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Bonus Episode: The Culture Changed Every Ten Years… Until It Didn’t · DISGRACELAND

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  Speaker 1: Hey, discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life,
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  Speaker 1: just to touch to get you through.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah me too.
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  Speaker 1: This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome
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  Speaker 1: to Disgraceland, the after party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode,
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  Speaker 1: a little thing we like to call the after party.
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  Speaker 1: This is the show after the show, the party after
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  Speaker 1: the party. The bridge to get you from one full
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  Speaker 1: episode or Disgraceland to the other. The backyard to dig
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  Speaker 1: into the dirt, our mission to uncover the truth, to
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  Speaker 1: confront the myths, to reclaim the story. On this bonus episode,
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  Speaker 1: we're talking about this week's full episode subject in part
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  Speaker 1: two of our run DMC story getting into a jam
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  Speaker 1: Master Jay. Here we're rewinding back to our Britney Spears episodes,
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  Speaker 1: previewing our upcoming episode on the Temptations and the suspicious
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  Speaker 1: death of Tammy Rurell, and we get into your voicemails, text, dms,
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  Speaker 1: and as always a whole lot of rosie. This is
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  Speaker 1: the podcast for the musically obsessed, the outsiders, the independent
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  Speaker 1: diggers who know that the best history is the history
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  Speaker 1: that gets buried. Disgrace Land is where I tell the
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  Speaker 1: stories they didn't want told the kind you'll end up
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  Speaker 1: telling to someone else. All right, disc goes, Let's get
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  Speaker 1: into it. So I went to grade school in the
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  Speaker 1: nineteen eighties. My high school career started in the late
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  Speaker 1: eighties and ended in the early nineties. I went to
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  Speaker 1: college in the nineties as well. So I'm kind of
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  Speaker 1: I'm both an eighties and a nineties kid. These are
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  Speaker 1: two different things. Anyone who grew up when I did,
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  Speaker 1: Anyone who is gen X knows this. The eighties were
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  Speaker 1: vastly different from the nineties. We went from simple minds
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  Speaker 1: to oh well, whatever, never mind, from from Dayglow to flannel,
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  Speaker 1: from Clever raps by sitcom dads to drive by shootings,
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  Speaker 1: from pretty in Pink to pulp fiction, from Bill Cosby
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  Speaker 1: to Jerry Seinfeld, from Less than Zero to High Fidelity.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm just talking about the books there, not the
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  Speaker 1: movies lesson Zero book to the High Fidelity book. Now,
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  Speaker 1: the fashion, the music, the films, the books, the television.
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  Speaker 1: The drove culture defined culture, literally changed how we looked,
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  Speaker 1: how we talked, how we thought.
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  Speaker 2: Think about what.
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  Speaker 1: The eighties looked like and sounded like compared to what
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  Speaker 1: things looked and sounded like in the nineties, it was
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  Speaker 1: an entirely different world. And you can run the same
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  Speaker 1: experiment with the fifties and the sixties, from rockabilly rebel
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  Speaker 1: James Dean Vibes to the Summer of Love in just
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  Speaker 1: ten short years. It's wild, wild difference, wild jumping culture.
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  Speaker 1: And then you can do the same thing from the
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  Speaker 1: Hippi Dippy Boomers to the punk Nihilis and disco Heedonis.
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  Speaker 1: You know, if you go from the sixties to the seventies,
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  Speaker 1: and then from the seventies to the eighties, you've got
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  Speaker 1: you know, Miami Vice, Neon and Gordon Gecko, Greed and
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  Speaker 1: Michael Jackson and Madonna, and then like I said, the
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  Speaker 1: nineties were nothing like the eighties. So you see where
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  Speaker 1: I'm coming from here. What I'm getting at from the
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  Speaker 1: nineteen fifties to the nineteen nineties, each decade was wildly
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  Speaker 1: different than the last. In culture. I grew up in
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  Speaker 1: a time like most of you did, when there was
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  Speaker 1: a cultural reset every decade. The art we consumed. It
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  Speaker 1: caused us, like I said earlier, to look at things differently,
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  Speaker 1: to think differently, to act differently. And then for some reason,
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  Speaker 1: all that stopped. Ten years after Nirvana debuted on one
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  Speaker 1: hundred and twenty minutes, an event that me and my
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  Speaker 1: friends watched live breathless, like it was our own moon landing.
