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"HEARTTHROB PRIEST" Flees to Italy w/ Teen Girl he "GROOMED" · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece. A so called heart throb
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Speaker 1: priest is on the lamb authorities and now looking for
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Speaker 1: Father Alex Crowe. With him a teen girl from his church.
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Speaker 1: Where are they beyond the long arm of the laws
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Speaker 1: reach we believe overseas? Can the two of them be
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Speaker 1: forced home? And how did the whole thing unfold? How
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Speaker 1: does a priest groom a young girl? A priest, I
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Speaker 1: might add, who is obsessed with demons and exorcisms? How
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Speaker 1: can he groom a young girl I have been to
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Speaker 1: leave the country with her?
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Speaker 2: I mean's hee grace. This is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation
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Speaker 1: and series six sem one eleven. Described as a so
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Speaker 1: called heart throb?
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Speaker 2: What does that mean? A heart throb?
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Speaker 1: Now, I've heard that phrase in the past, as it
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Speaker 1: has referred to movie stars and matinee idols, but I've
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Speaker 1: never heard it applied to a priest. I don't think
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Speaker 1: of a priest as a heart throb.
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Speaker 2: Now. I'm just a peace loving Methodist.
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Speaker 1: But I look at our preachers, our lady preachers, our
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Speaker 1: male preachers as kind of like a spiritual father or mother,
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Speaker 1: or sister or brother. I don't really think of them
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Speaker 1: as a heart throb. Now that's a whole psychopathy in itself.
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Speaker 1: But let's just get down to this case and let's
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Speaker 1: start with our friends at WPM.
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Speaker 3: I listen, Crow short stint with a Catholic church has
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Speaker 3: gone from interesting to possibly criminal. According to the District
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Speaker 3: Attorney's office, the priest and a recent female graduate of
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Speaker 3: Mobile's migueltul In High School took a trip together outside
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Speaker 3: of the country. In a bombshell statement, Archbishop Rody left
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Speaker 3: no one guessing that he has lost faith in his
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Speaker 3: young servant father Alex Crowe, abandoned his assignment in the archdiocese.
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Speaker 3: Says Rody, his behavior is totally I'm becoming of a priest.
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Speaker 1: I'm becoming I may have another word for it, but
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Speaker 1: I've got to find out more facts.
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Speaker 2: Joining me an all star panel.
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Speaker 1: But first I'm going to go to Kyle Hamrick, reporter
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Speaker 1: for the lan yap Nees Mobile Alabama. Kyle, thank you
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Speaker 1: for being with us. Now, listen, I know the girl
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Speaker 1: has just turned eighteen, but from what I can understand,
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Speaker 1: his so called grooming of her started when she was
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Speaker 1: much younger.
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Speaker 2: Just where is he right now? And is the girl
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Speaker 2: with him.
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Speaker 4: From what I understand, from what sources have told me,
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Speaker 4: Crowe and the young woman who recently graduated from high
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Speaker 4: school are.
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Speaker 2: In Italy, oh Dear Lord in Heaven.
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Speaker 4: Not exactly sure sure where, but that is where they
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Speaker 4: are now. And sources have also told me that they
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Speaker 4: think this relationship might have started before she graduated hot
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Speaker 4: high school.
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Speaker 2: And I don't like it.
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Speaker 1: I don't like it one bit. As a matter of fact.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen now to our friends at Fox ten.
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Speaker 5: Investigators found a love letter the priest wrote the teen
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Speaker 5: on Valentine's Day this year while she was still a
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Speaker 5: high school student.
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Speaker 6: That really changed our perspective on how we're looking at
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Speaker 6: the case.
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Speaker 5: Mobile County Sheriff Paul Birch is talking about a love
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Speaker 5: letter between defroct priest Alex Crowe and a former mcguiltool
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Speaker 5: and high school student that his investigators have uncovered.
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Speaker 6: Clearly, there was some kind of relationship other than a
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Speaker 6: priest and a student.
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Speaker 1: Let me understand this a love letter written by the
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Speaker 1: priest to a teen girl on Valentine's Day this year
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Speaker 1: while she's still a high school student.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's just get right down to it.
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Speaker 1: Anna Sonoda joining me, child grooming expert, clinical social worker,
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Speaker 1: author of Duck Duck Groom Understanding How a child becomes
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Speaker 1: a target, and you can find her at Annasinoda dot com.
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Speaker 2: Anna Listen.
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Speaker 1: It's bad enough when an adult grooms a child for
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Speaker 1: illicit purposes, But in my mind, it's even worse when
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Speaker 1: a pastor, a preacher, a church worker grooms the child.
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Speaker 1: It's bad enough when a school teacher or a principal
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Speaker 1: grooms a child for illicit reasons. What is a priest
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Speaker 1: doing writing a love letter on Valentine's Day to.
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Speaker 2: A little girl in high school. I'll tell you what
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Speaker 2: you know I have, Steve.
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Speaker 1: Have you ever seen those cartoons when the character gets
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Speaker 1: mad and esteem comes out of the That's how I
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Speaker 1: feel right now because I'm thinking about my children, John,
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Speaker 1: David and Lucy. If I got hold of a letter
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Speaker 1: by a pastor, a love letter to them while they're
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Speaker 1: in high school, Oh h E double Lno, Nancy.
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Speaker 7: This is an example of how sexual predators, when their
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Speaker 7: groom and kids are going to do one of two things.
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Speaker 7: They're either going to relate or they're going to elevate.
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Speaker 7: So when I say relate, I mean they're going to
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Speaker 7: act like a kid. They're going to believe that they're
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Speaker 7: a peer of that child, or they're going to elevate,
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Speaker 7: which means they're going to treat that kid like they're
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Speaker 7: more mature, possibly like an equal adult. And in this case,
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Speaker 7: the love letter is certainly an example of him trying
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Speaker 7: to relate as a romantic interest to her.
