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JFKL ASSASSINATION - Ep.373 - The Notorious F.B.I. · The Lone Gunman Podcast : JFK Assassination

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  Speaker 1: Plagues and gentlemen, I have your attention. Please. The show
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  Speaker 2: of the basting, and the boy.
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  Speaker 3: For your prom to see.
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  Speaker 1: Night, says.
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  Speaker 4: Job and here we go.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you, Roger big Roach. What's up, Joseph?
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  Speaker 3: How are you sir? Happy Friday?
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  Speaker 5: Oh dude, I love it when you first get on
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  Speaker 5: and within a minute of getting on your internet takes
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  Speaker 5: a shit. I love it. Great fun.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's just live podd in for you. You know,
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  Speaker 3: you just gotta go with the flow, you know, the
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  Speaker 3: ebs and flows as they call it.
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  Speaker 5: It's no folks that if my internet crafts out again,
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  Speaker 5: I will be back and it'll be the show for
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  Speaker 5: a little.
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  Speaker 3: While, hopefully for none of you. He doesn't go out, but.
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  Speaker 5: I hopefully, hopefully.
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  Speaker 3: I do have a new shirt that I ordered.
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  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, whip it out, lifted research.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, because that's what we are.
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  Speaker 5: We are Lavender panther.
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  Speaker 3: It is a cougar a panther, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Uh, a lavender panther though, what's a lavender panther? It's
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  Speaker 5: it's kind of like a black panther, only gay. Like
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  Speaker 5: what was that guy's name? And from the New Orleans.
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  Speaker 5: He was the head of the lavender Panthers.
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  Speaker 3: Oh was it one of Fairi's friends.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, one of Fairies buddies. There wasn't ever in somebody.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't place it, but I do know what
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  Speaker 3: you're talking about now that that is even funnier, but uh,
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  Speaker 3: you won't be able to see it as I'm sitting down.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, I am definitely lifted tonight, and not in
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  Speaker 3: the way I would hope. I am on a cocktail
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  Speaker 3: of antibiotics, Tyland All Coffee and Zen's and.
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  Speaker 5: Whatever gets you here, Joe, I guess.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, my temperature was one hundred even earlier today.
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  Speaker 5: Keep sucking around and you're gonna find out, sir.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, you know, the show must go on, So
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  Speaker 3: let's welcome our favorite people in. Let's see who was
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  Speaker 3: Let's see it was first Dave Sparks seemed to be
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  Speaker 3: free five hours ago. Gold Medal to Dave.
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  Speaker 5: San Diego's Finest.
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  Speaker 3: South to West gets the silver and Trey is brons
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  Speaker 5: For the deaf and Yo so Trey Ship who got it?
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  Speaker 3: Joe ten membership hips, Jail, thank you the they double B.
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  Speaker 5: Let's see list.
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  Speaker 3: Collie Finn Dog Star City, Francis Fitzgerald twenty four can
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  Speaker 3: Corey Canada.
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  Speaker 5: Oh man, that's not who that is, but.
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  Speaker 3: Not an alias for other people in Canada. But welcome
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  Speaker 3: Corey h Leo Wolf or Lisa Lisa, Yeah, maybe La
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  Speaker 3: Victoria nineteen sixty. There you go there? Did you take
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  Speaker 3: French in high school?
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  Speaker 6: We just we South to West Cammy Norman, Coryner, Dean
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  Speaker 6: Walker and then in addition.
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  Speaker 3: What.
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  Speaker 5: Christmas comes early? Thanks for a great year. All blessings
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  Speaker 5: be with you all. Brandon bless you, sir.
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  Speaker 3: You are the man.
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  Speaker 5: Everything you do for us, and it's been a hell
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  Speaker 5: of a year and you stuck with us and we're
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  Speaker 5: glad to have you and everybody else here on board
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  Speaker 5: for the ride.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, we have developed quite a fam as they call
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  Speaker 3: it these days, and we have a lot of fun
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  Speaker 3: on Wednesday, and we have a lot of fun this
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  Speaker 3: past Wednesday too.
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  Speaker 5: It was a banger Wednesday.
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  Speaker 7: Boy, So if you want more of the Triple B
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  Speaker 7: and the Joe B, become a covert operator or a
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  Speaker 7: spook for once a month.
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  Speaker 3: But zendars here. How are you, Sally? Of course, staying
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  Speaker 3: up late from across the pond, I'm going to do.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to make a blinding pot of tea and
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  Speaker 3: a massive bowl of apple crumble and custard and cozy
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  Speaker 3: up with the cat kitty.
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  Speaker 5: Let me let me translate for everybody out there. This
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  Speaker 5: is what this is gonna be a new show feature.
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  Speaker 5: I'm gonna translate Sally's comment every week from whatever she says.
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  Speaker 5: Okay she says, evening from Ireland or Mexico.
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  Speaker 3: No, no, there there's a three leaf clover, so I
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  Speaker 3: know they do look similar.
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  Speaker 5: Hot pot of tea and a massive plate of apple
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  Speaker 5: pie and ice cream and cozy up with my kiddy
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  Speaker 5: cats for the show. Hope all or well?
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  Speaker 3: Well, thank you, Sally, Yeah, we hope they are shaped. Sorry,
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  Speaker 3: we we go off the rails early here, mister Jack Taylor,
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  Speaker 3: how are you start.
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  Speaker 5: Et, Picky? I come from a different era, if you
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  Speaker 5: know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it reminds me that that scene from Uh, this
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  Speaker 3: is gonna get bad. From Wolf of Wall Street. Have
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  Speaker 3: you seen that?
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  Speaker 5: I'm sure you have many moons ago. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. When he talks to his daddy goes, oh, they're
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  Speaker 3: all shaved these days, he goes, wow, well I kind
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  Speaker 3: of like the bush anyways. That's uh, that'ss inappropriate. That's
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  Speaker 3: we'll get for now. But that's a funny scene there
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  Speaker 3: from that movie Howdy Friends.
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  Speaker 5: Slacker Dan or Internet slacker Internet possibly slacker Dan. We
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  Speaker 5: don't know. Yeah, maybe two slackers out there. There might
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  Speaker 5: be one.
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  Speaker 3: Paula is here.
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  Speaker 5: How are you hello?
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  Speaker 3: How are you? Uh?
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  Speaker 5: Bagels? Oh, paul I like I like I like me
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  Speaker 5: a bagel?
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  Speaker 3: Mister, Yeah, I do too. There's that's a great start
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  Speaker 3: to the day. Mister James Smith, how are you starting? Hey,
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  Speaker 3: I'm smart, not dumb like everyone says. I can't handle
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  Speaker 3: things well like Forrest Gump says, stupid is is as
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  Speaker 3: stupid does, right.
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  Speaker 5: Life is like a box the chocolates. You never know what.
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  Speaker 3: You're going to get. And yes, Roger is here. Here
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  Speaker 3: we ef and go yes sir with your new song.
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  Speaker 3: Mister Derek Ward, how is everyone doing tonight? We are good, sir,
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  Speaker 3: A little under the weather. But I feel you feel great?
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  Speaker 3: That's good? Uh, Trey, we already mentioned him. I believe
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  Speaker 3: he's worthy of mention. Yep, yeah, involved in some of
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  Speaker 3: the week. Oh yeah, hello to everyone, Cha bird.
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  Speaker 5: As Jolene to you.
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  Speaker 3: Jolene, Yes you remember all the names?
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  Speaker 1: I remember.
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  Speaker 3: I remember that from last show.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, I'm a good teacher.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, and we have a newbie here, dog Star City,
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  Speaker 3: looking forward to the show.
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  Speaker 5: Well, welcome, sir, Johnny Reeves.
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  Speaker 3: That went over my head.
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  Speaker 5: Can you explain, Jann It's in a band named dog Star.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, mister Tony Holman, what up? Gang? What upam? How
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  Speaker 3: are you Tony with us on Wednesday?
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  Speaker 5: And he can tell you what was the hell of
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  Speaker 5: a show? Yeah, and and.
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  Speaker 3: Yes we we we are going to be talking about
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  Speaker 3: the Phoebees and a very notable Phoebe. But is he
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  Speaker 3: the villain a couple? Is he the villain that we
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  Speaker 3: thought he all was? Or was he the scapegoat as
• 11:21
  Speaker 3: we touched upon on our book review, which you know,
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  Speaker 3: there is some method to our madness in terms of
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  Speaker 3: sometimes book reviews and topics. Scott Edwards and very sick.
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  Speaker 3: We'll try to listen in well, join the clubs there,
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  Speaker 3: I sat.
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  Speaker 5: Down, put the computer away, go get in bed. No,
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  Speaker 5: he's next to his fireplace, rob and soon to lay
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  Speaker 5: down and get some rest.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, but next to the fire, next to the fire,
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  Speaker 3: got a got night.
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  Speaker 5: Warm accidentally, kids on fire like an ember come out
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  Speaker 5: and burn him up or something.
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  Speaker 3: No, he's I feel like he's an experienced fire maker.
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  Speaker 3: Tiny dancer one is ready. You did not get the gold,
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  Speaker 3: silver or bronze tonight.
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  Speaker 5: It's a seeming tiny But we.
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  Speaker 3: Love you, hope all as well. I hope you are
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  Speaker 3: feeling better. Let's see Paul Anicci of course, what up?
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  Speaker 5: Buddy?
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  Speaker 1: How are you.
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  Speaker 3: Actually? Would morning vapors just for that comment?
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  Speaker 5: Hey go put another strimp on the barbie down there, Ashley,
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  Speaker 5: why don't you?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, all of our income breakfast eater at dinner time,
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  Speaker 3: A little bit of our income we got from YouTube
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  Speaker 3: goes to vapes for sure. Let's see. Is there anyone
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  Speaker 3: else I have missed? Anthony the rip? How are you? Sir?
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  Speaker 3: Shaw was a cougar.
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  Speaker 5: There is a good Australian right there. He's a carpet
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  Speaker 5: selling mother effort man. We're off to and off and
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  Speaker 5: running tonight, boy, Krista Marie is here from Reality with
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  Speaker 5: Krista Marie. What's up, Chicky? Thanks for showing up hanging
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  Speaker 5: out with us. You look at the Luga. Are you back?
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  Speaker 3: I think so now you're back a deluga you Yes.
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  Speaker 3: I tried to pronounce it as a as I went away,
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  Speaker 3: and uh.
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  Speaker 5: I say that I'm probably saying it totally fucking wrong,
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  Speaker 5: but you Lika de Luga.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, but thank you everyone for joining us. And Rob,
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  Speaker 3: I believe you have Jack candidate Jack is here? Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I did. Jack Teller's here.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, Dog Star City is also Australian. What's up?
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  Speaker 3: Oh?
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  Speaker 5: We are full of Australians night. We love it.
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  Speaker 3: I like it?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I kind of I kind of wrapped that
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  Speaker 5: all out and you are adding to the rhyme.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And hey, Christa, I popped into her chat the other
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  Speaker 3: day on her live stream. I saw she was on
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  Speaker 3: live and gone to some funny discussions. But she is
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  Speaker 3: a sweet heart. And thank you for joining us, Christa, And.
• 15:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah, go ahead. I Lovedy's music. I'm a big stun
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  Speaker 5: Tumble Pilots fan and Alison Chains fan.
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: Is Tyler robertson the modern day Lee Harvey Oswald.
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  Speaker 5: Or Tyler Robinson. What did I say Robertson.
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  Speaker 3: Oh Robinson, Yes, I'm not sure. Dude was literally on
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  Speaker 3: the roof and there is a lot of video footage
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  Speaker 3: to corroborate that. I don't know. I'm gonna wait for
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  Speaker 3: the trial. But texts are definitely very weird, but damning
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: if they are real. With the you know text to
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  Speaker 3: the fairy, the Furrey Furrery his boyfriend. I think that's
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  Speaker 3: what he goes by.
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  Speaker 5: There's lots of stuff to unpack with that thing, and
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  Speaker 5: I'm yeah, but well, unconvinced his little transgender boyfriend wasn't
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  Speaker 5: involved as well. But we'll see, right takes out right right.
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  Speaker 3: I think Occham's razor is he was kind of convinced
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  Speaker 3: to do it, maybe to impress his boyfriend. I don't
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  Speaker 3: think Egyptian planes with massade, with French intelligence and the
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  Speaker 3: French Foreign Legion and you know, everything that Candice Owens
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  Speaker 3: is saying is has any I think she's lost it.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, well it will unfold in.
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  Speaker 3: Time, yes, if we get a trial, but you know,
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: it's a death penalty trial, so he might plead like
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  Speaker 3: Brian Colberger did the Idaho.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, or they'll have a guy in a khaki suit
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  Speaker 5: escorting him out.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well yeah that's Louisi.
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: Right, look old Lee Harvey Oswald Luisimansi treatment.
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  Speaker 3: But who knows, man, Like, who knows what is real
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  Speaker 3: and fake these days? Like it's so hard to tell,
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  Speaker 3: you know, and like who knows who to trust, what
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  Speaker 3: documents to trust? Like it's crazy. So after that, Tangent go, sir,
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  Speaker 3: all right, I.