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  Speaker 1: Just ten years after that, we got Outcast, we got Pink,
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  Speaker 1: we got Britney Spears, the rise of commercial hip hop.
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  Speaker 1: So different, yes, But then what what did we get
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  Speaker 1: in the next decade? What's so different about two thousand
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  Speaker 1: from two thousand and one? Not much, especially when you
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  Speaker 1: compare it to the difference between nineteen ninety one and
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  Speaker 1: nineteen eighty one, and here in twenty twenty five, it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't feel all that much different from twenty fifteen. So
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  Speaker 1: what happened? Why do we have seismic cultural shifts every
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  Speaker 1: ten years for half a century and now we don't.
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  Speaker 1: The obvious answer is the Internet, but that's only part
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  Speaker 1: of it. Sure, the Internet killed the monoculture. Okay. We
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  Speaker 1: all consume our content in these little, neat and tidy,
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  Speaker 1: niche communities like this one, and in many ways, that's great.
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  Speaker 1: It's how a music and true crime podcast, which is
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  Speaker 1: its own niche, it's why we can exist and thrive.
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  Speaker 1: But the downside of this niche ification, if you will,
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  Speaker 1: is a vast sameness on a big mainstream cultural level.
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  Speaker 1: We've got this sort of cultural mediocrity. There's a lack
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  Speaker 1: of risk that you can feel with our artists, and
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  Speaker 1: it has resulted in this lack of change from decade
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  Speaker 1: to deck. The real villain here it's not the artists.
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  Speaker 1: It's not even the Internet. It's corporatization. Okay. After the
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  Speaker 1: year two thousand, American business hit a new level of maturity,
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  Speaker 1: especially in the entertainment world. The entertainment business, capitalism became
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  Speaker 1: more efficient, and with that efficiency came consolidation. Fewer record labels,
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  Speaker 1: fewer movie studios, fewer gatekeepers with tastes, and more gatekeepers
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  Speaker 1: with spreadsheets, and that means fewer opportunities for artists. And
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  Speaker 1: even when artists break through, when they break these gates down,
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  Speaker 1: they're pressured to keep delivering what works and to not
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  Speaker 1: take creative risks. What happens when artists stopped taking risks,
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  Speaker 1: The art suffers, culture suffers, we suffer. This is in
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  Speaker 1: part why storytelling sort of the theme we've been discussing
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  Speaker 1: over the last few after parties. This is a big
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  Speaker 1: reason why storytelling feels so stale while music, film and
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  Speaker 1: TV feels stuck. We now live in a subscription world.
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  Speaker 1: We don't live in a broadcast world anymore. We live
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  Speaker 1: in a subscription world. When people subscribe and they want
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  Speaker 1: what they signed up for, they want it over and
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  Speaker 1: over again. So artists double down on what's already working.
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  Speaker 1: I know, I'm one of them. I get I understand
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  Speaker 1: exactly how this works. But remember the Beatles didn't ask
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  Speaker 1: permission to make a day in the life. David Bowie
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  Speaker 1: didn't ask permission to be David Bowie, and Nirvana didn't
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  Speaker 1: ask if they could scream their way into oblivion. When's
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  Speaker 1: the last time we saw anything like that? When's the
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  Speaker 1: last time we all saw something like that and we
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  Speaker 1: were all affected by that? Maybe jay Z and Kanye,
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  Speaker 1: Maybe I just don't. I don't know. I honestly think
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  Speaker 1: it goes back to Kurt. Some of you are right
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  Speaker 1: now thinking Taylor Swift obviously massive, success, huge, but her
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  Speaker 1: influence is something like cultural decoration compared to cultural definition.
