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Teen Jessica Chambers burned alive, flammable liquid forced down her throat. Will there be justice? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: How does a nineteen year old girl, a beautiful, bubbly
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Speaker 1: cheerleader end up burned alive? You know, there are many
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Speaker 1: ways to die, and I believe I prosecuted every single
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Speaker 1: one of them. But to be burned alive? Crime Stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace, I mean, see Grace. This is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at Thoughts Nation
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Speaker 1: and series x M one eleven. Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: Lisa Chambers. Jessica had left home and went to the store,
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Speaker 1: come back about twelve thirty one o'clock. She got her
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Speaker 1: pajama pants and piled up in a chair in the
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Speaker 1: living room and went to sleep. Sometime between four forty
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Speaker 1: five and five fifteen, she got a phone call. I
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Speaker 1: text whichever one it was, I'm not sure. And then
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Speaker 1: she went out the door and said she'd be back
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Speaker 1: to clean up her room. She was going to get
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Speaker 1: her something to eat. I called her and she said,
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Speaker 1: I'll be home in a little while. Mama, But I
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Speaker 1: love you. I told her I loved her too. She said,
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Speaker 1: seeing a little bit, and that's the last I heard
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Speaker 1: from her. You could be talking about a twelve year
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Speaker 1: old daughter curled up in a favorite chair in her
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Speaker 1: pj's and gets a phone call on her cell. But Jessica,
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Speaker 1: nineteen years old, then leaves to go to seven to
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Speaker 1: eleven to pick up a snack, gets something to eat.
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Speaker 1: How does this bubbly and beautiful teen girl, a cheerleader
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Speaker 1: end up burned? Alive? With me an all star panel.
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Speaker 1: Former felony prosecutor now defense attorney Darryl Cohen joining me.
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Speaker 1: Steve Lampley, detective author of Outside Your Door at Stephen
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Speaker 1: Lampley dot com. Retired medical examiner for the State of Georgia.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Chris Sperry, who has been a witnessed in more
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Speaker 1: cases than I can count for the state and the
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Speaker 1: defense as well. A renowned psychiatrist joining us from the
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Speaker 1: Atlanta jurisdiction, Doctor Angela Arnold with us today, but first
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Speaker 1: WIATCBS forty two, Birmingham, Michael Clark. This is just a
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Speaker 1: nineteen year old girl. The mom says she was curled
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Speaker 1: up in pj's, got a phone call in and decide
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Speaker 1: to go out and get something to eat. Where was
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Speaker 1: she headed? According to her mother years ago, she wanted
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Speaker 1: to go to the Taco Belt in Date from Assippi
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Speaker 1: to get something to eat with some friends, and that
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Speaker 1: was the last correspondence that she had with her. It
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Speaker 1: was a normal thing for Jessica to want to leave
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Speaker 1: the house and running there and with friends, and she
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Speaker 1: didn't think anything of it. It was suppertime the local
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Speaker 1: Taco Bell. Okay, I am very big on nutrition, making
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Speaker 1: sure my children get the right amounts of fruits and veggies, organic,
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Speaker 1: the whole shebang. But my daughter has a weakness for
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Speaker 1: Taco Bell. She loves Taco Bell, and long story short,
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Speaker 1: she ends up dragging the whole family there because if
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Speaker 1: Lucy's not happy, nobody's happy. So the mom thinks Jessica's
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Speaker 1: heading out to the local Taco Bell. But that's not
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Speaker 1: at all what happens. Take a listen to this. I
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Speaker 1: got out and I got a blanket, and she had
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Speaker 1: her arms out, was coming towards me saying, help me,
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Speaker 1: help me help. What was the condition of Jessica Chambers.
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Speaker 1: Her hair was her hair was fried out like she
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Speaker 1: stuck in the light socket, and she had black all
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Speaker 1: over her face. Her body was severely burned and just
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Speaker 1: all the way down her body was it was very
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Speaker 1: badly burned. And I wrapped the blanket around her for
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Speaker 1: one to conceal her. I always knew that learned that,
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Speaker 1: you know, burned victims would be cold, and so that's why,
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Speaker 1: you know, I placed the blanket around her. So nineteen
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Speaker 1: year old Jessica leaves to go to Taco Bell and
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Speaker 1: then suddenly the fire chief shows up and Jessica it's
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Speaker 1: totally burned. And it strikes me that he says her
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Speaker 1: hair was quote fried, like she had been shocked. And
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Speaker 1: it makes me think of a movie that the twins
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Speaker 1: watch over and over and over. Actually their favorite Home Alone,
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Speaker 1: its Home Alone three and they are spies and one
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Speaker 1: gets electrokeyed from you know, a plug in, and his
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Speaker 1: hair sticks straight out. That's what he's talking about. I
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Speaker 1: thought that was just in the movies, but apparently it's
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Speaker 1: not just in the movies. I didn't know that was real.
