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25W: Ranking the Sexiest Coaches Available for the Cowboys + 5X NFL Executive of the Year Scott Pioli · 25 Whistles with Bobby Bones (A Football Podcast)

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Speaker 1: basically afternoon now, and Eddie's starting to get kind of
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Speaker 3: What's the mainly mainly because I drive a stick.
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Speaker 1: Because you're on percocet.
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Speaker 3: No, If that's the case, I would just skip out
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Speaker 3: and then take it while I'm here and then it.
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Speaker 1: How many can you take a day? Every six hours?
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Speaker 1: Do you look forward to that? Yeah?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean this is the stuff that people get
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Speaker 3: doesn't make me feel like, yeah, I want to party.
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Speaker 3: It makes me feel like I just want to go
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Speaker 3: to bed and like just chill.
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Speaker 1: But I just chill. Is a feeling that people chase.
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Speaker 1: That's smoking weed, right. I never smoke weed, but I'm
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Speaker 1: assuming you smoke weed. You're just like, hey, i's want
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Speaker 1: a chill. I don't think it makes you want to party.
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Speaker 3: But then afterwards you feel all groggy and moody.
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Speaker 1: I had to take percocet dry sockets in my mouth
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Speaker 3: But then did you also hear read like, hey, you
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Speaker 3: got any extras?
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Speaker 1: I did not want to come on. I did not
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Speaker 1: hear him to say that. A couple of things. As
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Speaker 1: we start the show, I'm seeing more and more rumors
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Speaker 1: about the NFL taking the fourth or the on side
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Speaker 1: kick and making it basically a fourth and twenty. We
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Speaker 1: saw the onside kick last week too. I think that's
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Speaker 1: a great idea, Like you want the ball back convert
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Speaker 1: a fourth and twenty. At least there is an opportunity there.
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Speaker 1: They said, they said.
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Speaker 3: It was what a good opportunity.
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Speaker 1: I would say good. I would say more than five percent,
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Speaker 1: but I wouldn't say one and four. I say, les,
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Speaker 1: there's twenty five percent.
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Speaker 3: Because like, what's the percentage on an on side kick
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Speaker 3: the way it is now?
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Speaker 1: So they said five percent this season, that's nothing and
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Speaker 1: I felt like that was hot.
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Speaker 4: I was going to say that seems.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was because I never see them recover. I'm
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Speaker 1: sure they do in games that I missed, but if
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Speaker 1: you see an on its like kick recovery, that's amazing.
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Speaker 1: I was like a Dodo bird, like a rare Dodo
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Speaker 1: you see running down the road. I like that. And
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Speaker 1: I think that's an XFL ish type rule. And the
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Speaker 1: kickoff rule that they had changed this year, it has
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Speaker 1: changed me in no way whatsoever. I don't hate it.
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Speaker 1: I don't love it. It's how I felt about the
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Speaker 1: kickoff and they can on lyast say, look, we're doing
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Speaker 1: things to keep people from getting concussions. Right, it's not
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Speaker 1: a stupid rule they've put in, but also it's not
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Speaker 1: made the game like way more fun. But I think
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Speaker 1: the benefit of that kickoff rule is the NFL can
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Speaker 1: go look at what we're doing to prevent forest fires
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Speaker 1: and concussions.
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Speaker 3: Smoky.
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Speaker 1: Yes.
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Speaker 3: And the fourth and twenty is where where you would
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Speaker 3: normally kick the ball off.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter because I don't know that you get
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Speaker 1: the ball at that spot, so I don't know. The
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Speaker 1: role is not there. It very very well could be.
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Speaker 1: But my point is, I don't know that it's that
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Speaker 1: spot because if you throw a touchdown or you get
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Speaker 1: to the five yard line, you get to keep it
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Speaker 1: at the five. Probably not they got to tweak that.
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Speaker 1: I would think that it just goes back to some
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Speaker 1: normal midfield fish type line because that's where an onside
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Speaker 1: kick would be recovered. Yeah, so that's the first thing
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Speaker 1: I read. I think that would be a great move.
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Speaker 1: So second thing, the Cowboys coach maybe shot in hybrid.
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Speaker 3: Dude, I know what's stupid?
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Speaker 2: Really?
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Speaker 3: I saw that too, and I'm like, it's not sexy.
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Speaker 3: It's not exciting.
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Speaker 1: Sexy's not always exciting, and it's sexy's not always great sexy.
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Speaker 3: I don't know why it's that sexy, but you know
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Speaker 3: what I mean, it's not very like Dion, Like I
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Speaker 3: guess that would be considered sexy because it's out like
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Speaker 3: a pick. That'd be like, whoa, what are you serious?
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Speaker 3: Dion prime time is gonna be the coach of the
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Speaker 3: Dallas Cowboys, but Shottenheimer and Brian is that name?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's the now he's the OC now.
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Speaker 3: But he didn't even call plays.
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Speaker 1: That part's kind of weird.
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Speaker 3: McCarthy called all the plays by waffle house menu.
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Speaker 1: And I would think that it would be weird, weird
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Speaker 1: that the OC that gets the head coaching job wasn't
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Speaker 1: the play caller, except for that McCarthy is a really
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Speaker 1: great play caller, like that's what he's known for. And also,
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Speaker 1: if you're the OC under somebody who's really great at
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Speaker 1: what they do, I'm sure that you're picking up some
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Speaker 1: stuff too, Not that he needed it, but if they
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Speaker 1: came today and they may say this, we record this
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Speaker 1: at Thursday afternoon and then it loads at midnight on Friday,
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Speaker 1: but let's say tonight or Friday. Schottenheimer's a coach. Your thoughts.
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Speaker 3: In other waste of season?
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Speaker 1: I don't think.
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Speaker 3: I don't think Brian. I mean, Brian's already been there, right,
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Speaker 3: So I don't think it's going to change anything. I
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Speaker 3: don't think you're going to be looking at a whole
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Speaker 3: different Dallas Cowboys team. I think it's just going to
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Speaker 3: remain the same thing. We're just going to kill another
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Speaker 3: year of football. And and I don't like it.
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Speaker 1: Would be more than a season though, mean, if he's
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Speaker 1: the head coach.
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Speaker 3: Four yeah, okay, four seasons lost, that's a whole presidential term.
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Speaker 3: It is, what do you think?
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Speaker 1: I think when things are really I'll use your word
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Speaker 1: sexy and exciting, Usually that's just short term fun and
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Speaker 1: not long term greatness. So I'm not saying that Brian
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Speaker 1: Schottenheimer is the answer. But sometimes those hires where you're
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Speaker 1: like who what when? Like it's really smart people making
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Speaker 1: those decisions. I'm not. Maybe Jerry's allowing other people to
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Speaker 1: come in and help him with this. I don't hate
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Speaker 1: it because it's so take your lunch pail to work. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: decision that A lot of times those work out. I
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Speaker 1: don't see this being a disaster. If he's the coach,
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Speaker 1: I think the floor is higher, But I don't know
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Speaker 1: where the ceiling is with him at all.
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Speaker 3: I just feel like if Brian was the dude, they
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Speaker 3: would have made him the OC and he would have
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Speaker 3: had FaceTime. I mean, I forgot that Brian Schottenheimer was
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Speaker 3: the OC. Honestly, I forgot to look like I just
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Speaker 3: looked them up.
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Speaker 1: I think again, if it's almost any coach other than
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Speaker 1: than McCartney, he's calling plays, So I wouldn't take that
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Speaker 1: as man. He must not be that good because you
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Speaker 1: had one of the greatest play callers offensive NFL minds
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Speaker 1: calling plays. So listen, if I were a Cowboys fan,
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Speaker 1: I would want something exciting and.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, even like when you said Cliff Kingsbury, that's cool,
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Speaker 3: that would be that's kind of sexy. It's pretty sexy.
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Speaker 3: And he's kind of sexy. Okay, like the ladies like him.
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Speaker 3: If for sexy, Oh yeah, I know somebody who looked
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Speaker 3: up with him for a while.
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Speaker 1: I can't tell you. I can't tell you that's a
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Speaker 1: bond dude, and I can't. I can't. I can't tell
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Speaker 1: you it's been a while. It's been a while, so nothing.
