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Sharri | 27 February · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News This is Sharry.
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Speaker 2: Good Evening Tonight, Scott Morrison accuses the Albanesi government of
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Speaker 2: appeasing China. He asks if the Prime Minister is making
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Speaker 2: excuses for Beijing or.
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Speaker 3: Just isn't across the detail.
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Speaker 2: That exclusive in a moment, plus the proof that Albanezi
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Speaker 2: is behind the smear campaign on Peter Dutton. How an
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Speaker 2: extraordinary admission live on air exposed the labor dirt Unit
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Speaker 2: and Tony Burke goes into hiding to avoid answering questions
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Speaker 2: about the Australians attending the funeral of terror leader Hassan Nasrala.
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Speaker 2: Dave Sharma says some of them shouldn't be allowed home.
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Speaker 2: That's all coming up but first tonight, Scott Morrison has
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Speaker 2: accused the Albanese government of acquiescing to China, warning the
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Speaker 2: live fire drill in the Tasman sy should serve as
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Speaker 2: a wake up call. The former Prime Minister, who saw
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Speaker 2: China's bullying tactics up close, has also questioned whether Anthony
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Speaker 2: Alberizi was making excuses for China or just not across
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Speaker 2: the detail. This after Albanzi falsely claimed that Australia had
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Speaker 2: been notified before Beijing's weapons exercises in fact defense of
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Speaker 2: visuals have now confirmed. The warning came through ninety minutes
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Speaker 2: after the exercises began. Well, I spoke with Scott Morrison
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Speaker 2: today and he told me how China had tried to
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Speaker 2: bully him bully as Prime minister. He said, whether the
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Speaker 2: government was making excuses for them or weren't across the detail,
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Speaker 2: I'm not in a position to know, but I don't
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Speaker 2: think either is a very reassuring response. This is another
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Speaker 2: wake up call of the folly of thinking or hoping
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Speaker 2: the Chinese government is anything different to what they are,
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Speaker 2: a direct security threat to our region where they seek
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Speaker 2: hegemony in Australia and complete dominance of the Indo Pacific theater.
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Speaker 2: Morrison also accused the Albaneze government of acquiescing to China.
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Speaker 2: Is that no amount of appeasement, acquiescence or engagement alters
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Speaker 2: that strategy, and they will seek to go where they want,
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Speaker 2: when they want, and do whatever they want. They try
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Speaker 2: to charm this government and have had some success, but
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Speaker 2: despite the more amicable tone, the Chinese government still turns
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Speaker 2: up and engages in this threatening behavior.
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Speaker 3: Regardless of how many times.
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Speaker 2: People have been to Beijing, and my full interview with
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Speaker 2: Scott Morrison is on the sky Neese website.
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Speaker 3: You can read it there.
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Speaker 2: But Scott Morrison is someone who is clear right about
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Speaker 2: the threat that China poses and all of our enemies.
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Speaker 2: It's the moral clarity when not seeing from the Albanese government.
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Speaker 2: The Prime Minister has basically covered up for Chinese aggression
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Speaker 2: against our own country, while Penny Wong is meeting with
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Speaker 2: the evil Iranian regime and the Palestinian leadership, but not Israel.
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Speaker 2: This government is prioritizing our enemies who don't share our values,
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Speaker 2: who want to destroy us, instead of our long standing
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Speaker 2: strategic allies. I mean, we may as well have the
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Speaker 2: Greens in charge of national security. Albanesi is so subservient
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Speaker 2: to the Chinese dictatorship that he actually sought to defend
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Speaker 2: them while Beijing was intimidating Australia.
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Speaker 4: Well.
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Speaker 5: China issued, in accordance with practice, an alert that it
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Speaker 5: would be conducting these activities, including the potential use of
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Speaker 5: live fire. It is the case that the notice was given.
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Speaker 5: When that occurs, airlines are notified and stay out of
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Speaker 5: the area.
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Speaker 2: False false false airlines were not notified, notice was not given.
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Speaker 3: The Chief of the Defense False.
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Speaker 2: David Johnston, has revealed that Australia only was notified from
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Speaker 2: New Zealand about the live weapons drill at eleven am
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Speaker 2: last Friday.
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Speaker 6: We received at eleven zero one of the morning said
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Speaker 6: that is approximately fifty minutes or somewhat less than an
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Speaker 6: hour since that advice came to us from Air Services, and.
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Speaker 2: The Defense chief also says it's possible a Chinese nuclear
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Speaker 2: powered submarine is underneath the Chinese warship flotilla. This is
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Speaker 2: extremely aggressive and threatening conduct from the communist regime. The
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Speaker 2: Abenezy government has had all of the excuses over this today,
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Speaker 2: but every single one inadequate. The cover up for a
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Speaker 2: hostile regime intimidating Australia is utterly extraordinary, and the Coalition
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Speaker 2: has called for Albanesi to apologize for misleading the public.
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Speaker 7: I think the Prime Minister is either confused, he's mixed
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Speaker 7: up in his details, or he's mislad and whatever it is,
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Speaker 7: I think he needs to stand up and say, look,
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Speaker 7: I got it wrong. I misunderstood the briefing that I had.
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Speaker 2: This is another indication of Albanese's lack of integrity and
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Speaker 2: it will contribute to the trust deficit in his leadership.
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Speaker 3: But a far greater concern is how.
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Speaker 2: Australia is now exposed on national security. There could have
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Speaker 2: been a major incident if one of the flights, God
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Speaker 2: Forbid were shot down by China in a live weapons exercise.
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Speaker 2: But this also sends a lackluster message to President She
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Speaker 2: about Australia's strength or lack there of it in protecting
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Speaker 2: our national interest and our sovereignty, and Albanesi's weakness has
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Speaker 2: only been superseded by that of his Foreign Minister, Penny Wog.
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Speaker 2: We learned in The Australian Today, thanks to revelations by
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Speaker 2: journalist Noah Yim, that Wang failed to meet any Israeli
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Speaker 2: representatives on her trip to the YUN General Assembly back
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Speaker 2: in September. But she did meet with the Uranian Foreign
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Speaker 2: Minister Abbas Aragachi. As you know, Iran once the West
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Speaker 2: destroyed and has been funding terror groups Hamas and Hezbelah,
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Speaker 2: but he didn't stop there. Pennywog also met with the
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Speaker 2: West Bank Palestinian Authority Prime Minister Muhammad was Staffa, and
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Speaker 2: on social media Pennywong said that they spoke about her
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Speaker 2: commitment to advancing the Palestinian people's legitimate aspiration to self determination.
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Speaker 2: Wong then met with the Lebanese Foreign Minister Habib, where
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Speaker 2: she gave two million dollars in our taxpayer money and
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Speaker 2: said we want to see a ceasefire in Lebanon as
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Speaker 2: well as in.
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Speaker 3: Gaza, a ceasefire and.
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Speaker 2: Knowing Yim reports that she also attended a ministerial meeting
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Speaker 2: hosted by Unrah. As you know, UNRA has links to terrorism,
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Speaker 2: and while Pennywong met with our enemies, she demanded Israel
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Speaker 2: stop its military action against the terror groups Hermas and Hezbelah,
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Speaker 2: and she pushed for a Palestinian state despite the fact
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Speaker 2: her MUSS is still the governing body in Gaza.
