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Interview Only w/ Reese Gorman & Kate Nocera - Capitol Hill Is A MESS & The Vibes Are LOW · The Chuck ToddCast

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  Speaker 1: by storm.
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  Speaker 2: It's called Notice.
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  Speaker 1: It is News of the United States, the otis PTISCTUS,
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  Speaker 1: all of those fun little acronyms that we Washingtonians love
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  Speaker 1: to use and abuse, but Notice has become It is
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  Speaker 1: the original. One of the original founders of Politico, Robert
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  Speaker 1: Albritton is basically is the is the godfather of Notice.
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  Speaker 1: It is a nonprofit that's in some ways they are
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  Speaker 1: becoming the Washington Bureau for independent local news. In some
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  Speaker 1: ways they're the independent Washington bureau that exists today. And
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  Speaker 1: I'll just put it in these terms. In Washington every morning,
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  Speaker 1: I now care about four email alerts that I have
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  Speaker 1: to read before I read anything else. Washington Post, Punch Bowl, Politico,
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  Speaker 1: and I put Notice in that category. They have been
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  Speaker 1: scoop machines on Capitol Hill because that's the point they've
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  Speaker 1: been going to where the best news, the easiest place
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  Speaker 1: to find news if you just work a little bit
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  Speaker 1: Capitol Hill. In joining me now or two of the
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  Speaker 1: one is the managing editor, Kate Nissara and one of
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  Speaker 1: their great reporters, Res Gorman, who just started a podcast
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  Speaker 1: for Notice.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to both of you. Thank you, appreciate, appreciate you
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  Speaker 2: coming on.
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  Speaker 3: Kate.
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  Speaker 2: Before we get into sort of.
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  Speaker 1: The world that we're all in the middle of covering
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  Speaker 1: right now and what we're watching, and I will time
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  Speaker 1: stamp this. We're taping Tuesday afternoon here on December second,
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  Speaker 1: So if you it might be a few things out
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  Speaker 1: of date, but why don't you add to what I
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  Speaker 1: didn't include you in the description of Notice and in
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  Speaker 1: the origin story, in your origin story of how you
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  Speaker 1: got there?
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  Speaker 4: Sure, as you said, Notice is a non partisan newsroom
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  Speaker 4: in Washington, d C. We cover power and politics. A
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  Speaker 4: lot of our focus of our coverage is on the Hill,
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  Speaker 4: but we also cover agencies, the White House policy uh
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  Speaker 4: and we our model is we have early career journalists,
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  Speaker 4: work with more veteran journalists like myself and bring them
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  Speaker 4: through you know, a two year fellowship over at the
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  Speaker 4: All Britton Journalism Institute. That's our nonprofit side work with them.
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  Speaker 4: They get, you know, full newsroom experience, They focus on
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  Speaker 4: state delegations, they focus on different beats. They really get
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  Speaker 4: like the full education of what it is to be
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  Speaker 4: a Washington See a reporter. It's super inspiring, wonderful to
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  Speaker 4: work in a place where people you know, really want
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  Speaker 4: to do this job and want to do this great work.
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  Speaker 4: And at the same time, like we break news. You know,
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  Speaker 4: we have reporters like Reece who are on Capital Hills
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  Speaker 4: breaking news and teaching these folks how to do it.
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  Speaker 4: And it's awesome just to bring everybody together and like
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  Speaker 4: towards the school year old now you know, making Washington.
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  Speaker 4: We are entering our third year.
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  Speaker 1: This is your third year. My my, my, apologies. It
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  Speaker 1: feels still feels new to Washington. Still feel new.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yes, yes, I still feel I still feel
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  Speaker 4: new new to notice. But I think that's like the
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  Speaker 4: exciting part of being at a startup, being at something new,
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  Speaker 4: is that it does feel new and fresh. I do
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  Speaker 4: think that. Like, really, in the last year, we have
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  Speaker 4: established ourselves as you know, a go to place for
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  Speaker 4: people to get their news and very reliable.
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  Speaker 1: You use you went out of your way to use
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  Speaker 1: the word don partisan. How how do you you know
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  Speaker 1: other than saying it a million times?
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  Speaker 2: Right? Give me how how do you?
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  Speaker 1: I go back in the movie Tommy Boy, there's this
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  Speaker 1: guy says, I want to guarantee on the box right,
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  Speaker 1: and he says I like it saying guarantee right. We
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  Speaker 1: all want to say nonpartisan?
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  Speaker 2: What does it mean?
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  Speaker 1: And how do you execute a policy that guarantees that
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  Speaker 1: this is nonpartisan?
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  Speaker 4: I don't think it means like not pulling your punches
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  Speaker 4: right or making sure that you just be you know,
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  Speaker 4: one person says the sky is blue, and so the
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  Speaker 4: other person has to say the sky is black. It
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  Speaker 4: doesn't mean that. I think it means that we're going
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  Speaker 4: to tell the stories that are interesting to our readers,
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  Speaker 4: and we don't really care if they're about Republicans or Democrats.
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  Speaker 4: We're going to break big news about about all the
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  Speaker 4: characters in DC. And what non partisan means to me
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  Speaker 4: is going after the stories that our audience wants, that
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  Speaker 4: our audience needs, like what serves them best. And so
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  Speaker 4: to me, that is not some sort of middling or
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  Speaker 4: mealy mouthed way of saying like, yes, we need to
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  Speaker 4: show both sides. We obviously go and ask for comment
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  Speaker 4: from both sides. But I think that it is about
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  Speaker 4: making sure that we go where the story is.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I used to say about the phrase fair and balance.
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  Speaker 1: Balance is the code word there. It's called fairness. If
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  Speaker 1: you're fair, you can't balance the truth. Just like you're saying,
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  Speaker 1: it's like, sometimes there's both sides to an argument, sometimes
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  Speaker 1: there's not.
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  Speaker 2: You're just seeking the truth. So it is what it is.
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  Speaker 1: One other uh, one other thing you've mentioned is your audience?
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  Speaker 1: Who do you believe is your who? Who do you
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  Speaker 1: imagine is your audience?
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 1: Like we all you know, there's the audience that you have,
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  Speaker 1: the audience that you want, So tell me the audience
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  Speaker 1: that you want. And who you think your your sort
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  Speaker 1: of median reader is.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think our Menian reader is a
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  Speaker 4: pretty knowledgeable Washington you know, someone who who is a
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  Speaker 4: policy maker. We definitely want to talk to the people
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  Speaker 4: who are looking at laws making laws. But then that
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  Speaker 4: ring sort of expands outwards. We also something we have
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  Speaker 4: at Notices called the Washington Bureau Initiative, where the fellows
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  Speaker 4: from the A. J. I side who are reporters notice
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  Speaker 4: cover state delegations. I think probably as you know, a
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  Speaker 4: lot of state delegation coverage has really gone by the wayside,
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  Speaker 4: and so it's yeah, yeah, yeah, it's gone right, Like
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  Speaker 4: probably like the New York Post has as a reporter
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  Speaker 4: in DC, but they're they're covering the delegations. So having
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  Speaker 4: eyes and ears on lawmakers, see uh. And we partner
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  Speaker 4: with local outlets in a number of different states and
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  Speaker 4: are able to provide them coverage. So there's that circle
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  Speaker 4: and then the circle of you know, sort of expands
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  Speaker 4: outwards from there, right.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, I think about you know, when you
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  Speaker 1: were talking about its early entry journalists. You know where
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  Speaker 1: I got my start was at the Hotline, and that's
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  Speaker 1: basically was our pitch. You know, we were there, We
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  Speaker 1: want to be your first job, your first real job
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  Speaker 1: out of journalism, your first real job as you get
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  Speaker 1: ready to understand Washington. And there were other entities out
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  Speaker 1: there that were sort of similar, but in this way
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  Speaker 1: similar financial lifestyles, meaning you didn't make very much money.
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  Speaker 1: It was there was something called State's News Service. You'd
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  Speaker 1: have things called like Medill's News Service, which was you know,
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  Speaker 1: in a few other journalism schools that tried to do
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  Speaker 1: the same thing you're doing with your institute, which is,
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  Speaker 1: can you kind of be a Washington bureau for news
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  Speaker 1: organizations that don't have one? Like I remember a friend
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  Speaker 1: of mine at the Hotline got to be the Washington
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  Speaker 1: bureau for the Dover Delaware, the Delaware State News, which
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  Speaker 1: meant he got to sit down and interview their senior
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  Speaker 1: senator at the time, a guy named Joe Biden. And
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  Speaker 1: it was like, because there was no other person to
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  Speaker 1: talk to if you wanted to talk to the state's
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  Speaker 1: largest newspaper. Are you guys alone in this space now?
