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#297 - Cassidy · The Bootleg Kev Podcast

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Speaker 1: Year year. This Cassidy the Hustler. You already know how
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Speaker 1: I carry and then check me out right now on
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Speaker 1: CAV podcast Man special guests in here. Cassidy welcome, thanks
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Speaker 1: for having me. Boy. Listen, you are one of my
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Speaker 1: favorite rappers. Brou like when I was a kid. Man, Listen,
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Speaker 1: I bought Split Personality. I'm a hustler bars all that shit. Man. Nah,
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Speaker 1: I appreciate you. Man. I always say when it comes
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Speaker 1: to like and it did it without you? If you
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Speaker 1: ain't buy it, I wouldn't it so allowed on records, yo, Listen,
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Speaker 1: when it comes to like punchlines, I always say it's
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Speaker 1: you and Lloyd Banks as the ghats man. That's hard yeah. Man.
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Speaker 1: So it's good to see you brother. I'm just happy
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Speaker 1: I'm in the conversation. You know, everybody have a different
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Speaker 1: group of people they put me in the conversation with.
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Speaker 1: But I'm just happy I'm in it all the time.
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Speaker 1: What was that talking about the best punches and then
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Speaker 1: you had that had that record where you was the
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Speaker 1: intro where you was battling yourself. Yeah, I got another
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Speaker 1: one too. I just did arp rb E Real Breed
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Speaker 1: and the team and he hosted it. Okay, came to
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Speaker 1: the stud through some money on the ground for me
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Speaker 1: to battle myself and I did a new one so
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Speaker 1: it'll be out. So on what was that the Hustler
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Speaker 1: verse the what was the name of the record? I
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Speaker 1: did two of them. It was the intro on one
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Speaker 1: of your albums for you. It was like it was
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Speaker 1: the Hustler versus the on the Bars album and I'm
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Speaker 1: a hustle album. Yeah, man, crazy man. One time I
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Speaker 1: did the Problem versus the Hustler, and that's the one.
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Speaker 1: I'm thinking it was the Hustler versus Bars. Well, listen, mans,
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Speaker 1: have you here? You've been doing a lot of battling
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Speaker 1: too lately. Yeah. Yeah, I'm back man, I'm back in
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Speaker 1: the in the ring in my bag. It got me
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Speaker 1: feeling young again. You know. That's how it started the music, battling,
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Speaker 1: being competitive. So it's helping me get back to my roots.
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Speaker 1: I was gonna say for you, is it like you've
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Speaker 1: had such a long journey through music? Do you do
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Speaker 1: you feel like because I feel like when when people
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Speaker 1: see some of these lineups, right, And I was just
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Speaker 1: talking to a ness about this. Like I'm like, like
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Speaker 1: the battle rap world is such a like niche hip
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Speaker 1: hop space that like people can be like real hardcore
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Speaker 1: hip hop heads and really not be super tapped in
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Speaker 1: what's going on in the battle world. You know what
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Speaker 1: I'm saying. Of course it's his own it's his own universe, man, right,
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Speaker 1: you know, And you're like a name where if you're
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Speaker 1: on the fly er, like anybody's like, oh, that's Cassidy.
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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like you're bringing eyes to
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Speaker 1: that world that maybe not would have checked it out otherwise,
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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So you find it easy
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Speaker 1: for you to thrive in that space in terms of
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Speaker 1: like because you're bringing like you kind of bringing a
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Speaker 1: lot of eyes to it. So I'm sure you could
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Speaker 1: charge more than most people. Yeah, like that lane, that
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Speaker 1: form of bad le rap I started it, Like, nobody
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Speaker 1: never really seen that form of bad or rap before
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Speaker 1: they've seen me in a freeway battle legendary. You might
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Speaker 1: have heard about it, especially if you wasn't really in
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Speaker 1: the industry and super connected, you might have heard about it,
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Speaker 1: but you never actually got a chance to see it,
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Speaker 1: especially on camera. So that was the first time people
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Speaker 1: got a chance to see like somebody face to face
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Speaker 1: being competitive, snap into no beat and like to no
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Speaker 1: real flow, like just talking to each other. That was
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Speaker 1: the first time people really got to see it. So
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Speaker 1: that's that paved the way to all of these leagues starting.
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Speaker 1: So I felt like I started all of this right
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Speaker 1: and I inspired like ninety nine point nine percent of
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Speaker 1: the people that do it to do it, if not
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Speaker 1: one hundred percent. So that's the reason why I feel
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Speaker 1: like I deserve the money. I run things, and when
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Speaker 1: I come back, I shake it up, and that's why
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Speaker 1: that part of the culture respond like they do when
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Speaker 1: I'm back because they know the work I put in. Yeah, Yo,
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Speaker 1: the night that you battled Freeway, give me the background
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Speaker 1: of that night, because was it they weren't hot ninety
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Speaker 1: seven that night or something? Yeah, earlier that night. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I started it, and then Swiss was like, I got
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Speaker 1: it because obviously free from Philly. You're from Philly. So
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Speaker 1: that happened at a recording studio. Yeah, So did you
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Speaker 1: pull up knowing y'all were going to battle? And did
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Speaker 1: he know you guys were going to battle? Nah? I
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Speaker 1: was already in the studio and I went to McDonald's
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Speaker 1: when I heard them on the radio rapping and talking
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Speaker 1: about they want to battle and anybody could get it.
