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Shea Houdmann: Biblical Response To Lies About ‘Christian Nationalism’ Narrative · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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  defending biblical Christianity.
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  No topic, off limits.
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  And now, here's your host, David Fiorazo.
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  Hello friends, family in Christ.
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  Thank you so much for your prayers, your support.
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  that have been getting in touch with us.
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  We're going to talk about a lot of different issues today in a place where you can go find
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  resources.
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  And by resources, one of the things I mean is answers to biblical questions.
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  So I want to bring in Shay Hoodman.
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  He's from gotquestions.org, the president of Got Questions.
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  That's a great resource, excellent website.
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  And he told me before we got on the air here, I know that says 756,000 plus.
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  But with all their other languages that they've received questions, it's over a million.
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  So that's quite the undertaking.
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  So I want to bring in Shay.
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  Welcome brother to World View Matters.
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  Good to see you.
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  Well, thank you, David.
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  It's a pleasure to talk to you again.
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  Yeah.
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  How long have you been with Got Questions and when did you guys start?
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  So yeah, by wife and I launched gotquestions.org a little over 22 years ago.
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  So spend my full time ministry calling for the past 22 years.
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  22 years, my goodness.
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  Now when you guys started, how did you start accumulating all the different biblical topics
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  and possible questions outside the big hot topics, the controversial ones?
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  How did you accumulate what to provide information and answers to?
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  When we first launched the website, all as it was was like a one page.
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  Here's a forum, ask us a question.
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  So it started just accumulating from starting to see here the questions people are asking
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  over and over and over again.
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  You know, maybe we should actually start publishing some of these
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  freaking last questions on the website.
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  And so then the website starts growing and then more people are visiting because now
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  they're finding us in the surgeons and so forth.
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  So over the past 22 years, it's taking what was a very, very simple beginning
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  and just exploding it into one of the most frequently visited Christian websites in the world.
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  We're approaching 10,000 freaking last questions, articles on the website.
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  So the vast majority of people now find their answers actually on the website,
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  just by searching or searching in Google and finding us that way versus actually
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  submitting a question.
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  But originally, it was just people submitting questions to us.
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  Right.
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  Wow.
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  So by the way, you've got one of the things you can click on is the top 20 most frequently asked questions.
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  Now, is that in order of the most frequent?
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  In other words, number one right now says, what does the Bible say about women pastors?
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  Is that the most common question or are they not in order?
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  They actually are in order.
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  That particular one is based primarily on the questions are actually submitted to us.
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  Do you see some flex from one month to the next?
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  But truly, the issue of women pastors, I think is the most frequent last question related to that.
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  Obviously, they're not all worded.
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  What does the Bible say about women pastors?
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  But questions about that issue, definitely one of our top questions.
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  About women in leadership or what role should there's a woman have?
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  Biblically in a church, elders, things like that, authority in the church.
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  So I understand that.
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  That's very interesting that that's number one.
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  Also, great questions on here.
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  What happens after death?
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  Very basic questions that both believers and unbelievers are curious about.
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  But that's again, the top 20 most frequently asked Bible questions.
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  Out of that list, Shay, is there one or two maybe that surprised you as far as the frequency you get?
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  Oh, sure.
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  I sort of think of a couple like the fact that the do pets go to heaven.
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  That's that question's on there.
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  On a lot of people's minds, a lot of people really, really love their pets.
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  As I have a dog and I think the idea of getting to have spend eternity with my dog would be wonderful.
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  But at the same time, if that's not the case, I'm not going to be disappointed in my experience in heaven.
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  Even a question like, where was Jesus for the three days between his death and resurrection?
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  I say for 11 months out of the year, that's not a common question.
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  But that one's asked so frequently in whatever month Easter occurs, right?
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  Pushes that near the top of the list is from so many people ask questions related to that in that particular time of the year.
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  Very interesting.
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  We're going to be talking about number two in the second half of the podcast with you today.
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  The number two most frequently asked question, what does the Bible say about homosexuality?
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  Is it a sin?
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  It's sad that you even have to answer this, but I understand because of the level of biblical illiteracy in America,
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  and even sadly in our own pews and comfy seats in the churches, it's necessary, very necessary.
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  So I understand plus the way our culture is going.
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  But before we get to that, something that's come up and it maybe is more magnified in an election year,
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  that is Christian nationalism.
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  And you define in one of your articles, what is Christian nationalism?
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  You start with nationalism talking about a sense of loyalty and commitment to one's country.
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  And we can be proud of our country without having the sin of pride, right?
