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Teen Girl Shot Dead for Boyfriend's View Pleasure · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. I wish you could see
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  Speaker 1: this woman, Grace and Sparks. She's a teen girl, she's
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  Speaker 1: just nineteen years old. She has dreams of becoming a veterinarian.
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  Speaker 1: And she's found dead, shot in the head. Wait for it,
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  Speaker 1: she's shot in the head for Hayden Burkabiles viewing pleasure.
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  Speaker 1: She is shot dead in the head for this twenty
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  Speaker 1: nine year old guys viewing pleasure. Crime Stories with Nancy
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  Speaker 1: Grace zewing pleasure. Someone gets zewing pleasure watching a young
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  Speaker 1: teen girl gets shot in the head. Take a listen
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  Speaker 1: to reporter Cole Sullivan wb I R ten. When Chaz
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  Speaker 1: Terry began investigating a suicide call at this West Hills apartment,
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  Speaker 1: KPD says he could tell something was off. Records show
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  Speaker 1: nineteen year old Grace and Sparks shot herself in the
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  Speaker 1: bedroom with a three fifty seven Revolver, but a man
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  Speaker 1: in Indiana called nine one one to report it. KPD
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  Speaker 1: says Hayden Burkabile and Sparks had a relationship since before
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  Speaker 1: she turned eighteen, and the KPD detective says Burkabilee exerted
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  Speaker 1: sexual control over the victim, causing her to engage in
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  Speaker 1: dangerous and demeaning acts. He says, Burkabile and crafted a
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  Speaker 1: manner by which Sparks would kill herself for his viewing leisure.
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  Speaker 1: Hayden Burkabile twenty nine is described as a bd SM
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  Speaker 1: sexual master his words not mine who quote exerted sexual
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  Speaker 1: control over the victim, causing her to engage in dangerous,
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  Speaker 1: demeaning acts. Now, that is according to a sworn search
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  Speaker 1: warrant Affidavid Okay, Let's just get right down to it.
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  Speaker 1: Joining me Christy, Missouri, Emmy Award winning Investigative Reporter, President
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  Speaker 1: Successful Strategies of Crisis Communications. Glenn Bard, former State Trooper,
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  Speaker 1: first class computer Crime Investigations. That's important, Operation Desert Storm,
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  Speaker 1: vet Patch Digital Forensics at pacttech dot Com. Doctor Kiindnell
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  Speaker 1: Crown is joining US Deputy Chief Medical Examiner, Travis County, Austin, Texas.
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  Speaker 1: You know how hard, how difficult it is to become
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  Speaker 1: a Deputy Chief Medical Examiner. Very difficult, very difficult. He
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  Speaker 1: is also senior lecturer at University of Texas and Texas
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  Speaker 1: A and M. Doctor Sherry Schwartz is joining US today
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  Speaker 1: forensic psychologist specializing in capital cases at panther Mitigation dot com.
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  Speaker 1: She is the author of Criminal Behavior and Where Law
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  Speaker 1: and Psychology Intersect. Randy Kessler joining me, renowned Atlanta trial lawyer,
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  Speaker 1: former chairman of the ABA Family Law Section, and author
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  Speaker 1: of Divorce, Protect Yourself, Your Kids, and Your Future. He's
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  Speaker 1: got a lot of experienced war stories of relationships gone wrong,
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  Speaker 1: but he's never seen any case like this, and you
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  Speaker 1: can find him at k S Family Law dot com.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, doctor Sherry Warts, you know there's a
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  Speaker 1: problem when I go to you before the reporter. Could
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  Speaker 1: you explain to everyone that's not into bondage what b
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  Speaker 1: d s M is. Yeah, it is. It stands for bondage, discipline,
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  Speaker 1: dominance and submission. It's a form of sexual sadism where
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  Speaker 1: the person who or persons who are into this becomes
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  Speaker 1: sexually aroused at violence, physical violence, the psychological dominance having
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  Speaker 1: somebody behave submissively. And what we know about that is
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  Speaker 1: that very often that is sometimes the only way excuse me,
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  Speaker 1: that they these individuals can get aroused. When this case
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  Speaker 1: was initially investigated, right at the beginning, red flags were raised.