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Speaker 1: So they wasn't talking about me, but I felt like
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Speaker 1: they was. So when I got back to the studio,
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Speaker 1: I told Swiss about it and he like, all right,
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Speaker 1: don't madic jay Z coming to the studio tonight anyway.
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Speaker 1: So I'm just sitting around and when jay Z got there,
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Speaker 1: he introduced them to me, introduced me is like him
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Speaker 1: like the next one, and jay Z took offense today
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Speaker 1: like what you ain't hit my artist? I got the
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Speaker 1: artist niggas in That's how I started gaining competitive hoh,
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Speaker 1: start talking. He called them up. We called our people's up.
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Speaker 1: Next thing, you know, the studio was crowded and we battled.
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Speaker 1: Oh man, that was a legendary moment. Man, I'd heard
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Speaker 1: that you guys were supposed to run it back. It
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Speaker 1: just didn't it getting worked out. Yeah, it was supposed
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Speaker 1: to be with the U r L with Smack. We
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Speaker 1: were supposed to do another one, but I don't know
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Speaker 1: business wise and ain't paying out. Didn't line up. Yeah
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Speaker 1: that's fair. Yeah, that was a I feel like that
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Speaker 1: because correct me if I'm wrong, but that came out.
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Speaker 1: Did that video come out like right away or was
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Speaker 1: it like later on that we actually saw the video. Nah,
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Speaker 1: it took some time at first. At first it was
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Speaker 1: it was on audio, like a DJ got a copy
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Speaker 1: of the tape and put it on audio, so a
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Speaker 1: lot of people only they just had it on Napster.
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Speaker 1: Would you like download battles off Napster? And I think
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Speaker 1: it was even before that time because it was on
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Speaker 1: VHS tape. So the DJ put it on you know,
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Speaker 1: CD on mixtape, and that's how people started to hear
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Speaker 1: it around, you know, around the world. They was hearing
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Speaker 1: the audio but didn't see the visual, and it was
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Speaker 1: floating around in the industry. Certain key people got a
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Speaker 1: chance to see the visual, but the Internet wasn't out.
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Speaker 1: It was like it was like some word of mouth
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Speaker 1: shit like yo, I saw this tape. Dah that shit
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Speaker 1: don't exist, Like no, I saw it, Yeah, exactly. And
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Speaker 1: it was no YouTube, no Internet for people to really
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Speaker 1: get access to it. So it was just like big
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Speaker 1: on the streets and building up for a long period
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Speaker 1: of time. And then when YouTube and the Internet dropped
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Speaker 1: and everything, then they re uploaded it and people started
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Speaker 1: getting to see it all around the world. Yeah, no, legendary, man.
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Speaker 1: So you take me back to obviously the full surface
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Speaker 1: era was crazy. Uh you had three great bodies of work,
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Speaker 1: hit records, all of that. What was it like running
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Speaker 1: around in Arizona with DMX and Swiss Beats in the
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Speaker 1: early two thousands brouh, Yeah it was. It was dope, man.
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Speaker 1: It was fun. Man. For people who don't know. Swiss
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Speaker 1: Beats had kind of like planted his feet pretty heavy
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Speaker 1: out in as he was a part owner of like
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Speaker 1: a car dealership, a nightclub that's at the same time
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Speaker 1: MX is out there, and it was a lot of
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Speaker 1: energy out there. And I'm from Azy, so I got
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Speaker 1: to ask because I know you were out there a lot. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it was a lot of energy. I liked it. I
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Speaker 1: mean I was from Philly, man, so you know you
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Speaker 1: have a you've been to Philly. You see. I just
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Speaker 1: told Nests I've literally just rode a train through Philly
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Speaker 1: from DC to New York and and I was telling
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Speaker 1: him how we stopped in Chester at like one of
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Speaker 1: the stops, and I looked outside and I was like,
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Speaker 1: what the fuck where are we at? Bro? Yeah, Well,
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Speaker 1: if you ever go to Philly. I mean it's some
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Speaker 1: nice parts, but the majority of the parts is like
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Speaker 1: a big difference from Arizona. So when I got over
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Speaker 1: there and I've seen how people living, how nice it is,
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Speaker 1: and I mean how dope it was. And plus I'm
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Speaker 1: out there working on my music, so I got a
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Speaker 1: different type of reception. So I was loving it, man
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Speaker 1: Swiss at the club I was performing there, it was live.
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Speaker 1: Was turned. What was like being around DMX during that
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Speaker 1: era of X, because that was like he was like
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Speaker 1: in the desert with them ATVs. Heavy Man. Yeah, I
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Speaker 1: actually went back to Arizona too, like for my third
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Speaker 1: album when I after I fought the case and I
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Speaker 1: came home, I started working on a new project. I
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Speaker 1: went to Arizona to do that before the accident, and
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Speaker 1: that was like the last time I was like really
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Speaker 1: around X. Went to his crib, brought Doctor Benjamin to
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Speaker 1: his house. Now doctor Benjamin was in the Belly movie
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Speaker 1: with him preaching to him and all of that. So
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Speaker 1: then I'll bring him to X house and we vibing out,
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Speaker 1: chilling and it was dope. Man. X was in a
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Speaker 1: positive zone. I was liking how he was, I mean
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Speaker 1: carrying it at that time. And one of the memorable
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Speaker 1: moments is when he showed me this giant scorpion we
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Speaker 1: was riding past. He was on the foe wheeler, he
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Speaker 1: was in the car. He was leading us back out
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Speaker 1: to the road to leave, and then he turned around.