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Speaker 1: Joining me, Doctor Chris Sperry, former Chief Medical Examiner for
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Speaker 1: the entire state of Georgia. Why would her hair be
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Speaker 1: sticking straight out like she had been shocked? Well, much
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Speaker 1: of it at that point had probably been was burned,
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Speaker 1: was burned away, you know, was burning from the ends
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Speaker 1: towards ends of the hairs, towards the scalp and the
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Speaker 1: the gases from the burning hair. I mean, it causes
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Speaker 1: every to separate. But really what I think the man
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Speaker 1: was describing was the effect of the hair burning away
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Speaker 1: from her scalp. What do you mean, Well, I mean
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Speaker 1: it's it's it's on fire, it's being considerated, and what
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Speaker 1: he's really seeing is what's left that still hasn't, you know,
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Speaker 1: completely become incinerated up next to the scalp. So that's
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Speaker 1: the flames or the heat will tend to separate the
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Speaker 1: hairs as well, but it's not the It's sort of
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Speaker 1: similar to the way you might conceive of hair standing
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Speaker 1: up in the electrical sort of thing, electrical shock that
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Speaker 1: you're you're describing or the people's think of. But at
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Speaker 1: the point where this man saw her, I would say,
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Speaker 1: much of her hair had already been inciderated and what
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Speaker 1: was left was in the process of burning but just
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Speaker 1: sticking out. Yeah. I tried a lot of arsons, which
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Speaker 1: is a real specialty Darryl Cohen, because with arsons, it's
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Speaker 1: a whole other mindset. You have to first prove is
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Speaker 1: a crime even occurred, because fires can be accidental for
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Speaker 1: any host of reasons. So you really have to work
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Speaker 1: on an arsen to show that there was even a crime.
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Speaker 1: But then you have to prove who, what, where, why
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Speaker 1: when to prove an arson case. But in all the
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Speaker 1: arsons I have ever handled, Daryl, I don't know if
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Speaker 1: you had an arson case because there are a few
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Speaker 1: and far between. Actually, I've never had a victim die
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Speaker 1: of burning. They typically die a smoke inhalation before they
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Speaker 1: can be burned to death. Darryl Cohen Well, dans less.
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Speaker 1: The arson was instant and aimed directly at the person
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Speaker 1: that they're trying to kill, throwing burning gasoline at a person,
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Speaker 1: dousing a person with gasoline kerosene, and then lighting it.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, I agree with you. Actually, you just reminded
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Speaker 1: me of something, Darryl. I did have a case where
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Speaker 1: the victims die of burning, and they were two babies
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Speaker 1: in their layette, and there was a gang warfare between
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Speaker 1: the sect queens, the girlfriends of the gangs, and one
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Speaker 1: of the gang members too I guess up whole the
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Speaker 1: honor of his girlfriend throws Zamolotov cocktail into the home
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Speaker 1: of another gang member and it ended up burning two
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Speaker 1: sleeping babies. A lot. Yes, I have had one. I
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Speaker 1: just remembered that one. Have you ever had a case,
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Speaker 1: Darryl where the victim was burned alive? No, I have not.
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Speaker 1: The only case I had was when a victim was
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Speaker 1: shot and then burned and we never knew if he
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Speaker 1: was burned first for shot first. It was almost instantaneous
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Speaker 1: crime stories with Nancy Grace. We pull it up he
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Speaker 1: Jessica was laid right here, and I remember the heat
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Speaker 1: coming off of the true We started rendering medical aide
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Speaker 1: for Jessica and remember looking down and she was laid
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Speaker 1: on her side and they had this old army blanket covering.
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Speaker 1: I don't think she had on was a pair of panties.
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Speaker 1: You've seen our land on that ground, a piece of
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Speaker 1: skin any time she breathed, go in and out or
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Speaker 1: noga and damn, thank you, okay. And that takes a lot.