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Speaker 1: I don't know what his personal life has now been,
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Speaker 1: Mary with kids, don't have spent a long time. I
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Speaker 1: can tell you out there so Sexydon one very sexy,
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Speaker 1: Cliff two. Cliff two is very sexy. Who's the three?
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Speaker 3: I mean not in the traditional sexy way, but I
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Speaker 3: think the third sexiest coach for the Dallas Cowboys could
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Speaker 3: be Riverboat Ron.
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Speaker 1: No, I don't think he's sexy. I think he is
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Speaker 1: somebody you bring in to plug a hole, to create
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Speaker 1: some stability.
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Speaker 3: Have they talked to Romo about what coming back?
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Speaker 2: Because that'd be awesome.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if they've talked to.
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Speaker 3: That's sexy.
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Speaker 1: We've talked about three. He's still coaching right now. I
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Speaker 1: feel like he'd be on your list. He's still coaching
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Speaker 1: right now, offensive coordinator Moore. Who would you rather have,
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Speaker 1: Kellen Moore or Brian Cornelia Schottenheimer. Yeah, that's legit.
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Speaker 3: I guess I'd have Kellen Moore. I feel like I
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Speaker 3: know more of his work.
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Speaker 1: But I think that's why, And that's the answer, right,
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Speaker 1: That's why you want him because you know more about him.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't mean that you know or you feel like
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Speaker 1: he's actually better based on so Yeah, it's a lunch.
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Speaker 3: Pal higher if he does what a mess?
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Speaker 1: Uh so? Brian Schottenheimer, Oh, see for the Seahawks, the Jets,
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Speaker 1: the Rams, University of Georgia. Was an assistant coach with
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Speaker 1: the Redskins, Chargers, Colts, and Jaguars. His dad is fifty
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Speaker 1: one years old.
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Speaker 3: Marty Marty. Yeah, Marty was the coach of Franco where
10:26
Speaker 3: the San Diego Chargers.
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Speaker 4: Oh Chargers, they always like fell short every season. Yeah
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Speaker 4: that's good.
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Speaker 1: That's kind of where Chargering came from.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's really good.
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Speaker 1: Well, good luck to you, my friend.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you man. We'll wait and see hopefully if
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Speaker 3: some of those sexies come in.
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Speaker 1: I hope people watch a little bit of Cheaps of
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Speaker 1: Holly because it's interesting and the chiefs are still in
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Speaker 1: it and it's the guy that robbed the banks. What
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Speaker 1: about the Aaron Rodgers documentary?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, man, that keeps popping up like every time, you know,
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Speaker 3: like you hover over the thumbnail and then they so
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Speaker 3: they showed a little clip or whatever, and I watched
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Speaker 3: it today and look at my wife, I'm like, should
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Speaker 3: we watch this? And she was like, that's kind of
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Speaker 3: interesting because she knows Jordan Rodgers and she knows him
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Speaker 3: she I mean from The Bachelor.
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Speaker 1: Okay, well that's knows of Jordan Rodgers.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: No, my wife doesn't know Jordan Rodgers.
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Speaker 1: Well that's how you said it.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but no, also, like just kind of the whole
11:15
Speaker 3: story of them being, you know, having family fights or whatever,
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Speaker 3: him not getting along with the family. So we thought
11:22
Speaker 3: about it, but I can't. I can't pull the trigger
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Speaker 3: on it. I don't know if I can take what
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Speaker 3: is it, two hours of Aaron Rodgers.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, same, That's why I can't. I don't like Aaron
11:29
Speaker 1: Rodgers and by the way, I used to like Aaron
11:31
Speaker 1: Rodgers a lot. I think when we started this podcast
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Speaker 1: this season, I was like, well, it's going, but it's
11:35
Speaker 1: He's sufferable.
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Speaker 3: So does anyone.
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Speaker 5: Wants I started it and I got timon and it's
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Speaker 5: just boring.
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Speaker 1: You quit Chiefs of Hollic though, and you.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, because I hate the Chiefs too. But I don't
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Speaker 5: hate Aaron Rodgers' starting this again. We're starting this again.
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Speaker 5: I don't hate Aaron Rodgers, but it's just it was
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Speaker 5: just boring. I don't know, it's just him being Aaron Rodgers.
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Speaker 4: I might like a little bit. Yeah, you know, I
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Speaker 4: kind of pitied him a little bit.
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Speaker 3: It's like a lost forty year old guy that's just
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Speaker 3: like taking ayahuasca and trying to find the meaning of life.
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Speaker 4: And my pity hall out of it.
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Speaker 2: That guy.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I had pity for Chiefs of hal like, and
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Speaker 1: he was robbing banks. I don't I don't have any
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Speaker 1: pity for Aaron Rodgers.
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Speaker 5: No, I don't have any pity.
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Speaker 1: Uh So, No, I don't think I'm going to watch it.
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Speaker 1: It's one of those documentaries that I just I didn't
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Speaker 1: know I was gonna watch Cheaps Hawk I didn't know
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Speaker 1: I was going to watch the Death of Steve McNair.
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Speaker 3: Oh, I still need to watch that.
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Speaker 4: That one was good.
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Speaker 1: That was good, and it's only an hour.
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Speaker 3: What about receivers? Have you watched that?
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Speaker 1: I didn't much. Quarterbacks was fine. It was a little
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Speaker 1: too corny for me, and it was fine, and I
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Speaker 1: I'm glad I watched it, but it wasn't good enough
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Speaker 1: that I wanted to watch. Like It's brother receivers.
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Speaker 5: You're like, all right, I get it, And unless you're
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Speaker 5: like a diehard fan of one of those teams are quarterbacks,
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Speaker 5: you don't really care.
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Speaker 1: The only thing that I got out of Quarterbacks was
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Speaker 1: that I liked a certain player, and the rest were
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Speaker 1: just kind of like, okay, fine, I kind of already
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Speaker 1: thought that. Then that player I liked was who do
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Speaker 1: we all like more? From its cousins?
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Speaker 2: For sure?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I forgot who was even on it and how
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Speaker 6: his wife dresses him like he was the guy that
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Speaker 6: I was like, okay, kind of like her cousins. I
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Speaker 6: think that makes me root for him now. But the rest,
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Speaker 6: but Mariota was.
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Speaker 1: On it, but he didn't really get to do much.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, got benched or whatever.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so, but no, I didn't watch receivers. Have you
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Speaker 1: watched right tackles?
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Speaker 3: No, but I didn't watch kickers.
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Speaker 1: That's on food punters, Oh yeah, punters, special teamers, it's
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Speaker 1: on booth or No, I didn't. Yeah, there is too.
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Speaker 3: Like I saw a TikTok of like Lamar Jackson talking
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Speaker 3: to Mark Andrews and I'm like, what's this from? And
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Speaker 3: apparently there's a Hard Knocks in season.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, on the the entire division and norse right, I
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Speaker 5: knew that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't watch it and I didn't remember it,
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Speaker 1: but we did talk about the entire division.
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Speaker 5: M I don't because I think it's on HBO or
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Speaker 5: whatever something, whatever it is, I.
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Speaker 1: Don't have it probably yeah, Max, Yeah, Max.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's that's such a quick turnaround.
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Speaker 5: It's like a week to week thing.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Have you never seen hard Knocks? I have, even
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Speaker 1: like training camp.
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Speaker 3: It's a week out and I get it, but I
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Speaker 3: mean hard that's the only Hard Knocks. I watched the
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Speaker 3: preseason one. Yeah, but I didn't forgot that there was
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Speaker 3: an end season and they're literally talking about what happened
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Speaker 3: two days ago.
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Speaker 1: I hear you. And the nd season is different because
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Speaker 1: it isn't, but it's the same time. Difference is the camp.
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Speaker 3: No, I get it. And even with the camps, I
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Speaker 3: was like, gosh, that's a quick turnaround for such a
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Speaker 3: high quality show like that. It's pretty impressive.
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Speaker 1: Now that I agree with.
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Speaker 3: It's like read we're video dudes, like how quick are
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Speaker 3: they turning that around?
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Speaker 4: Yeah?