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Speaker 8: So Australia no longer sees Palestinian recognition as the destination
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Speaker 8: of a peace process, but a contribution towards momentum. Momentum
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Speaker 8: towards peace. Australia wants to engage on new ways to
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Speaker 8: build momentum, including the role of the Security Council and
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Speaker 8: setting a pathway for two states with a clear timeline
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Speaker 8: for the international declaration of Palestinian statehood.
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Speaker 2: Shadow Foreign Affairs Minister David Coleman said Penny Wong had
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Speaker 2: shamefully abandoned our long standing democratic ally.
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Speaker 9: The Prime Minister was there, no doubt there were other
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Speaker 9: Israeli officials there. She could have met with them, she didn't,
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Speaker 9: and I think that's consistent with the Foreign Minister's approach
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Speaker 9: on this issue overall. She has shamefully abandoned Israel in
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Speaker 9: pursuit of a few votes in inner city contests against
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Speaker 9: the Greens.
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Speaker 1: It is utterly wrong.
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Speaker 2: So we have both alban Easy and Penny Wong prioritizing
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Speaker 2: Australia's enemies hostile nations over our allies. How morally confused,
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Speaker 2: How treacherous for Penniwong to meet with the Palestinian authority
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Speaker 2: which has supported the October seven attacks, and Iran, which
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Speaker 2: is part of the Axis of evil. At the same time,
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Speaker 2: she's alienated our traditional strategic ally, Israel that shares our
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Speaker 2: values of freedom, democracy and peace. And Israel of course
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Speaker 2: also promotes equal rights for women for the LGBTQI community
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Speaker 2: and embraces religious diversity. And if our Prime Minister can't
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Speaker 2: find the muscle to call out Chinese warships, then he
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Speaker 2: has serious questions to answer about his own loyalties and
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Speaker 2: where they lie, because at the moment he's looking more
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Speaker 2: and more like an old lefty Chinese apologist. Now, a
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Speaker 2: senior Labor politician has explosively revealed that the Prime Minister's
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Speaker 2: office was behind the smear campaign on Peter Dutton. Well
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Speaker 2: Albanezi sent out Andrew Charlton on the ABC last night
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Speaker 2: to he get stuck into Dutton to really make the
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Speaker 2: case about just how bad his purchase of shares were
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Speaker 2: during the Global Financial Crisis. Now, Charlton was chosen to
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Speaker 2: prosecute Labour's case because during the GFC he was Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister Kevin Rudd's top economics advisor. He was one of
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Speaker 2: the architects of Australia's economics response to that crisis and
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Speaker 2: our stimulus package. And Charlton was doing a pretty convincing
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Speaker 2: job last night on behalf of Labor, claiming Dutton had
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Speaker 2: a lot to answer.
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Speaker 10: My jaw fell to the floor. Why Because I was there.
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Speaker 11: I was there at that time, and I saw the
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Speaker 11: Australian economy on fire. I saw the Australian share market
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Speaker 11: fall by more than sixty percent, destroying wealth for millions
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Speaker 11: of Australians and most importantly, I saw every Australian political leader,
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Speaker 11: the government, the opposite, public servants working every single day
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Speaker 11: tirelessly to save Australia and save Australians. But what we
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Speaker 11: now know is that there was one political leader who
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Speaker 11: was not focused on the national interest. That political leader
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Speaker 11: was focused on his own financial interest.
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Speaker 2: And he continued to mount the case against Dutton's purchase
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Speaker 2: of Bangsches in two thousand and nine. But then six
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Speaker 2: minutes into the interview, Sarah Ferguson asked Andrew Charlton how
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Speaker 2: long he'd known about Dutton's share buy app four. Now,
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Speaker 2: when you watch this clip, remember that Alban Eazy pretended
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Speaker 2: he knew nothing about this when he was asked yesterday.
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Speaker 2: And Charlton, who is a regular on this program, well,
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Speaker 2: he has too much integrity to lie, and so he
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Speaker 2: didn't say like.
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Speaker 3: The others would have. Voh, I just read about it.
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Speaker 2: I learned about it in the media, he said, Actually,
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Speaker 2: this came from the Prime Minister's Let's have a look.
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Speaker 12: You said earlier on that your jaw dropped when you
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Speaker 12: learned this piece of information. When did you learn it?
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Speaker 11: I learned it when I saw the information that had
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Speaker 11: come out that had come out in relation to his
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Speaker 11: register of interest You mean this week?
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Speaker 10: No, before this week.
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Speaker 11: I was made aware of it by whom by the
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Speaker 11: Prime Minister's office, who had been looking at it.
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Speaker 12: So how long had the Prime Minister's office been looking
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Speaker 12: at it?
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Speaker 11: I don't know the answer to that question. But what
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Speaker 11: I do know is that Peter Dutton has built his
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Speaker 11: Prime minister his Opposition leadership of accusations and criticism, and
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Speaker 11: now for the first time he is getting those questions
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Speaker 11: coming at him and he's unable to answer them.
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Speaker 2: Sarah Ferguson is the ABC's best political interviewer by a mile.
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Speaker 2: She can be brutal and terrifying and she didn't let
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Speaker 2: this go.
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Speaker 12: What you're saying is the government had access to this information,
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Speaker 12: was in possession of that, Anthony ALBERANIZI was in possession
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Speaker 12: of this information before it was before it appeared in
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Speaker 12: the media.
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Speaker 10: Absolutely.
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Speaker 11: I mean it is the government's job at a time
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Speaker 11: when we're all looking at register of members' interests to
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Speaker 11: look at this information.
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Speaker 12: Does that suggest that this is, as the Opposition says,
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Speaker 12: an attempt to slur Peter Dutton, Because clearly, when the
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Speaker 12: government had the information. They didn't release it straight away.
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Speaker 12: If it was of such enormous ethical importance, as you suggest,
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Speaker 12: why not release it that day? Why save it up?
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Speaker 10: I'm not sure it was saved up at all. I
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Speaker 10: think it was released promptly.
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Speaker 12: Well, how promptly? When did you become aware of it.
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Speaker 10: Reasonably shortly before it was made available?
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Speaker 2: Maybe?
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Speaker 12: I'm sorry, I'm sorry, mister Chelton, but what's reasonably?
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Speaker 10: So very happy to answer this question, it been a
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Speaker 10: matter of days or weeks.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, days or weeks, so as long ago as seven days.
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Speaker 10: Ago, could have been more than seven days ago, yet
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Speaker 10: more than.
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Speaker 12: Seven days ago. So the government has been sitting on
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Speaker 12: this piece of information for at least a week, but
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Speaker 12: could be more.
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Speaker 11: I'm not sure the government was sitting on it. I'm
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Speaker 11: not sure how their information flowed, but certainly this was
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Speaker 11: something that we were all looking out in relation to
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Speaker 11: the members interests.
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Speaker 3: This is extraordinary.
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Speaker 2: You never see anything like this a government politician, a
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Speaker 2: senior one, saying publicly on national television that the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister has had his offers digging up dirt on the
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Speaker 2: opposition leader and was sitting on it and waiting for
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Speaker 2: the opportune time.
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Speaker 3: Politically to release it.
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Speaker 2: I mean, this sort of revelation has simply never happened before.
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Speaker 2: It is massive, and Sarah Ferguson knew that, and she
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Speaker 2: kept going.
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Speaker 12: But doesn't the government also have questions to answer about
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Speaker 12: the way it handles information, the way it handles itself.
