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Ep 22 - No Country for Old Men (2007) · Popcorn and Pals

• justin: welcome back to Popcorn and Pows, the podcast where we talk about all sorts of movies, good and bad, and give you our completely unqualified takes on them. He's Zach, and I'm Justin. And today we're talking about the 2007 crime thriller that'll make you terrified of captive bolt pistols and silent shotguns. It's no Zach: Ha ha ha. justin: country for old men. Zach: It's a sneaky nitpick. Silent shotguns. Like, what are we doing? justin: Yeah. I had to I had to look up the I thought it was just like an air compressor. No, according to Wikipedia that is called a captive bolt pistol. The more you know. Yeah. Zach: Okay. There you go. The more you know. I just learned that now. justin: Speaking of captive bolt pistols, how are you, Zach? Hmm. Ooh. Zach: I'm good. Alright, quick question. For seriousness. How are you right now preparing for the d AI doomsday apocalypse? I'm like I'm like freaking out over here. I don't know about you. I'm like justin: Yeah. Zach: turning off all my computers, you know. justin: Mm-hmm. Well, if we've learned anything from Terminator 2 Judgment Day, I don't think it matters. Skynet's gonna come and get us one way or the other. I have also. Here is a fun thing. Zach: You're not gonna John Conner it? justin: that'd be pretty cool. but it depends on which John Connor. Is it is it Christian Zach: We'll l we'll leave that to our children, right? justin: Bale in Terminator Salvation? That might be fun. Zach: There's only there's only one good John Connor in the entire series. justin: Mm. Zach: Okay? And that is the three minutes of old John Connor in Terminator 2 at the beginning of the movie. He's the only justin: Yes, exactly. Zach: good John Connor. Looks capable, looks commanding, doesn't say a word. justin: Exactly. Yeah, exactly. yeah, I don't know. It's I feel like the news has been pretty fun lately, but what's even more fun Zach: Yeah. justin: is 'cause I love a good conspiracy theory. So all the conspiracy Zach: Okay. justin: theories are that all of the AI death doomsday news is fake and it's just market manipulation. That's a really fun one. If you Zach: Hmm. justin: want some light reading on a a you know, Thursday morning or something when you wake up. Zach: Whi which Reddit board did you go deep into? justin: I don't know. It probably came from like 4 chan. because that's Zach: Ha ha ha. justin: that's where all the good ones are born from. But yeah. Yeah, Zach: So it's the only social media I use. justin: exactly. Who needs the big ones when you've got 4 chan or f it 5 chan or 9 chan? Maybe we make our own chan. We'll call it Zack and Justin Chan. Zach: Yeah, it'll be real popular. Just like this podcast. justin: I am kind of regretting though, that we didn't do Terminator 2 just pu out of sheer timeliness of everything. That would have been very fitting to review that today, but Zach: Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah. justin: maybe another time. Maybe another time. Zach: I know, 'cause what were your movie options that you presented we me with? justin: there were a couple, but it was that one, Terminator 2, No Country for Old Men, which we picked it because spoiler alert for everybody listening, Zachary has not seen this movie before. Zach: No, it's like one of the few Cone Brothers I had not seen. Always been on my list. But justin: Yeah. I'm kinda surprised too, 'cause this is like this is a big movie in terms of like awards and actors and I mean it's a big one. Yeah. And only one Zach: Mm-hmm. Yeah. It won some awards, I didn't see that. Did it win anything? justin: it only won four nominated for eight. Zach: Ha ha ha. justin: but yeah, I felt like out of all of the other movies that I come up with on my silly little list, this one felt like The most interesting to talk about. Because it's a very interesting movie. I think either way you slice it, whether you like it, whether you hate it, it's interesting because it does some very unique things. Zach: It is. I have a thousand nitpicks with this movie. But justin: Good. Good. Zach: I do and I think they're all stem from like the same thing. But yeah, it's a it was a very interesting movie for sure. But anyways, we had your birthday, so this is just a month. What'd you do for your birthday? justin: we stayed at home. We threw our child we did a rolling stop at my parents' house and just threw her out the window to to my parents. Zach: Ha ha ha. justin: I'm kidding. Don't call DCS on me. No, we Zach: Ha ha ha justin: she went and spent the night with grandparents and then Yeah, Zach: Yeah, you stopped and then threw her out, you know? justin: exactly. Roll tuck and roll. Zach: And then as you were leaving and she was in the yard, you called your mom, you're like, Hey, she's outside justin: You making it worse now. Zach: I'm just saying what you did. I'm not saying that's what I you know. I'm just saying what you did. justin: yeah. So we we ordered pizza and I told my wife that I just wanted to watch my favorite movie with her because she has never seen any of the Lord of the Rings movies. So Zach: So this is h this was Hannah's first exposure to Lord of the Rings just through the zeitgeist, right? But like justin: Mm. Yeah. Zach: that was this is her first time watching the full thing. justin: sorta. So technically Zach: Ha ha. justin: this was our second attempt. We tried this a few years ago. We made it up until I wanna say Frodo leaves the Shire and then she was like, I'm done. I can't do it. And yeah, not long. yeah. Zach: Wow, that's like thirty minutes in. Buckle in, Hannah. justin: So last night she was like, It's your birthday. I'm gonna buckle in, we're gonna do this. We made it through and also for we're we're watching the extended edition. Zach: I was I was gonna ask, are you going extended or are you going like theatrical? Well, yeah, for me and you justin: You you have you you have to go extend it, right? Once you Yeah. But we are also so I also have like the Blu-ray like Ultra HD versions that came out a few years ago. Zach: Mm-hmm. justin: they're so big them they are still split between two discs. So we got through Zach: Ha ha ha. justin: the first disc I think roughly hour and a half into it and then we got through Moria and she was like, I'm done I like she was like, Can we finish this tomorrow? So I can't blame her. Zach: That is, dude, I cannot you can't blame her, dude. I don't get it at all. The Shire is so charming. The first justin: Mm. Zach: 30 minutes of that movie is so charming. Like, it's it you would think you'll be right up her alley. She's an artist, she's creative, it's very like whimsical and and fun. Like I There's like hardly any violence in that first movie. justin: Hm. It's it's the violence. Like you So it is funny, right? It's it's very interesting to get somebody's opinion o especially okay, this movie these sets of movies that we've grown up on since we were kids. to get some b an adult's perspective on it decades later, it's it's pretty wild. It is a teenage boy's wet dream. Barnone. Zach: No dude, bullshit. This movie's like I don't know. justin: It it is. It is. Don't get me wrong, that doesn't that doesn't s that doesn't deter me. I still love right? But I think for somebody like her, she does not like when I say she doesn't like violence Zach: Yeah, but but what's her n what do you what's her nickname you give her? justin: Sesame Street. I yeah. Zach: Yeah, Sesame Street, when it comes to movies, she just can't handle anything. justin: No, she does not like anything halfway scary. She doesn't like anything even remotely violent, right? So within just like the first few minutes, I think they show I don't even know I can't remember what scene it was that scared her off, but I think it was like it had to have been Mordor. And it's just dark and there's fire and lava and she's like, Ooh, I don't like that Like that's the level of I don't do this Zach: Ha ha. justin: she gets to. so but it's interesting because she she tried and there the extended edition is just shy of four hours on fellowship, so that's that Zach: Yeah, well you gave her yeah, you you that that's brutal. Do you make her watch the Blu-ray justin: That's a lot to chew through. Zach: commentary afterwards, you know? Like the behind the the the five justin: No. No, that'll be a different day. Zach: hours behind the scenes that's part of the Blu-ray? justin: In in my defense, I wanted to start at like four PM, maybe watch like an hour and a half, two hours, and then take like a big break and like let's go get dinner. And then we'll come back and we'll finish the back half. Didn't happen. We didn't start until like six p.m. At that point I'm Zach: Yeah. justin: like, man, there's no way. So by the time we yeah, reached by the time the boys got out of Moria, she was just she was done. So Zach: Fair enough. justin: But outside of that, it was a great birthday. I have no complaints. Zach: There you go. justin: yeah, so maybe maybe next year we will finish fellowship and then the year after that. Zach: You can watch it with my wife. That's the Lord The Lord of the Rings is her favorite series. So Yeah. It's the only extended justin: It's amazing. It's it's it's wonderful. It truly is. maybe Zach: editions that I'm like I need the extended. I want to be in the universe longer and more, you know? justin: Yeah. I will say this too. It sounds really, really silly, but the Blu ray editions that came out a few years ago, they are noticeably better. Like the whole entire Zach: Okay. justin: movie looks different. It and it has I read an article about it. It was like true like remaster that they did. It wasn't just some like crappy upscale that they made like for a Blu ray disc or whatever. But it Zach: Sure, yeah. They just typed into an AI prompt and was like upscale this movie. justin: Yeah, but probably. And then turn around and sell it for like Zach: Ha ha ha. justin: three hundred bucks or whatever it was. But it is it it is noticeably like different. Like I remember watching it watching these D V D's or these Blu rays like a couple of years ago when they came out and I was I was pretty blown away at how how good Zach: Yeah. justin: everything looked. so I will Zach: I'm s justin: have to lend Car Car my set if she ever wants to watch Zach: See, I'm I'm too I'm too new school, Justin. I only have digital copies of it. You know, I don't even have physical media anymore, you know. I do have I do justin: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Well Zach: I do own the digital extended edition copies though. We were w I think we were like, justin: Good for you. You have to. It's like a staple. Zach: we wanna watch and we're like, the only way you could buy you had to buy and I like, Whatever, you what? It's worth twenty five dollars or whatever it is. justin: You know the okay, here's here's the one last thing I'll touch on this. What was very interesting Zach: Okay. justin: is when Hannah started watching it, especially in the beginning, she was like, This reminds me a lot of Harry Potter. And I was like, Really? and even what was it? I can't remember what something in the beginning. There is a really, really bad CGI animal. I can't remember what it is, but she's like, Yeah, this is Harry Potter. And I was kinda blown away by that. I'd never made that comparison before. but the more I watched I was like, Man, it kinda is like Harry Potter, like certain aspects. so interesting, interesting perspective. Zach: Yeah, they're both magical and from the I don't know like justin: Mm. Zach: from the n the early two thousands, but like I don't know about that. justin: Also also, JRR or n no, sorry, no, what's dude, why am I mixing them up? Who's the author of Harry Potter? Zach: JK Rowling. justin: JK Rowling. Why am I thinking of Tolkien? Hannah was trying to ask me like what is why is Sauron still alive if the ring is like I don't understand. I was trying to figure out a good way to tell her and I was like, it's a whore crux. It's i that's it, it's a whore crux. And then was like I Zach: Ha ha ha. justin: was like, JK Rowling's told that. That's exactly what she did. Zach: Ha ha. justin: I never made that connection before, but it's Zach: you're not wrong there. That part you're not wrong about. justin: It's about the closest thing I could think of to it, but anyway. Zach: Yeah. justin: How were how is Zachary in the fam? How's how's Boy Scouts going? Zach: I mean y like it's fine, you know? It's yeah. It's Cub Scouts, yeah. They're they're they're they're cubbing it up. No, I mean justin: Or or is it is it Boy Scouts or is it Cub Scouts? Which one? Okay, Cub Scouts. Yeah. Zach: like yeah, not that frequent. We're doing something tomorrow, so we'll see how it goes. We're going to like one of those like like jungle gym experiences or like you know, it's like where they're justin: Mm. Zach: like ropes from trees and things like that. So i i i yeah, it should be like should be fun. justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: We're also in the throes of soccer right now, we have two games tomorrow. Should be fun. we went camping last weekend, which was interesting. justin: Mm. Mm. Yeah. Zach: we go camping quite a bit with them, but they're getting older and they're getting more bored easily at camping. So trying to keep justin: Mm. Zach: up with them is always an exciting adventure. justin: Yeah. Zach: yeah, so we're just doing stuff, you know? I think we're just trying justin: Yeah. Zach: to occupy the time. Scouts, soccer, justin: Yeah, yeah. Zach: camping. Whatever, you know. I'm trying to get my kid to ride a bike. justin: mean you're doing that's the American dream. Ooh. Zach: So we've been practicing our bike every day. justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: So yeah, it's just you know, just just filling the day with stuff. justin: There you go. That's what it's all about. Speaking of filling things with Zach: What I need is justin: stuff what do you need? Zach: Hm. justin: No, I didn't have a good segue. I was just trying to make a good make one. Zach: I was gonna say be like, you know, what I really need is to randomly find two million dollars like in the in the Texas justin: Yeah. Zach: desert, you know. justin: Yes, there we go. That's a good transition. See, why do I even try? Zach: But you I I like well, speaking of randomly feeling stuff, you know, I like that too. You know, it's good. justin: Yeah, so speaking of randomly filling stuff, why don't you fill us with your plot summary? Zach: Okay. Alright. So we watched No Country for Old Men. I justin: Mm. Zach: brand new for me. Right, obviously like I feel like I'd seen this movie to some degree. Just because justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: it's like it's eight hundred memes. I think like half your memes you send me are this. We're tech justin: It's r it's mainly just one. It's it's Anton leaving the gas station. Zach: Alright, plot summary. A man randomly stumbles upon a duffel bag of cash in the desert. A ruthless hitman pursues him. The chase consists primarily of