. Now. He
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: wasn't a man possessed by a bad side. He was
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: a man who looked at wrong and chose it anyway.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: As Hansen sat there, surrounded by the photos of his victims,
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: he was effectively telling Galleon, I knew it was wrong,
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: and I did it because I wanted to. I mean,
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: there's no other way to take that, Robert, no other way. Now,
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: the casual atmosphere of the morning had evaporated. As the
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: clock passed noon, Flothy and Galleon tighten the noose, moving
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: from the philosophical good side bad side talk to hard
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: forensic reality. The interrogation shifted into a rapid fire sequence
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: of questions to link the mundane items in Hanson's life
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: to the horrors in the Alaskan bush. When asked about
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: ace bandages, Hansen had already made excuse attributing them to
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: having them to him having softball injuries. Anton gumme acrass
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: to anybody as a guy who plaze sports at all,
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: including softball. He doesn't. I don't know about that, but okay,
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: all right. He claimed to have them buy the millions.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: Then Flothy dropped the hammer. He moved the crime scene
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: photo of Sherry Morrow directly in front of Hanson. She
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: was found in a shallow grave with an ace bandage
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: around her head and face secured by metal clips like
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: a blindfold. There was a two twenty three shellcasing found
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: in the grave, Bob, do you see where we're coming
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: from on this, well, Hanson's meek Baker persona finally fractured.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: The stuttering cooperation was replaced by a defensive, high pitched snarl.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: You're saying, it's out of my gun. Bullshit, it's not.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: That's my handsome impression. I don't know. Well, oh, this guy.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: Despite the mounting evan which also, can we just talk
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: about how fucking horrific that is? Like why did he
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: cover her eyes? When did he cover her eyes like that?
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: You know, we don't know, horrible, horrible to think about. Now.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: Despite the mounting evidence, Hanson retreated into the classic sociopathic defense,
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: denial of the undeniable. I watched a lot of sociopaths
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: on Real Housewives this week. Let me tell you what
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: they're everywhere. Yes, he is a dumb douchebag. I agree.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: I agree. Now. Even when confronted with the fact that
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: multiple women over twelve years had given identical descriptions of
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: his clothes, his vehicle, and his weapons, Hanson struck stuck
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: to a single possible story that Susan Hepbard was the
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: only time, only till you guys, only time he'd ever
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: used a gun? Girl? What what this is why I
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: could never be an investigator ever. I'd be like what
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: he was trying to stone wall. Reality is what he
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: was doing. I only used the gun the one time
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: to try to abduct somebody, Like, just just the one time.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: I would never break the wall after when I ound,
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: even though I have a fuck ton of guns in
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: my house that I stole, but just just the one time.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: Now to Hanson, the truth wasn't a set of facts.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: It was whatever he said it was. At the exact moment, well,
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: the interview was ongoing, Flothy received a phone update from
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: the search team at Old Harbor Road. They had found
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: the disguise kit and the stolen insurance trophies. When confronted
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: with the thirteen thousand dollars fraud, Hanson's excuse was almost
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: comical in its audacity and the slide I've attached. If
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: you are a Game of Thrones fan, you know what
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: this douchebag actually said in this clip, But it says
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: Robert Hanson kind of forgot it. It's so to sick. Well,
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: Danny kind of forgot about the Iron Fleet. No, you
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: guys didn't ut it cut it anyway, all right, so,
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: but don't worry. Robert says something just as dumb. He
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: claimed the trophies had miraculously shown up in his back yard.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: Somebody stole all those animal heads and while we're sucking
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: and just put them in the backyard, you guys. That
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: is so he's so lucky. And he said he simply
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: forgot to tell state farm or return the money. Like. See,
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: he's such a bad liar. He has been such a
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: bad liar now for thirteen years that we know of
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: that all people had to do was ask like one
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: or two more questions and off the jail he would
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: have went. That's how bad of a liar he is,
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: he says, the dumbest shit. That doesn't make any sense. Now.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: As for the disguise kit, the wigs and glasses used
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: to hunt women in the city, he didn't deny owning it.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: He just said it didn't work for him. Like what
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: I throw does that even mean? Ugh, Well, it just
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: didn't work. Why would you have had them in the
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: first place? What do you need disguise as four? It's
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: like dark in Alaska, like eight months out of the
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: year or something like that. Like what okay, I wish
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: I didn't. I could not find believing me. I read
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: every single Newspiper article that came out in Alaska from
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: the years of nineteen seven to nineteen eighty three, and
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: none of them described what the disguise kit was. And like,
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: that's one of the gnawing questions at me about this
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: case is what were the disguises? Where they wigs, where
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: they glasses, the thick mustaches? How ridiculous were they? I
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: want to know what they were? So bad because nobody
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: said anything. His survivors anyway, said anything about him wearing
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: what looked like a disguise. He would just look like
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: himself the whole time. So I don't know. Scooby doo right, Yes,
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: totally genially. If it weren't for you meddling prostitutes, I
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: would have gotten away with it. Oh he's the worst.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: I hate this guy. Now. By the end of this
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: segment of the interview, the power dynamic had completely inverted.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: Hanson was no longer the smart their words, not mine,
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: hunter toy with the police. He was a cornered animal,
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: claiming that everyone, the victims, the witnesses, the insurance companies,
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: and the ballistic experts, was wrong and only he was right,
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: So some mean like Lisa Barlowe, if you know you
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: know elsewiy fans, Sorry, I've been in the housewife world
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: for a very long time. This week, now, Robert Hanson
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: wasn't going to admit to a thing. He was betting
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: that his mask of sanity could hold up against the
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: mountain of physical evidence. But he didn't know yet that
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: the most damning piece of evidence, the aviation death map,
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: was already in the trooper's hands. Sergeant Gallion, leaning on
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: the FBI's profile of Hanson's deep seated sexual inadequacy, began
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: to speak the killer's language. It was no longer just
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: a cop. He was acting as a mirror to Hanson's
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: darkest justification patients, you know what we should do and others.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: Once we get through a good part of our Marvel marathon.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: Over on Discord, we should watch Minehunters again, because I
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: haven't watched it since they came out. I'll be honest,
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: I remember like most of it, so we should totally
