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Patriots Unfiltered 9/1: Initial 53-Man Roster Breakdown, Charting the Depth, Remaining Questions · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 2: Let me rub my crystal booty. I mean, ball. I
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  Speaker 2: think I think he's the third best receiver or was
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  Speaker 2: the third best receiver on the team.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's probably fair. But when you talk about
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  Speaker 3: the skill sets.
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  Speaker 1: Now, here we go.
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  Speaker 2: Go ahead.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you have to have some sort of speed on
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  Speaker 3: the field.
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  Speaker 2: Proceed.
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  Speaker 3: But it's just different. Like it's he plays.
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  Speaker 1: Well, obviously, it's different.
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  Speaker 4: Well, don't ever say that if she asks. A lot
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  Speaker 4: of people with Evan on this.
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  Speaker 5: Y'all knowers.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I don't know what I know about that, but
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  Speaker 2: let me tell you something.
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  Speaker 3: My whole thing is theoretical.
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  Speaker 1: It certainly is.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I watch the tape, Paul, so you can say
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  Speaker 3: it certainly is.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, here we go.
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  Speaker 2: You guys have convinced me. It's a great trade.
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  Speaker 1: Dolly Parton does.
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  Speaker 2: All right. Oh, there we are. Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.
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  Speaker 4: Did we forget the name of the show?
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  Speaker 2: I just heard Patriots.com and I got mixed up. Nice.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm all kerfuffle because we're in.
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  Speaker 4: We haven't been in the couches for a while.
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  Speaker 2: We haven't been in couches for a while. Weird angle.
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  Speaker 3: I feel very low.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Mike and I had to use the couches yesterday for
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  Speaker 6: the first time in a while. We taped our initial
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  Speaker 6: PU on TV episode.
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  Speaker 3: I just did my little segment.
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  Speaker 1: Hopefully nothing changes.
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  Speaker 3: But it is Tuesday.
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  Speaker 2: Tuesday. Here at Gillette Stadium, and it's the week before
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  Speaker 2: the first week of the NFL season. And we're getting closer.
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  Speaker 2: Preseason's behind us. Training camp, for all intents and purposes,
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  Speaker 2: is behind us, even though we're still able to go
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  Speaker 2: see practice. No more public practice. No more preseason games.
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  Speaker 2: No more full practice. We're on to Seattle.
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  Speaker 4: It is regular season mode for practice, too.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Whatever the small window is that the media can see, whatever,
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  Speaker 6: 10 minutes, whatever.
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  Speaker 2: And are they still limiting it to, like, one or
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  Speaker 2: two people per outlet?
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  Speaker 6: I think they'd like that, but, you know, some of
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  Speaker 6: these outlets just have casts.
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  Speaker 2: Clintus, they got the whole crew.
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  Speaker 3: I wasn't going to name them. No, that's not really
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  Speaker 3: a thing anymore, like one per outlet.
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  Speaker 7: Oh, no?
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  Speaker 5: No.
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  Speaker 2: That's not a thing?
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  Speaker 8: No.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 4: It is for Patriots.com.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But we are on to Seattle, right? We're on to Seattle.
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  Speaker 1: I think we're under the roster right now.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah. Well, no, I mean, but yeah, we're going
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  Speaker 2: to talk about all that because obviously Sunday and yesterday,
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  Speaker 2: massive movement around the NFL. A lot of personnel movement,
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  Speaker 2: including this team. You know, we got the release on
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  Speaker 2: Sunday night and, you know, it's a paragraph this big
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  Speaker 2: of names of people who are no longer with us.
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  Speaker 2: Some who then came back and some who went other places.
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  Speaker 3: They're alive.
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  Speaker 2: And there are players from other teams who now came
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  Speaker 2: to us. So I don't know how we want to
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  Speaker 2: deal with this. How do we want to do this?
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  Speaker 2: You want to just, let's do, what is the 53-man
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  Speaker 2: roster now? We don't need to talk about who left.
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  Speaker 9: You want all 53 names?
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  Speaker 2: You know, people can figure that out for themselves. But
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  Speaker 2: who is on the roster as of the moment? And
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  Speaker 2: then we'll get on to the various lists.
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  Speaker 4: But we're not going to, like, name 53 players, are we?
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  Speaker 5: Yes, we are.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I could. By position.
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  Speaker 3: At this point, I could probably do it off the
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  Speaker 3: top of my head.
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  Speaker 4: You've got it right in front of you.
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  Speaker 2: So let's do it.
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's do it. Let's go offensive line.
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  Speaker 2: So, and after.
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  Speaker 3: Why are you starting with the offensive line?
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  Speaker 2: No, but listen.
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  Speaker 1: That's where my depth chart is at.
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  Speaker 2: Listen, listen. Listen to me.
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  Speaker 1: Alphabetical?
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  Speaker 2: Listen to me.
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  Speaker 5: Drake May.
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  Speaker 2: After each position group, we will pause and we will discuss.
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  Speaker 3: So that's what we're doing on Catch-22 tomorrow. So I
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  Speaker 3: actually structured this perfectly already.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Okay. So you start with quarterback, Mike. You don't start
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  Speaker 3: with offensive line.
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  Speaker 1: Drake May. Tommy DeVito.
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  Speaker 4: He has to look it up.
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  Speaker 2: And Baron Morton. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Baron Morton, maybe you'll, I don't want to say surprised,
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  Speaker 1: but good for him.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was the one talking point there was they
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  Speaker 3: did keep the third quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: And you were surprised about that?
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  Speaker 3: A little bit. I mean, like the emergency quarterback rule
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  Speaker 3: came back in 2023. It's never been used. The league
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  Speaker 3: had brought the rule back. No team has ever needed
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  Speaker 3: to use the emergency quarterback in a game so far. So,
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  Speaker 3: you know, to hold him on the roster basically for that,
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  Speaker 3: I think they maybe thought that exposing him to waivers,
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  Speaker 3: there might be a team that would be interested. But
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  Speaker 3: I thought that was not surprising, but, you know, mild.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Mild surprise.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Good for him. I mean, I think the last game
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  Speaker 1: wasn't necessarily representative of his summer. A little disappointing how
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  Speaker 1: he went out and just had a dud. That was
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  Speaker 1: the first time I've seen him had a dud. But overall,
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  Speaker 1: I think he had a really strong summer from rookie
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  Speaker 1: minicamp right through and earned more reps. That was the thing.
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  Speaker 1: You just never really see the third quarterback, but he
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  Speaker 1: was getting opportunities almost every time.
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  Speaker 6: He was going to stick around in one capacity or another.
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  Speaker 6: I'm not overly surprised that they decided to hold on
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  Speaker 6: to him. I wouldn't have been surprised if they decided
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  Speaker 6: to put him on the practice squad, too. And I
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  Speaker 6: think that that's probably still in play.
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  Speaker 10: Okay, so.
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  Speaker 2: So I think quarterback, that's enough talk.
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  Speaker 1: What position group do you want next?
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  Speaker 3: Running back.
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  Speaker 1: Running back, okay. So Ramondre Stevenson.
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  Speaker 6: I give Evan a lot of crap on this show.
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  Speaker 6: I can't believe he's getting crap for doing a roster, quarterback,
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  Speaker 6: running back.
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  Speaker 3: The correct way.
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  Speaker 4: Receiver tight end.
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  Speaker 2: It's an established order.
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  Speaker 4: That's kind of the way it's done.
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  Speaker 3: This is what we need.
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  Speaker 1: So, of course, the top, Ramondre Stevenson, Travion Henderson. I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to throw Reggie Gilliam in there, even though maybe
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  Speaker 1: we could put him with the tight ends.
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  Speaker 3: We put him with the tight ends.
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  Speaker 1: But Corey Kiner is the new arrival, which of the
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  Speaker 1: guys that they added, which I watched the film, too,
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  Speaker 1: a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: He grinded.
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  Speaker 1: I liked Kiner. He was the only one that looked
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  Speaker 1: like he had a little juice to me.
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  Speaker 2: So this goes into the category of me of don't
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  Speaker 2: listen to what they say. Look at what they do.
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  Speaker 2: The signing of Kiner. What does that say?
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  Speaker 1: They didn't like any of their backup running backs all
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  Speaker 1: that much, or at least more than they liked him,
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  Speaker 1: who they said they had an eye on going back
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  Speaker 1: to last year when he was drafted. Didn't have much experience.
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  Speaker 1: Looked pretty good in the preseason, but he did look
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  Speaker 1: better to me. Just looks like he's got a little wiggle,
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  Speaker 1: finishes runs pretty hard. But I don't really.
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  Speaker 1: I see it. I wasn't overly impressed. I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: thought Lane Larrison had some moments.
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  Speaker 2: I thought he had a shot.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Well, he definitely had a shot. I think he was
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  Speaker 3: the 54th guy. But I feel like with Kiner, it's
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  Speaker 3: kind of what Paul's been saying about the third running back.
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  Speaker 3: He is a between-the-tackles traditional running back, whereas I think Larrison...
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  Speaker 3: is developing in more of that sub-package, passing game kind
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  Speaker 3: of role. So if you just want a third running
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  Speaker 3: back that's going to return kickoffs and take some of
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  Speaker 3: the beating in games, late in games and things like that,
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  Speaker 3: then Kiner is more of that type of guy. He
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  Speaker 3: did play down the stretch for a bad Cardinals team
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  Speaker 3: last year, the last month of the season. And he showed,
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  Speaker 3: like Deuce said, I thought he was a little bit more...
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  Speaker 3: just dynamic as a runner than maybe some of the
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  Speaker 3: guys they had in camp that were in a similar mold,
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  Speaker 3: like a Hassan Haskins or something like that. A little
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  Speaker 3: bit more burst, a little bit more wiggle, just a
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  Speaker 3: little bit more dynamic.
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  Speaker 2: Can he catch? A little bit.
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  Speaker 3: Pass blocking was okay. Very limited sample size, but he
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  Speaker 3: had a couple of good pass blocks in the preseason.
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  Speaker 3: So I wouldn't say that's necessarily, if he's going to
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  Speaker 3: catch passes, it's going to be check downs and things
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  Speaker 3: like that. It's not going to be dynamic.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: But I think the biggest thing is, is that he
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  Speaker 3: can kind of eat up carry. So, you know, from
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  Speaker 3: a volume perspective. If they need somebody.
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  Speaker 2: Were you surprised that they brought in a running back
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  Speaker 2: and didn't stick with what they had? One of the
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  Speaker 2: guys that they had?
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  Speaker 3: No, because I didn't really think that any of the
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  Speaker 3: guys that were in that early down mold had really popped.
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  Speaker 3: I know Haskins had a couple of tough, dirty runs.
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  Speaker 1: Right, that was him, right?
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  Speaker 3: But it wasn't really anything super explosive or anything like that.
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  Speaker 3: The only question I had was Larrison's role and his
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  Speaker 3: skill set. Was that what they were looking for out
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  Speaker 3: of the third running back? Or do they really just
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  Speaker 3: want a Terrell Jennings, like a guy that can just
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  Speaker 3: take some volume on if they need him?
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  Speaker 2: So why are you not including Gilliam in the running
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  Speaker 2: back room?
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  Speaker 3: Because he practices and meets with the tight ends.
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  Speaker 2: But why do you think that is? That's just the way.
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  Speaker 2: Is he not going to be a traditional fullback on
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  Speaker 2: this team?
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  Speaker 3: Well, but the fullback always meets in practice.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, does he? Yeah. Oh, okay. What do I know?
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  Speaker 4: You've got to get up to speed.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, what do I know?
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  Speaker 4: I was a little surprised with that move. Just, I
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  Speaker 4: feel like they had.
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  Speaker 2: Six of one, half dozen of the other.
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  Speaker 4: You know, and I'm not, like, lamenting what they lost
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  Speaker 4: to get them. You know, what's seventh? Seventh. Seventh round pick.
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  Speaker 3: 2028.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: So nothing, you know, nothing lost or anything like that.
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  Speaker 6: But yeah, I just didn't necessarily see the need to
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  Speaker 6: do it. And maybe they felt like, you know, being 31st,
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  Speaker 6: you know, in the waiver claim that if he. ended
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  Speaker 6: up getting to the open market that he wouldn't, someone
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  Speaker 6: else would have claimed.
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  Speaker 3: He had a big preseason. He had an extra game.
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  Speaker 3: They played in the hall of fame game, but they,
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  Speaker 3: he had a big preseason and just across the roster,
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  Speaker 3: as we're talking about all these moves. Exposing guys to
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  Speaker 3: waivers and being wary of the fact that they were
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  Speaker 3: 31st in the claim drove a lot of the decisions
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  Speaker 3: over the last couple of days. They protected all of
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  Speaker 3: their rookies, undrafted guys that they wanted to keep. None
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  Speaker 3: of those guys went on waivers. All of those guys
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  Speaker 3: were on the roster already. or some way, shape, or form,
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  Speaker 3: and they made these two trades ahead of the waiver
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  Speaker 3: claim to get ahead of the waiver priority. So it
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  Speaker 3: seemed like a lot of the decisions that were made
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  Speaker 3: were based off of that, that they didn't want to
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  Speaker 3: expose certain guys, young guys, to waivers.
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  Speaker 2: I think in your post-game show, Troy Brown brought that up.
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  Speaker 4: But those are two different things.
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  Speaker 6: I agree wholeheartedly with Evan's point about you got to
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  Speaker 6: figure out what you want because you can't guarantee.
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  Speaker 4: When you're four last.
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  Speaker 6: Year, and Troy did say this in the post-game show,
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  Speaker 6: You get a pretty good shot of getting some guys
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  Speaker 6: in waivers. 31 is a crapshoot. But I don't necessarily...
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  Speaker 6: It doesn't mean.
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  Speaker 4: If you cut a guy that you're more or less
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  Speaker 4: likely to lose him. Like, everybody has access to the...
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  Speaker 4: As Bill Belichick always said, anytime you release a player...
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  Speaker 4: you have to be prepared to lose that player. And
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  Speaker 4: whether you're 31st in the waiver or 4th in the
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  Speaker 4: waiver doesn't increase your chances of losing Channing Canada.
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  Speaker 3: No, that was not the point I was making. The
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  Speaker 3: point I was making was like, Kendall Vildor gets cut
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  Speaker 3: and Channing Canada stays. Kendall Vildor is a vested veteran
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  Speaker 3: that becomes a free agent and doesn't go on waivers. So, like,
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  Speaker 3: he's a guy that they had opportunity to then sign
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  Speaker 3: immediately to the practice squad. Whereas if you put Channing
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  Speaker 3: Canada on waivers, you expose.
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  Speaker 10: Him to everybody.
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  Speaker 4: That's a good explanation of that. Yeah, that definitely changes.
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  Speaker 3: So across the whole roster, I would say that that
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  Speaker 3: was kind of the case, that they cut guys that
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  Speaker 3: were vested veterans and kept the guys off of waivers.
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  Speaker 5: Gotcha.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So moving along, we'll stick with tight ends since we
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  Speaker 1: already talked about Gilliam. Hunter Henry, of course. Cameron Latu,
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  Speaker 1: they traded for from Philadelphia. And then the two rookies,
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  Speaker 1: Eli Raritan and Tanner Arkin.
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  Speaker 2: Arkin makes it. What do we know about this Latu guy?
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  Speaker 1: Played some special teams.
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  Speaker 3: He was more of like an H-back, which I find
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  Speaker 3: interesting in Philly. He's 6'4, 240, so he's not built
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  Speaker 3: like a traditional in-line tight end. I thought that was interesting.
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  Speaker 3: We talked a little bit about Arkin may be struggling
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  Speaker 3: a little in the preseason trying to develop as a
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  Speaker 3: fullback and be insurance to Reggie Gilliam. So I wonder
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  Speaker 3: if they see Latu being someone like that more than
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  Speaker 3: he's going to put his hand in the dirt next
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  Speaker 3: to the tackle. He was playing a lot off the
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  Speaker 3: line of scrimmage in the backfield for Philadelphia and then
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  Speaker 3: obviously on special teams, too. So he's never caught a pass,
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  Speaker 3: never been targeted in an NFL game in three years.
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  Speaker 3: So I think that he's more of a blocker, special teams.
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  Speaker 2: Type of guy that they were looking for.
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  Speaker 3: In my opinion, this is like Julian Hill, the best
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  Speaker 3: they could do to replace Julian Hill. When you look
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  Speaker 3: at their roster, you know, Arkin and Eli Raritan are rookies.
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  Speaker 3: They're young players behind Hunter Henry. Latu hasn't played a
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  Speaker 3: ton because he was hurt and stuff like that, but
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  Speaker 3: this is going to be his fourth year in the league.
