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Sharri | 18 June · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News.
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Speaker 2: This is Sharry Good Evening.
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Speaker 3: Tonight President Trump poised to deploy bunker busting bombs, getting
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Speaker 3: after giving a run a final chance to surrender. We've
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Speaker 3: got full coverage tonight Miranda Devines on the show. She
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Speaker 3: reveals the pressure President Trump is under from the Maga
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Speaker 3: isolationists not to help Israel, and I speak exclusively on
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Speaker 3: the show live with Deputy Foreign Minister Sharan Haskell, her
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Speaker 3: first interview since the.
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Speaker 2: War and Iran broke out.
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Speaker 3: We'll get the latest on Supreme Leader Kamani.
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Speaker 2: Is he likely to flee and seek exile.
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Speaker 3: Plus, a record number of small businesses are going under
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Speaker 3: with the Albanezy government crippling the economy. But first tonight,
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Speaker 3: Donald Trump is poised to send American buster bombers to
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Speaker 3: eliminate Iran's top secret nuclear facility four Doh, some ninety
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Speaker 3: meters underground. The President is making a final call on
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Speaker 3: whether to take this action. He's getting advice and pressure
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Speaker 3: from those around him. His administration is divided, which is
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Speaker 3: in my view, a reflection on some poor appointments, including
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Speaker 3: Tulsi Gabbard as the Director of National Intelligence. A leak
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Speaker 3: in the Wall Street Journal today cast doubt on the
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Speaker 3: Israeli intel that suggests a nuclear weapon isn't far off.
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Speaker 3: And clearly this leak came from one of those in
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Speaker 3: the Trump administration who's opposed to America supporting Israel, and
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Speaker 3: the propositions in the article were absurd. You trust Israeli
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Speaker 3: intelligence over the word of ideological and tainted US intel
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Speaker 3: agencies any day of the week. Mossad has shown what
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Speaker 3: it knows, what it can do, over and over and
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Speaker 3: over again. Just think of the Hesbeler pages to the
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Speaker 3: operation in Iran, to Nasraala being killed in his bunker,
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Speaker 3: all based on accurate intelligence, often from deeply embedded undercover operatives. Plus,
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Speaker 3: the International Atomic Energy Agency has ruled that Iran breached
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Speaker 3: its nuclear obligations and is developing more Uranian enrichment than
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Speaker 3: it could possibly use for civilian purposes. Both to the
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Speaker 3: Wall Street Journal league itself, that's most interesting. It shows
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Speaker 3: the angry divide inside the Trump administration over whether the
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Speaker 3: president should use the American weapons to penetrate Iranian mountains.
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Speaker 3: It's being billed as one of the biggest decisions Trump
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Speaker 3: has to make, whether to bomb Iran's top nuclear site.
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Speaker 4: To actually get it at those nuclear facilities which are
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Speaker 4: buried deep in a mountain. Israel needs the help of
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Speaker 4: American needs those two bombers and those bunker busting bombs,
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Speaker 4: several of them, I think. And so that's the decision
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Speaker 4: that Donald Trump has to make. He's under a lot
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Speaker 4: of pressure, he's getting no advice from every.
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Speaker 3: Quarter, and that Miranda Divine interview coming up later. But
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Speaker 3: there shouldn't be such a big decision. There are no
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Speaker 3: requests for American troops on the ground, there's no request
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Speaker 3: for Americans to put their lives on the line. In fact,
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Speaker 3: there's very little risk given Israel has already seized control
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Speaker 3: of Iranian skies and destroyed some forty percent of its
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Speaker 3: missile launchers, oh and killed all of its military chiefs,
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Speaker 3: including the top war chief.
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Speaker 2: Young Israelis men and women have done all the heavy lifting.
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Speaker 2: It's simply the weaponry that Israel needs.
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Speaker 3: There shouldn't be such a difficult decision for Trump because
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Speaker 3: he could be the president that brings peace we've never
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Speaker 3: known in our lifetimes to the Middle East. And the
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Speaker 3: only way you get to peace is by eliminating the
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Speaker 3: terror and nuclear threat. That means actually dealing with Iran,
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Speaker 3: and not by engaging in yet more deals and negotiations
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Speaker 3: that everyone knows.
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Speaker 2: The ayatolders won't keep.
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Speaker 3: That's why the argument that anyone who wants to help
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Speaker 3: Israel is a warmonger is so absurd, and in fact
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Speaker 3: the opposite is true. Iran is responsible for more terrorism
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Speaker 3: around the world than any other nation, and this includes,
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Speaker 3: of course financing the massacre of innocent families on October seven,
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Speaker 3: along with many terror attacks against the West and America
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Speaker 3: over the years.
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Speaker 2: It also, of course.
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Speaker 3: Is behind the terror groups Humus and Hesbalah, and it
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Speaker 3: will never give up its stated desire for the destruction
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Speaker 3: of Israel. In the past few days, Iatola Kamani posted
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Speaker 3: a chilling clip to social media showing hundreds of missiles
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Speaker 3: ready to fire at Israel, with a caption, the Islamic
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Speaker 3: Republic's armed forces will deal heavy blows to the evil
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Speaker 3: Zionist enemy. Iran isn't hiding its intent to destroy Israel,
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Speaker 3: America and the West.
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Speaker 2: It's boasting about it.
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Speaker 3: There can be no peace while Iran remains a dangerous force,
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Speaker 3: and allowing Iran to continue its enrichment program is the
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Speaker 3: path to a dangerous and bleique future. Taking out its
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Speaker 3: nuclear sites is the only path to peace in the region,
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Speaker 3: and the step after that is expanding the Abraham McCords
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Speaker 3: with Saudi Arabia and perhaps other Arab nations. Trumpnetti Naho
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Speaker 3: had a call after the President's Situation Room meeting.
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Speaker 2: They're in regular.
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Speaker 3: Contact and they're on the same page when it comes
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Speaker 3: to the future of the Middle East. So to me,
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Speaker 3: there's a lot of hand ringing going on, unnecessarily, but
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Speaker 3: there are signs the United States is preparing to use
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Speaker 3: its B two planes and bunker busters to take out
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Speaker 3: the photo fuel enrichment plant, maybe other sites too. Americay
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Speaker 3: is sending dozens of Air Force refueling jets and tankers
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Speaker 3: into the region that are needed for the B two
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Speaker 3: planes to operate, and the American Embassy in Jerusalem will
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Speaker 3: be closed for the next few days. And more importantly,
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Speaker 3: there's also Trump's public comments. He's calling on Iran to surrender.
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Speaker 3: He's still giving the Mullers one last chance. Yet Iran
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Speaker 3: refuses to give up its nuclear program, even as its
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Speaker 3: regime is being brought to its knees. It is crippled
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Speaker 3: and their only way out now at this late stage
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Speaker 3: is with more diplomacy, the carrot of a trade deal
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Speaker 3: in return for giving up their nuclear enrichment program. Now,
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Speaker 3: if the West agreed to this, if Trump did, it
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Speaker 3: would be a mistake. It would mean giving Iran likely
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Speaker 3: billions of dollars which they'll use to finance terror yet again.