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  Speaker 1: Or State's News still around you see this? Are you
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  Speaker 1: guys suddenly the only only shop in town that is
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  Speaker 1: sort of turning into this incubator for young journalists political journalists.
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  Speaker 4: I wouldn't go as far as says that we're the
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  Speaker 4: only shop in town. I think we're probably the best
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  Speaker 4: shop in town personally, but you know, certainly, I think
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  Speaker 4: one of the more intensive programs for the fellows that
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  Speaker 4: come in through here and they have, you know, a
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  Speaker 4: very long, intensive boot camp when they first arrive, but
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  Speaker 4: then every day is really a boot camp working in
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  Speaker 4: a newsroom. I know when I started on Capitol Hill,
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  Speaker 4: I was just kind of like dropped into it and
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  Speaker 4: it was like figure it out, and there is a
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  Speaker 4: method to that madness, right like sink or swim? Can
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  Speaker 4: you do it? I do think like journalists, you know,
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  Speaker 4: learn how to figure it out. But like I didn't
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  Speaker 4: know where the food was on the hill for a
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  Speaker 4: really long time. I was just walking around hungry.
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  Speaker 5: All day bathrooms, right Like I always say this, like
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  Speaker 5: that's how you you know, you know, over time you
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  Speaker 5: figure out, Yeah, you know what, the second floor in
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  Speaker 5: Rayburn has a bathroom that's you know, actually kind.
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  Speaker 2: Of clean, and you know, don't you know if you
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  Speaker 2: get over.
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  Speaker 1: Here, but that takes time. I mean, I know that's silly,
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  Speaker 1: but it's not silly, you know.
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  Speaker 2: It's the way you do your job.
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  Speaker 4: Ment Like mentorship, real mentorship between reporters like Reese or Riley,
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  Speaker 4: Roderterson or the you know, the people that really do
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  Speaker 4: this day in and day out, where where the younger
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  Speaker 4: fellows can come and learn from them directly and learn
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  Speaker 4: from the editors directly, Like that is not built into
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  Speaker 4: most newsrooms that I have ever seen. We like to
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  Speaker 4: call it like a teaching hospital model, where we are
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  Speaker 4: you know, we're here, we're doing really important work, and
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  Speaker 4: the residents come in and learn from us, but they
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  Speaker 4: are also really doing the work. I mean, some of
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  Speaker 4: our biggest stories have been broken by aji fellows who
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  Speaker 4: are all those reporters. And so you know, I'm just
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  Speaker 4: like incredibly proud every day of the work that I'm doing.
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  Speaker 4: And to be doing this work in twenty twenty five
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  Speaker 4: and feeling both like very proud and inspired I think
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  Speaker 4: is probably probably rare. I don't know, I can speak
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  Speaker 4: for myself and just say that I'm very happy to
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  Speaker 4: be doing what I'm doing.
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  Speaker 1: Rees I mean, describe your experience at Notice. How'd you
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  Speaker 1: get there? And I like to echo what Kate said.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's sort of my feeling in what I'm
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  Speaker 1: doing in the world of independentjournalism. It must be nice
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  Speaker 1: to be at a place that wants to grow rather
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  Speaker 1: than shrain.
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  Speaker 6: Definitely, And that's kind of how I got I mean,
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  Speaker 6: I was in Oklahoma doing local news and then dub
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  Speaker 6: with the Washington Examiner covering in Congress and was really
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  Speaker 6: had just kind of thrown to the deep end and
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  Speaker 6: just started doing it. Went to the Daily Beast, was
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  Speaker 6: there for only about three or four months, and to point,
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  Speaker 6: the Daily Beasts did not want to grow. We got
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  Speaker 6: sold about three months into me being there, and they
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  Speaker 6: basically just were like, you guys are not going to
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  Speaker 6: be here much longer, and I don't think they have
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  Speaker 6: a DC Bureau anymore. And so in that I was
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  Speaker 6: like looking for obviously a job, I mean, the variety
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  Speaker 6: was on the wall that we're I was going to
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  Speaker 6: be laid off, like they're getting rid of everyone.
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  Speaker 3: And Notice came along.
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  Speaker 6: And I got a I think Tim, I know for
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  Speaker 6: a fact. So I get a call from Tim Alberta,
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  Speaker 6: who's one of our uh one of a mentor here
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  Speaker 6: at Notice for the Fellows, and he was like, I
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  Speaker 6: want you you should come work at Notice. And I
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  Speaker 6: was like, I don't even know really what notice is
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  Speaker 6: at this point, Like I I think my boss, my boss,
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  Speaker 6: the Daily Beast had gone, but like I, it was
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  Speaker 6: still less than a year old at this point. And
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  Speaker 6: he was like, just come get a drink with me
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  Speaker 6: and Tim Greve, the editor, and I'll convince you to come.
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  Speaker 3: So I think that night got a drink.
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  Speaker 6: And by the end of the night I was like, okay,
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  Speaker 6: sounds like I'm going to Notice. So that's kind of
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  Speaker 6: why I wanted to go and then start a feel
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  Speaker 6: to your point is very fun. It's nice to be
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  Speaker 6: able to be a place that grows having the freedom
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  Speaker 6: to chase down stories that I like chasing down. I
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  Speaker 6: get time if I tell Kate about, oh I have
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  Speaker 6: this crazy tip or whatever, there's the freedom to me
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  Speaker 6: to go chase it down, to report it out without
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  Speaker 6: the pressure of this has to be a story. It's
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  Speaker 6: okay if there's something I chase down turns out to be.
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  Speaker 3: A dead end, which happens a lot. That happens a
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  Speaker 3: lot of journalism.
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  Speaker 6: That's it's not always so I do appreciate the ability
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  Speaker 6: to just go chase down tips that I get without
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  Speaker 6: the pressure of being like, Okay, this doesn't pan out,
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  Speaker 6: then I'm going to be in trouble, and that's happened
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  Speaker 6: a lot. But also a lot of the tips I've
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  Speaker 6: been given the ability to chase out and have worked
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  Speaker 6: out to be good stories and have turned out to
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  Speaker 6: be very promising ones as well.
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  Speaker 3: And they're not.
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  Speaker 6: Afraid to take a big swing at people, and that's
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  Speaker 6: something I love.
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  Speaker 3: I love.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, a lot of the stories I've written have
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  Speaker 6: made people mad, and I love having the people that
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  Speaker 6: are stay behind you, like, oh, we'll support.
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  Speaker 3: You even if these people are are mad. We're not
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  Speaker 3: going to cower back down. That's a lot of fun.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's always nice. Stagy. I always say, if you.
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  Speaker 1: To be a good journalist, you've you've got to be
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  Speaker 1: comfortable not being popular. Unfortunately, in today's algorithmic uh world,
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  Speaker 1: that doesn't always Trent You know that, doesn't you know
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  Speaker 1: that that doesn't always That isn't as easy as it sounds.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: It should be easy for a journalists to say, hey,
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  Speaker 1: without fear or favor, I don't care what you think
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  Speaker 1: what we're all human beings and the way these algorithms work.
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  Speaker 2: Kate, I'm curious.
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  Speaker 1: How often you know, do you do you feel like
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  Speaker 1: you've got to play two algorithms? Do you think about
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  Speaker 1: that when you guys are posting stories?
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  Speaker 2: How much?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, the whole search optimization frankly nonsense.
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  Speaker 1: I get that it's a necessity if you're looking for traffic,
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  Speaker 1: but I hate the way it could distort a headline.
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  Speaker 1: How do you strike that balance? You guys strike me
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  Speaker 1: as an organization that doesn't want to get caught up
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  Speaker 1: in just chasing clicks. So what's your How do you
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  Speaker 1: strike the balance? As an editor?
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  Speaker 4: I think it is always nice to have people read
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  Speaker 4: your stories, but to me, not at the expense of accuracy, fairness.
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  Speaker 4: It is just not something that I am obsessing over.
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  Speaker 4: In the same way, it is very helpful obviously that
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  Speaker 4: we you know, we how we started our connection with
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  Speaker 4: with Ajai, those things sort of built in meant that
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  Speaker 4: we were not going to be an organization that was
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  Speaker 4: out there like gunning for traffic.
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  Speaker 2: All the time.