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  Speaker 3: So he's at least been around the NFL and been
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  Speaker 3: in the NFL. So it's not quite as good of
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  Speaker 3: a player as Julian Hill, but just somebody that has
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  Speaker 3: some experience compared to the rookies.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just wonder how much of these moves are
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  Speaker 1: directed towards special teams because there's a really big special
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  Speaker 1: teams turnover going on this year. And, you know, it
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  Speaker 1: was even exacerbated without, you know, Chad Mooma didn't make it.
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  Speaker 1: Jack Westover didn't make it. These were guys, you know,
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  Speaker 1: along with the old Belichick defensive guys like Tavai and
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  Speaker 1: Jennings that played a lot of special teams this year
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  Speaker 1: or last year. So, you know, and not even that,
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  Speaker 1: but also the punter, Wisnowski, that they've added to the
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  Speaker 1: practice squad. Schooler's not going to be there. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you're so used to looking out there and being like, well,
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  Speaker 1: you got Matthew Slater, you got Brendan Schooler, you've got
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  Speaker 1: some experience out there. I think there's going to be
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  Speaker 1: some major turnover on special teams this year. And it's
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  Speaker 1: a lot to ask rookies to go out there in
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  Speaker 1: Seattle and go make plays on special teams. So it's
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  Speaker 1: just one of those things you don't usually, it's not
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  Speaker 1: at the forefront of your mind, but I think a
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  Speaker 1: move like this probably corresponds heavily with getting somebody out
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  Speaker 1: there who's played special teams.
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  Speaker 2: In the NFL. All right, moving on to the wide receivers.
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  Speaker 1: Wide receivers, A.J. Brown, Romeo Dobbs top the list, then
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  Speaker 1: followed by Matt Collins, Demario Douglas, Kyle Williams, and Efton
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  Speaker 1: Chisholm III. Best position group on the roster. A lot
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  Speaker 1: to like.
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  Speaker 2: He's definitively saying.
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  Speaker 3: Starting quarterback aside, best position group on the roster. Probably
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  Speaker 3: the deepest wide receiver room since 2017, maybe. And even then,
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  Speaker 3: Julian Edelman gets hurt in the preseason. So, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: they're stacked. They're stacked at receiver. They've got top dogs,
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  Speaker 3: middle dogs, slot receivers, backup slot receivers.
• 14:10
  Speaker 1: Developmental young guy.
• 14:11
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 14:12
  Speaker 1: Working a little bit.
• 14:13
  Speaker 2: It's a good group. Okay.
• 14:16
  Speaker 1: Offensive line, Will Campbell, Demetrius Crownover, Morgan Moses, Caleb Lomu
• 14:20
  Speaker 1: are your tackles. As of right now, Elijah Vera-Tucker, Greg
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: Van Roten, Jared Wilson, Michael Onwenu, and Walter Rouse are
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: our interior players. And Ben Brown was at least last night.
• 14:31
  Speaker 2: That was my question is, are you surprised at releasing
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: Ben Brown.
• 14:36
  Speaker 3: Another one I think is procedural. I think Mike Reese
• 14:38
  Speaker 3: reported that, hinting at that as well. So another roster manipulation,
• 14:45
  Speaker 3: vested veteran, IR deadlines, things like that. The waivers were
• 14:50
  Speaker 3: 1 o'clock Eastern yesterday. In order to get Jacobs and
• 14:53
  Speaker 3: Behringer on IR return, they had to do it after
• 14:57
  Speaker 3: 4 o'clock. So there was like a three-hour window where
• 15:01
  Speaker 3: they needed to put the waiver claims in, but they
• 15:03
  Speaker 3: couldn't put those guys on injured reserve yet. So KJ Britt,
• 15:06
  Speaker 3: I think Reese said, is back on the practice squad already.
• 15:09
  Speaker 3: I think the plan is to have Ben Brown back
• 15:11
  Speaker 3: in some capacity as well. So this was another roster
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: gymnastics situation. I think Ben Brown's going to be here.
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: Is Van Roten ahead of him on the depth chart?
• 15:20
  Speaker 3: Maybe at guard. I think he's probably a better guard
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: than Ben Brown is. I haven't really seen Van Roten
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: play center very often, so I would say probably not
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: at center, but I would think at both guard spots, yeah.
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: How do we feel about the depth of the offensive line?
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, a little better than I would say I
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: felt this summer, just with GVR, as we call him,
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: and Rouse, who's got some experience. Some guys who have
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: played in the NFL. Otherwise, you were looking at Makai Butler,
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: who was a practice squad player, so Maybe a little
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: bit better. Anytime you're going down to those guys, I
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: think you're going to be a little bit in trouble,
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: but at least there's some experience there now.
• 15:59
  Speaker 12: Okay.
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: I feel pretty good about it. Now, Marcus Bryant, feel
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: free to participate if you like.
• 16:04
  Speaker 4: If I have something that I feel like To inject,
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: to add to the conversation, I will.
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: We're talking a lot of back of the roster guys
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: right now for Pauly.
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: Back up off of us.
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: I think I'm with the listeners, but that's just me.
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: But I feel pretty good about what they are on
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: the offensive line. I think really the questions I have
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: on the offensive line is the ceiling of the starting five,
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: not necessarily the backups and the depth and things like that.
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: It just remains to be seen how good Will Campbell
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: is going to be at left tackle and Wilson at
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: center and Vera Tucker and.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: The whole group.
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: But JVR is a really good backup, especially at guard.
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: He started every game for three straight years over the
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: last couple of years and, you know, has been a starter.
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: a pretty consistent one, so I feel pretty good there.
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: I wish Marcus Bryant didn't get hurt. Like, that hurts
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: your tackle depth a little bit. But overall, I mean,
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: you drafted Lomu in the first round. So if he's
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: got to play at some point this year, you would
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: like to think that he's going to be up for it.
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: All right, moving on to the other side of the ball.
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's defensive tackle. Is that all right?
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: There you go. Stick on the trenches.
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: So Milton Williams, Christian Barmore lead the way, Corey Durden,
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: the other starter, and then Josh Farmer and Lenny T.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: Leonard Taylor, the third. round out your five guys in
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: the middle. Would say that I'd love to see more
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: out of Farmer and Taylor. You know, Durden, I thought,
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: had a good camp. He was injured at the end. But,
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: you know, that's the thing, the depth. You feel great
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: about Barmore and Williams up top. They're going to do
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: what you need. But, you know, I didn't see a
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: consistent big step forward from Lenny T or Josh Farmer
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: this summer. And I think those guys are going to
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: have to play some snaps. And they can't be liabilities
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: against the run. That's, you know, biggest concern is just
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: go in there, You don't have to get 10 sacks,
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: but you've got to make sure you're not getting gashed.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: Is Durden your big man?
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Durden's your nose tackle right now. And I think
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: that they internally replaced Tonga with Durden. The question is,
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: did they replace Durden? Because that's the trickle-down effect of that,
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: of replacing those guys internally. And Joshua Farmer's supposed to
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: be the guy that's going to be the backup to
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: the nose tackle that Durden has now become. They miss Tonga. Like,
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: I don't know if it's going to matter in season.
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: We'll see. But just looking at the roster on paper,
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: they don't really have, like, a 335-pound nose tackle that's
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: just going to clog rushing lanes in the middle. That's
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: a player, a body type, that they don't necessarily have
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: right now.
• 18:23
  Speaker 5: Yep.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: Okay, moving outside to the edge.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: And now to the edge is an interesting group. Draymond
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: Jones leads the way, and then Elijah Ponder and the
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: two rookies, Gay Bacchus and Quintavious Hutchins.
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: The biggest... I want to say worst, but the biggest
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: question mark on the roster, if receiver is the best
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: position group, I think this is on the other side
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: of the spectrum, top of the depth chart. Like, I
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: think that's, you know, everybody's still looking for them to
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: claim edge rushers. Like they have guys that, you know,
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: are of that caliber. It's the, you know, they don't
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: have a number one guy. You know, they don't have a,
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: a guy, you know, if Draymond Jones was, you know,
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: a secondary rusher to, you know, a stud edge rusher,
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: then you'd feel a little bit better. But right now
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: that he's your number one edge rusher. Uh, he has
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: a lot like wide receiver in that respect. So that, that,
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: that position group is, I think it could really make
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: or break their season, whether or not they can get
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: enough pressure out of that group.
• 19:18
  Speaker 12: Okay.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: The only position group I, like you said, I questioned
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: the top, the rest of it, you can talk about
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: depth and you can say, well, if Hunter Henry goes out,
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: you're in trouble or this guy goes out, you're in trouble.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: This one, you might be in trouble from the jump.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: So We'll see how Elijah Ponder looks in year two
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: and if he's able to play early downs and be
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: an effective.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: So back in the day, edge wasn't really a position.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: You were either an outside linebacker or a defensive end.
• 19:40
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: I would say in this system, it's a little bit
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: of both because they're you know in their nickel fronts
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: they play four down so they're really more defensive ends
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: there are base three four defense and base defense so
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: those guys are outside linebackers so it's kind of like
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: you have to do a little bit of both of
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: standing up and hand in the dirt I mean ponder
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: is really in access or the x factors like if
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: either one of those guys if access can figure it
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: out at this level and if ponder can break out
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: in year two you feel a little bit better so so.
• 20:08
  Speaker 6: It really is the same thing I think people traditionally
• 20:13
  Speaker 6: call it edge now, but William McGinnis played 4-3 end
• 20:17
  Speaker 6: with his hand in the dirt, and he played stand-up
• 20:20
  Speaker 6: outside linebacker.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but we call him an outside linebacker.
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: Well, it depends on what the system was. They just
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: call them edges now.
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: The Patriots call them outside linebackers too, because Mike Smith
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: is the outside linebacker's coach. It depends on the system.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: If you're a 3-4 defense, a 4-3 defense, you might
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: call them different things.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: Well, I think When you're thinking about, oh, where's the
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: pressure going to come from, you have to include the
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: outside linebackers.
• 20:44
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: But those are the outside linebackers.
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: Those are the edge guys. Those are who we're talking about.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Well, we haven't mentioned, like, Landry or anything. I know
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: he's on a list.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: Well, he would have been mentioned here, but he's just
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: on a list.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: Okay, you would have mentioned him here.
• 20:55
  Speaker 15: Yeah.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, him coming back and being healthy and
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: being Harold Landry would also be... you know, would move
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: the needle. But right now that group is for a
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: team that you want to contend for a Superbowl. That
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: that's the one spot.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: Yep.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: Moving inside, moving inside linebackers, Robert Splane, Christian Ellis leading
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: the way, Nnamdi Obieizor, the rookie behind them. And then
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: the trade, or sorry, the waivers claim that they made
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: from the Giants is Darius Mouassou, who's played a little
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: bit as well. And another guy who's played some special
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: teams a little bit. So I, you know, it's, Another
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: spot we've talked a lot about, middle linebacker depth. And,
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: you know, they do have KJ Britt back on the
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: practice squad. So, you know, I think they're just trying
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: to build that depth that they've talked about not having
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: in any way they can do it right now.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: He flashed a few times in preseason.
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: He had a good, nice, strong end of training camp,
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: I would say. It started a little slow.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Upward trajectory, you know.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: It was like Khalil Jacobs went like this and then,
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: you know, kind of tailed off and the OB eyes
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: or did the opposite. So, you know, we'll see. I
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: think they, it's a good sign to me that they
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: put both those guys on the roster. It seems like
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: they want to keep working with them and developing them.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: But I do said another spot that, you know, we
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: talked about Tonga defensive tackle, like who's Jack Gibbons. on
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: this team right now? Like, do they have Jack Gibbons?
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: You know, those were some of the signings they made
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: last off season that those guys had big roles.
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 22:21
  Speaker 6: I just was looking at, I wish I brought my sheets. Um,
• 22:24
  Speaker 6: but last year they signed, I want to say eight
• 22:28
  Speaker 6: players to one or two year deals. And six of
• 22:32
  Speaker 6: those eight players ended up making the team this year.
• 22:36
  Speaker 6: I think the number was six, one year contract kind
• 22:40
  Speaker 6: of guys in, They didn't make the team for the
• 22:43
  Speaker 6: most part. Those kinds of guys. I think Bayard is
• 22:45
  Speaker 6: the only one on a one-year deal that made it.
• 22:48
  Speaker 6: It was KJ Britt and those guys. Mike Brown, Kendall Vildor.
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: Correct. James Hudson.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: Last year it was Tonga, Hawkins, Chason, Gibbons. Epps didn't
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: work out.
• 23:01
  Speaker 6: Epps and Wes Schweitzer were the two that didn't make
• 23:04
  Speaker 6: the team last year.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: Even Austin Hooper was a one-year deal.
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: And all the rest of those guys.
• 23:10
  Speaker 6: did make the team, and I wasn't even counting Austin
• 23:13
  Speaker 6: Hooper because he was retained.
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: He was re-signed.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: Or Jalen Hawkins, who was a similar boat.
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: Again, in this year, those are the guys.
• 23:21
  Speaker 6: Mike Brown, Kendall Vildor, KJ Britt, veteran-type guys that you
• 23:26
  Speaker 6: bring in on a one-year deal, see if they can
• 23:28
  Speaker 6: provide some depth for you, and at least at this stage,
• 23:31
  Speaker 6: none of them really are.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: All right, over to the secondary.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, cornerbacks, so Gonzo, hopefully. Carl Davis, Charles Woods, K-Ron Prunty,
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: and Channing Canada, another UDFA with Paul. Paul was all
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: over Channing Canada earlier. You were the first one.
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I'm not going to lie.
• 23:46
  Speaker 6: I wavered a little bit in the middle, but he
• 23:49
  Speaker 6: did catch my eye on that indoor practice that they
• 23:51
  Speaker 6: had that day.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: You're not including Marcus Jones as a quarterback? Oh, sorry,
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: Marcus Jones.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I got him on the slot over.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: That's amazing.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: He's a different nickelback.
• 23:58
  Speaker 6: If you just did a depth chart the way everybody
• 24:00
  Speaker 6: else does, Mike, you'd know where all the players fit.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: It's a visual thing.
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: This is an exhausting exercise.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: So, after Jones... Those top three.
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: Cornerbacks are excellent.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: We'll see. I mean, I thought Charles Woods was okay
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: last year. I thought Charles Woods was a little bit
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: of an adventure this preseason.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: Sure was.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Especially down the end. And it got to the point
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: in the postgame show where you're saying, feels like Vildor's
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: that guy now. Now, Vildor still is in the mix.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: He's back on the practice squad, but... It seems like– see,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: the other thing, too, I thought with Charles Woods was
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: I think he's the top slot backup, but he's also
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: probably most going to play inside or outside. So I
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: think they might have been playing a little bit more
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: slot in the preseason and he was getting a little
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: more exposed, whereas if he has to fill in for
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: Carlton Davis on the outside, I might feel slightly better.
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's how I looked at it, too. And I
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: would also say, like, he played well in regular season games–
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: Last year. So these training camp practices, as much as
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: we get excited about it, I feel like there might
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: be trusting the actual tape over what he did in
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: practice this summer.
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: But he struggled.
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: Especially after whatever injury he had, I think it might
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: have been a concussion, and he came back from that.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: And then in Cleveland, he really struggled. But your point
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: about him playing a lot more in the slot is
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: a good one.
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: It's a good one.
• 25:22
  Speaker 6: It is a fair point. And Fred, beyond those three...
• 25:26
  Speaker 6: What you watched in Cleveland... Cleveland was really bad.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that wasn't good.
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: That defensive performance was really bad.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: The communication was terrible.
• 25:34
  Speaker 6: And the guys that were out there, for the most part,
• 25:37
  Speaker 6: you know, it's guys that we're talking about that might
• 25:40
  Speaker 6: have to play if you lose.
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: Any of the.
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: You know, it's Prunty, it's Woods, it's Vildor, who I
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: know on the practice squad. Now, those guys... They're all
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: still here. You might need some of those guys.
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: It's true.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: The only saving grace is they were all out there
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: at the same time.
• 25:55
  Speaker 12: Right.
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yes.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: If you're picking shoes... Maybe their warts aren't as visible.
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: You can maybe hide a guy.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: That's often missed when we talked about these depth issues
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: in the preseason games. If Charles Woods has to play,
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: he's going to play with Christian Gonzalez and Kevin Byard
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: and Craig Woodson, and he's not going to be playing
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: with the backups around him.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: He's the guy that's going to get help.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Hopefully. Let's wrap it up with the safeties. Kevin Byard,
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: Jalen Reed, Craig Woodson, Del Pettis.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: And no John Saunders. So they obviously didn't buy as
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: much on the interceptions in practice. Not on the practice
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: squad as of right now either. So I guess we'll
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: see this afternoon if they signed him late.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: Okay, so there's your safeties. And then special teams. I
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: was a little surprised that they got rid of Matt
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: Hack and brought in a guy. I thought they'd just
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: stick with Hack. But I guess... I'm with you.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: I mean, he had a great game in Cleveland. It
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: was one of the low and bright spots was the
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: punter having three I-20s in Cleveland.