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Speaker 6: I don't, dude, I don't even understand how they eat
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Speaker 6: or sleep or anything like that.
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Speaker 1: What are you talking about now? What I mean? I
14:43
Speaker 1: didn't know who was talking about. Yeah, it's pretty impressive, players, coaches, everybody.
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Speaker 5: I wonder how big their staff is though they're editing staff,
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Speaker 5: producing stuff.
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Speaker 1: And they're noting it on the fly. They know and
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Speaker 1: they also know what they're looking for on the fly.
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Speaker 1: It's different than a reality show where they have people
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Speaker 1: do stuf. But if they're they want to focus on
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Speaker 1: certain players, they'll go and they're looking for something that
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Speaker 1: they can plug into spots and like we got it,
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Speaker 1: Lamar did this. This is going to go Like they're
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Speaker 1: having to plan it as they go, which is pretty cool.
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Speaker 1: It is why it can be turned over so quick. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: but you're right, it's quick. I just it felt like
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Speaker 1: a shot to you that was looking a week and
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Speaker 1: I was like, that's every it's just a different part
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Speaker 1: of the year.
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Speaker 3: I just forgot that there was an end season hard
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Speaker 3: knocks because if it's not before the season starts, iron't
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Speaker 3: watching it.
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Speaker 1: So are we building a parlay?
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Speaker 4: Mike, No, I don't have to see.
15:32
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. No, here's the thing. I'm I suck
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Speaker 1: at parlays, and I'm happy to do one. And everybody
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Speaker 1: can bet and lose.
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Speaker 3: Your pictures on it their faces.
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Speaker 1: That's even worse. Yeah, I know, because then I lose.
15:48
Speaker 1: But there are other things I like to do. I
15:49
Speaker 1: like people to go DraftKings, and like, I felt really
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Speaker 1: Nitty gritty time, What is it like to interview a
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19:10
Speaker 1: Like what happens in that room, Scott that you don't
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Speaker 1: know that you need to figure out, you.
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Speaker 2: Know, it depends really on how well you know them,
19:17
Speaker 2: not just as a football person, not just as a
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Speaker 2: there are a couple of different situations in terms of
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Speaker 2: interview circumstances I've been involved with. And when you know someone,
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Speaker 2: it's a little bit easier, right, But it's easier for you,
19:36
Speaker 2: but maybe sometimes tougher for them because because you know them,
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Speaker 2: they don't know where it's going to go. Because when
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Speaker 2: give that person the answer to the questions, if that
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Speaker 2: makes sense. So the most important thing you have to
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Speaker 2: be careful is if you know someone that you don't
20:04
Speaker 2: miss important topics and questions that need to be asked
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Speaker 2: that you're going to be asking for other candidates, if
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Speaker 2: that makes sense.
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Speaker 1: How much of an interview is culture, how much is
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Speaker 1: scheme and is it different regarding who the person is.
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Speaker 2: That's a fascinating question, Bobby, because to me, the least
20:25
Speaker 2: amount of time should be spent on scheme, because most
20:30
Speaker 2: people that has sent to a position of having an
20:32
Speaker 2: opportunity to be a head coach, they've got a scheme.
20:35
Speaker 2: They've done something in their former job, whether usually a coordinator,
20:40
Speaker 2: you know, where they know the scheme, They have their scheme.
20:42
Speaker 2: And the truth is this, I think that there's you know,
20:45
Speaker 2: I coached for four years before I became an evaluator
20:48
Speaker 2: and a scout and then a front office person, and
20:52
Speaker 2: I played all of my life up until that, so
20:54
Speaker 2: I knew the game. But I also know that coaches
20:57
Speaker 2: know the game on a different level than and many
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Speaker 2: of us that are in other areas. And I say
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Speaker 2: this because I think that there's a lot of people
21:06
Speaker 2: that get into those situations, those circumstances where they know
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Speaker 2: a little bit and they think that they know more
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Speaker 2: than they do. So asking a coach about scheme too
21:15
Speaker 2: many questions. You can ask generic questions but you don't
21:18
Speaker 2: want to dive deep into it. Most of the time
21:21
Speaker 2: is more spent on culture. I think it's spent on
21:23
Speaker 2: relationships because the most important part of the scheme that
21:26
Speaker 2: you have to understand is the base elements, so you
21:30
Speaker 2: can go out and find players and regardless of the
21:33
Speaker 2: regardless of the power structure and the hierarchy and that
21:36
Speaker 2: stuff doesn't matter because the moment that the head coach
21:38
Speaker 2: is hired. I'm a firm believer that the general manager,
21:42
Speaker 2: vice president, player, person on, whatever that person is, they
21:45
Speaker 2: automatically become a servant to the coach to go and
21:48
Speaker 2: find the players that fit their scheme and fit their personality,
21:52
Speaker 2: not people that are the same personality, but are actually
21:56
Speaker 2: that are personality types that can follow the type of
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Speaker 2: leadership that comes in. I give you great example is
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Speaker 2: when I was the assistant general manager working under Thomas
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Speaker 2: de Mitchef, our general manager at the Falcons. The players
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Speaker 2: that dan Quinn was looking for schematically were not only different,
22:13
Speaker 2: but they were different personality makeup type players that were
22:18
Speaker 2: for dan Quinn versus Bill Belichick, for instance.
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Speaker 1: Are there times where and it's interesting you brought that up,
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Speaker 1: because that was what I was curious about. Are there
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Speaker 1: times where guys come in and you know who your
22:28
Speaker 1: personnel is. I mean, Kayla Williams would be an example. Now,
22:31
Speaker 1: whenever Ben Johnson's coming, whomever it's going to be, you
22:34
Speaker 1: know that's the quarterback. So you're looking for a coach
22:38
Speaker 1: that is going to be able to utilize the personnel
22:41
Speaker 1: that you have, versus there could be a coach that's
22:43
Speaker 1: going to come in and just go We're going to
22:46
Speaker 1: start over, start from scratch.
22:47
Speaker 2: Like.
22:48
Speaker 1: Both of those are options when talking to certain coaches.
22:53
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, they are both options, And I think that's
22:55
Speaker 2: where you have to leave your personal ego at the door,
22:58
Speaker 2: because if you go to you plan on entering these
23:01
Speaker 2: head coaching relationships for the long term, and if you
23:06
Speaker 2: try to fit your head coach into a certain scheme
23:11
Speaker 2: or certain specifications of what your old staff was, that's
23:15
Speaker 2: not fair to the person that you're trying to hire.
23:17
Speaker 2: And really what you have to do is go out
23:19
Speaker 2: and hire the best person available, the best coach, the
23:21
Speaker 2: best teacher, the person who's best at player development. And
23:26
Speaker 2: some of the best players can play regardless of the
23:30
Speaker 2: scheme they can play. But the thing is, really good
23:34
Speaker 2: coaches can take players and accentuate the positive and limit
23:38
Speaker 2: the limitations, because every player has limitations, so sometimes it
23:42
Speaker 2: really needs to be a combination of those two things.
23:45
Speaker 2: And you can't get rid of good players that are
23:47
Speaker 2: hard workers just because you have to find a way
23:52
Speaker 2: to meld those two things together but not be stuck in.
23:56
Speaker 2: I think you may be setting a relationship up for
23:58
Speaker 2: a problem. These are the guys that i'd after before,
24:00
Speaker 2: these are the guys that I brought in. So I've
24:02
Speaker 2: got to find coach X that has these little these
24:06
Speaker 2: certain things and force your program to go in a
24:10
Speaker 2: situation that you think is best because it makes your
24:12
Speaker 2: life more comfortable than doing what's best for the organization.
24:16
Speaker 1: I think what would be difficult too, but also like
24:20
Speaker 1: a put a ribbon on the Lions because they were
24:22
Speaker 1: so good that both coordinators going and take head coaching jobs. Right,
24:25
Speaker 1: you got DC going to the Jets, I'll see going
24:27
Speaker 1: to the Bears. They both have their own teams now,
24:29
Speaker 1: but now you're a head coach, and also you have
24:32
Speaker 1: all the executives there and you're trying to find an
24:35
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator and a defensive coordinator at the same time.