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Speaker 3: And ironically, the only hope for Iran now is if
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Speaker 3: Trump steps in to save them now.
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Speaker 2: The Wall Street.
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Speaker 3: Journal editorial today makes the point that this is also
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Speaker 3: a matter of deterrence for the United States, with Beijing
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Speaker 3: and Russia watching closely. It says, if the US won't
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Speaker 3: help one of its strongest and most loyal allies finish
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Speaker 3: the job of eliminating Iran's nuclear threat in uncontested airspace,
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Speaker 3: the message to China will be that there is no
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Speaker 3: chance the US will defend Taiwan. But if Trump helps
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Speaker 3: Israel in force his own red lines against Iran's nuclear program,
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Speaker 3: he can send a message that American deterrence means something again.
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Speaker 2: And this is a powerful argument.
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Speaker 3: So let's take a look at the weapon that's at
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Speaker 3: the heart of this discussion. These are the B two
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Speaker 3: stealth bombers, which can carry two thirteen thousand, six hundred
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Speaker 3: and seven kilogram thirteen six hundred and seven kilogram GBU
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Speaker 3: fifty seven bunker buster bombs, and this is the only
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Speaker 3: weapon capable of penetrating the mountains in Iran to reach
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Speaker 3: the nuclear facilities of four Dough underneath Mount Alvant.
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Speaker 2: Which is south of Tehran.
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Speaker 3: And this is how these weapons looked during a Testril
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Speaker 3: in twenty seventeen. Well, now the American media is reporting
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Speaker 3: that it's a thirty hour round trip from the Whiteman
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Speaker 3: Air Force Base in Missouri where these weapons are housed,
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Speaker 3: and reporters are stationed outside to be the first to
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Speaker 3: know if there's movement.
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Speaker 5: We've been out here waiting seeing if it's going to
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Speaker 5: take off. But this is a very special plane. It
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Speaker 5: is a stealth bomber, and as you pointed out, it
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Speaker 5: can carry a bunker buster bomb.
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Speaker 3: But given there's media there, this would give Tehran at
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Speaker 3: least fifteen hours advance warning, which is an ideal and
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Speaker 3: could even be highly problematic. Well, I asked my sources
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Speaker 3: about this today and they told me that there are
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Speaker 3: actually already B two bombers in the region, far closer
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Speaker 3: than America. So perhaps those reporters will be waiting there
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Speaker 3: a long time. Now, there's no logical case against America
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Speaker 3: using these weapons on around nuclear sites that it refuses
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Speaker 3: to dismantle. The reason for the indecision simply comes down
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Speaker 3: to Trump's own power base, the isolationists and the Mega movement,
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Speaker 3: who claim that America First means not being involved in
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Speaker 3: any foreign wars.
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Speaker 6: Well.
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Speaker 3: Donald Trump's former Press secretary, Kaylee mcinnaney obliterated this argument
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Speaker 3: on Fox News Today, where she is now a host.
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Speaker 7: How is Bannon and the folks that you mentioned and
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Speaker 7: the people advocating for just sitting back and taking it easy,
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Speaker 7: how are they any different than Biden's foreign policy. Biden's
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Speaker 7: foreign policy was I say don't and Putin does. I
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Speaker 7: say don't, and the Taliban takes over Afghanistan, I say don't,
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Speaker 7: and two global wars start on my watch. That is
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Speaker 7: the Biden FORIGMN policy. That is, by no definition America first.
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Speaker 7: Auran has had five decades, five decades, almost half a
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Speaker 7: century to talk, and what they've done instead killed six
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Speaker 7: hundred nine American troops in Iraq. What they've done is
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Speaker 7: put an assassination plot on President Trump's head. What they've
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Speaker 7: done is take American hostages and reac havoc on the world.
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Speaker 7: America First is not sitting in a beach chair and
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Speaker 7: using words. It's taking decisive action. When we can take
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Speaker 7: out four doh the one swoop of an airplane.
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Speaker 3: She's excellent, and that's perfectly articulated, and it seems the
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Speaker 3: international community now agrees with her. Well aside that is
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Speaker 3: from out pathetic anti Israel Albanese government, but otherwise there
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Speaker 3: are no public objections to taking out the nuclear facility
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Speaker 3: from international leaders, none at all. In fact, the German
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Speaker 3: Chancellor publicly acknowledged that Israel is doing what he described
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Speaker 3: as the international community's dirty work, as Iran is the
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Speaker 3: source of so many terror attacks. Well, Trump should be
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Speaker 3: encouraged to take this action to create a safer future.
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Speaker 3: It would be a legacy defining moment for his presidency
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Speaker 3: while providing something no other president has ever been able to,
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Speaker 3: something that still plagues Bill Clinton to this day, creating
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Speaker 3: a pathway.
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Speaker 2: For peace in the Middle East.
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Speaker 3: This is a test of Trump's character and courage. The
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Speaker 3: young Israelis who put their lives on the line don't hesitate,
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Speaker 3: and neither should he. Trump should claim his role in
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Speaker 3: history as the president who stood with Israel to obliterate
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Speaker 3: Iran's nuclear program. He should do his part to bravely
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Speaker 3: defend the West and return America to its rightful position
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Speaker 3: as leader of the free world. This is his moment
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Speaker 3: and he should seize it.
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Speaker 2: All right.
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Speaker 3: A lot coming up on the show tonight, A big show,
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Speaker 3: as I said, Exclusive interview with Israel's Deputy Foreign Affairs
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Speaker 3: Minister Sharen Haskell later plus Miranda Devine coming up. But
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Speaker 3: now let's jump straight into it with our panel labor
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Speaker 3: Agend Graham Richardson and filling in for Michael kroger Sky,
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Speaker 3: the news host Caleb Bond.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to you both.
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Speaker 3: Now, I actually want to start with the fact that
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Speaker 3: I'm being inundated with emails and messages from Australians who
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Speaker 3: are stranded in Israel or their family members, and they're
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Speaker 3: shocked that the Albanezy government is doing almost nothing to
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Speaker 3: help them evacuate the war zone. So the Albanezi government
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Speaker 3: rushed to bring Guarzans here, but they aren't doing enough
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Speaker 3: for Australian citizens in Israel, and I presume it would
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Speaker 3: be the same for Australian who are in Iran.
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Speaker 2: Richo, the government should be doing more, shouldn't they?
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Speaker 8: Yeah, the government should be doing more. I think there's
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Speaker 8: an obvious gap here where that needs to be filled
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Speaker 8: and needs to be filled quickly.
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Speaker 2: Caleb, this is a highly dangerous war zone.
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's pretty irresponsible of the alban Easy government.
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Speaker 3: You know, my friend Joel Bernie from Ajak, he's managed
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Speaker 3: to get two groups of people out of Israel by
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Speaker 3: evacuating them to Jordan, making sure they're met safely on
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Speaker 3: the other side.