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Speaker 1: He said, yo, y'all want to see a scorpion and
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Speaker 1: we like yeah, and he took a rock and he
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Speaker 1: threw it down and then like made the scorpion tail
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Speaker 1: come off and he picked it up like this, and
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Speaker 1: then poison was dripping in me like look, look, and
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Speaker 1: that's I heard. His crip was like like in care free,
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Speaker 1: like deep, like yeah, and that's how I remember them,
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Speaker 1: Like he was just like he ain't give a fuck
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Speaker 1: about and he was just wild but good dude. So
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Speaker 1: that's the last memory I meant remember with X and Arizona, Yes,
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Speaker 1: busting a scorpion stinger off and yeah yeah, with Doctor
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Speaker 1: Ben him and Belly and the whole vibe it was.
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Speaker 1: It was it was super dope. Yeah. Man, it's crazy
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Speaker 1: because you've you've been a part of some historical movements
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Speaker 1: in hip hop man, so it's hope to kind of
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Speaker 1: see you get this this battle run in you that's
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Speaker 1: like you're like one of the IT battlers now and
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Speaker 1: you're kind of like helping carry the scene now. So
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Speaker 1: you know, I feel like it's just it's just good
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Speaker 1: to see man. For you, How are you adjusting because
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Speaker 1: you've been through so many eras of this music ship,
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Speaker 1: Like how do you adjust with the new way with
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Speaker 1: the world in which TikTok is a big part of
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Speaker 1: what breaks and you know there's not a you have
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Speaker 1: more of a direct line of communication with your fans now,
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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like like you feel like
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Speaker 1: you're adjusting to the new era this shit like pretty well, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean I don't got to adjust. I'm living through it.
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Speaker 1: I mean so, and I'm not stuck in my ways,
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Speaker 1: Like I'm not stuck in the old waves or the
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Speaker 1: old form of down business. Like I move where however
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Speaker 1: things are going. And I got a team. I got sons,
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, sons. A son that's nineteen,
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Speaker 1: a son that's fourteen, Like they like super into technology
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Speaker 1: and the new waves of what's going on. Yeah, so
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Speaker 1: they put me on. I got a team myself that
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Speaker 1: I do music with that's all different ages, Like you
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Speaker 1: know what I mean in all different places in their
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Speaker 1: life that be putting me on. So that's how I'm
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Speaker 1: able to stay on top of things. And I make
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Speaker 1: sure I just stay on top of being dope and
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Speaker 1: being a rapper. You got a team of people that
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Speaker 1: to figure out how I stay on top of ten
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Speaker 1: technology for you. Give me your top five punchline rappers. Ever,
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Speaker 1: let's exclude you because you're in that. I got you
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Speaker 1: a top two. I told you. But but who who's
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Speaker 1: who's in the five? Who got the best punch lines
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Speaker 1: of hip hop history? Man? Outside of yourself laughing? That's
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Speaker 1: Big L of this, Big Daddy Kane and g rap
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Speaker 1: Yo Big Daddy Kane. He said that ship on a
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Speaker 1: kick with it, pard of me, but I'm fucking sick
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Speaker 1: with it. Big Daddy k Man for sure. Daddy Kane
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Speaker 1: is a legend. Man. That's like my I named dudes
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, I'd be with my wife
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16:43
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16:51
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Speaker 1: one of the best R. Kelly features ever is obviously Hotel,
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Speaker 1: artist was like he was like a savant, like Rainman
17:37
Speaker 1: type shit. You know what I'm saying, Like, what was
17:39
Speaker 1: it like? Did you guys do that in studio together? Yeah?
17:43
Speaker 1: So you got that was like you were in a
17:45
Speaker 1: session with Kels as he's cutting that. What was that
17:47
Speaker 1: studio session? Like? It was my first time meeting him,
17:53
Speaker 1: and I think it was my first time to Chicago too,
17:57
Speaker 1: So you guys went to Chicago. Yeah, and you know,
18:01
Speaker 1: Swizzerland was telling me, you know, different stuff or how
18:04
Speaker 1: it might be. But when we went in there, I'm
18:06
Speaker 1: a super fan of R Kelly me too, like my
18:08
Speaker 1: older brother that raised me, Like you know, we used
18:11
Speaker 1: to ride around in the hood banging that like banging
18:13
Speaker 1: R Kelly song loud, like I was a super fan.
18:17
Speaker 1: So to know that I'm working on my first album,
18:21
Speaker 1: finally got budgets opened and it's like big yeah, and
18:24
Speaker 1: I'm working on my first single with R Kelly and
18:27
Speaker 1: Swiss Beats produced it, and I'm It's like so I
18:32
Speaker 1: was excited. I was super happy on I got in
18:35
Speaker 1: the studio and even Twister came through. I remember Twister
18:40
Speaker 1: came through the studio and me and Twister like start rapping.
18:45
Speaker 1: I think Twist to spit some bars. I spit some
18:48
Speaker 1: bars and we basically me and Swiss just was there.