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Speaker 1: Listen to what this volunteer fire person is saying. He
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Speaker 1: arrives at the scene with the volunteer fire department. He
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Speaker 1: sees by this time, Jessica is lying on the ground
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Speaker 1: covered in the blanket you heard about. She only had
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Speaker 1: on her underwear. I'm learning something right there. Why is
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Speaker 1: she still out an underwear where the rest of her
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Speaker 1: clothes where they burned off or had they already been
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Speaker 1: removed from her body before she caught fire. Her skin
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Speaker 1: looked blackened like charcoal. To doctor Chris Sperry, former Chief
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Speaker 1: Medical Examiner for the State of Georgia, Doctor Sperry, is
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Speaker 1: it true that burn victims feel cold? Yes, they do
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Speaker 1: because with extensive burning like this, the normal insulation that
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Speaker 1: the skin provides is lost, the hour layer of the
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Speaker 1: skins skin is lost, and the person because of the
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Speaker 1: horrendous nature of the burn, physiologically, they go into shock.
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Speaker 1: So blood is really pooling in the center of the
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Speaker 1: body around the hearts, especially as the organs, you know,
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Speaker 1: to keep us, that keep us alive. But the result
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Speaker 1: is that the extremities that the hands, the feed, the legs,
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Speaker 1: the arms will feel cold to the touch because the
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Speaker 1: blood flow is not has been diverted really to the
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Speaker 1: center of the body. That's that's what happens with someone
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Speaker 1: in shock. I'm just thinking about what this young girl,
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Speaker 1: this nineteen year old cheerleader, lived through burning alive. Listen
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Speaker 1: to more of the volunteer fireperson barnsts. We read in
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Speaker 1: some places maybe they're like somebody who's talk hold on.
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Speaker 1: She wasn't complaining about pain or yewver. She was shaking.
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Speaker 1: Somebody asked what she called her something, and I seemed
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Speaker 1: like she nodded her head, you know, she wouldn't really
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Speaker 1: talk to And then firefighter Brandy Davis was kind of
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Speaker 1: back over toward her feet and he said, well, hon,
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Speaker 1: wh who've done this to you? Kind of just looked up,
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Speaker 1: turned her head just a little bit and playing day.
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Speaker 1: He said, Eric did this. She can't called her last name,
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Speaker 1: you know, she just she said Eric did this. We
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Speaker 1: was all kind of stunned. I thought, whoever did this
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Speaker 1: and may still be out there seeing her the way
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Speaker 1: she was and then still alive. I don't wish this
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Speaker 1: on my worst end. And here is the Cortland County
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Speaker 1: Fire Chief, Cole Kelly the tone drop, and it was
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Speaker 1: for vehicle fire and what was expecting to be just
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Speaker 1: any normal vehicle fire. Get it extinguished and be back home,
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Speaker 1: you know, and we may sing. We saw the vehicles
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Speaker 1: fully involved, and we knows the young female. And when
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Speaker 1: we had something bigger on our hands, my guys they
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Speaker 1: started extinguishing fire, trying to preserve any evidence that might
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Speaker 1: have been left behind. And I started attending to the victim,
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Speaker 1: and she did speak with me, which I can't close
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Speaker 1: in that information at this time, but you know, she
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Speaker 1: she did talk with me. It's a small town. Everybody
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Speaker 1: knows everybody in the small town. But I know the
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Speaker 1: family real well, and I just I hate it happen,
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Speaker 1: you know. I steel sorry for family, and I feel
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Speaker 1: I know the family to listen to it. Being Chambers,
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Speaker 1: Jessica's dad tells me, do you remember the moment when
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Speaker 1: you heard your daughter was a fire victim? Oh? Yes, ma'am. Real,
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Speaker 1: Oh man, it's just like it was yesterday, you know
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Speaker 1: it was. I just didn't want to believe it at
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Speaker 1: first when they called me, you know, I thought, maybe
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Speaker 1: you know, she was just burnt, just a little bit,
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Speaker 1: you know, Uh didn't, uh right, didn't. I couldn't imagine
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Speaker 1: the scale it was, you know. And I asked Barry,
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Speaker 1: was she okay? And you know, and he got real
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Speaker 1: solid and uh he said, now, man, she she's not.
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Speaker 1: And he asked, when my whole world fail? You know,
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Speaker 1: where were you, mister Chambers when you learned I would
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Speaker 1: just come home from Memphis. If we had been Christmas
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Speaker 1: shopping or whatever that day, we hadn't been home maybe
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Speaker 1: ten minutes more, not when he called and what did
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Speaker 1: you do? Ah? He told me he wouldn't tell me
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Speaker 1: he's actually where it was at. Do you want me
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Speaker 1: to stay there at the house and to share in him?