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Speaker 2: Am An Easy government's not doing that.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, And for those people, and I know a number
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Speaker 9: of them have been involved, it's been a bit of
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Speaker 9: a trape's home. But that's part of the deal. I mean,
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Speaker 9: it's not easy to get someone out of a war zone,
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Speaker 9: but it's easy for a government to do it that
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Speaker 9: it is for a private organization to do it. And
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Speaker 9: of course a space over Iran is pretty much closed
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Speaker 9: at the moment. That's a different matter, but Israel is not.
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Speaker 9: How hard can it be to get a few planes
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Speaker 9: in there or to a nearby country like Jordan, get
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Speaker 9: people over the border and get them out. If you
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Speaker 9: really wanted to do it, you could do it. It
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Speaker 9: takes logistics, it takes time, and it takes money. We've
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Speaker 9: done it before. It's not like these options aren't available
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Speaker 9: to us. So it doesn't say that there's no obvious
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Speaker 9: reason why you couldn't just do it now. Send the
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Speaker 9: planes over there, get it done, get them out there.
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Speaker 3: And they couldn't send them to Bengurian Airport because that
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Speaker 3: is shut. But you're right, they could, of course to
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Speaker 3: Jordan or even potentially Egypt.
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Speaker 2: But Jordan, I would say, is safer.
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Speaker 3: Richo, just on the broader question of what I've been
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Speaker 3: speaking about tonight, But the whole world is waiting to
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Speaker 3: hear what Trump does. It does make sense for America
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Speaker 3: to back in Israel just to finish the job the
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Speaker 3: last ten percent, doesn't it?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it does.
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Speaker 8: I can't see a reason why, well, we can't go
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Speaker 8: along that line. Look, you muck around with these things
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Speaker 8: too much. What it requires is decisive people who make
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Speaker 8: big decisions and make them quickly. Not easy to do,
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Speaker 8: but must be done.
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Speaker 2: No, indeed, well perhaps not easy for some to do. Caleb.
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Speaker 3: Why is the Albanezi government so out of step with
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Speaker 3: the rest of.
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Speaker 2: The world here? I mean, they can't praise Israel.
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Speaker 3: They're finally using some harder language against Iran, but they're
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Speaker 3: certainly not endorsing Israel's campaign, not explicitly.
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Speaker 9: I feel like they've been caught on the hop almost
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Speaker 9: because of course we know that the attitude they've taken
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Speaker 9: to the war throughout the entirety of this war. And
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Speaker 9: so you come to a point like this, which is
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Speaker 9: a pretty clear moral decision to be made for anyone
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Speaker 9: in the West, which is that Iran, in one way
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Speaker 9: or another, should not be able to have nuclear weapons,
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Speaker 9: and that for the greater good of the entire world,
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Speaker 9: let alone the West, it should not be allowed to
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Speaker 9: have nuclear weapons. And I feel like Pennywong and Anthony
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Speaker 9: ALBANIZI reached a point now where they feel like if
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Speaker 9: they were to say, well, actually, Israel is doing something
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Speaker 9: good for the world now, it would negate everything else
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Speaker 9: they have said throughout the war.
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Speaker 1: And so they find.
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Speaker 9: Themselves in this difficult position of thinking they have to
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Speaker 9: be consistent in everything they've said to this point. You know,
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Speaker 9: they can admit, look, we haven't been on board with
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Speaker 9: Israel the whole time, bat on this point specifically, we
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Speaker 9: agree with what they are doing, which is for the
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Speaker 9: benefit of the West. If they can't even concede that
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Speaker 9: it is absolute weakness, which probably goes to it.
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Speaker 2: It is it goes to.
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Speaker 9: Part of the reason that Donald Trump didn't want anything
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Speaker 9: to do with it exactly.
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Speaker 3: And on that point, Richo, I mean, we know Trump
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Speaker 3: skipped his meeting with alban easy to deal with Israel
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Speaker 3: and Iran.
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Speaker 2: That's understandable.
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Speaker 3: But now we hear that India's Neurandra Modi got a
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Speaker 3: phone call from Trump. So did Mexico's president Claudia Scheinbaum.
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Speaker 3: No phone call for Alban EASi. So Richard, this is
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Speaker 3: just further humiliation, isn't it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 8: I wish I could describe it in a better way,
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Speaker 8: but I think it's it is pretty humiliating. And I
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Speaker 8: hope we can get through this difficult period of relations
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Speaker 8: with the US because it's not helpful to anything. We
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Speaker 8: rely on them for so much and you can't take
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Speaker 8: them for granted. You've got to handle them very carefully.
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Speaker 3: Well, Richard, now Albaneze is talking about, you know, possibly
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Speaker 3: a meeting on the sidelines of NATO. Well, rich O,
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Speaker 3: why can't he just visit Washington? I mean, is it
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Speaker 3: the case that Rudd seriously can't actually get a meeting
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Speaker 3: in Washington in the overal offers.
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Speaker 8: It might be possible. I mean, I mean, Rudd's a
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Speaker 8: very unpopular character everywhere, and he has insulted personally the
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Speaker 8: United States President, which is something to do, but he's
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Speaker 8: done it, and that puts US in a pretty difficult position.
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Speaker 10: You know.
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Speaker 8: Really, why we got somebody in there as the ambassador who.
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Speaker 1: Can't talk to the president.
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Speaker 8: At any time, Why we got back It's what Australian needs,
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Speaker 8: is an ambassador and president's door get straight in. That's
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Speaker 8: what Australian needs because that's the importance of the friendship
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Speaker 8: and of being allies. But it is working.
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Speaker 3: I completely agree with you, and you know well, I
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Speaker 3: even broke the story that Rudd had called Trump a
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Speaker 3: village idiot. And yet I think you could have the
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Speaker 3: best possible ambassador that I mean, Scott Morrison or Greg
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Speaker 3: Norman could be the ambassador. And I still think now
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Speaker 3: the problem is Albanesi and Pennywong's foreign policy, the fact
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Speaker 3: that it is so removed from anything the US would
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Speaker 3: stand for, so removed from our own values.
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Speaker 2: Would you agree with that, Caleb?
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Speaker 1: I think so.
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Speaker 9: And of course, something we often ignore with Kevin Rudd,
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Speaker 9: notwithstanding the fact that he has insulted Donald Trump for
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Speaker 9: is that there are many people within the Republican Party
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Speaker 9: who respect him for his knowledge on China and have
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Speaker 9: actually sought his knowledge on China. So there are people
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Speaker 9: who could tap Donald Trump on the shoulder and try
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Speaker 9: through Rudd to organize these sorts of things. But when
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Speaker 9: it comes to Albanizi, I think Trump is trying to
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Speaker 9: maneuver him quite cleverly on the matter of defense spending.
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Speaker 9: And the longer he draws this out, the longer he
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Speaker 9: makes Albanesi wait, the more he will make Albanesi sweat.
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Speaker 9: And so when they finally get into a room, whether
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Speaker 9: it be on the sidelines of NATO or in the
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Speaker 9: White House, which is where he should be. I mean,
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Speaker 9: for heaven's sake, the Prime Minister is in Canada right now.
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Speaker 9: Why can't he pick up the phone and organize a
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Speaker 9: meeting at the White House in the next few days.