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: Mike had him on the good list.
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: He was on the good list. Good job.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: Thank you. Do you want me to run down what
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: we know about the practice squad so far, Fred? Sure.
• 27:14
  Speaker 6: So we should probably just say Barringer was placed on IR,
• 27:17
  Speaker 6: so it's probably going to be Mitch Wisnowski punting in
• 27:21
  Speaker 6: the first, you know, I'm just going to say the
• 27:23
  Speaker 6: first game. No, I'll say the first game, because I
• 27:25
  Speaker 6: don't know what's going to happen beyond that.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: Oh, then someone else.
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, they could bring Matt Hawk back.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: The only thing that.
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: Confused me about the whole thing was they had two
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: IR return spots on cut-down day. Marcus Bryant took one,
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: and they left one vacant. They didn't use the second one.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: Then the next day, they put Beringer and Khalil Jacobs
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: on IR. So couldn't they have just designated one of
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: those guys to return along with Marcus Bryan on cut
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: down day and then not put an extra guy on
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: waivers or cut an extra guy? Like maybe I'm missing
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: something with that.
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: So, yeah, I mean, I don't know. That sounds right.
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: What Evan just said, but I'd have to check with
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: my sources.
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: That was the only roster gymnastics thing that I was
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: a little confused by because I I think all the
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: reporting is that Land Larrison was the 54th guy. He
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: got cut, like Mark Daniels said, 15 minutes before the
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: deadline that they cut him. So he's the 54th guy
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: because they traded for these guys and were going to
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: claim guys. So if they had put Beringer or Khalil
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: Jacobs on IR return with Marcus Bryant, then they would
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: have had a spot for Land Larrison and they wouldn't
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: have had to... Now they end up losing Land Larrison,
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: so it's not... it's not a huge deal, but I
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: just wonder why they, those guys weren't put on IR.
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: One of those guys wasn't put on IR the day
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: before to save them the roster spot.
• 28:56
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 28:57
  Speaker 6: That's the one thing about the, you know, then it's
• 28:59
  Speaker 6: not that new anymore. The newish IR rules, you know,
• 29:02
  Speaker 6: designating guys to return. You don't always know like, cause
• 29:09
  Speaker 6: these rules tend to be fluid.
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: And it used to.
• 29:11
  Speaker 6: Be that if you couldn't do it at all before, uh,
• 29:15
  Speaker 6: You had to be on the 53-man roster to start
• 29:17
  Speaker 6: the season.
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: They've adjusted that. I think Evan's got it right. You're
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: now allowed two.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:22
  Speaker 6: When you initially cut down to 53, I think Evan
• 29:25
  Speaker 6: has that right, but I'm not positive.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: I do.
• 29:27
  Speaker 6: And then the next day, again, now you can start
• 29:31
  Speaker 6: working on your whatever many that you have to designate
• 29:34
  Speaker 6: you know, during the course of the year. So that's already, what,
• 29:38
  Speaker 6: three now they've used?
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: Well, so you don't designate them to return. anymore in
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: season IR you just have the option to so you're
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: not burning it yet you don't burn it until you
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: actually designate the guy to return so.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Say ahead of time yeah he's gonna return now we'll
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: wait and see.
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: So Marcus Bryant took up one of the IR return
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: spots that you have to designate But Behringer and Khalil Jacobs,
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: you don't. So those guys go on IR. When they
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: return to practice in the month, then you've designated them.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: Then you've burned the designated to return.
• 30:09
  Speaker 6: And it sounds like you did a little research. I'm
• 30:11
  Speaker 6: going to lean on you. Do they still have the
• 30:13
  Speaker 6: limit of eight?
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: But you don't have to designate them when you put
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: them on IR.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: So there might be a little bit more flexibility there.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: Because you don't know.
• 30:20
  Speaker 12: Right.
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: A little bit more flexibility would be, like, the one
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: reason I could think of.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: Okay, so let's run down the practice squad. Is it full?
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is not full yet. There's one guy, I believe,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: who's reported that hasn't been officially signed. I'll save him
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: for the end. But Jacob Rizzi's back, who was a center.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: Lorenz Metz, the offensive tackle from Germany. I know, Fred.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: That's good.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: Did you have to flex your weight on that one?
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: Kyle Dixon, Cameron Dorner, two receivers, Lane Larrison, Hassan Haskins,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: the two running backs. And then on the defensive, Jeremiah Farms,
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: Eric Gregory, Riley Wilson, KJ Britt, Kendall Vildor, Mike Brown,
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: and Mitch Wyschnowski, the punter. The one that's been reported
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: that hasn't been official yet is Jake Kubis, who was
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: on the Giants, and he's another guy who's played some
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: interior line.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: Is there any wide receiver in the practice squad? Yeah,
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: Dixon and Dorner.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: Oh, Dixon.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: Dixon and Dorner. 88 and 83 that were there.
• 31:17
  Speaker 10: Okay.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: This year, I thought both those guys, yeah, you know,
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, we were way more focused on the top
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: of the depth chart guys, but.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: Palmer didn't make it. DeGennaro didn't make it.
• 31:28
  Speaker 8: Not yet.
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: They still have some open spots. I think they're at
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: 15 of 17 or 14 of 17 right now.
• 31:35
  Speaker 6: Someone reported yesterday a handful of guys that were told
• 31:38
  Speaker 6: that they were not coming back to the practice squad,
• 31:40
  Speaker 6: but that could change.
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: Again, like, you know, they might have earmarked.
• 31:43
  Speaker 6: You know, for their 17 guys, because Ments would be
• 31:46
  Speaker 6: one of those international players that doesn't count.
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: So you could have one extra.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:51
  Speaker 6: And maybe they don't get all those guys. You know,
• 31:53
  Speaker 6: maybe they have some veterans like Vildor and Britt. You know,
• 31:56
  Speaker 6: maybe they have some other guys like that that they have.
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 31:59
  Speaker 6: And then it doesn't work out. So maybe a guy
• 32:01
  Speaker 6: like DiGennaro or someone else comes back.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: So there's your roster as it stands today. And there'll
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: be changes.
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: You know, there'll be a few changes.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: Probably get out there today. There'll be.
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah.
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: It's always the best is when you just see like
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: the numbers and you're like, who can we tell whose
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: face this is and all that kind of stuff.
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: So I did absolutely no research on this, Fred. But
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: I think we saw something that I've never seen before yesterday.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: What's that?
• 32:26
  Speaker 6: Miami claims seven guys on waivers. And I don't think
• 32:30
  Speaker 6: I've ever seen that many guys get claims. It just
• 32:32
  Speaker 6: shows you how.
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: You know, what a state of flux that is in
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: right now.
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: The waiver order is interesting because it's not, if you have,
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: your priority is the same every round. So, like, if
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: you pick somebody, it's not like you go.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: To the bottom.
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not like fantasy football, which is snake draft.
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: So, like, if you have the number one claim, like
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: the Raiders had the number one claim, they could claim
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: seven guys and they would get all seven of them.
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: So Miami was up near the top two. So when
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: they claimed all their guys, they got them all.
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 33:02
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think there was a report that the Patriots
• 33:06
  Speaker 6: only claimed two guys. They got the two that they
• 33:09
  Speaker 6: put claims on.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: Okay. All right. So then the other news yesterday, I
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: think it's news. Gonzalez's trainer, Coach Flight, was on your show,
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: one of your shows yesterday.
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: I heard it.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: The Felger and the Mavs.
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: It was highly entertaining.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: And, I mean, if you take him at face value...
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: I came out of it with a positive vibe because
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: he said that from what he knows, they're working hard
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: at it. There's just some language that needs to be fixed,
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: but they're a lot better off than they were a
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: week ago. So I took that as a positive.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I hope so. The clock's a-ticking right now.
• 33:51
  Speaker 7: It is.
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: This seems like the sweet spot, though, now that it's
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: lingered this long, like right before... next Wednesday night? You know,
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: is this, can they get this done across the finish line?
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: We want to get it done before the weekend.
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: Sounds like it's trending that way.
• 34:04
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 34:04
  Speaker 6: So I think Daniel Jeremiah had something yesterday who is
• 34:08
  Speaker 6: not like, he's more of a scout type to me,
• 34:10
  Speaker 6: a draft guy than a, like a flat reporter. But
• 34:14
  Speaker 6: he seemed to think that this is close. And then
• 34:16
  Speaker 6: his agent comes on. And I'm with you, Fred.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: That wasn't his agent.
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: I mean, I'm sorry. His trainer. Thank you. I'm glad
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: that you corrected that in all seriousness. That's a huge difference.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: Huge.
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 34:27
  Speaker 6: But I don't think that the trainer goes on to
• 34:30
  Speaker 6: talk about Gonzalez without Christian at least being aware of
• 34:34
  Speaker 6: it or giving him the okay. So I think it
• 34:38
  Speaker 6: is a good sign.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: Unless we hear it. Christian Gonzalez fired his trainer today.
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: Could be.
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: And he's a guy who trains Craig Woodson, too.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: And Witherspoon.
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Witherspoon, but a couple of the Patriots that are
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: no longer here.
• 34:50
  Speaker 6: But I think it would be a pretty bad career
• 34:53
  Speaker 6: move for Coach Flight.
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: I think his real name is Christian White. But he
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: was interesting to listen to.
• 35:02
  Speaker 6: Sort of gave us some of the trials and tribulations
• 35:05
  Speaker 6: along the way, anecdotally. I think we were all kind
• 35:08
  Speaker 6: of pretty much around the truth every step of the way,
• 35:12
  Speaker 6: he seems to think it's going to get done soon.
• 35:15
  Speaker 6: He'd be surprised if it's not done before the Seattle opener.
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: Hopefully he's right.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: That would be great. Good way to open the season
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: with a little announcement like that.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: Good vibes. I mean, you don't want to go into
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: that however many hours of pregame they're going to be
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: doing that night for the NFL opener and talking about
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: Seattle's re-signed Witherspoon and Willner Williams. And meanwhile, the Patriots
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: are still trying to figure out what Christian Gonzalez and
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: what's that going to mean. Wouldn't like that to be
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: the narrative.
• 35:42
  Speaker 6: Does anybody have any concern that he would not play?
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: No. At least some games?
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: I think he would have played, but I think the
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: slightest injury, he'd be out.
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: That's kind of how I feel.
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: Not play flat out, like hold out and not play
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: because of the contract.
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: Like Logan Mankins.
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: No.
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: No.
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: If he tweaks his hamstring on the opening drive against Seattle,
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: does he shut it down?
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: That's a different. That's the fear.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: I want all that going on.
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: I agree with you guys.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: Okay. Anything else before we open up to callers, emailers?
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: Fontline's a stat.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: We got through all the roster stuff. It was a
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: lot yesterday.
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: It was a busy day for personnel. The last two
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: days was as busy as it gets in terms of
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: roster moves. Guys going to IR, claims, cutting veterans. There
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: was a lot of moving parts.
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: Yep.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: We haven't had a show since the Patriots premiere. Marcus
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: Jones is the Ron Burton award winner this year.
• 36:43
  Speaker 5: Yep. Marcus.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: Marcus.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: Any other news since the last show?
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: No? No.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think we'll hear from Vrabel
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: here at 1 o'clock, so we'll see kind of his
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: thoughts on the state of the roster.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: Good, Mike. A little programming note. We will go to
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: Mike Vrabel live at 1 o'clock. So we're in season
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: mode here. We are.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: We are. We've all been talking about it. You want
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: to get on to the season schedule, and this Wednesday game,
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: I think, is screwing everybody up, even when you're like,
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: you're in the week before. But I am looking forward, though,
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: to having that Sunday, the first Sunday of football, and
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: not having our own game and being able to.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: Just catch up on the league.
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: It's a nice early red zone Sunday for me.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: So we're going to have to do picks. Next week
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: on Tuesday?
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: Thursday, this week.
• 37:31
  Speaker 6: Yeah, so you guys, and this is probably more of
• 37:34
  Speaker 6: an off-air conversation, but I think maybe on Thursday we
• 37:38
  Speaker 6: might have to do something at least because you guys
• 37:41
  Speaker 6: are not going to be part of the Tuesday show.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: No.
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: You're not going to be part of the Thursday show.
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: No.
• 37:46
  Speaker 6: Which, you know, you guys get home, I don't know,
• 37:48
  Speaker 6: maybe two hours after. Mike and I do, but we'll
• 37:49
  Speaker 6: be in here doing a show.
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: Two hours? Maybe three.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: You're going to be home at 4 a.m.? It'll be good.
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: I'm hoping to be home by 3.30.
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: So we'll figure that out. All right. 855-PASS-500 is the hotline.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: Podcasts at Patriots.com is the email address. And as Paul said,
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: the phone lines are stacked. So let's attempt to unstack them.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: Sean's in Vancouver. What's up, Sean?
• 38:18
  Speaker 16: I'm in Montreal today, but I'll be in Vancouver eventually.
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: You're on St.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: Catherine Street?
• 38:22
  Speaker 12: Bonjour.
• 38:23
  Speaker 16: Yeah, I'll go down there probably on Thursday and hang
• 38:26
  Speaker 16: out in a closed area on St.
• 38:28
  Speaker 17: Catherine.
• 38:29
  Speaker 16: But that's not what I called. I want to know
• 38:32
  Speaker 16: if there's any chance the Patriots would still bring in
• 38:36
  Speaker 16: Dequan Jones to add to the roster. I have one
• 38:39
  Speaker 16: more question. In terms of the tackle depth, if their
• 38:44
  Speaker 16: tackles get injured, like if either... Morgan Moses, or will
• 38:50
  Speaker 16: Campbell go down? Do you think left tackle would be
• 38:55
  Speaker 16: backed up by Lomo and then right tackle by Crownover?
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: I think Lomo would play first.
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: And the new guy has some tackle experience, right?
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: Doesn't Rouse?
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say more leans, tackles, and guard.
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: But I would say crown over before him since he
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: just got here.
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I would really like to think that
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: Lomu's at least ready to be the top swing tackle.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: As a guy you drafted in the first round. That
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: was the role that I think we all envisioned him
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: having anyways coming into the season, barring a camp injury.
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: to one of the two guys.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: Herm's in D.C. What's up, Herm?
• 39:34
  Speaker 15: Hey, what's going on, gentlemen?
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: Hey, Herm.
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: Hey, Herm.
• 39:39
  Speaker 15: Fred, real quick, what's the name?
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: I keep forgetting.
• 39:41
  Speaker 15: What's the name of your YouTube channel again? Because I'm
• 39:43
  Speaker 15: getting ready to move to a house.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: My YouTube channel is called Live from the Toby House.
• 39:49
  Speaker 15: Live from the Toby house.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: Live from the Toby house. And we just posted one
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: about hobbies, but the one before that, I talked to
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: my electrician about putting in the whole house generator. So
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: you might want to take a look at that one.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: Kicks right on.
• 40:04
  Speaker 6: You might want to take a look at that one.
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: When Deuce and I start talking about backup guards.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: Backup generators.
• 40:13
  Speaker 15: Two quick questions, and then I'm going to shut up
• 40:15
  Speaker 15: and let you guys do your thing. So my first
• 40:17
  Speaker 15: question is, So.
• 40:19
  Speaker 7: Obviously, with the whole Gonzo, Kajita, whatever, I forgot who
• 40:24
  Speaker 7: he was, but somebody brought up essentially that Gonzo only, quote-unquote,
• 40:28
  Speaker 7: only has three picks in three years.
• 40:31
  Speaker 15: So my first question.
• 40:32
  Speaker 18: To you guys is, is it a lack of just
• 40:37
  Speaker 18: people not throwing at him, or is it something scheme-related,
• 40:41
  Speaker 18: his lack of picks?
• 40:42
  Speaker 15: And my second question is, so when we play the L.A. Rams,
• 40:49
  Speaker 15: in the Super Bowl, what will be a game plan
• 40:53
  Speaker 15: to account for? I mean, in essence, it's official that
• 40:56
  Speaker 15: Aaron Donald is back to account for Donald and obviously
• 41:01
  Speaker 15: Miles Garrett.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: Move the pocket.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: Move the pocket, get it out of the quarterback's hands,
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: run right at them at times. Let their aggression be there.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: I'm kind of waiting for the Rams hate to kick in.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: When are people going to get sick of the Rams?
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: Like, have they not won enough? Is that why people
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: don't hate them yet?
• 41:20
  Speaker 5: Is that why?
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: Like, they don't really have fans. That's true.
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: Like no offense.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: No one to like go at.
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: Like there's no, it's not like one of.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: These excited about it this year.
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: Nobody diehard fan bases.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: Like what, who you like, what Rams fan are you
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: going to yell at?