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  We can just say we're thankful to be in America in this free country,
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  we're thankful for our constitution, and we can have that kind of pride in our country.
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  And I guess that would be nationalism, that's that sense.
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  But recently, I came across an article over at the Washington stand called Leftists Propagandize a Christian nationalist scare.
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  And what I didn't realize is Rob Reiner, who I think he's a very famous producer, director,
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  and I think he was meet head on all in the family, if I remember right.
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  He came out with a documentary called God in Country.
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  Very deceptive, I think, but very, I think, it was very good tactic on their part.
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  But basically, it makes a strong case against political extremism in the name of Christ.
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  So we have to ask, Shay, what does that mean?
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  They don't like it, I believe, and I think we understand this.
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  When Christians influence culture for righteousness, for God,
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  I don't believe they like our stance on abortion, on marriage,
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  on creation and things like that.
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  So they don't want that influence in politics or the public square.
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  So they use the frame or the attack your Christian nationalists to kind of get people to back down.
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  So before we get into a few of the points on that article over at gotquestions.org,
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  just your thoughts on, has this been a problem in the past?
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  Have you seen this in the past, maybe in other election years,
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  or have you seen the attacks on quote, our founders or Christian nationalists growing?
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  Oh, for sure.
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  I mean, something is definitely growing this year, even more so.
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  This is the first time I actually seen what you're describing,
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  where the term Christian nationalism is being used almost as a scare tactic.
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  Where this person is a Christian nationalist and they believe that the United States
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  needs to enforce Christian morality, that the founding fathers were devoted evangelical Christians,
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  even though the term didn't really exist,
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  that they wanted the United States to be a Christian nation solely.
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  The other religions are welcome.
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  All these different things are that Christianity should have all the influence,
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  all the power that it's supposedly used to in the past of the United States.
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  So using that like as a scare tactic,
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  Christians are coming and they want to take over everything.
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  It's like, well, that's an extreme form of Christian nationalism.
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  I think what most people who are Christians who love living in the United States of America,
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  think it's like, you know, the United States must used to be a lot more friendly to the Christian faith.
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  A lot more of the laws of repassing were compatible with the Bible than they are now.
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  And we would like to see a return to that.
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  We would love to see the United States being more focused on ethics and morality
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  and the family and all the things that the Bible teaches and promotes,
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  rather than what we're seeing in our society today.
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  So saying that I'm a Christian and I love being an American,
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  that's not what most people think of when they think of Christian nationalism.
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  And yet anyone who even now says anything to the effect of, you know,
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  I really wish our nation could get back to some sort of Christian morality.
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  It's like, then then the Christian nationalist scare tactic is thrown in there.
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  It's like you're trying to transform the United States into a Christian nation,
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  something that never was, which we can debate all day.
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  Yeah, the founding fathers to what degree were they dedicated Christians?
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  Clearly they were believed they believed in the existence of God
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  and believed that God's rule and government was important to what degree they were Christians.
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  I mean, some definitely were others questionable based on things they said.
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  So, but just saying I would like to see the United States be a more moral and ethical
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  and Christian friendly nation.
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  That's not Christian asylum and that is not something that anyone should be fearful of.
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  No, and I think they use it often in terms of policy and legislation,
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  where I've heard so many people, someone's morality will be legislated.
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  So, do we want to protect life in the womb, preborn human beings, human babies,
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  or do we want to allow abortion on demand and not protect it?
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  We of course want to protect life, and that's one of the most basic rights
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  the right to life. You could put up a picture of our founders and say,
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  well, there's I guess they would be called Christian nationalists today.
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  Don't quote me on this, but I believe something like 92% of the all the founding letters
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  and documents had, there were some references to either God, the God of the Bible,
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  or biblical principles. As you said, that doesn't mean every one of our founders were Christian.
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  They were not. But they did believe in God as the higher power or authority.
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  They just constructed everything like that.
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  So, I want to go back to the article, what is Christian nationalism?
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  It's there's some good points. Critics will often claim it says Christian nationalism
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  when there is the slightest connection between a person's faith and his or her political
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  or social views. Shay Hoodman, how did we reach the point where now people are triggered
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  by saying you're getting, quote, political when we're talking about moral issues, for example,
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  life in the womb, sexual morality, things like that, the socialism versus, you know,
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  free markets or capitalism, these are moral issues. But yet people go, well, don't push that on
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  the rest of us, but we should be fighting for these things. This is biblical and this is righteousness.