18:54
Speaker 1: Swiss started explaining the record, like how was the Swiss's
18:57
Speaker 1: idea to do the hotel concept or was it R
19:00
Speaker 1: Kelly's idea? Yeah, it was Swiss idea. It was like
19:08
Speaker 1: a collaboration. It was we we already had the idea
19:12
Speaker 1: that we wanted to do this hotel record when we
19:15
Speaker 1: went to go see R Kelly. So it was already
19:19
Speaker 1: like an idea we had. We already had the beat,
19:22
Speaker 1: and we already like had the direction a little bit,
19:24
Speaker 1: but once you told R. Kelly like the idea, he
19:28
Speaker 1: just went crazy in his own direction and started singing
19:31
Speaker 1: a bunch of stuff. He went in the booth and
19:33
Speaker 1: went crazy and started doing a lot of things that
19:36
Speaker 1: we could have used for a hook. So he was
19:38
Speaker 1: just cut melodies off the top of his head type ship. Yeah,
19:41
Speaker 1: we just chose that little piece that you know as
19:44
Speaker 1: the Hotel chorus now. But he did a lot of
19:48
Speaker 1: a lot of different parts and a lot of different
19:50
Speaker 1: other versions of hooks, Like we did the remix too,
19:54
Speaker 1: off the same session, So it's just parts of the
19:58
Speaker 1: parts that I told you he did that he didn't
20:00
Speaker 1: use just for the remix. But there's so many ladies
20:04
Speaker 1: like he just went in different bags. He he creative man,
20:08
Speaker 1: the nigga talented. I forgot to tell you too before
20:11
Speaker 1: he went in a booth. On the Hotel beat, it
20:13
Speaker 1: was like a beat tape playing of like thirty beats,
20:17
Speaker 1: just playing back to back. And he wouldn't say skip
20:21
Speaker 1: none of them. He wouldn't be like I don't like
20:23
Speaker 1: him or nothing like that. It's like no, no, no no,
20:26
Speaker 1: I don't think they were just someone else's be just
20:28
Speaker 1: to BCD's playing. Yeah, it wasn't Swiss. I don't know who, right,
20:33
Speaker 1: but it was just a tape playing and every beat
20:35
Speaker 1: that come on. As soon as the beat drop, he
20:37
Speaker 1: was singing a dope record to it. Shit sounded like
20:39
Speaker 1: a smash hit everyone. It's like right off the top hill,
20:44
Speaker 1: he'll hear it. While the intro on. As soon as
20:46
Speaker 1: the beat drop, he starts singing some fire shit like
20:49
Speaker 1: and he did that ship to every beat like he
20:52
Speaker 1: kept doing it. So I'm like, yo, this nigga is
20:54
Speaker 1: not regularly like yeah, he different. I think back to
20:59
Speaker 1: one of my favorite records that was more like an
21:01
Speaker 1: album cut. You had a record called six Minutes that
21:05
Speaker 1: was it was you Wayne and Joel's right or was
21:07
Speaker 1: it that right? I wish I got to go back
21:11
Speaker 1: on the last question. Sorry, I wish I got a
21:12
Speaker 1: chance to like bust it up with anymore, like really key, Yeah,
21:16
Speaker 1: what type of duty is? Because we never really got
21:18
Speaker 1: a chance to what was the video shoot? Like, no,
21:20
Speaker 1: it was the first time I met him, and then
21:22
Speaker 1: the second time I met him was the video shoot. Yeah,
21:25
Speaker 1: and I never got a chance to meet him after that. Yeah,
21:27
Speaker 1: really didn't like bullshit or kick like like kind of
21:29
Speaker 1: he did. It feel like he was kind of helped,
21:31
Speaker 1: like helping swizz out, you know what I'm saying, Like
21:33
Speaker 1: more like that. Yeah, I mean it was my first project.
21:36
Speaker 1: I ain't have no records out, so I really had
21:38
Speaker 1: nothing for him to really right, you know, be connected
21:42
Speaker 1: to me. It's just I was connected to something big,
21:45
Speaker 1: which was full Surface Swiss and then Jay Records Clive Davis,
21:49
Speaker 1: I had to you know what I mean. You one
21:51
Speaker 1: of the first. It was like you Andlicia Keys. Who
21:54
Speaker 1: else was on Jay wasn't Baby bas J Records, Mario
21:57
Speaker 1: was on J Records. Yeah, I feel like you were
22:01
Speaker 1: one of the first people. Don't like I feel like
22:03
Speaker 1: it was. I feel like it was you or Alicia
22:06
Speaker 1: Keys where I first saw J Records pop up. Yeah
22:09
Speaker 1: I was. I was. I was one of them, you know,
22:12
Speaker 1: first artist especially rap us. Yeah. Man, Yeah, but you
22:17
Speaker 1: had it. I feel like I was super excited because
22:18
Speaker 1: I had heard your mixtape shit or I heard you
22:21
Speaker 1: on some mixed because I used to sell mixtapes at
22:24
Speaker 1: the Swap Me That's how I got my name. And
22:25
Speaker 1: I was like fifteen sixteen, so like I remember just
22:28
Speaker 1: like there was I think it was some funk Flex
22:30
Speaker 1: shit you did. There was like a random funk Flex
22:33
Speaker 1: mixtape and he wasn't doing a lot of mixtapes, but
22:35
Speaker 1: but you were. You had a Verse on a mixtape
22:36
Speaker 1: that Flex was on or something, and I just you have, man.
22:40
Speaker 1: I remember just hearing like two or three and me
22:42
Speaker 1: and my best friend ramses like, Yo, this guy. Now
22:46
Speaker 1: that's what we could wait for that first album. Man,
22:49
Speaker 1: it was crazy too. Yeah, I was super prepared. I
22:52
Speaker 1: was like battling in Philly for years on his radio
22:56
Speaker 1: show called The Cipher. So by the time I got signed,
22:59
Speaker 1: you were already ready. And then it took years for
23:02
Speaker 1: me to actually go from getting signed because I got
23:05
Speaker 1: signed the Rough Riders first when I was seventeen, and
23:08
Speaker 1: I ain't really come out with like my first project
23:10
Speaker 1: till I was twenty one, So it was like four years.