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Speaker 9: He's in the region. But when Trump finally gets him
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Speaker 9: in a room, he wants to have made him sweat
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Speaker 9: long enough that he can get some concessions out of
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Speaker 9: the man.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Indeed, well, speaking of the g and just by the way,
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Speaker 3: The point is Australia and ALBANIZI are so irrelevant. So
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Speaker 3: you know, Trump's not thinking about us, and yet we
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Speaker 3: think about him all of the time. I mean, speaking
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Speaker 3: of the G seven, there's only one moment that stole
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Speaker 3: the show, and that's the footage of Italian Prime Minister
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Speaker 3: Georgia Maloney rolling her eyes at a manual maccran.
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Speaker 2: It's of course gone viral, have a.
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Speaker 11: Look, nothing official yet they haven't turned on the microphones
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Speaker 11: and sometimes you can pick something up in the side conversations.
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Speaker 3: But I mean, Richard, this is just brilliant footage. We're
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Speaker 3: all rolling our eyes at Macron.
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Speaker 1: It is brilliant footage.
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Speaker 8: Jungle, I say, I don't think you very often see
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Speaker 8: something that is insightful as that is, and in what say,
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Speaker 8: is embarrassing in some respects for some people. I think
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Speaker 8: it's great vision and I wish we could.
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Speaker 6: Get more of it.
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Speaker 3: No, indeed, I mean calyb she's actually quite popular.
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Speaker 2: When you think of her as a leader.
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Speaker 9: I think she's brilliant. I mean her party, not necessarily
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Speaker 9: her own personal popularity would sort of been up and
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Speaker 9: down since she was elected in twenty twenty two. But
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Speaker 9: the polling in Italy shows that her party has increased
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Speaker 9: its share of the vote since she was elected in
22:12
Speaker 9: twenty twenty two, so she is popular over there. I mean,
22:15
Speaker 9: she's the closest thing we have to a modern Margaret Thatcher. Really,
22:19
Speaker 9: I thought we might have had a few female leaders
22:21
Speaker 9: in the UK that could measure rapt to thatch it,
22:23
Speaker 9: but they never quite seem to get there. Georgia Maloney
22:25
Speaker 9: seems to be the closest. You know, she's taken on
22:28
Speaker 9: the things that people in Europe are worried about, particularly immigration.
22:32
Speaker 9: She's a straight shooter and it's not the first time
22:34
Speaker 9: we've seen her have a reaction like that. I mean,
22:36
Speaker 9: we don't know what she was talking to mccron about,
22:38
Speaker 9: whether she was rolling her eyes it's something that she
22:40
Speaker 9: had seen to her, or whether they were gossiping about
22:43
Speaker 9: something he.
22:44
Speaker 3: Could have made some kind of correct she was just
22:47
Speaker 3: agreeing with him rolling.
22:48
Speaker 9: But she's previously admolished Joe Biden for showing up to
22:51
Speaker 9: a meeting late. Like she's not afraid to say what
22:54
Speaker 9: she thinks, and it's not often these days that we
22:57
Speaker 9: get a world leader like that. Donald Trump, of course,
22:59
Speaker 9: is one of them. Georgia Maloney is another you know
23:02
Speaker 9: where she stands, and I think that's a great virtue.
23:05
Speaker 3: I know, And it's so funny with foreign policy in
23:07
Speaker 3: the middle of a wall where Donald Trump's tweeting everything, and.
23:11
Speaker 9: I mean it's quite I mean the idea, mind it,
23:13
Speaker 9: the idea that someone could post something on social media
23:17
Speaker 9: and then hundreds of thousands of people get in their
23:19
Speaker 9: cars and drive out of a capital city like Teyran.
23:23
Speaker 9: I mean, you would never have thought twenty years ago
23:25
Speaker 9: this could exist.
23:25
Speaker 2: Right exactly. But also it's just how everything's changed.
23:28
Speaker 3: I mean, normally there's bureaucrats mulling over the wording that
23:32
Speaker 3: a president would say publicly, and he's just tapping it out.
23:34
Speaker 3: I mean, at some point today there was probably about
23:37
Speaker 3: I don't know, ten or fifteen or something of his
23:40
Speaker 3: posts on truth socials.
23:41
Speaker 2: It was obviously up late at night telling everyone what
23:45
Speaker 2: he thought, telling around what he thought.
23:46
Speaker 9: And some people say that's dangerous, but I think actually
23:50
Speaker 9: having the unfiltered views of a leader is good because
23:53
Speaker 9: normally what we get is what the bureaucrats want a
23:55
Speaker 9: leader to tell us.
23:56
Speaker 2: This is reality, all right, got to go, all right?
23:58
Speaker 2: Rich O Calebon We'll see you back at ten o'clock
24:01
Speaker 2: to night.
24:01
Speaker 12: Pleasure.
24:02
Speaker 2: Thank you now.
24:04
Speaker 3: Just a week before Israel began to destroy Iran's nuclear sites,
24:07
Speaker 3: New York Post columnist Miranda Devine spoke with Trump about
24:11
Speaker 3: this very topic.
24:14
Speaker 6: And I would have said a deal would be made.
24:16
Speaker 4: Something happened to them like, Oh, I don't know, maybe
24:18
Speaker 4: I'm wrong, Maybe China instincts about things.
24:21
Speaker 6: You think China took them out.
24:23
Speaker 12: No, I don't think.
24:23
Speaker 6: Jana has anything to do with it. I just think
24:25
Speaker 6: maybe that maybe they don't want to make a deal.
24:28
Speaker 6: What can I say? But and maybe they do.
24:32
Speaker 3: And now the President is poised to help Israel. And
24:35
Speaker 3: I spoke about this with Miranda a little earlier. Miranda's
24:39
Speaker 3: so good to have you on the show again. We
24:41
Speaker 3: saw Trump quit the G seven rush back to Washington
24:45
Speaker 3: to call an emergency meeting in the Situation Room. What
24:48
Speaker 3: do we know about what was discussed in the outcome
24:50
Speaker 3: of that emergency meeting.
24:52
Speaker 6: We don't really know, other than you know.
24:55
Speaker 4: President Trump obviously is very open about, you.
24:59
Speaker 6: Know, the things that are going through his head. He
25:02
Speaker 6: speaks to the media all the time.
25:03
Speaker 4: He's done that today, he's commented on truth social you know,
25:09
Speaker 4: saying that the Eye Toller is safe for now, but
25:12
Speaker 4: we know where he is, that we have full control
25:15
Speaker 4: of the skies. I guess he means Israel does, and that,
25:20
Speaker 4: you know, unconditional surrender from the Iranians.
25:23
Speaker 6: That's always what he's want. He's wanted to have this deal.
25:26
Speaker 6: He doesn't want to be at war.