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  Absolutely. I think is, biblical Christianity is Christians who actually believe in the
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  authority of Scripture becomes more and more of a minority viewpoint.
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  When we try to then say, look, hey, this is what we believe our nation should be built upon.
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  This is what we think should be our focus in our priority. That's when the people who no longer
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  hold those views, get rubbed their own way or get fearful or get aggressive and try to stamp it
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  out. And previous decades, even people who weren't, didn't consider themselves Christians,
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  at least for the most part agreed with Christian morality. And now we're reaching a point in our
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  society that that's not the case. Then I only do they not consider themselves Christians. They
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  also do not agree with Christian and major moral issues, whether that's abortion, whether that's
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  the LGBTQ plus movement, whether it's transgenders and whether it's any of these things, it's like
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  they are so far removed from the biblical foundations and generations of their families have
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  not been Christians that they don't have an understand what the Christian world view is. So
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  in the here say, we believe in protecting the lives of babies in the wombs. All they hear is
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  you're trying to take away women's reproductive rights. When you say that we believe the Bible
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  teaches that homosexuality is a sin, you're saying you don't think that people should be able to
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  choose who they love. So it's it's a completely different mindset. Your show is all about
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  worldview. Well, there's, when there used to be even Christians and non-Christians,
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  generally speaking, had the same worldview, or at least very similar worldviews, and now we're at
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  a point where the Christian worldview, especially a biblically focused worldview, is very, very
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  different than the worldview of those who do not consider themselves Christians. That's
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  right. Friends, I encourage you to go check out that question at GodQuestions.org. What is
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  Christian nationalism? Because we've got to move on. But there's there's nothing wrong with
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  wanting the morality that we believe in reading the Bible. Try to apply that to America. We're not
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  forcing. By the way, we can't change people's hearts. We can't force our faith on people. We can
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  share the gospel in love and truth. But we can't force people to believe. That's up to God. That's
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  a greater work than we can do. But I want to encourage you also, friends, to look up that article
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  over at TheWashingtonStand.com. Leftist propaganda is a Christian nationalist scare. It's six pages,
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  and there's a lot of good information. It explains what they're doing trying to warn that we're
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  taken over the country or something. We're not even close, but we're going the opposite way,
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  in my opinion. But when we come back from our quick break, we're going to talk about the Arab
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  Israeli conflict. And should over at GotQuestions, has this, should Christian support Israel?
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  And also we're going to talk about same-sex weddings and the sin of homosexuality and how that
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  applies to our decision when it comes to if we're invited to a same-sex wedding. And more with
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  Shay Hoodman at GotQuestions coming up next on World View Matters. Today's show is brought to
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  sponsoring. Okay, so let's talk about Israel, Shay. It's been on more people's minds and on more
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  Christians radar since October 7 in the horrific demonic attacks by Hamas. And it's just been
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  disturbing to see how many people in churches are a little confused about this question.
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  It's not surprising to see what's happened on college campuses in the university system,
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  but in churches. So the question over on your website, how should Christians respond to the
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  Arab-Israeli conflict? And then the other one that goes hand in hand with that should Christians
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  support the nation of Israel. So as you say in the article to give biblical support to Israel
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  does not require unthinking approval. And then it goes on. It talks about, you know, the world at
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  large has accused Israel of disproportionate responses to attacks on them. And just this really
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  is a head scratcher, but break this down for a Shay. First of all, the support of Israel.
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  And I think once you get that right, then people will have a better world view when it comes to
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  understanding the Arab-Israeli conflict. So your thoughts on that?
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  So it's such a fascinating question. Whenever there's an explosion of violence in Israel,
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  which has happened many, many times in our 22-year history, the question is like these
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  start pouring in. It's interesting that there's some theological background to this as well,
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  because there's a Christian perspective known as a pre-millennialism or even dispensationalism
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  that teaches that God still has a plan for the nation of Israel, that God will fulfill all of his
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  promises that he made to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and David literally by reestablishing the nation
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  of Israel, which he's done. And then after, after the end times, a literal kingdom ruled by
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  Jesus in his return from ruling over the world from Jerusalem. So within this other perspective,
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  who sees all of those promises as being figuratively fulfilled in the church through believers today,
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  that Jews and Gentiles are united as one in the church, but there's no actual remaining promises
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  to be fulfilled regarding the nation of Israel. I hold to the former viewpoint that God still
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  will literally fulfill his promises to Israel. So if you hold that viewpoint, you see the nation
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  of Israel today as a fulfillment of Bible prophecy that for nearly 2,000 years there was no
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  nation of Israel, and to see it reestablished is a powerful testimony to God's power and fulfilling
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  his promises. So then people around the world who don't understand this, they see the nation of
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  Israel as like, well, it didn't exist for a long time. Why was this artificially created? Why were
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  the people who were living in the land at that time? Many of them were kicked out of the land and
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  settled in the West Bank and in Gaza and Egypt and Jordan and Syria and so forth. That was unfair.