mundane errands. They go shopping for new clothes, they pick up supplies at the pharmacy, they buy snacks at the gas station convenience store. But by the end of the movie, we all realize that death is inevitable, and this country is no place for old men. justin: Wow, that actually kinda took a serious turn. Were you Zach: Ha ha ha. justin: did you write that right after you watched the movie? Were you still feeling the effects of the seriousness? Zach: yeah, dude. I I left that movie and I just you know, I stared at a blank wall for like an hour, be like, Are we all Is this what the world is? justin: Huh. Yeah, that's a that's a departure. Usually usually plot summaries from you are really funny, but that was very serious. Zach: I mean like th run errands, you know, there's some humor there. I feel like half this movie is just running errands. justin: Yeah. They do yeah, you're right. Yeah, that's fair. Zach: The I gotta go buy a shotgun. I gotta go fix my shotgun. I gotta go buy clothes. I gotta go buy shoes. I gotta go to the pharmacy to fix the bullet wound in my leg. I you know I gotta go get a snack at the gas justin: L let's let's go shopping. Zach: station and have the most horrifying scene in movie, you know. justin: Yeah. Let's go shopping with Llewellyn and Anton. yeah, that's a good that's a that's a very good Zach: Yeah, right. Louell and what a name. justin: Llewellyn. I know. I feel like that's a Zach: All right. justin: name that you can't have in like a movie set in modern times. So perfect for late seventies. Zach: Yeah. Alright, so I wanna like start this conversation off with one thing first. justin: Mm. Zach: So we all have that like celebrity crush, right? Like justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: everyone has theirs. Like some people's are weird, you know, some people's are normal. Like there's Sydney justin: Guy Pierce. Zach: Sweeney out there, right? I get that. You know I'm not it's not for me, but I get it. Like, right, you know. I mean like must you know. justin: I don't know where you're going with this. Zach: What I'm saying is like everyone has their celebrity crush, we don't have to get into yours and mine, okay? My justin: Yeah. Zach: wife's biggest celebrity crush is Javier Bardev. justin: Really? Zach: Yeah, she loves him so much. justin: Okay? Yeah. Zach: The whole time I'm watching this movie, I'm like this I'm like, Carly can't watch this. This might ruin him for her. Cause I'm like, if this was your justin: Hm. Yeah. I so she didn't Zach: first experience with him, there's no way you're walking away with that being like, he's doing something for me. Maybe he is. I don't know. You know, with his Lord Farquad hair, maybe he is doing something. I don't know. justin: Man. Yeah. The Yeah. The hair, the all I think it was denim. The entire like dark denim matching pants and shirt. He's Zach: Yeah, yeah. justin: he is a yeah, he's not a looker in this movie for sure. Zach: Ha ha ha justin: I so so she did not watch it with you? Zach: No. We were gonna watch it together because this was actually one that she was interested in. So many of our old movies. She's given, you know, nineteen fifty-two, whatever, a try. And she's like, I'm so bored, justin: Mm. Zach: right? Or just like, I just, you know, you gotta be in the headspace for it. And she justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: just never is. And but she's like, actually, you know, it's like I love Javier Bardem. I've always wanted to see this movie, all you know, the memes and all that stuff. Like, yeah, let's go check it out. And justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: Just like always, I started it at like eight o'clock at night. She's like, I'm out, I'm out, I'm going to bed justin: Yeah. It's a tough one. And I I I I can attest that I texted you and I told you this is it can be a slow burn, so you cannot try to watch this if you're even halfway sleepy. 'cause it's yeah. So it's probably a good thing she didn't try to watch it with you. So why d here's I wanna let's have you give the actual plot summary and then when we dive in, I'm going to prompt you with a question to kick things off. Zach: Okay. Interesting. justin: How about that? Zach: All right. I'll give I'll give my attempt. Cause while I mean I don't to me it's not a very complicated plot. justin: Mm mm. Zach: Alright. So let me give you a real plot summary. Our movie opens in the desert. Josh Broolan's character, Llewellyn Moss, right, is justin: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Zach: hunting. I think that's how it starts, right? He's hunting in the desert for deer. Randomly comes across a, I guess, a drug deal gone bad. And justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: I think I mean we we like we can talk about some of the nuances of the movie, but like he very clearly has a background. Cause if you and I had come across that scene, I'd be like, my god, what do we do? my god, I gotta call 911. You I'd be panicking, like full on, you know, panicking. I'd be like, I'm getting out of here. Call 911, I'm not getting justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: close. He's like going in there very cool and collected. So clearly he's been around death. Clearly he's which justin: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Zach: I really like about this movie is they don't like They don't spell out the you kind of learned everyone's background, but like it was almost hard to write nitpicks as you were watching it, because I was like, well, why is this? Why are they doing this? Why are they doing this? And they do eventually get to it, but it's very slow and methodical. justin: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Zach: and then yeah, so he finds this drug deal gone bad, tracks down to where the money went, basically, and decides that I'll take the money. and then he decided to go back to his house, you know, with his wife. Probably everything would have been hunky dory. Movie could ended there. But he decides justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: to do something stupid and go back to the crime scene for some reason. And then the whole movie kicks off with basically a series of hitman and drug drug cartels chasing him through the desert to get their money back until eventually justin: Mm. Mm-hmm. Zach: he dies and his wife dies and the lead assassin is the only one who survives at the end of the movie. And it's just kind of like a very to me like the themes of this movie, there's two things. It's Like ran the randomness of life. 'Cause justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: he randomly finds this money, right? Josh Brolin's character. The even like the hitman who's played by Javio Bardem, his name is Anton Sh Shuger or Shugur or they call him Sugar. Yeah, Shugur. But justin: Chigure. Mm-hmm. Zach: randomly gets hit by a car at the end of the movie, And it's how people find each other, I I feel like is there's a little bit of a chance in it, right? It's like this kind like this nihilism about the world and like how dark it is, and then how justin: Mm. Zach: everything randomly happens while Josh Boland is just simply trying to get away with this money and being pursued justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: by a hitman and drug cartels the whole time. justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: and Javier Bardem's performance is incredible. So other than that, you know, that's pretty much my plot. The also my second plot justin: There's there's a pot. Zach: my second plot to this movie is just it's Fargo but it's hot. justin: Yeah. Not not far off. Yeah. Zach: Like there there's a lot of similarities between this movie and Fargo, right? It's like one regular guy just making bad choices the whole time and then justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: a bunch of professional criminals try chasing him in a b part of the country that nobody wants to live. justin: Yeah. Yeah. No, bravo. I think that was that was really well done. Zach: We we watched Fargo, right? The other Cohen brother we've watched for this and I like I mean there's obviously differences in Fargo, right? But like it's just it ha i it's the feeling of the world. Mike like the first note I wrote was like the Cohen brothers are so good at making this country look like ass. justin: It is an extremely undesirable place to to like wanna be. And and especially like at a time that I feel like I don't know. I feel like okay, it's fun to like have nostalgia for the eighties or right now I feel like the nineties is really, really big, like but Zach: Yeah, sure. justin: late seventies in Texas does not does not woo me in any kind of way. Zach: Why Yeah, I think like when you go back to the late seventies, you know, past the counter culture and like crime, like it's like one of my favorite New Yorks is like late seventies, early eighties New York. It just seems like the worst place to live, you know? And it's like it's a great justin: Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Zach: place to like put crime in a movie and it's I think they just took that concept and they're like, Alright, well but New York's cool. What if we just put it in a place that's not cool? You know? Do that Fargo, not cool. Right? justin: Yeah. Yeah. Zach: East Texas, El Paso, not cool. Wherever they're at, you know. Or West Texas, excuse me. justin: Yeah. Zach: Like it's like gross. justin: Okay, so we're gonna kick it off with a question. Yeah, Zach: All right, what's your question? 'Cause I I I got a question for you afterwards too, so justin: yeah. I'm not going to touch on is this a classic or anything like that, but so like we talked about, this movie got nominated for eight Academy Awards. Eight. Zach: Mm-hmm. justin: Kind of incredible. And it won four. So it won Zach: Mm-hmm. Cl including best pitcher, right? justin: Yeah, it won Best Picture, Best Supporting Actor to Javier, B Yeah. Zach: Which is bullshit, by the way. That should be a leading role. Whatever, okay. Sorry. justin: Best Director and then Best Adapted Screenplay because it was based off of a book, fun fact. But Best Picture Because don't get me wrong, like this I don't know. I remember watching this movie, I think in high school, actually is when the first time I saw it. but I Zach: Mm-hmm. We were seni we would have been seniors justin: If you Zach: in college in high school. justin: I guess if you pinned me down and made me watch this movie and I don't think my first guess would have been like that's that's best picture. do you think this movie deserves best picture? True like unfiltered thoughts. Zach: Like comparatively for that year or just in general? Like I was just like this is a best picture winner? justin: In general. Like when yeah, when you think about best picture movies and like does this fall in that category? Zach: So I think there's two ways to watch this movie. And that was I think coming away from it, you know, th there's obviously the themes and what it makes you think about. And like the Cohen Brothers are great at just this nihilistic dialogue that they have throughout the whole movie. Like they're all good at this stuff. But like the you either watch the movie on its vibes, or you watch the movie with like I don't logic in plot in mind. There's to me there's so many justin: Mm. Zach: like really jumps in logic in this movie and like you just gotta go with justin: Mm. Zach: the vibes. And I think the academy and movie artists love vibes. justin: Yeah. Zach: So like one movie that drives me crazy, that I think is similar in not necessarily themes or anything, but in like why people like it and why they don't like it is the movie Gravity with Sandra Bollock. So like justin: yeah. Yeah, I forgot about that mode. Zach: that movie Is all about the vibes, right? Like she's in space, isolation, harrowing, blah blah blah. Makes you feel anxiety, makes you a lot of things that are may mean not the pacing that's similar to this movie, but emotions that make this movie. The movie makes no fucking sense when you look at physics and like how like that would actually work, right? Like i there's so many instances when George Clooney dies, physics and that must say makes no sense. She's re-entering the atmosphere in some Russian fucking pod. And it's like flipping and doing spins and shit. No, it's gonna break up into a million pieces, he's dead. Like that movie drove me crazy because you can't watch it without like you have to watch it without logic. You have to watch it without justin: Mm. Zach: knowing how certain elements work. And like this justin: Yeah. Zach: movie is the same. They are in like 1980s, and everyone is like tracking everyone and like has access to full information. And you're like, how does anyone know any of this? Right? Like, how justin: Yeah. Zach: does Javiar Bardem? Pull off the license we I don't wanna get in the nitpicks too early. But like pull the tag or the like serial number off of hit of Josh Bolin's truck and like track it. Who's he calling to get that information from? Who's trusting a hitman's like justin: Hmm. Yeah. Zach: he has what relationship has he built that he's able to get access to that information? Even today justin: Mm. Zach: that would be him almost impossible. And we have internet and shit. So like there's so justin: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Zach: many things about this movie that like I think from a nitpick perspective About like how the mechanics work, that just don't i there's so many leaps. But justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: the writers don't care about that. It's all about the vibes of the movie. And this movie crushes it from a vibes perspective. Like justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: where I think like gravity, obviously I'm have a very lot of opinions on gravity. That movie drives me crazy. But so like that's just my example. Sorry, I didn't mean to get all like passionate about gravity. I know, right? I'm like, all right. justin: Hmm. Yeah, I know. You kinda got a little worked up. Are you sweating over there? Gravity got him too hot. Zach: I need to go get a drink, I'll be right back. Hey, calm down. Give me three seconds. I gotta tell my like my son, I'd be like, take deep breaths. I'm like, okay, justin: Yeah. Zach: it's just gravity, Zach. It's just a Sandy Bullock movie. It's not a big deal. But but my point is like justin: yeah. Zach: so to answer this long winded answer to your question is justin: Mm. Zach: like yeah, I I I don't know. Like I think if you like put the movie up to scrutiny and you're like, is the plot really that good? I I I don't know if it is, right? justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: I think the dialogue is great. I think the vibes of the movie are really good. justin: Mm. Zach: And I think the performances are incredible. I think like weakest link is gonna be a really or worse actor, winkest link, worst character. That's that's gonna be a really interesting category 'cause I think we're it's like hard to find anyone who's weak in this movie. Like even the the you know, characters who are there for three minutes are really good. justin: Yeah. Zach: Yeah, so I don't know. Like I for me it's probably not a best winner. justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: But I like the years when Argo wins. I don't necessarily like the years when Honora wins. So you know. justin: Sure. Yeah. I think it's it's an interesting question 'cause regardless of how you feel about this movie, like I said, I think, you know, whether you hate it or you like it, there are things about this movie that feel I don't want to say polarizing, but kind of. Because it does Zach: Mm-hmm. justin: things so differently. but I think, yeah, when you when you start looking at like best picture material, this movie winning best picture is think it's a big point of conversation 'cause yeah, on the one hand, I don't know. But on the other hand it's like it does do some things pretty well. But yeah, interesting. Hm. Zach: speaking of that though, last week, or our last episode, we talked about all the best pitcher winners that were around the nice guys. We had the year completely wrong. I pulled the year the movie was released, not the year justin: yeah. Did we? Zach: that it would have been up for the Oscars. So that conversation, sorry everyone, like not a good conversation. Okay. Just wanted justin: Ha ha ha. Zach: to like highlight that, you know. justin: They thank you for clarifying. I had no idea. Zach: If you're coming back and you've made it if you if you've got through that foobar and that irritated you and you came back the next p you came back our next episode and then you waited thirty minutes to get to this point. Sorry, I apologize. Okay. justin: You might need to go back and clip in like a little warning at the start. Just heads up. Fast forward to thirty thirty one minutes, twenty seconds in. Zach: Heads up. Your your apology is there, okay? So justin: Yeah. That's good to know. 