24:38
Speaker 1: That seems like that would be tough.
24:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, attrition is one of the pitfalls of
24:43
Speaker 2: great success, you know, and when you have success, there
24:47
Speaker 2: will be attrition, natural attrition, But it's both a blessing
24:51
Speaker 2: and a curse. Right when those people are leaving, that
24:52
Speaker 2: means you've done something well. But here's what's important I
24:55
Speaker 2: think is is Dan Campbell has a really strong reputation
25:00
Speaker 2: and people want to work with and for Dan. But
25:03
Speaker 2: whether they have great alignment. I believe in that organization
25:06
Speaker 2: is Brad Holmes, their general manager, and some of the
25:09
Speaker 2: people that are helping. You know, Shila does an amazing
25:12
Speaker 2: job of letting people do their job. She doesn't act
25:14
Speaker 2: like she knows things that she doesn't know, but she
25:18
Speaker 2: does have an important amount of intelligence and leadership ability.
25:23
Speaker 2: And then you look through the rest of the organization.
25:25
Speaker 2: There's folks like Mike Disney. There's folks like you know,
25:27
Speaker 2: Chris Bielman who are important and very agnew. They have
25:31
Speaker 2: a lot of really good people in an organization. And
25:34
Speaker 2: Brad Holmes, who is the leader as the general manager
25:36
Speaker 2: and the personnel side, He and Dan are completely aligned
25:40
Speaker 2: on the types of players that they want to bring
25:42
Speaker 2: in and that they're trying to bring into their program,
25:45
Speaker 2: so that is going to make the talent acquisition. I
25:48
Speaker 2: always talk about things in terms of you know, people
25:50
Speaker 2: always focus so much on player evaluation and player acquisition.
25:55
Speaker 2: Really it's about talent because if you're building something that's
25:59
Speaker 2: going to that's going to last, and you're thinking about
26:02
Speaker 2: your entire football operation, you're thinking about talent in terms
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Speaker 2: of coaches, your football operations, people, your support staff. So
26:10
Speaker 2: that idea of talent identification, talent acquisition, and talent development
26:15
Speaker 2: and retention. Brad and Dan are aligned. So my guess
26:18
Speaker 2: is that, yeah, it's going to be a hit, but
26:21
Speaker 2: they've got some people that are looking to work there
26:23
Speaker 2: and or that they can elevate from within.
26:25
Speaker 1: I wear a bunch of hats if it's radio or
26:27
Speaker 1: TV or podcasting or books or whatever. I have to
26:29
Speaker 1: hire people all the time for all different jobs. And
26:31
Speaker 1: I was explaining to the guys, and it started with
26:33
Speaker 1: the Rooney rule of how important I think it is
26:35
Speaker 1: even if you don't hire someone to get a lot
26:38
Speaker 1: of people in the room, because it's not even about
26:41
Speaker 1: that moment right there. It's about a relationship maybe begins
26:46
Speaker 1: and you learn about them and their maturation as a
26:49
Speaker 1: coach or an employee. In my world, they're not there yet,
26:52
Speaker 1: but man, they're on a trajectory too, and you kind
26:54
Speaker 1: of follow along and it builds for later. And I've
26:57
Speaker 1: hired so many people a year after an interview for
27:00
Speaker 1: a different job two years after. So will you talk
27:03
Speaker 1: about that in terms of what you do when you
27:05
Speaker 1: interview coaches that probably aren't going to get the job.
27:08
Speaker 2: Well, I love this, but it's not just head coaches, right,
27:10
Speaker 2: it's assistant coaches. Not that you know I ever hired
27:13
Speaker 2: assistant coaches, but I was around in a part of that.
27:16
Speaker 2: And Bobby, I love that you're bringing this up, because really,
27:19
Speaker 2: what's happening in the football world. It's the same in
27:21
Speaker 2: your industry, right. You want to get the right people
27:24
Speaker 2: that have talent, but they have more than just you know,
27:27
Speaker 2: we always talk about height, weight, speed, but talent comes
27:30
Speaker 2: in different packages. And you talk about the Rooney rule,
27:34
Speaker 2: and I just want to touch on this. The importance
27:36
Speaker 2: and the value of diversity is so critical because people
27:41
Speaker 2: sometimes get so myopic when they hear the idea of
27:44
Speaker 2: diversity or the Rooney rule, and they see this as
27:48
Speaker 2: something that is just colored. They literally see it as
27:50
Speaker 2: black and white. But the purpose and the reason for
27:55
Speaker 2: diversity and bringing in diversity and diverse hiring is not
28:00
Speaker 2: just in addition to what it looks like. People come
28:04
Speaker 2: from different backgrounds and different cultures. They bring with them
28:07
Speaker 2: different thoughts ideas, and we all have this thing called
28:10
Speaker 2: implicit bias, right, And they're bringing these ideas and these thoughts.
28:15
Speaker 2: What you're looking for is diversity of thought, diversity of action.
28:18
Speaker 2: And when you spend time with people in these interviews,
28:24
Speaker 2: sometimes the timing isn't right for whatever reason. Sometimes you
28:27
Speaker 2: don't have the appropriate job for a person. But I
28:30
Speaker 2: can tell you for sure, you know, I think about
28:33
Speaker 2: someone like Monty Austin, for right, who's now the GM
28:37
Speaker 2: of the Cardinals. Monty came in, I interviewed him, we
28:40
Speaker 2: didn't hire him immediately. The next year went back to him,
28:43
Speaker 2: and this was for a scouting assistant position. And then
28:46
Speaker 2: Monty came to us. He worked for us, and then
28:48
Speaker 2: he left, but then he came back. Because the circumstances
28:52
Speaker 2: and the situation, there has to be this marriage of
28:55
Speaker 2: circumstances being right. I always talk about player development and
28:59
Speaker 2: quarterback development being circumstantial. Right. It takes a village, and
29:04
Speaker 2: there's often been very talented quarterbacks to come into this
29:07
Speaker 2: league that are brought into the wrong circumstance of development.
29:12
Speaker 2: Whether it's the head coach, whether it's the staff, whether
29:15
Speaker 2: it's the culture, whether it's the talent around that person,
29:18
Speaker 2: they don't get the chance to develop. And I know it.
29:22
Speaker 2: This is related to the exact question that you were asking,
29:24
Speaker 2: is making sure that you're bringing people in under the
29:28
Speaker 2: right set of circumstances so you can develop them.
29:31
Speaker 1: One of my friends we now work together for NFL.
29:34
Speaker 1: They hired us together, but is Matt Castle. And was
29:38
Speaker 1: talking to Matt literally yesterday. He was at the house
29:40
Speaker 1: and so at super cool. NFL hired us. We do
29:43
Speaker 1: a show together. And first of all, it's annoying because
29:46
Speaker 1: he's like tall and good looking and like every it's all,
29:49
Speaker 1: he got all the traits. But he was talking. I
29:52
Speaker 1: asked him, I said, who on your headstone, like, who
29:54
Speaker 1: would be your team? Because he had the Patriots, he
29:57
Speaker 1: had the Chiefs, and then he had a couple bounds
29:59
Speaker 1: rounds and he said it would be the Patriots because
30:02
Speaker 1: here's the guy and he said this that never started
30:04
Speaker 1: in college and was drafted and was kept around by
30:08
Speaker 1: an organization and then given a chance, and that chance
30:12
Speaker 1: he won eleven games that year and was able to go,
30:17
Speaker 1: yeah to go, and you end up trading to Kansas
30:19
Speaker 1: City because there was value there and you had your
30:20
Speaker 1: quarterback back. So what would you say about Matt cast
30:25
Speaker 1: what did you see in him? Because again not just
30:27
Speaker 1: about Matt, but why a quarterback that's never played where?
30:31
Speaker 1: What did you identify within him?