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  So then they therefore see those people when they're fighting its Israel, they see it as them
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  trying to reclaim what was rightfully there. So our perspective, which I believe is the biblical
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  perspective, is God promised that land to the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and
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  it's been fulfilled by the people of Israel in the land. So no other nation in the world is
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  criticized for when they defend themselves like the nation of Israel is. That's right. No other
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  no other nation would allow a neighbor that's so hostile to the two launch attacks without it being
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  reciprocated in full and then some anything to stop it from happening. So so people see the
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  the plight and I truly, my heart goes out to the people in Gaza. Many of them do not support
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  Hamas. Many of them would never support murdering and kidnapping civilians in Israel,
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  basically suffering because of the actions of the terrorist group who runs that country. So
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  biblically speaking, I'm in full support of Israel. I believe God still has a plan that
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  God will fulfills promises. I support Israel as a nation. I support them in the right to defend
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  themselves. Now, as we say in our article, that does not mean I agree with every decision the
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  nation of Israel makes. That's right. In this conflict, I would even, I mean, obviously I've been
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  trying to watch news from both sides and try to get a balanced perspective. So maybe some of what
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  Israel's even done in this conflict, seen maybe that's a little over the top, maybe
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  or dropping a bomb in an area where there's guests, there may be a Hamas terrorist there, but also
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  surrounded by many, many civilians. I don't know if I can endorse that, but that does not change the
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  fact that Israel is the right to defend himself and to prevent Hamas and other terrorist groups
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  from having the ability to continue to attack them. So I'm not saying there's a blanket approval.
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  I support everything that Israel has done in the last 70 years, but at the same time,
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  Israel's right to exist. Israel has the right to the land that finds its limit. It's a promise of
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  God and the Israel's right to defend itself against the tax, just as any other sovereign nation
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  anywhere in the world has the right to defend itself. That's right. And biblically, what's fascinating,
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  there's just so many miracles and fulfilled prophecy. God dispersed the nation of Israel. I
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  mean, the land was a wasteland. The Bible uses that term. It was desolate. It was a wasteland, I think,
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  for almost 2,000 years, if I remember right, from the Old Testament. And then miraculously,
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  people came from all over from this north, south, east and west, as Isaiah says, back to the land
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  of Israel. And in 1948, of course, it became the state of Israel. It's a miraculous move of God.
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  Only God could have done that. And by the way, when you mentioned some of the things you were talking,
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  but I could just see the spiritual warfare that's involved here that most people don't
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  understand that's underlying this Satan hates, of course, Israel. But let's move on here, Shay.
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  So we support Israel. There are reasons for it. Guys, I just encourage you to go read that
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  at gotquestions.org. How should Christians respond to the Arab-Israeli conflict? So there's
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  so much more. We have talked about it. We've had Olivier Melnik on this show. We did two episodes
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  with him on anti-Semitism and what does the Bible teach about how Christians should respond to
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  Israel. So let's move on to our last topic. I saw an interview with you. I had Jason Emanez on
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  about his new book. And you did an interview with him as well. And he recently wrote an article on
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  Alistair Begg's comments giving advice to a woman that it's okay to go to a same sex wedding
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  and even give them a gift. And we know Alistair Begg is a good Bible teacher. I respect his
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  ministry. He's one of the most solid in the pastors that I can think of in America. But on this,
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  I think he veered and I don't I don't understand maybe under the guise of compassion. But Jason
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  says that the title is a compassionate response to Alistair Begg's bad advice on LGBT weddings.
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  And the question that you have over on the website is should Christian, should a Christian
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  attend a gay wedding. I just want to read the first sentence and let you share your thoughts,
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  shea. First, a word of encouragement. If you are the kind of friend that a gay couple would
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  invite to their wedding, then you're probably doing something right. I like that because that
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  means that we have an outwardly ben judge mental or hostile to the LGBTQ, you know, adultery is
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  taking God's name and van, and van is a sin. Pride is a sin. There's so many others.
