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The Copley Woods Encounter Pt.2 · HOLOSKY PODCAST

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[SPEAKER_00]: In the middle of the night, a mother is jolted awake by a screen coming from her son's bedroom.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She rushes down the hall expecting another nightmare.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Instead, she finds her little boy sitting up right in bed, wide awake, and completely pale.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She wraps her arms around him and tells him it was only a bad dream.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He looks directly at her and quietly says, it wasn't a dream.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The man with the big head came through my wall.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He kept walking back and forth between my room and Tommy's.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He wouldn't let me move.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He wanted Tommy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Those words would become only one piece of a much larger puzzle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: because years before that night, a mysterious light appeared outside a family pool house.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they put circle of dead grass formed in the yard where nothing would ever grow again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A woman began experiencing missing time, strange phone calls, and unexplained medical anomalies.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Under hypnosis memories emerged of brilliant spheres of light, silent figure standing in the darkness, and an encounter so terrifying that her own mind appeared to build walls to keep her from remembering it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The deeper investigators dug, the more it seemed this wasn't one isolated encounter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Whatever was happening to this family may have been following them for generations.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's get into it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Kyle's ready to take us down the rabbit hole that is the coply woods encounter part two.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, if you have a listen to part one, you're gonna want to rewind back and check that out before we dive into this one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a pretty, it's a pretty heartbreaking story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's, it gets,
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[SPEAKER_00]: He gets a little graphic at times.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to choose my words appropriately, of course.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But...
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[SPEAKER_00]: Be on the lookout if you have kids around.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll just throw that out there because it gets a it's a little involved later ear muffs ear muffs for the ones.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I would definitely recommend that even though like I said I'm not gonna get Graphic it's more of adult food for thought as well kind of word it But they're definitely a trigger warning.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we kind of left off in the last episode of the it you know talking about the landing and
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[SPEAKER_00]: But getting soil samples, all that stuff, the kind of boots on the ground investigation aspect.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to resume here with Kathy and Bud and how they started meeting and they began doing hypnosis slash regression honor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I assume they did some test samples first, just to make sure she was actually going to be able to do it and be receptive to it, which she did find in these little regression scenarios.
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[SPEAKER_00]: However, she was very leery of doing it about those nights involving the UFOs, which I'm sure we all understand because like it, and I've never really thought about this before.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But in reading Kathy's accounts, while she's under hypnosis, because bud puts them in the book as like a transcript.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it literally sounds like she completely relives the experience.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She will, if she's experiencing something painful, she will shake or move on the couch and like feel the same pain, all of it, and she feels everything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: which sucks because you are subjectively, you're putting yourself back into a shitty situation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if you, if anybody's seen the tapes from the Barney Hill regression, I feel like it's very similar.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just fear and pain and
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[SPEAKER_01]: And not a good experience, especially to go through twice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because it's one thing to like remember the encounter as it was, but to actually refuel the pain and refuel the fear.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's different, that's different than just remembering I feel like, yeah, because that's one thing is humans.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't ever actually remember what pain feels like.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We know what sucked and we know that it hurt, but we don't remember exactly how it felt.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And to expand on that, especially if it's something so traumatic that our brain has completely blocked it out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, it's got to be pretty bad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, because there's even cases in my parts in her regression where.
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[SPEAKER_00]: she refuses to open her eyes in the regression.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She doesn't want to see what's happening.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it gets that gnarly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyways, Kathy was even more hesitant in doing the regression in her own home where the incident took place.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But one night she was at Deans House and Kathy suddenly said, she's like, you know what?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's get this over with, let's just do this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you can assume that she felt safe with her friend there, Dan, kind of made her a little more comfortable, probably a little bit more brave.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, all right, I got somebody here that I know in trust, they're gonna keep me safe.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's do this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And as soon as they got her into hypnosis, she started to tremble and say, wake me up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to wake up now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Bud did, you know, he respected her wishes and he pulls her out of the hypnotic state.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She tells Bud that when she went into the hypnotic state, she was at the window looking out at the pool house.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And she said, her body just felt like it was going to die.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Her head started to hurt really bad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And she was just so afraid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She even said that she heard a voice in her head that kept telling her she would die if she remembered any more.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Feel your body, feel your head.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Your chest is going to cave in if you remember more.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then she started to feel cold all over.