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  Speaker 1: It's not transformative. It doesn't It hasn't turned us collectively
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  Speaker 1: into something else. I'm not throwing shade Taylor Swift's away,
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  Speaker 1: but she's not changing how people dress, or how they talk,
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  Speaker 1: or how they think. The way that Kirk Cobaine did,
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  Speaker 1: or even how a character like Chandler Bing did. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know what this means, but I dropped my son
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  Speaker 1: off at School of Rock camp this morning. Every kid,
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  Speaker 1: every kid had a nineteen nineties band T shirt on Nirvana,
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  Speaker 1: Green Day, Pearl Jam in nineteen eighty five. When I
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  Speaker 1: was my son's age, I wasn't wearing a John Denver
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  Speaker 1: shirt from nineteen seventy four. Okay, I was wearing Van
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  Speaker 1: Halen and def Leppard pins on my jean jacket and
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  Speaker 1: riding my BMX around. I could give a fuck what
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  Speaker 1: my parents were listening to eleven years prior. Where are
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  Speaker 1: the Neirvana's for the kids of my son's age? You know,
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  Speaker 1: what are we doing? What are we doing? And for
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  Speaker 1: us here in Disgraceland, this isn't just about music. This
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  Speaker 1: is about storytelling. It's my belief that this increased corporate
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  Speaker 1: atmosphere that we now live in, whatever you want to
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  Speaker 1: call it, the increased corporatization, it's gutted the power of
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  Speaker 1: great culture, defining film and television and just narrative in general,
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  Speaker 1: not just music. However, and this is the good part.
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  Speaker 1: There's a solution I'm gonna get to that. I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: get to that later in the bonus section of this episode.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm gonna bring receipts, Okay, I'm gonna bring numbers,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna bring proof. So if you've ever if you've
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  Speaker 1: ever felt like I feel right now, okay, like like
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  Speaker 1: culture is sort of like putting you on the pan
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  Speaker 1: O mind lists, right, like, like it's forgotten about you,
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  Speaker 1: that the broader mainstream culture no longer reflects what you
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  Speaker 1: care about. Then you're gonna want to hear this bonus section,
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  Speaker 1: all right. And this isn't about aging out of what's cool.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want any of you thinking that you people
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  Speaker 1: are beyond cool. You know how? I know because we
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  Speaker 1: talk about some rando esoteric music history shit here and
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  Speaker 1: you've been here for it for years, okay. In the
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  Speaker 1: the artists that we trade on and the subject matter
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  Speaker 1: that we trade in every week is far cooler than
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  Speaker 1: what is being traded in in mainstream culture right now? Now?
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  Speaker 1: Can you can you make that claim about the artists
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  Speaker 1: and the culture that you grew up with? No, that
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  Speaker 1: shit was fantastic. I know, I know, I know, I
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  Speaker 1: know what I sound like. I know I'm sounding like
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  Speaker 1: the old guy on the lawn telling the young kids
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  Speaker 1: to get off it. But I'm not. I'm not. And again,
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  Speaker 1: like I said, I'm gonna bring receipts. Okay, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: bring them to the bonus section, all right, you know,
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  Speaker 1: but you gotta be a member, okay, because I'm not
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  Speaker 1: trying to be totally controlled by the corporate overlords here,
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  Speaker 1: or maybe because I am just a little I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: but to hear the bonus section, you got to be
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  Speaker 1: an all access member of Disgraceland. Okay. You're gonna subscribe
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  Speaker 1: to our little niche part of the culture. Okay, you
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  Speaker 1: know how to do it. Go to disgrace slamdpod dot com,
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  Speaker 1: slash membership sign up for five bucks a month, less
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  Speaker 1: than the cost of Kirk Cobaine's bar of teen Spirit.
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  Speaker 1: You can become a member on Apple Podcasts or Patreon. Patreon,
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  Speaker 1: you can get a little bit more gonna get a
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  Speaker 1: little bit more of me in the community chat and
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  Speaker 1: a little bit more content per month. Again in the
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  Speaker 1: bonus section, I'm digging into the real numbers here, okay.