'Cause I I yeah, I didn't know. you touched on the some of our superlatives. Do you wanna run through those real fast? And then we'll light this candle. Zach: Yeah, do you have any other any other thoughts? I mean th my question before we get into that, real quick, you justin: Mm. Zach: picked this movie to watch. Why did you pick it? Besides like just like, you know, I hadn't seen it, you're like, you know, you need to see this movie. justin: Yeah. No, I think that was one because it's I feel like this this movie always comes up in I feel like any kind of conversation for like best movies of like the last, you know, however many years, like, no country for old men. I think your wife talked about it, when we had dinner, all of us the other night, like On social media I feel like I follow enough movie accounts that I'll see clips of this movie all the time. And every time I see a clip of Anton at the gas station, it just makes me want to rewatch it. Not necessarily like the entire movie. I think this movie is really interesting because like you pointed out, the the vibes, the quote unquote vibes, right? It's the interactions between characters, it's Anton Chigurh, it's the violence, the the fluidity of the action in this movie. But then it's kind of composed against some of the not so great things, like an ugly setting. The nineteen late seventies in Texas, in the middle of the desert. literally Zach: Ha ha ha. justin: no fucking music throughout the entire entirety of the movie. Like if you're Yeah. Yeah. Zach: I was gonna say age the worst the score. Come on guys. justin: I mean like there's but I think that's why this Zach: No. justin: movie can can bring up a lot of really interesting conversations because it does so many things very, very differently than what we're used to. And yeah, I thought it would just be, if nothing else, a very interesting movie to talk about, but especially since you hadn't seen it, that makes it all the more fun. Zach: Yeah. No, I think yeah, no, I'm glad you made me watch it. it's always been on my short list, right? I love Cohen Brothers. I find them hit or miss. Like I think the the the movie before this one is like Lady Killers. Nah, it's not good. Right, or whatever, right? justin: Hmm. Zach: You know, the the the but I do think a lot of their movies are really good. I I loved Fargo when we watched it. I love Brother justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: War Art Thou. you know But they do have a lot of really good movies, you know, and and so I'm glad you made me watch this. It's always been on my short list. Alright, let's get into our superlades if you're ready. Alright, so we're gonna have Best scene, best character, worst character, weakest link of the film, age the best, age the worst, WTF are they talking about? justin: Yeah. Zach: what would make a good sequel? I think I have the fun one for this one. And then hot takes justin: Mm. Zach: and nitpicks. And then lastly, we will rate whether we think this is a classic. So let's start off with justin: There we go. Zach: best scene. What's your nomination? justin: You would kick it off? Zach: No, you kick it off, because it's your movie. justin: Okay. all right, so I have I'm gonna start with just like quick little runner ups. 'Cause I I put these I put these together. The gas station Zach: Okay. justin: scene with Anton where he flips the coin on the man. Does that I think that's like our first real scene where we get to experience Anton and he is so Zach: Yeah, he's killed two people. He's killed two people at that point. So you know he'll kill. And he's killed like one guy randomly just for a car. So you know he'll do justin: Yeah. Yeah, right. Yeah. Zach: it like without much takes. and that but I think that's justin: Mm-hmm. but that Zach: the first time you see his dialogue and his cadence being like, Well, justin: Yeah, and just how Zach: that's not what you said. Why would I say that? You it's like he's like clearly justin: Yeah. Zach: like you're like, Okay, this guy's broke. justin: Yeah, I mean he's he's chilling, he's intimidating, he's completely unpredictable. You you have no idea what he's gonna say next. Zach: No, it's a great scene. I I love that scene. It's a great scene. justin: Yeah. But like that scene and then I package that with when Anton speaks to Llewellyn's trailer park lady when he's he goes 'cause it Zach: No, yeah, yeah, like the the the property manager or whatever. justin: It's it's basically like the same exact scene. It's these two people who have no idea that they are dealing with like a great white shark staring them in the face. And they're just so confused and almost kind of angry but like hesitant and Zach: Yeah. justin: both of those scenes are they're just really, really fun. Zach: Yeah, they play out very differently 'cause the gas station guy's like, maybe I'm in trouble here. Where like justin: Yeah. Zach: the the the trailer park property manager or whatever she is, she's like justin: She Zach: she's just like, nah, get out of here. She's like, I've seen your type before. This done justin: Yeah. Which i and that that whole Yeah. That whole scene's really funny 'cause you can tell he g Anton gets like angry at her because she is not bending for him. Yeah, Zach: Mm-hmm. She's not intimidated by him at all, yeah. justin: and he's like about to do something, but then he hears a toilet flush and he realizes that they're not the only two there. So he he leaves and like she her life is saved on just the flimsiest of things that happens. But anyway, those two scenes, those like my runner ups, 'cause they're Zach: Yeah. There's not a zero percent chance that he's not coming back like that night and killing her still. justin: Yeah. Yeah, exactly. but my favorite scene, I think, out of the whole out of everything, is the the second hotel scene where Zach: Yeah. justin: Anton and Llewellyn get into it. And I think I think it it starts off almost it almost feels like a horror movie to me. So Llewellyn tries to go to sleep 'cause this is after They found him at the motel and he can't sleep and he's like, There's just no way. There's no way that they just happen to find me. So he gets suspicious, he digs through the money case, he finds the tracker. But so then he he starts to get nervous, he goes and picks up his shotgun, he tries to call down to the front desk guy, who he told, Hey, if you if anybody comes and checks in, please call me. He calls down to the front desk, front desk doesn't answer. So it starts like tension starts building, right? And then he's sitting on the edge of his bed and he's just watching his door. And we already know from previous scenes that when Anton tries to sneak up on people, he takes his fucking shoes off. I love that detail because it's terrifying to me that this murderous psychopath would take his shoes off so that he could sneak up on you and you wouldn't even hear him. it Zach: Full full discl full disclosure. My son refused to wear shoes the other day. Should I be nervous? I'm just justin: Yes you should. Especially if you see him with a hang on, what's it called again? A captive bolt pistol. but yeah, like all of the things Zach: he he just has like a pirate like a fake pirate one. So we're okay for now. justin: Yeah. All of the things ensue, Anton ambushes him, Llewellyn jumps out the window. One of the things that I also really like about this scene is that as Llewellyn is trying to run away, he runs down the alley, and Anton fires at him from a window up above, and we see It it's like they took that classic missed shot on our hero, like, they're shooting at our hero, but like they're not gonna hit him because we you know, blah. And we see a shot like ping right next to him and it hits the ground. And immediately your eyes are kind of like, Are you kidding me? This cold-blooded professional hitman can't hit him sitting standing still. He's running like probably 20 yards away. But then Llewellyn rounds the corner and like he got fucking pinged right in his abdomen. Like, it's bad. Zach: Ha ha ha. justin: Right. And so then you're like, shit, he did hit him. And it really just kinda throws it on its head, 'cause then it's like the stakes are really high up now because now Llewellyn, there's a strong chance he's probably gonna die. but I think just this entire scene from the from the start of it where it builds this tension all the way through this extremely weighty, gritty shootout where it feels like nobody is safe, right? Like Llewellyn's unsafe, even though he is our quote unquote hero, he's our he's our guy that we're supposed to be rooting for. he's very e exceptionally mortal and he's going up against this terrifying person. but that whole scene, I think that's my favorite. Big fan. Zach: Yeah. I agree with you. I think you already covered my top two. Like I think that scene justin: Mm. Zach: it's definitely the highest tension, highest stakes, for sure. justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: I personally just love the performances in the gas station scene. Like justin: Yeah. Zach: I just I could watch that scene like a hundred times and the guy's like, I don't I don't know. I don't know what my I can't pick it. What's the wage of what I know what what what you talking about? You know, like I could justin: Yeah. Zach: just watch his like I can't. I don't know. I'm I'm nervous now. You know, kinda kind of guy justin: Yeah. Zach: he is. I don't know. I don't know who that actor justin: Mm. Zach: is, but he was great for like the three minutes he's in the movie. justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: The only other thing I think I had just like the opener with the cop picking up Anton. And then like justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: in the b he's on the phone at the c gas station and Anton like gets the not the gas station, excuse me, the police station. And Anton like gets his cuffs like in front of him and then like just chokes him out and he just it's like immediately sets up this guy is insane. Like you just watch his justin: Yeah. Zach: face as he's choking him out, right? It's just like it's got the hair and everything. justin: Yeah. It's the de it's the details too, like the because they're on the ground on their backs and the the deputy is fighting for his life and he's kicking Zach: Mm-hmm. justin: the ground and then you see at the end there's all these bootmarks, scuffs all Zach: Mm-hmm. justin: over the ground from where he was it's yeah, there's there's like a level of weight to this movie that feels very dark. Zach: Yeah, and there's like a it's interesting, right? I I was listening to a podcast and it was actually with Bill Hayter. And Bill Hayter like loves this movie. And I think if you justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: watch his show Barry, it's like has a lot of similar kind of vibes. justin: Yeah. Zach: but he was talking about this movie and like he brought up a really interesting point 'cause I think this movie like can stray two ways very easily. Into grittiness, the realism, the darkness, and like just feeling just ugh. You just walk away, you're like, the you know, that was too real, you know. I I am like that, you know? Or justin: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Zach: it goes like very cinematic and the shoots out the shootouts are in crazy, right? And this guy's a very theatrical villain and and like this movie like straddles that line, which I think the Cone brothers are very good at, of being realistic and like terrifying. Yet, like the way Bill Hayter described it, cinematic. So it feels justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: like it's got the bigness of a big of like a blockbuster movie. It's got like the the staging of a blockbuster movie, but it's got the reality of like that true, gritty, dark, you know, taxi driver Scorsese movie sometimes, right? Like it's got a darkness and it's got a theatricalness at the same time that makes it very watchable and approachable, justin: Mm. Zach: even though it's very heavy. justin: Yeah. It is. It's a it it is extremely heavy and I mean so Zach: And I and I think it's to to your point, right? It's those details, like the scuff marks on the floor, yet justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: the st like the cinematic staging of the film of the scene. justin: Yeah. Yeah. No, completely agree with you. It's I think the grittiness of it is what makes some of these scenes so good. Like, you know, going calling back to when Llewellyn gets shot in that in that second hotel scene and 'Cause for so much of this movie we follow his character and he gets into these like very tough situations. You called it out, like in the very beginning, when he goes back he goes back because he felt guilty that he did not have water to give to that dying guy, which is why he he gets up in the middle of the night, he fills up a jug of water, that's why he's doing that, and then he goes back 'cause Zach: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. justin: he wants to see if he's still alive and give him water. Zach: Yeah, he he has like a good nature. He has some goodness in his heart, right? Yeah. justin: Yeah, yeah. But like from that point on, when he goes back and then the gang, the cartel, like chases after him, we see him in so many close scrapes and but then you see him get shot by Anton and it's I don't know, there's something that kind of like it's like a light switch for me whenever I see that scene. Well especially like the first time you watch it, 'cause it's like, Whoa, he's not safe and Zach: Yeah, it's un it's like it's so unceremonious too, right, to this character you've been justin: Mm. Zach: following the whole movie. You talking about like his death, you mean? Or when or when he gets shot at. do you mean the f the second hotel scene? Got it, yeah, sorry. justin: No. When he gets shot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, when he gets shot. Yeah. But that that grittiness, that weight to it, like Zach: Mm-hmm. justin: I don't know. It c I feel like so so many other movies, nothing is all our heroes are gonna have plot armor. There's nothing bad that's gonna happen to them, maybe until the last five, ten minutes of the movie or whatever. but this movie it truly does feel like nobody is safe. And I mean, we'll get to Woody Harrelson's character, but like he is a phenomenal example of that. He's in this movie all of what feels like ten minutes and then Anton gets a hold of him and then he's gone. Zach: No, he's honestly like one of my favorite characters in the movie 'cause he comes in just, you know, arrogant, right, and everything and with that with that B D energy, you know? justin: Yeah. And then he's he's j he's Zach: And and then like he gets caught and he's trying to like still keep that energy but he's like you can tell he's like terrified. That's another justin: Yeah. Zach: great scene too, right? That that's a contender when when Anton like catches up with him and they're sitting in the hotel justin: I think that Zach: room talking to that, right? justin: I I think that might be if I could take like one still from this movie and like frame it, it would probably be when Woody's character is walking up the stairs of the hotel and Zach: Mm-hmm. justin: he just looks behind him and Anton is right behind him, but he smiles at him. 