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  This just happens to be homosexuality and so or the same sex union. So share your thoughts
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  on this topic of should we attend a gay wedding? David, I like what you shared about Alistair Begg
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  in that while I made disagree with him on this issue, that does not cause me to question his
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  love for Christ, his commitment to God's word, the solid nature of his ministry. So
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  and if you listen to the whole quote, the conversation she's having with, I believe it was a grandmother
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  whose grandson was transgender from her correctly and was marrying someone essentially of the same
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  gender with all that confusion and dysphoria all mixed in. And basically, yes, well, does your
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  grandson know that you don't approve of this? And she's like, yes, does will your grandson interpret
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  you attending as you stating approval? No, he will. It's like, well, then go ahead and go and
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  bring a gift if your desire is so that you can continue to have a relationship,
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  could you have opportunities to minister? I would not give that advice. I just I don't see how you can
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  attend a ceremony like that when the ceremony itself is a extreme violation of what the
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  Bible says marriages. It's one man with one woman for life, the biblical passages, the talk of
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  homosexuality consistently and explicitly describe it as a sin. So I could not in good conscience
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  attend a gay wedding, even if the people who were getting what getting married knew I didn't approve,
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  because it's my very presence there by default indicates some level of approval. And giving a gift,
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  I don't know that that is a significantly different. And some people say I could tend their
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  reception, but not the wedding. I would not do any of those just as I would not attend a wedding
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  between a man and a woman. If the man had committed adultery against his wife and was now getting married
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  to the woman he had the affair with, I would not attend that wedding, but I do not think that is
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  the biblical picture of what a wedding and a marriage is supposed to be, even though you would at
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  least fulfill the one man with one woman aspect. So a wedding is to be ultimately glorifying to God
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  and focusing on how God created one man to be with one woman to leave and cleave, to be united
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  and to live together for as long as they both shall live and to insert a homosexuality into that
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  is it's an aberration of God's intent for wedding and marriage. So I could not attend.
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  I do understand the stories of people have that if I don't attend, they're going to cut me out
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  of their lives for the rest of the lives. I get that. I get this rest of that. I understand not
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  wanting that to happen, but I personally cannot in good conscience attend a gay wedding. So I think
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  Alistair Begg is erring on the side of compassion. And I get that. I understand why he said what he
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  said, but again, my advice would be find some other way to show that even though you disagree
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  with their lifestyle and their choices, you still love them, still care about them and are there
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  for them. It should they need you. But to actually attend the wedding, I do not see how that can
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  not communicate some degree of approval. What's taking place? Yeah, I'm thankful. We're on the same
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  page there because I don't see it as anything other than compromise. It just sends the wrong
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  message if you're trying to witness to people about your faith. It's just sends the wrong message
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  that you support that when that is really an act of rebellion against God and Jesus by the way
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  defined marriage again in Mark chapter 10 and in one of the other gospels too. But anyway, Jason said
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  he asked a question, what exactly is being celebrated? And really he answered and said,
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  a gay couple's sexuality or a trans person believing they're a different gender than what God
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  created them as. And so that's just going against God's design and the word of God. So I think
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  to you and I, it's black and white, but I understand where the emotion comes in with some people
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  that have relatives or family members or friends who are LGBTQ that doesn't change God's word.
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  I want to shout out to American Family Association, American Family Radio. They did the hard thing
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  and they pulled Alistair Begg's program off the network dropped him after he gave him that advice.
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  Yeah, that was their call. So yeah, we have to make decisions on these issues. Some of them are
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  very tough. And that's why you have your website gotquestions.org Shea went by way too fast,
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  but I'm thankful for all you do, all you've done man, 22 years. That's that's just amazing,
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  but it's a need. It's a great resource. And I thank you, brother. Lord willing, we'll talk
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  again in the near future. That was great, David. Thank you for having me on. And 22 years ago,
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  I didn't have quite as many gray hairs as well. The stress and the difficulty of trying to answer
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  these questions and speaking the truth in love. And that's often a difficult balance. Yeah,
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  sometime I'll have you on and we'll talk about just some of the pushback you get and some of the
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  I'll probably hate mail, but you know, that's for another time. Well, and on a positive note,
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  praise God for what you're doing, Shea. May he enlarge your territory, brother.
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  Same to you. Thank you, sir. All right, Shea Houdman. Gotquestions.org. Great resource. I
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  also want to point you to page over on my personal website at davidfiorazo.com. I've got 200
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  resources. Gotquestions.org is one of them that you can access 200 resources for Christians. And
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  that's on my personal website. So guys, thanks for sharing the show. God bless you. And as always,
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  keep speaking the truth about things that matter.