25:29
Speaker 4: Israel has done a brilliant job of shaping the battlefield
25:33
Speaker 4: and they, you know, Donald Trump has been at pains
25:38
Speaker 4: to say America was not involved in that, but to
25:42
Speaker 4: actually get it at those sort of nuclear facilities which
25:47
Speaker 4: are buried deep in a mountain. Israel needs the help
25:50
Speaker 4: of America needs those B two bombers and those bunker
25:54
Speaker 4: busting bombs, several of them, I think. And so that's
25:59
Speaker 4: the decision Donald Trump has to make. He's under a
26:02
Speaker 4: lot of pressure. He's getting advice from every quarter. And
26:08
Speaker 4: I'm sure that since he's run on peace through strength,
26:15
Speaker 4: he doesn't like war.
26:16
Speaker 6: He's tried to end war. However, he's always been very strong.
26:20
Speaker 4: I interviewed him last week and he again reiterated that
26:24
Speaker 4: Iran is not going to get a nuclear weapon. He said,
26:27
Speaker 4: we would like to do a deal with Iran. We
26:30
Speaker 4: want Iran to prosper. We can help them do that,
26:33
Speaker 4: we can give them trade, but they are not going
26:36
Speaker 4: to get a nuclear bomb and a nuclear weapon, and
26:39
Speaker 4: they're either going to not have it the nice way
26:43
Speaker 4: or it's going to get ugly. And he said, I
26:44
Speaker 4: would rather do it the way that doesn't have people
26:49
Speaker 4: getting killed, and so that's his philosophy.
26:53
Speaker 6: And so I think the most you're.
26:55
Speaker 4: Going to see from America is certainly not going to
26:57
Speaker 4: be a regime change situation. There's zero appetite for that
27:03
Speaker 4: in America now and certainly in the MAGA movement, certainly
27:06
Speaker 4: with Donald Trump, he has been very down on George W.
27:10
Speaker 4: Bush and the rest of his cabinet who took a
27:14
Speaker 4: part of RAQ. So that won't be happening. But what
27:17
Speaker 4: you might see there are all these carrier groups and
27:20
Speaker 4: other military equipment is moving into that neighborhood. So what
27:28
Speaker 4: you'll probably see is just a single strike on the
27:32
Speaker 4: nuclear facilities in Fordoh.
27:34
Speaker 6: And then you know America will no longer be involved.
27:39
Speaker 3: That's it, Yeah, And that's all Israel really needs is
27:42
Speaker 3: help with that particular strike, as you say, to destroy
27:45
Speaker 3: the Photo nuclear facility.
27:47
Speaker 2: That's deep underground. Marada.
27:49
Speaker 3: I think it's interesting you mentioned regime change, and while
27:52
Speaker 3: that's not the explicit goal, Iranians, of course would be
27:56
Speaker 3: better off not living under the brutal dictatorship of Ayatola's
28:00
Speaker 3: law and to go back to a situation pre nineteen
28:03
Speaker 3: seventy nine when they had freedom and they had human rights.
28:06
Speaker 3: But of course that's ultimately up to the Uranians. Now,
28:11
Speaker 3: you mentioned that Trump is getting advice from all quarters,
28:14
Speaker 3: and there's the two philosophies. The one traditional conservative Republicans,
28:19
Speaker 3: who of course think the United States should assist Israel
28:22
Speaker 3: in defense of Western civilization.
28:26
Speaker 2: But then there's this new school of thought.
28:27
Speaker 3: The isolationist arm of the Magawing who don't want to
28:30
Speaker 3: get involved. This is really the first time we're properly
28:34
Speaker 3: seeing it play out, and it does seem like the
28:38
Speaker 3: president's ton is that right?
28:40
Speaker 4: I think he's pretty resolutione. You know, he makes the
28:43
Speaker 4: point that peace through strength does not mean that Iran
28:47
Speaker 4: gets a nuclear weapon. And you mentioned JD. Vance and
28:51
Speaker 4: Mike Krkaby, who's the ambassador to Israel, and both of
28:56
Speaker 4: them have made statements. One Harkabee sent along private text
29:00
Speaker 4: message to the President which the President then truth doubt
29:04
Speaker 4: and JD. Vance wrote his own quite long message on
29:07
Speaker 4: X and both really were saying the same thing, which
29:10
Speaker 4: is that Donald Trump has earned the right to be trusted.
29:15
Speaker 4: Mike Krkabee says, you know, you're getting advice from all quarters.
29:20
Speaker 6: I believe that you are the man. You know, he's
29:23
Speaker 6: a very religious Christian man.
29:25
Speaker 4: I believe that you are the man that God has
29:27
Speaker 4: put here in this place, and blah blah.
29:31
Speaker 6: Along those lines.
29:32
Speaker 4: But he's not telling him one way or the other.
29:34
Speaker 4: And neither is jd Vance, at least publicly. And I
29:39
Speaker 4: don't think really, I mean, Donald Trump is neither one
29:43
Speaker 4: nor the other.
29:43
Speaker 6: And he said that in his last term.
29:47
Speaker 4: In his first term, he said, you know, I'm not
29:50
Speaker 4: a hawk and I'm not a dove.
29:52
Speaker 6: I'm a common.
29:52
Speaker 4: Sense person and I just treat everything on first principles.
29:58
Speaker 4: And that served him very well in his first term.
30:02
Speaker 4: I mean, he was tough, he got rid of solomony.
30:05
Speaker 4: But on the other hand, he refused to do a
30:07
Speaker 4: strike that John Bolton desperately wanted.
30:10
Speaker 6: John Bolton talks about being so bitterly.
30:13
Speaker 4: Disappointed in his book that he went home to get
30:16
Speaker 4: changed so that he would have the evening in the
30:17
Speaker 4: situation room having fun watching people die, and Donald Trump,
30:22
Speaker 4: while he was off getting changed, changed his mind. He
30:25
Speaker 4: didn't want one hundred and fifty Iranians to be killed
30:28
Speaker 4: in retaliation for you know, a drone that wasn't manned,
30:34
Speaker 4: an unmandrone of America being shot down. So he just
30:38
Speaker 4: is very infuriating to the neo cons, to the Hawks.
30:43
Speaker 4: But nobody controls him. Tucker Carlson doesn't, JD. Vance doesn't,
30:49
Speaker 4: Lindsey Graham certainly doesn't. He has to make this decision
30:54
Speaker 4: on his own. It's a very lonely decision and it's
30:57
Speaker 4: incredibly momentous, and I'm very glad that it's Donald Trump
31:02
Speaker 4: who's in this position now, who's making that decision, because
31:06
Speaker 4: he's shown to.
31:07
Speaker 6: Be very wise in the past.
31:09
Speaker 4: When he left office after his first term, run was
31:13
Speaker 4: on its knees, it was broke.
31:15
Speaker 6: It didn't have the money.
31:16
Speaker 4: To fund those proxies that attacked Israel on October seven.
31:20
Speaker 4: Israel has now completely degraded. Hezbola, Sirius gone. You know,
31:27
Speaker 4: the Iranians are all alone, and they're at the week
31:31
Speaker 4: as they could possibly be. So, you know, if we
31:34
Speaker 4: want to get rid of that those nuclear facilities, that
31:37
Speaker 4: the time is ripe.