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[SPEAKER_00]: but even noted that our hands were very cold to the touch and it's almost like these entities are realizing what is happening and it's almost like real time they're trying to influence her like do not proceed past this point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't think about that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Does think about her head or they set up some type of like failsafe system in her head to where if she starts to remember, it's just too painful to even try to remember.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I didn't think about them manipulating it in real time during her regression, but the thought of that is gross.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's gross enough that they have all these layers of
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[SPEAKER_01]: emotional fail-safes to keep people from remembering what they do to them, but to go even further and manipulate them in real time, like, come on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I believe it in this case, because as well as everyone will soon learn, they are
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you look into cases like Kathy's and the research in our refer to her often, Dr. Carl Attorney did interviewing the abductees that she interviewed, you start to see a pattern of them creating layers and layers and layers of false memories and blocks to try to keep people from recollecting exactly what happened during those abductions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: which is insane.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The fact that there's layer among layers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The fact that yeah, they they implant memories to make you forget implanted memories to make you forget what happened.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's fucking crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's crazy and terrifying.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It really makes you wonder what is going on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When they take people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So back to Kathy in this regression, when she was asked, she did note that it wasn't her voice telling her to, you know, think about it and feel your body.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She was telling herself to relax and enjoy the feeling.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She even heard blood giving directions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then this other voice comes in and tries to water off of exploiting the past this block.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She, you know, she has.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now it's noted that when people go under hypnosis, it tends to open the door a bit and allow memories to flood back in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Even though they didn't fully explore that night, it was like she created a fracture in the block, because Kathy started to have a few memories seat back in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She can remember now standing in the pool house and looking out towards the yard and seeing an egg-shaped craft with four jointed legs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She also remembers a small ball of light, roughly two feet or less and diameter moving up and down her body.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She said the light it emitted was actually painful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It made her paralyzed and unable to respond.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Later in time, bud ended up coming back to Indianapolis with work at the lived.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Here they finally get into that night.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't I guess I didn't write it down, but I think I bring it up later, maybe, but I'm going to go ahead and get it out there that it's it's creepy that she has the this memory of these little balls of light that scan her because I used to have terrible nightmares of a bar of light in my room looking for me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and we've had other people come forward on the night shift and email us about their experiences where they have similar encounters with balls of light, scanning rooms, you have that fear that they're looking for someone looking for you, but it's sort of a commonality in these
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[SPEAKER_00]: which in this case it feels like they they they sent a drone out you know now that we're now that are societies familiar with drones and what they would do it's kind of what feels like what these little balls of like could be a form of a drone so to speak we had the one was it on the night shift where the the woman saw the eye yeah yep there was scanning yeah yeah I kind of forgot that would kind of fit into this this scenario
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[SPEAKER_00]: they get the regression to work this time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All the while, you know, this would probably be her first real regressive memory when it comes to this account.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So she's extremely terrified during this encounter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Bud has to work very hard to kind of keep her calm.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She said, something, you know, as she relives this night, she's like something feels off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The hair of our arms were standing on end and she felt tingly everywhere.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's something that she mentions time and time again throughout the series of abductions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She has this feeling of being tingly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She goes to the pool house and reaches out to open the latch on the door.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She said even the door was stuck.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She was able to get it open and when she did, she stuck the gun in and said you have three seconds to give it up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: After three seconds of silence, she reached in and turned the lights on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: everything's fine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: After this, she walks back, walks to the back of the property, and there she finds her dog.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The dog's freaking out and won't come to her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Kathy says she feels real creepy, like someone is watching her from the woods.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She starts to go to the garage and look around, but at this moment, she's in her transit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It asks if bud is touching her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She's like, someone, someone is touching me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Bud's like, I didn't touch you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, so he gets investigated where he's like, how does it feel?
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[SPEAKER_00]: She said it feels like someone is touching me lightly, but it stopped now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not happening anymore.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She said it felt like something was running its fingers across my arm in a very creepy way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: At this point, she goes into the garage and clears it with the gun and everything's fine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No one's there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She tenses up, though, and says that she's starting to hurt in her head and feeling super hot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She needs to get out of the garage now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: At this point, in her regression, her vision goes completely white, and Bud's trying to
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, like little things are crawling all over my skin.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But as if she's still in the garage and she's like, I don't know, I can't see.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it feels like something is pinching my arm now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She then sighs and says she feels fine now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Her ear hurts and it feels like someone is holding her arm but I feel fine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So bud's like, if she, if she's still holding your gun, or she, he asks, if she's still holding her gun, and she's like, no, I'm just standing here and someone is holding my arm, but my ear hurts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like someone is sticking up pencil into my ear.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She's like, I keep trying to get to my ear because it hurts really bad, but someone's holding my arm.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't walk, I can't see my eyes are shut, but it's still all white.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he asked, you know, what do you remember before this incident?
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[SPEAKER_00]: She said I was looking out the door and I saw, I see this basketball size light looking right at me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then it's like the situation comes and this is real time as she's exploring this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the situation comes and the white light that has kind of blinded her starts to dim.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And she's almost resuming what she remember seeing prior to the experience.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She says the light is still there, but it's dim now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She said the light went towards the back and then up to head height almost like a scan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She said it wasn't hurting her and she remembers seeing about six dark figures in the yard.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nope.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she's like, I can't see what they are.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But she said, oh, they all got into a line and disappeared, all but one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This one says her name and it touches her own her neck.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then it's gone, she can't, she can't see anything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But after, where's your gun?