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  Speaker 4: Obviously, I love it when people read our stories or
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  Speaker 4: stories blow up, when like a big story breaks and
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  Speaker 4: there are a lot of eyeballs on it and people
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  Speaker 4: are talking about it. Yes, like I yes, but I
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  Speaker 4: want people to read my stories that like, that's what
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  Speaker 4: that's about. That's not about it's not about a traffic
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  Speaker 4: chase necessarily, And we are in a really unveo pole
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  Speaker 4: position where you know, we we do have traffic goals again,
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  Speaker 4: wanting people to read our stories, but it's not like
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  Speaker 4: the top measurement of what we feel makes a great
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  Speaker 4: story or why a story would be important to publish,
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  Speaker 4: if that makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: And.
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  Speaker 2: How you know it used to be.
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  Speaker 1: You know, when I first got in, I remember moving
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  Speaker 1: from the Hotline to NBC, and I had a standard
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: explanation for what the hotline was. And then the first
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: time I called on behalf saying I was working at NBC,
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: I didn't have to have an explanation of what NBC was, right,
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: And I remember it was an empowering feeling that first timing,
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: like Okay, finally I don't feel like I have to
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: convince somebody that I am a legitimate reporter with a
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: legitimate news organization, here's what it is. And a lot
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: of time with the Hotline, it was usually trying to
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: introduce what it was to somebody who hadn't run in
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: politics before.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: What is this? What are you?
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: Well, we're kind of a trade and this is what
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: we do, and et cetera. I imagine over the last
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: year you're having to explain what notices less and less
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: and given the fragmentation of media, is that even a
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: challenge anymore? Do you feel in some ways not being
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: part of the legacy media is actually an advantage?
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: I think definitely.
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  Speaker 6: They definitely come like they approach me with less of
• 18:38
  Speaker 6: a I guess, kind of just a negative light.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: Sometimes. I think it's also if we don't look at.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: You and see like a Peacock logo or the Post
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: logo or the Times logo, they just see a guy
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: with a small at a publication that so far seems
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: to be a straight shooter exactly.
• 18:58
  Speaker 6: And also it does there is times when it's definitely
• 19:00
  Speaker 6: when I do have to like kind of explain myself
• 19:03
  Speaker 6: more to get in get in the door with some
• 19:05
  Speaker 6: people or also people to talk to me. And I
• 19:09
  Speaker 6: find that less difficult when it's people on the Hill
• 19:11
  Speaker 6: are people in politics. I feel as though when I
• 19:14
  Speaker 6: call them, I mean, I've worked with these people the Examiner,
• 19:16
  Speaker 6: at the Daily bas etcetera. Where it's not I don't
• 19:18
  Speaker 6: have to necessarily explain it. But it's more so I'm
• 19:21
  Speaker 6: talking to people not in the DC echo ecosystem, where,
• 19:24
  Speaker 6: for example, I did a story on hore emails and
• 19:27
  Speaker 6: his broad Star and how all these people said that
• 19:31
  Speaker 6: he didn't save their lives. So I was calling these
• 19:32
  Speaker 6: veterans that had served with him, and two of the
• 19:35
  Speaker 6: veterans were shot and wounded, and I had to explain
• 19:38
  Speaker 6: they weren't readers of Notice. They if I were to
• 19:41
  Speaker 6: call sales with the Post or the Ties, it probably
• 19:43
  Speaker 6: would have definitely not necessarily been easier. I would have
• 19:46
  Speaker 6: had to explained it. I'd be like, oh, this is
• 19:48
  Speaker 6: our publication, this is what we do. We're a startup,
• 19:51
  Speaker 6: or it's some founder of Politico. So Politico started Notice
• 19:55
  Speaker 6: and send them a website and it takes It definitely
• 19:57
  Speaker 6: is more of like an explaining thing, but they are
• 20:00
  Speaker 6: never once were they like, oh, like, I don't really
• 20:03
  Speaker 6: want to talk to you.
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: I've heard bad things about your outloads.
• 20:05
  Speaker 6: We're just like, what is it, and so there is
• 20:07
  Speaker 6: less of a I guess the predisposed kind of idea
• 20:12
  Speaker 6: of what what notice is, which is helpful in a
• 20:15
  Speaker 6: lot of sense.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: Kate, one thing that I noticed.
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, sorry, no, I was gonna say. I was just
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: gonna say, like, I was at BuzzFeed when BuzzFeed news
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: started and trying to explain what BuzzFeed new was to
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  Speaker 4: put Grassley or anybody else was, so like, notice is
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  Speaker 4: very easy in comparison to that, Right, do.
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  Speaker 1: One of the things that I I've noticed kit and maybe
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: I'm looking for it because I am so appalled by
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: what's happening at the Washington Post. When it comes to
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: being covering the DMV as, I try hard not to
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: use that phrase because I do feel like it confuses
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: people outside of the district Maryland.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: In Virginia. No, I'm not talking about getting your driver's license.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: But I feel like, and you tell me this local
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: Washington politics in some ways, you guys feel like is
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: part of your responsibility. That is something that I think
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: the Washington Post has decided is no longer their responsibility.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: I saw it.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: It was striking to me how they covered the Virginia
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: governor's race as if it were like the Kansas governor's race.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: It was like this really bizarre detachment. And I think
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: they have one person left in the Richmond Bureau. They've
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: made a decision they want to be the Wall Street Journal.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: I get it.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know if that's the right call, but I understand.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: I get what they're doing. They're literally retreating on all
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: things local and wanting to be a more national conversation.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: I've seen you guys lean more into local. I feel
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: like you've covered the mayor's race more often than the
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: Washington Post does. For instance, intentional or just opportunistic.
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't. I wouldn't say either. I think we're really
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: interested in political stories, stories about the Democratic Party, stories
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: about the federal government taking over Washington, d C. Which
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: is obviously a massive, important local and national story. I
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: think that the stories from Virginia about where the Democratic
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: Party was is heading super important, Wes Moore in Maryland,
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: Like these are all national stories that also serve as
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: local stories.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: The back yard, right, Yeah.
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: I just think like for us, it's like, we're here,
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: We've got people, these are interesting stories. Why wouldn't we
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: Why wouldn't we tell them? Like, I think what I
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: would say is, I'll just never say no to an
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: interesting story and all of the So.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: It's not like, Okay, we're covering local Washington and how
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: much culture like.
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: An explort, but like what has happened? What happened? What's
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: happening to the Kennedy Center? Fascinating story that we feel
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: like we should be telling as well.
• 24:23
  Speaker 6: You know.
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: So I don't think it's fun that you like picked
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: up on that, because I think it is.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: I guess I see it what it does for me.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: It's sort of like if you guys weren't didn't exist,
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: I'd feel like there was a bigger gap in Like
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: there's just a whole bunch of what I would say
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: are quote local stories, as you say, with national implications
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: that the Washington Post has just decided no longer to cover,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: and I don't know if that is a temporary decision
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: by them or not, but I think good. I mean
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: this is primarily I think how you've worked your way
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: in my daily news stream, because it feels like you're
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: covering stories that they stopped covering.
• 25:06
  Speaker 6: To that point as well. I think also, we just
• 25:08
  Speaker 6: like breaking news a lot, and if there's a way
• 25:13
  Speaker 6: to break some news on anything, I think we're all in.
• 25:15
  Speaker 6: I mean, we broke the news about the I remember
• 25:18
  Speaker 6: it was the week the White House corresponds week. It was.
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: It was a Sunday Sunday afternoon.
• 25:23
  Speaker 6: I was very hungover, and we got a story of
• 25:26
  Speaker 6: that the Washington Commander Stadium was moving to the old
• 25:28
  Speaker 6: RF camp and that they the city had an agreement
• 25:31
  Speaker 6: they were announcing on Monday, and I remember being at
• 25:33
  Speaker 6: a bar, just like taking out my phone and it
• 25:35
  Speaker 6: was just like, it is a local story, not necessarily
• 25:38
  Speaker 6: a national, not usually my wheelhouse, but it's just like
• 25:41
  Speaker 6: we like breaking it.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: We like that whole thing, and I'm like.
• 25:44
  Speaker 6: Oh, this is a good kind of scoop or a
• 25:47
  Speaker 6: good way to kind of break news and not going
• 25:50
  Speaker 6: to like nothing's really too small in that sense, because
• 25:53
  Speaker 6: it's like, oh, there are readers that really do care
• 25:55
  Speaker 6: about this.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, let's talk about like the environment that we're
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: in right now out and sort of Washington, Kate. I've
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: had a friend who says, who's lived here a long time,
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: who says, you know, it's DC feels just different. And
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: I always joke about like there is you know, the
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: buildings stay the same, although right with this administration, he
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: might actually change the building design. But it is funny
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: how the occupant makes people look at a building differently
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: and look at things a little bit differently. Do you
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: sense that the city has changed in the last year,
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Like is he the cultural imprint on the city itself?