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: do that. Speaking of the Mine Hunters now, Galen Galleon
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: began by echoing the very prejudice Hanson relied on to
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: stay invisible for a decade. He spoke of prostitutes as
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: beneath the rest of us, suggesting that society doesn't mourn
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: the passing of a woman from the avenue. It was
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: a cold, calculated bit of bait. Gallion was signaling that
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: he understood why someone might think these women were targets
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: that wouldn't be missed. I mean, it wasn't just Hanson's thinking.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: It was literally reinforced by investigators every step of the way,
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: and if not by them, then parole officers, and if
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: not by them, then I'm sorry, parole board, and then
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: parole officers and literally everyone. He had full raisen to
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: believe that nobody cared because guess what, they didn't really
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: care until body started piling up, and it took like
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: four of them before they're like, ooh, hey, guys, this
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: isn't It's not great. Not great. Then Gallian pivoted to
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: the core of Hanson's trauma, his high school years. Get
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: over it, Okay, get over it, get over it. It's
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: a forty two year old man at this point. Grow up, Hanson,
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: grow up now. He painted a picture of young Bob Hanson,
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: who was rejected and dictated to by women, only to
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: find that as an adult with money, he could finally
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: buy the control he never had. The room went silent
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: as Galleon laid out the transition from customer to predator. Quote,
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: then comes the time you pull out the gun and
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: the binding instrument shoelaces, wire, ace, bandages, or handcuffs. Then
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: you're in control, and for a change, it's you who
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: determines what you get. For a split second, Hanson took
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: a little nibble, took a little nibnibb. He shifted in
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: his chair and admitted that when you pay, you can dominates.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: That's not how that works. But okay, But as soon
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: as the words kidnapping or murder surfaced, the steel shutters
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: came back down. Hanson's sociopathic armor was thick. He would
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: admit to the logic of the predator, but never the actions.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: The investigators then pivoted to Hanson's extra curricular activities. They
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: confronted him with his advertisements in the Sunday single section
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: of the Anchorage Daily News. You guys, this is wild.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: I don't even understand it. And we'll go further into
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: this in the next episode. I have a lot, there's
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: a lot more to this kind of but I do
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: not understand this chapter, this plan. It's driving me crazy
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: because I'm like, I don't even understand what you're in
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: gold here. But we're not going to get too far
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: into it in this one. We will the next one,
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: you guys, and you're going to be like, what's so weird?
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: It's weird now anyway. So they confronted him about his
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: advertisement in the Sunday single section. While his wife, Darla
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: and the kids were away in the lower forty eight
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: and Europe for summer vacation, the meek baker was actively
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: hunting for new partners. But as I said, it's actually
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: weirder than that. But we'll get into that next week.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: Hanson tried to play it off as Ennison's just having
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: coffee with ladies who answered the ad while he was,
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: you know, apparently happily married man of twenty years, as
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: one does, as one does. But the troopers knew the timeline.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: One woman had come to his house but would invite,
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: and she was lucky. The next visitor in that sequence
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: was Cindy Paulsen. Now Galleon's frustration finally boiled over. He
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: laid out the statistical impossibility of Hansen's innocence. How could
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: dozens of women over thirteen years independently invent the same
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: story about a stuttering baker with a plane. I mean,
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: this is the seventies and eighties. There is no Facebook
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: groups of dirt bags or douchebags or don't date this guy.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: There's none a fat around and to all have the
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: same story. Oh not good. How could they all describe
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: the same bulock, the same weapons, and the same museum
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: of death in his basement? Now Galliam looked him in
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: the eye and said, quote, you don't even believe that,
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: and hopefully you don't even believe that, and hopefully you
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: don't think we're stupid enough to believe that, Like Sarah, listen,
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: all right, we're not dumb. Stop stop treating it's like
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: we're down. Okay. But Robert Hanson sat there, a married
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: man with a disguised kit in his attic and twenty
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: four X marks on his map, and continue to tell
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: the troopers that they and the rest of the world
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: were simply wrong. He was a man who believed that
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: if he didn't say the words in reality doesn't exist.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, how many people do you know like
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: that in real life? I me those people are the worst,
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: the worst. They're like, well, if I just don't acknowledge it,
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: it's not real right now. The afternoon session at Trooper
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: headquarters became a theater of the absurd, As if it
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: wasn't already, Robert Hanson, the man who had spent years
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: hunting women like game, suddenly attempted to cast himself in
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: the role of the grieving family man of buckle up, guys,
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: buckle up for this drama. It was a performance that
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: Sergeant Flaffey and Gallion watched with clinical detachment, knowing exactly
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: what was being pulled from his house at that very moment.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: So Hanson began to pivot towards his family, weaponizing the
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: grief of his children to appear human. He spoke of
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: the awful lot of grief his previous jail stens had
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: caused his son and daughter. He painted a heartbreaking picture
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: of his son bring his head when they drove past
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: the Eagle River jail or crying in the cockpit of
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: the super club when they flew over the prison during
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: hunting trips. Daddy, please don't go back there again. Shut
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: the fuck up. Like, yes, I feel horrible for those kids,
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: but like you literally had other women that you murdered.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: You took out there to murder in that same plane. Sir,
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: you want to be like but my kids, No, I
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: don't care about your kids. Hate that guy. To any
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: other audience, this might have seemed like a man who
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: had learned his lesson, but to the troopers it was
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: a chilling display of a sociopaths mimicry. He was using
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: his children's genuine trauma as a shield to argue that
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: he couldn't possibly be guilty of gory affairs because he
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: simply loved his family too much to hurt them. Again, No,
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: he did not, Oh did. Hanson sat in that room
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: trying to convince the law that he was a man
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: who avoided bad memories for the sake of his son,
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: while his garage was filled with the business cards of
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: dead women and his attic was stuffed with their jewelry.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: He was a man who flew his son over the
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: very river beds where he had discarded his victims, all
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: while claiming he quote didn't want to bring those memories back.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: This guy is just unbelievable. Unbelievable, and his kids did