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Speaker 1: Just trying to take this all in. You know, I
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Speaker 1: want you to take a look at him. He's been
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Speaker 1: called a so called heart throb. Heart throb joining us
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Speaker 1: right now is a special guest, Sheriff Paul Birch the Mobile,
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Speaker 1: Alabama Sheriff. I want to thank you so much, Sheriff
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Speaker 1: for being with us. Your neck of the woods is
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Speaker 1: especially dear to me. My father was from hay Coda, Alabama,
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Speaker 1: which is near Enterprise, which is near Aught, which is
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Speaker 1: near Mobile. That's how I have to explain with everybody,
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Speaker 1: so thank you, Sheriff Firus for being with us. What
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Speaker 1: in the hey is going on? How does a Catholic
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Speaker 1: priest start sending love letters to a girl in high school? Sheriff,
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Speaker 1: My children are fifteen, about to turn sixteen. This girl
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Speaker 1: is only about one year older than the twins are
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Speaker 1: right now, can you even imagine, of all people, a
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Speaker 1: Catholic priest writing love letters to a little girl?
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Speaker 6: Is you know, somewhat of a bizarre situation. And what
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Speaker 6: we learned is that, you know, she's not the only girl.
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Speaker 6: He's growned a couple of young girls.
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Speaker 1: Okay, wait a minute, my head is spinning like in
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Speaker 1: the Exorcist. Again, that's appropriate for right now. So this
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Speaker 1: is not the love of his life that he has
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Speaker 1: happened to found. He's grooming other girls at the same time.
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Speaker 6: Well, this is the latest. There was a young girl
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Speaker 6: that he was previously acting in appropriately with and he
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Speaker 6: was ordered to stay away from her, and she's we're
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Speaker 6: trying to get her to come on board, but it's
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Speaker 6: not exactly cooperating at the moment.
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Speaker 2: Let me guess she thinks she's in love.
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Speaker 6: This particular one does, yes, And we referred to her
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Speaker 6: as the eighteen year old because all these acts occurred
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Speaker 6: when she was a juvenile or what we're going back
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Speaker 6: and looking at, So we're not going to name her
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Speaker 6: as of yet.
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Speaker 1: Now you're talking about the current girl in Italy, we're
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Speaker 1: referring to her as the eighteen year old Okay, the
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Speaker 1: previous girl was she also a minor.
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Speaker 6: She was Actually the two are best friends and went
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Speaker 6: to the same school, same grade.
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Speaker 1: I'm so mad I could chew and nail in half
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Speaker 1: right now, Sheriff. Now, Sheriff, let me understand something. The
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Speaker 1: so called love letters and the so called inappropriate behavior,
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Speaker 1: is it of a sexual nature?
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Speaker 6: We believe it is. I will say the letter, and
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Speaker 6: you know, I want to clarify we've only seen one
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Speaker 6: the letter. Basically, he's expressing his feelings for the eighteen
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Speaker 6: year old in this letter, and it's worded in a
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Speaker 6: romantic way. But different people starting to come forward telling
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Speaker 6: us some things that they didn't necessarily think a lot
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Speaker 6: of at the time. But now you know, pieces of
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Speaker 6: the puzzle being put together. Like what we do know
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Speaker 6: that there was a school trip, probably almost two months
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Speaker 6: ago now, and allegedly she was seen coming from his
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Speaker 6: hotel room at one point thirty in the morning and
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Speaker 6: by others that were on the trip, and we're trying
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Speaker 6: to nail that down and get specifics from that. Again,
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Speaker 6: her coming to that room, you can't prove what happened
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Speaker 6: behind the closed doors, but certainly a young girl who
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Speaker 6: would have been seventeen at the time, coming out of
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Speaker 6: male adults because he's thirty years old, you know, coming
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Speaker 6: out of the hotel room is certainly something to enquire about.
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Speaker 1: You know what, you just hit me with a bombshell
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Speaker 1: one thirty am in the morning. And yes, Sheriff again,
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Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. If I were prosecuting this case, I
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Speaker 1: would have to have more I can't tell a Jory,
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Speaker 1: what do you think happened in there? Well, no, that's
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Speaker 1: not going to cut it. You got to have more evidence.
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Speaker 1: How are you going to get it? I don't know
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Speaker 1: that yet.
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Speaker 2: Time Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: Greg Algrin is with me, international attorney at the us
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Speaker 1: MX Law Group. You know, Greg, the people, the families
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Speaker 1: of these girls have to be standing on their heads
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Speaker 1: right now. And you've got the one girl who has
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Speaker 1: turned eighteen in the interim with the priest in Italy.
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Speaker 1: I mean, proving a case like this is going to
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Speaker 1: be very difficult unless you can get one of the
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Speaker 1: girls to admit what happened.
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Speaker 2: That's the only way I.
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Speaker 8: Agree with that, the victim's participation. It seems to be
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Speaker 8: impossible to get an attraction on making a successful prosecution,
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Speaker 8: So that would be key in the participation of the
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Speaker 8: girls who are part of.