31:39
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. I just want to ask you less about
31:42
Speaker 3: the Middle East. But where you think this emerging philosophical
31:46
Speaker 3: and ideological difference takes the Republican Party. Do you think
31:50
Speaker 3: this is going to be a deepening rift moving forward?
31:52
Speaker 4: I think it just depends how things pan out. Again,
31:56
Speaker 4: this is about trusting Donald Trump. This is what jd
32:00
Speaker 4: Ants has said that everybody needs to do. Trust his instincts.
32:04
Speaker 4: Same with Mike Huckabee, the ambassador. Trust his instincts, and
32:09
Speaker 4: they haven't set him wrong yet.
32:12
Speaker 6: And so you know, if look, if Aram turns.
32:16
Speaker 4: Into World War three and as a disaster, of course,
32:19
Speaker 4: I mean that's you know, his presidency, his place in history,
32:23
Speaker 4: you know, but I mean, who cares. That's small beer
32:26
Speaker 4: compared to the catastrophe. But if he handles this like
32:30
Speaker 4: I think a few presidents could and actually just limits
32:36
Speaker 4: it and manages to help Israel get rid of this
32:39
Speaker 4: nuclear threat to the world, and you know that there
32:44
Speaker 4: is not too much bloodshed and that you know, the
32:48
Speaker 4: Iranian people figure out their own future, but at least
32:52
Speaker 4: it's not a nuclear future. They can do whatever they like,
32:56
Speaker 4: but they can't have a nuclear weapon that threatens everybody
32:59
Speaker 4: in the reading and ultimately all of us.
33:02
Speaker 6: So if he manages to do.
33:04
Speaker 4: That, and I think the chances are good, then I
33:08
Speaker 4: think that he is. You know, he's already very powerful
33:11
Speaker 4: among the MAGA group and then the Republican Party. I
33:15
Speaker 4: think he will just no one will doubt him in
33:18
Speaker 4: the future, but it's very difficult next few days. I
33:22
Speaker 4: wouldn't want to be him, and he does look, you know,
33:25
Speaker 4: uncharacteristically somber and.
33:29
Speaker 6: Burdened by these concerns. He takes it very seriously.
33:33
Speaker 3: I just finally want to ask you about President Trump
33:36
Speaker 3: missing the meeting with Anthony Albanesi. He obviously had to
33:39
Speaker 3: rush back to the situation room, but clearly it was
33:42
Speaker 3: a snub as well, and he must have very little
33:44
Speaker 3: regard for Alberanisi.
33:45
Speaker 2: And who would blame him?
33:47
Speaker 3: I mean, the Australian Prime Minister speaks with more disdain
33:50
Speaker 3: and hostility about the Trump administration than he does about China.
33:55
Speaker 2: Well, what's your view on this?
33:56
Speaker 4: Look, I honestly don't think that he gives Anthony Albanzi
34:01
Speaker 4: a second vote. The reason he came back was because
34:05
Speaker 4: of Iran. It certainly wasn't to snub Anthony Albansi. I
34:09
Speaker 4: don't think he cares less about him.
34:11
Speaker 6: I do think it's.
34:12
Speaker 4: A pity that Australia doesn't have a better relationship with
34:18
Speaker 4: the Trump administration. I think it's very unfortunate that Anthony
34:21
Speaker 4: Albanesi made those comments previously. But I would think that
34:26
Speaker 4: for America's sorry, for Australia's sake, that he and Kevin
34:32
Speaker 4: Rudd and everybody else in the Albanese government would be
34:36
Speaker 4: pulling out all stops to make amends for any of
34:40
Speaker 4: their past statements.
34:42
Speaker 6: It honestly isn't something that's brought up.
34:46
Speaker 4: And I do think that Joe Hockey did a great
34:49
Speaker 4: job as ambassador. He really cultivated Donald Trump, played golf
34:53
Speaker 4: with him, played golf with his cabinet members, played golf
34:55
Speaker 4: with his chief of staff even and there were a
34:59
Speaker 4: couple of really hair moments for Australia that could have
35:01
Speaker 4: hurt Australia, and Joe Hockey papered them over, managed to
35:06
Speaker 4: iron them out.
35:07
Speaker 3: Miranda, thank you so much for your time, really appreciate it.
35:10
Speaker 6: Thank you so much.
35:12
Speaker 2: Well for more in our coverage.
35:13
Speaker 3: Now let's cross live to Israel, where I'm joined for
35:16
Speaker 3: an exclusive interview by Deputy Foreign Minister Sharon Haskell. Sharen,
35:20
Speaker 3: thank you very much for joining us at there's extremely
35:23
Speaker 3: busy time for you.
35:24
Speaker 2: Can you tell us tonight, Sharon, Can you tell.
35:27
Speaker 3: Us tonight how badly, of course morning for you, tonight
35:30
Speaker 3: for us? How badly have the nuclear sites been damaged?
35:34
Speaker 3: And how much more does Israel have to do here?
35:39
Speaker 12: So Israel's operation were extremely extraordinary and very successful. We
35:48
Speaker 12: were able to eliminate almost most of their era defense
35:54
Speaker 12: systems and so we have quite a lot of control
35:58
Speaker 12: of the skies in your That gave us a good
36:02
Speaker 12: range of operating in Iran as well, including prior operations.
36:08
Speaker 12: And in that you know, two of the major nuclear
36:14
Speaker 12: war program sites Natans where they're enriching the uranium was
36:22
Speaker 12: damaged and it is fund the conversion facility was damaged
36:28
Speaker 12: as well. There's still a lot of work that we
36:31
Speaker 12: need to do. There's still more targets, military targets that
36:36
Speaker 12: we need to actually eliminate in order to severely damage
36:42
Speaker 12: to make sure that their nuclear war plan and their
36:46
Speaker 12: nuclear war program is eliminated and is put very far back.
36:53
Speaker 12: And that's what we're doing right now.
36:55
Speaker 3: Can you tell us why it's critical that the far
36:59
Speaker 3: Door fuel enrichment facility is destroyed.
37:04
Speaker 12: Well, this is a major fundamental stone in the nuclear
37:11
Speaker 12: military program as well. But it's not just the military
37:16
Speaker 12: nuclear program. I want to also remind you that we
37:19
Speaker 12: have a major double existential threat. The nuclear program is
37:23
Speaker 12: only one of them. The ballistic missile program is another one,
37:28
Speaker 12: I mean, and they need both of them in order
37:31
Speaker 12: to actually have a nuclear weapon that can threaten humanity. Now,
37:39
Speaker 12: during the last few months they actually accelerated it heavily
37:43
Speaker 12: during negotiations, meaning they deceived the international community. They were
37:50
Speaker 12: using the efforts of negotiation, the diplomatic efforts, in order
37:54
Speaker 12: to advance their war nuclear program goal. And we've seen that.
38:02
Speaker 12: I mean, they right now have enough enriched uranium for
38:07
Speaker 12: almost ten missiles, okay, ten nuclear warheads. Three of them
38:14
Speaker 12: were produced just in the rose recent months when the
38:18
Speaker 12: negotiations were actually taking part. We know who they are,
38:24
Speaker 12: we know what their goal is. It's been declared also
38:28
Speaker 12: by the IAEA just two weeks ago showing how they
38:32
Speaker 12: violated the agreement on purpose as well. There was a
38:36
Speaker 12: motion that was voted on as well that proved how
38:40
Speaker 12: Iran is deceiving and what was the result of that.