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Speaker 12: How long have they been sitting on this information about
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Speaker 12: Peter Dutton, choosing a moment to release it that, presumably,
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Speaker 12: in their view, is the most destructive it can be
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Speaker 12: for the leader of the opposition.
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Speaker 10: I'm not sure that's the case at all, Sarah.
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Speaker 11: I'm honestly not sure that this is a case of
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Speaker 11: the government sitting on information at all. I mean, if
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Speaker 11: it's a matter of seven days, of course this information
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Speaker 11: deserves scrutiny.
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Speaker 12: The only thing I would say is that, on the
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Speaker 12: face of it, it's a relatively simple It's a relatively
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Speaker 12: simple set of questions. There's a series of updates to
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Speaker 12: his share registry. There's not a great deal of checking
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Speaker 12: that needs to go on, So why hang on to it.
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Speaker 10: I'm not sure it was hung on too for a
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Speaker 10: long time. Sarah. I'm not sure that's the case at all.
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Speaker 12: We'll put that question to the Prime Minister. I wonder
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Speaker 12: does this series of questions posed to Peter Dutton in
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Speaker 12: this way with a delay suggests that there's a dirty
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Speaker 12: campaign coming.
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Speaker 11: I'm not sure there was a delay of consequence, Sarah,
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Speaker 11: as you suggested in relation to timing. I think it's
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Speaker 11: this information that needs to be carefully checked.
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Speaker 2: Now, Sarah Ferguson had spent the first six minutes of
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Speaker 2: the interview drilling into the claims against Dutton, and the
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Speaker 2: next half and obtaining an admission about Labour's dirt unit
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Speaker 2: and proof that Labour sat on this until it could
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Speaker 2: damage Dutton the most. Now, this revelation was devastating for
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Speaker 2: alb and Easy and you can only imagine how angry
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister would have been at the honesty, the
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Speaker 2: honesty of one of his own politicians, because just a
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Speaker 2: day earlier Albanesi had tried to distance himself from this
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Speaker 2: grubby political attack.
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Speaker 13: Prime Minister, what's wrong with Dutton making money out of property?
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Speaker 9: Haven't you as well?
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Speaker 5: I make no comment about Peter Dutton's matters that to
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Speaker 5: matter for him.
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Speaker 14: The Prime Minister today done quite an extensive property investment,
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Speaker 14: for as his use of the use of the trust fund.
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Speaker 10: Past the pop test.
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Speaker 5: It's a matter for.
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Speaker 2: Peter Dutton, yep, matter for him, nothing to do with me. Well,
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Speaker 2: I told you last night that alber Ezi was behind
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Speaker 2: these attacks, that Labour's research unit is the most sophisticated
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Speaker 2: in the Canberra Press gallery. It's been behind many attacks
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Speaker 2: on liberals. But these stories on Dutton only emerged after
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Speaker 2: Albanzi was asked this question on Friday.
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Speaker 15: You got a lot of flack, possibly unfair so on
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Speaker 15: buying a lovely new home in Copa Gamana.
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Speaker 10: I've never heard you explain before.
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Speaker 3: Are you negatively gearing it?
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Speaker 5: Seriously, I'll swap my property portfolio with Peter's.
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Speaker 2: Now we still don't know the full story about whether
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Speaker 2: Albanesi has negatively geared his rental properties. Now, that's not
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Speaker 2: a big deal to any of us, but Labor despises
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Speaker 2: negative gearing. They've been wanting to kill it off for years.
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Speaker 2: So for Albanzi, his base would hate it.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: The Prime Minister is a political animal. He wouldn't think
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Speaker 2: twice of having a taxpayer funded dirt unit dig up
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Speaker 2: rumors about Peter Dutton's life. It's why it's so laughable
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Speaker 2: that Albanezi promised integrity in public office. He promised to
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Speaker 2: do politics differently and that was never going to happen
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Speaker 2: because remember he's the guy whose ambition wasn't to lead
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Speaker 2: Australia but to beat the Tories.
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Speaker 5: I like fighting Tories.
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Speaker 10: That's what I do. That's what I do.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: Shadow Home Affairs Minister James Patterson today said Albanese should
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Speaker 2: give a full explanation for how he's been misusing taxpayer
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Speaker 2: funds to investigate Peter Dutton.
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Speaker 4: The Prime Minister should explain today when he first instructed
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Speaker 4: his staff to engage in this dirt digging exercise, whether
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Speaker 4: he thinks's appropriate that they've been spending their time on
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Speaker 4: these activities, how much taxpayers money has been spent digging
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Speaker 4: dirt on the opposition later, and whether or not he'll
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Speaker 4: promise to engage in a clean campaign from here on
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Speaker 4: out and actually talk about his own record over the
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Speaker 4: last three years and his own plans for the future
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Speaker 4: of Australia.
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Speaker 2: So Patterson there says that Albanize should talk about his
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Speaker 2: plans for the future of Australia. But Albaneze, he can't
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Speaker 2: articulate this vision for the nation because he doesn't have one.
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Speaker 2: He never had one. He never expected to become the
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Speaker 2: leader of our country, and now that he is, he flounders.
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Speaker 2: At every point when Australia has cried out for leadership,
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Speaker 2: he's been absent. He lacks the resolve, the conviction, the values,
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Speaker 2: or the moral fortitude to govern as.
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Speaker 3: Our nation demands.
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Speaker 2: The only thing Albaneze can rely on to try and
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Speaker 2: win the next election is a tax on Peter Dutton,
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Speaker 2: trying to turn him into a villain like he did
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Speaker 2: with Scott Morrison. This is the low cynical politics we
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Speaker 2: can expect as the election looms. But at least it's
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Speaker 2: out in the open now thanks to the honesty and integrity.
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Speaker 3: Of Andrew Charlton.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's bring in now National Senator Matt Canavan
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Speaker 2: and former Labor Minister Graham Richardson. Well, Matt, this was
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Speaker 2: an extraordinary admission from a Labor MP.
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 16: Look, who would have thought there's an must be down
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Speaker 16: there in Canberra. I don't think there's too many of them.
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Speaker 16: I I try and do that, but look it's blowing
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Speaker 16: out exposed the whole Labor Party campaign here this week.
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Speaker 1: Look this sort of stuff goes on.
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Speaker 16: Of course, none of us are are immune to that,
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Speaker 16: or not even enough not to think it happens. I
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Speaker 16: think what it really is the major issue here is,
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Speaker 16: time and time again, the Prime Minister just look shifty.
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Speaker 16: He can't find a way it's okay not maybe reveal
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Speaker 16: all the details, but not.
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Speaker 1: Not look like he's just got something to hide.
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Speaker 16: We see that on the Chinese live fire drills this
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Speaker 16: week where he's been all over the place. We've seen
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Speaker 16: it on the caravan dural that nearly and faithfully didn't
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Speaker 16: cause massive devastation.
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Speaker 1: And here too.
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Speaker 16: You know, as I say, you know, sure politicians dig
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Speaker 16: and throw mud from time to time, they do that,
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Speaker 16: and then the Prime Minister trying to say no, it's
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Speaker 16: not me.
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Speaker 1: I'm distant from that.
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Speaker 16: You know, it just undermines his own credibility more than
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Speaker 16: perhaps just being a little bit more honest, maybe not
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Speaker 16: was fulsome a little more honest like Andrew Charlton was.
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Speaker 2: Richard, you're obviously good mates with a prime minister. I mean,
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Speaker 2: he would have been absolutely furious, would he have what
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Speaker 2: would he have done or do you know did he
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Speaker 2: blow up at Andrew Charlton.