30:33
Speaker 2: I love this question and I love this person. First
30:37
Speaker 2: of all, Matt. I adore Matt and his family, right
30:42
Speaker 2: and you know, so here's the thing. We had a
30:45
Speaker 2: scout out there who I was. I was out at USC,
30:49
Speaker 2: and he said, you know, and they had had during
30:52
Speaker 2: Matt's time there, they had back to back Heisman Trophy winners,
30:55
Speaker 2: two quarterbacks. They was a liner and Reggie Bush Palmer quarterback,
31:01
Speaker 2: I mean starting out ahead of him. There was this
31:04
Speaker 2: guy that that that Matt Russell, who was our West
31:07
Speaker 2: area scout, had brought him up. He mentioned him, and
31:09
Speaker 2: then another scout mentioned to just just brought him up
31:14
Speaker 2: while they got so much talent there. And here's the
31:16
Speaker 2: thing about programs like that, USC at that point in time,
31:20
Speaker 2: had backups who could play in the NFL and should
31:23
Speaker 2: have been drafted. I mean, heck, you know, Clay Matthews
31:26
Speaker 2: the third didn't. He sat the bench for four years,
31:29
Speaker 2: didn't play until his senior year. But I remember being
31:32
Speaker 2: there at practice and I was watching the quarterbacks throw
31:35
Speaker 2: and I'm watching this guy Castle, who was a CEO.
31:37
Speaker 2: I was like, this guy's interesting. He had the prototype body,
31:40
Speaker 2: looked good and you know in terms of quarterback which
31:43
Speaker 2: were looked for through the ball well, and he had
31:46
Speaker 2: this really good energy about him. Then as practice starts,
31:50
Speaker 2: this guy's wearing like one of those pullover pennies on
31:53
Speaker 2: the kickoff coverage scout team. He's doing anything and everything.
31:57
Speaker 2: And then at their pro day he threw. And we're like,
32:01
Speaker 2: we're firm believers in player development and the value of
32:05
Speaker 2: drafting a quarterback, trying to draft a quarterback every year
32:08
Speaker 2: to bring in and develop because you never know what
32:10
Speaker 2: you're going to be able to develop end or find.
32:13
Speaker 2: In matt we found a guy who was smart, who
32:15
Speaker 2: was dedicated, who loved the game, willing to do anything
32:18
Speaker 2: and everything, and we said, well, you know, I at worst,
32:22
Speaker 2: this guy might be able to be a really good
32:24
Speaker 2: backup quarterback. That's what we thought of him coming out.
32:27
Speaker 2: Draft him in the seventh round, and you're right, he
32:29
Speaker 2: becomes a starter. When Brady gets hurt, he helps us
32:32
Speaker 2: to win eleven games and traded for him and people.
32:37
Speaker 2: I think Matt ended up doing fourteen or fifteen years
32:40
Speaker 2: in the league. And when he was in Kansas City,
32:42
Speaker 2: when Charlie Weis was our coordinator that year, Matt threw
32:46
Speaker 2: for twenty seven touchdowns and only seven interceptions, went to
32:49
Speaker 2: the Pro Bowl, and we won the division. Matt was
32:53
Speaker 2: also Here's why I say Matt's really smart. Matt was
32:58
Speaker 2: acutely aware of what he do and what he couldn't do.
33:01
Speaker 2: He trusted the coaches around him in the right when
33:06
Speaker 2: he was at his best. He trusted the coaches around
33:08
Speaker 2: him to put him in a position to succeed and
33:13
Speaker 2: not fail. And I know that sounds so basic and generic,
33:16
Speaker 2: but coaches players aren't always put in a position in
33:22
Speaker 2: order for them to succeed. And when Matt was put
33:25
Speaker 2: in that position, he had a great deal of success.
33:29
Speaker 1: So I know Matt's going to hear this, and I
33:31
Speaker 1: hope he's gonna whatever he's gonna hear it, I'm gonna
33:33
Speaker 1: compliment him and it's annoying because MAT's my friend and
33:35
Speaker 1: it's weird to compliment your friends openly and outwardly. Whenever
33:38
Speaker 1: we started to work together, and I'm wondering, if this
33:40
Speaker 1: is a trait with successful quarterbacks? Is where I'm getting
33:44
Speaker 1: Matt was like, Hey, I want to get good at this,
33:46
Speaker 1: and I was like, cool. Everybody says they want to
33:48
Speaker 1: get good at everything. It's easy to say you want
33:50
Speaker 1: to get good at something. It's hard to actually put
33:52
Speaker 1: in the work and take the critique or the criticism
33:57
Speaker 1: that leads to positivity afterward because some people don't have
34:01
Speaker 1: the stomach or the skin for it. And so you know,
34:03
Speaker 1: I will evaluate, I will go and I did all
34:06
Speaker 1: this work on game tape. I call it like our shows.
34:08
Speaker 1: I evaluate everything I was doing, Matt was doing. I
34:11
Speaker 1: was like, here's how we're gonna grow.
34:12
Speaker 4: Here's what we did.
34:12
Speaker 1: And I sent him this whole report and he afterward
34:17
Speaker 1: we had finished working and we're just walking and talking
34:19
Speaker 1: and he was like, man, I appreciate that so much.
34:21
Speaker 1: I read this, I'm gonna do that, and I'm going, man, this,
34:25
Speaker 1: if this is like the successful quarterback way of working,
34:29
Speaker 1: I need to have more successful quarterback friends because he
34:31
Speaker 1: just wanted to learn. He took what it wasn't criticism.
34:34
Speaker 1: It could it could have been taken as a but
34:36
Speaker 1: it was what I saw as tools for growth. And
34:41
Speaker 1: like within like twelve hours, he was doing everything that
34:45
Speaker 1: was written there for him.
34:47
Speaker 2: And so Bobby, I'm we could talk about this for hours.
34:51
Speaker 2: You are nailing. It's going back to what I was
34:53
Speaker 2: talking about, making sure that you have the right people
34:55
Speaker 2: and in this situation, the circumstance and the culture you're
35:00
Speaker 2: going to develop them. At the New England Patriots, we
35:03
Speaker 2: knew what we were right. We were. It was uncomfortable,
35:06
Speaker 2: it was emotionally draining at times. It was a lot.
35:10
Speaker 2: We were a lot, and we understood that there was
35:12
Speaker 2: a certain type of makeup and mentality and emotional and
35:17
Speaker 2: mental endurance that was necessary. We knew Matt had that,
35:21
Speaker 2: and we intentionally looked out for players. Again, we looked
35:24
Speaker 2: for prototypical skills, tools, all of that stuff, but there
35:28
Speaker 2: was a certain type of makeup that was required, and
35:31
Speaker 2: you are nailing it. When you talk to Matt, you
35:33
Speaker 2: sent him that it's it's not You're right, he's not
35:38
Speaker 2: thin skinned. And because you can't survive never mind survive.
35:42
Speaker 2: But you can't develop and survive in that program the
35:45
Speaker 2: way it is wrong or right, fair, unfair, that's what
35:48
Speaker 2: the program is. We had to find certain people. I
35:51
Speaker 2: love that you're telling that story because that was one
35:53
Speaker 2: of the things about Matt. There were times where it
35:56
Speaker 2: could get too rough, and I saw that happen to
35:59
Speaker 2: him at times where you know, that's a very fine
36:01
Speaker 2: line between critique and criticism and over the top criticism.
36:07
Speaker 2: And there were times, you know, over his career at
36:10
Speaker 2: different teams, I saw it. You know, it got too
36:13
Speaker 2: much at times and he would pull back, but he
36:18
Speaker 2: received that, and you're telling that story about him. Those
36:21
Speaker 2: are the type of people that you look for because
36:23
Speaker 2: I don't think anyone hires someone You're not bringing him
36:27
Speaker 2: on as a partner to make his life uncomfortable or unhappy, right.
36:32
Speaker 2: You want to succeed together, So when you're giving him feedback,
36:35
Speaker 2: you're really doing it not just for him, but for
36:37
Speaker 2: the greater good.
36:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I wondered, is that a trait of the
36:43
Speaker 1: most successful I won't even say quarterbacks, but NFL players?
36:48
Speaker 2: Hmm, wow, some of the most successful that I've been around,
36:53
Speaker 2: you know, And again at the Patriots. At the Chiefs,
36:57
Speaker 2: those were the type of personalities and and the makeup
37:00
Speaker 2: that we had to hone in on. You know, again,
37:03
Speaker 2: under Dan Quinn was there was a different style equally
37:08
Speaker 2: as effective. Dan's a great coach, and I love Dan.