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Speaker 1: Come to my house? And about five minutes they was
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Speaker 1: at the house and he told me, you know how
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Speaker 1: bad she was burnt? And they were flying er to Memphis.
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Speaker 1: He were hearing Jessica's dad talking to me. To doctor Angela,
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Speaker 1: Arnold renounced psychiatrists joining us today, Doctor Arnold, thank you
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Speaker 1: so much for being with us. You know, I've dealt
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Speaker 1: with so many murder of victims, tangential victims of murder,
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Speaker 1: and uniformly they remember and it's a defining moment in
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Speaker 1: their life when they learned their loved one has been
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Speaker 1: murdered or is dead. They never forget it, Doctor Angela,
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Speaker 1: How could you forget it? It's it's so shocking. This
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Speaker 1: is not something that anyone goes through in their regular life.
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Speaker 1: So I'm sure they have some sort of post traumatic
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Speaker 1: stress disorder that arises from us, wouldn't you think, Nancy, Well,
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Speaker 1: doctor Angela, I remember when my dad passed away and
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Speaker 1: when my fiance was murdered a lot of things are
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Speaker 1: a blur I have when I've been asked questions about
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Speaker 1: certain aspects. I don't have an answer. But how can
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Speaker 1: you blur or block out other things? But that moment
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Speaker 1: is something you always remember, that's just feared in your well.
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Speaker 1: Like I said to Nancy, it's not something that's it's
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Speaker 1: not something that typically people go through. And I think,
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Speaker 1: I think it just ignites in our brains something and
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Speaker 1: it does cause a post traumatic stress reaction because it
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Speaker 1: is so unlike likely, it's not a normal thing to experience.
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Speaker 1: I can't even who could experience their fiance being murdered.
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Speaker 1: I imagine to this day, you remember how you feel
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Speaker 1: about that? Don't you how you feel? I'm feeling it
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Speaker 1: inside right now even talking about it. I hate even
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Speaker 1: talking about it. Take a listen to more of what
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Speaker 1: Jessica's dad tells me. When we're standing out in the yard,
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Speaker 1: the helicopter come over to pick her up, and so
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Speaker 1: I took off to Memphis. We'd beat the helicopter to Memphis,
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Speaker 1: which is only about fifty something miles from my house.
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Speaker 1: Beat we beat the helicopter there, you know. And let
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Speaker 1: me ask you something I just went through that flying
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Speaker 1: driving as fast as I could to get to my
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Speaker 1: father before he passed away. What do you remember about
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Speaker 1: that drive to try to get to your daughter. It
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Speaker 1: was just, you know, I was just steady three in
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Speaker 1: the yard. It should be okay, you know, and what
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Speaker 1: you know, just begging her, you know, just to not
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Speaker 1: take her, you know, because I just I just lost
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Speaker 1: my son a year before she got killed, you know,
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Speaker 1: dot car and just you know, my whole world shut down.
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Speaker 1: You know, guys, we are talking about the murder by
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Speaker 1: fire of a teen girl cheerleader. He just goes to
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Speaker 1: adult taco at Taco Belle for a snack, and next
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Speaker 1: thing you know, she is burned alive. Listen to what
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Speaker 1: her father, Ben tells me. I mean, just hearing you talk.
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Speaker 1: I remember that that crazy attempt to get there before
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Speaker 1: he passed away. When you got there, when you got
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Speaker 1: to the hospital, what happened. Well, when I got to
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Speaker 1: the hospital, of I didn't even know park my vehicle.
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Speaker 1: You got to, you know, pay to get in the park.
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Speaker 1: I just parked in the middle of the street. He
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Speaker 1: took off running in the hospital or whatever. And of
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Speaker 1: course when I got in there and didn't nobody know
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Speaker 1: nothing about it or anything. You got to get a badge.
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Speaker 1: And then finally I asked, I said, just where's the
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Speaker 1: Burn Center or whatever? Where it's the part of the
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Speaker 1: Burn Center, And you know, they said, well as upstairs
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Speaker 1: down the hallway. And I just took off running, you know.
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Speaker 1: And a matter of fact, I went in places I
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Speaker 1: wasn't supposed to be, you know, uh, trying to find her.