• 41:34
  Speaker 6: Like, I heard something today, and I don't know if
• 41:38
  Speaker 6: it was true, but it was on the radio, so
• 41:39
  Speaker 6: it has to be true, right, Fred?
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 41:41
  Speaker 6: On my shows. Their odds to win the Super Bowl are, like, ridiculous,
• 41:47
  Speaker 6: you know.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: Three to one.
• 41:49
  Speaker 6: Anybody that had, like, something like over the last 20 years,
• 41:55
  Speaker 6: there's been a handful of teams that have had similar
• 41:58
  Speaker 6: kind of odds, and none of them have won the
• 42:00
  Speaker 6: Super Bowl.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. The odds are, look. Overall, the odds are
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: against them to win. Oh, yeah.
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: I would take the field. As absolutely stacked talents-wise that
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: they are, they're older. Like Matthew Stafford's 40. Aaron Donald's
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: coming out of retirement to play. Miles Garrett's even getting
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: a little bit older. So if there's one thing that
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: I think that can stop the Rams, it's going to
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: be injuries and wear and tear on those guys.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: Kuka does something crazy. Matthew Stafford's back is all screwed up.
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: Right, right.
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: But to Herm's first question about Gonzalez, typically guys that
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: play a lot of press man don't have a lot
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: of picks because their back is to the quarterback. So
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: guys that play in zone or off coverage, they have
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: eyes in the backfield. So they have vision, as the
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: cornerbacks coaches like to call it, in the backfield. So
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: you can see the ball coming out of the quarterback's
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: hands and you can jump the passes and things like that.
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: When your back's to the quarterback, it's harder to obviously turn.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: Ty Law had a lot of picks because he would
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: just leave his man and go do whatever he wanted
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: to do.
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, even like Darrell Rivas, a lot of it is
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: targets too, but his career high in picks I think
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: was six, like five or six. It's not like those
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: guys have huge.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: They turn around, it's right there. It's not like, oh.
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: I just feel like they're very circumstantial. I agree with
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: Evan wholeheartedly. Does the guy cover well?
• 43:24
  Speaker 12: Yep.
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, you can watch him. You can see him.
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: He's generally, you know, he generally has good coverage.
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: And sometimes you're going to make plays. Like, look at
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: Kevin Byard's stats.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: That's how I was just going to bring him up.
• 43:36
  Speaker 6: Like, he goes from, like, eight picks to zero picks. Like,
• 43:40
  Speaker 6: it just fluctuates. Sometimes they come in bunches and sometimes
• 43:44
  Speaker 6: they don't.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, Devin McCourty, his first rookie season, had six
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: picks as a rookie.
• 43:50
  Speaker 13: Right.
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: I don't remember the exact number, but a lot of.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: It was just right place at the right time.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: I would like, yeah, I think that they could play
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: a little bit more off man with Gonzalez and let
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: him see the ball a little bit more, but that's
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: the usual rule of thumb is when you play a
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: ton of man, especially press man, like you're, you know,
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: just inherently your back is to the quarterback because you're
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: running with the receiver. So you're not looking at the ball.
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: So it's harder to make the play on the ball.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: Tim's in Virginia.
• 44:15
  Speaker 10: Hey, Tim.
• 44:17
  Speaker 19: Hey, this is Tim from First Time Caller. I just
• 44:22
  Speaker 19: wanted to ask, with the Christian Gonzalez contract taking so
• 44:27
  Speaker 19: long to get done, does this worry you next season
• 44:32
  Speaker 19: that it's going to be the same sort of process
• 44:34
  Speaker 19: for Drake May? And I'll just take.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: It off of you. Thanks, guys. That's a good question.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: That's a good question. What will that look like? Because
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: a little bit, you know, with Brady... It did seem
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: like a lot of it was behind the scenes. Like
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: it never really rose to becoming, you know, big news.
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: Until the end.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: Until the end. Until the end. So I guess my
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: point is this is kind of uncharted territory for the
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: Patriots since Bledsoe.
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, definitely. Just obviously it's all inflation and
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: stuff in terms of relative to the cap. But this
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: is going to be by far the biggest contract that
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: they've ever handed out.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: And what else do you have money for than to
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: pay a quarterback like Drake May?
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: Now, who is May's agent?
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: That's a good question.
• 45:25
  Speaker 12: I don't know.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: Oh, we need to find that out.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: I would love it if it gets done like Brady wants,
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: where all of a sudden, out of nowhere in the offseason,
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: it's just kind of done.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: It doesn't become this thing that's hanging over the team.
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: Because, like, Gonzalez and, like, Milton Williams, like, not that
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: that's not a lot of money, don't get me wrong,
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: but we're talking about $ 100, $ 130, like, in total value.
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: This is going to be, like.
• 45:46
  Speaker 19: $ 400.
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: So can his play this year change things, good or bad?
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: I think in terms of how much of it's fully guaranteed,
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: it could.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: I don't know how bad. I don't know how bad
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: it would have to be.
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: The total value in the AAV, I don't think, changes.
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: I mean, a lot of bad quarterbacks have gotten the bag.
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: I've already slotted kind of what it's.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: Generally going to be.
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: But in terms of how, like, if they sign him
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: to a four- or five-year extension, how many of those
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: years are fully guaranteed? It might only be three and
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: a half if he has just an okay year versus...
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: you know, really getting them all guaranteed, like Deshaun Watson style.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: You just wonder if the Cam Newton, Mac Jones, that
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: whole thing, if that, it's just a reminder of how
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: hard it is to go back into the wilderness to
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: find a quarterback again, and Drake's good enough that you
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: feel like you're investing in a guy who's going to
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: keep you in the mix, regardless of what happens around him.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: So I just, I would hope that this would not
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: be dragged out and all that, you know, all this controversy.
• 46:51
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm a big believer in that. Like, even if
• 46:54
  Speaker 6: I mean, some of these go bad. I mean, some
• 46:57
  Speaker 6: of these big contracts, obviously the guy turns out to
• 47:00
  Speaker 6: level off and not be worth that. But I think
• 47:03
  Speaker 6: we've seen enough of these kinds of situations where, yes,
• 47:07
  Speaker 6: that's going to hurt your team because now you're back
• 47:09
  Speaker 6: in the abyss that Mike just talked about. You have
• 47:13
  Speaker 6: to find another guy that can get you to that level.
• 47:17
  Speaker 6: But if you do, like I think we've seen, say,
• 47:20
  Speaker 6: like in Denver, right? you know, you mess up royally
• 47:23
  Speaker 6: with Russell Wilson, and that's not great, but you were
• 47:28
  Speaker 6: able to get out of the abyss immediately with Bo Nix,
• 47:30
  Speaker 6: and even though you have all of this dead cap money,
• 47:34
  Speaker 6: it didn't really hurt Denver. They were a playoff team
• 47:37
  Speaker 6: two years in a row. So to me, the bigger
• 47:41
  Speaker 6: issue is now you, it's not the cap and the contract,
• 47:46
  Speaker 6: it's what do we do now? This guy isn't as
• 47:49
  Speaker 6: good as we thought.
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: How do we replace him? How do we get better
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: at that position?
• 47:54
  Speaker 6: Because I think we've seen there aren't very many teams
• 47:57
  Speaker 6: in the league that aren't settled at that position that
• 47:59
  Speaker 6: are any good. You know, so that would be my
• 48:03
  Speaker 6: fear is that Drake May doesn't live up to the contract. Yeah,
• 48:06
  Speaker 6: I mean, that's not great for Robert Kraft and Jonathan Kraft. Obviously,
• 48:09
  Speaker 6: it's a lot of money. But you can get past
• 48:12
  Speaker 6: it if you can find a replacement. You can't get
• 48:15
  Speaker 6: past it if, you know, he just isn't good enough.
• 48:18
  Speaker 5: You don't know.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: You could be the Broncos. You could also be the Jets.
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: I think he's a CAA guy, by the way.
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: He is, Jimmy Sexton.
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: Jimmy Sexton, I think, is his agent.
• 48:27
  Speaker 6: So he's been a guy who's been a lot of
• 48:29
  Speaker 6: high profile, Jimmy Sexton, over the years.
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: One of the power agents, for sure.
• 48:33
  Speaker 6: So, in other words, don't expect it to just be,
• 48:37
  Speaker 6: you know, easy peasy. This is a guy who's been
• 48:40
  Speaker 6: around the block a little bit.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: Melvin's in Tennessee. What's up, sweet kid?
• 48:46
  Speaker 9: What's going on?
• 48:46
  Speaker 7: All right.
• 48:47
  Speaker 8: Hey, Melvin.
• 48:48
  Speaker 9: Hey, obviously, I think the most important group that we got, obviously,
• 48:54
  Speaker 9: heading in is, for me, the offensive line. Obviously, we
• 48:59
  Speaker 9: saw a Seattle deal last time, and just the quick
• 49:03
  Speaker 9: game itself, getting the ball up fast is something I
• 49:05
  Speaker 9: still want to see from Drake, especially tonight. Startup season
• 49:09
  Speaker 9: turnovers and stuff like that are going to be pivotal.
• 49:12
  Speaker 9: That always happens. It's always sloppy at the beginning of
• 49:15
  Speaker 9: the year in particular. So I just want to see...
• 49:19
  Speaker 9: I'm a skill that I don't know if you can
• 49:21
  Speaker 9: literally prepare for. But Tom Brady will take hits like
• 49:26
  Speaker 9: that and always never lose the ball. But the ball
• 49:28
  Speaker 9: is on the... on the ground a lot with Drake
• 49:31
  Speaker 9: and he says all the right things on the podium,
• 49:32
  Speaker 9: but it just is what it is. I want to
• 49:34
  Speaker 9: do everything that I can really just like to improve
• 49:37
  Speaker 9: and not have him take those shots and just improve
• 49:40
  Speaker 9: his ball skills. Cause I think if we can handle that,
• 49:43
  Speaker 9: I think that the, we obviously got harder, a couple
• 49:45
  Speaker 9: of harder opponents this year for the time we're going
• 49:48
  Speaker 9: to be at one turnover, two could swing the game.
• 49:50
  Speaker 9: So I'm just looking forward to that. And I think
• 49:53
  Speaker 9: if they get all this stuff cleared up, uh, they
• 49:55
  Speaker 9: should be fine. Um, you know, heading to the season.
• 49:58
  Speaker 9: But I thought Bill said something one time, like, almost like, obviously, like,
• 50:02
  Speaker 9: a good play also is just an incomplete pass or
• 50:04
  Speaker 9: throwing the ball away. I think that's something that he
• 50:07
  Speaker 9: needs to work on still. I know Drake still wants
• 50:09
  Speaker 9: to make big plays, but sometimes a good play is
• 50:12
  Speaker 9: an incomplete. So just protecting the ball is important at
• 50:16
  Speaker 9: the beginning of the year. That's all I got.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: All right. Thanks, Mel. Ball security.
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: Sacks and fumbles. Those are the two biggest things for
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: him is, like, Final Frontier. And throwing quick against Seattle
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: is kind of, is sort of playing into their hands though.
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: Like that, that's, they want you to do that. Like
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: that's how they're, they're trying to kind of bait you
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: into doing that. They have a lot of team speed
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: and a lot of really good tacklers. So you do that,
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: then you're going to be, you know, three yard completions
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: at a time. It's going to be a long way
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: to grandma's house.
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: Frustrating.
• 50:46
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Let's go to Kansas city, Trevor. What's up, Trevor?
• 50:52
  Speaker 5: Trevor.
• 50:53
  Speaker 12: Hey, guys. I'm going to channel my inner Willem and
• 50:56
  Speaker 12: Phil and then rant a little bit.
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: Stop first and take a breath.
• 51:04
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: Get worked up.
• 51:05
  Speaker 12: I'm kind of frustrated with how the team has handled
• 51:07
  Speaker 12: the offensive skill position since Vrabel took over. Now, don't
• 51:11
  Speaker 12: get me wrong. We got A.J.
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: Brown.
• 51:12
  Speaker 12: I'm not saying we're terrible, but starting with the draft
• 51:16
  Speaker 12: last year, you're on the clock. Luther Burton's on the board.
• 51:20
  Speaker 12: You take Travion Henderson. Two weeks ago, Deuce was giving
• 51:24
  Speaker 12: us a dissertation on how Mondrae is clearly better than Henderson.
• 51:27
  Speaker 12: And I'm not saying Deuce is wrong, but if Deuce
• 51:30
  Speaker 12: is right, then that was not a good pick. You
• 51:32
  Speaker 12: took a running back high on day two that isn't
• 51:35
  Speaker 12: better than Ramondre Stevenson? Mondrae's fine, but we're not talking
• 51:39
  Speaker 12: about Christian McCaffrey. And then you move over to.
• 51:42
  Speaker 20: Can.
• 51:43
  Speaker 4: I interrupt you for a second, Trevor? Yeah, go ahead.
• 51:47
  Speaker 4: Because I like this stuff. I like talking about this stuff.
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: So you just said Ramondre's fine. It's not like he's
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: Christian McCaffrey.
• 51:55
  Speaker 6: And then you're saying that picking a guy high in
• 51:58
  Speaker 6: the second round would be a bad pick if he's
• 51:59
  Speaker 6: not better than Ramondre Stevenson.
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: Well, where did Christian McCaffrey get picked?
• 52:04
  Speaker 12: Sure, he went high, but Jonathan Taylor went at the
• 52:06
  Speaker 12: top of the second round.
• 52:06
  Speaker 6: He didn't go high. He was a top-five pick. Like,
• 52:10
  Speaker 6: that's a whole round higher than Trevion Henderson. What are
• 52:13
  Speaker 6: we expecting from a high second-round running back? I think
• 52:17
  Speaker 6: Henderson's been.
• 52:17
  Speaker 12: Jonathan Taylor, Brees Hall, maybe?
• 52:20
  Speaker 6: I think you kind of got a different– you know,
• 52:24
  Speaker 6: he's not the same as those guys, but he has
• 52:27
  Speaker 6: the potential, you know, to be that productive.
• 52:32
  Speaker 4: Well– Like, he's not the same as Jonathan Taylor.
• 52:34
  Speaker 6: I don't think he's ever going to be a workhorse
• 52:36
  Speaker 6: like Jonathan Taylor or Brees Hall.
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: But he's very productive in his role.
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: I'm surprised you're taking this stance, Paul, because you've got
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: a guy who you like in Ramondre Stevenson. In your
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: draft room, I couldn't see you picking a running back
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: high second round.
• 52:54
  Speaker 6: So I wouldn't have taken the running back high second round.
• 52:59
  Speaker 6: But that's not, I don't think, Trevor's argument. Trevor's argument
• 53:01
  Speaker 6: is that he doesn't think Henderson's that good. I think
• 53:04
  Speaker 6: Henderson's been fine. Well, I mean, it's Because he's not
• 53:07
  Speaker 6: Christian McCaffrey, he doesn't make it a bad pick to me.
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: Well, no.
• 53:11
  Speaker 12: No, but you have Luther Burden, who's probably the number
• 53:13
  Speaker 12: one receiver on the Bears already. He would have been
• 53:15
  Speaker 12: the best receiver we've drafted since.
• 53:18
  Speaker 4: So I like Luther Burden.
• 53:19
  Speaker 6: I do think there were some off-field concerns that a
• 53:22
  Speaker 6: lot of teams had, and that's why he ended up
• 53:23
  Speaker 6: being a first-round talent who was taken in the second round. Now,
• 53:26
  Speaker 6: you could make an argument that there's a lot of
• 53:28
  Speaker 6: guys that come out with character concerns that end up
• 53:32
  Speaker 6: panning out in maybe... They didn't take him, and they
• 53:35
  Speaker 6: should have. I mean, I think that's a fair second
• 53:37
  Speaker 6: guess that Trevor has. But continue, because I like these
• 53:40
  Speaker 6: kinds of going back.
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: Okay, but regardless, do you think taking a running back
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: in the high second round was good for the Patriots?
• 53:46
  Speaker 6: I think the player was good. I would have probably
• 53:48
  Speaker 6: done something else. But I think Henderson's a pretty good player.
• 53:52
  Speaker 5: I do, too.
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: But I get what Trevor's saying.
• 53:55
  Speaker 12: I don't think it was bad. I just feel like
• 53:57
  Speaker 12: second-year running back, you'd kind of expect to be your
• 54:00
  Speaker 12: best running back if you're taking him high.
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 54:04
  Speaker 12: It's not that he's a bad player. I'm not here
• 54:06
  Speaker 12: comparing him to the Polks or the Tyquan Thorntons that
• 54:08
  Speaker 12: we drafted in the second round.
• 54:11
  Speaker 6: I just think if they had taken someone like B.