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: On the attitude?
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: You know, as a friend of mine jokes, are we
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: an occupied city at the moment?
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: I don't.
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: I don't necessarily feel that way. So I I'm a
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: bit of a transient.
• 26:50
  Speaker 6: I am.
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: My permanent residence is in Massachusetts, and I come down
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: to Washington quite often.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: So you already view Washington as sort of a You've
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: got a different relationship with Washington, and perhaps I mean, I.
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: Mean I lived Look, I lived here for I lived
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: here for thirteen years, and to go you know, with
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: my family and stuff. But I it's interesting to come
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: back because come back and forth because I read about
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: you know, this is happening, and this is happening, and
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: then I come back here and I'm like, oh, it
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: feels exactly the same.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. People say, what's it like with the
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: National Guard troops.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: I'm like, other than people wearing fatigues every once in
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: a while walking on the sidewalk, nothing's really change.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: And in fact, I don't.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Know why, And I always say, if they were going
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: to do this, I don't know why they keep putting
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: them in the tourist attractions. I don't know why they
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: don't put them in other parts of the city where
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: maybe they could use a little bit of extra extra I.
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: Actually, I mean I don't think. I don't really think
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: that it was Donald Trump necessarily necessarily like this term
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: of Donald Trump. But to me, the biggest difference was
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: cover Capitol Hill before the pandemic and before January sixth,
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: and then covering Capitol Hill after the pandemic and after January,
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: and that is there's like market difference.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: Tell me more, Tell me more about that.
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: Just like the collegiality of their gone in Gone just nothing.
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: It's nothing, and and and I get it. I think
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: the relationship with between the press and members is more strained,
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: definitely more difficult. I think that even I mean, Reese
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: is there every day, and maybe it's gotten better, but
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: the collegiality between members of the press, you know, when
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: I was there covering things was feet It was a
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: very this was your friends. It was like little like
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: they're your friends who you wanted to be.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Obviously team presscore though, wasn't it like yeah, it felt
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: like everybody. It's the way the White House Press Corps.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: I used to say, being in the White House Press Corps,
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: particularly when we went overseas, it was team America, you know,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: and and there was and there was sort of a
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: relationship with fellow reporters that was different.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: You know, yes you competed, but yeah.
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and and please correct, like, please correct me if
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: I am wrong. But I am trying to when I
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: bring the fellows up there and bring the Hill team
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: up there, like I am trying to change a little
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: bit of that, like making sure that people understand that
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: this is you know, a like a really special place
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: to cover. Be the best place to cover. I think best.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: Places to start work.
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and see, like these people are your colleagues. These
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: are the people that you are, you know, go to
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: work with every single day, and maybe we'll even go
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: through like pretty crazy situation with at some point. And
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: so it's about treating them with respect and collegiality. But
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: which again, like I just feel like it was it
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: was warmer ye before.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: But yeah, Reese, I'm sure you don't love hearing about
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: the good old days because the other the good old
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: days is that they're old, right, you know, And I'm
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: aware like we're never going to go backwards, We're always
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: going to go forward. But how often do you hear
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: a similar sentiment as Kate just expressed from older colleagues
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: on the.
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: Hill quite a bit.
• 30:24
  Speaker 6: Honestly, I do feel I mean a lot of my
• 30:27
  Speaker 6: closest friends are on the press corps. But to your point,
• 30:29
  Speaker 6: it's like it's very clickie. I mean, I'll just admit that.
• 30:32
  Speaker 6: I mean, it's very much like it doesn't seem like it.
• 30:35
  Speaker 6: There's people who I mean, I've worked along side up
• 30:38
  Speaker 6: here for Congressional yeah, I never talked to It's just
• 30:44
  Speaker 6: very different in that sense. And it's not like there's
• 30:46
  Speaker 6: any animosity or hard feelings towards just like, oh, you
• 30:49
  Speaker 6: have your friends, and that's that.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: It gets do you start to recognize people you don't
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: know the name of right, You're like, at some point
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: we ought to, we ought to at least, you know,
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: acknowledge each other's existence. It's work side by side of
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: it exactly.
• 31:01
  Speaker 6: There is also though, like a really it's it makes
• 31:03
  Speaker 6: it fun too in the sense there it's like it's
• 31:05
  Speaker 6: very competitive. I played golf in high school in college,
• 31:08
  Speaker 6: and I compare it to a golf team where it's
• 31:10
  Speaker 6: like you're on the same team because you're all like reports,
• 31:13
  Speaker 6: like you're just here there and your friends, but at
• 31:15
  Speaker 6: the same time, like you want to kick their ass,
• 31:17
  Speaker 6: like you want to beat them really bad.
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: And so there is.
• 31:20
  Speaker 6: Much more of like competitive spirit, which I also kind
• 31:22
  Speaker 6: of chalk up to just there's more. I feel like
• 31:24
  Speaker 6: there's a lot more different outlets on the Hill now,
• 31:27
  Speaker 6: like there's a whole lot more competition to go against
• 31:31
  Speaker 6: because it's such a I think there's there's just so
• 31:35
  Speaker 6: much a little of information so much quickly. A lot
• 31:37
  Speaker 6: of people just tweet out little things that happen, or
• 31:41
  Speaker 6: Politico has their blog that they can quickly write stuff up.
• 31:43
  Speaker 6: So it's a lot more of like quick hit scoops,
• 31:46
  Speaker 6: and so that just makes the competition so much more
• 31:49
  Speaker 6: where that's not necessarily stuff I focus on. I don't
• 31:51
  Speaker 6: really care about the quick who's meeting with who, what's
• 31:53
  Speaker 6: going on? Who said this in conference? I like more
• 31:56
  Speaker 6: caring getting those things of writing like a bigger thing.
• 31:59
  Speaker 6: But that still is like you're trying to get it,
• 32:01
  Speaker 6: and then it's like do I run with this now
• 32:03
  Speaker 6: because it might get out there? Do I hold it
• 32:05
  Speaker 6: and use it as like an antidote as a larger,
• 32:07
  Speaker 6: larger story. There's just so much more competition and the
• 32:10
  Speaker 6: flow of information is so much quicker. It's either you
• 32:13
  Speaker 6: get scooped right away or you you hold in try
• 32:15
  Speaker 6: to hope that no one else gets it for it.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about your first guest for your podcast. First
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: of all, tell me you guys launched that this week.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: What's uh? Do you have a mission? You have a
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: north star for the podcast? What's the what give me
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: your focus?
• 32:30
  Speaker 6: Yeah? It was definitely. I came to them about I
• 32:34
  Speaker 6: want to say, like six months ago. I was like,
• 32:35
  Speaker 6: I'd like to start podcast. I think there's a lot
• 32:37
  Speaker 6: of news of the Day podcast where it's like, here's
• 32:40
  Speaker 6: what's happening today, and you can get to your it's
• 32:43
  Speaker 6: hard to differentiate yourself from that.
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: And I was like, there's so many of those.
• 32:47
  Speaker 6: I there's a couple I listened to, but for the
• 32:49
  Speaker 6: best joy of me the podcast, I listened to our
• 32:51
  Speaker 6: more in depth get to know somebody, like you have
• 32:54
  Speaker 6: time to talk to them. And I was like, there's
• 32:56
  Speaker 6: so many members of Congress that I think that there's
• 32:59
  Speaker 6: the general public doesn't necessarily know unless you're you're a
• 33:03
  Speaker 6: c or Jim Jordan. You're on TV all the time,
• 33:05
  Speaker 6: like they know who those people are. But even then
• 33:07
  Speaker 6: it's like just like they don't really know them no personally.
• 33:11
  Speaker 6: And so I catch an idea of I was like,
• 33:13
  Speaker 6: I want a podcast where it's not a certainly just
• 33:15
  Speaker 6: it's getting another member. I want someone a listener, to
• 33:18
  Speaker 6: be able to listen to these interviews in six months,
• 33:21
  Speaker 6: a year, two years and be like and still it's relevant.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: It's not talking about so in.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: Some way it's an oral profile, an exact professional profile.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: Is the is the goal of each of these Yes,
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: So it's Steve Scalise as your first guest and what's
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: remarkable about him is how he has survived all this
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: change inside the Republican Party. Right, Like you know, basically,
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: you know when you when you look at the House leadership,
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: he's the I guess he's the last man standing.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: That goes back to was he did he serve with
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: Bayner too? Right?