38:43
Speaker 12: They said that they will build another enrichment plan as well.
38:48
Speaker 3: It's extraordinary that there's anyone calling for America to return
38:52
Speaker 3: to the negotiating table with Iran.
38:54
Speaker 2: Scharan, I just want to ask you.
38:57
Speaker 3: The President said that Supreme later KMANI won't be killed.
39:01
Speaker 3: For now, is Israel considering taking him out?
39:07
Speaker 2: Look, we have.
39:09
Speaker 12: Two declared goals of warning. This is what we've set
39:11
Speaker 12: for our army. To destroy the nuclear military program, which
39:16
Speaker 12: is an existential threat, and to destroy the ballistic missile program,
39:20
Speaker 12: which is an existential threat as well. During that, in
39:24
Speaker 12: both of these double existential threat, we've eliminated the leadership
39:30
Speaker 12: of both of these military programs terrorist programs. And as
39:36
Speaker 12: we said, you know, this is not one of our goals,
39:40
Speaker 12: but we do see how Iran. You know, while we
39:44
Speaker 12: are targeting military facilities uh uh, terrorist facilities uh and
39:51
Speaker 12: and military elite, they are actually targeting on purpose high
39:56
Speaker 12: civilian population areas.
40:00
Speaker 2: So this is not.
40:01
Speaker 12: Right now one of our aim but if they push it,
40:06
Speaker 12: you know, we cannot promise what will happen.
40:11
Speaker 3: Also afterwards, all right, there you go, leaving on the
40:14
Speaker 3: table the possibility of taking out the Supreme Leader.
40:18
Speaker 2: Sharan Hau School really appreciate your time. Thank you very.
40:21
Speaker 12: Much, Thank you very much.
40:25
Speaker 3: All Right, we've got to take a break and after
40:27
Speaker 3: the break, a record number of businesses have gone under
40:30
Speaker 3: over the past year.
40:31
Speaker 2: That's coming up. Welcome back.
40:37
Speaker 3: We'll almost seven thousand businesses in New South Wales have
40:40
Speaker 3: become insolvent in the past year. There were also over
40:43
Speaker 3: five thousand insolvencies in Victoria and more than three thousand
40:47
Speaker 3: in Queensland. Just as Labor want us to believe the
40:50
Speaker 3: economy is doing better, numbers like this reflect the real.
40:54
Speaker 2: Pain our business sector is in.
40:56
Speaker 3: And joining me now is Business New South Wales Chief
40:58
Speaker 3: executive Daniel Hunter. Judo Bank chief economist Warren Hogan. Welcome
41:02
Speaker 3: to you both, Daniel. These figures are confronting. It's very sad.
41:06
Speaker 3: What are small business owners telling you about the pressure
41:09
Speaker 3: they're under.
41:11
Speaker 13: I think you've heard the nail on the head there
41:13
Speaker 13: that it is actually supreme pressure that they are under.
41:16
Speaker 1: At the moment.
41:17
Speaker 13: What we've seen is nearly half a percent of all
41:20
Speaker 13: businesses in New South Wales going to insolvency in the
41:25
Speaker 13: last eleven months.
41:26
Speaker 1: That's the highest it's been for.
41:29
Speaker 13: Fifteen years here in New South Wales, and that's a
41:32
Speaker 13: really big problem. They're facing increased cross pressures down coupled
41:36
Speaker 13: with consumer demand, which is really well documented has been down.
41:39
Speaker 13: People don't have the money to spend anymore. But it's
41:43
Speaker 13: those unnecessary costs that we really worry about. The insurance
41:46
Speaker 13: costs are really increasing for small and medium businesses.
41:49
Speaker 1: For example, workers compensation bills.
41:52
Speaker 13: Are going up and looking at going up by fifty
41:55
Speaker 13: percent again in the next three years. There is reforms
41:59
Speaker 13: for full government on those sorts of things, but it's
42:01
Speaker 13: just cost on cost on cost, and that's really hard
42:04
Speaker 13: to pass on to consumers at the moment.
42:07
Speaker 3: Welllarren, when you see numbers like this as an economist,
42:10
Speaker 3: I mean, what do they tell you about the overall
42:12
Speaker 3: health of the economy.
42:15
Speaker 11: Yeah, well it tells you it's not great because we've
42:17
Speaker 11: had this massive expansion in the size of government, particularly
42:21
Speaker 11: in the last three years, but gradually for the last
42:24
Speaker 11: eight And of course when the government does this and
42:26
Speaker 11: we haven't seen this since the early seventies, it leaves
42:30
Speaker 11: less for the rest of us, and of course businesses
42:33
Speaker 11: are competing for available workers and of course the cost
42:36
Speaker 11: issues that Daniel rightly pointed out. We might have consumer
42:39
Speaker 11: price inflation down at three percent, but business cost inflation
42:42
Speaker 11: is at least five, if not more. And the only
42:44
Speaker 11: recent consumer price inflations at three is because businesses have
42:48
Speaker 11: had to wear it in margin squeeze, that is, they've
42:50
Speaker 11: had to not pass on those costs, and of course
42:53
Speaker 11: that effects profitability. So we're going to continue to see
42:56
Speaker 11: this because the government's growing and has grown at such
42:59
Speaker 11: a rate that it's squeezing out the private sector I
43:02
Speaker 11: think business.
43:04
Speaker 3: We're also seeing new data revealing that nine million Australians
43:08
Speaker 3: it's hard to actually believe this, nine million Australians currently
43:11
Speaker 3: have less than one thousand dollars in savings. I mean, Daniel,
43:14
Speaker 3: this is extraordinary. You have to wonder how people are surviving,
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Speaker 3: how they're providing for their children, their families.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, that's really deeply concerning at a personal level for
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Speaker 13: everyone that that many people are on the brink. But
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Speaker 13: again it comes back to our consumer demand. People don't
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Speaker 13: have the money in their back pockets, so they're not spending,
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Speaker 13: and then that.
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Speaker 1: Creates a larger impact. People aren't going out, or.
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Speaker 13: If they are going out, they're only going out once
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Speaker 13: a month.
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Speaker 1: They used to go up two or three times a month.
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Speaker 13: They're not going to the movies as much, or only
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Speaker 13: buying one cup of coffee, et cetera. And it's just
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Speaker 13: putting squeeze on a lot of people. And it's not
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Speaker 13: just employed people. You know, we've got business owners here
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Speaker 13: who are taking the risks, really putting themselves out there
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Speaker 13: and to lose everything. Back to the insolvency discussion, it's
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Speaker 13: really difficult out there.
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Speaker 1: I think it's tougher than what people think.
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Speaker 3: Indeed, and Warren, Yet we heard the Treasure of Jim
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Speaker 3: Chalmers today say that the budget is unsustainable.