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Speaker 1: And they didn't even know nothing about it. And of
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Speaker 1: course then they started calling around and they said, well,
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Speaker 1: wait a minute, the helicopters landing right now, you know,
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Speaker 1: and uh, and we had to wait, wait, wait, and
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Speaker 1: I wait on the doctors, and it seemed like it
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Speaker 1: was an eternity, you know. And I did where the doctor.
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Speaker 1: The doctor to come out good. He couldn't do nothing
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Speaker 1: for you know, he was too bad. Time Stories with
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace to Michael Clark wi A t CBS forty two, Birmingham.
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Speaker 1: Where did the incident take place? As it relates to
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Speaker 1: the hospital. She had to be airlifted to a Memphis hospital.
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Speaker 1: The incident actually took place, like Ben said, about fifty
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Speaker 1: miles south of the city of Memphis, in a small
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Speaker 1: town of Courtland, and it required quite a transport to
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Speaker 1: get her to Memphis to find a place for the
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Speaker 1: helicopter to land. The light flight her up there, so
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Speaker 1: for the Chambers family to beat the helicopter, there was
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Speaker 1: quite a bit of distance for both of those groups
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Speaker 1: to have to travel to get to the hospital. What
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Speaker 1: happened to Jessica, now, that's the question. Listen to her
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Speaker 1: dad with the doctor totals in Memphis or whatever that
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Speaker 1: you know they had squared stuff in her mouth. That's
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Speaker 1: because you weren't so bad and so far deep down.
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Speaker 1: District Attorney John Champion has confirmed that some kind of
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Speaker 1: flammable liquid was used in the fiery killing of Jessica Chambers.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's bad. It's just no way around it.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I've been doing this twenty one years now,
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Speaker 1: and as far as the manner of death is certainly
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Speaker 1: one of the worst I've ever dealt with. Nobody has
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Speaker 1: been arrested. Investigators have interviewed many people. The investigation is
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Speaker 1: complicated because the sight of the murder is on a
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Speaker 1: desolate road. Investigators may have caught a break. Jessica was
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Speaker 1: captured on this camera at a gas station late Saturday.
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Speaker 1: They also have phone evidence. I don't know they I
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Speaker 1: know they went and got all our records and everything.
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Speaker 1: You know. They won't tell me really nothing right now,
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Speaker 1: you know, but I know they they got some good
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Speaker 1: leagues and everything else. All I know. I know they're
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Speaker 1: working hard. Ben Chambers says that he's getting calls of
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Speaker 1: support from all around the country. Like Saturday night, they
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Speaker 1: all go light a candle from my door. You're hearing
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Speaker 1: Fox Knees reporter speaking too, our friend Ben Chambers, Jessica's dad.
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Speaker 1: So we're learning based on what the dad believes, what
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Speaker 1: he's told at the hospital. Someone actually squirts a flammable
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Speaker 1: accelerant down her mouth. I want to go now to
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Speaker 1: our guest joining us. A reporter with w I at
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Speaker 1: CBS forty two Birmingham, Michael Clark. Michael tell me about
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Speaker 1: the site of the murder that Ben's talking about, that
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Speaker 1: it is so desolate. I understand the site. She was
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Speaker 1: the first started in her car. The site itself is
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Speaker 1: not very far from Jessica Chambers Halt. It literally is
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Speaker 1: just a couple of miles down the road you turn
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Speaker 1: off of the main highway there in the small town
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Speaker 1: of Courtland, and it's a very small, secluded neighborhood to
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Speaker 1: go over some train tracks and then all of a sudden,
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Speaker 1: you're just in the middle of this tree farm and
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Speaker 1: there's a gate that leads to private property where the
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Speaker 1: tree farm is beyond that gate, and right in that
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Speaker 1: location is where first responders found Jessica's car on fire
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Speaker 1: and her struggling to stay alive. Now, tell me how
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Speaker 1: were authorities alerted to the fire if it was in
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Speaker 1: such a remote area a tree farm, how was it spotted?
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Speaker 1: It was reported that a neighbor in that area. Like
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Speaker 1: I said, it was a very small neighborhood, so kind
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Speaker 1: of one of those situations where you know, everybody's looking
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Speaker 1: out for each other, and uh, you know, when anything
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Speaker 1: the myths, you know, they are concerned. Kind of a
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Speaker 1: neighborhood watch, if you will. And someone called this in
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Speaker 1: to the sheriff's office, and from my reporting, it was
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Speaker 1: my understanding that the reporting party actually knew an employee
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Speaker 1: at the sheriff's office and called that employee directly when
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Speaker 1: they saw a fire. When they saw a fire. Yes, Now,
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Speaker 1: is it true that a driver or someone along the
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Speaker 1: road saw Jessica walking on fire. It was reported from
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Speaker 1: the first responders that they came across Jessica walking on fire.