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  Speaker 1: Record sales, TV ratings, box office halls, banned books, how
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  Speaker 1: pulp fiction changed everything. I'm going to prove that, yes,
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  Speaker 1: this is the important part. I'm going to prove that, yes,
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  Speaker 1: the shit that you love back then was better because
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  Speaker 1: it had the power to actually change things, unlike what
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  Speaker 1: is passing for culture these days. So if there's one
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  Speaker 1: thing to take away from all of this, it's it
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  Speaker 1: we don't need the corporations to tell our stories. We
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  Speaker 1: can do it ourselves. I'll be back in a flash
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  Speaker 1: with your voicemails and your texts, all right. This week
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  Speaker 1: in Disgraceland, we brought you our Part two story are
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  Speaker 1: Part two episode on Run DMC, which is really an
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  Speaker 1: update episode. It's an update on the jam Master J murder.
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  Speaker 1: And then this weekend we are running back our Britney
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  Speaker 1: Spears Parts one and two episodes in our rewind slots.
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  Speaker 1: And next week we've got our Part two episode on
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  Speaker 1: the Temptations, which is really a deeper dive into the
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  Speaker 1: Tammy Terrell death and the travesty that was her early
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  Speaker 1: some would say suspicious demise. That's gonna be our question
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  Speaker 1: of the week next week. Which musician's death is most suspicious?
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  Speaker 1: Which cause of death are you calling bullshit? On six
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  Speaker 1: one seven nine oh six sixty six three eight to
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  Speaker 1: let me know, send me a voicemail, send me a text,
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  Speaker 1: hit me up with your answers, and as you know,
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  Speaker 1: we'll play what you got to say right here in
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  Speaker 1: the after party with some of you anyways, And that's
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  Speaker 1: what we're gonna do right now, all right. You know
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  Speaker 1: where I'm at. I'm in the phone booth. It's the
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  Speaker 1: one across the hall. I'm hanging on the telephone six
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  Speaker 1: one seven nine six six six three eight. If you
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  Speaker 1: want to chime in on anything related to disgrace that
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  Speaker 1: This week's question of the Week spawned from our run
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  Speaker 1: DMC episode, was which hip hop group is the greatest
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  Speaker 1: of all time? Let's check in with the eight six
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  Speaker 1: y five on this very question.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, Jacobs Ratchett from the eight six five Most influential
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  Speaker 3: hip hop group all time? Run DMC is up there,
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  Speaker 3: but I've got to go with Public Enemy because when
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  Speaker 3: Public Enemy came out, I believe nineteen eighty eight, then
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  Speaker 3: I forgot the name of the album, but the first
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  Speaker 3: couple of Public Enemy albums I was. I was in
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  Speaker 3: middle school and all of a sudden, as a little
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  Speaker 3: white kid in Saint Pete Florida. I'm looking at Malcolm X,
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  Speaker 3: I'm looking at all the stuff that Public Aenemy was
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  Speaker 3: rapping about. And so as far as influential hip hop groups,
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  Speaker 3: I'd say Public Enemy because they changed the entire consciousness
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  Speaker 3: of a generation of young white hip hop kids like myself.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, Public Enemy most influential hip hop roup of
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  Speaker 3: all the time, and they're still doing.
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  Speaker 1: It all right. Eight sixty five, I hear you, Ratchet.
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  Speaker 1: First Public Enemy album was Yo Bum Rush the show.
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  Speaker 1: That's number one, number two. You and I are of
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  Speaker 1: the same cloth, my man, same thing for me. Not
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  Speaker 1: as early as Yo Bum Rushed the show for me
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  Speaker 1: though it was Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back.
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  Speaker 1: That was the record that did it for me with
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  Speaker 1: Public Enemy. When that came out, or when I got
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  Speaker 1: my hands on it, which was probably eighty eight, would
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  Speaker 1: it come out in nineteen eighty seven? Eighty eight? Dude?
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  Speaker 1: I literally dressed like Chuck d purposefully, like exactly, like
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  Speaker 1: exactly like Chuck def black Adidas high tops, five on
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  Speaker 1: one jeans, Champion sweatshirt. I didn't rock the Pittsburgh Pirates hat.