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[SPEAKER_00]: She said it's on the garage floor, I must have dropped it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She said she turned to shut the garage light off and seen it on the floor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, how do you feel?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And she's like, I feel funny, I feel sick to my stomach.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And my ear hurts really bad and I can hardly hear out of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, where's your mom at?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And she's like, my mom is standing in the doorway looking outside.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All pale like and sleepy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: At this point, Kathy, she taps out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, I don't want to go any further.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My head is killing me and she wants, I got want to be done.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So bud, pulls out of the regression and Kathy, she's like, the figures that I saw, she describes them, which has to be either a skew in a memory or like a screen
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[SPEAKER_00]: because she describes them as like bullets.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They look like bullets standing in the yard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They move because they sensed her fear and didn't want to scare her anymore.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When it comes to these balls of light, they said these objects were attached to the UFO, but couldn't move away.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Almost like the UFO was sending drones out to survey the area before they left the safety of their craft,
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's also, in the way she describes these six dark figures that have like this bullet shape, so it's going to be like a cylinder with like a oval like R2D2 kind of yeah, yeah, that's a good way to describe it and they all get into like a single file line before they disappear minus the one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: the whole depiction like that's first thing I thought of like when she said they look like bullets and they all got in a line felt robotic for something.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah well very much in the way they move they move and you know they they synchronize their movement and and I don't know it's just it's very bizar and then you'll hear it throughout her regression and her retelling of these stories
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's one gray in particular.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you ever hear me say this, it's a may not preference at the time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember if I did or not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But there's one gray in particular that she will reference to as the man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's how she identifies this one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She calls him the man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's also, we've heard cases before, we've researched cases where there are essentially robotic,
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[SPEAKER_01]: beings or drones that are sent out almost like first as another secondary like safety measure before the actual biologics come into the to the picture.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So in this case you almost have have the scanning drones and then possibly whatever these bullet creatures are before the
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[SPEAKER_00]: Consider the fact that these bull-like things might actually be something other than the graves Because what was that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What was the episode where research where the guy was hunting?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's like the robot alien episode.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I forgets When you talk about the one where he ties himself to the tree and they try to gas him in the exact same the exact like not exactly the same but the same scenario where you kind of robotic beings out there before biological beings.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's also interesting
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[SPEAKER_01]: to me that she insinuates that her mother is witnessing the abduction from the door.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This also becomes a thing throughout her interest, story where it's fucking bizarre.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is probably one of, in my opinion, one of the better documented
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[SPEAKER_00]: series of abductions that has ever been recorded because the amount of time and effort but puts into it the questions that get asked the story that gets told it is it's different.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I almost messaged you the other day when I went to the bookstore because as soon as I got there I always go to the paranormal UFO section to see what's up and in a weird synchronicity there was the paperback of Bud Hopkins and the intruders.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's dope.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I almost bought it, but I think I have the paper back in love.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you do, you have, you have.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but it, it's, it's so good, the way he does this book, and there's, I'm going to be, this is a three-parter, but I'm going to be leaving out tons of reference material that he uses to kind of prove Kathy's story, but she's not the only one having these experiences.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and it also lays out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's so crazy to me, and I apologize for getting off topic, but it's crazy to me that this case was researched years ago, years ago, and the fact that he was able to
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[SPEAKER_00]: lay all of this out that I feel like so many people, so many investigators have missed throughout the years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just even I have talked about daytime abductions, which don't get talked about very
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[SPEAKER_00]: which we've always kind of speculated, but Kathy's story proves it, they have the ability to manipulate reality to the degree of saying, it's hard to explain, like, they can literally freeze everybody in a area.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then control them, make them walk this way, make them do this, make them do, they just completely take over and override an area, whatever, you know, I don't know how big that area is, but there's multiple experiences here where Kathy comes to or whatever or she can't move.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And she notices that everyone around her is locked in the same state.
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[SPEAKER_00]: it's sucks, there's a part where she gets, she wakes up on the grass, goes to go inside, she's locked out so she calls for her mom, her mom comes down like a robot, opens the door, neither one of them say each other, anything to each other, this is the middle of the night, they shut the door, walk back up to the stairs, they both go to their bedrooms and go to sleep.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody, they don't even, they don't even have, they don't say anything shit, you know, our mom isn't like, what are you doing outside?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nothing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Here at time and time again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just that alien apathy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is so bizarre.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's just like I said, the fact of this case is so old.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it has all this ultra important information in it that honestly, seemingly has been looked over for years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know that none of this is new in the UFO community, but I feel like what took place here of this story predates a lot of what we now know in the UFO and alien field, right?