23:14
Speaker 1: It's almost like wrap, like like colge camp college. Yeah,
23:17
Speaker 1: and then you graduated exactly. Was there ever any other
23:21
Speaker 1: big battles that you were a part of that never
23:24
Speaker 1: got filmed or that you know back from that era
23:27
Speaker 1: where you're like, man, if that would have been on YouTube,
23:29
Speaker 1: it would have went crazy. Yeah, thousands of them, thousands
23:34
Speaker 1: who else did you go up against it? You think
23:35
Speaker 1: you know? I mean, obviously in hindsight, it would have
23:38
Speaker 1: been nice if you recorded them, But yeah, I don't
23:41
Speaker 1: them battles that I did was like over twenty years ago, right,
23:46
Speaker 1: so I don't be liking to bring them up. It
23:48
Speaker 1: was a long time time. Yeah, I forgot about a
23:51
Speaker 1: lot of dudes that they don't hold no weight, and
23:52
Speaker 1: then the ones that did that, I might remember some
23:55
Speaker 1: of them is still like active trying to do stuff,
23:58
Speaker 1: or might have moved on and don't win to bring
24:00
Speaker 1: that up. So I don't really want to. I read
24:02
Speaker 1: to somebody else do it BYO sa yo. I was
24:05
Speaker 1: there and I seen cash killers person or but it
24:08
Speaker 1: is tapes around and there's a bunch of people that
24:10
Speaker 1: was there, so I read there just go like that
24:13
Speaker 1: I was. I brought up that six minutes record you
24:15
Speaker 1: had with Wayne. You that record came out right around
24:19
Speaker 1: the time when I feel like Wayne was like making
24:24
Speaker 1: that transition from being the dude we knew from like
24:26
Speaker 1: the Hot Boys and like lights out Wayne to being
24:30
Speaker 1: like Carter one, Carter two Wayne, where he really kind
24:33
Speaker 1: of was like finally getting rid because for a long
24:37
Speaker 1: time I feel like people didn't give a lot of
24:38
Speaker 1: the cash money guys, respect us rappers. And then I
24:41
Speaker 1: think Carter one changed that whole trajectory for Wayne. What
24:44
Speaker 1: was that record like, because that's a record where everyone's
24:46
Speaker 1: just kind of going in. What year was that was that?
24:50
Speaker 1: Oh six oh six minutes when that came? Because that
24:55
Speaker 1: was on your second album? Yeah, so five yeah, oh
24:58
Speaker 1: five oh six, So yeah, that's like legit, like right
25:01
Speaker 1: after Carter one. So what was that like? Was did
25:04
Speaker 1: you guys get in for that? Was that like a
25:06
Speaker 1: very competitive session? Yeah? Me came through. I was in
25:10
Speaker 1: New York and Wayne came through. I was in the
25:14
Speaker 1: studio with Fab a lot back then, so you know
25:16
Speaker 1: what I mean. Fab came through the studio. Also an
25:18
Speaker 1: amazing punchline rapper, some of the greatest lines ever. For sure.
25:22
Speaker 1: We really locked in. We wasn't really like sending records
25:25
Speaker 1: or nothing like that, Like they came through the studio.
25:28
Speaker 1: We really locked in and made it happen. And I
25:31
Speaker 1: was I was the one that put that record together,
25:34
Speaker 1: Like it wasn't like a label thing or something like that,
25:36
Speaker 1: like because you were tapped in with what was going
25:38
Speaker 1: on with Wayne. Yeah, and I knew Wayne was rapping
25:41
Speaker 1: at the time, and I knew that Fab was rapping
25:44
Speaker 1: at the time. So if all of us came in
25:47
Speaker 1: went crazy like that, no hook, and don't gotta even
25:50
Speaker 1: be about no hook trying to make a hit record.
25:52
Speaker 1: I know we could do that, that's easy, but just
25:55
Speaker 1: talking about spitting and I knew that to make make
25:58
Speaker 1: a mark. So that's why I want to put that
26:00
Speaker 1: record together. Is that a competitive session? Like who's like?
26:05
Speaker 1: Like I can only imagine, because you know, nowadays people
26:07
Speaker 1: send records out. You hear a verse, you put your
26:10
Speaker 1: verse on it, you send it back. I can't imagine
26:12
Speaker 1: all three of y'all in there. Just yeah. I think
26:17
Speaker 1: ever since I came out, I just changed the trajectory
26:21
Speaker 1: of how shit was going. Like, I made it more competitive.
26:24
Speaker 1: It made you had to be more lyrical, made you
26:27
Speaker 1: have to have more punchlines and lyrics and piece up
26:30
Speaker 1: more syllables just to sound like you were spitting, right,
26:34
Speaker 1: because before you ain't have nothing else to compare it to.
26:36
Speaker 1: But when you could listen to me doing it like this,
26:39
Speaker 1: if you're supposed to be lyrical, you gotta be doing
26:41
Speaker 1: it to a certain level. So around that time, I
26:44
Speaker 1: came out, you started to see a lot of people
26:46
Speaker 1: change more punchlines, piecing up more syllables, changing they flow,
26:50
Speaker 1: not trying to be exactly like me, but knowing that
26:53
Speaker 1: you had to go in that direction to be successful. Yeah,
26:56
Speaker 1: for sure, I mean you town. You guys also kicked
26:58
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27:04
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27:06
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27:09
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27:12
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27:17
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27:19
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27:22
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27:25
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27:27
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27:29
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29:36
Speaker 1: like man, Because you are such a prolific writer, you
29:39
Speaker 1: come up with these concepts, You come up with these
29:42
Speaker 1: bars that are so fucking crazy. So for you, is
29:44
Speaker 1: this off the top? Are you cutting melodies for us?