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: So so goes back to Bayner through Ryan and all
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: of that. So he is you know, it's funny. He's
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: always been considered more on the conservative side. Now I
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: don't know what the definition of conservative is anymore. That
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: was a subject of a podcast I just had with
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: Jack dan Forth where we were you know what, what
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: what people think it is conservative today is not what
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: people would have called conservative when Steve Scalice began running
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: for Congress. So how does he fit in today's Republican Party.
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: I mean he's still universe.
• 34:30
  Speaker 6: I mean the republic Party still gets I mean he's
• 34:32
  Speaker 6: really been able to move with the party as it goes.
• 34:36
  Speaker 6: He's made He's a close ally Trump. Trump still brings
• 34:40
  Speaker 6: him up all the time. And these things, especially the
• 34:43
  Speaker 6: story that Trump continually brings upout him is how he
• 34:46
  Speaker 6: visited him after he got shot, how his uh during
• 34:49
  Speaker 6: the assassination tip.
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: And he always was like your wife, do you have
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: a great wife?
• 34:53
  Speaker 6: Like she was like, I'm super nice to talk to
• 34:54
  Speaker 6: you when you're in the hospital, and always brings that
• 34:56
  Speaker 6: story up when he brings up Steve Scleice. But he's
• 35:00
  Speaker 6: really been able to adapt with the times, which is
• 35:03
  Speaker 6: not something that other members of leadership.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: We just gotta say many haven't been able to pull
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: that off.
• 35:07
  Speaker 6: And he had Bader left beforehand, Ryan left and then
• 35:11
  Speaker 6: McCarthy got ousted.
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: And that's why I haven't wanted people haven't wanted to adjust,
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: and he's like good to adjust, Like he's made.
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: It work, is he not?
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: There has to be some I mean, you know, he
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: probably used to not take Mike Johnson's calls right away,
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: right like he was the dean of the delegation, and
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: you know this young Mike Johnson. He might have screened
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: Mike Johnson's calls. He probably wouldn't admit if he did that,
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: but my guess is he might have at first. And
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: now he's got a uh, you know, Mike Johnson has
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: the job that we know Scalice would love to have.
• 35:48
  Speaker 6: And also the job that Steves Cleve did try to
• 35:51
  Speaker 6: get He tried, and he was blocked by the Freedom
• 35:56
  Speaker 6: Colocks and Jordan Allies and that was I mean, I
• 36:01
  Speaker 6: remember people asking him basically when this happened, it was like,
• 36:03
  Speaker 6: you were supposed to be the speaker for Louisiana and
• 36:05
  Speaker 6: now you're like, you're having to hand off to this
• 36:08
  Speaker 6: other eye. And I mean, he would never admit it,
• 36:10
  Speaker 6: but you definitely know there is They're really close. I mean,
• 36:13
  Speaker 6: John Sisclise are close.
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 36:14
  Speaker 6: They were really tight, very different relationship than him McCarthy had,
• 36:18
  Speaker 6: and but you you could see that he was definitely disappointed,
• 36:21
  Speaker 6: like he that was supposed to be his speakership. He
• 36:25
  Speaker 6: was the majority leader, he was next in line, and
• 36:28
  Speaker 6: he was blocked. I mean, there was stuff that he
• 36:30
  Speaker 6: just couldn't get around. But the ability that he's been
• 36:34
  Speaker 6: able to stay leadership for this long is remarkable. It's
• 36:38
  Speaker 6: especially through an assassination attempt, through cancer, through two Trump
• 36:44
  Speaker 6: presidencies when and through an ever changing conservative faction in
• 36:49
  Speaker 6: the House.
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: It's wild how.
• 36:52
  Speaker 6: He's been able to kind of he might he might
• 36:55
  Speaker 6: have been blocked for me a speaker, but he was
• 36:57
  Speaker 6: also like one of four people that are blocked be
• 36:59
  Speaker 6: a speaker. So wasn't not that that was unique to hand.
• 37:01
  Speaker 6: Nobody would have been was perfect until Mike Johnson. And
• 37:04
  Speaker 6: so it's just it's you definitely do sense that there
• 37:07
  Speaker 6: is probably some disappoinment because that's the job he's always wanted,
• 37:10
  Speaker 6: you know. But him and Mike Johnson are very close.
• 37:12
  Speaker 6: They they hold a relationship that is really good.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: Kate, I'm curious given your experience now covering a decade
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: of Trump at the variety of locations that you covered him.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: We're all sitting here. I think this time is different.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: We've had these Trump dips below and and I think
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: we're all a little you know, there's nobody left that
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: hasn't predicted incorrectly the demise of Donald Trump. Okay, over
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: the last twenty five years of his of his public life.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: You know, that's it for Trump. You know, the TV
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: star is dead, and that's it for Trump, the casino guy, right,
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: you know, he's the master of reinvention, He's the master of, frankly,
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: always being counted out a little bit too soon. But
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: this time feels different because part of it, I think
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: is we're impacting a Trump fatigue. But what's your sense,
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: and is you know, what's the similarity to twenty seventeen
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, and what make what if it is different?
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: What do you think it's different?
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: I mean, the biggest difference between twenty seventeen and twenty
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: eighteen is twenty seventeen and twenty eighteen there were like
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: norms within the administration that they were still adhering to.
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: I think when they came back into When Trump came
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: back into office, it's very purposeful, like we are going
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: to enact our agenda. I mean, the people he had
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: around him in twenty seventeen and twenty eighteen were all
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: pretty establishment Republicans who were there who said, you know,
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: we know how to run a White House, like think
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: about John Kelly, Like these are people who've been in
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: DC and doing it a long time. And Trump this
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: time was like, no, we're not doing that. We are
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: going to bring We're going to have the people around
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: me that are loyal above all else, the trust you
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: know that I trust above all else, and we are
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: going to do what I Donald Trump and they want
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: to do. And so that to me, I look, I
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: am out of the prediction business. I mean prediction one time,
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: a very long time ago, and I shall never do
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: it again, because I was very fond.
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: What was the prediction that.
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: Eric Cancer would not lose his primary?
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's right, you never that.
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't do that anymore. And uh so you know,
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: I I just it is. It is hard for me
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: when I do go up to the hill, when I
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: am in Washington and talking to republics, like, I don't
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: see any fatigue really from them, Like I mean, people
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: are just keep rolling like it like there is whatever,
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: whatever scandal, whatever news story, whatever is happening, and there
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: there is always seems to be a way out.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: For people, you know, stay rationale. I'm here, stay.
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: And that is so I so I am not I
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: don't see it in the in the party. And I
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: think that you know, the elections next year will tell
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: us more. But again, don't need prediction.
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• 42:22
  Speaker 1: I'm curious of your experience because I this is something
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: that I think is going to make this midterm unique.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: Is our fragmentedy information ecosystem. If you don't want to
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: hear bad news for your side, whatever your side is.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: You can avoid it.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: You know, you can feel better about how things going
• 42:38
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• 42:40
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• 42:45
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• 42:47
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• 42:52
  Speaker 1: maybe live in a curated world.
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: Oh definitely.
• 42:55
  Speaker 6: I mean I was talking. It's a lot of times
• 42:58
  Speaker 6: the members who have been there for a while and
• 43:00
  Speaker 6: that I have been here free Trump and know what
• 43:04
  Speaker 6: it's been like for ten twenty years. At some points,
• 43:07
  Speaker 6: they're the ones that are much more open eye to
• 43:09
  Speaker 6: this situation, like this is not fun, this is not good,
• 43:12
  Speaker 6: this is not We're gonna lose. I talked to a
• 43:14
  Speaker 6: member today where Mike Johnson was in conference. He was
• 43:19
  Speaker 6: basically trying to be like, oh, Republicans, we're not just
• 43:21
  Speaker 6: gonna keep it, We're gonna grow it, Like we have
• 43:23
  Speaker 6: perfect ability to grow it. Grabbed a veteran member. Afterwards,
• 43:26
  Speaker 6: they told me they're like, yeah, and I thought I
• 43:29
  Speaker 6: was going to date the prom queen in high school,
• 43:31
  Speaker 6: but like, we don't always get what we want, and
• 43:33
  Speaker 6: that was their exact quote, and I was so they're
• 43:35
  Speaker 6: much more being like this is terrible, like.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: Interesting, But you see a really a real dividing line
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: between those that basically that were there before twenty sixteen
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: and those that it got elected during Trump's during Trump's.