27:27
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I feel like that's the tip of the hat to bud in what he did here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
27:36
[SPEAKER_01]: And it kind of set the blueprint for form bestigating abduction scenarios, honestly.
27:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
27:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you kind of set the set the curve for UFO investigative journalism.
27:51
[SPEAKER_00]: and he did a great job.
27:53
[SPEAKER_00]: This book is fucking awesome, but so at this point the book and bud circle back and they talk about when Kathy came to him in New York, because all of the repressed memories but it's talking about how you have to be very, very careful when you are
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[SPEAKER_00]: approaching people with the regression and stirring all this back up.
28:24
[SPEAKER_00]: He says, you have to almost treat them like an essay victim, because it harbors tons of pain and trauma for these people.
28:38
[SPEAKER_00]: But there are things in this story that line up very much with my life,
28:44
[SPEAKER_00]: which makes me go back and forth on the whole regression thing because seeing my Kathy went through is a little jarring.
28:53
[SPEAKER_01]: I was going to ask if it changed your perspective because you were kind of open to it a couple weeks ago.
28:58
[SPEAKER_00]: And and now seeing that like you have to relive what you experience, I wonder if that that's the that's the scary part is that you're like it's not it's not even about remembering it's about active because
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[SPEAKER_00]: because there's sections where, like I said, bud is talking to her and in the regressive state, she has rise closed and he's like, open your eyes and she's like, I don't want to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then he like, he does this thing where it's like peaking past, they call it peaking past the curtain.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so in your mind's eye, it's like you have curtains in front of you, and he's allowing you to just peek to the side like nobody's seeing you.
29:45
[SPEAKER_00]: And so in a weird way, it's like tricking them into opening them their eyes and seeing I'm observing what's going on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: was still having a layer of comfort and protection while experiencing this.
29:57
[SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of fucking scary.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know if I can do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm into it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I was under the impression.
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[SPEAKER_00]: See I was always under the impression that when you were in the regressive state, my waking consciousness doesn't exactly remember what happens in the regressive state, which is why, I guess I always assumed, you recorded the session, which you're not in, you're not 100% in control when you're in the regressive state.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, makes me, I don't know how that would work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: after after the session is over.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, at least in the book, it seems like Kathy does.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, mind you, they could have talked about it and let her listen, you know what I mean?
30:50
[SPEAKER_00]: They could have let her listen to it and then just kind of left that section out of the book and you know, that maybe that's the case.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But if you have to actively relive it and then you wake up with that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, and on top of that, you know, Kathy, when it when it comes to this regressive state and remembering and exploring, she hits the nail in the head, she talks, you know, later on in the book how.
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[SPEAKER_00]: After doing this regression a few times, she's like, I'm, I'm okay with it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm okay with what happened.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm fine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The scariest part isn't them doing things to me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's the fact that they're lurking and they can get to you any time they want.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And she says that in reference to not herself, but to her children.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the scariest part for her, which I 100% agree with.
31:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
31:51
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what really gets her, you know, which I think we can all agree with that not the people want to experience these kind of things, but in most cases when you have loved ones, you're willing to fall on the sword to keep everybody else in the household safe.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when that gets ignored and now all of them have to experience it, that is a different level of trauma.
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[SPEAKER_01]: different level of helplessness when you're supposed to be the protector and you're just immobilized.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, not fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So they, you know, bud and catheter, they talk again and in one experience, Kathy has she was given a phone number from a four woman that was friends with
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[SPEAKER_00]: she had gone through a series of of abductions as well starting at the age of five.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Bud puts her in contact with the hopes of like camaraderie and support system for Kathy because this woman has lived it, she's gotten past it, she's a high functioning member of society and she thinks you're in bud thinks it'd be good to put them in contact.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One night, while in bed, Kathy had heard her had a weird experience, she heard someone say her name.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It absolutely freaked her the fuck out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So she called her friend and told her in which would be buds, you know, contact.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And she's like, listen, something bad is about to happen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This woman tries to talk her down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Finally, it's off the phone with her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But Kathy is not calm, so she went in and wakes her mom up telling her what's going on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Her mom was kind of the same way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And to be fair, you know, when you're in that tired sleep state, we tend to dismiss a lot of things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's exactly what her mom does.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But all of a sudden, the ball light goes through the house.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Kathy asked her mom, you know, what, what was that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And mom, and the mom was like, man, it must have been lightning.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mind you, this ball flight went down the hallway.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And there are no tail signs of a storm outside.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It shows a little sussie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Kathy ended up going into her son's room.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Tommy, who's a three year old?