29:48
Speaker 1: Are you in your phone writing? Like? What is your
29:50
Speaker 1: writing process like when you're cutting records. I've been writing
29:53
Speaker 1: in for so long and I make so many records
29:56
Speaker 1: all above, Like I could do it all. I got
29:59
Speaker 1: Wow Ammo on my phone, my computer, in my book bag,
30:04
Speaker 1: I got like five wrap books. Sometimes I never wrote that,
30:10
Speaker 1: just kept it in my head and went and laid it. Yeah,
30:13
Speaker 1: people do witnessed me do it all different type of ways.
30:16
Speaker 1: And because I'm so active and try to stay on
30:19
Speaker 1: top of it, I'll be figuring that that's the best
30:22
Speaker 1: way to do it, not just one way. Like sometimes
30:24
Speaker 1: when I get the time, I like to write. That's
30:26
Speaker 1: the best way. I feel like seeing actually what you
30:29
Speaker 1: think about and writing it down is the best process
30:32
Speaker 1: to me. But I wish a lot of these kids
30:37
Speaker 1: would write more and not punching, because I feel like
30:40
Speaker 1: when you write, I feel like there's something about that
30:42
Speaker 1: process where you like the punching enthit is cool, but
30:46
Speaker 1: I feel like it's on the fly, so you're really
30:49
Speaker 1: not putting too much thought into each each line. Like
30:52
Speaker 1: if it comes out cool, it comes out cool, But
30:54
Speaker 1: I feel like what motherfucker's right? Like who was on
30:56
Speaker 1: our show recently? They said they stopped punching and they
30:58
Speaker 1: started writing somebody Like once I started writing, like my
31:02
Speaker 1: shit just got better, got sharper because every line, really
31:04
Speaker 1: I got to write it down, Like you know what
31:06
Speaker 1: I mean, Like this whole generation they just be punching in. Man,
31:10
Speaker 1: you've been through so many of a couple of words.
31:12
Speaker 1: Say it. You know, They'll be like, what's something cool
31:15
Speaker 1: I could say here? And then they go to the
31:16
Speaker 1: next line. You know, I mean, I was gonna say
31:18
Speaker 1: this whole well you specifically, man, your career, your life.
31:22
Speaker 1: You've been through so many peaks and valleys that we've
31:24
Speaker 1: got to witness as fans. What has inspired you to
31:31
Speaker 1: just keep going? Man? Because you know, I feel like
31:35
Speaker 1: you've been through a lot and a lot of the
31:38
Speaker 1: shit you've been through that we've got to see you
31:39
Speaker 1: go through might break somebody or might you know, throw
31:44
Speaker 1: a real fork in their career. And it feels like
31:46
Speaker 1: you're in your bag right now. It feels like you're
31:49
Speaker 1: really on top of your ship. I think the reason
31:51
Speaker 1: why I started doing this started wanting the rat when
31:54
Speaker 1: I was super young, before I have responsibilities or was
31:58
Speaker 1: looking at it like a business. I just wanted to
32:00
Speaker 1: be the best, right, So that's why I fell in
32:03
Speaker 1: love with it for bars, for lyrics and wanting to
32:05
Speaker 1: be the best. And I still got that passion to
32:08
Speaker 1: this day. So a lot of people be in it
32:10
Speaker 1: for business reasons. So when they find out how shisty
32:13
Speaker 1: this industry is, how fucked up the business is, then
32:16
Speaker 1: it's like, how can you keep motivation? If you was
32:18
Speaker 1: in it for business and you find out how fucked
32:20
Speaker 1: up the business is, what's gonna keep you? Gonna keep you? Yeah,
32:23
Speaker 1: what's gonna keep you in it? If you got in
32:25
Speaker 1: it for the like look like the other rappers aware
32:28
Speaker 1: the jury and you find out that a lot of
32:30
Speaker 1: them fucked up, a lot of the jury fake or
32:33
Speaker 1: even the ones that's real, the jewelers getting over on niggas,
32:35
Speaker 1: and you start finding out all the behind the scenes details.
32:39
Speaker 1: Everything don't make you had to drive like when you
32:42
Speaker 1: were a kid and uninformed. But the reason why I
32:45
Speaker 1: wanted to do it is still violid, Like I want
32:47
Speaker 1: to be the best. I like to impress people with
32:50
Speaker 1: what I think about, Like how I'm able to just
32:53
Speaker 1: come up with thoughts, write it down or say it
32:57
Speaker 1: and impress people. That's what I wanted to be the
33:00
Speaker 1: best at. So that's what motivate me to keep going.
33:02
Speaker 1: And no matter what I do, like no matter how
33:05
Speaker 1: much money I get, no matter what position I'm in
33:07
Speaker 1: or how my life go, I'm gonna still have the
33:10
Speaker 1: passion to do that. Like with this my career, and
33:14
Speaker 1: I do it for a business or it's just like
33:16
Speaker 1: a hobby something I do for fun, I'm still always
33:19
Speaker 1: do it because it's rooted in passion. That's like, that's
33:23
Speaker 1: like Kevin Durant always says, Man, I just want to
33:25
Speaker 1: hoop like I'd be. I would be hooping if I
33:28
Speaker 1: wasn't getting paid. Like it's my love. You know what
33:30
Speaker 1: I'm saying for sure? Music wise, what do you got
33:34
Speaker 1: on the way? Are you? Are you? Because I know
33:35
Speaker 1: you're you're you got the battleshit going crazy? You just
33:37
Speaker 1: had it? Did you just battle or you were at
33:39
Speaker 1: the battle this weekend? Did you have a battle this weekend? No,
33:42
Speaker 1: I just was hosting. I'm hosting a lot of these events.