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: have real trauma. I am not mocking the children at all,
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: All right, when their dad went to jail for the
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: chainsaw thing, Yeah, that affected him. Guess what, Robert so
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: did everything that came out afterwards. You did not ever
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: put your children above your urges and needs, did you? No,
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: not at all. Nevloffee then steered the conversation towards the
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: aviation maps. For thirty minutes, they poured over the topography
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: of the Nick River. In an attempt to explain away
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: his presence in the area where bodies were being found,
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: Hanson inadvertently placed himself near several of the grave site
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: go figure, He admitting admitted to being on the neck
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: with his friend John Sumrawl many times. I mean, no
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: surprise they all hunted together. But however, when asked about
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: John Henning, the man who provided his alibi for the
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: night of Cindy Paulson's escape, Hanson's story became unbelievable. He
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: tried to downplay the relationship, claiming he didn't spend a
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: tremendous amount of time with Henning, even though he claimed
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: he was Henning for beers and pizza on the night
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: of the kidnapping. Yet now he barely knew the man
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: and spoiler alert. Henning was the first person he called
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: after Cindy got away. Guess who rushed by his side
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: in the morning, John Henning. He barely knew him, barely
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: knew him. Okay, okay, interesting? Interesting of the two Johns,
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: which one He's like, Oh yeah, I'm good buddies with
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: this one, But this one I don't know. Interesting. Now,
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: the five hour psychological siege had reached its breaking point.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: Sergeant Gallion, his patience finally warned then by a morning
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: of academy award performances and logical denials, stopped playing the
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: sympathetic listener. He laid the grim reality of the last
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: thirteen years directly at Hanson's feet. I wouldn't even lasted
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: that long at all. I would allowed to face him time.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: This is why I can't be a detective. No, no, no.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: Gallian didn't just present evidence. He presented a pattern. He
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: walked through the reports nineteen seventy one, nineteen seventy three,
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: nineteen seventy five, nineteen seventy nine, noting that the only
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: thing that changed in over a decade was the name
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: of the girl on the header. That's right, they all
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: can expect in somehow to Gallian, the statistical impossibility of
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: Hanson's innocence was an insult to his intelligence. Quote, you
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: traded me like some morons sitting here. I believe what
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: those girls said. Bob, Yeah, Bob. Hanson, cornered by the
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: sheer weight of the repetition, finally dropped the meek baker mask.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: His response was telling, do you want to convict me?
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: On that? It wasn't a denial of the act, It
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: was a realization of the legal consequence. It's kind of
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: a so are you thinking about arresting me? But I mean,
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: joie is what that question was about. Now, for the
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: first time since the armada arrived at his door, Robert
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: Hanson truly understood the gravity of his situation, the back
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: passing his term for the historical crimes he thought were
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: safely behind him. I to open this sudden up here,
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: so also be prepared for all the lumba burbs. I
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: just remembered. You're welcome. I know you missed him. Okay, sorry,
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: all right. So the back passing his term for the
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: historical crimes he thought were safely behind him was merging
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: with the current murders of Sherry Morrow. Hansen began to
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: wiggle in his chair the you know, as a predator
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: who realized the cage was finally locked. Quote. I think
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: this is becoming as serious as hell, he muttered. I
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: think I want to talk to an attorney. After five hours, sir,
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: You're like, I think I'm going to need the attorney now,
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: you think? Sergeant Flothy didn't hesitate. As soon as the
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: request for a council was made, the conversation was over,
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: and at one fifty six pm, the click of the
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: tape recorder signaled the end of the interview, but the
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: beginning of the end for Robert Hanson. Flothy stood up
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: and occasionally placed officially not occasionally officially, placed Hanson under
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: arrest for the kidnapping and rape of Cindy Paulsen. It
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: was the safety net charge they had planned from the start,
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: a rock solid case that ensured Hanson wouldn't leave the
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: building with the forensic team. While the forensic teams continued
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: to process the twenty four X marks on the map,
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: Robert Hanson was led away in handcuffs. Yay, finally, everybody
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: run the blah blah, yeah. Yeah. He had walked into
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: that room believing he was the smartest man in Anchorage.
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: I mean maybe top five. We've we've seen their best
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: in sikes. He had walked into that room believing he
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: was the smartest man, a hunter who had outmaneuvered the
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: law for twelve years, but he left it as a
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: prisoner for like ever. That's right, let's celebrate, celebrating. I
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: don't think we have a celebration noise, but that's okay,
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: So happy, all right. So the arrest of Robert Hansen
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: sent a shock wak un of a clause. Thank you,
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: We've done it. We've done it. We've made it to
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: the arrest. It only duk nine episodes. Well it only
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: took them thirteen years, so we are doing better technically
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: than they were now. For those who bought their morning
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: bread at Hanson's Bakery or lived on Old Harbor Avenue,
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: the man described and the news reports a serial predator
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: and kidnapper, did not compute with the meek baker they
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: saw every day. Court records revealed a history of psychiatric
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: evaluations dating back to nineteen sixty and again in nineteen
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: seventy two, with diagnosis suggesting schizophrenia and memory loss. To
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: the legal system, these were potential red flags or defense strategies.
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: They were all of bullshit. But to his neighbors and friends,
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: they were invisible. The man they knew wasn't a rambling,
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: disjointed patient. He was a calculated, high functioning pillar of
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: the community. In the days following October twenty seventh, the
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: media began to interview those in Hanson's media orbit. What
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: emerged was the portrait of man who had perfectly mimicked
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: the traits of a good citizen. You know, who can't
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: do that. People's chizophren the enda too, all right, that's
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: how that disease works at all. All right. He wouldn't
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: be on a bakery, he wouldn't be going to work
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: all the time, he wouldn't be flying. We want to
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: be doing any of those things, all right. He's a liar,
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: liar who lied now. Neighbor James C. Robertson praised Hanson
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: as a real fine neighbor who was quiet and resourceful,
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: noting his active participation in local projects to improve streets
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: and sewers. What a neat guy. Now. One of Hanson's employees,
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: Robin Thompson, recalled a boss so nice that he was
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: planning to take his and her children trick or treating together.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: He was already organizing Thanksgiving and Christmas parties for the staff.