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  Speaker 5: Take on your own. Damn time we have Scafuza of
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  Speaker 5: the week.
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  Speaker 1: Joe, is it me?
• 17:41
  Speaker 5: It's always you? But you said I don't count, but
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  Speaker 5: you don't count. Okay, we have to find people that
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: do count, and I found one. Okay, knows exactly where
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  Speaker 5: I'm going with this one.
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  Speaker 3: And we had a different one on Wednesday, by the way.
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  Speaker 9: But.
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  Speaker 5: So say hello to Simon Bedford James our Scafoza of
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  Speaker 5: the week, Joe.
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  Speaker 3: Bro When you have three names, you're almost certainly a
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  Speaker 3: serial coller.
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  Speaker 5: So here is what wait a minute, oh yes, here's
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  Speaker 5: what Simon had to say twenty five minutes into this.
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  Speaker 5: These two are insufferable and their guest is dull, So
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  Speaker 5: Trey hopped in the chat to defend Yeah, well, you know,
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  Speaker 5: that's just like your opinion, man from the dude right.
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  Speaker 5: So then he says, nah, they are slow and boring
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  Speaker 5: reading a book after twenty minutes of gossip about the Lancer,
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  Speaker 5: I take it they don't like America's untold stories so far,
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  Speaker 5: that's all I got, and a bunch of nothing suggesting
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  Speaker 5: that someone not named Oswald was in Louisiana on April eight, riveting, Right,
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  Speaker 5: hold On was not in louis Anda spelled wrong on
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: ape April Lee eighth, riveting, And it's not like not
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  Speaker 5: like we're engagingly riveting, but like Rosie the Riveter riveting,
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  Speaker 5: he spelled wrong. But okay, you don't have to be
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  Speaker 5: a skafuzo to know how to spell.
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  Speaker 3: No or so.
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  Speaker 5: And Trey jumps in again and says, hey, man, this
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  Speaker 5: unsufferable duo is responsible for representing more independent research in
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  Speaker 5: a handful of episodes than any other podcast or assassination conference.
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  Speaker 5: Is going right now, well, said Trey, to which Simon says,
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  Speaker 5: they don't seem to have the subscribers to back up
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  Speaker 5: your claim, and the fact that they present in such
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  Speaker 5: a dull, pedantic way is probably a lot of the reason.
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  Speaker 5: They are very, very much fringe. The numbers don't lie, dude,
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  Speaker 5: and I hate the Eagles. Well, who gives a fuck
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  Speaker 5: if you hate.
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  Speaker 3: The Eagles, the football team.
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  Speaker 5: Apparently, or the band take your pick.
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  Speaker 3: Alrighty, yeah, well, I will agree that we are fringe
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  Speaker 3: in the fact that we are one of the few
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  Speaker 3: who actually go through documents and don't have our minds
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: made up until we go back and forth and discuss
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  Speaker 3: and debate. But I think our numbers are pretty good.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: If we talked about James Files all the time, our
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  Speaker 3: numbers would probably be better.
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  Speaker 5: Or sure if if our show was named something catchy
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  Speaker 5: and clever like Solving JFK, we'd have a lot more subscribers. Unfortunately,
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  Speaker 5: Simon doesn't know that this has actually been the longest
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  Speaker 5: running JFK related podcast ever. It's going to be twelve
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  Speaker 5: years old this coming year. We've been doing for twelve
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  Speaker 5: freaking years. You have been well, yeah, but technically you're
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: part of this now, so we technically technically you've always
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: been there in spirit too, And you know this. We
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: didn't get our numbers by talking about something else first.
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  Speaker 5: It was a long grind. We didn't buy viewers or
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: subscribers or likes or anything like that. It's been a long, long,
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  Speaker 5: long grind YEP.
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  Speaker 3: And we've doubled our subscriber base in the pastlast year,
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  Speaker 3: by the way, And uh, yeah, it's a grind. We
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  Speaker 3: we do it every week, and we go through documents.
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  Speaker 3: We are document researchers.
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  Speaker 5: We are not reading books.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and we're not listening to claims like America's don't
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: told stories Frank Strug was killed, Juan Conna and Rose.
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  Speaker 5: We hear telling stories like just rehashing the basics, you
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  Speaker 5: know what I mean?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, So, yeah, that is definitely Uh, we're here here.
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: Here's why he's confusing, not only for what he says,
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: mm hmm uh, he's also Canadian, so he's automatically gonna
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: frown upon us. Joe.
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  Speaker 6: Uh.
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  Speaker 5: And apparently Simon loves Hallmark Christmas movies. Joe, he just
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  Speaker 5: reviewed three days ago last night's Christmas movie, Snowman's Imagine,
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: an unholy alliance between the bishop's wife and last year's
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  Speaker 5: hot Frosty and a dumpster fire of bad acting. The
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  Speaker 5: movie stars with two kids, Snowgirl and friend Zone building
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  Speaker 5: a Snowman. It's her dream boyfriend, she calls Cole. The
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  Speaker 5: two characters work well as they're acting as decent que
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  Speaker 5: to a montage of the two hanging out, growing older
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  Speaker 5: but still building Snowman every year. Cut to the present day,
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  Speaker 5: Snowgirl lives with her widower father in a huge house.
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  Speaker 5: He is signing over to her, but he still hangs
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  Speaker 5: out with friend Zone and works at a St. Paul
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  Speaker 5: online magazine with two co workers, affecting the worst Fargo
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  Speaker 5: accents you've ever heard. Because that's funny and I can
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  Speaker 5: read the rest of it, but you get the fucking point. Okay, Yeah, simon,
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  Speaker 5: fuck you keep watching your little Hallmark movies and uh
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: go f yourself. This comes from posting an episode in
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  Speaker 5: a Facebook group. This is the kind of comments we
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: get on it. This is why I don't do this
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  Speaker 5: ship anymore. This is again probably affects our numbers because
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: I don't post the show anywhere. But that's why my
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: patience for dumb asses and horses, assy and scofi is
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: not what it used to be. Folks. Yeah, So when
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: Joe says he we should probably post this in all
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  Speaker 5: a Facebook green, I look at Joe and I say,
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: shut up, shut your damn mouth. We're not doing it.
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  Speaker 5: Why why not we need to get this far and wide. No, no,
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  Speaker 5: we don't. If they want us, if they want to
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: listen Joe, they will find us.
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  Speaker 3: Well yes, But but the point is when you go
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  Speaker 3: out of your way to troll, Yeah, when you, when you,
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  Speaker 3: when you have done probably no research ever yourself.
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  Speaker 5: Uh too busy watching Christmas romance movies on Yeah, and.
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: You have to realize that we control we can troll
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: one hundred times better than you can with thousands more
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: of the audience.
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: So yeah, I represented. So thank you, Trey.
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you Trey. He's the man.
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: And one more thing before we get started here, since
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: we're talking about we're gonna be talking about James Hosty.
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: Wanted to share a little bit of a story from
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: one of our listeners, in fact, one of our most
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: beloved listeners, the guy does the music for this very show,
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: mister Roger Maynard. Roger had the privilege of growing up
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: down the street from James Hosty when he was a
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: young teenage angsty boy. Wow, you know who would grow
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: up to, you know, be a guitar god and virtuoso
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: and long haired metal loving dude. Right, uh huh? I
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: don't think James Hosty liked them kind of teenage kids.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: Well, Roger fucked up one day while he was out
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: playing and riding his bike with his buddies. He set
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: his bike down in front of James Hosty's house and
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: his handlebars, you know, when you set you set your
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: bike down, you know, and your handlebars went right in
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: the dirt. Yep, you know, like if you if you're
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: if your handlebar had one of them grips, then it
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: was the end of it was war off and ship
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: and it was hollow and you drop your bike and
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: they would go in the dirt and the grass. Boy,
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: he did that one day and James Hosty come out
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: there and lit his ass up. Boy, God damn it,
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: get your fucking bike off my lawn. And uh, but
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: his old man used to go fishing with Hosty every
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: once in a while, and so they he's got some
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: some cool stories. And you know, of course he didn't
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: know then what he knows now, so that would have
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: been cool. But that's just a little bit from growing
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: up in Kansas City, you know, right down the street
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: from James Hostyll. Right, it's a pretty cool story.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: That is really cool. I remember him telling me that.
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: Now that you repeat it and uh yeah, of course,
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: as we talked about the book review, he was reassigned
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: to Kansas City, and I believe he lived out the
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: rest of his days there. That's why.
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: He did. And we appreciate the support.
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: Turn, Hey, Turn, how are you, sir?
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: We do occasionally in certain groups, but there's some groups
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: it's just insufferable bastards.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: That's just you just can't You're always gonna get dumb comments.
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah, oh I don't, Sally. We don't let him get
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: his down No, I'm cafoss of the week, Thank you.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: Thank you, sir. Sooner Scooter man, I can't tell who
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: it is, Scooter Scooter, No, I know I met male
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: or female. We don't want to miss gender anyone around here.
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: He was an angry leprechaun. He says, well, that's very short.
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: There are so many keyboard warriors out there that don't
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: do ship that just comment and uh guess what your
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: opinion means? Ogots, which is Italian for nothing to us.
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: Or zilt zip mada. Yeah, yeah, all right, Joe, let's
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: kick it all right, let's take a look at I
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: think you got us a little video or something here
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: that before Yeah, kind of set the table.
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I figured this would be a perfect video to
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: set the table. Actually, and uh.
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: And I figured the background music or no skuffoozi in here?
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: Is there?
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: No, I don't think so. Okay, this is just uh,
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: this is from who is it? Ship?
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: Uh?
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: I just want to give I want to give the
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: guy the credit. Dennis Morissett, who has, who has.
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: A lot of of great I can tolerate.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, who has has a great amount of videos on
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: his website JF related, So definitely he is. But hey,
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: he has good videos. So yeah, yeah, I've never had
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: the pleasure.
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: But all right, here we go, not in the David
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: Ferry way, legit, nice guy.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: Hold on, I think I just screwed up.
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: I'm sure you did.
• 30:19
  Speaker 10: Mhm.
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: What is going on here? Alright, let's pull this down
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: while Joe tries to figure it the hell out?
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: Could you not hear it?
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: I don't see it or hear it? Okay, give me
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: one second, your windows offline? Yeah, let me just get
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: it out of here altogether and try from try from scratch.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: Okay, take two.
• 30:54
  Speaker 11: And go.
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: And and let me make sure it's up there.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: There we go.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: Oh no, I just fucking get out of it. It's okay,
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: I have it saved. Don't worry. Uh, that's what happens
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: when you have a million tabs open out once.
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: Oh you're one a million tabs. Oh that's not it.
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: You gotta stab the kidney by an ice skate.
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah all right, Oh, let me bring it up. And
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: here we finally go. So this is the audio of
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: the secretary who allegedly received the Hosty note, And this
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: is going to this video is going to contain a
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: little bit of her testimony, a little bit of what
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: Hosty says, and what some of Gordon Shanklin says.
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: And they don't light up, isn't it.
• 32:30
  Speaker 12: Nanny Lee Fenner remembers receiving the note.
• 32:32
  Speaker 13: Mister jos were gone off the elevator, and from my
• 32:35
  Speaker 13: desk I could see him clearly because my desk was
• 32:38
  Speaker 13: right in the hallway. And he came to my desk.
• 32:43
  Speaker 13: He said, is essay host it please? And he had
• 32:48
  Speaker 13: a wild look in his eye, and he was off
• 32:51
  Speaker 13: with digity, and he had a three or five envelope
• 32:56
  Speaker 13: in his hand. It was not sealed, and in it
• 33:01
  Speaker 13: was a piece of paper and it was folded where
• 33:07
  Speaker 13: the bottom portion of the letter was visible. And the
• 33:12
  Speaker 13: whole time that he was standing there waiting for me
• 33:14
  Speaker 13: to see if, say, host he was in, he kept
• 33:17
  Speaker 13: pulling this.
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: Letter in and out of his envelope.
• 33:20
  Speaker 13: And when I informed him that Essay, host he was
• 33:23
  Speaker 13: not in the office, he put third like that on
• 33:25
  Speaker 13: my desk and he said, we'll give this to him,
• 33:28
  Speaker 13: and turned and walked back.
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: Toward the elevator.
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: Ooh.
• 33:33
  Speaker 13: As the bottom portion of that letter was visible, I
• 33:36
  Speaker 13: could not help but read the last two lines, and
• 33:39
  Speaker 13: the last two lines stated, I leave the blow up
• 33:45
  Speaker 13: the Dallas Police Department and the FBI office.
• 33:49
  Speaker 8: I considered it a threat.
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: So I then took the letter in my hand to
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: see what was.
• 33:55
  Speaker 13: Above that, and I don't remember the exact word, but
• 34:00
  Speaker 13: it was something about speaking to his wife. That was
• 34:04
  Speaker 13: what he was going to do if they didn't stop.
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: Okay, So Rob, before I continue, why would he want
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: to blow up the DPD if the FBI was harassing
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: him and Hosty and his wife.
• 34:21
  Speaker 5: That's a good question because at that time he was
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: off the Dallas Police Department's radar, allegedly.