'Cause he like I i I got you. You can't go anywhere. I got you. I win. And then he I don't know. It's yeah, it's a wonderful reminder of It's a gritty world, it's a violent world and it yeah, like you said, it really it blends that weightiness with this cinematic quality that just makes it feel big and yeah. Zach: I think my only other scene that I want to put up I do like the contrast between when Brolin is shot and he's like walking across the border and there's like the men there's like the young guys there that's like, Well how much do you got? You know, give me money for whatever. And then justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: and then at the end of the movie when Anton gets in the car accident and he's like injured and the kids are like s just want to help him. It's like the innocent of a child. Just be like, justin: Mm. Zach: no, it's okay, I'll just do the right thing. Versus like justin: Yeah. Zach: the nihilism and the the of an adult, right? Like justin: And the adults. Yeah. Zach: the what's the what's the other word that I'm looking for? Not nihilism, but like just, you know Life's just you've seen too much now to be like you know to keep that like honest heart. justin: Mm. Yeah. You you you s you s yeah, you see a dude who looks like he's about to die covered in blood, and your first thought is, How much money can I get off of you? Yeah, it's it is. It's a it's a great I'm sure there's probably like a hidden theme or hidden messaging there, like you like you were talking about. Zach: Yeah that justin: but it's it's dark. Zach: world the world beats chok beats childhood out of you. justin: Yeah. Yeah. I think children should have to watch this movie so that they can just go ahead and get adjusted now and and not let life ruin it for them. Yeah. No, no. But I'll get Zach: Yeah, my five my five-year-old watched it with me. Your yours your daughter didn't watch it with you? okay. justin: her walking around in her socks as well. so they Zach: Ha ha. justin: can start practicing. Zach: I know my son literally did would not want to wear shoes. And I'm like, that's fine. Whatever. Just get in the car. justin: Mm. Zach: Right. We're just going we're just was we were picking his sister up from daycare. And justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: we get to the daycare and I'm like, All right, well it's time to get out. I was like, Well, I'm not wearing shoes. What if someone laughs at me and I'm like, my god, I just justin: That way I don't know. Zach: can't with you right now. Like, yeah, that's why I told you to wear shoes, you little you little monster. Alright. Alright. Yeah, justin: Yeah, you little Anton. Zach: you little Anton. justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: alright. Let's get into best character. Cause I think our best scene, I think you're right, right? It's the host second hotel scene. It's the the biggest conflict between Anton and Llewellyn. as much justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: as I love the gas station scene, I think that it's the best scene. Alright, best character. Who is your favorite character in this movie? justin: Llewellyn's mother law. Zach: Ha ha ha. Hey, she's at least wrong. justin: Yeah. Anton is I mean, I don't know. We'd I feel like we don't even really need to talk about him. He's the easy pick. He's I think if Anton wasn't in this movie, I don't think it would I don't think it would be what it is. Zach: So let let's like talk about like the four I think there's like three leads and then there's like a fourth secondary lead. We've touched on them all, but like there's Josh Brolin, who's probably like he's like if there is a good guy in this movie, it's him. Then there's Anton, who's like the incarnation of evil. Then justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: there is Tommy Lee Jones in this movie, who is just like really he's like the Like the the audience's point of view. He's like, Yeah, this world's fucked up You know? He's like and I'm like I'm too justin: Hmm. Yeah. Zach: old now and I whatever, my life doesn't matter anymore, you know? I can't keep up. It's justin: Yeah, yeah. Zach: like the it's like it's like the, you know it's I'll be curious when we're like sixty years old and we go back and watch this movie and be like, Tommy Lee, best character of the film. He gets me, you know. justin: Hey, I have I have him on my list, s believe it or not. Zach: And then and then the fourth one is like Woody Harrelson, who is not a big character in this movie, but like when he is in this movie he does stand out, I think, in his scenes. justin: Yeah. Well he probably he probably gets the most screen time 'cause I don't think next to him would probably be Llewellyn's wife and she has w what feels like maybe four or five lines. Zach: Yeah, I yeah, she's probably the fifth lead in the movie. And she she's good when she's justin: Yeah, so no Zach: in it. I think the the last scene in the movie when she's like, You don't have to do this and he's like, That's what everyone says. She's like, Well you don't you know justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: And he's like, Well maybe I don't I don't know. I'm still gonna do it, but you got me second guessing myself right now. justin: Yeah. Yeah. I mean like out of all of those, I think Anton Anton is he is the he is the defining character of this movie. Zach: No, Javiard Bardem stands out. There's a reason he won justin: Yeah. Zach: the Oscar. Now whether we can debate whether he should have been in supporting. And Tommy Lee justin: Mm. Zach: Jones is in lead for this movie. Tommy Lee Jones is in one third of the screen time. justin: Yeah. he I think Yeah. He is like if I could not pick Anton for this movie, I think for best character for this. I think my next pick would be Tommy Lee. I think not that his character's anything truly outstanding. I just think he is pitch perfect in this movie. For the old veteran Ranger Sheriff. It like he plays him so perfectly. I actually really enjoy the opening where he delivers that monologue as the movie is opening. Zach: Mm-hmm. justin: But yes, it I think his character is really, really interesting before we get back into Anton, because like you said, he is he is being outpaced by these younger dudes and the violence that they're committing. And he can't keep up. And by the end of it, he's just worn out and he doesn't want to do it anymore. Yeah. Zach: Yeah, he he literally gives up. Like he just is like you know, 'cause in the in the movie he's always like one step behind him. He's good at figuring out what's happened, right? Which not everyone else is good at. But he's justin: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Zach: good at figuring out like what happened. But they're like, Well do you wanna investigate that? And he's like, no You know Like the the scene with the milk and the he's like justin: Yeah. I like the yeah. Zach: and the his his deputy's like, damn. They're just we're here. We gotta kick put an APB out or whatever, right? And he's like, Nah, I'm justin: Yeah. Zach: just gonna I'm just gonna sit down. justin: Yeah. I think I think my favorite and one of my favorite scenes with Tommy Lee's character and it where you see him start to realize that he is being outclassed or just outperformed, Zach: Mm-hmm. justin: I guess. z like his character is has an eye for the details. He's also like mentoring his younger deputy, walking him through like, here's what you do, here's what you look for, all the things. It's when Tommy is I think he's just having lunch at like a diner, but his deputy comes in and is telling him about the autopsy of the innocent guy that Anton killed at the very beginning and stole his car. Zach: Yeah, yeah, yeah. justin: And he's like, Yeah, he he wasn't shot. And the and Tommy Lee's like, What? That doesn't make any sense. What are you talking about? He's like, Yeah, there was an entry wound, but there wasn't an exit wound and like Tommy Lee is so Zach: There's no bowl it or whatever, there's no ballistics 'cause yeah. justin: Yeah. Like he he realizes in that moment that like this doesn't make any kind of sense, what is going on, and he's so disappointed or even disgusted by it, who knows, that he like pushes his lunch away. He doesn't even want it anymore. Zach: Mm-hmm. justin: And then from there he just starts going downhill further and further and further until at the end of the movie he just flat out gives up. But he he plays that declining character, this old this old man, just trying to keep up, trying to solve it. He plays it so perfectly. Zach: Yeah. justin: yeah, I mean he Tommy Tommy Lee Jones, I think, is my sleeper pick for best character, but Anton is he's just phenomenal. I don't Zach: Now Javier Barden is it's he was like born to play this role, which is like also terrifying. But you know justin: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Hey, I think I told you on like one of our very first episodes of this podcast that the silent shotgun was something that I was terrified of. I thought that was a Zach: Yeah. justin: regular thing. Because in this movie, they make it terrifying. Zach: Mm-hmm. justin: the sounds, the like the sound design of like some of his weapons, my god, but Zach: I found it kinda ridiculous 'cause I know it's like not a real thing and I'm like justin: Mm. Zach: I don't know. I was like, but but justin: Yeah. Zach: that's because it's I'm thirty almost thirty seven years old. You are thirty seven year old, you old geezer. And justin: Mm-hmm. Thanks. Thanks for that. Zach: And you know, I'm not eighteen anymore saying this for the first time, right? So it's justin: No. Zach: it's I'm like, well that's not a real thing. It's kind of silly. But justin: Yeah. Zach: but it w it works, I think, in the context of the time and of this movie and depending on who you are watching it. So all right, I justin: Yeah. Zach: agree with you though. Let's we're gonna give it to the evil incarnate of the movie, best character. justin: Best character wins. So yeah, you brought up earlier worst character or weakest link. I I didn't have anything. I I don't have anybody to fill that role. Unless you want to go with a default answer that Anton is the worst character because he's the villain. I don't have anybody. it is I think it's a phenomenally acted movie. I don't think I don't know who it would go to. Zach: Yeah, my only like potential contender where I'm like, okay, he's being outclassed and he's a little like he's trying hard to keep up with justin: Mm. Zach: everybody else, I think is the deputy, like character. Yeah, Tommy Lee's deputy. There's justin: Tommy Lee's deputy? Hmm. Zach: a you know, like th there's times where he's just, you know, he's like well sh you know, shine my shoes and buckle my belt, you know, like justin: Yeah. Zach: The we're on a real cracker here and I'm like, what is happening with this guy? But I think he's supposed to be kind of goofy in the same way that like, you know, in Fargo, right, everyone around Francis McDormott's character is like all the other deputies are like, Well shooks, I don't know, shoot, you know, kinda you know, kind of thing. And I think they're I justin: Mm. Mm-hmm. Zach: think he they're d they're they're whether the Cone Brothers intended it or not, are kind of doing the same thing in this movie. Or the dep the justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: the people surrounding him are like, Well, don't worry, I got him. He's right back behind me, just standing there on a chair. He'll be fine. He won't choke, choke me out and kill me in five seconds, right? And then he justin: Ha ha ha. Zach: does that, and then the other deputy's like, Well, shoot, this is quite a pickle. He's like, Yeah, but this over here is, you know, it's like they're they're they're they're kind of more slapsticky, the deputies around justin: Mm. Zach: the main deputy, you know. They're clearly he's justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: out he's clearly outsmarting all of them. justin: Yeah. Zach: so maybe that's my pick for weakest length, but I even then it's not a detriment to the film or to the choices, right? I think like it's just justin: Yeah, yeah. Zach: i if I'm having to pick if you're forcing me to pick, that's what I'm picking. But justin: Yeah, I would I would agree with you. 