• 43:47
  Speaker 6: One hundred percent because they these younger members I would
• 43:50
  Speaker 6: even say young younger in the amount of time they've
• 43:52
  Speaker 6: been in Congress. Rather they they don't know they think
• 43:56
  Speaker 6: Trump can is the only figure the public bard like
• 44:00
  Speaker 6: he could do no wrong. There are type of people
• 44:02
  Speaker 6: that came up and like, if you ran for Congress
• 44:04
  Speaker 6: as a Republican for a first time at post Trump,
• 44:06
  Speaker 6: you're running for Trump. You're not running like you're running
• 44:09
  Speaker 6: because you say something in Trump and there's really and
• 44:13
  Speaker 6: the only way to win was to run towards Trump.
• 44:15
  Speaker 6: You cann't really run make your own really republican lane.
• 44:18
  Speaker 6: So those members are feel more of a sense of oh, like,
• 44:22
  Speaker 6: he'll always find a way to make this right. He'll
• 44:24
  Speaker 6: find a way to say that, like, oh, it might
• 44:26
  Speaker 6: be terrible right now, but we're still gonna be okay.
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: Where is it?
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: The same dividing line among those who lament the lack
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: of that Congress has given away too much authority to
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: the presidency that that was also that that divide is
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: between sort of the newbies and the veterans.
• 44:45
  Speaker 6: Oh, definitely, because I don't think newbies really know what
• 44:47
  Speaker 6: it was like when Congress actually had its full power,
• 44:50
  Speaker 6: like when they could stand up. I mean, they don't
• 44:53
  Speaker 6: know what it was like before when Congress was like
• 44:56
  Speaker 6: if they're actually passing appropriations, built, they're funding the government,
• 44:59
  Speaker 6: they're doing this, like they don't fully remember what is
• 45:03
  Speaker 6: like one of these older members who have like, oh,
• 45:05
  Speaker 6: like I remember, like Conngress us actually like we stand
• 45:08
  Speaker 6: up to a president if we disagreed with it, like.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: And we still here's the irony to that the era
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: they're talking about. Those of us that covered that era
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: would say this is kind of a weak Congress. They're
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: seeding too much power to the presidency.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: So I mean it is.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: Sort of amusing to me because this has been a
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: forty year I'd argue a forty year phenomenon that started
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: with the Reagan White House sort of usurping more and
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: more power, and this has been a consistent thing. Presidents
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: never give power back to Congress. I don't care what
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: body they are.
• 45:34
  Speaker 6: I remember I read a good book, The Admission of
• 45:36
  Speaker 6: the Power, about Jim Wright, and it's a great about
• 45:40
  Speaker 6: how he was. I think he was the last speaker
• 45:44
  Speaker 6: to really fully be like, no, like the House, I
• 45:47
  Speaker 6: am equal to the president.
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: I'm going to use this power to do what I
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: need to do.
• 45:52
  Speaker 6: And that's what he did. He literally saw himself as
• 45:56
  Speaker 6: like equal to the president. He said he was taking
• 45:58
  Speaker 6: leaders with foreign leaders like he was doing it as
• 46:00
  Speaker 6: thing like and I feel like reading that and then
• 46:04
  Speaker 6: looking at today, I'm like, Mike Johns would never he
• 46:06
  Speaker 6: would never try to go against I mean, even like
• 46:10
  Speaker 6: Ken McCarthy and johnsonderbyne like even to the point they
• 46:13
  Speaker 6: were like, oh that's that's an executive issue, that's not
• 46:16
  Speaker 6: a legislative issue. Like even in opposite parties, that would
• 46:20
  Speaker 6: never really happen because they would be like, oh, that's
• 46:21
  Speaker 6: not our issue, where before under him, right, he was like,
• 46:24
  Speaker 6: oh there's an issue, Like I'm going to make it
• 46:26
  Speaker 6: a legislative issue, like it's going to be my thing.
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: And you don't just don't see that anymore.
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: No, I'm I think you know, it's inevitable we'll have another.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: You know, look, we if you look at things with
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: a really long lens, we've had cycles of weak congresses.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: Versus strong congresses, and I think.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: A period of a stronger legislative branch, particularly if we
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: have to continue with a series of one term presidents,
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: he is going to be inevitable. We've had three in
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: a row, and the last time we had that was
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: over one hundred years ago. So in that sense, Kate,
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: if there's another difference between twenty seventeen and twenty eighteen
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: and today, it's on the democratic side. There was confidence
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: and confidence associated both words were associated with the democratic
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: leadership Cerca. Twenty seventeen and twenty eighteen. Those are not
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: two words you would hear to describe the democratic leadership
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: of today. How how much of a problem could that
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: end up being for Democrats as they even as the
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: political environment is pretty good if you're the party not
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: in the White House.
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I it is funny to watch them.
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: They always get in their own way, right, Like it's like, oh,
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: you caught the ball, and then you fumble and caught
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: the ball and then you fumble. Nancy Pelosi, I think
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: even her biggest critics would say she she counted every
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: single vote, She knew how to get something that she
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: wanted done done, and just had this you know, armor
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: around her where she just did not let that the
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: infighting truly like trickle in, and it does not seem
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: that current Democratic leadership has has got that figured out
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: at this point. Reese and I were in New Hampshire
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: a little while ago to see some senator shortly after
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: the government reopened, some people who may or may not
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: be thinking about running for a president in twenty twenty eight.
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: Senator Chris Murphy, Senator Corey Booker, who both you know,
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: had pretty like tough things to say about their leadership,
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: and Senator Chuck Schumer, which is just I don't think
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: is something you saw. I mean, people were obviously very
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: critical of Harry Reid but it just it was it
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: was different. You know, people didn't Harry Reid was still
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: able to keep folks together and get done what he
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: needed to get done. And the you know, the overwhelming
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: criticism of Schuber post shut down was that he just
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: let he you know, he let this coalition dissolve and
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: for what. At the end of the day, it was
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: like they had kept the government shut down and for what.
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: So I'll be really interested to see how how the
• 49:27
  Speaker 4: party runs, you know. I think this idea that they
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: can run on economy and affordability like Trump did in
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: twenty four and as we saw in the November elections,
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: if they can keep on that message, maybe we'll see.
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: But there's a lot of noise out there, especially on
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: the far left, and it is very hard for the party,
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: I think, to tune that out.
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: Reese, what do you sense of the nervousness among you know,
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: do Democrats feel bullish or are they always looking over
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: their left shoulder early that you're Democrats that you talked to.
• 50:03
  Speaker 6: I think from talk to them, they definitely feel bullish
• 50:07
  Speaker 6: going into the midterms, but they there's just a sense
• 50:11
  Speaker 6: that there's never gonna like the leader. They don't really
• 50:14
  Speaker 6: have full like like clearly Nancy Pelosi is what the leader,
• 50:19
  Speaker 6: as to her point of the Decocrat party, and they don't
• 50:23
  Speaker 6: really have a leader like Republicans going into midterms, even
• 50:26
  Speaker 6: when they're down, they're like, oh, Trump's our get like
• 50:28
  Speaker 6: Trump's gonna endorse something especial.
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 50:31
  Speaker 6: Where I mean my colleague Alex Roady wrote about this, Well,
• 50:35
  Speaker 6: it's about Senate races where they don't really have a
• 50:40
  Speaker 6: forced clear primaries. They don't have a force to help
• 50:44
  Speaker 6: get the right candidate elected. Where Steve Dain's last cycle,
• 50:48
  Speaker 6: the former NRSC chairman was like, we have our candidate,
• 50:51
  Speaker 6: that's the guy who can win, and we're gonna just
• 50:52
  Speaker 6: have Trump endorse these people to then help our field.
• 50:55
  Speaker 6: Like they could put up a candidate in Michigan who
• 50:58
  Speaker 6: might not be able to be microaders. I put up
• 51:00
  Speaker 6: a candidate made who can't beat Susan Collins, and they
• 51:05
  Speaker 6: had these Well they've cleared some fields, but I mean
• 51:09
  Speaker 6: not in Texas.
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: There's possiblity jam.
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: Right Roy Cooper cleared a field.
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: I don't believe anybody that Chuck Schumer did nothing to
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: clear that field, Shared Brown. There's no he by the way,
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: they didn't even clear that field, right shared Brown's the
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: heavy favorite, but it didn't scare off one challenger with
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: a couple of bucks, you know.
• 51:28
  Speaker 6: And then Texas, I mean they have James Lorigo and
• 51:32
  Speaker 6: then jam Crockett might get it, and that would also
• 51:35
  Speaker 6: be a mess for them. So there's also this sense
• 51:38
  Speaker 6: of like what should be like, Oh, we're gonna win it.
• 51:40
  Speaker 6: It's like, dang, like, are you gonna well, how's it
• 51:42
  Speaker 6: gonna work in the city, we can nominate the row candidate.