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: M and who the hell goes into an FBI office
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: and hands in a letter saying that now we are
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: going to hear what Hosty says about the contents of
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: the letter. And I find that much more plausible than this,
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: this FBI secretary.
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, because legitimately, if they had a letter from Lee
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: Harvey Oshol saying he was going to blow up the
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: FBI head quarters, they would have used that.
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, commission exhibit number one.
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: Right, Right, A guy that says this could surely shoot
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: the president, right.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: You know, So let's keep that in mind here as
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: we try to critically think and do thought exercises on this.
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: A polite note, you know, asking nicely doesn't doesn't exactly
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: have the same effect though, right, Yeah, to.
• 35:33
  Speaker 10: The best of my recollection, it said, if you want
• 35:35
  Speaker 10: to talk to me, come talk to me.
• 35:37
  Speaker 8: Don't bother my wife.
• 35:39
  Speaker 10: I want to I want to know when you interview
• 35:41
  Speaker 10: my wife, don't interview her without my permission. And I said,
• 35:46
  Speaker 10: if you don't she talking to her, I will be
• 35:49
  Speaker 10: forced to take action.
• 35:50
  Speaker 8: Against the FBI. Did he indicate what kind of action
• 35:54
  Speaker 8: it would.
• 35:54
  Speaker 10: Be, Well, sir, I know, I know that he was
• 35:57
  Speaker 10: a member of the American Civil Liberties Union, and I
• 36:01
  Speaker 10: just assumed he meant legal action.
• 36:03
  Speaker 8: We'd had some day anything about the blow up the office. No, sir,
• 36:07
  Speaker 8: I would remember that.
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: That's what I think.
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: I would take legal action. That's what I think he
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: meant to infer if the note was even real. I mean,
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: I'm sure it was real, but you know what I mean.
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, all right.
• 36:31
  Speaker 10: Sunday, November twenty fourth, it was at least two hours
• 36:35
  Speaker 10: after the announced death of leg Oswall. It could have
• 36:38
  Speaker 10: been three or four hours afterwards. It was sometime that
• 36:41
  Speaker 10: afternoon of November twenty fourth. Mister Howe told me that
• 36:47
  Speaker 10: mister Shanklin wanted to see me in mister Howe in
• 36:50
  Speaker 10: his office.
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: What transpired it?
• 36:52
  Speaker 10: Then mister Shanklin reached down into the lower right hand
• 36:57
  Speaker 10: drawer of his desk. It's a large double drawer in
• 37:02
  Speaker 10: which he has numerous Manila folders where they keep various notes.
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: There's a folder for each agent, and they keep.
• 37:09
  Speaker 10: Various notations and routing slips, air forms and things like that,
• 37:13
  Speaker 10: and these folders.
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: He reached down and took out.
• 37:18
  Speaker 10: The memorandum and the note in question, and he had
• 37:22
  Speaker 10: it to me and he said, in effect, Oswald's dead now,
• 37:27
  Speaker 10: there can be no trial here.
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: Get rid of this.
• 37:31
  Speaker 10: I then proceeded to tear it up his presence. He said, no,
• 37:35
  Speaker 10: get it out of here. I don't even want it
• 37:37
  Speaker 10: in this office.
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: Get rid of it. I then took it out and
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: destroyed it. And how did you destroy it?
• 37:42
  Speaker 10: I took it into the washroom and flushed it down
• 37:45
  Speaker 10: the drain.
• 37:46
  Speaker 9: Did you testify before the War and Commission?
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: I did.
• 37:49
  Speaker 9: Did you volunteer or give any information about the note
• 37:52
  Speaker 9: or its destruction?
• 37:53
  Speaker 8: I did not?
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: Why not?
• 37:55
  Speaker 8: I wasn't asked.
• 37:56
  Speaker 9: Did you give any information or volunteer any information with
• 38:00
  Speaker 9: respect to your instructions regarding Commission Exhibit oneh three?
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: No, sir, why not?
• 38:05
  Speaker 8: I wasn't asked.
• 38:07
  Speaker 9: Did you think about volunteering the information?
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: No, sir, why not?
• 38:14
  Speaker 10: I was instructed when I went up there that I
• 38:17
  Speaker 10: was to only answer the questions that were set to me,
• 38:20
  Speaker 10: and I was not to expand on anything, and not
• 38:22
  Speaker 10: to elaborate, to only answer the questions that were put
• 38:24
  Speaker 10: to me.
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: And who get.
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: Because Jagahova would bury this guy in a place worse
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: than Kansas City if he started answering questions that he
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: wasn't asked.
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: Well that and also you know the the Warren Commission
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: lawyers who were asking these questions, right had a specific narrative.
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: And again this seems to be a really common thread
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: with anybody who was questioned by the Warren Commission that
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: you complete answered their questions that they asked, and nothing more.
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: They were cut off if they started to go off
• 39:08
  Speaker 5: on a tangent or elaborate, right, or they were taking
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: off the record, if they were starting to do something
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: like that as well, or that part of what they
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: said just didn't end up in the final transcripts.
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: Right. And you got to keep in mind, this isn't
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: a trial, right, so there's no cross examination sa Mark.
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: Just for argument's sake, sain Mark Lane ended up defending
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: Lee Harvey Oswald. There would have been a cross examination
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: of host Y and a bunch of other people. There
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: was no such thing in the Workhmission. The lawyers knew
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: exactly what to ask. When things veered off, they changed
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: the subject. We've gone through the pattern hundreds of times
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: here on the show.
• 39:59
  Speaker 14: YEP, give you those instructions given to me by at
• 40:06
  Speaker 14: least two officials in Dallas and at least one in
• 40:10
  Speaker 14: the FBI headquarters.
• 40:11
  Speaker 8: They were given to me.
• 40:12
  Speaker 10: By mister Shanklin, mister Gimberling, who was a supervisor who
• 40:18
  Speaker 10: succeeded mister Howe, and also by a former assistant director,
• 40:23
  Speaker 10: Alan Belmont.
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: Belmont is also a name you see a lot on
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: these FBI reports with Tulsen, with Hoover, right, oh yeah,
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: almost always ce Seed.
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: He was Ziegar Hoover's shiny sharp dagger, if you.
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: Will, his other one. He had multiple other than Tulson.
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: I mean, I'm not talking about anything sexual, Joe. I'm
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: talking about okay in a malicious way. I see sir
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: Euphemism'm for Jaeger's penis.
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: No, I gotta get my mind out on the gunner.
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: Yes, guys, bless.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: So, now we're gonna hear Gordon Shanklin's testimony.
• 41:25
  Speaker 12: Allegedly got to give you a minute to read here
• 41:31
  Speaker 12: from Gordon Shanklin.
• 41:32
  Speaker 15: I have no recollection of hearing of Oswalt's visit to
• 41:35
  Speaker 15: the NAVIS office or of the note. I have no
• 41:38
  Speaker 15: recollection of ever seeing. In short, I do not remember
• 41:42
  Speaker 15: discussing the note or Oswalt's visit with anyone at any
• 41:46
  Speaker 15: time prior to last You lie. Now, a bomb threat
• 41:50
  Speaker 15: to the law enforcement office is the equivalent of what
• 41:53
  Speaker 15: I'd say of a red flag in front of a bull.
• 41:56
  Speaker 15: I would never be indifferent to such threats against the
• 41:59
  Speaker 15: lives of my associates are myself. After many hours of
• 42:03
  Speaker 15: reflection and searching my memory, I've concluded that had to
• 42:07
  Speaker 15: note contained FETs of violence, and had I known of
• 42:10
  Speaker 15: it at the time, I would remember it. Finally understand,
• 42:13
  Speaker 15: in one version of the story, I'm supposed to have
• 42:16
  Speaker 15: ordered the destruction of the note. I can state here
• 42:19
  Speaker 15: and now that I know he never gave any such order.
• 42:23
  Speaker 15: I would never have and certainly did not order destruction.
• 42:26
  Speaker 16: Of a note.
• 42:27
  Speaker 12: The committee tries to resolve this central question. Counsel to
• 42:31
  Speaker 12: James Hosting.
• 42:32
  Speaker 16: You're aware of the fact that mister Shankton denies any
• 42:36
  Speaker 16: knowledge of the note prior to July of this year, Yes, sir,
• 42:39
  Speaker 16: I've seen that, and he asso stated under oath to
• 42:43
  Speaker 16: this committee as recently as yesterday, Yes, sir, and.
• 42:47
  Speaker 8: You are under oath, Yes, sir, understanding.
• 42:50
  Speaker 16: So do you wish to change your testimony in no
• 42:53
  Speaker 16: way or on fun reflection, No, sir, absolutely not.
• 42:56
  Speaker 12: There remains a direct contradiction, and no one, not even
• 42:59
  Speaker 12: Secret Fenner, can clear it up. And Shanklin stands firm.
• 43:03
  Speaker 9: Prior to November twenty second, nineteen sixty three. Did you
• 43:07
  Speaker 9: have any contact with or knowledge of Lee Harvey Oswald?
• 43:11
  Speaker 8: I never heard of him.
• 43:12
  Speaker 9: Before prior to November twenty second, nineteen sixty three. Were
• 43:16
  Speaker 9: you aware, personally aware that the FBI had a file
• 43:20
  Speaker 9: on Lee Harvey Oswald and that one of your agents
• 43:22
  Speaker 9: was handling an investigation.
• 43:24
  Speaker 17: No, sir, I did not, you know, candas, sir, I
• 43:27
  Speaker 17: at lunch time, I looked up the Peguri statutes and
• 43:31
  Speaker 17: what our witnesses required to say, and oh, why are
• 43:34
  Speaker 17: you so equivocal?
• 43:36
  Speaker 8: Well, I don't think I am. I mean, I'm trying
• 43:39
  Speaker 8: to tell you the truth. And I don't think that
• 43:42
  Speaker 8: I tried to point out in this thing.
• 43:44
  Speaker 15: Now, if the note said anything about it had a thrip,
• 43:48
  Speaker 15: I don't think it.
• 43:48
  Speaker 8: I would have ever forgotten, you see what I'm talking about.
• 43:52
  Speaker 15: But now if mister host It come running in there
• 43:54
  Speaker 15: with innumerable other things, all right, mister Howe came.
• 43:57
  Speaker 8: In and they said, we've got a note here from.
• 44:01
  Speaker 15: Oswall that says, don't go following my wife, but talk
• 44:07
  Speaker 15: to me or I'll go through proper channels.
• 44:09
  Speaker 8: I don't know that I would remember that. I mean,
• 44:12
  Speaker 8: I would have said.
• 44:12
  Speaker 15: Handle it, which in my opinion, would have been to include.
• 44:17
  Speaker 17: It in a report, and that would have been in Well,
• 44:20
  Speaker 17: we have to believe you, sir, or we have to
• 44:22
  Speaker 17: believe four others who contradict you.
• 44:25
  Speaker 8: We can't have it both ways.
• 44:26
  Speaker 17: The Devilement Adjustice is not going to resolve it. They're
• 44:29
  Speaker 17: not going to prosecute at all. So it's left up
• 44:31
  Speaker 17: to Congress. We represent the American people here. We're not
• 44:35
  Speaker 17: going to sit back and allow totally absolutely contradictory statements
• 44:39
  Speaker 17: to go in challenge, so doty not to do that?
• 44:41
  Speaker 8: And how did the Edwards Committee pursue the issue?
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: Author George O'Toole.
• 44:46
  Speaker 11: Unfortunately, the Edwards Committee is not pursuing this matter, even
• 44:51
  Speaker 11: though it clearly has a case of someone having perjured
• 44:55
  Speaker 11: himself before the subcommittee and the sworn testimony. And that
• 45:01
  Speaker 11: again is another disappointment that we've suffered recently.
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: The Edwards Committee raised more questions than it answered.
• 45:08
  Speaker 11: There's no point in us doing anything more. We don't
• 45:11
  Speaker 11: have subpoena power, and we keep coming up against that.
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: We know individuals, Oh boy, what did I miss?
• 45:25
  Speaker 5: Big Roger comes through? Oh wow, thank you Roger, you
• 45:31
  Speaker 5: got that right fuckeryabounds.
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you even hear the congress person calling him out. Well,
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: there are four you under there are four people contradict
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: your story, and he still doesn't care what it's not just.
• 45:48
  Speaker 5: About the note though. You're telling me that Hosty's boss
• 45:54
  Speaker 5: doesn't know anything about Lee Harvey Oswald before the twenty
• 45:58
  Speaker 5: second in November. Bullshit, right, bullshit?
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no.
• 46:08
  Speaker 5: Way because, as we'll find out this evening, there were
• 46:15
  Speaker 5: communication between the New Orleans office and the Dallas office
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: about Lee Harvey Oswald. You'll see somewhere around September tenth
• 46:25
  Speaker 5: where Hosty is assigned. He didn't just someday decide to
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: do his own thing in the Dallas office, you know
• 46:34
  Speaker 5: what I mean. Somebody had to tell him what to do.
• 46:37
  Speaker 5: And you know how the FBI works, show, You got
• 46:39
  Speaker 5: to write reports on everything, report to your superior so
• 46:42
  Speaker 5: they know exactly what the hell is going on. Yes,
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: when Jagger calls and asks a question about something, they're
• 46:49
  Speaker 5: not in the dark. So to me, Shanklin is a
• 46:58
  Speaker 5: lying liar.