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Speaker 1: I believe that the firefighter, the chief that you heard
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Speaker 1: from earlier in your broadcast, did come across Jessica walking
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Speaker 1: on fire along that secluded road. So how can that be?
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Speaker 1: To doctor Chris Sperry, former chief medical Examiner for the
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Speaker 1: entire state utter Sperry, she was burned to that extent,
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Speaker 1: how could she be up walking around? Well, actually, that's
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Speaker 1: pretty standard in people who are severely burned would get
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Speaker 1: able to get out of the location where the fire is.
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Speaker 1: I've seen that myself. Actually, I was a doctor in
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Speaker 1: the Indian Health Service in the late seventies and we
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Speaker 1: actually had a case where a man poured gasoline over himself,
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Speaker 1: set himself on fire, rolled around to his house and
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Speaker 1: called for the ambulance and when he got to the hospital,
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Speaker 1: the only thing that wasn't the third degree bird were
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Speaker 1: the bottoms of his feet. So as long as they're
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Speaker 1: able to get away from the source of the fire
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Speaker 1: and also not inhale superheated burning gases, which will you know,
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Speaker 1: that will incapacitate someone very rapidly, But otherwise they could
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Speaker 1: walk quite always on their own until shock develops. And uh,
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Speaker 1: you know, also they will start to stiffen up, you know,
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Speaker 1: the skin, the burnt skin will start to get very
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Speaker 1: stiff within about thirty minutes or so. But it's really
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Speaker 1: remarkable that this can happen. Yeah, since your organs are
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Speaker 1: still working, like your heart, your stomach, your lever, all
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Speaker 1: your internal organs, your brain still working. Why is it
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Speaker 1: that when your skin as burning sheet was burned over
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Speaker 1: ninety percent of her body. Why do you die, doctor Sperry.
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Speaker 1: You die from the fact that your skin protects your
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Speaker 1: in the inerts protects your body from the outside world.
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Speaker 1: And when the skin is the outer layers of the
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Speaker 1: skin are burned like this, um, you actually start to
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Speaker 1: lose fluid dramatically through the burned skin. The insulating character
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Speaker 1: of the skin that keeps our body temperature normal, that
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Speaker 1: is lost. And then finally it is it's just a
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Speaker 1: severe traumatic injury to the involves eventually the whole entire body,
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Speaker 1: and most patients like this, if they're a burden center
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Speaker 1: and kept alive long enough, infection is astounding. You know,
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Speaker 1: that usually is what will cause the death because the
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Speaker 1: skin keeps the bugs away. From our inside body, and
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Speaker 1: once the skin is damaged like this, bacteria will take
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Speaker 1: advantage very rapidly. What happened to a teen girl, Jessica Chambers?
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Speaker 1: She heads out just to go to Taco bell and
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Speaker 1: ends up burned over ninety two percent of her body,
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Speaker 1: wearing nothing but her underwear, walking along the side of
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Speaker 1: the road trying to get help. You heard her father,
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Speaker 1: A Ben Chambers tell me, and looks that someone had
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Speaker 1: squirted acceller down her mouth. When first responders get there,
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Speaker 1: it sounds like she's saying Eric, but with the inside
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Speaker 1: of her mouth totally burnt black. As a matter of fact,
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Speaker 1: the inside of her mouth and throat. Who knows what
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Speaker 1: she's really saying. But then phone records emerge joining me
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Speaker 1: right now. Steve Lampley, detective and author of Outside Your Door,
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Speaker 1: explain to me how phones are triangulated. Well, I see
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Speaker 1: what happens is you have different cell towers throughout the country.