33:45
Speaker 1: I'm hosting the RBE event, a smack event. Just hosted
33:48
Speaker 1: this event create for you that they put together. So
33:51
Speaker 1: I'm just the podcast. I'm doing media and hosting to
33:54
Speaker 1: get more attention on Battle Rap, to make it better
33:57
Speaker 1: for the Battle rappers and for myself when I do. Finally,
34:00
Speaker 1: I'm back in battle, but I ain't set up the
34:04
Speaker 1: actual battle the name yet to tell you, but I'm
34:08
Speaker 1: in negotiations with a lot of people, so hopefully I
34:10
Speaker 1: have like at least two battles this year, hopefully fire.
34:13
Speaker 1: But what about are you like on the music tip?
34:16
Speaker 1: Are you working on anything? Oh? Yeah, my new project.
34:19
Speaker 1: I feel like it's the best project of my life.
34:22
Speaker 1: Like this's new music. I got this new wave I'm on.
34:25
Speaker 1: It's like I'm happy with it and I can't wait
34:28
Speaker 1: to drop it. I'm just independent and doing everything from
34:33
Speaker 1: the muscle and because I feel so good about this project,
34:37
Speaker 1: I just wanted to be perfect, so I got some
34:40
Speaker 1: little finish and touches I got to put on it
34:42
Speaker 1: before I release it. But it's coming. They sat and
34:44
Speaker 1: it's crazy. I got the single already done. We're gonna
34:47
Speaker 1: shoot the record off my new project today with Fred
34:50
Speaker 1: money out here. Shout out to Fred money Man. Yeah,
34:54
Speaker 1: it's but I'm about to shoot another single real soon
35:00
Speaker 1: and then when we go back to Atlanta. But I
35:02
Speaker 1: think me living out Atlanta and being in that new
35:04
Speaker 1: environment is what got me like still spitting bars and lyrical,
35:07
Speaker 1: but the bounces and the flows and the bag I'm in,
35:11
Speaker 1: it's just like different than you expect the hair from me,
35:14
Speaker 1: especially a dude that's been in it as long as me.
35:17
Speaker 1: So I can't wait. What's your relationship with Swiss? Like
35:20
Speaker 1: these days? Still the same man that's my brother? Were
35:25
Speaker 1: not connected to hang out like we used to, you
35:27
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. But still communicate, still text, still work,
35:31
Speaker 1: You still give me advice and we still like family.
35:35
Speaker 1: Got a lot more connections other than me and Swiss,
35:38
Speaker 1: like me and his pop, me and his uncles, Me
35:40
Speaker 1: and a bunch of people that's connected with Swiss, Like
35:43
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's so many years that
35:45
Speaker 1: I've been tied up that I can't really separate myself.
35:48
Speaker 1: No my tripping. Was there a point in time you
35:50
Speaker 1: were rolling with Carmelo Anthony? Yeah, after I was, I
35:57
Speaker 1: was with Swiss Beats and J Records, right, I got
36:00
Speaker 1: when Jay Records fell apart? Was the last ailme was
36:04
Speaker 1: bars on J Right? Yeah, yeah, but when like Jay
36:07
Speaker 1: Records broke down and Sony took over and started doing
36:10
Speaker 1: all that stuff, I was out my major deal, you
36:13
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Because it was no more J Records, right,
36:17
Speaker 1: So that's when I felt the time to be free.
36:19
Speaker 1: I could go in the independent direction, you know what
36:21
Speaker 1: I mean. But so if I was going to go
36:26
Speaker 1: in the independent direction, I wanted to still do it big,
36:29
Speaker 1: but I needed investors. So I felt like basketball niggas
36:32
Speaker 1: was getting wild money, some of them be wasting it
36:35
Speaker 1: and throwing it away. It's not like I'm trying to
36:37
Speaker 1: blow a lot of money. I just need a certain amount,
36:40
Speaker 1: like if I was with a label to make this
36:41
Speaker 1: project make sense. So I started thinking, like, Yo, I
36:44
Speaker 1: know basketball players. I know. People told Melo to play,
36:50
Speaker 1: rolled it out in paperwork, presented it to him and
36:53
Speaker 1: his legal team, and that's how we did the deal.
36:55
Speaker 1: But I wasn't signed to Melo like people thought, like
36:58
Speaker 1: in a traditional way. It was more like him like
37:01
Speaker 1: a record label, like he was my CEO and I
37:03
Speaker 1: was signed. He was an investor exactly. Yess what it was.
37:07
Speaker 1: Oh that's dope. Shout out to Mellow. It was so
37:09
Speaker 1: many rappers who had Mari Stademarer had a label? When
37:14
Speaker 1: who else Mello KD had a label? KT's working on
37:19
Speaker 1: an album with thirty eight Special and Ransom right now.
37:23
Speaker 1: It's crazy when you see guys like like, I think
37:26
Speaker 1: all these sports dudes does get into the bagshab labels? Man?