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, Uh, there's a couple of seconds left of this.
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to play it because it's kind of
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: from an author and uh whatever, but uh yeah, I mean,
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: like Roger says, fucker Rea Bounds, It's it's crazy, and
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: you know, it points to the the effect that Jagahova
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: had on his uh subordinates.
• 47:29
  Speaker 5: Right yeah. Why didn't Georgia too run run these voices
• 47:32
  Speaker 5: through his uh PSR machine from the assassination tapes? He
• 47:40
  Speaker 5: wrote the book the Assassination Tapes, and he had a
• 47:42
  Speaker 5: PSR machine like a like an audio light detector machine, Joe,
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: and he ran a lot of the audio from people
• 47:48
  Speaker 5: associated with this case through it and kind of figured
• 47:50
  Speaker 5: who was lying about things, you know, like his like
• 47:54
  Speaker 5: his book, like his his machine said Oswald wasn't lying
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: when he said certain things about like I didn't shoot
• 47:59
  Speaker 5: anybody or like that, and determined Bill Frasier was lying
• 48:04
  Speaker 5: about everything that came out of his mouth things like that.
• 48:08
  Speaker 5: So maybe the Shanklin audio would be good to run
• 48:11
  Speaker 5: through the PSR machine.
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I mean I don't even think you'd need to.
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: It's just so obvious that this dude is lying. Maybe
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: that's why he didn't do it.
• 48:24
  Speaker 5: There you go, Volta.
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, So before I turn it over to you, Rob,
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: I just want to go through a little timeline of
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: Hosty and Oswalt in New Orleans and Dallas. Okay, and
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: let's see so from July twelve, sixty two to March four,
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: six three, host Y keeps Marina's Oswalt's case inactive pending
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: status for about six months, And as we talked about
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: in the book review, I think they were a lot
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: more concerned about Marina being a honeypot and possible spy
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: than they were about late Yes. March fourth, sixty three,
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: Hosty determines Oswalt moved from Fort Worth to Elsbeth Street
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: in Dallas, this end six month pending status of case.
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: This starts Hosty's efforts to investigate Marina on the basis
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: that the FBI conducts investigation of immigrants on a selective basis,
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: and Marina was then selected. So yes. About a week later,
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: March eleventh, sixty three, Hosty determines from Elsbeth Street landlady
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: that Oswalt's were evicted on the third of March sixty three,
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: postal authorities. I wonder who those could be wrong reveal
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: Oswalt's addresses two fourteen k Neely Street. On the fourteenth
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: of March sixty three, host he verifies the Neely Street
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: address he host He then checks Oswalt's files and finds
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: a letter from the New York FBI advising Oswalt was
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: on the mailing list of the New York or New
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: York Daily Worker. I don't know if that's about wrongers
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: or knew something. We then go to March twenty fifth,
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: sixty three. Host He sends a request to FBI headquarters
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: to reopen Lee Harvey Oswalt's case mid May brought mid May.
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: Interesting how it doesn't have a date. Post he learns
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: that the Oswalts had left their Neely's treat address. Interest
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: might be another one of those things that supports our theory.
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: June sixty three, New Orleans, Hosty receives a communication dated
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: four twenty one, sixty three from New Orleans FBI advising
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: a confidential informant reports that Oswalt was in contact with
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: the Fair Play for Cuba committee in New York, at
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: which Oswalt said he had passed out pamphlets. Fast forward
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: to June seventeenth, sixty three. Post He receives a communication
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: from the New Orleans FBI advising Oswalt was in New
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: Orleans and requesting information on him. So again things are
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: moving a little slow, right because he was obviously in
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: New Orleans, you know, almost two months before then, according
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: to the official story, maybe earlier. Fast forward August or yeah,
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: August tenth, sixty three, quickly and leharb Oswalt interview conducted
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: at Oswalt's request to speak to an FBI agent. Okay,
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: so that's the day following his arrest for distributing leaflets
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: and the whole fracas would bring ye, the interview conducted
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: on the tenth. Then we fast forward to October third,
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: sixty three. Hosty receives a communication from New Orleans FBI
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: advising that the Oswalts had left the New Orleans area.
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: Ten Hosty. Hosty receives communication from New Orleans FBI advising
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: him Oswald had visited Soviet embassy in Mexico City and
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: last one ten twenty nine. October twenty ninth, sixty three,
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: Hosty receives communication from New Orleans FBI advising that Oswalt's
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: address is in Irving Street, Texas. I think there's one more, yes,
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: twenty ninth. Hosty makes a pretext call to Dorothy Roberts
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: and determines twenty five point fifteen. Address is the residence
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: of Ruth Paine, with whom Marina lives. So Hosty's kind
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: of on it, right, he's on it. He's keeping tabs
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: on the file, which Shanklin, of course, he lies Hosty
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: with subject Ruth Paine. Hosty interviews with Paine, who admits
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: that Marina lives with her, but not Lee. Pain informs
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: Hosty osl works at Dallas Book Depository. Host He meets
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: Marina for the first time on November one, right, so
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: that's an important date. November one, sixty three. You're talking
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: twenty one days, you know, three weeks before the assassination.
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: Lee name a phone number with Pain. Two days later,
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: three days later, Hosty makes a pretext call to the
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: book depository and confirms the address, which is confusing to
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: me because didn't they not have the right address? Sends
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: request to New Orleans office to make Dallas office of
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: origin for Oswald Cake.
• 54:43
  Speaker 5: So they're kind of like Lee put Ruth's address on
• 54:45
  Speaker 5: his depository application.
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, not really where he was living, but right.
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: Eleven five sixty three, Hosty and William Wilson was another
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: I believe FBI agent learned from Pain that Oswald had
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: visited family. Paine did not know where Oswalt lived in Dallas.
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: That's interesting, she did not know. I I believe it
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: was it was Beckley at that time. Right eleven two
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: Hosty with bookout interview conducted after Oswalt was taken into
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: custody following the shooting of JP. Oswald exhibits great hostility
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: towards FBI men, especially Hosty, who Oswalt says he's heard
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: about before.
• 55:41
  Speaker 5: Yes, Yeah, the that was the I believe that was
• 55:45
  Speaker 5: the only interrogation that Hosty sat in on and asked
• 55:48
  Speaker 5: questions because he got Oswald very upset uh during the interrogation,
• 55:58
  Speaker 5: and UH did not want Oswald being upset when they
• 56:03
  Speaker 5: questioned him. So that would be the one and only
• 56:09
  Speaker 5: interview that Hossy sat in on because the things got
• 56:12
  Speaker 5: a little contentious, if you will.
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: M Yeah, they probably said probably not best for you
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: to be here, Yeah, and replaced it with other FBI agents, Phoebe.
• 56:33
  Speaker 5: The Phoebees. So is that all you had there, Joe
• 56:38
  Speaker 5: on that? Yeah, Okay, So I got an awkward document
• 56:46
  Speaker 5: and it doesn't really make a lot of sense, but
• 56:51
  Speaker 5: we'll try to make some sense out of it. Okay,
• 56:55
  Speaker 5: this is an FBI document and it's I don't know
• 57:00
  Speaker 5: if it is or it is referencing. It has to
• 57:05
  Speaker 5: be referencing James Hosty's report of September tenth, nineteen sixty three,
• 57:15
  Speaker 5: so you remember it. It's this date. Oswald is still
• 57:18
  Speaker 5: living in New Orleans. Okay, So I mean unless at
• 57:27
  Speaker 5: this time Hosty is in constant contact with the New
• 57:30
  Speaker 5: Orleans office.
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: But do you have it on paper? Because I actually
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: have a slide. I can put it up.
• 57:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you can put up a slide while I got it.
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: This is the same one, right, yeah, nine time the
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: start of it. Hope, let me fucking at it.
• 57:57
  Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, yeah, this is what I got here. So
• 58:00
  Speaker 5: it goes on to say something about the background, right,
• 58:06
  Speaker 5: and they talk about his land his landlord, mister Jesse
• 58:10
  Speaker 5: James Garner in magazine Street yep. Now, apparently they went
• 58:16
  Speaker 5: and talked to Garners the FBI on August fifth and
• 58:24
  Speaker 5: said that Lee Oswald and his wife have occupied the
• 58:26
  Speaker 5: apartment since June of sixty three, and a missus Mary Bertucci,
• 58:33
  Speaker 5: a secretary at the William Riley Coffee Company, advised on
• 58:37
  Speaker 5: August fifth that Lee Harvey Oswald had been employed as
• 58:39
  Speaker 5: a maintenance man since May fifteenth. Apparently she didn't know
• 58:44
  Speaker 5: he no longer worked there at that time, right, he
• 58:47
  Speaker 5: had been gotten since what junior July?
• 58:50
  Speaker 15: Right?
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: Uh?
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I believe I believe July, because he was
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: definitely not employed by the time the fracas came or
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: in August.
• 59:00
  Speaker 5: So right. And then on March eleventh, sixty three, the
• 59:07
  Speaker 5: apartment manager at Elsbeth advised that Lee Harvey Oswald and
• 59:11
  Speaker 5: his wife Marina had moved from that apartment to Neely
• 59:14
  Speaker 5: Street in Dallas, Missus Tobias advised that they had considerable
• 59:18
  Speaker 5: difficulty with mister Oswald, who apparently drank to excess and
• 59:22
  Speaker 5: beat his wife on numerous occasions. Now, what I think
• 59:25
  Speaker 5: that is, Joe, is that one of them probably drank
• 59:32
  Speaker 5: to excess and it wasn't Lee, okay, and that they
• 59:36
  Speaker 5: had very loud, boisterous arguments. And I don't know that
• 59:42
  Speaker 5: there's any proof that Lee ever beat Marina or she
• 59:45
  Speaker 5: beat him or anything like that. But you know, when
• 59:48
  Speaker 5: you're when you're screaming and you're drunk and you're you know,
• 59:52
  Speaker 5: you're slamming doors and throwing shit or pounding on the walls.
• 59:57
  Speaker 5: You know, things can be misconstrued a lot of ways,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 5: and back then they probably figured that it was Oswald
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 5: drinking and beating his wife, you know what I mean.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: And by the way, if you were living next to me,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: you would hear voice first arguments on the daily.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 5: That just leads to Joe having a drinking problem and
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 5: beating his.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: Girl, or my girlfriend having one and beating me.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 5: There you go, Now, we love Eric, Yes we do.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 5: And then on September twenty eighth, nineteen sixty two, okay,
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 5: we're going back in time here a little bit, a
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 5: Dallas confidential informant T one aka Harry Holmes advised that
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 5: Lee Oswald, who at that time resided on Mercedes Street
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 5: in Fort Worth, was a subscriber to The Worker, an
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 5: East Coast communist newspaper, and on April twenty first, sixty three,
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 5: Dallas Confidential informant T two advised that Lee Oswald of
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 5: Dallas was in contact with the Fair Play for Cuba
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 5: Committee in New York City, at which time he advised
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 5: that he passed out pamphlets for the Fair Play for
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 5: Cuba Committee. According to T three, all right, I'm sorry,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 5: T two, Oswald had a placard around his neck reading
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 5: Hands Off Cuba, Viva Faddel. Now this is interesting because
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 5: the only other time that we've ever heard that Oswald
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 5: had a placard around his neck, they said Viva Faddel
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 5: was not in Dallas, but in New Orleans, right before
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 5: the street fracas. So remember this is all the way
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 5: back in April, April sixty three, a Dallas confidential informant
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 5: advised that Oswald had been in contact with the Fair
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 5: Play for Cuba committee and that he was passing out
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 5: pamphlets for them and wearing a placard. So this had
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 5: to be in Dallas in April or in New Orleans
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 5: in April. But how would a Dallas informant know what
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 5: the fuck is going on in New Orleans? Which lends
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 5: me to believe that somebody saw Oswald doing this in Dallas,
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 5: which we have absolutely no proof of. There are rumblings,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 5: but uh interesting. So from the hosty notes of the
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 5: interrogation that recently came to light, thank you to Malcolm
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 5: Blunt and Bart Camp for finding them and posting them online.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 5: The we always had that the after the interrogation, typed up,
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 5: cleaned up version from the Hosty interrogation. We'd always had that,
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 5: but we never had the contemporaneous. As the interrogation is
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 5: going going on Hosty's handwritten notes. He's asking him questions,
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 5: and he's writing down Oswald's answers. Okay, and some of
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 5: the notable things in here, okay. And this all took
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 5: place on October I'm sorry, November twenty second, nineteen sixty three,
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 5: at three point fifteen pm. So remember Oswald was brought
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 5: arrested and brought into the station somewhere around two o'clock.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 5: So within an hour and fifteen minutes of that happening,
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 5: Hosty is sitting in on an interrogation, and he says,
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 5: at three fifteen pm, LHO was interviewed by Captain Fritz
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 5: book out and himself a captain, I can't read the writing.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: Hold on, I am going, I'm going to put it
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: up because I have it here somewhere. Maybe I could help,
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: probably not.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 5: Oh, Captain Fritz advised him of his rights, et cetera.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 5: So you know, they sat him down and Fritz said, look,
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 5: you know they gave him the old Uh. They advised
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 5: him of his rights, his Miranda rights. I don't think
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 5: they were called that back then, But basically, you don't
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 5: have to say something if you don't wants it to right.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: This is it right?