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  Speaker 1: But who is this beautiful young teen girl and I'd
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  Speaker 1: like to point out that their relationship as it is
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  Speaker 1: started years before her death. This guy is nearly thirty
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  Speaker 1: years old with a teen girl that ends up dead
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  Speaker 1: on the floor for his quote viewing pleasure. Take a
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  Speaker 1: listen to our friends at wb I R ten. Candice
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  Speaker 1: Sparks shares story after story of her daughter with the
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  Speaker 1: tender heart, the bluest of blue eyes, and curly blonde hair.
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  Speaker 1: She was champion of the underdog. You know, people could
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  Speaker 1: pick on her, but they couldn't pick on her friends.
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  Speaker 1: After high school, Grace Anne moved from Cookville to Knoxville.
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  Speaker 1: She finally got the horse she always wanted. Let's take
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  Speaker 1: a listen to more of who the victim really is.
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  Speaker 1: You know, she was so excited about her plans and
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  Speaker 1: I just lost it. I fell to the floor. It
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  Speaker 1: had to be shocking. Yes, that's the thing. It was
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  Speaker 1: out of the blue. I just I couldn't believe it.
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  Speaker 1: But then I found out that there was more involved,
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  Speaker 1: so much more involved. You were hearing her mother, grace
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  Speaker 1: Ann Sparks's mother, describing her. The mom says her little
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  Speaker 1: girl had a quote heart of gold from the time
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  Speaker 1: she was a child. She loved animals. As soon as
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  Speaker 1: she graduated high school. Her goal was to enroll in
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  Speaker 1: University Tennessee College of Veterinary Medicine. Bright blue eyes, blonde,
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  Speaker 1: curly hair, and her joy when she finally got to
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  Speaker 1: adopt a horse. Mom says she had the world by
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  Speaker 1: the tail, pretty great personality, super smart, no end to
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  Speaker 1: what she could accomplish. When the medical examiner arrived on
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  Speaker 1: the scene and said he thought it was a suicide,
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  Speaker 1: Mom just didn't believe it to Doctor Kennel Crown's joining me,
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  Speaker 1: Deputy Chief Medical Examiner, Chavis County. That's Austin, Texas lecturer,
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  Speaker 1: University Texas and Texas. A and M. Tell me about
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  Speaker 1: going to a scene finding a female victim dead by
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  Speaker 1: GSW gunshot wound and immediately assuming it was a suicide.
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  Speaker 1: What would lead to that conclusion. Well, usually with a
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  Speaker 1: suicide that the scene, the main thing is the gun
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  Speaker 1: is still there. It's usually the individual's clutching it, or
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  Speaker 1: it's beside them or underneath the leg. But that's one
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  Speaker 1: of the key things. The other thing is the gunshot
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  Speaker 1: wound of entrance. When you look at it and see
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  Speaker 1: specific things that show that it's contact range, like Muslim
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  Speaker 1: impression and stood around the wound itself. Other things that
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  Speaker 1: you're looking at in a suicide situation is there's no
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  Speaker 1: evidence of a struggle. Often, often with women suicide, they
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  Speaker 1: will shoot themselves in the bathtub or do it in
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  Speaker 1: an area where it'll be easier to clean because they're
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  Speaker 1: thinking those that find them and having to clean it up.
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  Speaker 1: So those are factors that you're looking for. And then
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  Speaker 1: sometimes there's a note, like a physical note that's written,
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  Speaker 1: or nowadays there's digital notes as well that are put
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  Speaker 1: on the computer or on cell phones. But those factors
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  Speaker 1: are what you're looking for with a suicide. Stippling or
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  Speaker 1: gunpowder tattooing is when you're holding the barrel of the
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  Speaker 1: gun anywhere from near contact to about eighteen to twenty
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  Speaker 1: four inches and you pull the trigger. It's the actual
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  Speaker 1: gunpowder coming out of the gun itself and hitting the
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  Speaker 1: edge of the skin and either embedding in this skin
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  Speaker 1: or braiding or kind of scratching the skin. It leaves
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  Speaker 1: like these little dots around the gunshot wounded entrance, and
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  Speaker 1: that's one of the ways we determine range of fire.