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  Speaker 1: I rocked a Mets hat instead, was and still am
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  Speaker 1: a Mets fan, despite my fandom for the Boston Red Sox.
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  Speaker 1: That's a whole other thing. I'm not going to go
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  Speaker 1: to that here, but yeah, I hear you, Man, huge influence,
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  Speaker 1: and you're right. I wasn't the only one. There were
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of white kids in the suburbs taking their
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  Speaker 1: cues from Public Enemy and Chuck d glorious love it.
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  Speaker 1: Let's check in here with where we going. Amy in
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  Speaker 1: the seven one sixth, who just texts in very plainly
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  Speaker 1: put public Enemy period. Yeah. Amy, You're absolutely right. Amy.
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  Speaker 1: Amy's gott an earlier text here that I missed, She says,
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  Speaker 1: I know I said this in the Patreon, but I
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  Speaker 1: just wanted to text and say truly how much I've
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  Speaker 1: missed the podcast in your storytelling, in your voice, Lol,
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  Speaker 1: why you lolling? My? What does that mean? And our
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  Speaker 1: little patreon community. Well, I took a break from whatever
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  Speaker 1: the fuck is going on in the world right now,
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  Speaker 1: but man, what a joy to come back. Yeah, welcome back, Amy,
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  Speaker 1: Happy to have you. Sorry I missed this back when
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  Speaker 1: you sent it in Yike's may apology. Apologies for that, guys.
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  Speaker 1: We're working on a way here at Double Elvis Head
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  Speaker 1: Coach to engage with you further on the voicemails and
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  Speaker 1: the text, and we've come up with something that I
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  Speaker 1: think you're gonna like. I think you're gonna like it.
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  Speaker 1: We're not quite ready to roll it out yet, we
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  Speaker 1: haven't fully decided, but we're close and that maybe most
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  Speaker 1: likely come in your way soon. If not, I'll just
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  Speaker 1: pretend we never had this conversation. Six one seven nine
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  Speaker 1: six six six three eight. You want to send me
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  Speaker 1: a voicemail, you want to send me a text? Question
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  Speaker 1: of the week coming up? I want your answers on
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  Speaker 1: is gonna be? What musician's death is the most suspicious? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: hit me up six one seven nine oh six sixty
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  Speaker 1: six three eight voicemail and text. You can also hit
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  Speaker 1: me up at Disgrace lampod on Instagram, TikTok x Facebook.
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: Speaking to Instagram, Madam Dos m A D A M E.
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  Speaker 1: Dos das rights and relationship to the run DMC episode
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  Speaker 1: that we just released. Madam Dos writes, this update was
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  Speaker 1: a masterclass in storytelling. Unfortunately, it's a common tepe from
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  Speaker 1: what I've observed growing up, and I absolutely hate all
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  Speaker 1: caps that it happened to Jay. Thank you for being
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  Speaker 1: his voice and also the voice of the witnesses slash victims.
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  Speaker 1: Appreciate this message, Madam Das. This story was a tricky one.
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  Speaker 1: It was a tough one. Jam Master J was obviously
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  Speaker 1: already dead when we released our first episode on run
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  Speaker 1: DMC about four years ago, now something like that, and
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  Speaker 1: we didn't have a lot of the details on his
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  Speaker 1: death at that time. There's a lot of smoke, a
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  Speaker 1: lot of smoke, and I had suspicions, but I didn't
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  Speaker 1: want to fully go there, and it took a while
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  Speaker 1: for all that information to become publicly available for us
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  Speaker 1: to get. Once it did, we decided we're going to
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  Speaker 1: do part two and I'm happy that people responded to it.
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  Speaker 1: So if you haven't heard the run DMC episode, go
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  Speaker 1: check that out. Is pretty much a jam Master J episode,
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  Speaker 1: just like the upcoming Temptations episode is pretty much Tammy
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  Speaker 1: Terrell episode. Motown fans will know what I'm talking about.