37:12
Speaker 2: Dan approaches things and his staff approach things a little
37:15
Speaker 2: bit differently, so we didn't have to focus on that
37:19
Speaker 2: as much. Now I'll say this though, they had to
37:22
Speaker 2: be equally as tough and equally as smart as what
37:24
Speaker 2: we looked for at the Patriots, that's for sure.
37:27
Speaker 1: Players coach versus a non players coach. Is that even
37:30
Speaker 1: a thing anymore?
37:32
Speaker 2: I honestly never understood the players coach thing, right because
37:39
Speaker 2: you asked different people. It means different things. Back in
37:42
Speaker 2: the day when I used to hear people say a
37:44
Speaker 2: player's coach, those players were the type of people who
37:48
Speaker 2: were who didn't want to be held accountable. Right, it was.
37:52
Speaker 2: But I think it has a different I think it
37:55
Speaker 2: has a different definition now and I think it's just
37:59
Speaker 2: they're looking for someone to be more relatable and more Again,
38:03
Speaker 2: what the word is is deemed to be respectful, not
38:07
Speaker 2: that it wasn't respectful in the past, but I think
38:10
Speaker 2: I always have to figure out. When I hear someone
38:13
Speaker 2: say they like a player's coach again, is that someone
38:15
Speaker 2: who's saying they're being respectful or they're not holding me accountable.
38:20
Speaker 1: How do you feel about assistance interviewing while they're still
38:23
Speaker 1: in the playoffs?
38:25
Speaker 2: It's you know, I think it's a bad thing. And
38:28
Speaker 2: and and here's what I'll say is it's the blessing
38:33
Speaker 2: and the curse because at the years of the Patriots,
38:36
Speaker 2: we were constantly getting requests for coaches to be interviewed.
38:40
Speaker 2: Same thing when when you know, when we were at
38:42
Speaker 2: the Falcons looking for DQ, DQ was in the you know,
38:45
Speaker 2: we couldn't talk to him until afterwards, but because he
38:49
Speaker 2: was with Seattle, it's a real distraction. But I don't
38:52
Speaker 2: know what the right answer is. We can sit here
38:54
Speaker 2: and say, well, we have to wait until after the playoffs. Well,
38:56
Speaker 2: if you wait after the playoffs, here's the reality and
38:58
Speaker 2: we all know this. I mean, let's what is. There's
39:00
Speaker 2: going to be tampering. They're going to be people finding
39:03
Speaker 2: ways to circumvent, circumvent and or break rules, even if
39:07
Speaker 2: they're not having direct contact with a candidate. All of
39:10
Speaker 2: these candidates have close friends, they have agents, They have
39:14
Speaker 2: people's people out there, they have touch points of people.
39:17
Speaker 2: So to me, I don't know what the right answer is.
39:20
Speaker 2: I think is if we do something where we wait
39:23
Speaker 2: until everyone has to wait until after the playoffs or
39:26
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl to be interviewed. We have to understand
39:29
Speaker 2: that rules are going to be broken and as a league,
39:31
Speaker 2: we're going to have to be willing to enforce those
39:36
Speaker 2: rules because there are sometimes we've seen where rules are
39:39
Speaker 2: out there, they're not fully enforced, and then it becomes
39:43
Speaker 2: a charade.
39:44
Speaker 1: I had three final questions, what's it like the week
39:48
Speaker 1: of the Super Bowl for the head exec because I
39:52
Speaker 1: know what it's like for a player. I've talked to them.
39:54
Speaker 1: What are you dialing in double? Are you sending back
39:57
Speaker 1: chilling double?
39:58
Speaker 2: No, there's no chilling because here you're working on the
40:01
Speaker 2: next season. You're still having draft meetings. Because when you
40:04
Speaker 2: get done at the Super Bowl, you know it's February.
40:07
Speaker 2: And this whole idea and concept that coaches are involved.
40:11
Speaker 2: If you're in the Super Bowl, coaches don't see they
40:15
Speaker 2: don't see prospects that you're going to draft in April.
40:17
Speaker 2: They don't see them until February, right because as soon
40:20
Speaker 2: as the season's over. They also get a week off
40:22
Speaker 2: for two weeks off, not the head coach, but the
40:24
Speaker 2: assistant coaches. So you're still you're preparing for free agency.
40:28
Speaker 2: You're preparing a plan for the salary cap, you're preparing
40:32
Speaker 2: a plan for the draft. This way when the season,
40:34
Speaker 2: I'll never forget. After our first Super Bowl, Belichick and
40:37
Speaker 2: I are flying back, we're flying back for New Orleans,
40:39
Speaker 2: and we're huddled up together because that was the year
40:41
Speaker 2: actually they were I want to say it was the
40:43
Speaker 2: year before the Texans came in. We were having this.
40:46
Speaker 2: We had just won the Super Bowl. We were heading
40:48
Speaker 2: back to Boston, and here we were trying to side
40:51
Speaker 2: on the six players that we were going to put
40:54
Speaker 2: out there as being players that were available for the
40:59
Speaker 2: expand draft. And there's always work to be done. If
41:04
Speaker 2: you're an executive or a front office person and you're
41:07
Speaker 2: chilling before the Super Bowl, I mean, the Senior Bowls
41:10
Speaker 2: is going to be the AFC Championship, NFC Championship. For
41:13
Speaker 2: this weekend, the Senior Bowl's going on. I'm right down
41:17
Speaker 2: here at the East West right now, I'm leaving from
41:18
Speaker 2: here to go to the Senior Bowl. You're working on
41:21
Speaker 2: the future and if you're it's one of those things.
41:24
Speaker 2: I look back retrospectively so blessed to go to five
41:27
Speaker 2: Super Bowls. I look back at those times, part of
41:30
Speaker 2: me says, I wish I would have enjoyed those moments more.
41:34
Speaker 2: But quite honestly, if I was enjoying those moments, I
41:36
Speaker 2: would not have been serving my teammates, meaning the group
41:40
Speaker 2: that I worked with, and the ownership and the fan
41:42
Speaker 2: base very well.
41:44
Speaker 1: I have final two questions. Who is your favorite I say,
41:48
Speaker 1: I should say most proud of draft pick that wasn't
41:51
Speaker 1: a first rounder but fourth fifth rounder that ended up
41:54
Speaker 1: like you bet on him and it turned into the
41:56
Speaker 1: real deal.
41:58
Speaker 2: I can't give you a favor. That's I say, I
42:01
Speaker 2: only have one child, so I can say who's your
42:02
Speaker 2: favorite child. I can also say my daughter Mia is
42:08
Speaker 2: my favorite child. But it's like we were so fortunate.
42:12
Speaker 2: There were so many different I mean, the easy answer
42:15
Speaker 2: for everyone else is, oh, it has to be Brady,
42:16
Speaker 2: who you drafted in the sixth round. Well, and not
42:19
Speaker 2: me specifically we drafted in the sixth round. But I
42:22
Speaker 2: think of guys like Dan Copen. You know, I think
42:25
Speaker 2: there were a lot you just brought up Matt Castle.
42:28
Speaker 2: Here's a guy we drafted in the seventh round, had
42:29
Speaker 2: a fourteen year career. I was a part of the
42:33
Speaker 2: group that that that drafted Grady Jarrett in the fifth round.
42:38
Speaker 2: I mean, this is I wish I'd have prepared for this.
42:41
Speaker 2: But there's you know, there's David Gibbons. I was so
42:45
Speaker 2: proud of that guy. The list goes on and on
42:49
Speaker 2: a I mean, I know, I'm not coming up with
42:51
Speaker 2: a name. Danny Copen was a terrific one. I don't
42:54
Speaker 2: know how many folks remember Danny Copen, but center that
42:58
Speaker 2: was so important us. You know at the Patriots and
43:00
Speaker 2: those championships.
43:03
Speaker 1: Don't word you have seven names? You like, I don't
43:04
Speaker 1: have any names.
43:05
Speaker 4: You have seven?