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: I don't know about you, guys. No, they don't know
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: yet that he's accused of of my okay, but I'm
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: pretty sure as soon as that gets put out there, like, oh,
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: could you imagine being one of the females that worked
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: in his bakery, because that record a few of them,
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: I would be like thanks. Not everyone had super nice
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: things to say about Hansoon, though at the bakery he
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: was known as a relentless worker. While Sun employees not
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: Robin apparently noted a bad temper and impatience over small details.
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: It was viewed as the cork of a dedicated business owner,
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: not the rage of a killer. And I bet that
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: same auntitude is what he brought home to Darla, A
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: sir perfectionists and like things his way. I don't know.
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: As the indictments were handed down, the respectable Baker facade
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: disintegrated business. The bakery plummeted as the public began to
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: connect the smell of fresh rolls with the grim discoveries
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: being unearthed at the Nick River. However, admidst the horror
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: and the puzzled minds of his associates, A different kind
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: of resolved formed at Old Harbor Avenue. Well. The neighborhood
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: was in shock over Robert, they remained fiercely protective of
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: Darla Hansen and the children. They recognized that Darla was
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: the ultimate victim of Robert's longest con and while the
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: city turned its back on the Baker, the neighbors stayed
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: to support the family had left in the wreckage, which,
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. I commend them for being there
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: for Darla and the kids. Now they don't end up
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: having the best of time in Alaska, but people that
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: stick around and help them, who I think. I'll just
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: stick with my seven up Now, they were almost there,
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: you guys. Yeah. Now the handcuffs were on, but the
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: celebration was nonexistent. While the public saw an armada of
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: police and a captured baker, the district attorney and the
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: Alaska State Troopers sole a fragile tightrope. We're on a
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: fragile tightrope because as of October twenty seventh, nineteen eighty three,
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: Robert Hanson was not charged with a single murder yet.
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: So the only thing keeping Robert Hanson behind bars was
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: the testimony of Cindy Paulsen in the eyes of the
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: lall the meek Baker was currently being held for the
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: kidnapping and rape of a seventeen year old girl from
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: the Avenue, and this created a high stakes vulnerability for
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: the prosecution. Here this isn't it. We know it's rock solid,
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: but so we also have learned a what about how
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: Alaska is? So we know what matters for them. So
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: at the time, defense attorneys frequently attacked the character of
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: dancers and prostitutes to undermine their test. It really wasn't
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: that hard, and if Cindy faltered on the stand, or
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: if a jury refused to believe her, Hanson could walk.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: Also without a confession or a direct forensic link to
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: a specific corpse, missing didn't legally mean murdered. Now, they
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: also knew that the defense would immediately push for a
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: speedy trial, hoping to force the state's hand before they
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: could finish processing the mountain of evidence from the house,
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 1: which they did before and it worked in his favor,
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: so why not go forward again? The investigation now entered
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: the grueling phase of going to the ground. Having the
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: evidence was one thing, but proving it in a way
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: that would stick for multiple homicides was another, and law
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: enforcement began the thankless task of connecting the dots across
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: thirteen years of shadows. The troopers knew that Cindy Paulsen
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: had given them the key, but it was up to
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: them to build the prison. They had to turn missing
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: person files into murder convictions, one inch of Alaska soil
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: at a time. Why Dave, have a good night? We
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: miss you. Want don't be a stranger. It's good to
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: see you. Good sir, Have a good night now. The
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: discovery of the aviation maps transformed the investigation from a
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: localized kidnapping case into an epic tragedy of historical proportions.
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: For Sergeant Glenn Flothey, the transition from seeing hunting spots
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: to seeing graves was a moment of pure visceral horror
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: because they didn't pick it up at first. Guys, they
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 1: didn't at first. This takes place in January. This is
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: several months after he's arrested that they realize what this
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: map is. Sitting in a quiet office with Pat Dugan,
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: the weight of the twenty four X marks finally settled. Initially,
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: Flothy's brain tried to protect itself. Logic suggests that they
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: were just spots for sheep or bear hunting, but as
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: the silence in the room stretched, the cold chill took over.
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: The realization was a sudden, sickening epiphany. The map was
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: a ledger of the dead. Oh my god, what has
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 1: this man done? Flopy said, Oh, I think I just
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: saw some lightning. Hey, and how's the weather looking? You're
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: we were watching my weather for me? The store's here yet,
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: because I'm about to get wrecked for the next four hours.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: So I'm gonna try to speed this up a little
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: bit because there's a chance we could lose power and
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 1: I don't want to do that. So, you know, just
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: let me know it hasn't raining. But I'm pretty sure
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: that was lighting I saw, so let's see. Okay. So
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: to move from a gut failing to legal proof, Flofee
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 1: began a morbid game of topographical matching. He pulled the
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: case file for Joanna Messina, whose body had been found
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: on the Canai Peninsula. He called in investigator Chuck Miller
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: and asked him to point out the burial site on
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: the map. Miller pointed to a spot near Seaward in
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: the railroad tracks, only to find an ex already precisely
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: placed there, but Flothey didn't mark it. Hansen did, and
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: soon three more X marks confirmed to match the exact
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: locations of a Lucna, Annie, Sherry Morrow, and Paula Golding.
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: Look at that map, you guys. Oh my god, it's
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: so it's so chilling. I think that's make sure my
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: wind is open, real, Okay, let me go yell at
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: somebody to do it. They probably didn't hear me, and
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: they just ignored me like they always do. I love it.