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Speaker 17: I don't think he'd have been too happy, but I
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Speaker 17: don't think he'd blow up. It's it's not that big
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Speaker 17: a deal. I've been listening to all of this and
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Speaker 17: we really are pumping this up into something that just
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Speaker 17: isn't This is a very small incident and it'll be
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Speaker 17: forgotten next week.
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Speaker 3: I don't know about that. It's not going to be forgotten.
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Speaker 2: This revelation that Labor has a dirt unit that's digging
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Speaker 2: up dirt on dutt and every time there's an attack. Now,
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Speaker 2: this is what Peter Dunnan is going to come, come up,
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Speaker 2: come back with everybody. You were using taxpayer funds to
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Speaker 2: dig up dirt on me during theody.
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Speaker 17: He knew that unit existed. It was not a secret,
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Speaker 17: never has been. So there's idea old shock horror they've
22:03
Speaker 17: got this unit. When I learn a rubbish they all knew.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well we know because where you know.
22:08
Speaker 2: I'm a journalist, I know how good the unit is,
22:11
Speaker 2: best in the business, but not everyone knows about it.
22:14
Speaker 3: Now have a look at this.
22:15
Speaker 2: Speaking of Albanezi, Now we wouldn't normally talk about dramas
22:18
Speaker 2: that go on in the FM radio world, but the
22:22
Speaker 2: Prime Minister today weighed in on this Maddie sheer Gold drama.
22:26
Speaker 3: The former Triple M host.
22:27
Speaker 2: He made inappropriate comments about women's soccer and the Matildas.
22:32
Speaker 2: But why I want to talk about it is because
22:34
Speaker 2: I can't notice how fired up Albanezy was on this
22:37
Speaker 2: and he went a lot harder on this issue than
22:40
Speaker 2: he has on the Australians that flew to Lebanon to
22:44
Speaker 2: mourn a dead terrorist leader.
22:46
Speaker 5: Have a look completely unacceptable. The Tillies are just legends.
22:52
Speaker 5: Women's and girls sport has been a revolution in my lifetime.
22:56
Speaker 5: He also made some comments as well about endo, yeah
23:00
Speaker 5: being real. You know, we need to respect each other
23:04
Speaker 5: and disrespecting more than half the population is not on
23:09
Speaker 5: a share does his job and scrutinizes intelligence issues on
23:13
Speaker 5: behalf of Australia.
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Speaker 2: Matt Canavan, I mean, is the Prime Minister actually capable
23:19
Speaker 2: of speaking about national security matters in a way that
23:23
Speaker 2: indicates he cares about it?
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Speaker 16: Look, he does seem to be pretty fine up about
23:29
Speaker 16: this incident. I mean, I saw the Prime Minister just
23:31
Speaker 16: a couple of weeks ago, I think, on the front
23:33
Speaker 16: page of a major newspaper saying he wasn't work he's
23:37
Speaker 16: not a white guy. But then he's doubling down this
23:40
Speaker 16: sort of cancel culture. And look, I don't know, I
23:42
Speaker 16: didn't see everything that was he a comedian or DJ said,
23:46
Speaker 16: and it might have been a bit rebaled, but I'm
23:48
Speaker 16: not into this cancel culture.
23:50
Speaker 1: And look, who really cares? Why isn't the.
23:53
Speaker 16: Primeister focusing on things that are much more important to
23:55
Speaker 16: people instead of trying to police the speech of shop
23:58
Speaker 16: job radio star on FM radio. I mean, look, look
24:01
Speaker 16: what are the FM radio states said? He goes on
24:03
Speaker 16: these shows. He goes on shows with one of the
24:05
Speaker 16: most crude things it said, But look, who cares? Focus
24:09
Speaker 16: on your job? And he just doesn't seem to have
24:12
Speaker 16: that focus right now. And that's a bit concerning for
24:14
Speaker 16: all the strains because we do face very serious issues
24:17
Speaker 16: at the kitchen table for everybody with.
24:19
Speaker 1: Their cost of living and of course with the.
24:21
Speaker 16: Geopolitical threats, to the threats of Chinese ships running down
24:24
Speaker 16: our coast and firing off, and the Prime Minister seems
24:27
Speaker 16: to know more about what an FM shop jock is
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Speaker 16: saying than what the Chinese navy are doing off our shows.
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Speaker 2: Such an excellent point, but also the point you just
24:35
Speaker 2: made their Matt that he's very comfortable going on. You
24:37
Speaker 2: were talking about Kyle and Jackio. That's what you're implying,
24:40
Speaker 2: very comfortable going on Kyle and Jackio's show. Kyle regularly
24:44
Speaker 2: says far worse things. I don't mind it, it doesn't
24:47
Speaker 2: offend me. But he says far worse things, more offensive things,
24:52
Speaker 2: and yet he went to Kyle's wedding.
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Speaker 3: Albo.
24:55
Speaker 2: You know they're good mates. Kyle will probably go to
24:57
Speaker 2: his wedding. I mean, it's the hypocrisy of it, Richro.
25:00
Speaker 2: But back to the weakness of Albineze's response that he
25:04
Speaker 2: couldn't strongly call out the fact that Australians are flying
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Speaker 2: to Lebanon to go to Hassan Nasrala's funeral. This has
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Speaker 2: been our revelation over the past two nights.
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Speaker 11: Well.
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Speaker 17: The fact that there are some Australians who would do
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Speaker 17: that is hardly a shock. I mean, we've known about
25:21
Speaker 17: the people here supporting Hamas, supporting Azbalah. We have demonstrations
25:26
Speaker 17: where they do it. It's not a shock. I mean,
25:29
Speaker 17: it's something we all know about now. I think that
25:32
Speaker 17: it's a pretty grubby exercise to support grubs like that.
25:36
Speaker 17: I just I don't understand it and I never will.
25:40
Speaker 17: But there's no question about where Elbow's heart and soul lies,
25:45
Speaker 17: and Elbow's heart and soul lies in looking after Australians.
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Speaker 2: All right, well we have to differ on that point.
25:53
Speaker 2: But very quick prediction from you, guys. We're out of time, Richro,
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Speaker 2: you think the election is going to be called this weekend?
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Speaker 17: I think this weekend or the weekend after, but probably
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Speaker 17: just favor this weekend.
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Speaker 3: And what about you, Matt?
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Speaker 16: Yeah, our voice Sotay's going to hold on. I think
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Speaker 16: he's very indecisive at the moment, so we'll wait and see.
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Speaker 1: Everyone does seem to think this weekend, so I might
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Speaker 1: be wrong.
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Speaker 2: There you go, all right, rich O Matt Canavan, thank
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Speaker 2: you both so much.
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Speaker 17: Thanks.
26:20
Speaker 2: All right, well, let's return to Labour's don't unit, and
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Speaker 2: I'm joined now by The Australian's chief political correspondent Jeff Chambers.
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Speaker 3: Jeff, great to see you. Now.
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Speaker 2: Normally the government would wait to release dirt like they
26:34
Speaker 2: have on Dutton's Shares until the start of the election campaign.
26:39
Speaker 3: They've done it ahead of the election campaign.
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Speaker 2: Does this give you any indication about when the election
26:43
Speaker 2: will be called?
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Speaker 16: Oh?