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Speaker 1: There's an immense system of cell phone towers, and when
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Speaker 1: a signal is sent from a cell phone, it teems
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Speaker 1: off a triangulation of the closest three towers, so that
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Speaker 1: gives them you usually a location within three I think
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Speaker 1: three feet Actually you go yard of where that cellphone
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Speaker 1: peined front. So not only do police use triangulation maths
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Speaker 1: to pinpoint where you are where you've been in the
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Speaker 1: last however many days or hours or minutes. They want
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Speaker 1: to look back back timing from your death location. They
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Speaker 1: can also see who's calling you, who you are texting,
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Speaker 1: and vice versa. Yes, and you know, I guess criminals
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Speaker 1: just don't get it crime stories with Nancy Grace. Cell
27:32
Speaker 1: phone records don't lie, and you can physically get rid
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Speaker 1: of your cell phone, but those records live in the
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Speaker 1: cloud forever. Take a listen to the Department of Justice
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Speaker 1: intelligence analyst Paul Roulette. That brings us back to one
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Speaker 1: of the first people that was talked to four days
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Speaker 1: after her death. Yes, and one of the last people
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Speaker 1: she was in contact with. Yes, and who was that?
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Speaker 1: It was Quentin Tells. And you earlier you had looked
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Speaker 1: at some tolls from Quentin Tells's phone. Had have you
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Speaker 1: looked at a dog that was retrieved from Quinton tellsas
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Speaker 1: fold I did. We new originally analyzed Quentin tell Us.
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Speaker 1: Did you have that information? I didn't, And so you know,
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Speaker 1: again we had taken that piece of puzzle, moved it
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Speaker 1: toward the edge of the table and moved on to
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Speaker 1: other things. But between the dates he was interviewed and
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Speaker 1: that October twenty fifteen meeting, at some point in there,
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Speaker 1: we had received that location data back. So you when
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Speaker 1: you started going through back through all the original contacts, Yes,
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Speaker 1: did you have another piece of informational? Quinton tells, I did.
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Speaker 1: I had his location data on his phone. And did
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Speaker 1: you analyze the location Datald Quentin tellsas fold, I did,
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Speaker 1: And this leads you to contact investigators it did you know?
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Speaker 1: I don't know if you heard it the trial. We
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Speaker 1: always refer this back to the awe moment in the case,
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Speaker 1: but it did. And when I saw what I saw
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Speaker 1: on his location data, it led me to and I
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Speaker 1: think I was doing that at a very late at night.
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Speaker 1: I contacted the five members of the team and told
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Speaker 1: you all that I needed immediately in my office the
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Speaker 1: next morning. Can you imagine that moment when this DJ
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Speaker 1: Department of Justice intelligence analyst Paul Roulette is just digging
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Speaker 1: through what they call a dump, a data dump. It's
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Speaker 1: what it is like, pages and pages and pages more
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Speaker 1: than you'd ever need about cell phone usage and patterns
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Speaker 1: and locations, and it's in the middle of the night
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Speaker 1: and he gets what he calls an AHA moment and
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Speaker 1: calls the team says, you'd be here in the morning.
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Speaker 1: I got something straight out to our friends joining us.
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Speaker 1: Michael Clark wi a t CBS forty two. Who is
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Speaker 1: Quentin tell Us and what was the AHA moment? Well,
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Speaker 1: Quentin tell Us is a local from the Courtland community
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Speaker 1: where Jessica grew up and spent her time. They were friends,
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Speaker 1: they hung out several times together, they knew each other,
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Speaker 1: and the AHA moments that you speak of seems to
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Speaker 1: be the time that they have put the pieces of
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Speaker 1: the puzzle together with that data dump that you just
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Speaker 1: reference to know that they did have contact very close
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Speaker 1: to the time that she was found burned them to
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Speaker 1: know that there certainly was contact between those two individuals,
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Speaker 1: very very close to the time that this crime was committed.
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Speaker 1: And true, it's leading him right up to the time
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Speaker 1: of the murder and a horrible, horrible death by burning.
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Speaker 1: But that's not enough, So you got to have more
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Speaker 1: than that. But what about the content of the text messages.
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Speaker 1: Isn't it true that he repeatedly was pestering her for sex,
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Speaker 1: and she at the time was saying no, no, no no.
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Speaker 1: Does that mean anything to you, Daryl Cohen, means a
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Speaker 1: lot to be It means that he's spurned. It means
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Speaker 1: that he is mad. It means don't get mad, get even,
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Speaker 1: and when his get even, what happened nothing good? This
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Speaker 1: it means a lot to be, Nancy. It tells me
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Speaker 1: there's a motive, and there's this, and then there is
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Speaker 1: what he did. Michael Clarke Wi A T CBS forty two, Birmingham.