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Speaker 1: The scheme unless there's something in those letters or other
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Speaker 1: letters that can prove something of sexual nature has occurred
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Speaker 1: with the girls, and can I just be very very
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Speaker 1: blunt to John Dilatory, licensed psychologist and mediator who specializes
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Speaker 1: in forensics psychology. You can find them at resolution fcs
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Speaker 1: dot com Doctor Delatory, listen. I've prosecuted so many statutory
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Speaker 1: rape cases where the victim is a teen girl underage
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Speaker 1: who by all other analysis would have quote consented, but
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Speaker 1: under age, the child cannot consent. Just like a child
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Speaker 1: cannot buy a car. My children who are sixteen, who
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Speaker 1: are fifteen, cannot go buy a car. They can't buy
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Speaker 1: a house, they can't enter into contracts, they can't buy
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Speaker 1: liquor or cigarettes. I pray to God in heaven because
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Speaker 1: they do not have legal capacity to enter into a
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Speaker 1: contract or have sex. But when you hear a quote
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Speaker 1: love letter, as Sheriff Paul Birch has described from a
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Speaker 1: thirty year old priest to eighteen girl underage, that's oh,
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Speaker 1: I'm so in love with you translation, I want to
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Speaker 1: get in your pants.
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Speaker 2: That's what that means.
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Speaker 6: Well, let me flat.
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Speaker 1: That is this share virg or delatory speaking. It's is
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Speaker 1: shareff Paul bergs, go ahead, Go ahead, Sheriff.
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Speaker 6: I want to clarify. In Alabama, the legal age of
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Speaker 6: consent is sixteen. But the law that we're pursuing this
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Speaker 6: case under, a teacher, employee of a school, volunteer of
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Speaker 6: a school, counselor cannot have a social relationship with a
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Speaker 6: student regardless of age. She could have been twenty and
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Speaker 6: it would still be illegal.
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Speaker 1: So they're in a fiduciary position like a counselor a teacher,
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Speaker 1: a priest, where you owe a certain degree of let
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Speaker 1: me just say care to the victim, unlike a stranger.
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Speaker 2: Got it, Got it okay.
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Speaker 1: But I wouldn't be surprised if some of these letters
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Speaker 1: pre date all the way back to age sixteen. I
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Speaker 1: don't know that yet, but something had to lead up
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Speaker 1: to the letter, Sheriff.
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Speaker 2: The letter just didn't happen overnight.
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Speaker 6: We're still waiting on texts, and we're still waiting all
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Speaker 6: the information from her phone, from his phones. You know,
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Speaker 6: obviously sub poenas have been sent out. We're just waiting
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Speaker 6: on that information to come back.
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Speaker 2: And back to you. Dotter John Dellatory, licensed psychologist.
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Speaker 1: All the flowery language this priest may have written in
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Speaker 1: these letters, it all means the same thing. He is
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Speaker 1: involved in some type of an inappropriate, if not sexual
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Speaker 1: nature with eighteen girl.
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Speaker 9: Bam, Yeah, it absolutely means that.
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Speaker 10: But here's the other aspect to it is that not
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Speaker 10: only is there flowery aspects related to whatever content might
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Speaker 10: be in these love letters, but he's also weaponizing this
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Speaker 10: sort of tortured soul that he is interested in demonology
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Speaker 10: and exorcism, right, all these kinds of things sort of
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Speaker 10: present himself and portray himself in a way in which
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Speaker 10: he is sort of this one person against evil that
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Speaker 10: can now draw from the good in this impurity of
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Speaker 10: these teen girls and draw from them so that he
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Speaker 10: can now have their strength. And I imagine that that's
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Speaker 10: how he's approaching too.
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Speaker 1: And a sona again child grooming expert and author of
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Speaker 1: Duck Groom, Anna, what is more attractive to a person,
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Speaker 1: much less a teen girl than the love object they
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Speaker 1: can't have, the proverbial apple in the garden of Eden,
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Speaker 1: the grass greener. On the other side, the thing you
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Speaker 1: can't have turns out to be the thing you suddenly
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Speaker 1: realize you want the most priest.
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Speaker 7: This case is disgusting, Nancy, and I want to clarify
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Speaker 7: that this occurs in all denominations. This is a persistent
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Speaker 7: problem whenever you have adults and miners coexisting and grooming
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Speaker 7: is a perverse form of courtship and it's fueled sexual
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Speaker 7: predators are fueled by gas, grooming, access, and space. So
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Speaker 7: you have already seen examples of him using grooming techniques
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Speaker 7: by complimenting, giving favors, and building in this childish sense
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Speaker 7: of connection. But we also have just learned that he
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Speaker 7: had access and he had available spaces, and if grooming
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Speaker 7: is going to continue, we must withhold access and limit
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Speaker 7: any available spaces.
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Speaker 1: You know what's interesting everybody wanting to hear this. When
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Speaker 1: my twins first went to Scout camp, I immediately thought, oh,
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Speaker 1: dear molestation murder. I have to train as a volunteer
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Speaker 1: and I have to go camp with him, which I
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Speaker 1: made my husband do as well for.
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Speaker 2: A week laying on the ground camping out.
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Speaker 1: So as it turned out, they loved it and it
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Speaker 1: was a wonderful experience for them. But my point is,
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Speaker 1: so I was a volunteer counselor and there was a
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Speaker 1: little boy from another troop I didn't know him, who
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Speaker 1: was standing in the middle of a dirt road crying
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Speaker 1: his eyes out, crying snotting, I mean wailing like oOoOO.
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Speaker 1: And I went he could not have been older than,
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Speaker 1: you know, seventh grade. And he was a frill small
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Speaker 1: little boy. And I went up to him. I hugged
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Speaker 1: him and I said, what is wrong, son? What do
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Speaker 1: you need to get in touch with your parents? What happened?
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Speaker 1: I mean, in fifteen seconds, another troop leader came up,
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Speaker 1: took me by the arm and pulled me back and said,
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Speaker 1: don't touch him. You can help him, but don't hug him.
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Speaker 1: And in that moment I felt angry because this child
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Speaker 1: was crying. All it was was he was homesick, by
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Speaker 1: the way, he had never been away from home before, and.