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm still at the top there. Yep. Captain Fritz
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 5: advised him of his rights, et cetera. Right under word,
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 5: it's affidavit in backwards. Yeah, and then he says Lho
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 5: advised he resided at ten twenty six North Beckley. Now,
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 5: this is the earliest that we know of where Oswald
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 5: admitted to staying at the rooming house at ten to
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 5: twenty six North Beckley, because we do have inflicting reports
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 5: about how quickly police and FBI showed up to that
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 5: address at ten twenty six North Beckley and searched it.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 5: The earliest possible again would have been during this interrogation
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 5: at three point fifteen pm when they started it. Okay,
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 5: he even told them under I stayed there under the
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 5: name oh Lee and that he was employed with the
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 5: Texas Book Depository. So he tells him he was staying
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 5: there under an alias. And then in the green part,
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 5: he says Oswald stated he was present for work at
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 5: the Texas School Book Depository on the morning of eleven
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 5: twenty two and at noon went to lunch. He said
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 5: he went to the second floor to get a coke
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 5: to eat with lunch and return to the first floor
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 5: to eat his lunch, then went outside to watch the
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 5: presidential parade. Yes, he advised he resided in the Soviet
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 5: Union for three years before returning to the US. Denied
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 5: he was ever in Latin America other than Tijuana, Mexico.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 5: Which is interesting because he's telling them a lot of
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 5: truth here so far until.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: This line, right, and Tijuana is just south of San Diego.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 5: Right, We've been using the Marine Corps and across the
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 5: border to Tijuana with some bodies and watched the.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: Donkeys, right right, right, right, I remember that, Yes.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 5: And denying that he made a trip to Mexico City.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 5: Now you're sitting at a table across from two FBI agents,
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 5: one of whom you know has been watched your every
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 5: move and trying to question your wife about things. Okay,
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 5: so you have to understand that maybe the FBI knows something. Also, Dumas,
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 5: in August of nineteen sixty three, when you got arrested
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 5: in New Orleans, you asked for somebody of the FBI
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 5: to come talk to you, okay, and you told him
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 5: a bunch of bullshit, but you still talk to them.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 5: So he's got to know that he's on the FBI radar.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 5: You know, he's got to know he's being viewed as
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 5: suspicious as being a defector living in Russia, bringing back
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 5: a Russian wife. He's got to know that, right. But
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 5: he tells them he's never been to Latin America, which
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 5: includes Mexico, which supports the fact that Oswald never went
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 5: to Mexico, but somebody impersonating him did. Again, if you
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 5: believe everything that comes out of Oswald's mouth at this.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 18: Time, this is what he's saying, Okay, which, to be
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 18: fair is you know, we know how much Oswalt lied
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 18: to UH, to the FBI in New Orleans after the fractae, right, So.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: You know you can't take everything Oswald says, you know
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 3: as truth, right. Uh.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 5: He stated his wife was a Soviet citizen and he
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 5: had been advised he had been in contact with.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 3: J. J. C J. I think it's an E J E.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 5: I don't know j Edgar Jaegahova, it's people protect me.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 5: Who knows?
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: Maybe he was this other boy toy.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 5: He stated that the only organization he belonged to was
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 5: the fair Play for Cuba Committee, which he described as
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 5: an organization which favored favored Fidel Castro. So he's telling
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 5: him a lot of truth, but either not the whole truth,
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 5: maybe not nothing but the truth, but a lot of truth.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 5: Someday Joe will know how to work these fucking things.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: No, it takes a minute for it to come up
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 3: for me to remove it. No, I'm serious, it came up.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 3: I removed it within one second. No, No, it's true.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 3: I was waiting for it to pop up. I'm right,
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 3: unless one.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 5: But so, we just watched a little bit from the
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 5: Edwards Committee. Okay, whatever the fuck that was.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, some subcommittee. It's kind of like the Lunar Committee.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 3: No subpoena power.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah, right, that's kind of how we might charge you
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 5: with perjury, but we probably won't. H but uh, yeah,
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 5: there were some other things in there. Again, if if
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 5: Hosty's doing all this stuff, and Joe shows you the
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 5: timeline of dealing with Hosty or Hosty dealing with Oswald,
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 5: there's no way Hosty's not making reports of everything that
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 5: he's doing and and and sending them up the ladder.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 5: And if Shanklin's not seeing him, well then Shanklan's just
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 5: blatantly not doing his job. He should be knowing what
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 5: all of his h underlings are doing, you know, that
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 5: field office in Dallas or you know, you think that
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 5: if it wasn't just in reports that you know, Hosty
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 5: would actually see Shanklin in the office and talk to him,
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 5: or Shankly'd be like, hey, buddy, I'm seeing you in
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 5: a couple of weeks. What are you working on?
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 5: Well, you know, it's be like, hey, if you read
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 5: my fucking reports, you'd know what I'm doing, asshole.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 3: But uh, bro, what's the last comment you see?
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 5: The last comment that I see.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 3: It's Rogers twenty six minutes ago, and that's different on
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 3: my phone.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 19: Yeah, I'm seeing Sally's Oh, something's fucked up with mine
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 19: because she's asking could Hosty be going over Shanklin's head. No,
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 19: Shanklin's the biggest swinging dick in the office. Yeah, they're
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 19: they're specifically told to keep it from shank Lynn and
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 19: send it only to d C.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 5: But I doubt that because again, at this time, Oswald
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 5: was just being weird. He wasn't, you know, a big threat, right, Yeah,
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 5: I'm not sure what's going on there.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 3: Joe with your Yeah, no, I see him on my phone,
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: you know what, let me refresh really quickly as you
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 3: keep going.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 5: Okay, and there he goes. All right, let's switch gears
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 5: here and talk about a little something.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 3: And hand he's back and the comments are working, so sorry, okay.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 5: All good. Yes, So we're gonna take a look at
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 5: another video here, folks, just to set a little bit
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 5: of a table here for you you for what we're
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 5: going to be going into next. This video is quite awesome,
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 5: and you know it always it's good for context. When
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 5: you actually see people and you hear them talking, you
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 5: can get a different mental picture of who these people were.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 15: We're not.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 5: I can sit here and say, or as Pania said this,
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 5: he was the he was you know, he ran the
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 5: Havana Bar. You know, you can have a mental image
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 5: of him, but to you know, specifically gauge a person trustworthiness,
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 5: I think it helps when you see them and you
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 5: actually hear them speak. Yeah, you know, so let's take
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 5: a look at a at a little video from a
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 5: nineteen seventy five documentary called The American Assassins. And you're
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 5: going to see in here, or as Payania, you're going
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 5: to see in here, Warren de Bruiz. Yeah, you're going
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 5: to see in here, William Walter, the due the works
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 5: at the Night the Night desk at the New Orleans office,
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 5: all within four minutes and fifty five seconds. And there's
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 5: some good shit in here. So pay attention and we're
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 5: gonna talk about it afterwards.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, all right, you ready? Here we go looking forward
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 3: to it.
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  Speaker 20: Water in City Brew.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 21: Warren de Brew is an FBI agent, and you saw
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 21: him with Lee Harvey Oswald.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 20: Yes, I knew water in City Brew very well because
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 20: I used to work quitting.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 3: What did you do with Warren Debrew?
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 20: I was an informer for the FBI about the people
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 20: in New Orleans.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 21: What happened when the FBI agent who you said you
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 21: had seen with Lee Harvey Oswald, who was also the
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 21: man you were the informant for. What happened when he
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 21: came to the bar before you went to the Warren Commission.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 20: About ten days before I went to the technify at
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 20: the Watant Commission. Could be less than ten days. He
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 20: came and he called me from behind the bar that
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 20: he wanted to talk to me.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 3: He called me on the table.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 20: He told me he was very very nebbiss, very nebbiss.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 20: And he told me, if you ever talked anything about me,
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 20: I will get three of three.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 3: Of you us.
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  Speaker 8: He often does well.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 5: One C.
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  Speaker 22: De BRUEs is now the Special Agent in charge of
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 22: the FBI office in San Masao, Rico.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 5: He talked to Bruce Hall.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 21: Did you know, a rest opinion, who is the operator
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 21: of the Habana Bar in New Orleans?
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 8: What was your relationship with.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 4: He was an individual that I.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 23: Recall having contacted, perhaps as many as a dozen times,
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 23: I suppose.
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  Speaker 4: During the early nineteen.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 23: Sixties prior to the assassination of President Kennedy.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 21: A rest Openia says that he was in a literal
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 21: sense and informer for the FBI, and he knew you
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 21: well because you were his contact man with the FBI.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 4: Look his eye, and that on numerous occasions he.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 21: Saw you and Lee Harvey Oswald together and in particular
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 21: and a Greek restaurant in New Orleans and the French Quarter.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 8: What is your response to that.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 4: My response to that is he is wrong in his statements.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 23: I have never seen Lee Harvey Oswall at any time
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 23: in my life personally.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 4: Or nor have I talked to him by telephone.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 3: Knowingly, knowingly, I've had.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 23: Absolutely no contact, no personal knowledge, firsthand contact with Lee
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 23: Harvey Oswall, nor do I have any secondary contact with him.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 21: Was Lee Harvey Oswald an informant of the FBI?
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 23: He was not my informant, and I have no information
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 23: whatsoever that he had ever been an informant for the FBI.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 21: Did you ever use the phrase to get your ass
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 21: or threaten arrest Opania in any way in connection with
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 21: his Warrant Commission testimony looking.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 23: Him look up to the right, I certainly don't recall.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 23: I I haven't made that statement to arrest Espania. My
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 23: recollection is that I treated him with a great deal
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 23: of patience and with due respect. There would have been
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 23: no reason whatsoever for me to have made such a statement.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 22: William Walter was an FBI security code clerk in the
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 22: New Orleans office of the FBI from nineteen sixty one
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 22: until nineteen sixty six.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 4: He told me about Oswald and the FBI.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 22: Do you think Oswald was, by your definition and by
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 22: the Bureau's definition, an informant? Yes, I'm sure he was,
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 22: and you were certain on the basis of what you
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 22: did in the normal course of your duties that Oswald's
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 22: name was on the New Orleans FBI office security index file.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 11: I'm positive.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 4: I would say that's a falsehood. Had he been an informant, and.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 23: Had I had him as a subject of my investigation,
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 23: it would have been logical that I would have been
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 23: aware of that fact because of cross references in the
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 23: file and for many other reasons, and I'd.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 4: Say that is a falsehood.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 21: Mister Walters also says that Oswald's name was on the
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 21: security index file. Could Oswald's name have been on the
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 21: security index file? And what was the security index file?
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 23: I have no idea at this time whether his name
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 23: was on any type of special index and as relates
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 23: to what you term a security index file, I'd rather
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 23: not get into the discussion of administrative techniques employed within
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 23: the office and respectfully decline to answer that question.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 22: On November one, nineteen sixty three, FBI agent James P.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 22: Husti did the pain home seeking Oswald's whereabouts. Husty's name
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 22: and telephone number were found in Oswold's notebook when he
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 22: was arrested after the Kennedy murder. The FBI failed to
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 22: tell the Warren Commission that after Hasty's visit to Marino.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah, wow, how you like that?
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 3: Bro? I have a lot of reactions to that. I'll
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 3: start with the first one. Arrest Arrest Pania seems very credible,
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 3: right to me. To the layman's eyes, Warren Debris seems
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 3: like he's lying, lying through his ass. He's looking up
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 3: like this, and uh, James had a good comment. Blink
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 3: blink blink. Yeah, he was blinking quickly and looking up
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 3: into the right.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah, right, his right, I guess, which I think is
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 5: a And it looks how you was trying not to
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 5: laugh the whole time that he's being asked these questions,
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 5: like you know, like I'm really gonna say something here.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 3: And he's like I never talked to him knowingly, Like
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 3: why would you add knowingly in there? You know what
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 3: I mean?
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 5: Like like those little little well, at least we knew
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 5: how to say this motherfucker's name to Bruce Bruce. I've
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 5: been calling him Warren Debriz for Debruis or Debris, it's
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 5: de Bruce.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 3: I think we just keep with Debris to be honest.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 3: It's easier. And William Walter, well, yeah, William Walter is
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 3: so confident in his answers immediate responses, Yes, I'm sure
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 3: of it.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 5: Does he look like a lion kooch to you, William Walter?