'Cause otherwise I don't I just I don't know. I mean I I don't even know Yeah. Yeah. We'll go with them. The deputy. Zach: Alright, let's do it. Age the best. justin: What do you got? Zach: Alright, so I have one. I'm I'm just gonna throw the first one out there as worst and best. Age the worst and age the best. It's the same cause I think we have to talk about it. It's time. We've justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: gotten this far in the movie. We alluded to it earlier. Javio Bardem's hair. It's like perfect for his character, and it is horrible. justin: It's really bad. Yeah, you need to here's what you should do. You should try to find a picture of him because I think there's a picture of him smiling. There's like a still of him smiling at some point. And he looks just like Frankenstein. And I think I think Zach: No, that justin: you should print that out and put it on Carly's desk so she can have that. Zach: I'll get a frame of it, you know, I'll frame it I'll I'll cover up my picture that she has. Or our well, she justin: Yeah. Zach: doesn't have any one of me, just me personally anymore, but like our family photo. I'm just gonna put Javi Arbardem in that hair, smiling. justin: There it is, I found it. It's that one. It's that one. Yeah, he I there is I don't know who came up with the look for him. Because I think upon like first look, he almost looks so god dang goofy that you're almost Zach: Yeah. justin: not intimidated by him whatsoever. But then once you see what he does and how he acts and my god, he's terrifying. So whoever thought to say like I'm not gonna make him visually intimidating, I want him to look goofy. Zach: Yeah, you know, they don't put a scar on his face and like yeah, like a tattoo on his neck, right? It's like I'm gonna give him Lord Farquad's hair and put him in a denim shirt, right? Like justin: It's yeah, I think you're exactly right. It has H the best and H the worst is hair. Huh. Zach: Well, I mean it and it works so well 'cause like in that scene that we were talking about earlier with Woody Harrelson walking up the stairs and like Javier Bardem's character comes from behind him and justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: you see him out of focus, but the hair is so distinctive, and though his justin: Mm. Zach: mannerisms and kind of the way Javier Bardem kinda he's more stocky, right? Like how he carries himself. justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: You just like no, that's you instantly know it's that character, even if it's not in focus, right? So there's a justin: Yeah, yeah. Zach: lot of great design about it. It's just awful, awful, awful hair. justin: Yeah. That's a really I I I love that response 'cause it is perfect. I think for the thumbnail you need to use that picture of him looking That Zach: no, he's he's definitely in the thumbnail on the YouTube video for sure. justin: needs to be the Frankenstein picture. Zach: I usually try to like give a little bit of diversity to it, right? Like pick different characters. justin: Mm. Zach: Not main maybe not the main character, right? But like try to like be like, Yeah, you know what? I'm gonna pick, you know, the the secondary character that we liked or something like that. But I mean he's just so iconic for this movie. You can't pick anybody but Yeah. justin: It's yeah. It's perfect. Yeah. I had I'll try to I don't s I'll I'll go do my best to try to explain what I'm talking about here. Zach: Okay. justin: The small characters and how they interact with our main characters. you kinda touched on it like the gas station attendant, Zach: Mm-hmm. justin: the trailer park management lady. I think the Cohen's they put so much thought into these quirky interactions and like I guess it strikes me as almost what would happen in like a real world scenario if you didn't know that Anton because again, looking at him physically, he looks almost borderline goofy. And granted it's the late seventies, so maybe that look was popular back then, I don't know. but if you look at him Zach: No, I I don't th I don't think so. justin: If he walked into your gas station, like would you just off the cuff be like, Holy shit, that's a murderer, and I need to just like be very respectful? Or would you be like, Zach: Ha ha. justin: look at this goofy dude coming in here and like trying to get whatever? But I think it's it's so interesting to see how these side characters interact with Anton, even Llewellyn, like Zach: Yeah. justin: But with Anton, the people or like gas station dude, he is confused. the trailer park lady, she's defiant of him. She's not afraid of him. when like I think in so many other movies, it would be very simple to write these people as just like Anton walks in and like, ooh, they're terrified. Like, here you go. Take whatever you need. or like when Llewellyn the first motel that he goes to. He gets one room and then he comes back and he wants to get a second room. And that woman is so confused as to why he Zach: Ha ha. justin: wants a second room. And she's like, Why but why would you want this room? It has two beds. And that is exactly how I would react if somebody was like, Yeah, I want a second room and I want it to be this specific room. Like, I love these quirky little interactions that Zach: Yeah. justin: these these side characters have. Because it would just be so simple to have, you know, Lou Ellen walk in and say, I want a second room, and she'd say, Okay, here you go. And then like scenes Zach: No, I justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: I think that's why like in my synopsis I brought up like half this movie is just running errands. It's dealing with the clerks. It's justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: dealing with the like buying the material. Like you know whatever they're doing, it half of it is just them like I gotta get all this stuff together and like and interact with the real world while I'm being pursued. justin: Yeah. Zach: And they do it's You know, I joked about it in the synopsis, but I feel like it's what makes the movie like so good is this justin: Mm. Zach: interaction with the real world and these like yeah, I agree with you, Age is the best, like Yeah. I d I I don't know if there's a terminology for it to your point, but like the flushing out justin: Yeah. It's just Zach: of the world through the interactions they have with the everyday people is great. justin: It's like put it's putting a lot of thought into these otherwise what would be minor interactions. but they draw them out and not not in like a Tarantino way and you know but like it yeah, it just it does something that's very different that I feel like you don't see in a lot of other movies. And that's that's one of the things that makes it stick out. Zach: So I had the randomness of life as like a theme through this movie. Cause justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: like it's literally some random guy hunting in the desert who randomly comes across this drug deal gone bad situation and like that's what kicks the movie off. Right? So it's just justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: like randomly finds it. The end of the movie, he randomly gets hit by a car. And I I I would say like the randomness of the movie and like not to use like a Gen Z term that's a random, but like I don't even know if that's Gen Z or whatever, but hey, first of all, justin: You boomer. Zach: I'm the heart of millennials. We're just now in our late thirties, early forties, so we're getting old. justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: But but like the randomness that's displayed of life in this movie. In some other movies, I hate randomness because it's almost like there's like an Deus Ex Machina kind of like vibe to it, where it's just like random random stuff is happening to move the plot forward. And it's it does in this movie too, but the way it uses randomness is like it feels random. Like it feels really random. Something's either gonna happen or it's not gonna happen, that's just life. And there's like one justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: track, like at any point and maybe this is too philosophical, but like at any point in time in your life, you can go a thousand different directions. But when you're looking back at your life, there's only one direction that can go. And there's justin: Mm. Zach: random things that happen in that one direction. And that's like what this movie is like. What I think this movie sells is like, yes, life is one direction. You might feel there's possibilities, but there's only one path you're gonna take. You're never gonna be able to not take that path, and random stuff is gonna happen. And I think that movie justin: Mm. Zach: like somehow captures that theme or that sentiment very well. justin: Well, well done. I think we need to put that on a T shirt. And we No, no, no. We're gonna we're gonna Zach: That would be the world's long I think that'd seem like a minute and a half. That'd be like a novel. Look like the back of a of a of a concert t shirt with all the different c states they went to, you know, or whatever. justin: We're we're gonna pluck out just a few select sentences from there. Maybe maybe we'll drill it down into like one one little singular phrase, but I think you should write a book. I I really, really like that 'cause it's it fits in with I think like what you were talking about, the vibes of this movie. which also Gen Z, Mr Boomer Gen Z. the vibes are somewhat immaculate in certain things in this movie. But yes, it's those random encounters that they kind of suspend your belief, right? Because like we have to go along with certain things because it's a movie and we need to, but like some of fit in very, very well. and it's what makes this movie I think it what makes it special in a lot of senses. So Bravo, get your we'll we'll start looking where we can start making t-shirts. Everybody listening, if you would like to contribute to making this t-shirt, you can send Zach: Yeah. justin: us some donations. We'll put we'll put our Venmo on there or and we'll get we'll get T-shirts made. Hmm. Zach: I only have two more things. I don't know. What do you got? justin: I don't have anything else. Zach: Okay. Alright, two more things. The score that it doesn't exist. I think really justin: Mm. Mm-hmm. Zach: works well for this movie. It's like the fact that they were even able to pull it off is impressive. justin: Yeah. Zach: That they have no score through the whole movie. I i i is there moments where they bring in music? I can't even think of any. justin: So according to Wikipedia, no, the i technically throughout the movie, there's not. I think the only things that they have are sound effects, and I don't think I don't know if that counts as a score. Zach: Well they they use yeah, they use like sound effects like a score, like the beeping of the justin: Yeah. Zach: of the like the detector thing. justin: Or like when I think when when Anton is killing that at the very beginning when he's choking out the the deputy that arrested to him, there is almost like a I don't it's I don't know if it's like strings in an orchestra in a very tense sound while he's strangling him. But there is not music. There's not a sweeping Zach: It's like the the cadence of like the feet squeaking on the floor is like like has like a a rhythm to it. Yeah. justin: Mm. But there's so apparently there is technically a score. There is Zach: technically you score, okay. justin: there is like something I looked it up on Wikipedia. There is Well Zach: Like some kind of ambient noise that's bringing the in it. justin: it says that there is mu I think there's music in it, but it only plays during the end credits. which I turned it off. I did not stick for that. So I d Mmm. Mmm. Zach: Yeah, and I listened 'cause I actually s I actually stayed 'cause I like, I wonder if they're gonna play music 'cause there's no music in the movie And it to me it sounded more like a guy walking through a field with some like cadence. Feel like if it justin: Okay. So maybe Zach: was like justin: Yeah. So maybe that's what they meant by a score. But I think in terms of like what we know as a score with actual music and Zach: Yeah. justin: all of that, like I don't it doesn't exist. And I think that is very much so what makes this movie unique. 'Cause I think it I think it for me it's a Pro Anacon. I think it's a pro in the scenes where tension is really, really high. It just absorbs you into it. but then on the slower paced scenes, my God, is it boring? And Zach: Ha ha ha. justin: I mean, like, yeah, you cannot watch this movie if you are even halfway sleepy, because there's a good chance that you're gonna doze off during it. Cause it's it's just so I don't know. It's engrossing, but at the same time it's so boring in certain parts. Like there's just not a lot happening. I shouldn't say boring, it's just very very down tempo, we'll say that. How about that? 'cause everything Zach: Yeah, yeah. It's justin: that happens is I think like the movie is very tight, right? Like I don't think they waste a lot of time in this movie. Everything's done pretty well. It's just you don't have the rush of, you know. an orchestra that that's helping to drive forward anything. Zach: Agreed. the only other one I had is the casting of this movie. No, we like justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: said we we've already s talked a lot about it. We've always said it's great. I just wanna I would be remiss not to put it in this category as like this movie's impeccably cast, you know. Everyone fits really justin: Yeah, it's really good. Zach: well. I think like I saw some like you know, like alternative casting that they justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: had out there. And I think one who was close to getting Brooland's part, which would have been interesting, was Heath Ledger. justin: Mm. Zach: So a and I think he would have done just as good of a job. I th there's a there's justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: something about Brolin in that role where he's like he's a good he's not a bad guy, right? He's just like an honest guy who found money, he's like, nah, maybe I'll just take the money, you know? justin: Yeah. Zach: And like he's not a bad guy in the movie necessarily. Maybe you're making dumb decisions. But there's like at the end of the day, there's still a little bit of like, nah, this guy kinda seems like a piece of shit, you know? That Brolin pulls off. That like I don't know if Keith Ledger could have you know. justin: Yeah. Yeah. No, that's a good point. I saw something Zach: You're like justin: on online that was talking about like he was he wasn't entirely sure about this role because it had so few lines from his character. Zach: Mm-hmm. justin: which when you think about it, yeah, he doesn't talk a lot. yeah. Zach: Yeah, no one really does. Yeah. justin: Except for I mean like, you know, comparatively I think when you look like Tommy Lee Jones' character, all of his scenes, even though he's not in it a lot, all of his scenes he talks a lot in his scenes. Zach: Yeah, there's a lot of narration happening. Even it's not him talking. It's like there's a lot of dialogue in those scenes, yeah. justin: Yeah. I think so Josh Brolin's character, Llewellyn, I mean he's yeah, he has a lot of he's just doing stuff, right? He's trying to hide the suitcase of money in the air vents in the motel or you know, he's sawing off the end of his shotgun. I mean there's so many we spend so much time with him, but he doesn't say a whole lot. So it's interesting. Zach: And then the only other like alternative casting that I heard about or read about, I guess like Javier Bardem was