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Speaker 15: Hi, Sharry, I think there's been a lot of indications,
26:50
Speaker 15: but what we're seeing with this dirt unit material and
26:54
Speaker 15: the early release of it is they're trying to obviously
26:56
Speaker 15: frame up Peter Dutton because they're pretty desperate. They're really
27:00
Speaker 15: struggling to cut through on whether it be childcare, eight
27:04
Speaker 15: point five billion dollars for medicare, tens of billions of
27:08
Speaker 15: dollars for infrastructure projects and all since a pseudo election
27:12
Speaker 15: campaign was launched by the Prime Minister in January, and
27:16
Speaker 15: we're now seeing them trying to sort of in that
27:18
Speaker 15: position frame up Peter Dutton because they're under maximum pressure.
27:23
Speaker 15: So they're now shifting to playing the man.
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Speaker 6: Now.
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Speaker 15: I heard you talking to the other guys there about
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Speaker 15: election timing. My mail has been pretty consistent on this
27:34
Speaker 15: and the consensus is landing pretty firmly on April twelve,
27:40
Speaker 15: So that would mean not this weekend.
27:42
Speaker 1: That means that immediately.
27:44
Speaker 15: After the March eighth Western Australia state election, you could
27:48
Speaker 15: expect the Prime Minister to head to Yarralumla. But another
27:53
Speaker 15: interesting fact is on Sunday, March to the Prime Minister
27:58
Speaker 15: and his Treasurer Jim Chalmers share of birthday so sixty
28:02
Speaker 15: two and forty seven, and I heard the Prime Minister
28:05
Speaker 15: on commercial radio this morning, getting asked will he call
28:08
Speaker 15: it on the weekend, and he said it's my birthday on.
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Speaker 2: Sunday, meaning no, not going to call it on his birthday.
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Speaker 12: No.
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Speaker 2: I think it does make sense, as you say, and
28:18
Speaker 2: I've heard it as well, that he'll wait until the
28:20
Speaker 2: Wa state election and then call it afterwards, maybe that
28:24
Speaker 2: Sunday the ninth. By the way, for what it's worth,
28:27
Speaker 2: my birthdays March the eighth, So a lot of birthdays
28:30
Speaker 2: at least in politics at this time of year. But
28:34
Speaker 2: we do keep hearing rumors that it could be this weekend.
28:38
Speaker 2: I suppose we're in that election speculation fever at the
28:42
Speaker 2: moment now, Jeff, you also wrote this week about Trump's
28:45
Speaker 2: tariffs on Australia and how you know we're nearing the
28:49
Speaker 2: deadline when Australia has to get the reprieve. The treasure
28:54
Speaker 2: is over there in Washington at the moment trying to
28:57
Speaker 2: negotiate that exemption. The Coalition government both under Malcolm Turnberlin
29:02
Speaker 2: Scott Morrison, were able to achieve exemptions from previous rounds
29:06
Speaker 2: of tariffs. So there's a pattern to this. But this
29:10
Speaker 2: ultimately now comes down into the relationship that the Albanezy
29:14
Speaker 2: government has with key figures in the Trump administration, doesn't it.
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Speaker 15: Yeah, And I think the other point is this second
29:21
Speaker 15: administration is much more hard line in terms of their positions.
29:26
Speaker 15: And Howard Lutnik, who's the newly minted US Commerce Secretary,
29:32
Speaker 15: he's very very strong on tariffs and his position is
29:36
Speaker 15: he doesn't want to give anyone exemptions. So there have
29:39
Speaker 15: been multiple conversations, including with the Prime Minister and Donald Trump.
29:44
Speaker 15: But we have got that March twelve deadline looming large
29:48
Speaker 15: and if we were to see an election called around
29:51
Speaker 15: March nine, we're heading into that space. And the other
29:54
Speaker 15: real concern and we've seen it with Copper this week,
29:58
Speaker 15: is that the government here in Australia, they've got steel
30:01
Speaker 15: and ALU medium to worry about, but there's real deep
30:03
Speaker 15: concerns that the Trump administration are actually broaden it across
30:07
Speaker 15: the board to other products. So yeah, I think it's
30:10
Speaker 15: a bit more difficult than the deals are. Turnbull and
30:14
Speaker 15: Morrison struck, but you're right they did have much deeper
30:17
Speaker 15: personal relationships with the President.
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Speaker 3: Indeed.
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Speaker 2: All right, Jeff Chambers, thank you so much, and we
30:23
Speaker 2: will continue to read your insight for reporting.
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Speaker 3: Appreciate your time. And by the way, just on the
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Speaker 3: election date.
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Speaker 2: It also could be the fifth of April, because the
30:31
Speaker 2: April twelve is the start of Passover and there is
30:34
Speaker 2: a concern that that might not be the best date
30:36
Speaker 2: to have the election. Now still to come the heartbreaking
30:40
Speaker 2: moments from Yard and Bibas's eulogy, and Israeli Major General
30:44
Speaker 2: will be.
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Speaker 3: On set to discuss.
30:46
Speaker 2: But first, why is Tony Burkin hiding over the Australians
30:50
Speaker 2: attending a terror leader's funeral? Dave Sharma will get stuck
30:53
Speaker 2: in after this break.
30:58
Speaker 3: Welcome back.
30:59
Speaker 2: Well, let's return to Pennywog snubbing Israel will still making
31:02
Speaker 2: the time to meet with Iran and the Palestinian authority.
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Speaker 2: I spoke about it with Liberal Senator Dave Sharma a
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Speaker 2: little earlier.
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Speaker 3: Dave Sharma, great to see you again.
31:14
Speaker 2: Look what was your reaction when you were able to confirm,
31:19
Speaker 2: under your excellent interrogation that Pennywog hadn't met with any
31:23
Speaker 2: Israeli officials at all, but yet had met with the
31:26
Speaker 2: Iranian Foreign Minister, the Palestinian West Bank Prime Minister and others.
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Speaker 18: Well, I was staggered and bear in mind sharing. This
31:36
Speaker 18: is a foreign minister who talks about Israel more than
31:39
Speaker 18: she does almost any other topic. She's almost obsessed with
31:43
Speaker 18: the Middle East and Israel's behavior. So you would think
31:46
Speaker 18: when she's going to the UN, when she's changing our
31:49
Speaker 18: votes on a number of UN resolutions, when she's giving
31:51
Speaker 18: a speech at the UN which is almost entirely focused
31:54
Speaker 18: on the Israeli Aram conflict, she would bother to seek
31:58
Speaker 18: out an Israeli counterparton have a discussion with him. But
32:01
Speaker 18: instead she meets the Iranian foreign minister, she meets the
32:03
Speaker 18: Jordanian foreign minister, she meets the Lebanese foreign minister. She
32:08
Speaker 18: goes to dinners about the two state solution and advancing
32:11
Speaker 18: the peace process, where there is not even a single
32:13
Speaker 18: Israeli representative present. I just find it staggering. It shows
32:17
Speaker 18: you that a lot of this government's activism, if you like,
32:21
Speaker 18: in this space is not actually about achieving results on
32:24
Speaker 18: the ground. It's about messaging to a domestic audience here
32:27
Speaker 18: in Australia.
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Speaker 2: Do you think it's got to the point where it's
32:31
Speaker 2: bordering on treachery or disloyalty. I mean, it seems to
32:36
Speaker 2: be treating Australia's enemies who don't share our values of
32:40
Speaker 2: freedom and democracy. Treating those enemies better, then she's treating
32:45
Speaker 2: us strategic and long term meant to be bipartisan allies.