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 5: They painted that otherfucker as a a bitter ex employee
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 5: that was just lying his ass off for some reason.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 5: To me, he looked one hundred percent legit.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 3: He seems like a nerd that would be employed in
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 3: that type of position, and he seems like someone that
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 3: can't be intimidated in the way that Debruis de brus
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 3: or Shanklin could be.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 5: You know what I mean, a shit eating green That
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 5: is a perfect description of Debruz.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 3: Wow, I've never seen that video. Thank you so much.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it helps when you see these people talk and
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 5: none of them will read this ship all day, but
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 5: you don't get a sense of how trustworthy, and you
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 5: don't get that sixth sense of who's telling the truth here, right,
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 5: you know, until you actually see these people talk.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I know they didn't look like I thought
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 3: they would look, so that that was surprising, But that's
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 3: I guess always the case.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 5: Right, we played the he tells me he gets my ass.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean, yeah, that that is crazy. Uh,
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 3: you're right, a video, what do they.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 5: Say, a picture is worth a thousand words of the
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 5: video is worth a million. Yeah, exactly. So you know,
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 5: we talked a lot Wednesday night about Orespana and what
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 5: he has said over the years, and I'm more inclined
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 5: to believe him now after seeing that video about everything
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 5: that he's saying. So we read a little bit of
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 5: of some of the things that Oris Paine has said.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 5: Now I've come across his House Select Committee on Assassinations
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 5: interview from January of nineteen seventy eight Joe Okay, and
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 5: it starts off the subject who was highly emotional concerning
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 5: this investigation, preceded the interview with his opinion that nothing
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 5: has been or will be done concerning the persons involved
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 5: in the assassinations. So before they even ask him anything
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 5: or as Pena saying he's very emotional about what happened,
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 5: and he's very confident in the fact that nothing is
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 5: ever going to be done about this. He states that
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 5: he came to this country in nineteen forty six, He
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 5: became a US citizen in nineteen fifty six, then served
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 5: in the US Army in the latter part of nineteen
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 5: sixty one and sixty two. He was he wasn't in
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 5: the army at that time. He'd gotten out already in
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 5: nineteen sixty and then in the latter part of sixty
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 5: one early part of sixty two, he was recruited as
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 5: a non paid informant for the FBI in New Orleans.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 5: He states that he was called by the special Agent
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 5: in charge in New Orleans to assist them with the
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 5: Cuban Castro sympathizers. His case agent, according to him, was
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 5: Warren to Bruce, he was to use as his contact.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 5: He further states that he was constantly visiting and being
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 5: visited by at his places of business by Warren to Bruce.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 3: Right, Well, we always use that term uh uh yap
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 3: like six barbers, right, And who better to get uh
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 3: to hear things and to hear people talk than a
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 3: bar owner, right, right, They get they get drunk, they
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 3: got loose.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he's right beside, the only DRE member right in
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 5: New Orleans. And he's very close to what we're going
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 5: to talk about next, So he says. In nineteen sixty three,
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 5: the Federal Building, most of the federal offices were located
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 5: in the Federal Building, which is the Customs House right
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 5: across the street from his bar, which is called the
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 5: habanah Bar. Now in this customs house. He states that
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 5: this building house offices of the FBI, the CIAO and
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 5: I I ins, etc. So he is in a prime
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 5: location to be called upon by various agents of our
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 5: United States government from all these various agencies. You know,
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 5: He's in a pretty convenient spot, right across the street
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 5: from the customs house. He states that he was informed
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 5: some years ago that he picked up his passport the
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 5: same day as Lee Harvey Oswald, but he does not
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 5: recall seeing at that time. That doesn't really mean much.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 5: Located just east of his store was a restaurant called
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 5: Paedro's Restaurant. He states that there were only four types
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 5: of people that went to this restaurant, Joe. That would
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 5: be businessmen from the area, right.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 3: Going from a lunch, Yeah, going out to lunch or
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 3: dinner or after after work drinks.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 5: Yes, makes sense, government workers, prostitutes, and pimps. Yeah, stop it,
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 5: Pike the bimbo in red Joe oh Man, Uh. He
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 5: recalls seeing Lee Harvey Oswald. They're in Pedro's restaurant in
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 5: the summer of sixty three, at least ten to twelve
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 5: times talking to various agents.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 3: Okay, ten pimps, ten to twelve, not one or two, right.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 5: Ten or twelve.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 3: That's specific and I think significant because if you were
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 3: making it up, you'd say I saw him a couple
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 3: of times, but ten to twelve specific.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 5: Right, And you got to remember, at this time Oswald
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 5: is working at Riley Coffee Company, which is also down
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 5: in the middle of all this shit going on in
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 5: downtown New Orleans. So it's very feasible that on Oswald's
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 5: lunch breaks the days that he didn't go next door
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 5: to Adrian Alba's garage, he had to eat somewhere close
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 5: by Joe. And I'm sure he didn't never turn down
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 5: a free lunch.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, just saying, I'm sure they had pretty good tacos
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 3: burritos petros.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 5: He further states that Lee Harvey Oswald had came to
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 5: his Habana bar.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 5: He personally did not wait on him, but his bartender,
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 5: everised over Rodriguez waited on him, and he came to
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 5: mister Penion asked him how to make a lemonade. Paya
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 5: told him how and told him to charge a quarter
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 5: for it. He never knew Oswald by name, only by sight.
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 5: Until much later subsequent to the assassination. There were two
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 5: others with Oswald at the time, but he does not
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 5: know them, nor is he able to describe them. He states,
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 5: when Oswald was arrested for passing out the literature and
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 5: getting into a scuffle with Carlos Brigner in front of
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 5: the International Trademark Building that the FBI pay attention, folks,
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 5: pay attention. The FBI was taking photographs of the arrest
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 5: from across the street. He believes that it was in
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 5: some sort of a fireman's union office, and he states
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 5: that at the time the fight erupted, he was on
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 5: the street at that location with his bartender. The subject
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 5: refused to state why he was in that vicinity at
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 5: the time. He just said that he happened to be there.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 3: Now the paynia, Yeah, with his bartender.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 5: Right Everisto Rodriguez?
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 3: So who the fuck is manning the bar? Right?
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: Or?
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 5: More interesting, the FBI is the Fireman's union building taking
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 5: photographs right right?
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 5: That that is interesting.
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 7: Uh.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 5: He further states, when Brignier was arrested, he went and
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 5: informed Brignia's brother in law, one Comandante or Orlando Pelais,
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 5: and he in fact went and posted the twenty five
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 5: dollars bond for Carlos Brignier and then received the money
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 5: back from Orlando after he did so. He further identifies
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 5: pay Attention Folks a Japanese individual who was known to
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 5: him but not further identified, who worked for the Kasuki Company,
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 5: which is presently located in the International Trademark Building. The
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 5: new one was also present there and was also photographing
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 5: this whole thing going down. On the subject of David Ferry,
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 5: he states that he knew Captain Ferry very well, as
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 5: Ferry had actually taught him how to fly out at
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 5: the old New Orleans Airport.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 3: And he calls him Captain Ferry.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 5: He says he referred it to as the Lake Airport.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 5: He's not sure of the number of hours that Ferry
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 5: gave him instruction, but he believes it's somewhere in the
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 5: neighborhood of twelve to fourteen, which is a lot of
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 5: hours to spend with David Ferry in a tightly enclosed airplane.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 5: I'm sure. Yes, he believes there would be a record
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 5: of this somewhere.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, probably FAA records.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 5: Like we talked about, Pay Attention Folks, The next thing
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 5: Pania says is that Fairy and clay Shaw both came
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 5: to my bar many times. They definitely knew each other
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 5: because they came together a few times. Throughout the interview,
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 5: mister Pania alluded to or inferred many pieces of information
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 5: that he is in possession of. In effect, he wanted
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 5: some good faith on the part of the committee before
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 5: he would talk about things. For instance, on the subject
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 5: of Fairy and Shaw, he states that he knows the
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 5: identity of a woman who came to the bar with
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 5: Fairy and that she will be willing to talk to us. However,
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 5: he refused to identify her at this time. He further
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 5: states that he is no longer associated with the band
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 5: of Bar other than being the landlord, as he bought
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 5: the entire building two years ago for sixty five thousand
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 5: dollars with a rental income of approximately thirteen hundred a month.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 5: During nineteen sixty three, a mister Meestir Johnson of Immigration
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 5: used to bring Cuban refugees to his place for lodging upstairs.
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 5: All right, so he's saying that customs agents from the
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 5: Insight used to bring Cuban refugees to him at his
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 5: bar and asked would ask him to put them up
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 5: in his bar for free. He states that they always
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 5: told him that they would pay him for the services,
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 5: but they never ever have. Approximately twelve hours before David
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 5: Ferry's death, which would make it one or two o'clock
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 5: in the afternoon, obviously the day of that, Faerry had
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 5: come to his bar looking for two people in particular,
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 5: one would be Sergio or Akasia Smith and one Wilfredo
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 5: mask For, which would be Rolando Kiki mask For his
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 5: brother Yeah known associative Lauren Hall.
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Uh.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 5: According to mister Penya, will Fredo mass For is an
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 5: FBI CIA worker. Whatever that means. His brother is in Miami.
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 5: He definitely was and was working at that time in
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 5: the same group as Brigner, which would be the dra
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 5: Fairy told him it was extremely important that he had
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 5: to talk to them right away. So the day David
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 5: Ferry died, he goes into the Habanah Bar and he's
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 5: looking for these two guys, Sergi r Kasia Smith and
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 5: Wilfredo Masher. Why why He's saying that it is important
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 5: that he had to talk to them right away. Payna
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 5: stated that he did not know where they were at
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 5: the time, and at that point Carlos Bringya passed the
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 5: store and he sent Ferry out to see Brignier on
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 5: the possibility that Bringier might know where they were, and
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 5: that was the last time he saw David Ferry alive.
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 5: He states that when he left his store, he immediately
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 5: called Jim Garrison's office. This was during the time of
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 5: garrison his investigation. He was not there, but he spoke
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 5: to Frank Mola excuse me, and told him about the
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 5: incident with mister Ferry. He further states that Sergio Akasha
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 5: Smith was very close to David Ferry, as well as
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 5: Warren de Bruce. He further states that Warren de Bruce
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 5: visited Sergio Arkasha's office approximately four times a week when
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 5: the CRC was headquarters at where Joe.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 3: Five four to four Camp Ding Ding Dinge.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 5: Harvey Oswald also visited the same building a few times,
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 5: he says, but not too frequently. He says, mister Penia
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 5: alludes to the possibility that the building at Camp Street
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 5: had two or three entrances on the alleyway, which he
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 5: felt the name was commercial place. I don't know what
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 5: that has anything anything. Sergeion Arkasha opened his office, or
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 5: when Sergeio Arcasia Smith opened his office or Spaenia actually
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 5: paid for the first month's rent for the organization and
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 5: even brought some chairs from his bar to the office
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 5: so people had a place to sit during meetings for
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 5: the CRC. Yeah wow Yeah. Painia states that guy Banister
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 5: put out literature to collect money for Cuba, which, of
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 5: course we know, uh not clear, but apparently he is
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 5: referring to the Balter Building, as he states its own
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 5: canal and camp on the third floor. He feels that
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 5: Smith and Ferry Fairy, who he characterizes as an extremely
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 5: brilliant individual, had handled the publicity for the CRC. Smith
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 5: and Ferry, So he's saying that Fairy and Aracatia Smith
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 5: handled the publicity for the CRC. They were working to
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 5: collect moneys, he says, of course they were the grift,
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 5: they being a collective group in New Orleans under the
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 5: aegis of Sergio Arcacius Smith. He says that he was
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 5: not too sure where the money that was collected, according
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 5: to him, but it was quite a sum was going
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 5: and he took a trip to Miami and checked with
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 5: Tony Verona.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 3: Oh who by the way was mentioned by two very
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 3: smart researchers we had on last week.
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and he states that he was told that Tony
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 5: Verona didn't know anybody named Sergio Arcasia Smith, and that
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 5: they did not send him to New Orleans, and in fact,
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 5: they were not aware of an organization which will be
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 5: a subsidiary of their unit was even operating in New
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 5: Orleans at the time. According to Panya, they expressed the
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 5: opinion that Smith was put there by the CIA and
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 5: that the FBI probably knew about it, which kind of
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 5: makes sense when you realize much later that the next
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 5: head of the CRC was a guy by the name
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 5: of Frank Bartes, who was a CIA and FBI in
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 5: formant and part of the cadre of CIA Cuban ci
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 5: Cubans with CIA ties surrounding Oswald at the time, and
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 5: who would later claim not to know who he was
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 5: or ever seen him or a meeting him. He relates
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 5: a story of one Louis Hernandez Mali, who was the
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 5: bodyguard of Toadine Verona, and he was killed in Miami
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 5: two years ago. According to him, Malie was shot with
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 5: twenty five bullets. Malie had once trained at Lake Pontre Train.