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[SPEAKER_00]: grabs him, puts him in bed with her, turns on the TV and starts to dose off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When all of a sudden, her mom comes in and asks, why did you call for me?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Kathy's like, what are you talking about?
34:48
[SPEAKER_00]: I was asleep.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Her mom was like, no, I heard someone call my name and I swear it was you.
34:56
[SPEAKER_00]: At this moment, they started to hear humming noise coming from outside the house.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Both of the women are terrified at this point and Kathy's mom said And this is what I love because it's something everybody would do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Kathy's mom's like Maybe it's a truck idling outside So she goes downstairs and looks out the window and sees nothing Fully admitting later That she was far too scared to go outside
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[SPEAKER_00]: and even more terrified of thinking about looking up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Which tells you everything you need to know.
35:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So in the morning, Kathy said her body, her entire body felt stiff.
35:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Her neck, arms, shoulders, they were just exhausted.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Her mom also described the same thing in the morning.
35:59
[SPEAKER_00]: So Kathy calls Bud tells him about what's going on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He asks a few questions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, he asked about the bed sheets in the night gowns.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Kathy went into investigate and found tiny blood stains on her sheet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Clustered near her neck, or to Clustered near where her neck would have been, she also found some near her lower back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And these are like, little perfect dots of blood on the, they're not smeared, there's little droplets of blood.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I couldn't imagine being in this position, you know, and investigating, this is from, you know, from bud's perspective, investigating a woman who's been abducted, trying to log her story, only for it to turn into essentially an active,
36:53
[SPEAKER_00]: He even, but even assumed that when the investigation started, it would have ended the problems with these aliens, which is a weird assumption to have.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Almost like acknowledging it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: or actively researching it would be enough of a deterrent for them to stop.
37:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like we know what you're up to, chill, instead they're like, no, we don't care.
37:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
37:27
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
37:27
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's just weird.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because it makes me feel like bud is actively investigated people who said they were currently going through
37:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, he would have to have a baseline of evidence to assume that that's what would happen.
37:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly, which is interesting in itself.
37:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
37:50
[SPEAKER_00]: the fact that it's something I can appreciate about but is that he will he makes notes what you didn't hear but it still applies that there are in every case that he does there are anomalous things that will stand out that he will not reveal to the public in hopes that later on someone will reference it again and now he has a baseline.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly, exactly like what Valle does with the phenomena.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Which is smart.
38:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
38:18
[SPEAKER_00]: It's very, I mean, as much as you want to get the entire story out, I also understand this aspect of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're going to be professional.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
38:25
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a classic investigative work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Keep it.
38:27
[SPEAKER_01]: You hold cards to your chest that way.
38:29
[SPEAKER_01]: People can't knowingly replicate them.
38:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
38:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then if you come across them again, now you have a pattern.
38:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Now you have a motorcycle or an eye.
38:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
38:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Starting to put the pieces together.
38:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
38:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Which is smart.
38:44
[SPEAKER_01]: the fact that this, anytime these things show up, elicit so much fear in that family, like you said, don't look up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Tells you, like you hit the nail head.
38:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Tells you everything you need to know.
38:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
38:59
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's cases like these that I want the pro extraterrestrial people,
39:09
[SPEAKER_01]: to just try and explain to me how these things are good.
39:15
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it gets way fucking crazy.
39:18
[SPEAKER_01]: The floor is yours.
39:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Tell me about love and light when this woman is too afraid to look up into the sky because of what's been happening.
39:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it gets, it gets crazy or two.
39:32
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's weird because like, it is, like, it is to that point that what's the you've just talked about because it's gonna come to a head in the final episode where it's a conundrum.
39:47
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a conundrum, I'll leave it there.
39:49
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a conundrum, I think everybody will be conflicted.
39:53
[SPEAKER_00]: So, as with most books, we kind of bounce back and forth, and at this point, bud gets into cavities, medical conditions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She's had a lot of bounce with bad health throughout her life, which is bizarre considering the circumstances, but something that also stands out to me, and it should stand out to everyone who has, who has less time from the beginning of our journey.
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[SPEAKER_00]: as a young teenager, Kathy noticed a small bump on the front of her shin bone around movable object just below the skin.
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[SPEAKER_00]: During one of her doctor's visits, she pointed it out.
40:30
[SPEAKER_00]: He said it was nothing more than a cyst, and he's like, I'm going to inject it with something to try to dissolve it, and as he sticks the needle in, the needle ends up breaking.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's not a good sign.
40:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Not a good sign at all.
40:45
[SPEAKER_00]: So he's still kind of like shrugs it off, like whatever it must be couchified or or whatever the case may be.
40:52
[SPEAKER_00]: But it later on, Kathy shows up at the hospital because she needs her gallbladder removed and the docs like, hey, you know what?