like close to like he had like scheduling conflicts and he was like almost justin: Yeah. Zach: not being able to do this movie. And they had like Mark Strong, I guess was gonna be the k which I'm like that might have worked too. I could see it working. Would have been interesting for his c for him. justin: yeah. I didn't know. I be yeah, yeah. Mm-hmm. Zach: Kinda missed out on an opportunity. justin: Yeah. I w yeah, I'd be care I'd be curious. He's I don't know. Like we've talked about with so many other characters, he Javier is he is Antoine. It's hard to imagine Zach: Yeah, yeah. justin: somebody else playing that character. Not to say that nobody could, but he he plays it so well. Zach: Yeah, no, I I think both of them, both Javier Bardem and Josh Sprolin, it's like hard to imagine anyone else taking on those roles and like capturing the sentiment that they captured. It would just be a different justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: it'd be different characters, to be honest, right? Like Okay, justin: Yeah, for sure. Zach: let's go to Age the Worst. justin: Hm. I I only had one little thing and I'm not gonna take too much time on it 'cause I feel like we just talked about it, but just it's a slow burn. I don't know Zach: Yeah. It's f that's very Cohen brothers. They they like a slow movie. justin: Yeah. And it it fits into like what they do and you know, they they world build and they make, you know, the mundane things so interesting and but it really is like I you know, even s having seen this movie several times at this point, like, if you were not fully invested into this Zach: Mm-hmm. Yeah, th they love a desolate wide wide shot, you know, of the desert, justin: Yeah. Zach: right? They're like you know, most people will do a wide shot and put grandeur in there. They're like, look how terrible this place is. Wide justin: Yeah. Zach: shot. Twenty seconds. Driving down the highway, no one else there, everything is little and it's big and it's depressing. They justin: Mhm. Zach: love that shot. justin: Yeah, they really do. and yeah, I don't know. It it's probably not fair to critique that because that's almost like their signature element. but it's Zach: Yeah, it's it's what a lot of people like about them their movies, right? That it gets justin: Yeah, yeah. Zach: it's slow there's a slow burn to some of the scenes and everything of the punctuated by like intense justin: I Zach: you know, intensity. justin: and I think going back to like the music, like I think that also plays a big factor into that, like b being a slow burn. 'Cause when you have nothing else but just watching, you know, I don't know, these characters just kind of walk around. yeah, it's just it's a slow burn. That's but that's I don't know. That that's really the only thing that I had. And I don't even know how you would get a I not get around it but do it differently because that's that's Zach: Mm-hmm. justin: how they made this movie. They made it like that on purpose. But for me Zach: Yeah. justin: that's what I put down for H the Worst. Zach: we touch on this every time. Mirror Max, Harvey Weinstein's coming in, no good. Alright, we'll skip you know, we've every time. It's justin: Mm. You still got called out though. Zach: You still gotta call it out, but no good. the the two thousand and CGI deer that he's hunting in the beginning of the movie. They kinda do some like justin: yeah, yeah. Zach: like jumping around and moving and stuff. You're like that, those are clearly CGI deer You know. That you know justin: Mm-hmm. Did did you like the did you like the actual puppet dogs? They came after Lou Ellen from the cartel? Zach: I was gonna say like d I had dog deaths, like but I don't know. I thought like the I so I was wondering that, right? Like the dog in the river, is that a real dog or is that like a puppet? justin: I mean, I think in the river swimming, I think that was a real dog. But when it jumps on him and like land like he shoots it, like that's obviously that's a puppet. Yeah. Zach: Yeah, he shoots it, right? And just kinda just flops into him. Yeah. Yeah, that's some stuffed animal. No, I yeah, I th the dogs there was no dog scene that I was like This dog's not selling that it's a dog to me, like the like the CGI deer did. justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: I don't there's too much dog death in this movie. I'm like, get out of here with all those dog death. justin: But they're mean dogs. Can you justify mean dogs? Zach: No, I don't care. No, they're just bad owners, okay? There's no mean dogs. They're just bad owners. justin: Good, good. Let's get you and let's get you and PETA involved. Let's do it. Zach: I I know a PETA lawyer. My c Carly justin: Good. Zach: went to had a sorority sister who works for PETA as a lawyer now. So I I got my person, justin: There you go. Zach: I know who to call. justin: Yeah. Call Let know. No country of old men, they torture dogs. Who may Zach: Ha ha ha justin: or may not have been puppets. Zach: yeah, so yeah. CGI Deer, dog violence, justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: terrible. crossing the Mexico border without a pass passport. justin: Hmm. Yeah. He just walks across. Zach: It comes comes back like pretending to be drunk in in one direction like, Meh go never go through you know, it's fine. justin: I do like how he got he only got back into America because he told the the Border Patrol guy that he was a former nom vet, I think. Zach: Mm-hmm. justin: which I think also I'm assuming that's true. Like he didn't just make that up, 'cause that would also make sense as to like you talked about, like when he came across that showdown in the desert, Zach: Yeah. justin: he was very calm. Like he he kinda seems like he has experience, so Zach: Yeah, we'll get into nitpicks here in a second. But like everyone's like level of competency and like abilities is suspect to me. justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: but yeah, to your point, right? They they try to like touch on well he's a nom guy. So he's seeing death, right? Or whatever, right? So justin: Yeah. Zach: he's like, Yeah, I could walk through this and it's whatever, you know. justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: all right. Any other Age of the Wars for those are those my list. Okay. justin: No, that's all I had. Zach: All right. Let's go to WTF what are they talking about? I only have a few things. justin: What did you have? 'Cause I didn't have anything. Zach: I think it's Tommy Lee Jones character. No, sorry, it was not Tommy Lee Jones' character. It's Josh Boland's character at the beginning of movie when he sees the guy who's like agua, por favor, agua, whatever, right? In the in the van. Or not the van, but in justin: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Zach: the truck. And he's, you know, they say lobos, and he's I ain't no lobos. I don't know what a lobos is. Something, you know, but just I don't speak that language, so that's fine. justin: Mm. Mm. Mm. Zach: the one thing that I had from a quote that it wasn't so much like what? does this mean as like what the hell is going on here? So when so maybe it's a more of a nitpick, but like when Josh Brolin is leaving with the jug of water to go back to the to the the drug bus gone wrong scene to get that guy water. justin: Mm. Yeah. Zach: And he says, Tell my mother I love her. And she's like, your mother's dead. He's like, well then I'll see her. I'm like, what the fuck is happening? Like, what do you mean? Like, why did he say that? justin: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Zach: I I don't know, like you're like, Wow, well that's right. I forgot she was dead. And like, is it like just is it just banter? Is it supposed to be like it it didn't come off at first it like came off to me like he was like I'm really tired. I forgot my mom was dad. You're right. Sorry. You know, justin: Mm. Zach: like it's middle of the night. I don't know. It was just kind of a weird that was like a weird moment in the dialogue for me. Maybe it's not for everybody else, but I'm like, why did he s do is he just being like, Well, that's just what you say. You just say, Tell everyone that I love them because I'm I'm dead, I might be dead or whatever, right? Like I don't know what was happening. It was just odd for me. justin: Mm. Yeah, no, I would yeah, I would agree. Weird line. Zach: And then the last one I have, again, not that I didn't know what he was talking about, but I'm like it's so goofy coming out like I it I think it speaks to like the goofiness of Javier Bardem's character that's like kind of disarming is he asks when he's when he meets like I don't know again, we'll get in the nitpicks 'cause I'm like, I don't know who all the players are and like what their backgrounds are, right? So there's like the corporate business that's like going after the money, then there's like the cartel that's going after the money. I don't know who's justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: hired whom and whatever, right? But the two corporate guys show up at the cr at the drug bus with Javier Bardem, and he's right before he shoots both of them after he figures out the information he needs, justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: he's like he s he asks one of them to to take to pry off the like Venn number information off the truck. He asked them for a scroogey, like a screwdriver, justin: Mm. Zach: but he calls it a scroogey. And I'm like, justin: Hmm. Zach: a scrooge is like, do any of y'all have a scroogey? Right? He's like what he asked and I'm like, Scroogey? justin: Is that what it did you have the subtitles on? Is that what it said? What scroogey? Zach: Yeah, of course I had the subtitles on. Yeah. He said Scroogey. I rewound it and I like s with like it was spelled like Scrooge G I E. I'll have It'd justin: That's so so weird. Zach: be like for me, like at work and be like, does anybody you know, I don't know, it'd be like I need a pencil, so I'm like, Does anyone have like a little like a like a pencil you know, a little pencil that anyone can give me? A little pencil little pencil doodle, you know? Can you give me a little pen penadoodle, right? You know, or whatever, justin: Yeah. Yeah. Zach: like at work people like The hell are you talking about? Weirdo? justin: I think you should start calling it that. Zach: I'll che I should justin: That's Zach: ch I should teach my son that it's called a scroogey so he can ask for that when he is like, you know, a little older. justin: Ham come on, Dad, Hammond Scrooge. Great call outs. Zach: I have thought about that. I was like, I'm just gonna like pick one word and justin: Mm. Zach: he's gonna be like, you know, he he'll call it that, but like nobody else will. Just like kind of mess with him. justin: He was gonna feel so betrayed when he gets older and somebody's like, That's not what it's called. Zach: Yeah. When he gets older and he's I just want him to be in college and be like, Yeah, can I have a Scroogey? And they're like, What the hell is a Scrooge? You know, screwdriver, a scroogey And they're like, No one calls it that justin: Yeah, let's do it. Let's let's traumatize your son. Yeah. Zach: Just, you know, c add add a little add a little bit to his life. Add a little bit. A little whimsy, you know. justin: That'll be a memory that he'll hold forever. My dad taught me this word Zach: Mm-hmm. justin: that was wrong for eighteen years of my life. Zach: I don't know. I'm just saying like parent goals, you know, that's all I got. justin: Yeah. Okay. You said you had a great sequel. Let me hear it. Zach: Alright. Okay. I don't, you know, everyone's dead by the end of this movie except for Javier Bardev's character. And I don't you know what? I don't need to see what he's doing. I don't give a shit. Who cares? justin: Ha ha ha. Zach: What I want for my sequel, and it's more like a 30 like a like a 15-minute webisode. It's not even a full sequel. But I want like a you know, a 15-minute YouTube clip of The guy at the gas station getting back home to his wife and like trying to explain his day to her. Come justin: That's a good one. Yeah. Zach: back home and be like, dude, I had the weirdest interaction at work today, honey. This little strange justin: Yeah. Zach: little man this little man. Cause like, I'm like, does he walk away from that situation thinking he's gonna get murdered or robbed justin: Yeah. Zach: or something? Like he said, he has to be like, okay, this guy clearly is malicious, but I don't know about what, because you would not immediately justin: Yeah. Zach: assume. Everyone is gonna murder you. So he's just justin: Yeah. Zach: it's like I had the oddest day, you know? That's what I that's what I wanna see. I wanna justin: Yeah. I think that's perfect. Zach: see him like to try to explain what happened to him to his wife at work. justin: Yeah. Bravo. I think that's probably the best what would the sequel be that we've ever had. Zach: Ha ha ha. justin: It's perfect, yeah. Cause he does. Anton asks him like where do you where do you live? Like and he said maybe I'll come back like after you like go home or something or something like that and the guy's like, Well why would you come Zach: Yeah, yeah, he justin: back? We're we'd be closed. So Zach: You don't think justin: yeah, like he has to be d somewhat nervous that this dude's gonna come back and like Zach: He was like and you know, his wife's like, Well maybe we should call the cops. Like, about what? You know, this guy was creepy or weird, you know. justin: Yeah. This dude that came into my s store and was just fucking with me a little bit. I mean Zach: So I don't know if you remember this. I'm sure I told you this when I was in college. So do you you remember when I worked at the bank in college, right? So for justin: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Zach: everyone who is listening, all you know, 40 of us, I worked as a teller in college at a bank. And I worked in not the greatest part of town. There's no bad parts of town in Knoxville. I mean, there's like, you know, but like, it wasn't the greatest part of town. And I got We used to have to give like cash advances for credit cards, which is like if you guys want any advice, it's just not a great way to get cash. Okay? I I justin: Yeah. Zach: understand if you need to get cash, it's probably better than like a payday loan. But it's it's immediately interest charging for your cash. So it's it's not the greatest for but you know, I'm not gonna anyone who needs the the the help, I get it. Okay? justin: Let's get this back on track. How are we getting on financial advice right now? Zach: Okay, sorry, sorry, thank you. Alright. So I'm this is it just reminded me of this day. So I'm at the justin: Mm. Zach: bank and this guy comes in getting a cash advance and he's like super nervous. And like his card is not going through. justin: Mm. Zach: And so we are like calling people. It's taking me like forty-five minutes, eighteen year old Zach trying to get this guy who's like super nervous a cash advance. I look out to his car. Or w the car he was in, which w he wasn't