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Speaker 2: He wanted to go home. But they were right, they
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Speaker 2: were right, and I was wrong.
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Speaker 1: So as she Anna Stinotta was just describing, we were
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Speaker 1: out and a whole group of people in the literally
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Speaker 1: the middle of the road, but giving access alone time
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Speaker 1: to an adult and a child. I hate that's the
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Speaker 1: way the world is, but it is that should not
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Speaker 1: be allowed. I want to talk about this guy's obsession
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Speaker 1: with demonology. Then there is the other aspect, and that
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Speaker 1: is this so called father, the priest's obsession with exorcism
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Speaker 1: and demonology, and he's in Italy with this girl. This us,
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Speaker 1: this American girl. Take a listen to our friends at
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Speaker 1: wpm I.
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Speaker 3: They're afraid something is going to happen to their daughter.
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Speaker 3: Hernandez told NBC fifteen News she is with someone who
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Speaker 3: the sheriff's office considers a predator. While Mobile County Sheriff
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Speaker 3: Paul Birch hasn't used that exact word to describe Crow,
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Speaker 3: he came close.
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Speaker 6: I believe there was some grooming that's going on, and
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Speaker 6: you've got a much older adult interacting with teenage girls
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Speaker 6: in an inappropriate way.
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Speaker 3: Adding to the concern is the acknowledgment by Sheriff Birch
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Speaker 3: that Crow has shown a fascination with demonology and exorcisms
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Speaker 3: and told people he was going to Europe with a
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Speaker 3: young woman to perform exorcisms.
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Speaker 1: Okay, let that sink in. Why do you have to
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Speaker 1: take a teen girl with you to Europe to perform exorcisms?
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Speaker 1: Let me go straight out to Reverend doctor Bob Larson,
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Speaker 1: founder of Spiritual Freedom Churches International, and author of book
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Speaker 1: of Religions, Cults, and New Age Spirituality. You can find
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Speaker 1: him at Bob Larson dot org. Creature Thank you so
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Speaker 1: much for being with us. What exactly is demonology?
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Speaker 11: Demonology is the study of satan and evil and demons
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Speaker 11: of the spirit world. And there are two aspects to it,
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Speaker 11: one which is the monological aspect from non Christians or
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Speaker 11: Satanist people who want to make that contact or power.
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Speaker 11: On the Christian side is the study of being able
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Speaker 11: to understand it in combat. As for spiritual warfare. Now,
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Speaker 11: I agree with has been said already, but I think
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Speaker 11: there may be a point being missed here. I would
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Speaker 11: down say that he as an obsession. I watched the
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Speaker 11: videos as the teaching. This is a priest who had
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Speaker 11: ended the Vatic and he had studied excism early as
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Speaker 11: an exorcist myself and writing about this. He knew what
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Speaker 11: he was talking about. He was excellent in his teaching.
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Speaker 11: He was Christian, he was Catholic. Everything he said was
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Speaker 11: absolutely perfect. Now if you add to that a demented mine,
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Speaker 11: and I suppose that now he is taking this knowledge
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Speaker 11: which he has, which there is nothing wrong with it
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Speaker 11: but he's somehow using it to manipulate her. He now
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Speaker 11: has another tool over her in that now he is
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Speaker 11: a spiritual mentor trying to deliver her from able. Now
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Speaker 11: that is really twistic.
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Speaker 1: What exactly takes place during an exorcism?
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Speaker 11: Well there are according to Catholic Tridachin, there's the major,
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Speaker 11: the minor, and then the deliverous exorcism. And if he
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Speaker 11: could not do a major exorcism because he and have
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Speaker 11: a bishop condotiing it.
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Speaker 1: Obviously Okay, well White White, I can't understand what you're saying.
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Speaker 1: What did you say he cannot perform an exorcism because
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Speaker 1: of what?
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Speaker 11: So in Calicism are basically true levels of exorcisms. The
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Speaker 11: highest level is a major exorcism, which is what we
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Speaker 11: usually cannote with with what you see in the movies,
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Speaker 11: and that requires approval by the bishop whoever is presiding
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Speaker 11: over his jurisdiction. So he can't just go do that
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Speaker 11: on his own. Now, a minor exorcism, of which baptism
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Speaker 11: is included in the Catholic Church, he can do that
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Speaker 11: on his own. But he can also do what's called
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Speaker 11: a deliverance, which basically any professing Christian, according to Catholicism
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Speaker 11: can do it, just doesn't have the ritualism of the
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Speaker 11: major exorcism. My point is he could say this girl
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Speaker 11: has demi, or she's seduced him because she has demus,
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Speaker 11: because he's an expert in I think there's another spin
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Speaker 11: to this that Noah has touched on. That is the
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Speaker 11: fact that this priest was an expert in the area
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Speaker 11: as taught by the Catholic Church. And I think there's
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Speaker 11: the possibility that he's using his extensive knowledge, which there's
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Speaker 11: nothing wrong with. He's been to the Vaticant, he has
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Speaker 11: learned it. He knows what he's talking about. But if
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Speaker 11: he then uses as an additional ploy this young woman
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Speaker 11: saying that she has demons and that he somehow is
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Speaker 11: called by God to rid her of her demons, then
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Speaker 11: she could.
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Speaker 12: Be highly manipulity. But he could combine his own carnal
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Speaker 12: interests with spiritualism, and this would be a very dangerous
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Speaker 12: mind trip to put this young woman on.
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Speaker 1: I just want to point out that you said he's
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Speaker 1: not really authorized to perform higher levels of exorcism, y I.
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Speaker 1: He's not authorized to send letters romantic letters to a
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Speaker 1: little girl and then take her with him to Italy
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Speaker 1: to perform exorcisms. So I'm pretty sure he's gone rogue
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Speaker 1: and he's doing whatever they hate he feels like doing.