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 1: That's terrifying. That's only one portion of the math, you guys,
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: just one. Now, by the way, the highlighted numbers those
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 1: were not there. They were literally just pencil exits. It
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: was not as obvious as this map looks. Now. This
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: is for our own being able to see things. It
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: did not have any of that. Now, with four confirmed matches,
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: the math became terrifying. There were twenty four marks. If
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: the first four were murder victims, the implication was that
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: at least at least twenty more women were scattered across
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: the Alaskan bush. And I think there's a lot more
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 1: than just them. The FBI's behavioral profile had predicted that
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: Hansen would keep trophies to relive his successes, but the
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 1: map was the ultimate trophy. By keeping one copy behind
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: his headboard, he wasn't just hiding it. He was sleeping
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 1: in the presence of his kills, mentally revisiting the Nick
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: River in the Mantuiska Valley every night. However, the Alaskan
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 1: climate provided Hanson with one last shield. As mid January approached,
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 1: the ground was frozen solid. The troopers knew where the
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: bodies were, but they couldn't dig. The investigation was put
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 1: on ice, if you will, until the spring thaw. Knowing
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: they couldn't recover the bodies yet, the troopers shifted tactics.
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 1: They began a camp pain of psychological warfare, strategically leaking
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: bits of evidence to the press, which, if you are
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: a real housewife, go to jail, straight to jail. Shouldn't
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 1: do that. Oh, I'm on a tornado watch right now,
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: little shit? Okay, fine, Hey, we open up that window, babe. Also,
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: apparently we're under a tornado watch right now. I just
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 1: what want we open the window? And we're on a
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 1: tornado watch right now? So well, I'm glad you know,
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: but I don't know. I'm literally I'm on a show
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 1: right now. Here. Did your mom reach out to you? Oh? No,
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 1: I see, I have like a slew of missed discord
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: messages over here even though she wasn't chatting. No, damn,
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 1: well what I was doing. Everything will be fine, but
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 1: it is supposed to be pretty bad till like two
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 1: in the morning. So all right, So they leaked part
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 1: stuff to the press. They wanted Hansen to sit in
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 1: his cell and read about what they found. They wanted
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 1: him to know that the meek Baker was gone, replaced
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: by a map with twenty four crosses that the whole
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 1: world was watching. That's not good for him now. As
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 1: the Alaskan winter locked the burial sites under feet of
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 1: ice and parma frost, the investigation moved from the rugged
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: wilderness into the quiet living rooms of grieving families and
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 1: the back rooms of local businesses. Since the X marks
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 1: on the map couldn't be evacuated, excavated, excavated you know
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 1: that word, mama, Yet the jewelry trail became the most
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 1: vital link between Robert Hansen and his victims. Sergeant Lyle
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: Hogsmen and Trooper von Klassen began the grueling process of
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 1: canvassing Anchorage, carrying these items like a grim traveling exhibit.
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 1: They sought out the mothers, sisters, and friends of every
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: woman who had vanished from the avenue over the last decade.
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: Look at that, some real officers doing some real investigating.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 1: For what's I'd love to see it now For many families,
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 1: excuse me, for many families, seeing a familiar necklace or
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 1: ring in the hands of state troopers was the moment
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 1: their flickering hope finally died. It was the definitive proof
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: that their loved ones hadn't just moved away or started
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 1: in life. They had encountered the baker. One of the
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 1: most significant breakthroughs came not from a family member, but
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 1: from a professional craftsman. The investigators took several pieces to
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 1: the Gold and Diamond Company in Anchorage. I don't know
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 1: what that weird noise is, but not a fan. The
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 1: owner immediately stopped at a specific fish shaped necklace. He
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 1: recognized it instantly because he had custom made it. Originally,
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: the charm had been a tie pin, and the jeweler
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 1: pointed out the microscopic hole where the pin had been
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 1: mounted before he converted it into a pendant. This custom
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 1: piece belonged to Andrea fish Altery. She had been missing
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 1: since nineteen eighty one, and while her body had not
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 1: yet been found, this souvenir in Hansen's attic was a
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 1: forensic bridge. It proved that the man who lived on
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: Old Harbor Road was the last person and to see
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 1: her alive. Piece by piece, the trophy bag began to talk.
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 1: Mothers recognized cheap costume jewelry they had given their daughters
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 1: for birthdays. Dancers recognized specific rings their coworkers had worn
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 1: every night on stage, and for the investigators, each identification
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 1: turned a missing person file into a homicide file. By
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 1: the time the winter was over, the jewelry had linked
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 1: hands into multiple women who weren't even on the original
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 1: ex map. The Mick Baker was no longer just a suspect,
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 1: and the murders of the women found at the nick
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: he was now the primary suspect in a decade long
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 1: disappearance spreed. This span the entire state of Alaska. Mm
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 1: HM Yes indeed parted an that now the transition from
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 1: January into February nineteen eighty four. It felt like a stalemate.
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: While the jewelry provided a haunting emotional connection to the missing,
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 1: the legal case hit a series of frustrating technical snacks.
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 1: The shoe leather work was proving that, even with a
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 1: mountain of evidence, human memory is a fickle witness. And
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 1: when we know that, right, okay, it's too hot. I
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 1: was just checking to make sure I didn't hear a sire.
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 1: It was a weird noise, and I was like, I
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 1: would No, don't worry, guys. Sorry, I don't mean to
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 1: scare anybody. Now. The Hanning family, these guys, so, the
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 1: Hanning family, John, Joe, Anne and their son had been
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 1: the cornerstone of Hansen's protection once they admitted Bob had
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 1: roped them into hiding weapons for him on the day
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 1: Sandy Paulsen escaped. The troopers expected a clean identification, because
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, how hard gonna be. Instead, the interview at
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 1: the trooper headquarters devolved into a mess of contradictions because,
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: of course of them. When presented with the cachet of
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 1: firearms and holsters, the three Huntings picked out three different
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 1: weapons and three different holsters. How they picked out three
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 1: different ones, They don't know either they were all lying, misremembered,
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 1: or maybe did this more than one time. For Robert,
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 1: I don't know. What do you guys think if his
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 1: own accomplices after the fact. We'll just but they after
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 1: the fact marker, because that is exactly what they were.
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 1: If they were hiding guns, you are an accomplice after
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 1: the fact. Remember that when you should get angry later.