41:01
[SPEAKER_00]: While we have you out for your gallbladder removal, we'll go ahead and remove the object in your shin.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No big deal, right?
41:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Hell yeah, two for one special.
41:10
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, which is a good fucking doctor that
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[SPEAKER_00]: Regardless though, the surgery goes well, but when she's in recovery, Dr. comes in and he's like, hey, I pulled that object from your leg first of all.
41:31
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a, it was a small, classified object is how he described it.
41:36
[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, when it, when, he's like, when I pressed
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[SPEAKER_00]: and open the skin up.
41:46
[SPEAKER_00]: This thing literally shot out of your leg, hitting the metal reflector of the surgical lamp above me.
41:56
[SPEAKER_00]: And somehow he was able to like stick his hand out, probably as a reaction and catch it.
42:04
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they never.
42:07
[SPEAKER_00]: And like in most of these weird fucking
42:12
[SPEAKER_00]: They never really do investigation into what, like they just literally are like, yes, weird, classified object, flew out of your leg, what ifs, we'll throw it down the drain.
42:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we got it out.
42:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't worry about it.
42:25
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to throw it in the garbage.
42:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Another medical mystery of Kathy was something that would haunt her forever and come full circle later on.
42:37
[SPEAKER_00]: So keep this in mind.
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[SPEAKER_00]: 1978.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She finds her husband to be, said to be married, didn't take long for Kathy to realize she was pregnant, to which she was allated as most people are.
42:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Husband allated.
42:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Kathy even went as far as to get blood and urine analysis done, which both confirmed she's pregnant.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So she's having a baby.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Congratulations, right?
43:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Her body even begins to go through the changes until one day she wakes up with what appeared to be a normal menstrual flow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Her mother is sure, or everything's fine.
43:28
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't freak out.
43:29
[SPEAKER_00]: It's good.
43:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Go to the doctor, get checked up.
43:34
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure everything's just going to be great.
43:36
[SPEAKER_00]: Some Kathy ends up going to the doctor just to make sure she goes in and her fears are confirmed.
43:45
[SPEAKER_00]: She's no longer pregnant.
43:48
[SPEAKER_00]: There were no other signs that anything had gone wrong, even her doctor is confused by the situation.
43:59
[SPEAKER_00]: So life goes on, Kathy moves on, gets married.
44:05
[SPEAKER_00]: She ends up having two sons, Robby and Tommy, which we've talked about a little bit, you know, Tommy being born with the, you know, he can't speak, stuff like that.
44:18
[SPEAKER_00]: During Kathy's first hypnosis sessions, they started to explore one of Kathy's dreams in regards to these little beings.
44:26
[SPEAKER_00]: They visited one where she was standing in the kitchen by the sink, when she all of a sudden began to feel herself floating.
44:37
[SPEAKER_00]: then she seemed to be lying down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She started to feel like she was being touched and examined.
44:44
[SPEAKER_00]: At this point, she starts to move and discover discomfort in real time because she was remembering two probes being pushed up her nostrils.
44:56
[SPEAKER_00]: She said it hurt when they broke through the region of her sinuses.
45:01
[SPEAKER_00]: And in real time, as she's experiencing this, she keeps clearing her throat because she remembers fluid going down her throat, so in real time she's clearing it.
45:16
[SPEAKER_00]: She said she could taste something going down in her throat almost like blood.
45:20
[SPEAKER_00]: She also remembers being pressed on her abdomen and her neck.
45:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Finally she opens her eyes and sees the gray skinned figure standing next to her table.
45:32
[SPEAKER_00]: The man's quote unquote, this is the reference, the man's huge black eyes looked down at her.
45:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing was said, but she was almost assured that she would be okay.
45:52
[SPEAKER_00]: When all of a sudden, she relieved her previous dream where the beings were at her bedside with the black box.
46:02
[SPEAKER_00]: She ends up having another regression later that reveals something a bit more interesting in regards to abductees.
46:08
[SPEAKER_00]: She went to the store to get some snacks.
46:17
[SPEAKER_00]: only to return home and get a sudden urge of thirst.
46:21
[SPEAKER_00]: Realizing she didn't have any drinks, which is bizarre.
46:25
[SPEAKER_00]: You have nothing to drink at your home.
46:27
[SPEAKER_00]: I know we say that.
46:29
[SPEAKER_00]: There's always a damn water spikket, but she's like, let me have got nothing to drink.
46:36
[SPEAKER_00]: I messed up here.
46:37
[SPEAKER_00]: I got my snacks, but I didn't get my diapepsy.
46:40
[SPEAKER_00]: I go back.
46:42
[SPEAKER_00]: So she leaves, has back to the store, only to witness something strange in the sky.
46:49
[SPEAKER_00]: She returns home, moves on.