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Speaker 2: I mean we know that he said it, that it's unsustainable.
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Speaker 2: So it seems that tax heights are likely going to
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Speaker 2: be on their agenda.
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Speaker 3: You know, people are doing it so tough and they
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Speaker 3: get it could face more taxes.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, he didn't say it was unsustainable before the elections,
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Speaker 11: So I mean, I think this just reveals the politics.
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Speaker 11: It's already started at this stage of the game. The
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Speaker 11: speech today, and yes, the reality is is that we
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Speaker 11: already have the highest income tax burden in the world.
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Speaker 11: We're seeing the super operation system cracking and they're trying
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Speaker 11: to change that. And of course it all comes back
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Speaker 11: to the fact that they've unleashed this whole wave of
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Speaker 11: government spending programs, which, although admirable and we'd all like
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Speaker 11: to see as much done to help as many as
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Speaker 11: we can, there's affordability issues and of course functioning of
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Speaker 11: the economy, so you know this is unsustainable. I've been
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Speaker 11: talking about this for a long time. The recognition of
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Speaker 11: it by the Treasure though, doesn't give me any heart,
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Speaker 11: because I don't think what he said today is going
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Speaker 11: to get the job done.
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Speaker 2: The Charmers is also planning a round table for August
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Speaker 2: to deal with productivity.
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Speaker 3: Daniel, if you were given a seat at the table,
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Speaker 3: what would you be suggesting that the government do.
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Speaker 13: I look, my wish would be tax reform, meaningful tax reform.
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Speaker 13: We haven't seen it here in Australia since the Howard era.
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Speaker 13: We've got some really forward thinking state governments here in Australia,
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Speaker 13: or labor governments here in New South Wales and South Australia.
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Speaker 13: I think they would be keen to get around the
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Speaker 13: table and look at removing some of those really inefficient taxes.
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Speaker 1: And it needs large scale tax reform.
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Speaker 13: So we really would love to get rid of things
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Speaker 13: like stamp duty, emergency services levies, things like that that
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Speaker 13: really don't promote growth and don't route promote productivity.
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Speaker 1: So that would be my much meaningful tax reform would
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Speaker 1: be a.
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Speaker 3: Good one, Warren, what do you think the government should
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Speaker 3: do to lift productivity?
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Speaker 2: What's the biggest issue?
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Speaker 11: Well, the most alarming part of the speech, and it
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Speaker 11: was the finish of it from the Treasurer said it
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Speaker 11: won't fail because of a shortage of ideas, opinions and choices.
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Speaker 11: It won't be a shortage of courage. It'll be a
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Speaker 11: shortage of consensus. And I agree with him, but of
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Speaker 11: course he's spilling out a whole bunch of solutions that
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Speaker 11: aren't going to fix it because they're not even recognizing
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Speaker 11: the problem. And the problem is that we have a
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Speaker 11: completely different demographic situation to what we had for the
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Speaker 11: last sixty years. We have labor shortages, and of course
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Speaker 11: that means we have got to get our workers into
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Speaker 11: the most useful parts of the economy. But at the
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Speaker 11: same time, the government's expanding in a very labor intensive
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Speaker 11: way through the care economy, and it's just crushing business.
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Speaker 11: The availability of labor is the biggest issue for business,
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Speaker 11: on top of the cost issues and the tax issues.
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Speaker 11: So the issue that I see is that they want
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Speaker 11: a consensus, but they're not even addressing the core problem.
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Speaker 11: They're not even recognizing it. And of course the policies
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Speaker 11: they're pursuing, the strategy they have for the last three years,
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Speaker 11: is completely at odds with the problem and the situation
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Speaker 11: we face. So I am very, very worried that this
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Speaker 11: roundtable is just going to be another political talk fest,
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Speaker 11: not actually getting us to the point where we're all
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Speaker 11: on the same page about the problem we're solving.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, indeed, and of course the unions will be part
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Speaker 3: of that as well, Right, Warren and Dan, you'll appreciate
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Speaker 3: your time tonight. Now after the break, Iranians flee Tehran
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Speaker 3: as many hope for a regime change. An Iranian activist
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Speaker 3: will join me next. Well, there are major traffic jams
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Speaker 3: as Iranians flee Tehran after warnings.
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Speaker 2: From America and Israel.
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Speaker 3: It's a tough time, but many Iranians are still hoping
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Speaker 3: for regime change. Iranian activist Elaheair Jammalie joins me live
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Speaker 3: from London, olaheare, thank you for your time.
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Speaker 2: Look when you look at.
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Speaker 3: The footage of Iranians evacuating their city, it's undoubtedly tough.
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Speaker 3: How will they cope again? Do you think the prayer
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Speaker 3: for regime change is a common sentiment in Iran?
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Speaker 12: Good afternoon and good evening to the Australians.
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Speaker 6: Thank you for having me on your program tonight.
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Speaker 14: What I have to say what Iranians are currently facing is.
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Speaker 1: There only and one and only imminent.
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Speaker 10: Chance for taking action against this regime because the regime
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Speaker 10: is currently at its weakest. Iranian people have been asking
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Speaker 10: and asking the international community to back them in this
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Speaker 10: move against the regime for years.
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Speaker 1: For multiple years, there has been multiple.
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Speaker 10: Uprisings in Iran where Iranian people did not have access
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Speaker 10: to any sort.
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Speaker 6: Of power against this regime.
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Speaker 14: Their uprisings were met with massacres and killings of Iranian
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Speaker 14: people up until a few days ago. Even the day
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Speaker 14: before the war began. Five days ago, mojile hed Corecor,
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Speaker 14: an innocent Iranian man was executed.
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Speaker 10: From the people who were kept in prison since the
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Speaker 10: Massamini Iranian National Revolution that's started in twenty twenty two.
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Speaker 14: So what we are witnessing right now is.
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Speaker 10: The lights of Iranian people for regime change as they
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Speaker 10: are forced into experiencing and.
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Speaker 6: Becoming human shields for this regime.
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Speaker 10: We have witnessed over the past five days that Israel
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Speaker 10: is not intent on killing Iranian people.
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Speaker 14: Sibian life have been taken in this horrible situation that
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Speaker 14: my country is currently facing.
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Speaker 10: But this was a war that the Islamic Republic welcomed
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Speaker 10: to Iran by.
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Speaker 14: Making every making sure every morning the chance of death
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Speaker 14: to Israel and death to America are echoing throughout the
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Speaker 14: cities and throughout the schools, whether it is a primary
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Speaker 14: school or my school, and.
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Speaker 6: All of its universities.
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Speaker 15: In every single mask or public space, the Islamic Republic
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Speaker 15: uses to push forward its propaganda and it's only it's
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Speaker 15: nice for regime change.
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Speaker 2: Indeed it is.
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Speaker 3: And let's hope Iranians rise up. Elahair, appreciate your time.
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Speaker 3: Thank you so much.
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Speaker 2: All right, we'll be back after this quick break.
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Speaker 3: We're out of time. Big show tomorrow night, don't miss
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Speaker 3: at eight o'clock.
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Speaker 2: Here's poor Murray