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Speaker 1: There are women all over that would probably love to
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Speaker 1: date Quinton tell us. Apparently he's very charismatic. But the
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Speaker 1: fact that he's pestering her for sex, she's saying no, no, no,
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Speaker 1: They're going back and forth, and then she has found
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Speaker 1: burned alive, wearing nothing but her underwear, and he is
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Speaker 1: texting her up until the point of the fire. That
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Speaker 1: suggests to me, with a lot of circumstantial evidence, that
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Speaker 1: he attacked her for sex and ends up killing her
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Speaker 1: by fire. And that certainly is what the theory and
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Speaker 1: the thought behind that is that he has been chasing
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Speaker 1: her for such a long period of time and had
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Speaker 1: desire for her and the spurning of advances culminated with
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Speaker 1: the opportunity that presented itself up on that horrible night
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Speaker 1: and in the tragic outcome that we're talking about here today.
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Speaker 1: But it has been clear that from the text messages
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Speaker 1: and the eventually came out in court, that he did
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Speaker 1: pursue Jessica Chambers unsuccessfully for quite some time. I don't
32:17
Speaker 1: get it, doctor Angela Arnold, You're the shrink. I'm just
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Speaker 1: a JD. You're the MD. With all the people out there,
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Speaker 1: why do you have to focus on the one person
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Speaker 1: that says no, I don't want you, No, go away,
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Speaker 1: don't touch me. Why? Why does it have to be
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Speaker 1: that one? I always wondering this about I think I
32:36
Speaker 1: wondered about men, but I guess it applies to women too.
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Speaker 1: When you have a happy home, why do you want
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Speaker 1: somebody else? Why? I think that that's very hard to understand,
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Speaker 1: for anybody to understand. I deal with that a lot
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Speaker 1: in my practice, and I deal with it an awful lot.
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Speaker 1: And you can't, you can't even talk sense into people.
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Speaker 1: I'd certainly like to know more about this this guy
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Speaker 1: and their relationship, But if it's you know, some people
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Speaker 1: also are very excited by the actual chase, aren't they,
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Speaker 1: And that sounds like it may have crossed a line. Oh,
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Speaker 1: doctor Angela, I don't know what I was in. I
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Speaker 1: don't know what I was thinking you were going to
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Speaker 1: say to me, But you're right, when somebody gets that
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Speaker 1: in their head, you can't talk them out of it.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to ATF agent Scott Meadows. Initially his
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Speaker 1: story at the beginning of November two was what he
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Speaker 1: told the agents previously when writing around Big Mike saw
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Speaker 1: Jessica through some money, So that part massed that November
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Speaker 1: second testimony matched what he had previously told law enforcement,
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Speaker 1: So he himself confirmed what the agents had written in
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Speaker 1: their reports. Accurate. Yes, they're very accurate. And in this
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Speaker 1: particular case, do you believe that Quinton was being deceptive purposely?
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Speaker 1: I do, indeed, yes, sir, and end. Would Quinton change
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Speaker 1: the deception that he was putting on y'all in the
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Speaker 1: videos one confronted with the evidence and once you confronted
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Speaker 1: him with the evidence, did he agree with what you
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Speaker 1: confronted him with? His story changed to match what he
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Speaker 1: was just shown. And through the years of dealing with interviews,
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Speaker 1: do people have a reason to lie, are being deceptive?
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Speaker 1: They do? And what would would that reason be? So
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Speaker 1: tell Us a story changes repeatedly, but believe it or not,
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Speaker 1: after two jury trials, it ends in a mistrial. To
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Speaker 1: Michael Clark wi at CBS, where does the case stand now? Well,
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Speaker 1: the district attorney for that area, John Champion, has not
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Speaker 1: publicly released plans to try mister tell Us a third time.
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Speaker 1: Mister tell Us is also a suspect in an entirely
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Speaker 1: different case out of a different state that resulted in
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Speaker 1: the murder murder in New Orleans of a young exchange student,
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Speaker 1: a female correct that's correct, found with found in disturbing
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Speaker 1: conditions in an apartment, and mister Tellis was found guilty
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Speaker 1: certainly putting perfume on the page, was found guilty of
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Speaker 1: using that deceased woman's credit card at an area store.
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Speaker 1: Michael Clark wi at CBS forty two. That's not the
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Speaker 1: answer I wanted, but that's the answer I got, and
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Speaker 1: that's the truth. The murder of Jessica Chamber still goes unavenged.
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Speaker 1: We wait as justice God willing. Unfoalds Nancy Grace Crime
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Speaker 1: Story signing off, Goodbye friend,