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Speaker 2: Sheriff Paul Brush agree disagree.
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Speaker 6: He's actually been, you know, I guess banned from or
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Speaker 6: fired from the Catholic church here mobile and I'm sure
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Speaker 6: the arch diocese are involved in that as well.
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Speaker 1: I just wonder or is the Italian government helping at all?
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Speaker 1: And I'm going to go to IRV Brandt, Senior Inspector
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Speaker 1: US Marshal Service with that. But first, speaking of this
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Speaker 1: whole exorcism and demonic obsession, I want you to take
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Speaker 1: a listen to our cuts three and one. First of all,
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Speaker 1: here Alex Crowe himself and our friends at Crime Online. Hello.
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Speaker 13: My name is Alice Crewe. I'm Christian of Saint Ignatius Pearish.
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Speaker 13: I am going to be a junior at Saint Joseph
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Speaker 13: Abby's from their college. When I first came back to
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Speaker 13: church about three years ago, the first book I ever
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Speaker 13: read was The Way of Perfection. So I found that
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Speaker 13: Carla's rutuality has put a large part in our seminary formation.
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Speaker 14: Growing up in what he calls a weird home with
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Speaker 14: a lot of weird stuff happening in the home. Alex
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Speaker 14: Crowe says he would hear things moving around or banging
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Speaker 14: in different rooms, and claims that over a period of
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Speaker 14: three to four years, he suffered from chest pains, migraine
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Speaker 14: like headaches, but a battery of medical tests, psychological tests,
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Speaker 14: and talking with specialists revealed nothing out of the ordinary.
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Speaker 14: According to ale dot Com, Crowe claimed in a podcast
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Speaker 14: that when he stepped into a church he felt as
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Speaker 14: if he would pass out. Crow said a priest performed
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Speaker 14: what he described as a minor exorcism or a deliverance
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Speaker 14: prayer on him. Alex Crowe said he felt immediately better
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Speaker 14: and that started a long process with quote me needing
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Speaker 14: deliverance from a priest unquote.
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Speaker 1: So this is a guy that has had an exorcism
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Speaker 1: done on him self, a mild exorcism. I'm not sure
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Speaker 1: what the various stages of exorcism are. We don't have
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Speaker 1: exorcism in the Methodist church, and I am by no
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Speaker 1: means poo pooing it. I don't know the difference between
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Speaker 1: a mild exorcism and a more severe exorcism. We heard
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Speaker 1: doctor Reverend Bob Larson described the most serious types of exorcisms,
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Speaker 1: the type you see on movies and on TV.
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Speaker 2: But that all aside.
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Speaker 1: I'm a trial lawyer, not a priest, and certainly not
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Speaker 1: an expert in Catholicism. But I know this, Sheriff Paul Birch,
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Speaker 1: somebody sending love letters to my teen girl. There's going
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Speaker 1: to be hell to pay much less when he takes
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Speaker 1: off to Italy with her.
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Speaker 6: I agree, you know. And one thing you brought up
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Speaker 6: that we haven't really discussed his Crow's dads as a
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Speaker 6: local attorney, so that that, you know, obviously throws a
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Speaker 6: little bit of a hindrance.
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Speaker 2: Wait, who is a local attorney?
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Speaker 6: Alice Crow's dad is a local attorney.
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Speaker 1: What does he have to say about his son taking
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Speaker 1: a girl off to Italy to perform exorcisms, like they
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Speaker 1: don't have priests to perform exorcisms in Italy.
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Speaker 6: Well, he hasn't said anything. And you know, again, you know,
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Speaker 6: I'm sure he's in an odd position too, as his son.
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Speaker 1: I guess he is here if you can say that again.
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Speaker 1: IRV Brandt help me out here, guys, IRV Brant. I'm
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Speaker 1: going to IRV because I need an expert in extradition
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Speaker 1: and Foreign Affairs IRV Brandt, Senior Inspector, US Marshall Service
25:38
Speaker 1: International Investigations, Chief Inspector, DOJ, Office of International Affairs. He's
25:44
Speaker 1: an author of Solo Shot, Curse of the Blue Stone
25:47
Speaker 1: and Flying Solo Top of the World, both on Amazon.
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Speaker 2: IRV number one.
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Speaker 1: There's nothing to extra, dine, I put the cart before
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Speaker 1: the horse right there, because he hasn't been charged with
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Speaker 1: the crime yet. But what can you tell me about
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Speaker 1: this situation? I understand the two have been found in
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Speaker 1: Italy and quote they're in an airbnb with separate bedrooms.
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Speaker 1: Are you serious? Like separate bedrooms means anything? But that said,
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Speaker 1: what's your take on this?
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Speaker 9: Or Brant, Well, it's tricky, Nancy. The Europeans view sex
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Speaker 9: crimes inappropriate behavior with minors quite differently.
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Speaker 2: Oh, you mean like Rayman Polanski.
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Speaker 9: That's where I was going with this. Yes, And as
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Speaker 9: Sheriff Birch was talking about in his investigation, that this
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Speaker 9: may lead, you know, to inappropriate behavior with someone in
26:48
Speaker 9: a position of authority, and that it's possible that warrant
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Speaker 9: may be issued. It's highly unlikely that it could be
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Speaker 9: extradited from any Europe, in the country and particularly Italy,
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Speaker 9: where the age of consent is fourteen.
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Speaker 1: Okay, well, white, white, white, wait v yes, I thought
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Speaker 1: I knew you thought I knew what you were going
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Speaker 1: to say. I do know me, but I did not
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Speaker 1: know the age of consent in Italy is fourteen.