• 54:13
  Speaker 6: John Robinson or Jameer Gibbs, I'm taking him with the
• 54:16
  Speaker 6: idea that he's going to be my best running back
• 54:18
  Speaker 6: in year two. I'm not doing that with a second-round pick.
• 54:22
  Speaker 6: I'm not all in that this guy's got to be
• 54:24
  Speaker 6: better than the guy I have.
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: Even at the running back position?
• 54:26
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't have taken running back because you know I
• 54:28
  Speaker 4: don't really value the position.
• 54:30
  Speaker 6: But I'm saying it's a second round pick, not a
• 54:32
  Speaker 6: first round pick.
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: You're kind of lending toward... you wouldn't take a running
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: back high second round. But I wouldn't have taken B.
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: John Robinson where they took him either, and obviously I
• 54:41
  Speaker 4: was wrong.
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: Okay. Because I'm just going to say, if you are
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: going to take a running back high second round, should
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: the expectation be he's going to be a starter?
• 54:50
  Speaker 4: No, second round picks are.
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 54:53
  Speaker 6: Can we call him a starter? Does he have to
• 54:55
  Speaker 6: be the only running back to be the starter?
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: Well, he's your lead back.
• 54:59
  Speaker 4: He was an instrumental part of the offense last year.
• 55:02
  Speaker 4: Was he not?
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: I kind of get what Trevor's saying. You know, I
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: kind of get it.
• 55:07
  Speaker 6: I like Stevenson's all-around game more than I like Henderson's.
• 55:11
  Speaker 6: So I'm more comfortable with him on the field more
• 55:14
  Speaker 6: often than Henderson. But Henderson has far more big playability
• 55:18
  Speaker 6: than Stevenson does.
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: Well, he's much faster, for sure.
• 55:22
  Speaker 12: Well, I'm not saying Henderson needs 20 carries a game
• 55:25
  Speaker 12: because that's not the player he is. I'm saying Deuce
• 55:28
  Speaker 12: is telling me that Mondre is a better player.
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: He is a better player. Deuce is right.
• 55:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 55:33
  Speaker 12: So, you know, I feel like if you drafted a
• 55:36
  Speaker 12: running back specifically in the second round, they should be
• 55:38
  Speaker 12: really good, because a running back in.
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: The second round to me is kind of like.
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: He is really good.
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: Stevenson's better.
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: But they're also different players. I mean, it's, they're both
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: running backs, but I think you're in a perfect world.
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: They're drafting him in the second round and you've got
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: thunder and lightning and, you know, he really develops into
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: a passing down back that you can trust. And I
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: don't think he's done that yet.
• 55:56
  Speaker 6: Or he could be what he was last year and
• 55:57
  Speaker 6: be your home run threat. Now, maybe that was a fluke.
• 56:00
  Speaker 6: Maybe he's not going to do that again. Matter of fact,
• 56:02
  Speaker 6: I'm not expecting four 50 plus yard touchdowns again, but
• 56:06
  Speaker 6: I think he showed you as a change of pace,
• 56:08
  Speaker 6: he did have that ability.
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: And is that worth the pick? What you saw last year.
• 56:13
  Speaker 6: Again, I don't value running backs. But, yes, he was
• 56:16
  Speaker 6: a second-round pick. I think we're acting like we took
• 56:19
  Speaker 6: him at number five.
• 56:21
  Speaker 4: Like Robinson, Gibbs, and McCaffrey. Those guys were all top
• 56:24
  Speaker 4: 12 in the draft.
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: I still value the second round.
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: I do.
• 56:26
  Speaker 4: I value the second round, too. That's value.
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 56:30
  Speaker 6: 1,000-plus all-purpose yards in his rookie year.
• 56:32
  Speaker 4: I mean, how many touchdowns?
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: I think that's kind of the— What are you looking
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: for for value? I think what Trevor's saying, and I
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: don't want to put words in your mouth, but specifically
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: this position— If you're going to draft at high second round,
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: the expectation in Trevor's mind should be this guy's going
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: to be our starter, our lead back.
• 56:49
  Speaker 4: So maybe Stevenson's better than you think he is, and
• 56:52
  Speaker 4: it's a you issue.
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: Right. Could be.
• 56:54
  Speaker 6: Maybe, Trevor, this might be a Paul problem because we
• 56:58
  Speaker 6: all know that I have a soft spot for Madre Stevenson.
• 57:01
  Speaker 4: I think he's pretty good.
• 57:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: Maybe he's just that good.
• 57:04
  Speaker 12: I don't think he's bad. I just think he's kind of,
• 57:06
  Speaker 12: I mean, he's above average. I wouldn't call him a
• 57:09
  Speaker 12: top-end running back.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: I think if he hadn't had the fumble problem at
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: the beginning of the year, you'd be thinking differently about him.
• 57:18
  Speaker 4: I think he was their best offensive player in the playoffs.
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that stunted his season. But once he got back
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: on track, he was clearly your best back and maybe
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: one of, like you said, best offensive players outside of Diggs.
• 57:30
  Speaker 12: Right.
• 57:31
  Speaker 4: No, he was the best offensive player in the playoffs,
• 57:33
  Speaker 4: including Diggs.
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: Oh, in the playoffs, for sure, yeah. Because Diggs disappeared. Yeah.
• 57:38
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 57:39
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: All right, Trevor. That's a good call. No, no, no, no, no.
• 57:43
  Speaker 6: Don't hang up on him because he had a couple
• 57:45
  Speaker 6: other skill position things. I assume Kyle Williams is coming
• 57:48
  Speaker 6: up here.
• 57:49
  Speaker 12: No, I don't have a problem with Kyle Williams. That's
• 57:52
  Speaker 12: a third-round pick. It's kind of late third round, mid-third round,
• 57:56
  Speaker 12: I guess. But my next thing would be Dobbs. I
• 57:59
  Speaker 12: know you guys like Dobbs, but the Packers don't have
• 58:01
  Speaker 12: a lot of receivers, and they let him go. That
• 58:04
  Speaker 12: doesn't give you any pause. I mean, it does to
• 58:06
  Speaker 12: me a little bit.
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: I think they got a pretty good receiver.
• 58:08
  Speaker 6: Packers have a very deep receiver. Christian Watson, Jalen Reed.
• 58:14
  Speaker 6: And then they got– he was a free agent. I mean,
• 58:17
  Speaker 6: someone's got to go.
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 58:19
  Speaker 6: And he was up in Dontavion Wicks. They had a
• 58:21
  Speaker 6: lot of receivers when Dobbs was there.
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 58:24
  Speaker 12: I think they had a lot of average receivers.
• 58:27
  Speaker 4: Oh, and Matthew Golden, too. That's three.
• 58:31
  Speaker 12: He didn't do as much as Ricky here, either.
• 58:33
  Speaker 4: I know he didn't do much as.
• 58:36
  Speaker 6: If you just don't knock it out of the park
• 58:38
  Speaker 6: as a rookie, I guess you just stink.
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not going to give up on the guy,
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: you know, Matthew Golden.
• 58:45
  Speaker 6: Like, that's Kyle Williams. So this would be like the
• 58:48
  Speaker 6: Keishon Booty, Kyle Williams thing.
• 58:49
  Speaker 5: Should.
• 58:50
  Speaker 6: Should the Patriots have cut Kyle Williams because he didn't
• 58:52
  Speaker 6: do much in his rookie year and done everything in
• 58:54
  Speaker 6: their power to maintain booty? Now, Fred, you probably would
• 58:59
  Speaker 6: say yes, but I wouldn't. I think there's more upside
• 59:02
  Speaker 6: with Kyle Williams. I don't know they'll ever achieve it.
• 59:05
  Speaker 6: And same thing with Matthew Golden. I think Matthew Golden
• 59:08
  Speaker 6: is much more talented. than Kyle Williams. But maybe Trevor's right.
• 59:14
  Speaker 6: Maybe he just never pans out. And they're going to
• 59:17
  Speaker 6: be looking for a guy like Dobbs, and they're going
• 59:19
  Speaker 6: to lament having let him go because he was a
• 59:21
  Speaker 6: reliable sort of secondary receiver.
• 59:24
  Speaker 4: He's not a star.
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: Dobbs is not a number one.
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: Well, listen, all I know is that your guy, Felger,
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: is a huge Packer fan, even though he complains about him.
• 59:34
  Speaker 4: And he likes Dobbs.
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: He likes Dobbs.
• 59:35
  Speaker 4: Likes Dobbs, doesn't love him.
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: Doesn't love him, but said he was a good, capable receiver.
• 59:40
  Speaker 4: But it's also right in his wheelhouse of receivers.
• 59:44
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 59:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: I'm looking for a good, capable second. This is not
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: going to be our lead. If we had to sign A.J. Brown,
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: I'd be a little bit more worried.
• 59:54
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: But he's going to be second fiddle to A.J. Brown.
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: I like him in that role. And I think he's
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: going to be productive.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, if you watch him in training.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 4: It's a great call, Trevor.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: Last couple of weeks.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's it.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: None of us were inspired by him early on when
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: we saw him, but he's come around.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 4: That's one of my favorite calls. I love those kinds
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 4: of discussions.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: Well, it's well thought out.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 6: Yeah, but I love looking at drafts, looking at personnel
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 6: moves and free agents. You did this, you could have
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 6: done that. How would it look if it was Luther
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 6: Burden instead of Trevion Henderson? You might like it better.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 4: That might have not made you have to spend $ 68
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 4: million on Romeo Dobbs. You know, maybe you'd still have booty.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 6: You know, there's a lot of different dominoes that fall in. Like,
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 6: I kind of like those kinds of calls. Like, there's
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 6: no definitive right and wrong answer, but it's food for thought.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: Just makes me think about Henderson and how he's going
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: to fit in and how much trust they have in
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: him right now. Because I think in a perfect world,
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: I would love to feel like they have full confidence
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: in him to put him out there on third down.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: And no matter what needs to be done, he's going
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: to be like your Kevin Falk.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 4: So that's not going to happen.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 6: I'm just going to tell you right now that's not
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 6: going to happen because they have more confidence in Ramondre
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 6: Stevenson doing the third down stuff. That doesn't mean he's
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 6: not going to be out there on early downs. I
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 6: don't know why it has to be a third down
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 6: package because he's smaller.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: Well, that's why.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 4: But he's not a blitz pickup guy so far. Now,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 4: maybe he'll come into it.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: He was supposed to be. He was good in college.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 6: Yeah, but it's mental. It's not a physical thing. It's
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 6: a mental thing. And I don't think that he has
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 6: picked up necessarily the schemes.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: I agree totally with how you're painting him right now.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: And that's what's, it's not even like a down roll.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: It's just like a specific situational role where like we
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: need some juice right now. Like, you know, and that
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: seems like a very specific hard way to get this guy.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 6: And I might be fooling myself into thinking he can
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 6: do what he did last year again. Because I was,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 6: I'm going to tell you right now, I was underwhelmed
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 6: with him last summer. I know everybody went Gaga over
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 6: the kick return to start the preseason. And then evidently
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 6: it was a coverage breakdown in Minnesota that he just
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 6: ran a hundred yards with no one near him. And
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 6: everybody went crazy. We didn't see any of that kind
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 6: of stuff for eight weeks in the regular season. Then
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 6: all of a sudden it was like a big play
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 6: waiting to happen over like a four or five week stretch,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 6: Tampa Bay giants, a couple of touchdowns, um, The Buffalo,
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 6: the two long touchdowns against Buffalo in the game that
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 6: they lost here.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 4: Like, and it just exploded. Maybe I'm deceiving myself into
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 4: thinking that's what he is. And maybe that's kind of
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 4: wishful thinking on my part.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: It's a great debate because I don't really think any
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: of us know what he is.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 6: Because he didn't have a great summer again. You know,
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 6: I was underwhelmed last summer. I've been even less impressed
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 6: what I've seen this summer.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: He looks great when he kept a little wheel route
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: going out.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 4: I don't think he has great hands.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 4: I don't think he looks natural in the passing game.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: A little lob out of the backfield and go, but
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: it hasn't been a lot.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: Patty's in Agawam. What's up, Patty?
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 21: What's up, guys?
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: Patty, I heard you on Paul's station promising Barth in
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: heart that you'd be calling in to their pregame show
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: every week.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: That's hurtful.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I usually do on Sundays.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: I hear you.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 11: You know, you guys.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 22: You guys come in later.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 21: You guys have the real pregame show, and I like
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 21: to ask the real questions with.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: Com. Yeah. Okay. All right.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: Spreading yourself thin.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 21: Plus, you know, Andy's got his Patriots ties, and Barth
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 21: is kind of a pseudo-Patriots.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: We've got to go to Vrabel, Patty. Hold on.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 5: Great.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 20: You've got your roster down to 53.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 14: You've acquired.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 20: a few players in the process. I'm just wondering if
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 20: you feel any better about your depth with those moves.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 23: Well, it's, you know, adding, you know, 10, I think,
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 23: new faces up to 10. That may continue to rise.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 23: You know, those are new guys to work with, but also,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 23: you know, we've got to get them moving pretty quick.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 5: So that's okay.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: Sorry about that.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 23: Just how we do things, how we practice, and every
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 23: place is different. There's 31 other teams and these guys
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 23: are all coming from somewhere new that they put a
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 23: lot of time in to learn in their system and
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 23: how they do things. Now we just have to ask
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 23: them in a short amount of time to try to
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 23: figure out.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 5: How it is that we do things and.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 23: How we operate and move and function and the flow
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 23: of this building. So I'm hopeful that that'll happen and
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 23: that those guys will be able to come in and
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 23: help us and find a role, and we'll work with
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 23: them to get them moving.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 10: Thank you for talking about the roster, but also at
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 10: the beginning of camp, you discussed the sense of urgency.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: Eight days now to go, preseason behind you.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: What's your mindset and message to the players as they
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: get ready for the opener?
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 23: Well, I mean, we have to continue to build in
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 23: preparation and make sure that there's a lot left in
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 23: the tank, that the tank's full. When we get out
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 23: there on Wednesday night is when everything has to be
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 23: ready to go. We'll keep working towards that, but also
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 23: just be mindful. I don't think we can go seven
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 23: days straight. That's not necessarily the idea, so trying to
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 23: put a practice plan together that allows for the preparation,
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 23: the speed, and then maybe dial back and then ramp
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 23: back up again.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: Any word on captains or how you'll go through that?
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 5: I'll tell the team this afternoon at practice here in
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 5: a little bit.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 23: I'm sure we'll get it from our social team.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 5: For me, the players are the ones that pick the captains.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: You guys claimed two players yesterday.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 4: What do you like about Cameron and Darius?
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 23: Um, Just guys that have really played NFL games, meaningful
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 23: football games. Darius has shown the ability to play both
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 23: spots inside. Zach had some comfort and some familiarity with
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 23: him in New York. I was with Cam during my
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 23: time in Cleveland and really enjoyed getting.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 5: To know him and being able to work with him.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 5: and try to help him.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 23: And, you know, we had some conversations about him last
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 23: year and, uh, you know, he went on to do some,
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 23: some really good things to help Philadelphia. And then, you know,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 23: we just thought it'd be a good opportunity to add
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 23: somebody that, uh, has excelled at special teams and, and also, um,
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 23: you know, looking to earn a role at tight end.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 24: Mike, you've been a part of season openers. We're at
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 24: the whole, you guys opened the season 2002 against Pittsburgh,
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 24: for instance. What's, uh, What's different about opening the entire season,
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 24: if anything, and how do you translate it to the guys?
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 23: I mean, obviously that means that, you know, that you
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 23: either had a really good season or the people that
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 23: you're playing had a really good season. You know, there'll
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 23: be a lot of energy there. We'll have to be
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 23: ready for the environment and, you know, we'll have to
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 23: be really sound in our operation and everything that we do.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 23: You know, the magnitude of it is, you know.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 5: Always important.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 23: There's not that many games. Every game is critically important.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 23: It'll be a great test and a great challenge for
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 23: us to be able to go on the road and
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 23: do that early in the season.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 14: Mike, how far back did you start working on Seattle,
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 14: at least in parts, whether it be in spring or
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 14: in the summer? Where did you sprinkle in things about
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 14: Seattle in this game?
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 23: I think you have to be careful how much you
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 23: do early on at I don't know how much gets retained.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 23: You try to focus on fundamentals and our offense and
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 23: what it is that.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 5: We're trying to do in all three phases.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 23: There were times during training camp or times last week
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 23: that we tried to do stuff. I think you just
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 23: have to be careful. The first game is not much.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 23: They've got a new coordinator and some things will be different.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 23: I'm sure they'll have some plays that are similar that
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 23: they like and, you know, I think their defensive.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 5: Structure, um, you know, may be the same. It may not. I'm,
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 5: it's a good defense. You know, they're very talented.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 23: Um, you know, so you just have to, I guess,
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 23: be careful how much you show them and try to
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 23: focus on, you know, what it is that we're trying
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 23: to accomplish. And, you know, certainly we'll show them plenty
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 23: and have shown them some.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 10: Have you been watching, uh, hard knocks with a close eye, uh,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 10: tension or anything like that?