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 5: He states that as far as Lake Pontretrain was concerned
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 5: that Batista Batista men would come to New Orleans be
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 5: picked up by the CIA and used as training camp cadre. Again,
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 5: and keeping with his dangling of little bits of information
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 5: which may or may not have some value to the case,
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 5: he mentions one Juan Caballlero, who has a male Hispanic
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 5: approximately fifty five or sixty years old, who was arrested
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 5: and convicted for murder in nineteen sixty four in Houston, Texas.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 5: Pay attention, folks. He believes this individual is now in
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 5: a Brownsville, Texas jail. He was in New Orleans training
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 5: camp at one point back in the early sixties. Painia
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 5: states that Cabaetro's nephew closely resembles Lee Harvey Oswalden. He's
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 5: not sure of his name, though, but prior to his
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 5: leaving New Orleans, Painia states that Warren de Bruce came
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 5: to his bar and told him that he was leaving
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 5: New Orleans as he was being transferred to Dallas. He
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 5: then alludes to the fact that de Bruce left New
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 5: Orleans the same day that oswald left New Orleans and
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 5: went to Dallas. They say this has to be verified.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 5: A few days before Painia appeared at the warrant commission
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 5: to Bruce. Came to him and said, if you say
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 5: anything about me, I'll get rid of your ass. As
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 5: far as the Bruce is concerned, Pinia has quite a
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 5: vocal hatred of the man. He states that he has
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 5: an awful lot to tell and he's willing to do
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 5: it under hypnosis, especially concerning the Bruce. And he volunteers
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 5: to tell this under hypnosis and requested it to Bruce
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 5: also be questioned under hypnosis, so he really wants to
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 5: Bruise to tell the truth. He mentions the name of Smith,
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 5: who was a customs agent, Joe Ron Smith. Painia is
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 5: saying this motherfucking people, A lot of people, according to him,
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 5: who knew Oswald very well, and subsequent to the assassination
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 5: he was given the top position in Uruguay after he
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 5: was transferred out of New Orleans. Uh A, mister Rouche.
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 3: Or Rouge, we know who that is too. Mister Wendell, Yeah.
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 5: Of the Immigration service, also knew Oswald very well and
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 5: wound up after the assassination in the second top position
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 5: in beautiful Sonny Puerto Rico Joe. So if you play
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 5: ball with the I N S, you get stationed somewhere beautiful,
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 5: apparently unlike Hosty. Sorry. Roger Kansas, Kansas City was shown
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 5: the photo and he identified the following people in the
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 5: photo book lineup. Jim Braden as being familiar to him.
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 5: Shaw Clay Shaw knows him, Bradley, he looks familiar. William
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 5: Cuntberth Brady knows him. Carlos Brigne knows him. Bill Dalzel,
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 5: William Dalzel knows him, and also reiterates on Dalzel, saying
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 5: that he speaks eight languages and that he did have
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 5: a part in the assassination. Those are true facts about
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 5: William Dalzel. He did know eight languages. Very smart dude,
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 5: and he alleges that he had some part in the assassination.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 5: He said they called William Dalzel, among other things, Taco Bill.
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 5: All right, uh. He says he believes Taco Bill to
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 5: be a CIA FBI agent, And at one point he
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 5: was in the five or six hundred block up Decatur
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 5: Street with a push cart selling tacos out of it.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 5: Taco Bill.
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 3: I would have guessed he he ate at Pedro's every
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 3: day that's that's funny.
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 5: He also identified Lee Harvey Oswald, and he states that
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 5: when he knew him, he had a thinner neck. It's
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 5: a random observation. Jack Ruby says he's familiar, but only
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 5: from the papers. And Emilio Santana, who he refers to
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 5: as Caballero, possibly Caballero's nephew, that looks like Lee Harvey Oswald.
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 5: I don't know, should need should more need a rise?
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 5: Mister Penia can be interviewed again. Now I'm not going
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 5: to go through it here, but i will tell you
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 5: there is a ninety page interview with Rispania under oath
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 5: that is done by the House Select Committee. This was
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 5: just an interview report. This is not his actual HSCA
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 5: testimony under road. Okay, but it does exist, and it
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 5: is about ninety pages long, and it is a very interesting,
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 5: very interesting and everybody should go read it.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so this is a summary.
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 5: This is a summary. Like, for instance, they'll be talking
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 5: and he will admit to being an informant for the FBI,
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 5: but he says he was working for two agencies and
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 5: they said, well, what was the other agency? It's like,
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 5: I'm not going to tell you, and They say, was
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 5: it the CIA, and he's like, I'm not saying anything
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 5: about the Central Intelligence Agency period. What if it's huh,
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 5: what if it's in I don't know, like I said,
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 5: And they ask him a few They run into this
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 5: problem with him a few times, and he blatantly tells him, look,
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 5: I'm not going to speak on this. I'm not going
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 5: to say anything about that. They bring up David Ferry
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 5: and he's like, you understand what happened to David Ferry.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 5: I'm not going to speak about that. So if you
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 5: can come across it and find it anywhere, they HSCA
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 5: testimony under Oath of Bories Pana. It is very interesting.
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 5: It's a very interesting read, for sure. So definitely check
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 5: that out because I just don't have time to go
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 5: through ninety pages of it tonight. Back to you, Jaw.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 5: You got anything else over there?
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 3: Uh yeah, let me check. I have the HSCA. Since
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 3: we were on that topic. Here a final report on
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 3: their determination of what happened to the letter right of
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 3: Oswalt's note. Approximately two or three weeks before the assassination, right,
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 3: we're talking November one, host Y visited Marina and Ruth.
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 3: Ruth allegedly translated this conversation with Marina so that lines
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 3: up of President Kennedy. Oswalt's alleged delivered note delivered a
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 3: note addressed to host E at the FBI office in Dallas.
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 3: The varying accounts of the note's contents suggest that it
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 3: was threatening or complaining in tone. Hosty to stop bothering
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 3: Oswalt's wife. Well, I think we've already determined that it
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 3: was probably complaining and not threatening. Several hours after Oswald
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 3: was murdered by Jack Ruby, Hosty, according to his own admission,
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 3: destroyed the note after having been instructed to do so
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 3: by Jay Gordon Shanklin, this special agent in charge of
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 3: the Dallas FBI office. Shanklin denied that he knew anything
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 3: about the note until a reporter asked him about it
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 3: in nineteen seventy five. And again, this is HCA final report,
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 3: so we're talking what nineteen seventy nine. Between sixty three
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 3: and seventy five, the existence of the note and its
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 3: destruction were kept secret by the Dallas FBI office. In
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 3: his committee testimony, Hosty stated that the note, according to
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 3: his memory, did not contain Oswalt's name, and that he
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 3: first determined that the note might have been from Oswalt
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 3: on the day of the assassination of President Kennedy. Hosty
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 3: explained that soon after Oswalt's arrest, he was instructed to
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 3: sit in on the interrogation at the DPD, and that
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 3: when he identified him identified himself to Oswalt, Oswalt became
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 3: upset and stated that Hosty had been bothering his wife,
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 3: Marina Hosts. He suggested that Special Agent in Charge Shanklind
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 3: was told by another FBI agent about Oswalt's reaction to
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 3: host he probably made the same connection between Oswalt and
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 3: the anominous note. Hosty advised that he was surprised that
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 3: Shanklin wanted him to destroy the note because the note's
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 3: contents were not particularly significant. And that gets me back
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 3: to kind of where we started. You are Oswalt, you
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 3: are maybe an FBI informant, maybe not, I don't know,
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 3: and you have FBI people coming to talk to your wife.
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 3: You're gonna go to the office and say, hey, leave
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 3: her the hell alone. You're not gonna say, hey, I'm
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 3: gonna blow up the FBI office, because that's like immediate arrest, right,
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 3: HOSTI recalled that the note was complaining in tone, but
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 3: that it contained no threats. It did not suggest that
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 3: Oswalt was prone to violence. Hossey stated that he destroyed
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 3: the note because Shanklin is superior, ordered him to do so.
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 3: When asked what motivation Oswalt might have had for writing
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 3: a note, Hosty suggested that Oswalt might have wanted to
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 3: prevent Hosty from contacting his wife because he was afraid
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 3: that she would tell Hosty about Oswalt's trip to Mexico.
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure I agree with that, or his attempt
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 3: to shoot General Edward Walker in the spring of sixty three,
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 3: so that is interesting. The committee regarded the incident of
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 3: the note as a serious impeachment of Shanklin's and hosties credibility,
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 3: and noted, however, that the note, if it contained threats
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 3: in response to the FBI contacts with Oswald's wife, would
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 3: have been evidence tending to negate an informant relationship. The
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 3: committee noted further that speculative nature of its findings about
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 3: the note incident. Because of the note had been destroyed,
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 3: it was not possible to establish with confidence what its
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 3: contents were. Of course, you know they're kind of taking
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 3: the middle ground here. In summary, although there have been
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 3: many allegations of an Oswald FBI informant relationship, there was
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 3: no credible evidence that Oswalt was ever an informant for
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 3: the bureau. So again, that's just kind of the HC taking.
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 5: Despite former fbis and William Walter saying there was, and
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 5: a former FBI in formant saying there.
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 3: Was, right and and we watched and listened to all
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 3: three of them speak, And who do you believe.
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 5: Most the doctor Bruce.
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 3: Not to Bruise, U, not Shanklin, h Penya, and Walter
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 3: were by far the most credible ah and the secretary
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 3: was obviously lying too, I mean in even even her
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 3: account doesn't even line up with Shanklin's version of events.
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 3: So very weird things going on here. So was Hosty
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 3: just doing his job, following orders, doing his periodic checks
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 3: on Oswalt or Marina right, probably Maria Moore? And was
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 3: he the scapegoat like you talked about during the book review.
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 5: They definitely threw Hosty under the bus after Oswald is
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 5: killed for sure, because there were allegations that well, the
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 5: FBI should have known about Oswalt and They're like, well,
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 5: we had an agent assigned to him. You know, it's
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 5: not our fault. He didn't do his fucking job. You know, this,
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 5: that and the other. Hence the reason they sent him
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 5: to finish out his days and years in the Kansas
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 5: City Field Office. Yeah.
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, James makes a good point here. Even if Oswalt
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 3: was an informant in New Orleans, I think he means
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 3: by the FBI doesn't necessarily mean that Hosty would know
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 3: about it. Yeah, that's that's true, very true, very true.
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 3: Good point, James.
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 5: Uh to Bruce and then uh, you know, back back
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 5: in downas he'd never met host Hosty.
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 3: Right, and uh you know, of course they bring in
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 3: de Bruce. Although I can't say it that way. I
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 3: hate it. Uh, this is what trace comes. I'm I'm
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 3: still calling him debris. I ain't hiding him from nobody.
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna call him debris still. So, but that's just
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 3: on par with me mispronunciating everything.
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 3: But yeah, man, it's uh, it's some weird ship. And
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 3: I want to do one more video. It's only three
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 3: minutes and it is of host Yuh fucking find it
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 3: and so hosting talking about his book and the note.
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 3: God damn it liked videos. Okay, here we go, here
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 3: we go, here we go. Almost let me share the
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 3: screen and make sure I double share it, because that's
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 3: what we have to do these days.
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 24: Yes, sir, you mentioned in the book on page ninety six.
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  Speaker 24: I believe it is that you felt frustrated in the
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 24: early stages of the investigation because you felt as if
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 24: everything you were doing was being scrutinized and nitpicked, even
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 24: though you had been acting by the book.
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 8: I believe is how to run it.
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 24: Maybe I'm miss something, but it doesn't seem quite by
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 24: the book. To tear up a note from the assassin
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 24: and flush it down the toilet.
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 3: That's true.
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 8: However I was told to do that.
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 10: I was following orders, that's true. But the people who
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 10: were net picking me were the ones who ordered.
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 5: Ordered me to do it.
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 10: So I don't feel that that they should have been
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 10: second guessing me on that point.
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 24: Didn't Didn't you wonder that maybe.
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 3: The people that were nick picking me were ordered me
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 3: to do it. Shanklin or by extension, Jaegahova.
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 5: Or the other skunder him, Well, he's he shouldn't do that,
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 5: and ordered him to do it.
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, but I mean maybe Shanklin was ordered, was
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 3: what I was trying to say.
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 5: Uh, maybe they were ordering you to commit a crime.
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 4: Basically, well, as it turned out, it wasn't a crime.
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 10: As I point out in the book there. It turns
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 10: out that since Oswald was dead and there could be
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 10: no trial, and since it had never been entered into
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 10: the record, and of course I wish I wouldn't have
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 10: done it. I'll tell you that right now, because all
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 10: of this conjecture about all the false reasons as to
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 10: why it was done. It was definitely not anything more
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 10: than just a complaint about me interviewing his wife. But
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 10: you'd have to understand Jaedgar Huber, he had a hallacious temper.
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 10: Now I can explain this to anybody who's ever in
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 10: the FBI, and he understand. Immediately they said the old
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 10: man would have blown up, and in order to keep
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 10: him from blown up, they just decided we just won't
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 10: tell him. He was sort of like the Emperor, and
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 10: the Emperor's close, you know, they would not tell they
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 10: tell him what he wanted to hear, and keep bad
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 10: things from him. At the time, the note was just
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 10: Delroy Johnson was saying there was gonna be no hearings.
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 10: We're not going to see he was worried to death
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 10: about World War three.
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 8: Soon.
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 10: We're not gonna have any hearings.
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 5: Just report back to me.
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 10: And this was, in other words, the word was out
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 10: there was going.
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 5: To be a cover up.
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 10: So I guess the FBI officials and NCIA and anybody
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 10: else figured, well, we'll have our little secondary cover ups.