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Speaker 2: Are you sure what, Sidney Jackie? Google that?
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Speaker 6: Yes?
27:21
Speaker 1: Hee right, yes, Well, apparently Google agrees with you. The
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Speaker 1: age of consent is fourteen.
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Speaker 9: Now unless it's involved with the like as Sheriff Birch
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Speaker 9: was saying where he said, there's you know, no age
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Speaker 9: restriction that someone with a position of authority in Italy,
27:41
Speaker 9: if it's with a person of you know, in position
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Speaker 9: of authority, a teacher, a priest, a police officer, whatever,
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Speaker 9: it would be sixteen. The age of consent is sixteen.
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Speaker 9: So there lies the dilemma, what do you charge him with?
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Speaker 1: Italy is not going to help us, even if we
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Speaker 1: did have a formal charge. If they want extradite Roman
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Speaker 1: Polanski who drugged a girl and had sex with her,
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Speaker 1: a little girl in hot tub, they're not going to
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Speaker 1: extradite a priest of all places, I mean Vatican Central
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Speaker 1: there there it is, Okay, Sheriff Paul Birch, just I can't.
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Speaker 1: I don't even how to formulate the first question here?
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Speaker 1: How far back do the grooming letters go? If the
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Speaker 1: girl just turned eighteen? How far back do the letters
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Speaker 1: of grooming go?
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Speaker 6: The letter that we've seen goes back to Valentine's this
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Speaker 6: year around Valentine's Day, But we do know that, you
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Speaker 6: know they've known each other for at least two years.
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Speaker 6: You know, one question I have, you know with the
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Speaker 6: previous guest, is you know they're only owned there on
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Speaker 6: a passport, so which they can only be there for
28:51
Speaker 6: ninety days.
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Speaker 2: So I'm wondering it's smart sheriff.
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Speaker 9: Sure, I know what you're I know what you're getting at.
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Speaker 9: But with you Americans or visa exempt, but you are
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Speaker 9: correct they could only stay for ninety days.
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Speaker 1: Okay, you too need to slow down. I'm a criminal
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Speaker 1: trial lawyer. What are you saying, EU European Union? You're
29:13
Speaker 1: saying that the European Union exempts US.
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Speaker 2: Citizens from passport violations?
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Speaker 9: No, they're visa exempt, but the sheriff is right that
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Speaker 9: they can only stay in the country for ninety days.
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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, we just saw this happen with Caitlin Armstrong.
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Speaker 1: Remember she's accused of murdering the professional biker mot Marine
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Speaker 1: and over some love spat over some guy, like there's
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Speaker 1: not another guy in the world. You have to kill
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Speaker 1: somebody over him. And she goes to Costa Rica and
29:48
Speaker 1: she did not remember IRV Brandon, you're the one that
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Speaker 1: pointed this out correctly. She was not brought back to
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Speaker 1: the US on an official indictment. She was brought back
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Speaker 1: on some type of a passport or visa charge.
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Speaker 2: Isn't that right?
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Speaker 11: Right?
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Speaker 9: She was supported and she volunteered, and she waived her
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Speaker 9: rights to a deportation hearing. But what the sheriff is
30:09
Speaker 9: talking about is the ninety days. But that person doesn't
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Speaker 9: have to return to the US to start the ninety
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Speaker 9: days over. If you're in Italy and you can only
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Speaker 9: be in Italy ninety days, you could go to Germany
30:23
Speaker 9: for one day, then return to Italy and stay for
30:26
Speaker 9: another ninety days.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for giving them ideas or brand.
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Speaker 1: So prime stories with Nancy Grace greg Algrin international lawyer,
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Speaker 1: What if anything can this team girl's parents do?
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Speaker 8: I think that she's really more of the civil liabilit case,
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Speaker 8: perhaps to play out in the US courts.
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Speaker 11: I would agree.
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Speaker 8: As far as ex tradition, I would see it is
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Speaker 8: a difficult case. I mean, there's a dual criminality requirement
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Speaker 8: that is standard globally for extradition, So any type of
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Speaker 8: hopefully getting them extra back to the United States, I
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Speaker 8: think it's very difficult. Is the sort of backdoor of
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Speaker 8: a potential immigration viihilation the person deported back to the
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Speaker 8: United States. But again, given the standards of proof and
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Speaker 8: in criminal cases, I sue would be very maybe distatful conduct.
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Speaker 8: But I see it as a difficult case to pustu.
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Speaker 1: I think you're right about that. Guys, this guy, this
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Speaker 1: priest obsessed with demons, demonology and exorcism, claims he needs
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Speaker 1: to take a teen American girl with him to Italy
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Speaker 1: to perform exorcisms. Take a listen to our friends at
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Speaker 1: crime online dot com and Fox ten.
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Speaker 14: After graduating from Mcgiltoollan Catholic school in Mobile, Alabama, Alex
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Speaker 14: Crowe attended spring Hill College for a year before dropping
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Speaker 14: out to form a band playing a mix of blues,
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Speaker 14: rock and pop covers. Alex Crow and the Ultra Boys
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Speaker 14: played several venues in the Mobile, Alabama area and even
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Speaker 14: did a homecoming dance at mcgiltulan. According to ale dot com.
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Speaker 14: After working the local scene with limited success, Crow says
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Speaker 14: he was called into the priesthood, so he attended Saint
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Speaker 14: Joseph Catholic College before getting his Bachelor of Sacred Theology
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Speaker 14: from Sansomo and Rome. He earned his Master of Divinity
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Speaker 14: degree from Saint Minard Seminary in School of Theology in Indiana.
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Speaker 14: But for much of his adult life, Alex Crow spent
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Speaker 14: his time studying demonology and exorcism, becoming an expert on
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Speaker 14: the topic and sharing his knowledge on video podcast and
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Speaker 14: is an invited lecturer to students.