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Speaker 1: Well, that's right.
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Speaker 18: I mean, Israel is a longstanding friend and partner of
32:56
Speaker 18: Australia and I would say it's still one of the
32:59
Speaker 18: most important relationships we have on any metric in the
33:02
Speaker 18: Middle East for looking out for Australian interests.
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Speaker 8: So even on the.
33:07
Speaker 18: Coldhearted national interest calculations, this is an important relationship. But
33:12
Speaker 18: what we have seen this government, this Labor government do
33:15
Speaker 18: time and tom again, Minister Pennywong do time and tom again,
33:18
Speaker 18: is go out of their way to insult Israel, to
33:21
Speaker 18: trash the relationship, whether it's calling in the Israeli ambassador
33:25
Speaker 18: for addressing down by a junior minister, whether it's appointing
33:29
Speaker 18: a former chief of the Defense Force to conduct an
33:32
Speaker 18: investigation then whitewashing the results of that investigation. All we've
33:36
Speaker 18: seen with this government is I think egregious and intentional
33:39
Speaker 18: attempts to damage our relationship with Israel in a way
33:42
Speaker 18: that's fundamentally at odds with our national interests.
33:46
Speaker 2: I want to get you a comment about this scandal
33:48
Speaker 2: over the Chinese warships and the life fire drill exercises.
33:53
Speaker 2: We've heard different versions of events from Alban Easy, from
33:55
Speaker 2: Richard Miles, and from others. Do you think the Prime
33:58
Speaker 2: Minister has misled the public? Do you think he needs
34:01
Speaker 2: to apologize? And again, do you think is not defending
34:05
Speaker 2: our sovereignty and our national interest enough?
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Speaker 18: I think the Prime Minister has misled the public. Whether
34:14
Speaker 18: it was intentionally or out of ignorance, I'm not sure.
34:16
Speaker 18: But I think more importantly, perhaps his government has also
34:20
Speaker 18: let down the public. I mean it has taken US
34:24
Speaker 18: Coalition senators in Senate estimates, asking questions of defense officials,
34:29
Speaker 18: foreign affairs officials and others to piece together exactly what
34:32
Speaker 18: happened and some of the grievous missteps that have taken
34:35
Speaker 18: place along the way. So we've got Anthony Albernezi saying
34:39
Speaker 18: that advanced notification was given of this exercise. No, that
34:43
Speaker 18: was not the case. We did not find out until
34:45
Speaker 18: the exercise was already underway. We've had Richard Marles saying
34:48
Speaker 18: the Australian Defense Force was tracking this Chinese PLA Navy
34:52
Speaker 18: Task Force, the whole time. No, it wasn't. We didn't
34:54
Speaker 18: have eyes and ears on it. We had to rely
34:56
Speaker 18: on a passing virgin aircraft to find out that this
34:59
Speaker 18: life activity commenced. And then we've had Anthony Alberzi refused
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Speaker 18: to say and refuse to confirm that he's even convened
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Speaker 18: a National Security Committee meeting of Cabinet to discuss the
35:09
Speaker 18: implications for Australia. I mean, the important point to note
35:13
Speaker 18: here is no, you know, it's a live fire exercise.
35:16
Speaker 18: Now there's certainly a threat to commercial and civil aviation,
35:20
Speaker 18: but China is testing our response and our resolve here
35:24
Speaker 18: and how we handle incidents like this, and they're trying
35:27
Speaker 18: to set a precedent as well. And the way we
35:29
Speaker 18: have handled this we've failed the test that they've said us.
35:32
Speaker 18: We have basically said, you know, we're not going to
35:35
Speaker 18: keep a very close on you, We're not going to
35:37
Speaker 18: object very strongly when you do this. We're going to
35:39
Speaker 18: make apologies for you, which seems to be what Anthony
35:42
Speaker 18: Alberesi and Richard Marlele seem to be going around and
35:44
Speaker 18: doing all this week, trying to carry the China's brief
35:47
Speaker 18: and explain their actions they should be standing up for
35:50
Speaker 18: Australia and they should be pushing back against what is,
35:53
Speaker 18: on any measure, a provocative and intimid or intimidatory set
35:57
Speaker 18: of exercises by the PLA Navy.
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Speaker 2: I just want to ask you about Tony Burke. He
36:02
Speaker 2: has given inadequate responses. In fact, he's been accused of
36:05
Speaker 2: going into hiding by James Patterson over I've revealed over
36:10
Speaker 2: two nights that Australians have flown to Lebanon to attend
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Speaker 2: the funeral of Hassan Nasralla, the former HESBELA leader, longtime,
36:19
Speaker 2: longtime HESBELA leader. Yet Tony Burke hasn't strongly condemned this,
36:24
Speaker 2: hasn't condemned this at all. He hasn't said whether he's
36:26
Speaker 2: going to investigate, whether these are Australian citizens, whether they
36:30
Speaker 2: hold visas, whether he'll allow them.
36:32
Speaker 3: Back into the country.
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Speaker 2: There are so many questions here, Dave. What are your
36:36
Speaker 2: thoughts on what actions should be taken given we've named
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Speaker 2: and shamed, we've exposed Australians flying to Lebanon to attend
36:45
Speaker 2: the funeral of a terrorist leader.
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Speaker 18: Well, I think certainly, given the level of social unrest
36:54
Speaker 18: and the unprecedented levels of anti semitism we have seen
36:58
Speaker 18: in Australia. We need to be keeping a very close
37:01
Speaker 18: eye on anyone who harbors or has sympathies for, or
37:04
Speaker 18: affections towards a listed terrorist organization like Kesbala and that
37:09
Speaker 18: goes over to mourn the death of a terrorist leader
37:13
Speaker 18: Hassan Australia. I mean that should be an immense concern
37:16
Speaker 18: to anyone involved in our national security. And certainly if
37:20
Speaker 18: people who have gone from Australia are visa holders or residents,
37:24
Speaker 18: if they do not have citizenship, then we should be
37:26
Speaker 18: invoking the character test and others to make sure that
37:29
Speaker 18: they do no longer have visas to enter into Australia.
37:32
Speaker 18: I mean, we have enough problems in Australia with social
37:35
Speaker 18: cohesion as it is at the moment without seeking to
37:38
Speaker 18: further radicalize a population that's here and engage in new
37:42
Speaker 18: and indeed even higher levels of anti Semitism.
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Speaker 3: All right, Dave Sharma, thank you so much for your time.
37:48
Speaker 3: I really appreciate it.
37:51
Speaker 10: Thanks so much, Sherry, And coming.
37:53
Speaker 2: Up after the break, we'll take a look at the
37:55
Speaker 2: heartbreaking eulogy of Yard and Bibas plus Donald Trump z
38:00
Speaker 2: Elon Musk at his first cabinet meeting.
38:02
Speaker 3: Well should he have been there?
38:03
Speaker 2: I'll speak to Adam Crichton about this all coming up
38:07
Speaker 2: on the show.
38:11
Speaker 3: Welcome Back.
38:12
Speaker 19: Well.
38:12
Speaker 2: Just after we went to air last night, Israel was
38:15
Speaker 2: at a standstill as yard In Bibas said farewell to
38:20
Speaker 2: his wife Shiri and their two beautiful boys, Ariel and Kifir.
38:25
Speaker 2: The eulogy was unbearably heartbreaking and sad.