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 1: If they couldn't agree on which gun he handed them,
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 1: a defense attorney could argue that the police had simply
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 1: seized a collection of somehow legal firearms, even though he's
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 1: not one to have any. But okay, and we're guessing
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 1: which one was the threat. This wasn't a huge failure
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 1: of the case, but it did show how effectively Hansen
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 1: groomed his moral friends to see only what he wanted
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 1: them to see. Look at all those guns he had
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 1: at his house. Over half of them are stolen, Like
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 1: all of them are pretty much stolen. None of those
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 1: were legal. But again, you know, I had to write
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 1: this in a way as most of the history this
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: is done. But I have opinions even on the stuff
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 1: I wrote, because I disagree with a whole lot of it.
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 1: To be quite Frank Okay now Sargeant Glenn Flothey, began
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 1: to realize that the Meek Baker wasn't just a mask.
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 1: It was one of several highly curated personas. Hanson's arrogance
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 1: fu functioned like a faucet, and he knew exactly who
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 1: was thirsty for which version of him. In the early
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 1: morning hours at the bakery, the meek banner vanished. Meek
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 1: Baker vanished. To his young male employees, they said Hanson
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 1: was a quote gross motherfucker end the quote to which
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 1: I agree, nailed it. Let's just retitle all the shows
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 1: to just Robert Hanson, gross motherfucker, because it's exactly what
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 1: it is. It's probably the truest, uh most accurate thing
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 1: we could call it anyway. They called him that who
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 1: delighted in decorating cakes while with exaggerated graphic sexual stories.
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 1: He would brag about the women he saw in the bars,
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 1: painting himself as an apex predator of the night. Cool
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: you gotta brag. The dean boy is a loser. Most
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 1: chilling he wants hypothetically explained to a young worker how
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 1: he would handle the missing dancer cases. Quote if I
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 1: had done something like that. I would have taken him
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 1: up in a plane and buried them where nobody would
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 1: have ever found them. Ooh, that's not great. Don't like that.
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 1: Don't like that at all. And he was telling them
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 1: the truth, disguise it as boss. But to his superiors
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 1: he was a harmless he was a harmless little stutterer.
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 1: He's fine, but to his inferiors, he was a dark
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 1: god of the wilderness. He lived in the space between
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 1: those two lies, confident that neither side would ever talk
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 1: to the other. Now, as the February nineteen eighty four
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 1: trial date got closer, the investigation was a race against
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 1: the clock. The troopers were hunting for ghosts, women who
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 1: had survived Robert Hanson years ago but had since disappeared
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 1: into the margins of society or moved on to entirely
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 1: new lives. And then a ray of sunshine appeared on
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 1: January twenty fifth, when John T. Casey, a former associate
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 1: of Hanson, came forward. He recalled a chilling detail that
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 1: Hanson had once asked him if he knew any girl
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 1: and seaward they could party with. Hmm. This tip breathed
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 1: new life into the cold cases of Megan Emerick and
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 1: Mary phil When Flothe looked at Hansen's aviation map, he
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 1: saw three X marks in Resurrection Bay right there. It's
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 1: like the middle part. I don't know if you guys
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 1: can read that, but the little crosshairs is that right
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 1: eames the I think so. So that's three three Markshall
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 1: three right near Seaward. The pattern was becoming undeniable, but
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 1: without a body or a confession, these women would remain
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 1: haunting question marks on a map. Now, Sergeant Flothy knew
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 1: that relying solely on Cindy Paulson was a legal gamble.
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 1: He needed more survivors to prove that Hanson's violence wasn't
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 1: an isolated incident but a decade long career, and this
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 1: led to a hunt for a woman known in the
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 1: files as em Murphy. Now, Flothy and Anchorage PD officer
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 1: Gentile hit the streets, working through a network of informants
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 1: and prostitutes to find a woman who had been kidnapped
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 1: by Hanson back in nineteen seventy two. Now, this was
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 1: not a woman that we've covered during the silent decade
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 1: that we talked about for days. As there was literally
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 1: no public information we could find that talked about her
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 1: specific experience or coming up anywhere. It didn't become a
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 1: known thing until this, so we don't know who she is,
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 1: but it would have been at the same time in
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 1: seventy two. Fall of seventy two was after zz Mason.
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 1: I think would be uh Murphy so the year after.
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 1: So on February eleventh, a tip finally paid off. They
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 1: tracked her down and met her at Flippers on Bragau,
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 1: a local hangout. When the investigators found her, m Murphy
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 1: agreed to go to headquarters, and despite the twelve year gap,
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 1: her story of being taken in the fall of nineteen
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 1: seventy two mirrored the other victims. Yeah, in the fall
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 1: of nineteen seventy two, he would have still been in
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 1: the halfway house. It would have been after the murder
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 1: of Zz Mason. So it lines up very well actually
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 1: too will now wow. And Murphy was being located on
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 1: the street. Flothy reached out to another survivor, Patty Roberts,
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 1: another queen in this story. Patty's case was over a
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 1: decade old, and she was now thirty, married and a
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 1: college graduate. She had every reason to leave the past buried.
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 1: I'm so happy for her that she was able to
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 1: move on. However, her response was a testament to the
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 1: lasting trauma Hanson inflicted in the courage of his survivors.
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 1: She told Flothy she would do anything she could to
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 1: put him away. She had known for twelve years that
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 1: he was a monster, and she was just waiting for
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 1: the world to finally catch up to her. Because remember,
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 1: they threw her case was lost to a plea bargain.
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 1: Excuse me, she had no say over poor Patty. We're
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 1: almost young, guys, I promise. As the investigators into Robert
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 1: Hanson's decade of violence broad in the most critical piece
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 1: of the puzzle, Cindy Paulsen was slipping through the cracks
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 1: of the Anchorage underworld. While the troopers were successfully locating
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 1: survivors from the nineteen seventies. The girl who had actually
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 1: escaped the meet Baker's basement just months prior, was becoming
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 1: a ghost. By February tenth, nineteen eighty four, the prosecution
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 1: was in a state of quiet panic. Cindy's location was unknown.
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 1: Without her, the kidnapping and rape charges the only things
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 1: keeping Hansen in a cell would vanish, and Sergeant Floffe
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 1: began a desperate trek through the city's shadows, eventually tracking
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 1: her to a resident on Government Hill, but finding her
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 1: location was only half the battle. Bringing her back to
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 1: a state where she could testify would prove to be
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 1: one of the most heartbreaking chain challenges of the case.