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Speaker 1: Let me just drink that in for a moment. For
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Speaker 1: much of his adult life he spends time studying demonology
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Speaker 1: and exorcism, and now he has a teen girl with
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Speaker 1: him in Italy against the will of her parents. But
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Speaker 1: that's not all. Take listen now, friends at Fox ten.
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Speaker 15: The Mobile County Sheriff's Office confirming today that the priest
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Speaker 15: and woman he left the country with have been located
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Speaker 15: in Italy. The archdiocese says Alex Crowe abandoned his assignment
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Speaker 15: at the Corpus Christi Catholic Church, calling his behavior quote
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Speaker 15: totally unbecoming of a priest. Meanwhile, Mobile County Sheriff Paul
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Speaker 15: Birch says, there is no doubt that this story is
33:28
Speaker 15: a bizarre case, but at this time there's nothing criminal
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Speaker 15: going on.
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Speaker 1: With me especial gest Sheriff Paul Birch from Mobile, Alabama Sheriff.
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Speaker 1: I understand the two are in Italy with no plans
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Speaker 1: to return home, despite the teen girl's parents flying to
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Speaker 1: Italy begging her to come home. I also understand that
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Speaker 1: this priest, a so called heart throb Alex Crowe, says
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Speaker 1: he went to Italy to perform an exorcism on this
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Speaker 1: team girl. He had to go to Italy to perform
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Speaker 1: an exorcism, Cheff Well, I.
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Speaker 6: Think that may have been this stated. He talked about
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Speaker 6: performing exorcisms, but not necessarily own her, but he wanted
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Speaker 6: her to travel with him. And I actually spoke to
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Speaker 6: her several times a week before last, pleaded with her
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Speaker 6: to come home and tried to you know, so let's
34:27
Speaker 6: if he loves you so much, come back and do
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Speaker 6: it right and just she wouldn't hear anything of it.
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Speaker 6: You know, her parents were basically asked to leave he
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Speaker 6: because he would never let her talk to them alone,
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Speaker 6: and I was actually sending investigators to try to talk
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Speaker 6: to her, and the next day was told if our
34:48
Speaker 6: guys were to land in Italy to interview anybody, they'd
34:52
Speaker 6: be arrested by the Italian officials. So we had to
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Speaker 6: back off of that.
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Speaker 1: Okay, right, let me understand what you just said. Italian
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Speaker 1: officials say if you touch down to interview her or
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Speaker 1: the priest, they'll arrest you.
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Speaker 6: They were going to arrest my detectives and prosecute if
35:08
Speaker 6: we would have succeeded in going over there. So we
35:12
Speaker 6: contacted our local FBI office who has helped facilitate with
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Speaker 6: the Italian Italian officials, and we hope to have interviews
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Speaker 6: with her sometime in the next few days alone away
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Speaker 6: from him, but it has to be done by Italian officials.
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Speaker 1: Who believe the age of consent is fourteen. Okay, So guys,
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Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen to hour cut
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Speaker 1: nineteen our friends at Fox ten mobile.
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Speaker 6: My understanding through my investigators that when the family met
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Speaker 6: up with them, they were in separate bedrooms in an
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Speaker 6: airbnb type situation, and the agen year old is adamant
35:55
Speaker 6: that there's no intimate relationship. Actually just kind of a
35:58
Speaker 6: bizarre story.
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Speaker 15: Sheriff Birch says, Crow left a letter with the archdiocese
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Speaker 15: saying he would never return to America.
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Speaker 1: Is he going to keep this girl with him the
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Speaker 1: whole time? Kyle Hamrick with Me, investigative reporter for Lanyap
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Speaker 1: News in Mobile. Kyle, is that true that when visitors
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Speaker 1: from the US got there, they are in an airbnb
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Speaker 1: with separate bedrooms, And that's what they want everyone to believe.
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Speaker 4: That's what law enforcement sources told me was a family
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Speaker 4: member went to Italy to see them and check on them,
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Speaker 4: and they found them in an airbnb kind of home
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Speaker 4: with two separate bedrooms. And that was the first story
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Speaker 4: for a few days, was that there was nothing funny
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Speaker 4: going on, no romantic connection. And now they are there.
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Speaker 4: The young woman is saying that she's in love and
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Speaker 4: does not want to leave it.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 1: See and a Sonoda with me, child grooming expert and
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Speaker 1: author of Duck Duck Groom Understanding how a child becomes
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Speaker 1: a target. That's what's so dangerous right here is that
37:11
Speaker 1: the grooming began. I mean, this guy's been taking confessions
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Speaker 1: at her location since twenty twenty one, when she was sixteen.
37:22
Speaker 1: The grooming, I believe began before she was eighteen. Now
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Speaker 1: she is entrenched in the idea that she is in
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Speaker 1: love with a heart throb priest obsessed with demonology, and
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Speaker 1: she's completely under his control in another country, a country
37:41
Speaker 1: that will not help the US Nancy.
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Speaker 7: The other thing that's come out in several of your
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Speaker 7: panel members is that this guy is a serial predator.
37:54
Speaker 7: When we're looking at child sex abuse predators, seventy percent
37:57
Speaker 7: of them have one to nine victims and two have
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Speaker 7: ten to forty victims. So you've already seen an example
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Speaker 7: that this guy was on someone's radar inmobile and the
38:08
Speaker 7: risk factors that are inherent in people who work in
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Speaker 7: church systems are that they are actually part of a
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Speaker 7: higher power. They're often called from from God himself in
38:20
Speaker 7: order to do their job, and there's built in obedience
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Speaker 7: and deference, and we ask people within religious environments to
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Speaker 7: be vulnerable, and in those same ways, this predator was
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Speaker 7: perfectly positioned with young obedient girls to implement a trap
38:39
Speaker 7: in order to gain access and then isolate her. The
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Speaker 7: fact that we're talking about how many bedrooms are in
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Speaker 7: Airbnb makes me want to explode. Why does he need
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Speaker 7: to isolate her? It's only because he has her in
38:53
Speaker 7: a relationship that is predatory and she is powerless.