• 51:45
  Speaker 6: Same in the House, I mean the redistrict you stuff
• 51:47
  Speaker 6: is definitely getting to them.
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: Do they accept the premise. Do Democrats accept the premise
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: that they can't win the mid terms without winning both
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: the House and the Senate.
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: I don't think they do.
• 51:59
  Speaker 6: I think the focusing I think that you're like, oh,
• 52:02
  Speaker 6: if we win the House were good, they could just
• 52:03
  Speaker 6: like hinder.
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: A little bit.
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That that to me is that's a loser mentality.
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: That's not a when it.
• 52:09
  Speaker 6: Is hard to definitely the Senate is definitely significantly harder,
• 52:12
  Speaker 6: but means it's more seats.
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: I just did this.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: I just did a bunch of research on this. We've
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: had We've had thirty three midterms since eighteen ninety four,
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: which was the first time the Out Party swept the
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: House and the Senate in the midterm, and in eighteen
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: of the twenty one times that the Out Party in
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: those thirty three elections gained Senate seats, Eighteen of the
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: twenty one times that the Outparty gained Senate seats they
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: gained four or more Senate seats. So in theory, picking
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: up four Senate seats is sort of the norm. If
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: that party picks up most of the time, it is
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: four or more. So the idea that they viewed that
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: as a reach right now, I think is a real
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: indictment of the fact that they're no longer a national
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: party because they just can't compete in literally a third
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: of the country.
• 53:06
  Speaker 6: And then there also is concerned, I mean even about
• 53:08
  Speaker 6: states that should be safe New Hampshire with Johnson New
• 53:10
  Speaker 6: New getting in, like they're gonna have to spend money
• 53:12
  Speaker 6: there when usually I mean, if it was just Scott
• 53:14
  Speaker 6: Brown that would have the National Party would not have.
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: Had to spent some money.
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: They might have to spend some I think people under
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: estimate Scott New Hampshire's a quirky state.
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: It is.
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: You know, it's it's you know, it's really smart people
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: pissed off at how cold it is, right Like, it's
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: just you know, it's just you know, you never know,
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: very dark winter.
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: That was all your hotline popped out there check just
• 53:37
  Speaker 4: a little bit.
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: I just well, I'm just vomiting my my data that
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: I just sort of accumulated because I was obsessed with this.
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: How many times has there been an actual clean suite
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: where the outparty won both the House in the Senate.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: It's actually, I only happened six times since the since
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: the Republican Party became one of the two major parties. Ironically,
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: the first time at ever happened is the first time
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: it was for Grover Cleveland's presidency, in the second mid
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: term of his second non consecutive term. I'm not saying
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: history repeats itself, but.
• 54:13
  Speaker 6: But I think you also been a difficulty for Democrats
• 54:17
  Speaker 6: that I'm hearing a lot is that there's no cohesion
• 54:19
  Speaker 6: of message. Like the shutdown I think really amplified that
• 54:22
  Speaker 6: where there were some people, I mean, they're just and
• 54:26
  Speaker 6: even if there is a message, they don't really fight
• 54:28
  Speaker 6: to push forward with it, like the message was, oh,
• 54:31
  Speaker 6: it's a Republican shutdown, but like, we're not going to
• 54:33
  Speaker 6: open it back up until we get healthcare.
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: Like it was just this.
• 54:37
  Speaker 6: Democrats are really upset about how there wasn't fac because it.
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: Wasn't about healthcare. But they couldn't say what it was
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: really about because the public didn't. You know, it was
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: really about not trust that the executive in a weird way,
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: it was an old fashioned Hey, the executive branch doesn't
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: respect the legislative branch. We can't trust them to the
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: laws that we pass. They won't try to nullify. But
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: your good luck selling that message.
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: It's hard.
• 55:01
  Speaker 4: I don't know if anyone on Capitol Hill really feels
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: like a winner right now. I don't know, like vibe up.
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: There is so bad people.
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: I've heard it's super bad. And I mean, you know,
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: you hear the anecdotes. I mean that people are demoralized.
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: That should I mean, look, I assume we're going to
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: see two to three retirements a week for the next
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: six weeks. And it feels especially if, like I said,
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: we're taping before the Tennessee special. If you know, I
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: assume Republicans hang on and went narrowly win it. But
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: if an earthquake happens, A retirement earthquake could happen.
• 55:37
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't necessarily think that there'll be like immediate
• 55:40
  Speaker 6: resignations like MTG, But I do think to your point
• 55:42
  Speaker 6: that people are just gonna be like I don't want it,
• 55:44
  Speaker 6: probably especially if they're like I don't want to be
• 55:45
  Speaker 6: in the minority, Like it's miserable in the majority, this
• 55:47
  Speaker 6: will be even more miserable to the minority.
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: I'm going to just leave, right and it's gonna.
• 55:52
  Speaker 4: Be some really interested members who say, like being in
• 55:55
  Speaker 4: the minority is like slightly more fun because you don't
• 55:58
  Speaker 4: really have to like do any that, you know, like.
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: You don't really have to do you don't do anything.
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: You don't do anything, like you just show up and
• 56:05
  Speaker 4: yell a little bit, and you don't actually have to
• 56:07
  Speaker 4: be responsible for for policies in the same way. Obviously,
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: obviously they you know, they want to win the majority.
• 56:16
  Speaker 4: But I just think I think that like the as
• 56:19
  Speaker 4: you said, the you know, getting getting cohesion or talking
• 56:23
  Speaker 4: like a winner, that there is none of that, there's
• 56:28
  Speaker 4: like none of that feeling anymore among any like they
• 56:31
  Speaker 4: I don't feel like they're even trying necessarily, you know,
• 56:35
  Speaker 4: like Kristin Jilbrand. Kristen Jilbrand is the is the DSCC chair?
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 56:40
  Speaker 4: Is that correct?
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: How about the fact that no, it is, but I
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: do the same thing, Kate, Uh, it's it is Kirsten
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: Jilibrand because talk about somebody who has chosen to have
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: the in an anonymous footprint, like you know, it's like
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: she does not want to be seen.
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: She does not.
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: It's a strange thing. I'm very curious about a relationship
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: with Schumer. I'm sure it's okay, but I'm usually senators
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: from the same state, from the same party, you know,
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: the relationships, it's never usually great. Weirdly, the relationships are
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: better when it's when it's from opposite parties. Sometimes unless
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: you're Ron Johnson and Tamy Baldwin, but you get along
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: with Ron Johnson, right.
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: But it is.
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: It's a it's been really strange watching this DSCC. They
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: are I think the argument they would make, Kate is, Hey,
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: everybody hates the establishment, so we don't want to we
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: don't want to stick our head up and become a target.
• 57:36
  Speaker 4: Well, then why I pick an establishment senator to run
• 57:38
  Speaker 4: the DSCC. You know, it's bizarre to me. Because I
• 57:43
  Speaker 4: feel like, you know, previously previous DSCC chairs twenty twenty
• 57:49
  Speaker 4: fourteen and twenty eighty, some of the other midterms I've covered,
• 57:53
  Speaker 4: like there's briefit. You know, there's briefings, they're they're doing things,
• 57:57
  Speaker 4: they're out there, they're talking, and I just I.
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: Don't feel well, Rece.
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: I was just going to say, do you think if
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: you've got a question about a Senate race, do you
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: go to Schumer's office or jail a Brand's office.
• 58:08
  Speaker 6: I go to consultants. I'm like, this is like a
• 58:11
  Speaker 6: lot of times the DS. I'm gonna be honest, like
• 58:14
  Speaker 6: I found it. I find that the DS is not
• 58:18
  Speaker 6: super responsive all the time, like and I think that also,
• 58:24
  Speaker 6: like if I wanted to know something specific about the
• 58:27
  Speaker 6: Senate race, like will either go to the candidates or
• 58:30
  Speaker 6: people in the state there who are like maybe not
• 58:33
  Speaker 6: necessarily working for a candidate, but might be working for
• 58:34
  Speaker 6: the state party or might just be a consultant there.
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: That's more where I focus.
• 58:39
  Speaker 6: And I think that it's been it's just been difficult,
• 58:43
  Speaker 6: Like there there's a lot like the NRSC has been
• 58:46
  Speaker 6: hosting briefings and they've been like there's at least been
• 58:49
  Speaker 6: some more conversation and communication. It's I will say the
• 58:53
  Speaker 6: D trip is really good. I'm get into the D
• 58:55
  Speaker 6: trip is really communicated. So the NRCC, but the DS
• 58:59
  Speaker 6: I've just found to be not like just I just
• 59:03
  Speaker 6: I don't know, I just has been kind of a
• 59:05
  Speaker 6: more of a difficult relationship. And I don't know, maybe
• 59:07
  Speaker 6: that's on me, maybe I'm not doing pretty my best
• 59:10
  Speaker 6: foot for.