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 5: I mean, I think we go through it. It's not much. that's–
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's not like, you know, it's.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 23: You get to operate and make sure they have content
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 23: and they can control the content.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 5: You know, but we take a look at it just
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 5: to see what's going on.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 20: When you look at the beginning of the season, how
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 20: big of a loss is– Harold Landry's injury status?
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 23: You know, I mean, we'd love to have Harold back.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 23: We'd love to have Schooler back. You know what I mean?
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 23: But those guys, you know, I don't think that they–
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 23: I wasn't probably anticipating them being out there. So that's–
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 23: you know, I mean, if it was something that was sudden,
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 23: maybe that would be a little different.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 5: But I don't– you know, I think the plan was
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 5: this isn't unexpected. Bryce, what's next?
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 20: Was there any thought of putting him on injured reserve
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 20: the day prior? Why was there kind of the way
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 20: to put him on injured reserve?
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 5: Just a different, you know, to be able to, you know,
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 5: different things with the roster.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 23: So to be able to, you know, you get eight
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 23: of those designated for return and just wanted to see
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 23: kind of where that went and, you know, how you
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 23: use those throughout the.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 5: Course of the year. So that was probably the reason.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 4: How did you guys build the two open roster spots?
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 5: Filled the two?
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 23: Yeah, I think we claimed guys and we'll have to
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 23: continue to add to the practice squad.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: Bigger picture question.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 10: Talk to many people this offseason, seek any advice, anything
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 10: like that, on just how to move on to the
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 10: next season following a Super Bowl loss. Is there anything
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 10: you've looked into as far as that?
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 23: No, I mean, we have a lot of new guys
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 23: on the roster. We have guys that are returning, our
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 23: core guys, and understand that the journey is going to
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 23: be a lot more difficult just based on how we finished.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 23: But I think that if you can prepare and play
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 23: well and give yourself a chance to win, focus on
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 23: that particular game and then move on to the next
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 23: week and treat that independently of anything else, figure out
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 23: who's available. I think just staying consistent is probably– the
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 23: thing that we have to continue to do and not,
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 23: you know, ride the waves up here and then down
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 23: low and just, you know, try to stay consistent and
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 23: continue to improve. The teams that do that are usually
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 23: the ones that play in January.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: How are you feeling about your depth on the core
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: special teams units?
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 23: And with all the change and injuries, are there any
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 23: guys that you're maybe hoping to step up in that regard?
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 23: I mean, I think it was good to see a
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 23: lot of the young guys improve on special teams, you know,
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 23: Gabe and Q and, You know, Nam, you know, Khalil
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 23: was working there before he got injured.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 5: And, you know, some of the young gunners that we have.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 23: And, you know, so, I mean, I think that that
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 23: was good to be able to get those guys a
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 23: lot of work in the preseason and in the joint practices.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 5: A lot of those guys hadn't played special teams, certainly
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 5: at our level.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 23: Or the demands of it, the tricks of the trade
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 23: and kind of what goes on out there. So, I
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 23: think some of the guys that we've acquired have played
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  Speaker 23: I forget your second question. The guys that are going
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  Speaker 23: to step up or the guys that are going to
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  Speaker 23: step up. I wish I could control how they step up.
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  Speaker 23: The ones that take advantage of opportunities usually get more
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  Speaker 23: opportunities and then will be out there.
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  Speaker 5: The ones that don't usually have to.
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  Speaker 23: Wait a little bit to have their turn come back.
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  Speaker 11: Around You guys are still constructing and tinkering with the roster,
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  Speaker 11: but do you feel that the core of it right now,
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  Speaker 11: the 53, could compete for another Super Bowl?
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  Speaker 23: We're focused on just competing against Seattle, not competing for
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  Speaker 23: something that's going to happen in February.
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  Speaker 5: We really just are trying.
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  Speaker 23: To indoctrinate and, I guess, onboard these new players to–
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  Speaker 23: understand our language, our terminology, how we practice, where to go.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, they just got in there.
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  Speaker 23: Late last night, and they're going through that process. But
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  Speaker 23: I love the guys that we have. We're going to
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  Speaker 23: try to get the young guys going, but also get
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  Speaker 23: the guys that just got here. So there's 10 new guys,
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  Speaker 23: and some of them are on the practice squad, some
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  Speaker 23: of them are on the 53-man roster.
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  Speaker 25: Mike, when you construct the 53-man roster, is your focus
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  Speaker 25: mainly keeping the best 53 players, or you also consider
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 25: some of the positions that you can afford to put
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  Speaker 25: on practice squad and elevate during the game day?
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  Speaker 23: I think that there's a lot to it. Some of
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  Speaker 23: the guys that are on the practice squad will get
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  Speaker 23: elevated to try to use those rules as much as
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  Speaker 23: we can. Sometimes it comes down to young players that
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  Speaker 23: it's a game of who you might lose and who
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  Speaker 23: somebody else may claim. You don't know what they saw
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  Speaker 23: in the player or maybe they saw in preseason. I
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  Speaker 23: think we have a vision for each guy. That's really
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 23: what we try to do and then go from there
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  Speaker 23: and look through the claims.
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  Speaker 5: I appreciate the process and.
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  Speaker 23: The hard work that everybody had and Elliot and Ryan
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  Speaker 23: and Elliot's staff and the coaches to all help and
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  Speaker 23: try to identify guys that we could potentially add in
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  Speaker 23: a short amount of time.
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  Speaker 20: I'm curious what you saw from him throughout the summer
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  Speaker 20: that kind of helped him or made it so he
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  Speaker 20: earned that spot on the roster.
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  Speaker 5: I think he continued to be coachable.
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  Speaker 23: I think that that was something that he really improved
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  Speaker 23: on to take the coaching.
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  Speaker 5: And to understand you know, where he needed to improve.
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  Speaker 23: I think that, you know, just looking at special teams,
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  Speaker 23: I think that that was something that, you know, he
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  Speaker 23: improved at, you know, be able to be a rookie
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  Speaker 2: from Mike Vrabel for you guys?
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  Speaker 1: On to Seattle.
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  Speaker 6: Well, and I would say, Mike, you, I think, had
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  Speaker 6: the whole roster breakdown from, you know, the first part
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, I think there was a real eye towards
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  Speaker 6: special teams and finding some guys that had some experience
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  Speaker 6: in the league playing.
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  Speaker 4: On special teams.
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  Speaker 6: They did have a big roster turnover, so there's a
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  Speaker 6: lot of young guys that haven't really experienced it yet.
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  Speaker 4: I think that had a lot to do with some
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  Speaker 4: of the mixing and matching.
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  Speaker 1: Seems like things are a little bit still in motion, too.
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  Speaker 1: We'll see how things land over the next couple days.
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  Speaker 5: Yep. Okay. Okay.
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  Speaker 4: Do you have anything else?
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  Speaker 5: No.
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  Speaker 4: You're usually good at reading between the lines.
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  Speaker 2: No, I thought there was some good coach answers. Are
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  Speaker 2: you ready? We have up until Wednesday. Next Wednesday to
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  Speaker 2: be ready.
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  Speaker 6: We're just trying to get the quarterback center exchange.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 4: Speaking of which, Bill Belichick, 1-0.
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  Speaker 15: 1-0.
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  Speaker 5: UNC.
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  Speaker 4: Classic.
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  Speaker 1: I did not see that coming. I was actually at
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  Speaker 1: Anejo in Hyannis during that game, but I was in
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  Speaker 1: the background.
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  Speaker 6: It was a miserably bad football game between two bad teams.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: I kept looking up, and I was like 15 to 10.
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  Speaker 1: I thought they scored.
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  Speaker 4: What happened?
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: They go for another four down.
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  Speaker 6: They just kept going for four downs instead of just
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 6: kicking field goals that win games.
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  Speaker 2: Good for him.
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  Speaker 4: I could feel the love, Freddie.
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  Speaker 2: Patty's been holding on throughout all that. What's up, Patty?
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  Speaker 26: We've got to do the fresh take.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, we got to do the fresh take. Sorry. Oh, Paul.
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  Speaker 1: Do you have a fresh take?
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  Speaker 2: restaurant today. LegalSeafoods.com. So, Paul, what is your fresh take?
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  Speaker 6: So my fresh take is going to be a little
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  Speaker 6: bit fresher this week than it was last week.
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  Speaker 4: Christian Gonzalez is going to sign soon.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 4: That's my fresh take.
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  Speaker 2: You've changed.
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  Speaker 6: No, well, last Tuesday, my fresh take was I thought
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 6: it was imminent. And then I heard from all the
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 6: parties involved, Elliot Wolfe and Ryan Cowden and Christian Gonzalez himself,
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 6: and it wasn't imminent. A week later, he still hasn't
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 6: signed any extension yet. I am looking at some of
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 6: the stuff that we talked about, though, that Fred mentioned,
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 6: you know, his trainer going on one of my shows
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 6: talking about it. I think Daniel Jeremiah had a comment
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 6: that sort of led.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 4: I think it's close.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 6: I think these things sometimes can be closer, but there's
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 6: some language in the contract. So my fresh take this
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 6: week is that I messed up last week. I'm sorry
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 6: I was wrong. But this week it's going to happen.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 4: They don't want that hanging.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 2: Over their heads. From your mouth to God's ears. Heading
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: into the opener.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: If you've got to pick a day, what day? If
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: it happens, what day?
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  Speaker 2: Saturday.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 5: Saturday?
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 4: Okay. I'll go with Saturday.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: Go Friday.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 5: Friday.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: It's an off day.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: Friday news, though?
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 4: Quaker State.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: Patty, you there?
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 5: Patty?
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: Go on. He's gone. All right. Let's go to Eldred,
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: North Carolina. What's up, Eldred?
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 5: Hey, fellas.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 22: How y'all doing?
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: Doing good.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 22: I'm at the dock getting unloaded, but we're below the horn,
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 22: but I think I have everybody jumping.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't want to do that while you're parked.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 22: You know, understand how you feel. And like I said,
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 22: you can't get everything, but you can get something. But
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 22: I can see his point. You're paying out a bunch
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 22: of million dollars to 30-year-olds or whatever that's coming to
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 22: help the team some. But your words are develop, draft, develop,
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 22: and pay.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 12: You got two of them.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 22: That's May and him. And you don't want to pay Gonzalez?
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 22: You know, if whatever they're saying is true, I think
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 22: you did wrong. And if you go in there and
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 22: get embarrassed on Wednesday night because you don't have him,
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 22: and Seattle get paid for other guys, and they're in
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 22: a turmoil meeting, I think that's dead wrong, too.
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 12: So pay the guy.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 22: Come to some kind of agreement, and if you trade them,
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 22: they still look bad on you. And I'm talking to
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 22: Kraft and Wolf. And other than that, you know, where
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 22: things going? I did say 14-3. Right now I'm going
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 22: to rescind. If they don't have guns, though.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: Okay. Well, I mean, you know, he is under contract.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: So even if they don't sign him, theoretically he's going
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: to play. But we'll see.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: Hey, Fred, one.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 22: Of your colleagues said the same thing, but he threw this.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: Back at him.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 22: Even though you said you got him on the contract,
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 22: the owners and the players came to a meeting the
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 22: three years that you agreed to pay the player. You
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 22: agreed to that. That's in the agreement.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: Okay?
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 22: So you still got to honor it. That's the way
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 22: I look at it.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 4: Fred's not suggesting, you know, Eldred, Fred's not saying that
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 4: he's out of wine and looking for a contract extension.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 4: I think you think he deserves.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: A contract extension. I'm just saying that if things don't
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: work out, he's still under contract.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's all. That's all.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: I'd be doing what he's doing.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 4: We understand.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 6: This is why we're sort of on the player's side
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 6: in this. I mean, I think he's done everything that
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 6: you've asked him to do. He's three years in, and
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 6: this is what the rules tell you.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: I think in his draft class, like, ten of the
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: guys in the first round have already signed. Step or three.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 22: Step or three of them. Him, the quarter, and the quarterback.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 22: You know, one of the quarterbacks. But, you know, he's
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 22: the best of all of them. That's what I really
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 22: got to gripe about, you know, because– I don't think
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 22: Davis or them other little runs that we saw against
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 22: Cleveland can run with Jay at the end.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 17: Just stay with him.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 22: So, you know, if you want to get embarrassed, I'd
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 22: rather have a guy that's ready to play than a
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 22: guy that's pissed off by the contract and don't play.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: See what I'm saying?
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 4: I think we're all in agreement.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: That's the best of both worlds.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we're all in agreement. You want everybody happy.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: Kumbaya.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: Thanks, Alfred.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 4: He brought up one small thing, Mike. I'm sorry.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 5: Just.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 6: And I hadn't really thought of it in those terms yet,
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 6: but let's say that they don't sign the extension. And
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 6: let's say that that is a little bit of a problem.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 6: And not just with Christian Gonzalez, but maybe there's a
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 6: couple of other guys that are like, why? Why do
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 6: we not sign him? And then they look, and then
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 6: it doesn't really go well next Wednesday. And Seattle takes
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 6: him to the woodshed. Worst case scenario. That could be
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 6: a thing. This is what happened. They re-signed JSN. They
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 6: re-signed Witherspoon. They re-signed Leonard Wendt. They took care of
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 6: their guys and look at how much better off they
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 6: are than us. They just killed us because they're happy.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 6: You know what I mean?
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: It may not be true, but the narrative would be that.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 6: It wouldn't be a foolish narrative. That could be something
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 6: that's on some veteran's mind. Remember when going way in
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 6: the way back machine when they released lawyer Malloy right
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 6: on the eve of the season and, and Brady among
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 6: many veterans, they were pissed off and they got blasted.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 6: Now they were mature enough to overcome that. And they responded, um,
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 6: with a little help from Tom Jackson. If you recall
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 6: the next week, they hit their coach. Um, and that
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 6: got them, you know, sort of refocused and remotivated.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 4: But there's no guarantees, you know? That would be a
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 4: bad sort of way to kick off the season. I
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 4: stepped on you. You were going to.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: No, it's okay. I had kind of a different direction.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 13: I just.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: I've seen enough negotiations happen over the course of my
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: life to know that everything's a negotiation. And I guess
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: what I just can't quite... What I don't ever quite
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: understand is just the outrage directed at ownership to just
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: give him whatever he wants. You know, I just... Like,
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: I get it. You want... it to be a fair
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: deal and everybody's happy with it. But, you know, and
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying, and I'm not judging either side. Like,
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: we don't know what's in the.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: But that's the problem. We don't know what Gonzalez is
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 2: asking for. The loudest people are just like, just give
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 2: him what he wants. Just give him whatever he wants.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 4: I would never say just give anybody whatever they want. Like,
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 4: I would never say that.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: But that's an exaggeration. But that's like the tone I
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: get from a lot of the fans that... You know,
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: and I get that they're frustrated. And at the end
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: of the day, they just want their player to be
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: playing for their team and to be happy. But I
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: just never get that outrage at either side because you
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: don't know.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 6: What I would say is, and I'm just going to
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 6: use round numbers just to make it easier. Like, if
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 6: it's going to take $ 100 million in guaranteed money to
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 6: sign him, that's what he wants. So that's, you know,
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 6: like it's $ 101 million for Witherspoon. So that's what.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 4: It takes to sign him. I would say give it
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 4: to him. But really give it to him. Don't put
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 4: it in the forms of these random option bonuses down
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 4: the road. Give it to him the way everybody else
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 4: gets it. Don't make him have to have per-game roster bonuses.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 4: That would be the only thing I'm saying. But I
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 4: would never say, oh, just give every player whatever they want.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 4: That's no way to run a business. You can't do
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 4: it that way.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 4: $ 100 million will get it done. We'll give it $ 200 million. No.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 6: Teams aren't successful doing it that way either.
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: That's why I just.
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 2: Everything's a negotiation.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 4: Everything's a negotiation.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: And that's talking in the press. And you've seen these
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: things all the time. But to become so entrenched on
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: one side, it's like, well, it could all work out.
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: And it could be a great deal for both sides.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 4: Do you feel like people are entrenched on one side
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 4: in this?
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: Well, I feel like people are generally entrenched on a
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: side everywhere these days.