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  Speaker 1: Usually with suicide it's contact range, so the soot or
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  Speaker 1: gunpowder all kind of blows into the wound itself and
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  Speaker 1: you'll find it about the edge of the wound and
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  Speaker 1: in the wound cavity, kind of like a tattoo where
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  Speaker 1: the gun is at in contact with the skin or
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  Speaker 1: close to the skin. Yeah, that's actually another name for
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  Speaker 1: it is the gunpowder tattoo. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace
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  Speaker 1: now I Swinging Grace and Sparks Team. Girl is found
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  Speaker 1: in her own home. It's announced a suicide, but her
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  Speaker 1: mother doesn't believe it, cannot believe. That's the entire story,
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  Speaker 1: and as usual, Mommy is right back to doctor Kendall Crowns,
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  Speaker 1: Deputy Chief Medical Xander, Travis County, Austin, Texas. We often
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  Speaker 1: conduct field tests, which means it's a test done not
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  Speaker 1: in the laboratory, laboratory, the crime lab, or the morgue.
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  Speaker 1: And field tests have been done time immemorial. For instance,
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  Speaker 1: just say you're in World War two and you're trying
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  Speaker 1: to identify a body, there is a field test. Note
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  Speaker 1: there wasn't DNA at the time, but there were field tests.
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  Speaker 1: Then here I assume doctor Kendall Crowns, there would be
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  Speaker 1: a GSR gunshot residue test where right there on the scene,
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  Speaker 1: or the hands can be bagged a paper bags with
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  Speaker 1: rubber band around them and taken to the morgue. I
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  Speaker 1: would do GSR right there on the scene because GSR
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  Speaker 1: is so easily moved or destroyed. It's like baby powder
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  Speaker 1: gunshot residue, and you very often cannot see it with
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  Speaker 1: a naked eye, but you rub what do you rub
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  Speaker 1: on the hand, doctor Kendall Crown. So with the GSR
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  Speaker 1: testing or gunshot residue testing, it's a kind of a
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  Speaker 1: sticky tab that we use to place on it and
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  Speaker 1: it it kind of pulled the gunshot resue off like
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  Speaker 1: a like placing a tape. What I'm asking is what's
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  Speaker 1: on the sticky tab? What is that substance got me there?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I can't believe it. I'm actually stumped you, Jackie. So,
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  Speaker 1: but that's when a sticky like tape and then it's
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  Speaker 1: examined and you can then under a microscope determine if
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  Speaker 1: there's gunshot residue test it. That would be a reason
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  Speaker 1: you could determine something was a suicide if the victim
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  Speaker 1: has gunshot residue on their hands, but not always so
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  Speaker 1: could have been a struggle over the gun. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: there are many ways to beat a gunshot residue test
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  Speaker 1: or to thwart it. To Glenn bard, a former State trooper,
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  Speaker 1: first class computer crime investigation, US VET Operation Desert Storm,
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  Speaker 1: and an expert in digital forensics, Glenn Barge, of course
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  Speaker 1: you've come to Saints before where you determine that it's
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  Speaker 1: not a homicide, it's a suicide. What would lead what
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  Speaker 1: would factor into your decision? What we do a lot
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  Speaker 1: of times is a couple of things. First off, when
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  Speaker 1: a person does commit suicide, a lot of times they
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  Speaker 1: research it. First. They'll do different Google searching and Internet
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  Speaker 1: searching about the best way to do it, the least
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  Speaker 1: painful way to do it, and so on like that.
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  Speaker 1: Some other times they'll leave again notes, whether it be
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  Speaker 1: in a message or some type of note left on
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  Speaker 1: at the digital information about them saying goodbye. A lot
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  Speaker 1: of times they'll want to apologize. You know, I love you,
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  Speaker 1: This isn't because of you, but I just can't be
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  Speaker 1: here anymore. So we'll look for those notes. And then third,
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  Speaker 1: probably one of the most important things we do is
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  Speaker 1: we take the digital technology to phone to the computer
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  Speaker 1: systems and we arrange your thing by a timeline. And
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  Speaker 1: what we do is we look at the events leading
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  Speaker 1: up to the point in time of the incident. So
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  Speaker 1: if the event took place and say noon, what I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna start doing is looking at noon and work my
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  Speaker 1: way back and see what happened leading up to it.