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 10: The primary cover up was the was what happened in
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 10: Mexico City. And then the CIA covered up the fact
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 10: that they were dealing with one of Castro's cabinet officers
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 10: to try to sassinate him. They covered that up, and
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 10: I guess then the FBI covered up. I don't know
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 10: what all the Secret Service and the State Department covered up,
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 10: but yeah, that's true. I shouldn't have done it, I admitted,
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 10: and I wished I hadn't, But you've got to remember
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 10: we were all in a state of shock. I think
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 10: I was in more shock over Oswald being killed Ruby
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 10: and I was by Kennedy being killed. I haven't air
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 10: that we had received information.
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 5: Like Mark Lane where she's trying. How was that.
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 3: It just stopped? I heard myself, Yeah, it might have
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 3: just like gone onto the next video. But uh, interesting,
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 3: you know, because we always talk about in our agency conflict.
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 3: We know, host he was not happy with not given
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 3: specific details on the Mexico City thing by the CIA.
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 3: Of course they wouldn't have done that.
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, I mean it didn't really. I mean, they
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 5: could have told him because it kind of pertained to him.
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 5: But again, at that time Oswald was not on the
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 5: Security Index. He had been taken off of it, right,
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 5: And what happened in Mexico City didn't happen on American soil,
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 5: which is of course the FBI's territory, not the CIA's.
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 5: The CIA, you know, works is supposed to work outside
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 5: of the boundaries of the United States, which includes Mexico City. Now,
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 5: the FBI does have legal appitet, the FBI does have
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 5: legal attaches in various overseas cities, you.
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 9: Know, to.
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 5: Do work, and they probably should have mentioned it had
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 5: it occurred the way they say it occurred. But of
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 5: course there's problems with all this, Joe.
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I just went back to the Oswalt hosty
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 3: timeline I put up in the front in the beginning
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 3: of the episode and on ten twenty five sixty three.
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 3: It says this is a Mary Feral Oswalt in New
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 3: Orleans timeline. Hosty receives communication on October twenty fifth, sixty
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 3: three from New Orleans FBI advising him Oswalt had visited
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 3: Soviet embassy in Mexico City. So did he get it?
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 3: Did he? Is he doing a little cya? Is there
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 3: a little bit of everything going on? Cya internal beef
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 3: with Shanklin?
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 5: And of course this is almost a month later after
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 5: Oswald supposedly went to Mexico City. But this is also
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 5: the time of the Milton Cock Report, which is the
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 5: name I love to say that came out that basically,
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 5: probably host he got sent from the New Orleans office.
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 5: It was basically the New Orleans way of wrapping up
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 5: their investigation into Oswald, and they passed it along to
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 5: Dallas and that's probably when got it. Yeah.
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's so hard because it's like who do
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 3: who you? Who are you gonna believe? Are you gonna
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 3: believe Shanklin? Are you gonna believe in FBI secretary? Are
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 3: you going to believe Hosty?
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 8: Uh?
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Like, I don't know, they're
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 3: all they all have their own agendas who who knows
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 3: what type of internal beef went down between Shanklin and Oasty,
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 3: and I can gauge that there's some of it going down.
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 3: I don't know what it was, but it was something.
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 5: And who to believe?
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 3: I don't know. There's just a lot of fuckery going
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 3: on here, and UH, as always, we kind of leave
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 3: it to our educated audience to uh to figure it
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 3: out and contemplate.
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 5: Well, I got one more thing for you to contemplate
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 5: before we go, Joe, this sounds good. And this is
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 5: an internal FBI document concerning how they're going to address
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 5: different allegations skewed at them. Okay, this allegation is this
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 5: A theory has been presented that by the end of
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 5: the Eisenhower administration that the lower echelons of anti Castro
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 5: forces established training camps throughout the Southeast. The groups were
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 5: trained by expertise to soldiers as well as CIA contract agents. Initially,
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 5: the plan was to take over Cuba through the Bay
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 5: of Pigs operation. However, they failed to receive air support,
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 5: causing this attempt to fail. The group began to distrust
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 5: the Kennedys, and the feeling spread through the camps. Another
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 5: plan to tact Cuba was halted when the President requested
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 5: the Pontre train camp to be raided and shut down. Thus,
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 5: we have the allegation that the Kennedy administration made efforts
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 5: in nineteen sixty three to dismantle CIA funded anti Castro
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 5: training groups. On August seventh, the SSC staff interviewed Robert D. Morrow,
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 5: who maintains, now we've talked about Robert Morrow's book Betrayal
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 5: on this show before, who was a former CIA officer.
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 5: He maintains that he was under contract with the CIA
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 5: from sixty one to sixty three and headed the counterfeiting
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 5: operation for the agency's Cuban Underground. Morow was recruited by
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 5: Mario Coley, who was employed by the CIA as a consultant.
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 5: Coley was responsible for organizing the QBA underground. According Tomorrow,
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 5: Coley tried to inform at Attorney General Kennedy of missile
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 5: installations as early as nineteen sixty one. Coley also tried
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 5: to inform that there would be no underground report for
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 5: Cuban force invading the Bay of Pigs. Moro also maintains
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 5: Coli'S information about the missiles, since it would be a
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 5: source of humiliation to the administration. Furthermore, after the Missile crisis,
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 5: the administration made efforts to dismantle Coli'S operations. This alleged
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 5: effort initiated by the administration may possibly be related to
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 5: testimony to delivered to the SSC during that Senate Select
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 5: Committee during assassination hearings that by nineteen sixty three, the
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 5: CIA had lost control of the lower echelons of the
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 5: anti Castro forces. Moro maintains that a CIA funded training
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 5: camp for anti Castro forces on Lake poncher Train in
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 5: New Orleans was operated by and you might say, Rob,
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 5: get to the fucking point here, why I'm going to listen.
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 5: This anti Castro forces CIA funded training camp on Lake Pontchatrain,
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 5: Louisiana was operated by Frank Sturgis, Carlos Brignier, Clay Shaw,
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 5: David Ferry, and Jack Ruby. Allegedly, Ruby was shipping narcotics
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 5: from Lake Pontchatrain to Dallas. Moro maintained some of the
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 5: individuals involved in the Lake Poncha Train operation were involved
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 5: in a conspiracy to assassinate the president. Moro maintained the
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 5: Lake Pontchatrain camp was raided by the FBI, the Secret Service,
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 5: and local law enforcement officials per the order of the President.
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 5: On what day, August first, nineteen sixty three, allegedly, ammunition
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 5: was confiscated and eleven people were arrested as result of
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 5: the anti castor of Cubans sought to retaliate against the President,
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 5: thus bringing about his ultimate demise. Morow was arrested on
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 5: counterfeiting charges in Baltimore. Interestingly enough, since he was in
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 5: charge of.
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 1: What was it.
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 5: He headed the counterfeiting operation for the agency's Cuban underground organization.
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 5: But he's arrested on counterfeiting charges in Baltimore on October first,
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 5: nineteen sixty.
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 3: Three, he pissed someone off.
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 5: Morow, in the process of procuring Coley's diary, had already
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 5: acquired Coli'S secret papers on the organization of the Cuban
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 5: Underground Recommendations number one interview Morow in greater detail about
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 5: the Cuban underground operations. Number two procure Coli'S papers, memoranda,
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 5: and diary from Morow determined if individuals alleged to be
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 5: in a conspiracy wonder contract with the agency. Three examined
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 5: materials at the Kennedy Library relating to Collie's meetings with
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 5: the Attorney General. Number four examined materials at the Kennedy
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 5: Library relating to the August first raid on Lake Pontre Train.
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 5: Number five examine FBI reports on surveillance of anti Castro groups,
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 5: also available at the Kennedy Library. So very interesting, very
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 5: very interesting. This is just coming from Morrow. Who knows
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 5: how true it is, but it's an interesting theory. Nonetheless,
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 5: at some point you have to be able to connect
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 5: the players to the game. Right now, there's a lot
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 5: of there's always a little kernel of truth in the
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 5: lies ways now, you know, you know, we know that
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 5: there they were training anti castri of forces at Lake
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 5: Pontra training. I mean, that's pretty much established, and we
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 5: know that that Robert Kennedy was involved in shutting it down,
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 5: right mm hmm. Now, I don't know about the exact
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 5: specific people he mentioned here, like Frank Sturgis and Klay
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 5: Shaw and Jack Ruby being involved in the uncture training training,
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 5: but I can certainly certainly believe that Carlos Brignier, uh
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 5: that uh, David Ferry were or Shaw or Shaw was funding, right,
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 5: I could see that, right, and possibly even Oswald. You know,
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 5: if Ferry and Oswald were tight by extension, you know,
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 5: because who did our Nesto Rodriguez send Oswald to to
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 5: help with the cause earlier?
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 3: Carlos Yeah, who, by the way, is still alive.
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 8: I think.
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 5: Maybe, I think so maybe. But anyway, folks, that is
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 5: the show.
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, a couple of comments before we go, h op
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 3: to economist. I guess came in a little late, said,
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 3: I thought host he got in trouble for telling DPDS
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 3: revel Revel that he knew Oswalt was capable of killing Kennedy. Yes,
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 3: that that's a whole other drama.
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah, we touched on that a little bit Wednesday, just briefly,
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 5: but uh, you know, he claims that he never told
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 5: Revel that, so it's a he said, he said kind
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 5: of thing. Who knows?
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 3: Who knows you? Yeah, and someone said I think it
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 3: was uh, I think it was Trey before but he
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 3: said he you did a great padro from a Napoleon
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 3: dynamite with your accent.
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 5: That's what's my artest opinion.
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 3: Yes, well, thank you and thank everyone for for joining
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 3: us on this Friday. Yeah, I mean I I I
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 3: really don't know what to make of it. Uh, to
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 3: be honest. Like usual, we kind of.
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 5: Throw our hands up for thought, folks.
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but my my opinions on hosty how have changed
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 3: a little. And maybe he wasn't you know, the worst person,
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean, I don't know how to
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 3: phrase it.
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 5: Look, he wasn't. He was just an FBI agent in
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 5: the Dallas office. He wasn't any swinging dick, you know
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 5: he got oh shit.
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 3: Oh Snader, thank you, thank you so much.
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 5: Much oblige.
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 3: We appreciate that was James. Sorry, I don't want to
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 3: miss the reference with the Napoleon dynamite reference. Thank you, James,
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 3: and thank you Paula. Yeah, we always have a great
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 3: time hanging out with you guys on Friday Night. We
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 3: love you and we love our members and we love
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 3: all everyone.
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 5: That is super chats and the membership ups ten of
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 5: them tonight. That's awesome.
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 3: Wow, thank you James.
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 5: That that's a.
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 3: That's a nice comment.
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 5: Since we got so many new members. Joe, you know
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 5: what we should do. I'm feeling in the Christmas season mood.
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 3: Oh give it to me.
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 5: So how about we do this next Wednesday and the
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 5: Wednesday after that we make that show available for all members.
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 3: Spooks included, Spooks included, including the ten new spooks.
• 2:12:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah that we got that.
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 3: The double B gifted tonight.
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 5: Normally we just do the show for COVID operators and above,
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 5: except for the last Wednesday of every month. We're gonna
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 5: do it for the last two Wednesdays of December as
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 5: a Christmas present. Fact to you guys for enjoying the
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 5: show and hopefully you know the new the new members. Yeah,
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 5: got a little taste of membership this evening. You can
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 5: see what we do here on Wednesday night. We don't
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 5: phone it in. We do real shit, and we can
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 5: do all kinds of stuff we can't do here.
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, things we can't say on the inner webs or
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 3: don't want to be clipped saying. But yeah, definitely, that's
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 3: a great idea. And I just realized the last Wednesday
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 3: of the month is New Year's Eve, so I'll have
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 3: to figure that one out.
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 5: But what do we have? Oh, there's three more Wednesdays
• 2:13:35
  Speaker 5: in the month.
• 2:13:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a seventeenth, of twenty fourth and the thirty first.
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 1: Damn.
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, well we'll figure it out, yes, at least
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 3: the next two.
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah, we'll do the next two. Yeah, not many people
• 2:13:53
  Speaker 5: be watching the New Year's Eve. I'm guessing yeah, well
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 5: we might not even be live.
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 1: Who knows.
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 3: I want to maybe will take that that Wednesday.
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 5: It's just another day for me.
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 3: M yeah, I will get shipped.
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 5: If I may have plans.
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 3: We might have to prevint plans. But I'll get yelled
• 2:14:14
  Speaker 3: at if I say, hey, I have to do the show.
• 2:14:16
  Speaker 5: I know you beat you.
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 3: Person, I'll get beat it down worse than James Hosty
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 3: did by Shanklin and Jaegahova.
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 5: All right, folks, that's the show again. We thank everybody
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 5: for hanging with us tonight. Dino, get your fat ass
• 2:14:39
  Speaker 5: in here, sir.
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, let me talk for the record.
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 5: Come to Bourbon Street and get the damn dog Joe.
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 22: The greatest life, the name of truth, The greatest crimes
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 22: are committed in the name of the quotation is Jim Garrison's.
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 4: It couldn't be for him or against him in the street.
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 1: You hear me?
• 2:15:25
  Speaker 9: Now?
• 2:15:25
  Speaker 15: I do.
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 5: Get on the book review me soon and again next Wednesday.
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 5: Until then, folks, we are out peace.
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 3: Have a good weekend everyone. Thank you again.