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 6: I've been really surprised with how many people... I hear
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 6: on my shows, call in. These are not the people
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 6: on the shows. These are people calling in that are anti-Gonzalez.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say it's about 30 percent. I think 70
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: percent in favor.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't think, yeah, I would probably agree with your numbers, Freddie.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 6: I can't believe there are anybody that are really, like,
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 6: based on the way that Gonzalez, you know, he hasn't really.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 4: Spouted off.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 6: He showed up for work. Yes, he took the joint
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 6: practices off. But that's not about these people. That didn't
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 6: have anything to do with the people that are saying
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 6: don't pay.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: I think that one report, and I don't think it's true,
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 2: but I think it was one of your guys, Bedard,
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 2: about the 18% he was asking for of the cap.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: And that came out to like $ 50 million.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: Like a floating, he always gets a percentage of the cap.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, something like that.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 4: I'm not familiar with that report.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 2: And I think people took that and said, oh, that's ridiculous.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 6: But I've heard people talk about sort of the counter
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 6: to what Eldred was just saying, he's under contract. In
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 6: my business, if I was under contract, you don't get it.
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 4: You don't understand.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 6: This is a collectively bargained item. The owners were sick
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 6: and tired of paying rookies astronomical.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 4: Salaries before they had done anything.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 6: So they got a rookie wage scale, which I think
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 6: and again, I'm not always anti owner. I think that
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 6: was a brilliant and much needed alteration to the CBA.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 6: Like there was ridiculous the amount of money the rookies
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 6: were making before they ever played it down. So now
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 6: it's more in line with what you deserve. The flip
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 6: side of that is, now let me get out of
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 6: these rookie contracts.
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 2: After year three. After I've proven myself.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 6: I've proven myself, and I've outperformed my contract, so let
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 6: me pay for it. Don't make me pay five years
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 6: before I can renegotiate my contract and actually cash in. Because,
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 6: as you know, in that league, five years is not
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 6: like the other leagues. Five years is a long time
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 6: in the NFL.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: Every game could be your last in that league.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: Good stuff. Let's see, Anthony, a quick question. He wants
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: to know, what's the deal with Schooler? What's his status?
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: He's on NFI.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 4: That's a great question.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: Some kind of injury training, probably, during the summer that
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: he came back and he wasn't able to participate, so
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: he was put on PUP and rolled right over into NFI, PUP,
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: so he's out at least the first four.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 4: He's on NFI, not PUP.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, he's out the first four games, at least.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: We don't know what the injury is. Tom, you know,
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: working out a little bit on the lower field, it
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: didn't seem like he was in traction or anything, but Um,
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: no idea.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 4: And I do wonder, um, yeah, I mean, I wonder what,
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 4: what happened, but whatever.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 6: And, and if I, um, sort of indicates he got
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 6: injured doing something that wasn't Patriots.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: Related, wasn't a team activity.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 6: Um, I don't know if it was like workout related.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 6: I don't know if it was doing something else. I
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 6: have no idea, but it's, you know, whatever it's going
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 6: to cost them at least the first four games.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 2: Uh, let's see, uh, Jeffrey in Canada, uh, I know
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 2: Vrabel said it, but I'm tired of hearing about it. Depth.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 2: No depth. Lack of depth. Depth is a huge concern.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: Sounds like a media creation because they have nothing bad
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: to say about the team. NFL is not a league
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: of depth. It's shared revenue, salary cap, equal opportunity to improve,
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 2: which means most teams are happy if they have 30
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 2: NFL-level players on their team, which they call the ones.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 4: Patriots would be thrilled with 30.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: Unless you're the 26 Dolphins.
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 7: Ha-ha.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 2: If major players get hurt, it's going to be a problem.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: But that's the case for all 32 teams, not just
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: the Patriots. The media feel the need to try to
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: ruin our enjoyment of the team, which two years ago
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: might have only had 15 NFL-level players on a 3-14 record.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 2: Buzz off, Boston media. Give me sunshine.com.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 5: Well, I don't know.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: We've been kind of talking about that ourselves.
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 6: What a tour de force of an email right there.
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 6: I know Frabel said it, but this is a media creation.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 6: That's how we entered into that. It's the media's fault
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 6: that the head coach lamented the lack of depth on
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 6: his team. And the Patriots would be thrilled with 30
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 6: NFL caliber players, by the way.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: You know, just the bigger concern for me, and it's
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: like you sit here at this point where you get
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: to cut down day, day we've been circling, and all
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: of a sudden it's, you're seeing some of the flaws
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: with the team building process.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 4: Now it's not ideal. What do you say? 10, we're
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 4: going to have 10 newcomers.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: That's not ideal faces. And you know, it's just, I mean,
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: I like to look at it as the draft. You know,
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: I like to look at, this isn't just your depth
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: for this season and guys who aren't going to play.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: This is first of all, guys who are going to
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: potentially be thrust into roles because people get hurt. That's
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: the most obvious one, but it's also about the longterm
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: development of your team. And there's a bunch of free
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: agents next year. So this team's going to turn over significantly.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: Who are you going to turn it over to? Not
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: a bunch of, you know, rookies from 2024 that you
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: feel like, oh, wow, they're coming into their.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 4: Prime right now.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 6: This is a product of 21, 22, 23, 24 drafts. Like,
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 6: that's why Mike Vrabel said what he said after the
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 6: Philadelphia game. And it's not pointing the finger and blaming
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 6: anything or anybody, but the fact of the matter is
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 6: your backups should be products of those drafts. And I
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 6: don't have them all right in front of me right now,
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 6: but I want to say there's seven players who were
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 6: drafted from 2020 to 2026. Well, 2025, sorry. The 26
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 6: draft is obviously most of them, if not all of them,
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 6: are still here. But 2020 to 2025, they're down to
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 6: like seven players. Like Michael Wenu, Christian Gonzalez, Marcus Jones.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 6: They're not that many.
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 4: They're not that many.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: And what's the average for a team in a five-year
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 2: or six-year span of draft to have still on your team?
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 4: I don't have that off the top of my head.
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: I think you want to get two players every year.
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: I think that's the bare minimum. Get two players, guys
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: that can play and they want to keep around.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 4: So that would be 12. But that would be different.
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 4: So you have half of that.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 6: But I would also say you have two players that
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 6: you feel really good about. You shouldn't need to be
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 6: hitting the waiver wire to fill out your special teams
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 6: because the 90 OBIs of the world that you draft
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 6: in the fifth and sixth round should be your special
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 6: teams players.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 4: Do you know what I mean?
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 4: That's what you hope for.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 6: You don't want to necessarily have to pick at other teams'
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 6: rosters to find these guys. You know, your backup offensive
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 6: linemen should be guys that you drafted in the sixth round.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 5: Not.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 6: Guys that you have to trade for on the day
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 6: of the cut down.
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 2: You have those guys.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: You look at the receiver group where that to me
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: is like a model where you have superstar, a solid veteran,
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: a kid you drafted, an undrafted kid you're developing. You
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: kind of have a hierarchy that can hopefully help the
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: team be healthy in the long term. It's not just
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: this year. It's about the future.
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 6: I'm with Mike on this. Mike is really adamant with
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 6: the draft. The draft and the defense are Mike's big things.
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 6: But he ain't wrong on either one.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 4: Just look back. What was the draft? It was like
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 4: maybe four drafts ago. It was Jake Andrews, Antonio Mafi,
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 4: and City So. They were all day three offensive linemen.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 4: None of them are here anymore. It wasn't that. Was
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 4: it three drafts, four drafts ago? It wasn't that long ago.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 6: Now, you did get Michael Wenu in the 2020 draft
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 6: in the sixth round. Great pick, obviously. But I'm not
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 6: even asking you to do that all the time. That's hard.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 6: To get a front-line starting caliber player in day three
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 6: is hard. But shouldn't you be able to get a
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 6: Ben Brown type in the sixth round that can ably
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 6: back someone up?
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 2: David in Rochester wants to stump the grump. He wants
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 2: to earn a t-shirt. So here's the question. It's just one.
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 2: How many times was John Elway named a first team
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 2: AP All-Pro selection?
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 5: No idea.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 2: No idea.
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 2: He stumped you then. So the answer is zero. He
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 2: was the second team AP All-Pro three times.
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: Stumped.
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 4: So he was always behind Marino?
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 2: Probably. Yeah. Let's see.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 4: Kelly? Esiason? I mean, it's kind of.
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 2: Rick in Riverside, Rhode Island, is another person talking about depth.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 2: He said, I took a look at the 2020 to
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 2: 2024 draft classes, and they weren't very good. Rabel saying
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 2: they lack depth now has diminished my excitement for the season.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 2: I think the offense.
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 4: He's the anti, the last guy.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 2: I think the offense has improved and will do well,
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 2: but the defense now has me concerned, especially on the edge.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 2: Any recommendations to help me get excited for the defense
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 2: and a successful season? Deuce?
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, just.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 4: He calls on Deuce for the defense.
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: Kevin Byard, Craig Woodson. I know. Well, that's what's funny
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: about all this stuff. It's just like the season you
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: get A.J. Brown after... It feels like decades of talking
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: about getting him. You finally get the guy. He looks good.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: He's been healthy. He's shown a good connection. And we're
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: flipped to worrying about that. Oh, well, we don't have
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: a backup tight end.
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 6: The worry is on the defense. I don't think there's
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 6: a lot of concern about offense. I think they feel
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 6: like they have a good offense.
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 2: When you're averaging 32 points a game.
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 4: And I'm with you, Fred. How many times have I
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 4: said that I watched Tom Brady bludgeon teams to death?
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 2: A good defense is a good offense.
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 4: And I think that they can do that this year.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 6: I think they have a chance to be like 30
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 6: a game.
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: I am concerned about the defense long term. I just
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: I feel like they haven't done enough in recent years.
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: And that's a combination of issues. But to an extent,
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: I feel a little bit like it's withering on the vine.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: And you did. some moves the last couple of years.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: And now you're just, just tread water for us guys.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: Just tread water for us. I know Gonzalez is a
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: big piece of that, but I just think this defense
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: starting soon, they got to start adding players. I mean,
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: I spent all off season talking about the edge and
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: how great the edge class was. And here's the free
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: agent edge guys that they could do. And you could
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: bring back chase on. And somehow we get right now
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: to cut down day. And you're like, crap, we barely
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: have one guy. You know, we barely have one guy
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: at that position that we really believe in and feel
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: good about. and it's just a tough way to live.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: At some point, they're going to have to start investing
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: more in the defense, and it can't all just be
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: about surrounding Drake May, which I like, but they're going
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: to have to give some attention to the defense next year.
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 2: Ryan in Connecticut, two questions about captains, and we do
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 2: know that Rabel will be announcing the captains this afternoon.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 2: Who do you think will be named captains this year?
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 2: Any potential surprises or notable snubs? And looking back at
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: past teams, were there any captain selections that really surprised
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 2: you Or any players you were surprised didn't get a
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 2: captain spot? I mean, we've had those conversations before, but
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 2: I forget what.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: I bet Bayard and A.J.
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 5: Brown.
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 6: The only thing I would ever, ever say is it
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 6: would surprise me if the quarterback isn't a captain.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 4: I couldn't care less who the captains are. That's for
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 4: you guys. Oh, wow. That's for you guys.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 2: Oh, come on, Paul.
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: I'm going to say May, Henry, Brown.
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 2: Bayard.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 4: Bayard.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: And, geez, the Rams have like 14 captains.
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 4: Wouldn't Spillane be a captain?
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 5: Spillane. Sure.
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 6: And some rant, you know, is Schooler going to not
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 6: give you a captain because he's on NFI?
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: You need a special teams guy, right?
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 4: You need leaders.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: Who's it going to be?
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 6: I don't care if they have a C on their
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 6: chest or not. You need good leadership. That's for the team.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 6: I think it's vitally important for the team. I don't
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 6: care who they are as long as they have them.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 6: They have some guys that lead.
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: That's why we're mad at the Bruins. They don't have
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: a captain.
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 2: They just don't have one. Still?
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 2: They figured it out. Speaking of Boston sports teams, how
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 2: about that Red Sox.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 4: Game last night? What's the bigger problem for the Bruins?
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 1: They don't have the talent for that.
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 6: The fact that Pasternak is not necessarily captain worthy or
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 6: the fact that they're just not very good at hockey.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: I have to say B.
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 4: That's why I don't really care.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: Like McAvoy?
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 4: He's good.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 9: He's fine.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 5: He's good.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 4: Not great.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 2: He's not very boring.
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 4: Swimming? He's good.
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, they're the perfect example of a team when
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: you have a good goalie and a good goal scorer,
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: and that's kind of it, you know?
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 4: It's good enough to win some regular season games, get
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 4: in the playoffs, and get smoked.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 2: How about those Red Sox?
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 4: How about your Red Sox, Freddie?
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 6: That was fun. I've said this a lot to Freddie
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 6: on and off the air. He's the only one that believed.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 6: He's the only one that kept watching.
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 4: You were the only one.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 2: No. I am a little worried, though. Pitching's starting to
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 2: falter a little bit.
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 6: At some point, you have to be concerned that you're
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 6: going to sort of come back to earth, right? Like, well,
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 6: you know, you're 10 and 12 in your last 22 games.
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 6: You know, no, they're going to be 550. They're going
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 6: to be.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 2: What?
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 6: As I said, they were 10 and 12 in their
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 6: last 22 games before that comeback last night. So now
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 6: they're 11 and 12 in the last 23.
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 4: That to me is what they are.
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 6: Now, for two months, they played completely out of their
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 6: minds and played like 800 baseball games.
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 4: So that's good enough to get in the playoffs.
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah. They're in.
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, is it 10 years? I looked last night.
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 4: Oh, that's not 10 years.
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: Where they got a five-game lead? They got a five-game lead,
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they only have like 20-some-odd games left.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, like they'd have to completely and utterly collapse.
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 6: I don't have any faith in them beating anybody any
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 6: good in the playoff.
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 4: Series, but who cares?
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: But it's fun to watch. I like playoff baseball.
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 21: Who cares?
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 4: That was the most unbelievable July and August that I
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 4: can ever remember.
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 2: Roman Anthony's back, and he's hitting... Trevor Story had two
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 2: hits last night that were meaningful.
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 4: Two hits in the Sunday game, too.
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, meaningful hits.
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 1: Getting the bats back.
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 6: Only the Red Sox could lose a game 16-1 and
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 6: get screwed by the ump.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 2: By the way, I'm off Wilson Contreras.
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 4: Are you really?
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 11: Oh.
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 1: Troublemaker. Oh.
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 2: He's always involved in something.
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 4: A lot of drama.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 2: Always involved in something.
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 5: You know?
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 2: The latest thing is now the backswing hitting catchers. Two
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 2: games in a row he hit catchers. You don't need
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 2: to do that. He kicked the guy at first base.
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 2: There's always something.
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 4: I didn't even know about half of this stuff. He's
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 4: the only one who watches.
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 2: I love his production. He's cooled off a little lately.
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 4: He's fine. There's a lot of drama with him.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 2: He's a very emotional guy. And he loses his cool.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 4: He does lose his cool.
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: I always think about Fred, like, because I'll randomly flip
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 1: on Red Sox games and, you know, watch an inning
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: or two here and there.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 4: And you immediately text Fred, what did I miss the
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 4: last four innings?
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 1: And I'm in my head just imagining, like, Fred's already
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: been hunkered down since, like, the first pitch of the game.
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 6: Like, you click it on his full four innings, you
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 6: immediately text Fred, what did I miss the last four innings?
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: How did we get here?
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: He gets in his seat, like, you know, gets his hat.
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: Do you have a hat or anything?
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 3: No, they've been.
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 2: Great, though. I mean, most of these games I'm watching
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 2: in bed.
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 6: I've got to give, and you're going to make fun
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 6: of me.
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 4: I'm being dead serious.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 6: I give a lot of credit to these guys, like
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 6: the Sieglers and the Monasterios, these guys that came up
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 6: from the minors.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 4: Mickey Gasper now is out of his mind. These minor
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 4: league guys that just came up and carried the team.
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 4: I give them a lot of credit. It would have
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 4: been easy to just pack it up, but those guys
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 4: were fighting for their livelihoods. They're not major league players.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 2: First base last night, two great picks.
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: It's a little bit like the Patriots season last year
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: where you just can't believe that they were as bad
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 1: as they were, and then they were back at a
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 1: Super Bowl again. It was remarkable. The worst team, you're like, oh,
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: my God, people lamenting how horrible they are, and then
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: they go on this crazy run. Are they a historically
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 1: great team? Probably not. I think in 20.
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 4: Years, there's going to be a 30 for 30 about
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 4: this team.
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 6: And people are going to say, I can't believe that
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 6: collection of players won that many games in such a
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 6: short period of time.
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 4: They won like 40 and 10. I know. Over a
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 4: 50-game span or something like that.
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: I kept saying, I said it to Roachie, too. I
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: always felt like you were in the Moneyball montage of
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: like that. That summer was like they're.
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 4: Playing the music and you're seeing the newspaper headlines of
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 4: them winning.
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 1: There's a huge difference.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 6: Go and open up a baseball encyclopedia and look up
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 6: that A's team.
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 4: And compare it to this team.