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 1: When Flaffe finally caught up with Cindy at a raggedy
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 1: club where she was dancing, the sight of her was devastating.
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 1: The trauma of the kidnapping, combined with the pressures of
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 1: being the sole witness against a monster, had driven her
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 1: into a downward spiral of drug use and survival sex work.
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 1: She looked like death. Her skin was white, her legs
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 1: were very skinny, and she was covered in bruises and
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 1: scabs from picking at herself. It's a common sign of
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 1: severe cocaine or amphetamine use. She was shaking and her
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 1: hair was a mess, and she appeared very strung out.
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 1: The vibrant, resilient girl who had rolled out of a
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 1: car to save her own life was being hollowed out
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 1: by the meat grinder of the Anchorage streets. And even
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 1: though she was free quote from Hansen, Cindy was still
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 1: a prisoner. She was being watched by other girls and
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 1: associates in the club who wouldn't let her speak to
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 1: Flothy alone. She was too terrified to say I want
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 1: to go now, fearing the immediate repercussions from the people
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 1: currently controlling her life. For Flothy, this was the moment
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 1: he realized that the state's case rested on the shoulders
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 1: of a teenager who was physically and mentally disintegrating, and
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 1: the meet baker was in a cell, but he was
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 1: still killing Cindy Paulson one day at a time through
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 1: the sheer weight of the trauma he had inflicted. The
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 1: rescue of Cindy Paulsen was a high stakes extraction that
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 1: felt more like a specialized tactical operation than a standard
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 1: witness pickup. In the early hours of a Saturday morning,
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 1: the whisper from a bathroom on Government Hill signaled that
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 1: the star witness was finally ready to choose life over
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 1: the streets, and Sergeant Flothy didn't go alone. Suspecting he
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 1: was walking into a hornet's nest, he brought three plane
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 1: clothes officers as backup. The building they entered was a
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 1: sophisticated party house with a central hub with a pool
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 1: table and a bar that opened to the second floor,
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 1: dozens of doorways leading to private spaces on both levels,
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 1: connected by a snaking staircase. It was a self contained
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 1: ecosystem where p partying and sex work were seamlessly integrated,
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 1: making it nearly impossible for a girl to leave unnoticed. Now,
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 1: when Flothy reached Cindy's room, she met him at the door,
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 1: clutching a bathrobe, leading him immediately to the one place
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 1: she felt she could speak, the bathroom. Flothy laid out
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 1: the terms of her extradition with the bluntness of a
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 1: father figure. If she went to the safe house, the
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 1: street bullshit, the drugs, the girlfriends, the constant coming and
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 1: going had to end. Cindy's I know, was the first
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 1: step towards the witness stand. Now, the exit wasn't seamless.
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 1: As they left the bathroom, Cindy's pimp stood in the
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 1: hallway in his underwear, angry, demanding to know what they
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 1: were doing with his lady. But Flothy didn't blink. He
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 1: laid down the wall of the state of Alaska quote,
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 1: she wants to go, and she's coming with us, period.
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 1: I love that right to the point. It was a
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 1: moment of absolute clarity for the first time since she
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 1: had been abducted. At the airport, Cindy Paulson had the
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 1: full weight of the law acting as her shield. And
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 1: it just sucks that it took her eight months to
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 1: get that, And quite frankly, law enforcement's lucky that she
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 1: was there in a life, but it sound that it
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 1: took them eight months. Now, Cindy gathered her meager belongings,
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 1: a rabbit fur jacket and a bundle of clothes as
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 1: she walked out of the party house with her arms
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 1: around Floppy's waist. She was a survivor with a police escort,
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 1: and she never looked back at the pimp or the
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 1: house of Government Hill. The troopers drove her directly to
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 1: a pre arranged safe house where a woman she trusts
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 1: was waiting for her. The Star Witness was finally under
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 1: lock and key, safe from the streets and safe from
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 1: the trial of Robert Hanson. Now the safe house was
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 1: more than a sanctuary. For the first time in her
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 1: young life, Cindy Paulsen was removed from the meat grinder
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 1: of the Anchorage streets and placed into a stable, domestic environment.
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 1: There was a staggering irony at the heart of Cindy's recovery,
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 1: the Christian family that took her in, providing the structure
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 1: and morality she needed to get clean, attended the very
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 1: same church as Darla Hanson. Now, while Robert Hansen sat
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 1: in a cell and Darla sat in a pew praying
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 1: for her family, the girl who had dismantled their lives
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 1: was just a few miles away way being cared for
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 1: by their own congregation members. It was a collision of
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 1: two worlds that should not have meant unified by a
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 1: single church community. Now under the influence of this family,
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 1: Cindy's transformation was physical, emotional, and domestic. She stopped wearing
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 1: the dark as night eyeliner and the heavy mask of
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 1: makeup she used to survive the clubs. She got off
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 1: the drugs and stopped picking her skin, and instead of
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 1: dancing for pimps, she was helping make dinner and vacuum
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 1: floors and doing laundry. And she finally reached out to
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 1: her parents, restoring a bridge that had been burned by
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 1: years of life on the avenue. To Sergeant Flofe, she
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 1: was becoming a real person again. She was no longer
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 1: a piece of evidence. She was a teen who liked
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 1: shopping trips and family dinners, and this period of stability
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 1: was a godsend for the prosecution. When eighty A, Frank
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 1: roth'schild finally arrived to prepare Cindy for her testimony, he
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 1: met a composed, clear eyed young woman instead of the
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 1: death warmed over version Floffe had found in the club.
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 1: If rothschild had seen her weeks earlier, he might have
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 1: doubted her ability to hold up under the brutal cross
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 1: examination of a defense attorney. But now she was scuokum,
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 1: an Alaskan term for strong, reliable, and impressive. It's one
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 1: of my new favorite words. They've learned to scook em.
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 1: I hope I pronounce that right. The star witness was
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 1: no longer a liability. She was a weapon. As Floffee
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 1: watched her interact with the family and the lawyers, he
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 1: felt the first surge of hope that they could actually
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 1: win and that the trap was finally ready to snap.