43:06
Speaker 1: You have us plenty. That was that was great. You
43:08
Speaker 1: are at the You're at the Shrine Bowl. So you're
43:11
Speaker 1: in Ats and Dallas, right, you're a Jerry's world. That's
43:13
Speaker 1: where what so what do you do out there? Like,
43:15
Speaker 1: what's what's the goal?
43:16
Speaker 2: So actually I do some consulting work for the league,
43:20
Speaker 2: and part of what they asked me to do is
43:21
Speaker 2: they bring me down here and also to the Seaming
43:23
Speaker 2: Bowl and I spend time. I come down early. The
43:25
Speaker 2: players are arriving right now as we're speaking. But I
43:28
Speaker 2: spend time meeting with a lot of the coaches because
43:31
Speaker 2: there's a lot of young assistant coaches that they bring
43:36
Speaker 2: to the that coach these games, and I'm here as
43:38
Speaker 2: a resource for them and to spend time with them
43:41
Speaker 2: because they all have aspirations to do something more. So
43:45
Speaker 2: I spend time visiting with them, talking about the NFL,
43:48
Speaker 2: their future, a lot of questions I get. It's it's
43:52
Speaker 2: a little mentoring work. And quite honestly, I do get
43:56
Speaker 2: some folks that reach out as they're looking to hire
43:59
Speaker 2: people and they want to know some of the people
44:00
Speaker 2: and I have, you know, I'm a scout, so I'm
44:02
Speaker 2: keeping my notebook over here and evaluating some of these
44:05
Speaker 2: people and how they run meetings. I sit in on meetings.
44:08
Speaker 2: I listened to install I listened to how they're interacting
44:11
Speaker 2: with players. I watch how they're interacting with the players.
44:13
Speaker 2: But then I also spend time with players. So it's
44:16
Speaker 2: it's it's work that I do that's mentoring and helping
44:21
Speaker 2: these you know, younger coaches build for their future.
44:25
Speaker 1: The final thing the Family Fund for Women coaches and
44:27
Speaker 1: Scouts what so why why are you so passionate about this?
44:32
Speaker 1: And I know this is very important to you. Kind
44:34
Speaker 1: of explain what it is.
44:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'll give you the background how it started,
44:37
Speaker 2: and I don't do you remember Katie Sours did the
44:40
Speaker 2: coach all right? So so Katie was our daughter's fifth
44:44
Speaker 2: grade basketball coach. That's how I got to know Katie.
44:48
Speaker 2: And when we hired Katie Uh at the Atlanta Falcons,
44:52
Speaker 2: it was a I brought her in as an intern,
44:54
Speaker 2: then we're going to keep her on full time. Offered
44:56
Speaker 2: her a job, but the salary wasn't enough because it
44:59
Speaker 2: was only going to be a one year coaching thing,
45:01
Speaker 2: and she had home car payments in Kansas City, which
45:07
Speaker 2: is where she was living, and she needed help with
45:13
Speaker 2: living expenses if she was going to take this job.
45:15
Speaker 2: So my wife and I ended up paying for her apartment.
45:19
Speaker 2: And that year that she worked with us, when we
45:21
Speaker 2: went to the Super Bowl, and it was this thing
45:25
Speaker 2: that came into our minds during this time. Because I'm
45:29
Speaker 2: gonna be quite honest here. You know, when when it's
45:32
Speaker 2: time for young men to get jobs, most coaches can say, hey,
45:36
Speaker 2: come stay at our place, come stay here. There's different
45:41
Speaker 2: perceptions of the circumstances when when when you say to
45:47
Speaker 2: a woman, hey, come stay at our house rights, it's
45:50
Speaker 2: one of the many, many, many things that is so unfair.
45:54
Speaker 2: So my wife and I decided to put in Dallas
45:56
Speaker 2: Fund into Women's Sports Foundation. I'm on the board of
45:58
Speaker 2: the Women's Sports Foundation. Billy Jean King is a dear
46:01
Speaker 2: friend and mentor of mine. And this, this scholarship or
46:06
Speaker 2: it's a grant, is in place for young women who
46:09
Speaker 2: are going to be coaches or scouts in the early
46:12
Speaker 2: part of their career to enables that enables them to
46:18
Speaker 2: have an opportunity to take care of the bills that
46:20
Speaker 2: you know, that living expenses and helping pay for their
46:25
Speaker 2: rent because there are obstacles that they have that that
46:30
Speaker 2: that are different, that are different. And you know, I
46:33
Speaker 2: look back Jennifer King, you know who's been a full
46:35
Speaker 2: time coach in the NFL for years. She was one
46:37
Speaker 2: of our first recipients. You know, Jennifer, you know, was
46:41
Speaker 2: up at Dartmouth coaching for the late Great Buddy Tevens
46:44
Speaker 2: and she was going to make four thousand dollars that fall,
46:47
Speaker 2: but she was able to get money in order to
46:49
Speaker 2: take that job. She was a head basketball coach head
46:52
Speaker 2: women's basketball coach won an nai A championship, quit her
46:55
Speaker 2: job and wanted to coach ball. She needed help so
46:58
Speaker 2: that that's a large part of what this is.
47:00
Speaker 1: And for more information, you guys, go to Women's Sports
47:02
Speaker 1: Foundation dot org. Scott, you're my favorite, Matt and I
47:05
Speaker 1: will be down to the super Bowl in New Orleans.
47:07
Speaker 1: If you're around, we'd love to see you. Oh heck
47:10
Speaker 1: you well, we'll just be it. Well, you'll see us
47:12
Speaker 1: with the two really good looking guys that are walking around.
47:14
Speaker 1: You know, two athletically good looking guys. You can't miss us. Scott. Seriously,
47:18
Speaker 1: you're my favorite and hopefully I will see you soon.
47:21
Speaker 1: And thank you so much for your time.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Bobby, appreciate you man.
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Speaker 1: preview Commanders at Eagles Eagles a six point favorite, Let's
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Speaker 1: go Sprey? Does everyboy think the Eagles are gonna win
48:47
Speaker 1: eight maynight.
48:48
Speaker 4: Will I think.
48:48
Speaker 3: I think that the Eagles will win, but I think
48:50
Speaker 3: Commanders will cover.
48:51
Speaker 1: Okay, so is everybody straight up Eagles win? Yes, yeh okay,
48:55
Speaker 1: so for sure they'll lose great okay. Way, it's like
48:58
Speaker 1: on game day when they all go Boston College and
49:01
Speaker 1: then if they all go, uh, it's Eagles minus six,
49:06
Speaker 1: though I think the Eagles also cover.
49:08
Speaker 3: Same Eddie, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go Washington plus six.
49:14
Speaker 1: Read this is uh NFL, I think, yeah, oh NFL. Okay,
49:20
Speaker 1: come out, No, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go Eagles,
49:22
Speaker 1: yeah minus six.
49:24
Speaker 4: Casey, yeah, I think the Eagles will cover.
49:25
Speaker 1: And the big one, the main event, Come on, baby,
49:28
Speaker 1: Bill's the Chiefs. Chiefs Chiefs a point and a half
49:30
Speaker 1: favorite in Kansas City. Let's just go heads up, straight up.
49:33
Speaker 1: We don't need to. That's one and a half is
49:35
Speaker 1: so tight.
49:36
Speaker 5: Than't even who is the game? Kevin, I'm gonna go Bills.
49:39
Speaker 5: Been going with him in the playoffs. I think it's
49:42
Speaker 5: Josh Allen's year. He's finally like settling down and playing
49:45
Speaker 5: not too out of control, and he's gonna get it done.
49:47
Speaker 1: Finally, I'm rolling Chiefs. I've learned never bet against the Chiefs.
49:51
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, I've bet with the Chiefs
49:53
Speaker 1: every time, so I've not learned to not bet against them.
49:55
Speaker 1: I've learned that if you bet with them, Yes, So
49:59
Speaker 1: I'm going City Hard. It's gonna be fun too. If
50:02
Speaker 1: you go to Super Bowl, Kansasity's playing, that's pretty cool.
50:04
Speaker 1: So I'm going Kansas City. I will not touch the spread.
50:08
Speaker 1: I will bet money line regardless because it is so tight.
50:10
Speaker 1: But I'm going Kansas City. Eddie.