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: Oh, you mean like the actual talent of the team? Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 1: I just meant like that.
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 4: It was just like this exciting. Tim Hudson, Barry Zito,
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 4: Mark Mulder.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: No, I wasn't comparing the teams like talent-wise. I just
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: like the vibe.
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 3: Of the whole team.
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 1: They go on this crazy run. That team was stacked.
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 4: That A's team was loaded. This team. Not loaded.
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: Raffaella.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 4: I like Raffaella.
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 2: He's turned into a really good player.
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 4: He's an all-star. I like Raffaella.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 2: Roman Toney.
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 4: Well, you didn't even want him back.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 2: Who said that?
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 5: You.
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 1: Shut him down.
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 4: You wanted him and Story. You just stay over there.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 2: Stay out of the way. Story. Story, he's doing well,
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 2: although he had two defensive plays that almost cost them.
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 18: Almost.
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 2: Two bad throws. That Mickey Gasper bailed him out.
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 6: Mickey Gasper, 30-year-old journeyman from Bryant University.
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: He set some kind of record, too, I saw.
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's hitting a home run every half-back.
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 2: In the month of July, he had the third highest... August. No, July.
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 2: One month, he had the highest one-month or third highest
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 2: behind Ted Williams and Barry Bonds. OPS.
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 2: Again.
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 4: Not sustainable.
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 2: Eddie's in New York.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 4: Good for the Red Sox. Back to football. Fred was right.
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 2: What's up, Eddie?
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 17: Hey, how's it going, guys?
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 2: Hey, Eddie.
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 12: All right.
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 17: I have two questions. Number one, as you guys know,
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 17: I've called before over the same topic, but I'll mention
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 17: that again. I'm a big guy on the offensive line.
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 17: I know the Patriots have done a lot to address
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 17: the offensive line's needs. But with Austin Hooper leaving and
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 17: Reardon being a rookie, is he going to be a
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 17: catching tight end, or is he going to be left
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 17: there for run blocking and pass protection? That's number one.
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 2: I think the intention for him is to catch balls,
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 2: but go ahead.
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 16: Thanks for that. That's number one.
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 17: And number two, I'm looking at you guys live on
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 17: TV right now, and I really love this look. The
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 17: Lazy Boy couches.
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: Oh, they don't kick out.
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I wish they were. Okay, so you like this
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 2: better than the desk.
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 4: You don't have to sit in them.
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 17: Are we keeping this or are we going back to
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 17: the podium?
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 2: Early in the week. See, we have other shows and
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 2: things that we film in here, and they use this
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 2: to help Matt. We just go right into here. But
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 2: I think on Thursdays we'll be back at the desk.
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 5: Okay, okay.
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 17: I'm just saying I love this producer. Let's keep these
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 17: guys comfortable, okay?
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 2: Whatever they want, let's get them. Paul likes the desk
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 2: because he can take his pants off.
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 4: Also, my fat stomach doesn't hang out.
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 2: All right, Eddie. And, yeah, Raritan is a pass catcher.
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 2: That's what they want him to be.
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 13: Right?
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 2: Do I have that right?
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 4: You have that right, Freddie.
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: Mix him in a little bit, you know, get his
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: feet wet.
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 2: Throw him some um pat nagawam uh question for today
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 2: could you see crown over playing tight end in jumbo
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 2: packages over lomu at least to start the season my
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 2: idea that comes from is one crown over was a
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 2: converted tight end in college there may be more of
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 2: a level of comfortability with him doing it as opposed
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 2: to lomu and to the consensus reporting early in camp
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 2: was Loma was playing tight end and jumbo packages, but
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 2: I personally didn't hear much about him doing it after
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 2: the early portions of camp.
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 6: No, he did it every day in camp until they
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 6: no longer did it anymore, but no one else did it.
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 4: And I think Lomo was a much better athlete. I
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 4: think he has quicker feet.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 6: Like, if you were going to ask someone to maybe
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 6: go in motion and make a block, I think that
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 6: would be more.
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 4: In Lomo's skill set.
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 4: Now, Crownover looks like he was built in a tackle factory.
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 4: I mean, the guy... Oh, he's huge.
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 6: Him and Marcus Bryant both look like prototypical tackles. I
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 6: don't know if either one of them can play, but.
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 16: So.
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 4: I would go with Lomu, but I don't know.
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 2: Here's an example of that 18% story affecting the narrative.
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 2: Tim A. from Phoenix writes in, I've seen reports... That
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 2: Gonzo's asking for 18% of the salary cap instead of
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 2: a hard number. Is that the language they are disagreeing about?
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 2: If that's true, what would you do? In my opinion,
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 2: no team would ever do that. No corner before now
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 2: or in the future can cover for eight seconds in
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 2: every play because you can't afford a pass rush.
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 4: Why would you not be able to afford a pass rush?
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 2: Because you're paying him 18% of your salary cap. That's
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 2: what he's saying. My daughter used money.
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 4: Who's the highest paid pass rusher they have now?
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 5: Right now?
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: Draymond Jones. Is it?
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 4: He's not making a lot of money.
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 2: My daughter used money from her first job to take
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 2: me to the Cardinals game in 2024. I took pictures
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 2: of two players, Gonzo and May. I love Gonzo, but
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 2: not at 18%. We are Patriots fans, not Gonzo fans.
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 4: I don't know where the 18% thing comes from. It
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 4: came from Bedard.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 2: Or was it Curry? It was one of those guys.
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 4: I'll trust you.
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 6: I don't read it, but I don't even know what 18% means.
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 2: That's a lot.
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 4: But is that forever?
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 2: They did the math and he would be making over
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 2: $ 50 million a year.
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 4: Like in salary?
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 4: Then no.
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 2: Of course.
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 6: I just don't believe that he asked for $ 50 million
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 6: when the highest paid corner makes $ 33.
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 2: So that's why that report, I don't believe the report.
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 2: But people are believing the report. And I think that's
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 2: where your 30% on your shows come from. That's what
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 2: I'm saying.
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 6: I don't think it comes from that. I think people
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 6: think he's under contract. There's a lot of older callers
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 6: that call in and they don't believe in this renegotiation thing.
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 6: They believe he's under contract.
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 2: How long have they been watching football? I mean, this
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 2: has been going on for 30 years.
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 4: I know, and they don't believe in it.
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 2: It's like, you know, I don't believe in oxygen. I
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 2: just don't believe in it.
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 4: It's not the same thing. Andy, it's not the same.
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 2: I don't believe it. We don't need it.
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 4: We don't need it.
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 6: But I just hate the whole, like, if you gave
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 6: someone 18%, then you wouldn't, like, your quarterback's going to
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 6: make that.
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 5: No.
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 4: So now can you not afford a wide receiver for
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 4: him to throw to? Like, stop with that nonsense.
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 2: I think the math, over $ 50 million for a quarterback,
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 2: you know, 10 years from now that might be the case.
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 6: No, but you could afford whatever you want to afford.
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 4: You just have to find a way to structure it
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 4: so it fits in the cap.
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 4: That's not that hard.
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 2: Cash budget, Paul.
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 4: That is hard. Everybody's got a budget.
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 2: Destiny in Maryland writes in, how do you guys feel
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 2: about the vast majority of the starters sitting out the
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 2: entire preseason going up against the Seahawks week one without
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 2: any real game time practice? Well, they did too. I
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 2: understand the joint practices are probably more important, but do
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 2: you have any apprehension about that?
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 1: Not really. Some do.
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 2: I don't.
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 1: I just, I mean, you mentioned the Seahawks didn't really
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 1: play either. At a certain point, you just got to
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 1: start playing the real games that matter and figure out
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 1: what your actual team is. Now, there's, you know, value
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 1: for younger guys to get experience in the preseason, you know,
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 1: that kind of thing. But for the vast majority of
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 1: this team and their veterans, I don't think it was critical.
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, I go back to what Vrabel said. What
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 1: does he get, six snaps? Like, you know, it's not ideal,
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 1: you know, but at the same time, I don't think
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 1: it's going to matter when we get to December. We're
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 1: not going to say, If they just played in preseason,
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 1: they'd be in a better position now. I think they've
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 1: got to play a game. They've got to correct the mistakes.
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 1: They've got to go back and come here and open
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 1: up against Pittsburgh. My only hope is that the running
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 1: back change in Seattle will be a factor. They have
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 1: a new offensive coordinator, too. That will be a factor.
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 1: In other words, there's enough change over there that we're
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 1: not going to see a repeat of the Super Bowl. Well, yeah,
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, it might be Jadarian Price running through your
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 1: defense instead of Ken Walker, but I know what you're saying.
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 1: There are some tweaks on both sides.
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  Speaker 6: And I get the whole preseason thing, and I would
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 6: just step back and say, in a perfect world, if
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 6: I could control everything, I would want my guys to
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 6: play a lot in the preseason to get ready for
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  Speaker 6: the regular season.
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  Speaker 1: If I could.
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  Speaker 4: Somehow guarantee that everybody's going to be fine.
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 6: I can't have that guarantee. So, in my view... It's
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 6: kind of an all-or-nothing thing. I'm either going to play
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 6: them significantly so they can knock the rust off, get
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 6: used to being hit. Drake is comfortable with guys around
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 6: him taking hits. The defensive players are tackling guys to
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 6: the ground. The running backs are trying to break tackles.
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 6: So I've got to play a half or maybe even
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 6: a little more of a game to get that. I'm
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 6: not getting that in Mike's scenario anymore.
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 4: Of six plays.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 6: What's the difference between Justin Herbert playing three plays in
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 6: a three and out and Drake May playing none?
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 10: Nothing.
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 6: He hasn't knocked any rust off. He's not in any
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 6: better shape. All you did was put him in harm's.
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 4: Way for three plays.
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 6: Again, if I could guarantee that everybody was healthy, I
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 6: would want to play. I don't think you can have
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 6: that guarantee. Well, you can't have that guarantee. Look at
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 6: all the offensive linemen the Patriots lost that were backups.
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 4: What if those were all starters?
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 6: What if you lost three starters in your offensive line
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 6: instead of Andrew Rupsch, Marcus Bryant, and Ben Brown?
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 4: What if it was Vera Tucker, Jared Wilson, and Will Campbell?
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 4: how would you feel?
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 6: They're like, what are we playing our starters in the
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 6: preseason for?
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 4: That's what everybody would say.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 1: The other funny thing, too, is that the guys who
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 1: were actually playing this preseason were also terribly tackling in
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 1: that last game. You know, like, you would think, oh,
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 1: these guys are getting some run, like a lot of
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 1: those guys that played against Cleveland and played a lot,
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 1: and they couldn't tackle. What's it going to look like?
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 4: There's going to be some sloppiness. There always is at
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 4: the start of the regular season.
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 2: This is where that CBA in 2011, really, the players
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 2: kind of got hoodwinked because the refs, The owners were
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 2: all too happy to give up things, you know, in
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 2: the name of safety. They don't care about making training
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 2: camp more safe and all that and limiting the number
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 2: of pad days and all that stuff. But they traded
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 2: that away for money.
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 4: I mean, the Patriots were on pads a lot.
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 6: I think the physicality level of their training camp was
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 6: much higher than last year with Rabel.
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 6: I just don't think there's any way to replicate being
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 6: ready to play an NFL game without playing an NFL game.
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 2: So what do you do?
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 4: I think what Mike did.
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 1: Rip the Band-Aid off.
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 4: That's how I would do it if it were me
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 4: in charge.
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 2: I haven't really fleshed this out yet, but once they
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 2: do go to 18 games, which they will, what would
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 2: you say about making the first two games only worth.
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 1: Half a win?
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 4: They're either games or they aren't.
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 5: No. No? No.
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 4: Why would you want to do that?
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 2: Because, you know, like maybe in that first two games,
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 2: I want to do some things. And if I lose
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 2: the game, okay, it's only, I only lost half a game.
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 4: You could sell me if you wanted to.
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 6: Adjust like the tiebreaker situation by saying like, let's add
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 6: a tiebreaker for, you know, the record from November on
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 6: is a tiebreaker as opposed to.
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 4: What happened in September.
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 2: But they got to do something.
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 4: Like you can't just make it a half a win.
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 2: To me, this is the only sport That you can't
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 2: play the sport to get ready. You know? When you're
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 2: not playing your starters, joint practice is not football yet
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 2: because you're not playing full speed and you're not tackling.
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 2: That's why they got rid of the Pro Bowl, by
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 2: the way. Because it's not football. It's not football. It's
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 2: patty cake. Football is a violent sport. I would just say...
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 2: And you can't get ready for violence unless you're violent.
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 10: Mike.
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  Speaker 6: I don't have the answer to this question because I've
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 6: never played hockey. But how much, like, violence is there
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 6: in hockey practice? How much hitting is there?
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 2: Oh, but you don't tackle guys.
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 4: You check.
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 6: But there's a physicality that probably doesn't happen in practice
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 6: that all of a sudden you go into your first
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 6: game and it's a bit different.
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you go through the center ice with your
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 1: head down, you're going to get lit up in the game.
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 4: And they don't really.
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 6: I mean, they have a couple of exhibition games, but
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 6: the front line guys don't really play all that much.
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 4: Certainly in basketball, they do nothing in the preseason.
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 5: But they have a whole.
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 2: It's like, how many, they have like 15 games that
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 2: they play. In hockey? Yeah. They have like three. That's all?
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 4: Maybe four.
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I thought it was more than that.
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 4: They don't play a lot of games.
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 2: I thought they played more than that, but maybe I'm wrong.
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 2: But they play.
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 6: Like baseball is the only game to me that they
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 6: actually play the game and they play it for a
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 6: month and a half.
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 4: Like that is getting you ready.
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 2: But even, but I think the other sports you can,
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 2: you can play the game the way it's supposed to
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 2: be played.
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 4: You can't do that with football. I would say that hockey,
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 4: I mean, football is the least realistic. I agree with you.
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 4: Like you can't replicate tackling.
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 2: So how do we get guys ready to play football?
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 1: Jump in and play.
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 4: I don't know why all of a sudden it's an issue.
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 4: I just don't.
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 2: I don't know why all of a sudden it's a problem.
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 2: It's also an issue because it's a bad product in
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 2: the summer. It's just a bad product.
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 5: It's been a bad product.
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 2: I know. I know. So how do we make it better?
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 4: Eliminate them.
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 1: By having 18 games, though, the impact of an individual
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 1: early season game is less. I mean, I like what
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 1: Paul's talking about, but at the end of the day.
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 1: I didn't even think of that.
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 4: The more games you add, the less importance you're putting
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 4: on them.
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 2: No, that's true.
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 4: That's a good point that Mike made.
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 12: Yep. Yep.
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 4: Good job, Mike. You're having a good show.
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 2: George and Marilyn, we've got to actually shoot. I'll do
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 2: this really quick. When are the official jersey numbers going
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 2: to be updated? Eli, number nine. Reed, number 23. And
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 2: is there a hidden reason why Gabe has number 50
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 2: right now? Almost seems like Vrabel may be using that
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 2: as some type of motivation. Also, off topic, Tom Curran
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 2: and Phil is starting to sound like Paul's boys, Felber
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 2: and Maz. Negative, negative, negative. Tom is the one stressing
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 2: Gonzo's pick totals but failed to bring up Witherspoon as
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 2: the same amount or less. Everything is spellchecked, Fred, and
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 2: I proofread it.
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 1: Did he write it in that angry tone?
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 6: I just can't imagine anybody thinks that Phil Perry and
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 6: Tom Caron are negative.
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 1: I just can't.
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 2: They're really... What do you know about the numbers?
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 1: Because it has to do with uniforms. I think Reese, yeah,
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 1: Reese put some out. Evan's in the locker room now,
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 1: so they'll be... You should have them all. They should
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 1: all be out within... I know Reese already tweeted out
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 1: some of the new guys. I don't know if Eli did.
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 1: I thought Nine was the new running back, maybe. But yeah,
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 1: check Reese's Twitter. They'll all be out this afternoon.
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 2: Okay, and for us, we will be back on Tuesday.
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 2: I mean Thursday.
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 1: God. Yeah.
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 2: When is Catch-22 this week? I have no idea.
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 1: I believe it's tomorrow.
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 2: Tomorrow?
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 2: What time?
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 1: 10 to 12, I think.
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 2: 10 to 12.
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 2: Catch-22 tomorrow.
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 4: Why is it not 12 to 2?
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 3: Barth has a commitment.
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Barth is really being a diva.
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 6: When do we just allow Barth to just control.
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 4: The whole schedule?
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, he's half a Catch-22. If it's not for him,
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 2: it's just Catch-11. Yeah.
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 1: That's only half the field.
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 4: I didn't even know I was setting them up. That
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 4: was good.
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 2: All right. We will see you Thursday.
• 2:00:12
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  Speaker 4: Thanks a lot.