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Speaker 2: Shareuff.
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Speaker 1: Didn't I hear you say that he would not allow
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Speaker 1: her to speak to anyone without him being there.
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Speaker 6: Correct, even with her parents, he was right there the
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Speaker 6: entire time, because I was on the phone with them
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Speaker 6: and her do through different parts of the day a
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Speaker 6: week or so ago, and just you know, you could
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Speaker 6: hear him interject. And one advantage he has too is
39:23
Speaker 6: I don't know how fluent he is, but you know
39:26
Speaker 6: he speaks Italian to some degree. And when official did
39:30
Speaker 6: show it up, you know, he would speak to them
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Speaker 6: in Italians and no one else knew what was going
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Speaker 6: on or what was being said. But most of the family,
39:38
Speaker 6: or the mother and father were asked to leave after
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Speaker 6: being there for a few days.
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Speaker 1: Sheriff, here's the harsh truth. She's eighteen now, So unless
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Speaker 1: you can prove grooming or not just inappropriate activity, criminal wrongdoing,
39:57
Speaker 1: there's no hope of getting him back. And even if
40:01
Speaker 1: you can prove it, they're in Italy. Who doesn't give
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Speaker 1: a flying fig about the US law.
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Speaker 6: I real hope is to get her back. You know,
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Speaker 6: I don't care if he wants to live as a
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Speaker 6: fugitive for rest of his life. I think we'll get
40:14
Speaker 6: to where we can get some fellow new warrants on him,
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Speaker 6: hopefully this week. You know, if he wants to live
40:21
Speaker 6: as a futive rest of his life, that's his business.
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Speaker 6: We want to get her back is the ultimate goal.
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Speaker 2: Sure.
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Speaker 1: Have you ever seen a case where you believe there's
40:32
Speaker 1: no way you can get justice?
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Speaker 6: Not in this degree. I you know, when I was
40:38
Speaker 6: told that by you know, through is through email Italian officials,
40:42
Speaker 6: you know, I'm like, well, there goes the brotherhood of
40:45
Speaker 6: law enforcement.
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Speaker 1: Well, and you know you should become familiar with us
40:49
Speaker 1: saying that we have in our home. It's a highly
40:52
Speaker 1: technical legal phrase, screw you and the horse you rode
40:56
Speaker 1: in on. I believe it's how I would put it
40:59
Speaker 1: to the Italian authorities on this one. But until she
41:03
Speaker 1: wants to come home, I don't think you've got a case.
41:06
Speaker 1: Unless you can prove through this other friend, the friend girl,
41:11
Speaker 1: or the letters or some other witness that some type
41:15
Speaker 1: of wrongdoing, criminal wrongdoing occurred, You're screwed, Sheriff.
41:20
Speaker 6: I will say the Italian officials were helpful in one way.
41:23
Speaker 6: When the parents were there. There was an iPad that
41:28
Speaker 6: both her, the girl and crow really wanted to keep,
41:32
Speaker 6: but the parents were able to convince them that they
41:37
Speaker 6: paid for it, it belonged to them. So the authorities did
41:40
Speaker 6: give the parents the laptop or the iPad, and it's
41:45
Speaker 6: actually at our local leftial office trying to gain access
41:48
Speaker 6: to it. They really did not want that to leave
41:51
Speaker 6: their hands. So I'm hoping there's something in there that
41:54
Speaker 6: will strengthen the case and get us over the hill
41:57
Speaker 6: on being able to press sign charges on it.
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Speaker 1: I am hoping that between texts, emails, love letters, and
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Speaker 1: that iPad that the parents miraculously got their mits on,
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Speaker 1: you may be able to prove the case and get
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Speaker 1: this girl home.
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Speaker 2: I feel that she's been brainwashed.
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Speaker 1: Final word to Reverend doctor Bob Larson, founder Spiritual Freedom Church,
42:20
Speaker 1: is an author a book of religions culled a New
42:23
Speaker 1: Age Spirituality.
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Speaker 2: What do you make of it, Reverend.
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Speaker 12: Well, I think there is an addition to everything legally
42:30
Speaker 12: that's been spoken about and some of the excellent conclusions psychologically,
42:34
Speaker 12: a spiritual dimension to this as well. What this guy
42:38
Speaker 12: has done is taken his interest in demonology exorcism, and
42:45
Speaker 12: he's added to that his own conflicted state spiritually in
42:50
Speaker 12: which he believes he had demons. And it's in a
42:54
Speaker 12: twisted kind of way that he's mixing sex predatory behavior
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Speaker 12: as spirituality. And I think that's part of the control
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Speaker 12: he's got over the mind of this young woman. If
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Speaker 12: he is a spiritual mentor as well as a lover,
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Speaker 12: and if he believes that he's in a superior position
43:15
Speaker 12: to do something about evil inside her. That is a
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Speaker 12: very very twisted way of looking at things, but it's
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Speaker 12: a powerful means of keeping her within his grasp.
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Speaker 1: My question is, can we prove a crime if you
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Speaker 1: have information or think you have information about this so
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Speaker 1: called heart throb father Alex Crowe, aged thirty, Please call
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Speaker 1: two five one, five, seven, four eight six three three.
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Speaker 2: Goodbye friend.