38:28
Speaker 3: Here was his message to his wife Shari, Shari.
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Speaker 14: I love you and will always love you. Shari, you
38:37
Speaker 14: are everything to me. You are the best wife and
38:39
Speaker 14: mother there could be.
38:42
Speaker 2: It was in Hebrews, so of course that's a translation.
38:45
Speaker 2: He also talked about his first child, Ariel, who was
38:49
Speaker 2: just four when.
38:49
Speaker 3: He was kidnapped.
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Speaker 14: Ariel, you made me a father, You transformed us into
38:55
Speaker 14: a family. You taught me what truly matters in life
38:58
Speaker 14: and about responsibility.
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Speaker 2: And then he finally paid respects to his baby Kafir,
39:03
Speaker 2: stolen at just nine months old.
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Speaker 14: Fear, I didn't think our family could be more perfect,
39:11
Speaker 14: and then you came and made it even more perfect.
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Speaker 3: All right?
39:16
Speaker 2: Retired Israeli Major General Noah Tibon joins me now here
39:20
Speaker 2: in Australia.
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Speaker 3: Welcome to the show that was so hard to watch.
39:25
Speaker 3: It was unbearably sad.
39:29
Speaker 2: Yarden's story, the Bibas story has really captured the hearts
39:33
Speaker 2: of all of Israel and everyone came out or stopped
39:36
Speaker 2: what they were doing to watch their eulogy.
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Speaker 19: It's a terrible story all over the world because you know,
39:43
Speaker 19: those a regular family in their house and October seven,
39:50
Speaker 19: their key boots was attacked, they were kidnapped, Sheer and
39:56
Speaker 19: the kids were killed by the animals of Ramas and
40:00
Speaker 19: you are then really suffered many months and I think
40:06
Speaker 19: the Israeli people were united behind this, but I want
40:10
Speaker 19: to remind when we're talking right now, that the Israeli
40:14
Speaker 19: government abandoned them. They can be in a deal Cheri
40:19
Speaker 19: and the kids when they were still alive in October,
40:22
Speaker 19: on the second week of the war, after October seven,
40:25
Speaker 19: there were a Katarian initiative to replace women and children
40:31
Speaker 19: with a female terrorist in the Israeli prisoner and the
40:35
Speaker 19: Israeli government Prime Minister Nathaniel refused to discuss it. And
40:41
Speaker 19: that's why on that day I am very angry on
40:45
Speaker 19: Ramas and this is something we will never ever forgive
40:51
Speaker 19: about Ramas. Cannot control Gaza, those animals. But yes, also
40:56
Speaker 19: the Israeli government this abandoned. This is Nazi is ready DNA.
41:02
Speaker 19: We are not living anyone behind us.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and there are still hostages remaining in Gaza.
41:10
Speaker 3: Just today we had.
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Speaker 2: Four bodies Israeli bodies. Former hostages have been returned. One
41:16
Speaker 2: of them it's Saki. You're done. His daughter, eighteen years old,
41:20
Speaker 2: was murdered in their home. They were all held at gunpoint,
41:24
Speaker 2: then he was kidnapped. The family have released some footage today.
41:28
Speaker 3: We just have a quick look at that.
41:33
Speaker 13: If we have that, a terrified family held at gunpoint
41:39
Speaker 13: by her mass it's shocking and upsetting to watch, but
41:48
Speaker 13: they wanted us to show their ordeal.
41:56
Speaker 2: And just offscreen from where that family where, the family
42:00
Speaker 2: of t Saki done, his eighteen year old daughter already dead.
42:06
Speaker 2: Now this is close to the Kiboots where your family lived.
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Speaker 19: It's the same keyboats, Keyboots Nahalos and basically a new
42:13
Speaker 19: Tahi because he is my son, neighbor. And when I
42:16
Speaker 19: rushed on October seventh to rescue my family, unfortunately we
42:22
Speaker 19: came because of the battles a little bit too late
42:25
Speaker 19: for Tahi but he left Israel alive walking, and that's
42:31
Speaker 19: why it's so said, and we are so angry because
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Speaker 19: again he should be back home alive. He was killed
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Speaker 19: by Ramas, but again he was abandoned by the Israeli
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Speaker 19: government and it took too long to bring them back home.
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Speaker 19: And basically, right now, the most important issue in Israel
42:53
Speaker 19: is to continue to face be of this hostage deal.
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Speaker 3: The second part of thee.
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Speaker 19: Yeah, this is very important, and we are looking at
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Speaker 19: Whitkov and to Nataniel and said, don't stop now. First
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Speaker 19: of all, bring all the hostages back home. This is
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Speaker 19: the most important goal of the war. And then we
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Speaker 19: will go to the second goal, which is to replace Hamas,
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Speaker 19: because Hamas cannot control gods anymore.
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Speaker 2: There are different views about whether that second deal should
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Speaker 2: go ahead. There are different views in Israel at the moment.
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Speaker 2: You know, some people, of course are saying prioritize the hostages,
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Speaker 2: get those remaining hostages who are alive home. But others
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Speaker 2: are so angry at Hermas, and perhaps even Trump supports
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Speaker 2: this view, perhaps that Natan yahoo that Israel should go
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Speaker 2: back in and defeat Harmas immediately.
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Speaker 3: This debate is playing.
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Speaker 19: Out right now. This is the debate in Israel. So
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Speaker 19: one thing for sure, if we will go back to
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Speaker 19: war right now, the hostages that we are still heaving
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Speaker 19: the Rama's hands, which are alive, young people will not
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Speaker 19: survive because they are in such a terrible condition. And
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Speaker 19: that's why I think there is priorities in this situation,
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Speaker 19: and in war you don't have good priorities.
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Speaker 2: It's already been such a heavy price to pay it.
44:19
Speaker 2: And you know I've said before you as a family member,
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Speaker 2: you pay absolutely any price. But thousands of Palestinian terrorists
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Speaker 2: have been released from Israeli prisons in order to get
44:31
Speaker 2: innocent hostages.
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Speaker 3: Home, even dead bodies home.
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Speaker 2: You know, those terrorists could go on to cause untold carnage.
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Speaker 19: You know, when I was in uniform years ago, I
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Speaker 19: caught some of them. I know what kind of killer
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Speaker 19: they are. But let's go back to Judaism, and let's
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Speaker 19: go back to our dinners, Israelis. We need to bring
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Speaker 19: our brother and sister home alive. This is an open wound.
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Speaker 19: The majority in all the polls, the majority of the
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Speaker 19: Israeli population said yes, we are willing to do everything,
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Speaker 19: includes stop the war in order to bring them home.
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Speaker 19: So I think right now we are at the junction.
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Speaker 19: What is more important? So in my eyes it's clear cut.
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Speaker 19: First bring the.
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Speaker 2: Hostages and then defeating her mask.
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Speaker 19: And then defeat Hamas and bring somebody else to control
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Speaker 19: gather because Hamas cannot stay in control.
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Speaker 2: On that, I'm sure everybody can agree, Major General, and
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Speaker 2: honored to have you on the program. Thank you for
45:31
Speaker 2: your time. Now, don't go anywhere after the break. Should
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Speaker 2: Elon Musk have been the star of Donald Trump's first
45:38
Speaker 2: cabinet Adam Crichton will join me next. Well, Donald Trump
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Speaker 2: has had his first cabinet meeting and the star of
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Speaker 2: the show seemed to be Elon Musk.
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Speaker 3: Now, Trump praised.