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 1: Shut ah. Sorry Now next time on True Crime and
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 1: Wine Times Frozen Fear the Butcher Baker of Alaska series,
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking it might be our last one. I love
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 1: that Amy gross motherfucker. On the thumb nail. I love that. Sorry,
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 1: Well next time, on what may be our last episode
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 1: for of this series, we might have two more, I
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 1: don't know. The meek Baker's mask has finally shattered before
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 1: the Alaska State troopers. The real horror is only beginning.
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 1: Excuse me. The spring fall of nineteen eighty four is coming,
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 1: and with it, the ground will finally surrender the secrets
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 1: Robert Hansen tried to bury forever. We'll go inside the
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 1: high stakes negotiation room, where the district attorneys face a
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 1: monster to get the locations of the missing women. The
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 1: state must offer a deal, a life behind bars in
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 1: exchange for the truth. And you'll hear the chilling transition
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 1: in Hanson's own words as he stops stuttering and starts narrating,
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 1: detailing the hunt, the flights into the bush, and the
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 1: cold blooded moments of the kill. And they are just
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 1: as infuriating to hear his bullshit. Okay, it's like, sir, whatever,
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 1: we don't believe you. He always still trying to make
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 1: himself seem like a reason. I'm just a reasonable nun. Anyway,
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 1: we'll listen to all that bes now as the Alaskan
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 1: snow retreats, we join the recovery teams on the banks
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 1: of the Nick River. Armed with Hanson's own aviation apps.
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 1: Investigators begin the grim task of digging and will follow
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 1: the evidence as the x marks on paper become shallow
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 1: graves in the mud. Finally giving names back to the
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 1: Jane Does who had been lost to the wilderness for
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 1: over a decade, will break down the staggering sentence of
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 1: four hundred and sixty one years plus life plus life,
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 1: ensuring that Robert Hanson would never again see the sun
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 1: except through a prison of fens. But even as the
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 1: cell doors slam shut at Spring Creek, questions remain from
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 1: bodies that have no names to the bodies that were
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 1: never found. Finally, we track Hanson's final decades in the
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 1: shadows of the prison system until his death in twenty fourteen,
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 1: ending the reign of Alaska's most prolific predator. And it's
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 1: next time for par leven, the Reckoning of the Baker.
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 1: So and that is the end of our episode for tonight. Sorry,
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 1: that took me a little bit longer than I thought.
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 1: Oh well, gosh, I don't really know what to say. Honestly,
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 1: At this point in the story. It's it's really nice
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 1: that this is all coming together, and I do think
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 1: I just can't help but feel like if Flofthy first
• 2:12:35
  Speaker 1: of all, if Officer Baker hadn't sent those files over
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 1: to the Troopers, we wouldn't be talking about this. Well
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 1: we might eventually, but it would be a long time
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 1: before he's ever caught again. If he is, and if
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 1: the troopers, if hawks Fin and Floffy after they found
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 1: Paula Golding it, because remember they tried to take it
• 2:12:58
  Speaker 1: to the DA twice and the DA said, mmm, no,
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 1: I know that you have found like four unsolved body murders,
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 1: but like that's not enough for anything. Twice they rejected,
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 1: and he had to reach out to the FBI, and
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 1: then he had to write the search weren't himself and
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 1: called somebody in another attorney to help write it. Like
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 1: if those things, if people didn't give a shit, there'd
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 1: be so many more dead women, so many more. He
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 1: would never would have stopped, not for one second, even
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 1: the ones that we know about. I think that there
• 2:13:35
  Speaker 1: were definitely ones in between, because as we'll hear in before, yeah, absolutely,
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 1: and he's like that really no, And we'll hear in
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 1: some of his words. In the next episode when they
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 1: get into his confession, you know, he's like, well, the
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 1: ones that put up a fight, you know, they're the
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 1: ones that stayed. And it's like, you can't tell me
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 1: that only seventeen women put up a fight and try
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 1: to fight for their lives. Like, there's no way, There's
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 1: absolutely no way. I don't believe him. I don't believe
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 1: a lot of things that he says. I don't believe
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 1: the way that he says they played out. But you
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 1: know what, that's for next episode. I'll go on my
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 1: what that doesn't sound that doesn't sound right. You know
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 1: who I do believe is Patti Roberts, Susan hefferd Christy Hayes,
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 1: Cindy Paulson, Jane Doe school teacher, and Murphy who we
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 1: just learned about and their experience is how those women's
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 1: experiences were like, except they ended a little bit differently,
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 1: but only by chance. Listen, I think we can all
• 2:14:51
  Speaker 1: agree at this point that if Cindy got on that plane,
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 1: she wasn't coming back. He had every intention of killing her.
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 1: And I don't know how you you know, in three years,
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 1: kill seventeen women and then just say, well, I was
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 1: I was just gonna tear on my plane. I'm it
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 1: wasn't like that. It wasn't gonna kill her. No, loo,
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 1: get out of here. I don't believe it for one second.
• 2:15:17
  Speaker 1: For the last episode, I'm trying my best. I'm trying
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 1: my best um to wrap it up in one or
• 2:15:25
  Speaker 1: it'll definitely be over next week for sure. Well, you guys,
• 2:15:30
  Speaker 1: I really don't have any closing thoughts. I want to
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 1: save them for We're almost done with the whole things.
• 2:15:34
  Speaker 1: I'd like to save them for them. Plus, I have
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 1: really nasty weather that is gonna be at me at
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 1: any second. It probably already is, isn't amy, It's probably like, yeah,
• 2:15:43
  Speaker 1: it's right above your house. Well, you guys, before I
• 2:15:47
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• 2:16:00
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  Speaker 1: little it's gonna be a little rough tomorrow, Lam and
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  Speaker 1: Buffy is gonna be back for food cong Friday. Let's
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  Speaker 1: talk about Laura Owens. That's right, Buffy. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: a deep dive in Robert Hanson. Oh boy, it's a
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  Speaker 1: being here with me tonight. It was just me. We
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  Speaker 1: tomorrow night at nine pm Eastern. Well, you all have
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