driving. A young woman was driving it. It was like beaten up. It had two license plates on it. One and justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: then one on top of the other that was kinda lifted up. And I'm like, Well that's not good. justin: Mm-hmm. Telltale signs. Zach: Yeah, right, you're like, Hmm hm, I don't know I don't know I don't know about this. So finally I think it wa he was only wanting like fifty bucks or something. And so we were like, you know what, let's just like we'll go around the approval system, got my manager's approval, just like went with like a like a a manual system and did it. Got him out the door, took me like forty five minutes. I go to lunch, I come back, I have a note on my desk that says like, please call me immediately Yeah, w so and so's name. I don't even remember what it was. I call them back and they're like You took an hour of my girl's time. She's like, I know who you are. Like we're like it was like basically it turned out like this woman was like a a sex worker and because I had taken so long to push him through, I was like being threatened for like being threatened for and so justin: Yeah. Zach: money. So like I was like, you know, just the inner I all this whole long story of me being like extorted for money because I I took so long to get a guy cash for a sex worker. and like I remember having to leave the office that day. We had like police come and like walk me to my car. justin: Ha ha ha. Zach: But like so like I'm all that to be said, like I felt what this guy was feeling in that moment being like I'm just trying to do a job here, man. Okay? I'm just trying to be justin: Yeah. Zach: like an honest living and I'm getting this interaction. There's this world outside of what I am doing, which is simply being a teller or being a gas station attendant. And and it's like there's this whole world outside of it that's seedier than me. Leave justin: Ha Zach: it out there, okay? I don't need it in here. So like I'm very much related to that scene. justin: Yeah. That's I've never I don't think you ever told me that story before. That's really funny. And also Zach: Yeah, we were living together at the time. I'm I I'm surprised I didn't tell you that. That's really flippy. justin: Yeah. It was pri like, yeah, terrifying. but also makes for a great story. Zach: I was like the only guy at the office too, so I couldn't like walk out with like I was like, hey you know, Melissa, can you walk me out to my car? Like she's like f five two. I'm like, all right, well maybe Melissa's N not the right you know, the ripe I like so we actually like had to like get security to bring me out 'cause I was like justin: Sh yeah. I think you and the gas station dude would be birds of a feather, for sure. Zach: Alright, so let's get in the nippix. I even know where that was going. I just like got off on a tangent there. Alright. no, we were talking about sequel. Well, whatever. We're past sequels. Let's go to the nipix. You ready? Okay. justin: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. How many I I have two. How many do you have? You have like twenty. Zach: Five. Like I have six. justin: Okay. Why don't you start Zach: All right. justin: and then we'll peppermine it. Zach: Okay. It's not a fault of the movie, because they intentionally don't. This is a deliberate choice. But like, what justin: Mm. Zach: is Javier Bardem's job? Like, what is it really? justin: Mm. Zach: Like, he's a hitman, I guess, and he's pursuing justin: Yeah. Zach: this money, but he's killing everyone who's involved. I don't know who hired him. Did the corporate company hire him? That leads into my second nipic. What is this corporate company? Like. justin: No yeah. Yeah. Zach: I don't and like and it's deliberately vague because the story's more about justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: what Josh Bolin is going through. justin: Yeah. Zach: And and I think that's like one thing that ages the best for me too. Did not but it's like they they there be certain scenes where it's like shot from a character's perspective. Like the hotel justin: Mm. Zach: scene. Like Javier Bardem is hardly in that scene in justin: Mm. Zach: focus or in view, 'cause it's all shot from Josh Bolin's perspective. It's like when Josh justin: Yeah. Zach: Spurland's character dies. It's all shot from Tommy Lee Jones' perspective and his death is like very unceremonious, right? He just walks up and is like, there's dead on the floor. Right? Like justin: Yeah. Zach: so like it does a really good job at that. But because it does that, I don't have any context around like who these people are or like why they're doing what they're doing. I don't know what Javier justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: Vardem's job is. I don't know who hired him. I think it's the corporate company, but why justin: Okay. Zach: would they hire him? They have another hitman already. Like who's clearly more trustworthy? justin: Yeah. Zach: And more of justin: Yeah. Zach: a c more of a player, corporate player, right? Like, justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: I don't know who what is this corporate company? Like why are they after drug money cartel? Like what cartel money? Like, why would they want to get involved in that? justin: Yeah. Zach: You know? It just it's a very odd a i it had me like it was kind of distracting for me in the movie, and I was talking about it with gravity, right? like these things happen that are distracting in the movie for me, and I'm like, I just why? Why are they involved? Who are they? What are they doing? And I don't justin: Yeah. Yeah. Zach: know that the movie answers it super well. And again, the movie's trying to go for vibes. It's not trying justin: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Zach: to give those answers. So it's not a fault of the directorial choice. But I just find myself being like, Who are these people? What are they doing? What are they doing? What is their job? How many people has justin: Yeah. Great questions, all. I mean Zach: Javier Bardem murdered in his whole life? Because he's murdering like twenty people in this movie. So he's justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: just ripping through five hundred? I don't know. Like justin: Yeah. It's just another notch on the belt. I mean a lot of notches on the belt. But yeah, great questions. Zach: Like the two men that he meets in the like we just talked about, right? The two men that he meets from the corporate, I guess, company, whatever they are, whatever their deal justin: Mm. Zach: is, and he just immediately kills them once he gets the information. justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: Why? Like I've I it's just killing everybody. I don't get it. justin: Yeah, it's interesting. Yeah, I like I always took that as like he's taking out those dudes because he is going to try to go after the money and keep it for himself. But as we learn, even Woody Harrelson's character kind of aludes to this. It's not about the money, he's like a man of principle. So yeah, why it doesn't make sense that he would kill those two suits, 'Cause they're I don't know, they they're just trying to help him. They're trying to help him like get information to track Llewellyn down. Zach: Yeah. Yeah. justin: yeah. It doesn't I mean, you hit the nail on the head. It's it's intentionally vague so that they don't have to try to expand upon it, but Zach: Yeah, the the they're like we're not ans interested in answering those questions. We have a justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: story and it doesn't need those answers, but it's like justin: Yeah. Zach: I don't know. It it it justin: Yeah. Zach: there was times I was like W why is he doing what he's doing? Like justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: 'cause he kills those two suits. justin: Yeah. Zach: And this is my third nitpick, so I'll just get my first three out of the way, right? First one is like, what is Harvey or Brodem's job? Who hired justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: him? This corporate entity, what is their deal? Why do they do what they're doing? And then like my third one is like everyone is able to find everybody. Now they justin: Yeah. Zach: have the tracker in the suitcase, but it's like a proximity tracker. So it's just driving up and down streets till he finds it. Like it it's just the ability to track people in this movie in nineteen eighties is and I've already like I kind of alluded to it earlier, just makes no sense to me. justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: Like Javier Bardem's character kills those two suits immediately. And he's not doing it like it's his first day doing this job. justin: Yeah. Zach: So like everyone knows, like, if you just deal with this guy you get killed, right? So, like, justin: Mm. Zach: who is he getting information from? Like, how is he getting additional details about what's going on, right? Like, justin: Yeah. Zach: how does he know who anyone is? Like, who's who trusts him to give him information on plate details or Car Venn number details like th th they just gloss over it. They just show up at places and like, well yeah, these guys are really good at figuring out where he is. I'm like he took a justin: Mm. Zach: br Josh Brolin to the first motel, left the town that he's in, could have gone any direction. justin: Well. Zach: Drove to a motel in a taxi, telling him to take me to a random motel. Don't take me any like just like just take me anywhere. Don't even tell me where we're going. Cause I don't want justin: Yeah. Zach: to know because ever no one else can find me then. And yet justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: everyone finds him immediately. justin: Yeah. Zach: It's like no they don't. How how? justin: Yeah. Zach: In what way? It's never ever explained. It just says they just find people. justin: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So that's I I will piggyback on on your nitpick on and I'll expand upon it. My first one is okay, with Anton's character and even loosely, I don't even want to say loosely, but like they at least give reasonings as to how Anton found Llewellyn. So Zach: Mm-hmm. justin: Anton's string is he He gets the lic he gets the VIN number off his truck. Somehow he figures out it belongs to Llewellyn, so he goes to Llewellyn's trailer. From there he finds phone records. So he calls Llewellyn's mother-in-law. But like so he's trying he calls Llewellyn's mother in law and he's like, Are you expecting Llewellyn? And she's like, No, why would I be? So it's like he's checking that off, like, okay, well he's not going here. So he's probably going this like it's vague and it's rough, but at least they give like some level of explanation as to how Anton found him. Even if we have to chalk it up to maybe it's just like a you know, a one lane road. and there's like a couple of motels off this one lane and Anton just happened to drive by and the beeper started going off the tracker. Zach: Mm-hmm. justin: same thing with like the the cartel. I think the corporate dude mentioned that or somebody mentions that the the cartel also had a tracker that's convenient, but whatever. The one that does not make a lick of sense and is just frustrating in my opinion is Woody Harrelson's character. Because Zach: Yeah. justin: he is Woody Woody is clearly not working with Anton. So how would he have any of the information that Anton had to lead up to finding Llewellyn? How would Woody Harrelson even know that Llewellyn was involved? Who would have? Yeah. Zach: He beats he beats him there, right? Like justin: And and like, if if, miraculously, Woody made it to that second hotel shootout where Anton and Llewellyn went after each other, how the fuck would he know that Llewellyn went across the border to Mexico? And then went to a Mexican hospital, he would have no idea that he was shot or that he needed medical to it just but the most the like the f Zach: Or like the justin: the most frustrating part is he makes a comment to Llewellyn about how easy it was for him to find him. ha for Woody to find Llewellyn in this Mexican hospital. So if he can find you, Anton can find you anywhere. But he doesn't expand upon it. He doesn't tell him how he found him, there's no nothing. Yes. Zach: Just that it was easy, yeah. Well and it's like with the money, right? He's like, Well, I ditched you know, he tells him like the money's by the river and so he goes to the the Mexican border bridge and he's like, Well maybe he got up on this light post and threw it over. I'm like, Well w Like how does he find it so quickly? Like it just doesn't make any sense to me. justin: Yeah. How yeah. No No. And it's just I think it's the obviously these are these are all plot devices to keep everything moving forward. I get Zach: Mm-hmm. justin: it. But yeah, when you have Okay, I feel like when you take the steps to make this movie feel so engrossing, right? Like it throws you into this world from Tommy Lee's opening monologue to the fun, quirky interactions with the gas station attendants that feel like a real person interacting with these characters. But then you have this this just bullshit that doesn't make any sense. It kind of suspends your belief and you're like what that doesn't it doesn't work. How how w how would he find them? it just I don't know. That part is frustrating. Zach: Yeah. I agree. Yeah, I I just think yeah, there's like there are those like this these like connective things that if you don't think too hard about it and you're just feeling the vibe of the movie, you're like, okay, wow, this guy's like really good, he can al always find him. But it's like, well no, but like you can always find him just because any character can find him because he does. Like Josh justin: Yeah. Zach: Ballone goes out of his way to be random. justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: And w out of his w and like th I get it. There's the tracker, which is like also on my nitpicks, like does this tracker like exist in like nineteen eighty? Can they track him across Texas with this thing, like a like a a justin: Yeah. Yeah. Zach: Geiger counter and like a little thing in his purse, whatever it is, his briefcase, you know, whatever? Like justin: Mm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Zach: and like why does Josh Brolin not just take that little thing once he finds it and he's like, I should you know, I I I get it Anton's already there. justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: But like I would just take it with me and like put it in, you know, the back of a truck justin: Yeah. Zach: bed and like have it go off somewhere else, right? Like there's just things that I'm like Yeah. I when I thought hard about the logistics of the movie, which you're not supposed to, justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: I think it just it's like and like you want the the movies about the art. The logistics justin: Yeah. Zach: are like there's plenty of movies that do this that drive me crazy and maybe I'm just too like factual, like we talked about gravity, that movie like drives me fucking crazy. justin: Ha ha. Zach: But like even in movies I love like The Dark Knight, right? Like When Heath Ledger has pushes Rachel out the window and Batman jumps after him. Or not Heath Ledger, but the Joker pushes Rachel out the window and jump Batman jumps after him and catches her on the car, and he's like, You okay? And she's like, Wow, thank you for staffing. Whatever, you know, whatever, that moment. The Heath Ledger's still up in the party terrorizing. justin: Yeah. Zach: Right? Like, does he just be like, All right, I threw him out and just gonna leave? Like the movie glasses over it, right? justin: Yeah. Thanks for Yeah. Yeah. Zach: The Batman basically left a room, a party full of people under a hostage. It was like, well, took care of that scene, you know? Like it it's you know, they they do all these like movie tricks to keep things moving. But as soon as you start thinking justin: Mm. Zach: about it, you're like, well, how did they find him? What was the like what was the mechanic of that? Like what real mechanism did it? And it's just like nothing the but needed to happen. And we just hid it in and we hid it in a way through the vibes of the film. That it didn't matter. justin: Yeah. Yeah, the more that you start to think about things and trying to compare it to reality it just starts to get frustrating. 