46:51
[SPEAKER_00]: However, under regression, she learns that once again, she's abducted and she's told something.
46:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Something that she didn't want to remember and they couldn't get it out during the regression.
47:02
[SPEAKER_00]: So something buried so deep in behind the walls,
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[SPEAKER_00]: they were unable to extract what she was told.
47:10
[SPEAKER_00]: But the idea was that she didn't need to return to the store for anything.
47:14
[SPEAKER_00]: What happened is she had this extreme urge of thirst to almost lure her back out to end up having this missing time that lasted about 30 minutes.
47:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Furthermore,
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I guess I didn't write down, but she remembers going to the store and talking to a clerk, which did not happen.
47:46
[SPEAKER_01]: You were talking to an alien.
47:48
[SPEAKER_00]: You were talking to an alien.
47:51
[SPEAKER_00]: You were talking to an alien.
47:54
[SPEAKER_01]: It's, it's top tier manipulation.
48:00
[SPEAKER_01]: You hear, if you look into this side of the phenomena of alien abduction, especially the not so good, not so pretty side, you hear this over and over and over again.
48:16
[SPEAKER_01]: where they manipulate your reality, they manipulate the way you feel, they manipulate all of this stuff.
48:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, I always referenced Carla Turner's case, because she was in my eye, she was leading the charge in proving that
48:37
[SPEAKER_01]: these beings had less than wholesome intentions with humans, and you hear cases where these entities would pose as dead loved ones, which would cause a sense of comfort over people.
48:55
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, there was an old woman who saw her dead husband, the dead grandfather, essentially.
49:01
[SPEAKER_01]: And it caused a wave of comfort because he was like, do you know, come with me?
49:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Come with me.
49:07
[SPEAKER_01]: There were cases where they would show up as Jesus to get people to go with.
49:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Crazy.
49:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Because you hear all the time, like say, the name of Jesus.
49:17
[SPEAKER_01]: And it'll protect you.
49:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, they're posing as Jesus.
49:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, they will show up like in in male abduction cases, they will show up as beautiful women.
49:27
[SPEAKER_01]: And and they like there was one case in particular there.
49:31
[SPEAKER_01]: This man heard the woman calling his name and as he looked out in the yard, absolutely gorgeous woman calling him out.
49:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, come down here.
49:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Be with me.
49:40
[SPEAKER_01]: I got you out of being a man.
49:42
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, all right, but goes down there.
49:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Once he embraces this woman in white,
49:49
[SPEAKER_01]: she immediately turns into some sort of heinous reptilian creature that sucks and essentially attacks him to the point to where the next after he survives the encounter, he has claw marks on his skin from whatever the creature was posing as essentially the woman in white.
50:15
[SPEAKER_01]: like it's a it's a commonality in these things that they will use things familiar to us things that comfort us to draw us out into into these scenarios which is bizarre to me because if they can manipulate reality why do they need to draw us out?
50:35
[SPEAKER_00]: They can just they can just
50:41
[SPEAKER_01]: It's almost like there's a subconscious consent in some of these cases where like they won't get you to say, yeah, I'll go with you as this bulbous headed robot mantis reptilian being.
50:57
[SPEAKER_01]: But if it shows up as your dead loved one, you're going to be like, yeah, go with sure shows up as a beautiful woman.
51:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'll go with you.
51:04
[SPEAKER_00]: It's almost like the idea of the vampire.
51:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like and buy it in.
51:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, but some cases it's not.
51:10
[SPEAKER_01]: It's almost like you're dealing with like a bunch of different entities and beings that play by different rules and I don't know.
51:21
[SPEAKER_00]: It is strange.
51:23
[SPEAKER_00]: It is and it's strange like the way you just talked about because they're like the conclusion of this and I'm pretty much going to stop here.
51:37
[SPEAKER_00]: her ending with the convenience store encounter in the next episode by the end of it what you said is going to kind of resonate because it gets to a point where despite what like his Kathy Kathy goes through the gambit of emotion she's sad she's terrified and then
52:07
[SPEAKER_00]: And what is what is crazy, there's a particular thing that we're not going to get into in this episode because it's such a high crux of the next one.
52:17
[SPEAKER_00]: But she is so laser focused on this one aspect, which is it's big of her abduction, that she completely doesn't give a fuck about any of the outside of it.
52:35
[SPEAKER_00]: doesn't care like she she she she I will tell you that she this describes coming in contact with one of them and she's instantly flooded with emotions sadness loneliness happiness like everything all of it just runs through her and she's she's confused but at the same time she almost convinces herself this is what they're feeling.
53:03
[SPEAKER_00]: they're feeling this.
53:05
[SPEAKER_00]: They have a motion, but they don't use it.
53:08
[SPEAKER_01]: That's interesting.
53:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it's just kind of crazy, because it kind of floored me whenever I can't remember the exact way it was playing out, but Bud is questioning her, and she dismisses
53:28
[SPEAKER_00]: everything.
53:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Everything he's asking, and she's just so like, and this is during her regression, he's like, he's asking, you're like, hey, you know, what does this look like?
53:37
[SPEAKER_00]: Or what are they saying to you?
53:39
[SPEAKER_00]: And like, she disregards everything and just focuses on this one aspect.
53:47
[SPEAKER_00]: And she does not get away from.
53:48
[SPEAKER_00]: She's like, I don't give a fuck about anything else.
53:51
[SPEAKER_00]: This is what I'm here for.
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[SPEAKER_00]: These are the answers that I want.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't care what answers you want.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm moving forward with this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's almost like they're using her empathy against her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It could be, it could be she.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She comes out of it convinced that they meant her no harm, but they did put her through harm.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And she's convinced that
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[SPEAKER_00]: What they're doing, it's like a mixed bag.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What they're doing is wrong, however, it's not evil.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're doing something necessary.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But even though she acknowledges that she's still kind of wipes the slate, like I don't really care about this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What I care about is this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they do tell her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: do teller and there's interesting aspects of this that I'm excited for everybody to hear about because this the third episode is going to be the big hammer, but there's aspects of it that are very, very interesting because they allude to specific things and
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to give it away.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to give it away.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's, it's wild.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The way that it all plays out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And like, some of these fucking stories that she has are crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they're, like I said, and I can't even get into some reference cases that are in my head right now, because it's so important to keep the third episode quiet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: you're going to have to tune in next week because it's it's a fucking hammer guys it's and it's crazy to me because they're they regress a couple more past abductions and that's what's kind of crazy that's another thing that was kind of expertly done with the bud in this book here's he does this dance back and forth like everybody does where they'll
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're exploring this case, but now let's jump back in the past and then we're going to come up here and explore this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And what he's doing is he's, you don't know it at the time, but he's actually putting the pieces of the puzzle together for you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So when you get to that end, you're like, oh, shit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, and I'm telling ya, there's an encounter where she was young in a truck on a CB radio That is fucking bananas
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm stoked to get into it because everybody knows where I stand on the on that whole abduction scenario.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think any of it's good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Anytime you manipulate someone against their will to do what you want them to do, I feel like is a bad thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think anybody is going to convince me otherwise if they can try, but also the way that like she comes out of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: talking like, well, what they knew they were doing was bad, but I don't think it was evil.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I think because of the high emotion of what she went through, she's disregarding it, because she's, she found something in the encounter for her to focus on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's what I think.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't think of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The syndrome where you have sympathy for your doctor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I'm talking about?
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[SPEAKER_01]: People are saying it now is they're listening and I guarantee it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a couple that I get confused like much housing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's not much housing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then there's, um,
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is Stockholm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, Stockholm's in there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's almost like a type of Stockholm's in there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Where, like, you know what they're doing as bad, but maybe we'll give it a pass.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I think any in this case, I think what happens is she, she unknowingly finds her light at the end of the tunnel.
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[SPEAKER_00]: something for her to focus on, that makes the rest of it kind of a relevant and the same.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You'll understand because she finds importance in it in the whole nine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So which I'm, I don't know what it is yet, but I'm glad if it helps her, makes sense of,
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[SPEAKER_01]: all of her encounters than I'm happy for it because the clearly the trauma that's come with with this is extreme.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So she can she can find some sort of solace.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm for it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's uh, it's interesting, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I said, the last one, the last up so officially you're hearing it the last episode is going to be the one with the graphic content.
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[SPEAKER_00]: yeah so before before we get there next week yeah this is your trigger warning which we will also trigger warning next week but yeah i couldn't quite remember if this one bled into it quite yet because i wrote like 7500 words and i didn't usually split them up into two separate files but i didn't because i just was just going hard and uh i was just kind of free ball on a stopping point but
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[SPEAKER_00]: the next one, the next one's got the graphic content.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So be aware of that, be ready for that, especially the fact that we're dealing with a woman, I think everybody can kind of assume where the conversation goes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: but you're gonna have to tune in next week for the conclusion the coply woods encounter uh... yeah again if you if you made it this far you've already listened this episode you're gonna want i'm hoping you listen the first episode to you know how you know chronology chronology chronology works one two three you got to go in order uh... but yeah thanks for kicking it with us today hope everybody has a good work week
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[SPEAKER_01]: and be sure to tune in next week for the conclusion and yeah till we meet again stay safe stay weird and just stop trusting the aliens it's easy stop they're not if they're taking you against your will
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, there's a reason it's called against your will, because you don't will for them to take you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's not good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not a positive thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's opportunity like it is.