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  Speaker 1: This is a fantastic story. I can't wait for you
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  Speaker 1: guys to hear it. Six one seven nine oh six
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  Speaker 1: six six three eight voicemail and text me after you
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  Speaker 1: do listen and let me know your thoughts. Also, I
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  Speaker 1: want to know from you, as always, what stories have
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  Speaker 1: been buried that need to be told. Dig, baby, dig,
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  Speaker 1: all right, your voice helps uncover what gets buried. Your voice,
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  Speaker 1: your takes, your messages, they push me to propel me
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  Speaker 1: into the dark corners of music history. So keep them coming,
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  Speaker 1: all right. It's an important part of the show. It's
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  Speaker 1: an important part of what we do here. Quickt way
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  Speaker 1: to get my attention these days is the telephone six
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  Speaker 1: one seven, nine oh six sixty six three eight voicemail text.
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  Speaker 2: I'll be back in a flash.
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  Speaker 1: All right, we are back. Apple podcast listeners, make sure
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  Speaker 1: you have auto downloads turned on so Disgraceland finds you
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  Speaker 1: wherever you are at every single morning, so you don't
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  Speaker 1: miss a beat. Listen. It's the sports rant section here.
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  Speaker 1: Gonna make this one quick, okay, because I don't I
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  Speaker 1: don't have enough to rant about. The Red Sox are
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  Speaker 1: on a freaking tear. Seven in a row, seven wins
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  Speaker 1: in a row. We're in second place. We're coming up
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  Speaker 1: strong behind Toronto. I don't believe in Toronto. I don't
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: worried about Toronto. We're ahead of the Yankees. That's all
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: that matters. I don't know that this is gonna last.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think the Yankees. The Yankees don't feel like
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: a third place team to me. Okay, so we shall see,
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: we shall see. But there's been a vibe shift in
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: the Al East, at least you have to admit that.
• 18:36
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  Speaker 1: I have a lot of people in my life. I'm
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: not going to name any names, but there's one old
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• 19:32
  Speaker 1: reasons that I believe are nonsensical and sort of outdated. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: baseball is exciting as hell right now, and it's been
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  Speaker 1: that way this year. Last year. When did they put
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: the new rules in beginning of last year? Was at it?
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: The new rules, you cannot deny, have made the game
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  Speaker 1: more watchable, more exciting. But I gotta say, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I teach my kids to never say the word hate,
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: but I hate the extra innings rule. Okay, with the
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  Speaker 1: dude at the start of the top of the tenth
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: inning on second base, it reminds me of like kickball
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  Speaker 1: in seventh grade gym class when mister BONNCEI knows it
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  Speaker 1: he's only got like five minutes before he's gonna get
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: you showered and changed, and then before the bell rings
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  Speaker 1: and you gotta go back to class, so he sticks
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: some rando at second just so someone can win the game.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: I hate it. I hate that. That's professional sports right now.
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  Speaker 1: It drives me crazy. I do not like it. I
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: like most of the other rules, most of them anyway,
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: pitchclock especially, but this one can't abide. The dude does
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  Speaker 4: but unfortunately they slowed you down a little bit. Today
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: we were at one sixteen, so we got some work
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: to do.
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  Speaker 2: All right. Well, you know, better luck next week.
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  Speaker 4: And I just want to go on the record here
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  Speaker 1: say so myself, for all y'all this week. This one
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  Speaker 1: on the Inimitable Joan Crawford I was super caffeinated during
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: the taping of the Rap Party, Matt, give us a
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: little taste.
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: Espresso has never been appealing to me because I like
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: to enjoy. Part of the coffee experience for me is
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: the length of time that it takes to drink the
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: coffee right and espresso. I look at it and I'm like,
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: that's gonna be over in like thirty seconds, and that's
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: no fun.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: Here's what I'm learning about me. I'm a caffeine fan,
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: not just a coffee fan. Because I go nows first thing,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: tea second thing Americano, third espresso. I reverse the intensity
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: throughout the morning and then it's like, by the time
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: I sit down front of the mic with you, I'm
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: fucking a rocket ship looking to fucking blast off.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, here's our highly caffeinated look at this week in
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  Speaker 5: Hollywood Land. Jake, what music recks inspired by Joan Crawford
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  Speaker 5: do you have for us today?