'Cause it doesn't make sense. And it's yeah, to your point it's it's just all it's based on the vibes and the logistics don't make any sense. Zach: All right. What else? Do you gotta eat such you had a couple more? justin: I only have one more. Zach: Okay. justin: and again, this is this is all subjective, but I really disliked Lou Allen's death scene. it Zach: interesting. Okay. justin: it feels quick, and if you're not paying attention, I think you might even feel like, what the fuck just happened? like i he is killed by the cartel. His wife's mother unknowingly tells the cartel, where they're going, i.e. where Llewellyn is going, or h where he's going to be. But like the entire movie we have Llewellyn going through I mean we're right there with him, right? We go through so many scenes of Llewellyn escaping death by the skin of his teeth, and we Zach: Uh-huh. justin: it's just this cat and mouse game that's brewing between Llewellyn and Anton, and then it's just like poof. Like he's fucking dead. And to make it worse, we don't even get to see it. From like you said, we see it from Tommy Lee Jones' perspective. He pulls up, he hears gunshots, and he sees the cartel zooming off, and then we just see Llewellyn dead in the doorway. Zach: Mm. justin: it just feels like we've spend so much time with his character. It felt kind of unfair that we didn't even get to see any kind of shootout any 'cause he clearly he Zach: Yeah, it's it's f it's very without yeah. It's very unceremonious. justin: He d yeah, he d he dies clearly trying to defend himself. He is he's in his motel, but I think there's like his shotgun is like right between his legs or something, like he's on the floor and his shotgun's right there. So it would seem that he at least had tr he tried to have an opportunity to fight for his life, but we don't Yeah. Zach: Yeah, there's a couple other dead people too around, right? So he's like he made his last stand. justin: Yeah, but we don't get to see any of it. And I know that it just boils down i it probably boils down to like you said, like the randomness of everything. And you know, like even though these are our main characters, like they're not safe and nothing matters, whatever, blah blah blah. But it just to me it feels like he is our hero, he is who we spend the most time with, and we don't even get to see how he dies. So but that's my nitpick. Zach: Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, I I I'm kinda the opposite to you. I kinda like that about it. Like I justin: Mm. Zach: like that it like punctuates the randomness of the world with like all right, we've invested all this time and like that the world doesn't care. You know? justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: With the right like so in some ways I liked I I liked that element of it. and then it really like hard pivots the focus of the movie to Tommy Lee Jones' character. Who I think sells justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: the end of the movie. But to your point, like one of my nitpicks was like the cartels, I guess, like follow his wife and mom leaving the I'm like, What how do the cartels know all this information? They're able to follow them to the b like that's like another justin: Yeah. Zach: logical leap that I'm like, okay. but justin: Like yeah, I think that whole scene where it's It's his mother in law and she's just being crotchety. And that the Mexican cartel dude comes up to her and he's like, Let me help you. Can I take your bags? And she's like, there's still one gentleman left in West Texas, or whatever she says. Like, if you did Zach: Mm-hmm. justin: not piece that together, and not saying that we need our hands held as audience members, but if you did not piece that together, that that is that was the cartel and that's how they found Llewellyn, I like I think the very first time I saw this movie, I was like, Like how what how did he die? What the fuck just happened? Because it just everything happened so quick. Hmm. Zach: Well and like I don't even know how the cartel knows where they're at. Like how the cartel knows who his wife is. justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: Right? How the cartel knows that his wife is with his mother, with her mother, where her mother is. Then they stake justin: Yeah. Zach: out the house and wait for their opportunity, and then they justin: like the Zach: tell them to the bus station slash airport or whatever they're going, and justin: Yeah. Zach: then they finally interact with them, and I'm like There's a lot of this this cartel is doing a lot of work that like I just don't know if they would do. I feel like they would just kidnap justin: Well and not to Zach: the mom and the wife and be like, I'm gonna kill them and come and bring me the money. justin: Mm-hmm. And like not to go down that frustrating rabbit hole again, but the only identifying factor that we have to knowing that Llewellyn is the person involved was that VIN number on his truck, which Anton has. So how did the cartel Zach: Yeah, which which Anton took. I guess it there's a license plate, but are the cartel have access to license plate identification? I I I don't know, maybe justin: Yeah. Zach: they do, but like justin: Yeah, it's just I don't know. There's yeah, I know you have we have to just like suspend our our belief here and just go with it, but yeah. Zach: Yeah, we gotta move on from this 'cause like the our our nitpick is the same. Like they're always doing these leaps to keep this the story moving forward. And they like justin: Mm. Zach: they brut they they yada yada it through a lot of this movie. justin: Mm. Yeah. Zach: all right. Let's move on. We've talked in like we've almost justin: Mm. Hmm. Zach: gotten like we're like, this movie sucks. They can't even We we ended instead of our nitpicks being fun, we're like, this movie doesn't make any sense You know justin: This movie suck. It is the worst movie I've ever seen. Zach: W I I get why someone would walk away from this movie being like the I hated the vibes of it. It you know what and I don't feel this way about this movie, but I think it was like I could see someone feeling simil similar to like uncut gents. You leave that movie justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: and you're like, Ugh c I I I left that movie and I was like I get why someone would think this is really good. Fucking hated it. I'm like I justin: Yeah. Zach: d so anxiety inducing and like just ugh. I feel gross the whole time. And justin: Yeah. Zach: I could see why someone would leave this movie feeling gross and be like, I hate this movie. But justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: I didn't feel that way necessarily. But justin: Yeah. Zach: so I get why people like this movie can be like, you know, you l you love it or you hate it kind of thing. justin: Yeah. Zach: so that that leads into like love it or hate it. Is this justin: Mm. Zach: a classic? How did you feel kind of this was your movie you put up you put up two movies and you already rated one of them not a classic for some reason? justin: Yeah. No, I I put the same I put this in the same category. I don't think I Zach: Ha ha ha. justin: I don't think I put this as a classic. Look, I pick these movies because one, there they're very entertaining aspects about both, but I think they cause really fun conversation. That's why I picked them. and also this one because you hadn't seen it yet. So I I don't know. I think this movie, like I come back to it from time to time. I don't know if it goes on like a a classics list. I don't even know if it goes on like my top twenty list. but I do think that this movie is really, really, really good at certain things. I think it is d incredibly acted, incredibly cast. I think it's really well written in a lot of spa in a lot of Zach: Mm-hmm. The dialogue is great. justin: Yeah. I mean I think it's I think another impressive aspect of it too is that this movie is almost twenty years old. And I think if you didn't know that, you wouldn't know that it was almost twenty years. Okay, this this fucking CGI deer in our Zach: Excuse me, those CGI deer screen two thousand seven. justin: in our ultra HD four t ten K Zach: Ha ha ha justin: TVs to where we could tell. But like I no I've like Zach: It's th for three seconds of the movie. Two seconds, right? justin: I think when you look at like the tension building, it's you look at like the the the violence and the you know, some of the scenes and everything that this movie does, I think it does incredibly well. And Zach: Yeah. justin: the main point the main the main thing is Anton. I think if you have never seen this movie, you have to see it just to see Anton for once in your life and just be fucking terrified. But yeah, I don't I don't know if it's a classic. I think it's really, really good in certain ways, but on the flip side I think it's also incredibly boring. It's a very slow burn. I don't I don't know. But it is I think it's a very, very good movie. I Zach: Yeah. justin: don't it's not a classic for me though. Zach: I would agree. It's not like you kinda stole like you alluded to like was like my punchline. So like I think this movie is like hot Fargo, right? It's just like justin: Hmm. Zach: hot Fargo in the desert in a lot of ways. But Fargo, the characters are more fun. justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: And so I enjoyed Fargo more than this movie. justin: Yeah. Zach: I think it's a really well made movie. I it I agree with you, like Everyone should see this movie. I don't think it's a classic per se. Like I think there's enough nitpicks and like we kind of just got into a rabbit hole at the end of this discussion that really took me out of the movie. But I think this is while maybe not a top 50 movie for me necessarily. Or I I don't know. Top 50 is so subjective, but like it's not a top movie for me. justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: I do think. Like this is one of the classic villain performances of all time. justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: Like this is like you're like, okay, best villains. Dark Vader, you know, Like Dr Dracula. Whatever. I don't know, right? Like like the Anton sh like justin: Yeah. Anton Segur. Zach: he's so good as the villain in this movie. He steals the movie when he's in his scenes. He's justin: Yeah. Zach: incredibly menacing. And like while not a classic movie, a classic performance that you have to see. So justin: Yeah. Zach: like I think this movie gets put like I think this movie gets put into the Oscars on the back of him. And maybe Tom Millie Jones' performance, I think, because the themes of the movie are really laid out through him and through his scenes and the interactions he has with, you know, his th that retired cop who's his family member or whatever, right? Like there's a lot that he is selling for the themes of this movie, but justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: just the performance of Javier Bardem is incredible, classic villain, top justin: Yeah. Zach: top like a top twenty villain probably of all time. justin: Yeah. Zach: Performance, you know. It's hard to compare him to Dark Vader. There's just like so different different types of characters, obviously. But you know, with Silence of the Land too, maybe that's a better comparison, like justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: like so I I think yeah. Maybe not a classic movie, but a classic villain that's worth watching. justin: There you go. I like it. We'll do a separate list for classic villains. And maybe classic heroes. We'll put Johnny Rico on there. He'll be our topic. Zach: I know, I was about to be like, and the bugs from Starship Troopers. I'm like, nah, that's stupid. That's too stupid. That's what got me like tongue-tied there for a minute. I was like, what was the villain in Starship Troopers? Dumb. The bugs. Carl and the third act of that movie. justin: The bugs. Mm. Yeah. No, I think it's Yeah. God fucking Carl. Yeah, I th I I think you hit the nail on the head. I think it is a I It's a wonderful movie for Anton. I think if you if any I think a separate note, any time you see clips about this movie, it's not of Tommy Lee Jones, it's not Josh Brolin. It is Anton. It's Anton. Every time. All of the Zach: No. Purely Anton. Yeah. Everytime. justin: memes, Anton. This he is synonymous with this movie. And yeah. Zach: No, if I'm flipping through the television and the gas station scene is on, I'm stopping to finish that five minutes. You know? Yeah. justin: Mm-hmm. Yep. Mm-hmm. Zach: I'm not necessarily stopping to hear the the Tommy Lee Jones' dream at the end of the movie, you know. justin: Yeah. It's weird dreams. Well there you go. There you have it. Zach: So there you go. All right. Well, that takes us to the end of our podcast. Everyone, thank you so much for listening. we have a Gmail account, so if you want to send us an email, give us movie recommendations, you know, complain about us, whatever, right? Complain about Justin's movie choices, that how they're not really classics. justin: Ha ha ha. Zach: I don't maybe we'll pivot hard pivot from like yeah, you know what the classic stuff. That was whatever. Who cares? We're just gonna do movies from the nineties and two thousands. But justin: There you go. Zach: no d don't worry, I got a fifty-two movie for my month. So nineteen fifty two. So yeah, don't worry, we'll get there. We'll justin: We'll take it back to the classics. Zach: get back there. but yeah, so please write us an email, we'd love to hear from you. we also have a YouTube channel, so check us out there. We put the podcast up there with some shorts. and as always, thank you guys so much for listening. And keep popping that popcorn.