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Speaker 2: Him, but Musk sorted downplay his own role in the administration.
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Speaker 6: He's got businesses their own and in many ways this
46:01
Speaker 6: you know, Shakri facing a.
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Speaker 16: Thank you MS President, I will I actually just put
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Speaker 16: myself for a couple tech support here and.
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Speaker 2: Let's bring in now Adam Crichton, fresh from the US
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Speaker 2: and now with the Institute of Public Affairs in Melbourne.
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Speaker 3: Great to see you, Adam.
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Speaker 2: Look what's your analysis as how this cabinet meeting played out?
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Speaker 2: And should Elon Musk have been given so much attention,
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Speaker 2: given there were so many other important people in that room.
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Speaker 20: Yeah, well, certainly it's presentationally unusual. That's certainly the case.
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Speaker 20: I can't imagine one hundred and ten years ago that
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Speaker 20: John Rockefeller would have been in the same cabinet meeting
46:39
Speaker 20: with Theodore Roosevelt. But these are certainly interesting times. They're
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Speaker 20: challenging times. And Donald Trump the president, he certainly trusts
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Speaker 20: Elon Musk, and this is a country that's facing fiscal
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Speaker 20: deficits of one to two trillion dollars every year, and
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Speaker 20: rightly or wrongly, the US president thinks the US bureaucracy
46:55
Speaker 20: itself and even his own ministers are not capable of
46:58
Speaker 20: making sizeable cuts. So far, at least, it seems a
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Speaker 20: Musk has been very successful at identifying huge waste. It's
47:05
Speaker 20: in the tens of billions, but he has to identify
47:08
Speaker 20: in the hundreds of billions. So we have to see
47:10
Speaker 20: how this is going to play out.
47:12
Speaker 2: There's also obviously been a lot of discussion about the
47:16
Speaker 2: way that Trump has been trying to get a deal
47:19
Speaker 2: between Ukraine and Russia to end the war. He's been
47:22
Speaker 2: making all sorts of pretty awful accusations against President Zelenski.
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Speaker 3: But now we're hearing that.
47:28
Speaker 2: President Zelenski is set to fly over to sign a
47:31
Speaker 2: deal on minerals.
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Speaker 3: Here was Trump's reaction.
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Speaker 10: The President's Olyndsey's coming to sign the deal. And it's
47:38
Speaker 10: a great thing. It's a great deal for Ukraine.
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Speaker 6: Too, because they get us over there and we're going
47:42
Speaker 6: to be working over there.
47:43
Speaker 20: We'll be on the land, and you know, in that way,
47:45
Speaker 20: it's there's sort of automatic security because nobody's going to
47:48
Speaker 20: be messing around with other people.
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Speaker 2: So, Adam, this is to do with the amount of
47:53
Speaker 2: US money that's gone to Ukraine.
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Speaker 20: Yes, that's right. So Trump wants some of this money
47:59
Speaker 20: back through various contractual deals over minerals. Some people say
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Speaker 20: they don't actually have many minerals. Donald Trump's confused about this.
48:06
Speaker 20: But look, I think it's good that Trump is talking
48:09
Speaker 20: to everyone and is trying to bring peace here. Certainly,
48:11
Speaker 20: as you suggest, he said very mean things about the
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Speaker 20: president of Ukraine, and I don't agree with those, but look,
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Speaker 20: if he brings about an end to this horrific war
48:18
Speaker 20: where hundreds of thousands of people have died, I would
48:20
Speaker 20: say unnecessarily, as the US President says as well, I
48:24
Speaker 20: think that is a good thing. We can only hope
48:26
Speaker 20: that peace comes of this. And also people are saying
48:29
Speaker 20: that he's giving everything away to Russia.
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Speaker 12: Look, we haven't.
48:31
Speaker 20: We have not seen the final deal yet. You know,
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Speaker 20: Trump says a lot of things, but let's just wait
48:36
Speaker 20: until we see the black letter of this deal. Okay,
48:40
Speaker 20: let's just wait and see.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so we can be very critical on the fact
48:43
Speaker 2: that he calls ze Landscap dictator, but let's give him
48:45
Speaker 2: the benefit of the doubt until we see where this lands.
48:48
Speaker 3: Now, this has caused all sorts.
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Speaker 2: Of mayhem on social media, which has been quite fun
48:53
Speaker 2: to watch. Donald Trump's I don't know if he uploaded it,
48:56
Speaker 2: if he has control of his social media account, who knows,
48:59
Speaker 2: But his social media account has uploaded an AI generated
49:03
Speaker 2: Gaza video.
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Speaker 3: Have a look, No more tunnels, No more.
49:11
Speaker 1: Right Trump number one.
49:19
Speaker 2: And it ends with Trump and Nattigna who with no
49:23
Speaker 2: shirts on. I mean, if it's a I wouldn't they
49:24
Speaker 2: have given themselves better physiques in that version of the video.
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Speaker 3: But they're kind of sound baking by Paul Adam.
49:32
Speaker 2: I mean, everyone's having you go at this, but the
49:35
Speaker 2: bottom line is right now, Gaza is a terrorist controlled hotspot,
49:40
Speaker 2: which is not good for the Palestinians to live in.
49:43
Speaker 2: You know, I think Trump's trying to say, with investment
49:46
Speaker 2: and without terrorism, the place could be transformed.
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Speaker 3: There could be a better future.
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Speaker 20: Yeah, look, you know, I think that's true. I think,
49:54
Speaker 20: you know, if if if that video that that Trump
49:56
Speaker 20: posted was a reality and the alternative was the current status, Oh,
50:00
Speaker 20: I'm sure ninety percent of Palace Statians would rather be
50:03
Speaker 20: in that, you know, be in that ai world. But
50:05
Speaker 20: on the other hand, I can understand why, you know,
50:07
Speaker 20: the Arab side of things are upset about. There's a
50:09
Speaker 20: lot of people have died. But also, you know, you've
50:11
Speaker 20: got to take a step back with Trump. I mean,
50:12
Speaker 20: he posts a lot of crazy stuff. It's just him.
50:16
Speaker 20: I mean, it is unorthodox. Certainly, it's very funny. But
50:19
Speaker 20: you know, this is a man who goes to McDonald's.
50:21
Speaker 20: This is a man who drives garbage trucks. That's just
50:24
Speaker 20: his style. We've just got to get used to that.
50:26
Speaker 20: For the next three and a half years or more,
50:28
Speaker 20: there's going to be a lot more things like this.
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Speaker 20: And as you say, you know, the end, you know,
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Speaker 20: the end may be a good thing for the region.
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Speaker 20: It's still too early to.
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Speaker 2: Say, yeah, well, it's got to be better than at
50:39
Speaker 2: the moment where there's just terrorism and death. Any change
50:43
Speaker 2: is better than that. At least there's a vision here.
50:45
Speaker 2: But still my favorite Trump movement. I'm just raising with you, Adam,
50:48
Speaker 2: because we haven't spoken about it yet. Other paper straws.
50:51
Speaker 2: Getting rid of the paper straws. Please can someone do
50:53
Speaker 2: that Australia. All right, Adam Crichton, thank you.
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Speaker 3: So much for your time. Great to see you again.
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Speaker 2: Good time you back in Australia, and thanks everyone for
51:02
Speaker 2: your company this week. I'll see you Monday at eight o'clock.
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Speaker 2: But right now, here's poor Murray in Las Vegas.