37:29
Speaker 1: Why not know, make these artists, you know, be able
37:33
Speaker 1: to get loans or invest like, you know, get the
37:37
Speaker 1: opportunity to get the loans. They need to be successful
37:40
Speaker 1: from different places other than what's available now. When you
37:44
Speaker 1: see guys like thirty eight Special, Ransom who have also
37:49
Speaker 1: had fifteen years plus in the game and they've been
37:52
Speaker 1: able to kind of have a renaissance of their career
37:55
Speaker 1: where they're connecting and building these like hardcore fan bases,
37:59
Speaker 1: Like there's that ship when you see shiit like like
38:01
Speaker 1: do you pay attention to those guys and like kind
38:03
Speaker 1: of because they're I feel like those guys in their
38:05
Speaker 1: business model something that even like the Griselda business model
38:08
Speaker 1: is something that like, you know a lot of artists
38:10
Speaker 1: can kind of take note and take advantage of because
38:15
Speaker 1: you have some hardcore fans and you got fans who
38:18
Speaker 1: would put the money up if you If I just
38:21
Speaker 1: was with them in the house last night. Thirty is special,
38:24
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, I got a chance the meeting, we
38:27
Speaker 1: was in the house together. He had a show and
38:31
Speaker 1: then our air last night. Y'all gotta get a record in, man,
38:35
Speaker 1: for sure, that'd be crazy. Who's on the new project
38:38
Speaker 1: that's almost done? That project's not finished yet, right yeah?
38:41
Speaker 1: And almost the features not then? Ok, like the main
38:44
Speaker 1: major features I'm gonna get at the end. You know,
38:46
Speaker 1: that's when you got to shake and move that make
38:48
Speaker 1: it make sense. So I don't want to shout them
38:50
Speaker 1: all out, but I got records with Eating that's already
38:53
Speaker 1: to Lisally the Block, Captain from Philly, Low Flip Dragon,
38:58
Speaker 1: Jagged from South Central out here, Jack's hard Money. Wait,
39:03
Speaker 1: you've been working with Jack for a long time? Yeah
39:06
Speaker 1: for sure. I feel like I heard of Jack, like
39:09
Speaker 1: I No, I did hear Jack through you? Yeah for sure. Yeah.
39:12
Speaker 1: I think I told him that too. I was like, Bro,
39:14
Speaker 1: you're the same Jack who used to throw with Cassidy.
39:16
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, man, yeah go gang Man Mayhem music
39:20
Speaker 1: lost in the family. He been down forever. So I
39:23
Speaker 1: got a record with him and Jag on the project.
39:25
Speaker 1: This kid named Poison Ivy singing the chorus. It's like
39:28
Speaker 1: a single big record fire fire all right. Well, look,
39:33
Speaker 1: hopefully get a couple of battles in before the end
39:35
Speaker 1: of the year. Would you ever consider launching your own
39:38
Speaker 1: battle league? Nah? Like it was a I came out
39:44
Speaker 1: here to host the battle I told you about. Daylight
39:46
Speaker 1: was battling this MMA fighter named King Boo. But they
39:50
Speaker 1: put together a pretty nice card and a bunch of
39:53
Speaker 1: the Battle Rappers ain't even show up. So the main
39:55
Speaker 1: battus that people really wanted to see on the pay
39:57
Speaker 1: per view couldn't even go down because the battle rapper
40:00
Speaker 1: ain't show up. But they already got advances. They already
40:03
Speaker 1: the book flights. You don't want to deal with all
40:05
Speaker 1: the hotels. It's like, man, and I can't take it
40:09
Speaker 1: like how some of these league owners do and my
40:11
Speaker 1: blog about it or be like going back and forth.
40:14
Speaker 1: It's like, Man, if I spend my money and I
40:17
Speaker 1: make something happen, niggas gotta definitely be there. It's going
40:21
Speaker 1: to be like issues. I'm just not cut for doing that.
40:24
Speaker 1: I'd rather play with other people money. Like I'm out here,
40:27
Speaker 1: I'm giving back to the culture. I'm the energy, like
40:29
Speaker 1: The biggest thing that happened with this event so far
40:33
Speaker 1: was the face offs I did. But I want to
40:36
Speaker 1: give my energy back but not feel no type of way.
40:39
Speaker 1: When I hear about artists not coming out because it's
40:42
Speaker 1: not my event. I didn't invest, it's like it's fucked
40:45
Speaker 1: up for the culture. But I don't feel as bad
40:47
Speaker 1: because I'm not losing right right right, You're like, hey, yo,
40:50
Speaker 1: I got my I'm good. Yeah, I'm still getting paid.
40:53
Speaker 1: And even when these other leagues book me, it's a
40:56
Speaker 1: big event for the Undercar Battle list that's coming under me.
40:59
Speaker 1: They get a opportunity, but it's not my money. So
41:02
Speaker 1: however it go is how it go. I just know
41:05
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna do, you know what I'm saying. So
41:08
Speaker 1: I would have to get a different type of bag myself,
41:13
Speaker 1: or different type of investors or something like that to
41:15
Speaker 1: be able to pull something like that off. But I
41:17
Speaker 1: wouldn't invest my own money into starting to lead. Yeah. Well, listen, man,
41:21
Speaker 1: I appreciate you pulling up your legend. Bro, thanks for
41:24
Speaker 1: having me. We're gonna have your freestyle too, but we're
41:25
Speaker 1: gonna do a separate YouTube video for that. New music soon.
41:29
Speaker 1: New music asap asap, go follow them online. Man Cassidy,
41:34
Speaker 1: appreciate your brother, Thanks for having me