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: Well, we're not alone.
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: It's just that they just don't they don't you get
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: the sense that that they're there keeping their head down
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: because there's this awkward conversation happening in some of the
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: Senate primaries where there's where supporting Schumer is a litmus
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: test and which is gonna put the DS? And you know,
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: so my guess is there almost afraid to go on
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: the record about any Senate Democratic candidate.
• 59:33
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and then also like their whole they completely true.
• 59:36
  Speaker 6: And there's also I mean, I remember they Jill brand
• 59:40
  Speaker 6: I believe, was saying literally on the record that oh,
• 59:42
  Speaker 6: we're not going to get involved in the main primary,
• 59:44
  Speaker 6: We're gonna let this play out. And then I reported
• 59:46
  Speaker 6: and I'm like, you have a joint fundraising committee with
• 59:50
  Speaker 6: with Jana Mills like this is and then like I
• 59:53
  Speaker 6: tweeted that out, I'm like, this is a JFC with
• 59:56
  Speaker 6: Jana Mills and the d SEC, Like I don't know how.
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: Much more clearly it could be. And then and that later.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 6: Was like, oh, like that's not really an endorsement, like
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 6: it is one hundred endorsement if you're joint fundraising with her.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 6: And so there's just like they want to help their candidates.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 6: But at the same time that ask.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: You this race, did they start one with Grant with
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: Plattener yet or not?
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 6: They did not starve over the Grant platter I don't
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 6: think that's in the cards.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 6: And same thing in like Michigan, like they're very much
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 6: behind Hailey Stevens, but it's like they don't want to
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 6: publicly put all their weight behind her.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: Well she looks, I yeah, I mean talk about a
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: candidate that you can tell is in baseball, there's an
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: expression having It was an old expression called rabbit ears,
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: and it was for baseball players who who were too
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: tuned into what the people in the crowd were saying
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: and not focused enough on the game. Haley Stevens strikes
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: me as a candidate that's got rabbitt he or she
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: reads every bad press clipping she gets and is constantly
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: fearing she's got She's got the look of a candidate
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: running scared and and she wants to recreate the Slocktin campaign.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: And it's not going to happen this cycle. It's just
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: a different cycle. And and I could feel the pressure
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: seems to be getting durned. I think the question now
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: is at elside, she looks like a candidate that that's
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: running nervous, and nervous candidates don't win.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 6: And my colleagues Altrody and Danielle Diaz wrote a good
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 6: story about Haley Steve Is about how the party is
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 6: actually like dang, do we push for the right person?
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: Like this is like it had been better off with McMorrow.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: But the problem is that's the thing. Is it a
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: scarlet letter if you get the party's endorsement, right, is
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: it automatically sending the wrong message which is a really
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: troubling place for the for the brand of the party
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: to be. Let me get you both out of here
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: on the following and Kate, I'll start with you, and
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: that is give me a couple of names that people
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: don't know, right, now that you think will be household
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: names in Washington a year from now. You know, maybe
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: it's a member of Congress, maybe it's a uh, you know,
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: a candidate for Congress, but somebody that that may become
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: more of a household name. You know that In a
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: similar question for you Rees, but really focused on your
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: being on Capitol Hill because I think sometimes the so
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: called backbenchers, right, you know, Mike Johnson was a backbencher
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: until he wasn't, right, like, and I think that's we
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: know this happens. So give me a couple of names,
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: Kate and Reese. I want to get you out of
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: there on the same question.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I don't know, like like DC household names, but.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: I mean outside of it, right that that actually you
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: know that let's put it in another way that either
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: the Ruthless guys or the Pod Save America guys are
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: going to be obsessing over this person a year from
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: now and right now, this person wouldn't be on either
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: of their.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: Radars, right. They're to me, they're the sort of.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: The partisan zeitgeist guys, right, you know, whatever the zeitgeist
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: of the left or the zeitgeist of the right is.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: They kind of both sort of seem to tune their
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: podcasts into that, right, So.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 4: I'll shout out to someone who's an upcoming guest on
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 4: the on Notice podcast.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: That's a smart way to do it, promoting.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 4: Becca Balance from Vermont. She's a at large member from Vermont.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: She utter right, right, this is she?
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: She is?
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 4: She took yeah, well she's seat And a lot of
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 4: people see her as sort of the heir apparent to
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 4: Bernie Sanders. If Bernie does retire, will she take up
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 4: his mantle? You know, they sort of see her as
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 4: as just a potential successor. And I thought Reese's conversation
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 4: with her was fascinating. So hope people listen to that
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 4: one and tune in, and so I think she'll she's
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 4: definitely on the radar. And then someone who's a little
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 4: more I think already on some people's radars, is another
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 4: upcoming Unnotice Gus Marie Glusen can't peress. I just fine
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 4: to be just were.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: This close to where MGP is going to mean something
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: to people?
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: Right, We're not quite there, right, Marie.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: Glusen camp Perez. But the exactly or or.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: Or or MTG right, you know, so or STP, which
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: for Nascar fans, they would know Reese over to you
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: two in.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: The Senate, two in the House. The Senate.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 6: I'm going to go Rubin Diego, who freshman Democratic Center
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 6: from Arizona.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: You think his star is only going to get brighter
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: over them.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: I think it's only going to grow.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 6: He is really kind of making a name for himself
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 6: in the Senate, both in foreign policy realm and then
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 6: also with the defense video that Trump he seems to.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: Be seeking it out right, He's seeking out action.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he loves it, he loves it.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 6: And then also I think Bernie Marino from Ohio, who
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 6: be shared Brown is I think he just has again
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 6: like a good foreign policist, but also like a political
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 6: actionen that is catching the eye of a lot of people.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 6: And he I think that these two freshmen are definitely
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 6: not household names by any stress imagination. But I mean,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 6: you don't be Sharon Brown and not have some kind
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 6: of skill and stay with Rumaguego. I mean, he beat
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 6: Kerry Lake, who wasn't necessarily the hardest candidate to be,
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 6: but there was still I mean Trump on Arizona that
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 6: year and or guessing last year.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: You know the way you described Marino and I've actually
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: heard it. It sounds like he's a future in r
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: SC chair.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 6: I think that, I mean, always a possibility. He has
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 6: this just this real political wit about him and he.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: And let's be honest, he's a car salesman and I
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: and I mean this in the in the best way
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: to describe it. You know, he knows how to talk,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: he knows how to community exactly.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 6: And then on the house, I'm gonna say, I think
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 6: someone who's definitely not a household name, but I would
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 6: keeping out is Brian jack. He's Trump's former political director
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 6: in the White House. He is He also worked for
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 6: Ken McCarthy for as a political director prior to running,
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 6: and he is he doesn't do a lot of TV hits.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 6: He's not a big media guy. But there was even
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 6: a rumor, I mean, when Richard Hudson was considering whether
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 6: to try to go for EENC chairman or go for.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: An RCC his name was thrown out.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 6: He hadn't been sworn in yet as a possible NRCC
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 6: chairman as a freshman, which obviously that I mean Hudson
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 6: decided to go and the route of saying in RCC chairman. Uh,
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 6: but yeah, Brian Jack is definitely someone who is really
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 6: just a great operator. McCarthy loves him Trump. He's he
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 6: has a really close relationship with Trump.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: And to have both. Yeah, he's not going to be.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you're not gonna se him what Fox News all
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 6: the time. But I mean a lot of times most
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 6: the best operator in the house are the people that
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 6: you don't necessarily see all the time.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: Well that's that's that's why I was asking you guys,
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: because I that's all right. It's the old cliche the
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: show horse versus the workhorse exactly. You know, you have
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: those that think just showing up on Fox News is
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: the job right on others or ms you know others, And.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 6: I think someone who is like a perfect example of this.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 6: I mean Patrick mckenrick. He went to Congress being like
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 6: I'm gonna be a show horse, got some talking to
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 6: became a workhorse and speaker pro temp for three weeks.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 6: Like he really reinvented himself in that sense.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: But like I enjoy referring to him as mister speaker.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: I see him quite a bit these days. It's uh, yeah,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: it's ah.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: I see him.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 6: His kids go to school right by my house. I
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 6: always see him walking his kids. I still say, mister Speaker,
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 6: I think it pisses him off to nowhen.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: Oh so weirdly, I think he kind of I think
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