50:12
Speaker 3: I'm like, you, man, learn from your mistakes, and I've
50:14
Speaker 3: always I didn't make a mistake, I can know, but
50:16
Speaker 3: I've always said, like you know, Chiefs, come on, they've
50:18
Speaker 3: gotta lose. At some point, they've gotta lose. But we've
50:20
Speaker 3: seen it over and over and over. Man, the Chiefs
50:23
Speaker 3: are gonna win. Jeef Kingdom, Baby, Jeef Kingdoms.
50:27
Speaker 1: That's my home, that's my homes right, two Chiefs, one
50:31
Speaker 1: bills read. Chiefs did good for me last year on
50:34
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, so I'm gonna I'm gonna stick with them.
50:36
Speaker 1: And they did good for you as you bet them.
50:38
Speaker 4: Yeah, Casey, Yeah, I mean I think Mahomes is gonna,
50:41
Speaker 4: you know, have two or three amazing plays that are gonna,
50:44
Speaker 4: you know, decide this game.
50:45
Speaker 1: So Kansas City playoff wins. Patrick Mahomes second all time,
50:48
Speaker 1: tied with Joe Montana Crazy with sixteen. Tom Brady has
50:52
Speaker 1: thirty five playoff wins percentages, though Patrick combs eighty four
50:56
Speaker 1: percent winning percentage in the playoffs, Tom Brady seventy two.
50:59
Speaker 3: Kevin, you want to say.
51:02
Speaker 5: A lot more games?
51:02
Speaker 1: Definitely, yeah, but sixteen and three a lot more games.
51:06
Speaker 1: It's a lot more games. Yeah, here, yeah, I love
51:09
Speaker 1: them both. I don't know, but I know, I think
51:11
Speaker 1: my home. I'm just saying I love them both. So
51:18
Speaker 1: a couple of notes before we jump out on today's show.
51:22
Speaker 1: We are going no, obviously not next week because there
51:26
Speaker 1: is no game I guess the Pro Bowl games, but
51:28
Speaker 1: the Super Bowls next week, so we will be in
51:30
Speaker 1: New Orleans and so far, like on the list, look
51:34
Speaker 1: at it earlier, we have EMMITTT. Smith.
51:37
Speaker 3: That's awesome.
51:38
Speaker 1: Deon Sanders, let's go next coach coach by then you
51:45
Speaker 1: will know, yeah, oh my gosh.
51:47
Speaker 3: Can you imagine, dude, if he ends up being the
51:49
Speaker 3: coach and we get to talk to him.
51:51
Speaker 1: Yeah, by then you will know.
51:52
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness.
51:53
Speaker 1: So who else do we have? Okay, Reggie Bush and
51:59
Speaker 1: Greg Olson, said Nico Collins. Nico Collins, Yeah, some of
52:02
Speaker 1: them waiting for a final, final confirmation. But yeah, Nico Collins.
52:06
Speaker 3: So and what about Jordan Peel, No key.
52:10
Speaker 1: He's doing our other show.
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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, you can be there, you'll be I want
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Speaker 3: to see that.
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Speaker 1: He's so funny, Michael. So that's going to happen. So
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Speaker 1: it's going to be a good trip. One of you
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Speaker 1: will not be able to go to the super Bowl
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Speaker 1: because I have four tickets for five people, and that
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Speaker 1: one of the four will be Kevin, Mike Reed or Eddie.
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Speaker 1: This has not been settled already. I've not had any
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Speaker 1: conversations outside of the show. Here's what we're going to
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Speaker 1: do on Monday's show. We will get it down to
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Speaker 1: two people who will not be able to go, and
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Speaker 1: so we are going to play a game on Monday's
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Speaker 1: show of twenty five whistles, and we'll draw that who's
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Speaker 1: playing who in the game, and if you lose, you
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Speaker 1: aren't out, but somebody else is going to lose as well,
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Speaker 1: and they're not out. But then they will play a
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Speaker 1: game and then that lot and possibly it's going to
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Speaker 1: be connected for because they have the game here. But
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Speaker 1: pas not. I'm gonna spend over the weekend looking at
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Speaker 1: board games.
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Speaker 3: It's not that squid game game that you bought, is it.
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Speaker 1: Okay, we have to pick somebody. I don't want someone
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Speaker 1: going thinking they get to go to the super Bowl
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Speaker 1: and they don't get to go.
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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh.
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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, so we'll do that Monday show. By the way,
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Speaker 1: roughing the Passer on all quarterbacks if you guys saw
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Speaker 1: this or not. As far as what's.
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Speaker 3: Up, Kevin's already doesn't want to talking about this.
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Speaker 1: Per one hundred attempts called, people that got the most
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Speaker 1: roughing the passer calls, Matt Ryan was number one. This
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Speaker 1: is all time, Ryan Fitzpatrick at two, Russell Wilson at three,
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Speaker 1: Stafford a four, Rogers at five, Wow at six, Tannehill
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Speaker 1: at seven, Gone at eight, Josh Allen, yeah, at nine,
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Speaker 1: Cam Newton. And so now we're getting down to where
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Speaker 1: So first of all, not even the top ten are
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Speaker 1: Mahomes and Brady right, well, one of them is in
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Speaker 1: the top ten. They come in at number ten.
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Speaker 3: This is kind of destroying your theory a little bit yours. No,
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Speaker 3: it's not not at all, Tannehill. They're not trying to
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Speaker 3: protect him.
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Speaker 1: No, bring they're just killing him, some of them, some
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Speaker 1: of them side to protected. They're just like, he just
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Speaker 1: gets killed because off of thee. I'm sorry, Cam Newton
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Speaker 1: has that many just because he was such a running quarterback.
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Speaker 1: At number ten is Tom Brady gets gets Tom Brady
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Speaker 1: got way more calls than Patrick Mahomes, but bigger sample size,
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Speaker 1: bigger sample size, and now it's per one hundred so
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Speaker 1: there's no sample size.
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Speaker 4: I got him.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, data, dude, data.
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Speaker 1: Brady gets in the top ten. Yeah. Do you have Wentz, Cutler, Roethlisberger, Mahomes. Yeah.
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Speaker 5: So this list is all over the place.
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Speaker 1: It sounds pretty easily all over the place. If Pearl
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Speaker 1: it's it's it doesn't matter.
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Speaker 5: I'm just saying the names are all over the place.
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Speaker 5: The names are all over there.
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Speaker 3: There's no pattern. Definitely, I'm saying.
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Speaker 1: NFL quarterbacks who started you've never heard.
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Speaker 5: You've never heard Ryan Tannehill, Tom Brady before and.
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Speaker 3: Two was not on there too.
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Speaker 1: Either.
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Speaker 3: Huh.
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Speaker 1: Well, he got rough in once in about three months,
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Speaker 1: got rough once it was out nine months.
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Speaker 4: Poor guys.
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Speaker 1: The last thing that I will say is we can
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Speaker 1: conclude on this, Eddie, you might have to bring a
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Speaker 1: suit with you on this trip.
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Speaker 3: Oh sure for the super Bowl, no problem. We sitting
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Speaker 3: in the owner suite.
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Speaker 1: I don't think I can officially announce it, but I
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Speaker 1: think that I am presenting NFL Honors Wow on the
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Speaker 1: TV show. I think. And so if they're like, you
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Speaker 1: bring you have to bring somebody, I'll let you know
55:25
Speaker 1: you meant to bring a suit.
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Speaker 2: Wow.
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Speaker 5: Okay, so if he gets to go to that, he
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Speaker 5: doesn't go to the super Bowl.
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Speaker 1: Fair point. We'll talk about it Monday.
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Speaker 3: That's not a fair point.
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Speaker 1: But wow, Mike, but that would be cool to go
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Speaker 1: to that, right with all the athletes?
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Speaker 3: Amazing?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you may have to bring a suit. I'm
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Speaker 1: not confirmed.
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Speaker 3: Am I getting on stage with you?
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Speaker 1: Yeah? We're doing it together. So okay, we're doing it together.
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Speaker 5: And he shows up in a Romo jersey.
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Speaker 1: Right, that's it. Thank you guys. Uh go check out
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