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  Speaker 3: Woooo?
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: This one is testing the limits of my what's the
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: hot hopskip and jump referential treatment that we give these things? Okay,
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: so Joan kraw kraw I thought Crawfish, all right, then
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: I thought of the Great Louisiana rock and roll artist
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  Speaker 1: ceci Adcock. You ever hear a Cecadcock.
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: I feel like I've seen the name before in my life,
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: but I don't know.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Incredible. This is one of those dudes. Put up this
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: record in nineteen ninety four, self titled on Island Records,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: produced I believe by Denny Cordell who did the early
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: Petty Stuff and Leon Russell. That record. I had that
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: record when it came out. It is amazing. I still
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: have it on CD somewhere. You can't get it. It's
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: not on Spotify. It's phenomenal. Later in my career as
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: a musician, I ended up touring in Europe with ccii
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: Cock and about ten years later in two thousand and four,
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: and he was He was one of the most American
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: characters I ever met. We kind of became friends a
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: little bit, but he's a he's a recluse's he's off
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: the grid. I don't know what the dude's doing, but
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: for those who are interested. In two thousand and four,
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: he put out a record on YEP Rock, which is
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: the label I was signed to, and the record is
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: called Lafaette Marquis and it is amazing. It is incredible.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: Not as good as this debut album, but it is incredible,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: So check out CCII Cock Lafayette, Marquis. The only time
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: I've ever eaten crawfish was with CCII Cock in Lafayette,
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: actually Lafayette, Louisiana. The funnest day of my life might
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: have been with him in Louisiana, one of them, pre marriage,
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: pre kids, careful there, yeah, yeah, no, no for real,
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: but it was like I wouldn't have fun doing that
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: now is also my point. The amount of alcohol that
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: was involved, but it was just it was just the
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: blast in Louisiana they do. I don't know if it's
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: a Southern thing, but it was explained to me that
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: like the big party day down there was Sundays because
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: it's so church oriented and and everybody parties together. There's
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: no generation gap. You go to church and then after
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: church the party starts and you party throughout the night
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: and there's zytacal music and the whole thing, and it's
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: just and he took us to one of these like
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: dance halls and where we had it was just unbelievable.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure you stuff with my girlfriend at the
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: time that night, but I don't blame him for it. Anyways,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: The next thing I go from, go from Joan craw Firth,
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• 26:33
  Speaker 1: All right, Welcome back and thank you for joining me here.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: In another After Party episode, we talked today some artists
• 26:40
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• 26:46
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• 26:58
  Speaker 1: you want to hear that Matthew Perry episode for you
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: might be like, why why is Matthew Perry episode of Disgrace,
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: And well, once upon a time, if you knew here,
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: we experimented with doing some non musical subjects in Disgraceland
• 27:10
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• 27:13
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• 27:18
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• 27:36
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna recap Real Quick Number one, this week's full
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  Speaker 1: Number two. Rewind episodes this week Britney Spears Part one
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  Speaker 1: and Part two, Number three coming up at the top
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• 28:35
  Speaker 1: This week's new episode subject jam Master J from Run
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  Speaker 1: DMC passed away back on October thirtieth, two thousand and two,
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: and here is what America was listening to on that
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: day according to the Billboard Charts. Number one Dilemma Nelly
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  Speaker 1: featuring Kelly Rowland last week one peak position one weeks
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  Speaker 1: on chart sixteen. Number two gangst eleven Eve featuring Alicia
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  Speaker 1: Keys last week week three peak position under two weeks
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  Speaker 1: on Chart sixty number three. A moment like this Kelly
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  Speaker 1: Clark's positions last week week's to peak position one number
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  Speaker 1: weeks on charts six The number four Hey Ma Camera
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  Speaker 1: featuring Jewel Santana's Freaky Zeke and Toya numbers last week
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  Speaker 1: peak position four weeks on chart. Quit talking and start mixing.