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  Speaker 1: Were they in a good mood, within in a bad
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  Speaker 1: mood when they mentioned with friends, we're in a fight
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  Speaker 1: with somebody that was dear to them. So we look
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  Speaker 1: at the technology kind of like a totality of it,
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  Speaker 1: and it gives us a way to see if they're
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  Speaker 1: researching suicide, see if they had been depressed and look
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  Speaker 1: at what was taking place leading up to the incident.
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  Speaker 1: Did they leave that suicide note or that basically apology
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  Speaker 1: notes that for what they had done? So how did
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  Speaker 1: this whole thing go down? Take a listen to Robin
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  Speaker 1: Wilhoit a WB I R ten. Knoxville police say while
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  Speaker 1: Grace Anne pulled the trigger, Hayden Bergabile is to blame
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  Speaker 1: for her death. Police say the two talked online for years,
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  Speaker 1: starting well before grace Anne turned nineteen. They say he
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  Speaker 1: encouraged her to kill herself for his viewing pleasure. Why
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  Speaker 1: did this person decide my kid needed to not be
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  Speaker 1: here anymore? What made him so special that he gives
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  Speaker 1: to decide that? Prosecutors hope to convict Burkabyle on negligent
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  Speaker 1: homicide and false report charges. The case would be a
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  Speaker 1: first of its kind in Tennessee. What is your hope
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  Speaker 1: that will come to pass justice for my daughter? I
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  Speaker 1: hope that this person gets the maximum sentence allowed to
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  Speaker 1: Randy Kessler, veteran Atlanta trial lawyer, and you can find
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  Speaker 1: him on insta at our Kessler twenty three. Randy, this
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  Speaker 1: will be the first case of its kind in Tennessee
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  Speaker 1: where he aided and embedded her suicide. It's crazy. I
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  Speaker 1: mean you can think of all the means and all
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  Speaker 1: the abbreviations manipulated murder, mind control murder. I mean, the
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  Speaker 1: headlines are going to be all over the place. This
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  Speaker 1: is going to change the law. Can you actually encourage
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  Speaker 1: somebody to hurt themselves and be responsible for it? This
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  Speaker 1: is fascinating. It's going to be very interesting to watch,
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  Speaker 1: and we'll see what happens across the nation after this one. Well,
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  Speaker 1: it's not the first time in case like this has
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  Speaker 1: ever been prosecuted take a listen to our cut ten.
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  Speaker 1: This is ABC News reporter Deborah Roberts. With no word
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  Speaker 1: from her son, frantic, Lyn Roy contacted the fair Haven
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  Speaker 1: Police Department. An officer was soon on the case and
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  Speaker 1: began searching. He wound up in this kmart parking lot,
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  Speaker 1: so next sar the corner of my eye, a black
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  Speaker 1: half two fifty parked over there, parked right over here,
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  Speaker 1: right over there. Fairhaven officer Dave Korea finds the black
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  Speaker 1: pickup truck, Conrad's lifeless body behind the wheel. He's gone,
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  Speaker 1: his life over at age eighteen. I'd seen enough people
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  Speaker 1: that were gone to realize this by looking at him,
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  Speaker 1: that he was gone, that there was nothing that anybody's
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  Speaker 1: going to be able to do for him. In the backseat,
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  Speaker 1: this portable water pump powered by a gasoline engine. Running
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  Speaker 1: that engine with the windows closed, filled the truck with
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  Speaker 1: a lethal cloud of carbon monoxide gas enough to kill
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  Speaker 1: anyone inside in twenty minutes, flat deadly as a loaded gun.
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  Speaker 1: It's immediately clear that it's a suicide. They contact his parents,
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  Speaker 1: and Lenroy learns that her son has died, and in
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  Speaker 1: that case as well, the mom could not leave her
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  Speaker 1: teen boy would commit suicide. She knew that was not
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  Speaker 1: the entire story. And once again, mother is right. Take
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  Speaker 1: a listen to our cut eleven. This is our friend
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  Speaker 1: from CBS erin Moriarty. Right away we heard from investigators
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  Speaker 1: that medical examiner found there was a suicide. It wasn't
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  Speaker 1: until they started looking at his phone that they realized
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  Speaker 1: that there was something else going on here, because on
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  Speaker 1: that phone or hundreds and hundreds of texts from Michelle
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  Speaker 1: Carter to Conrad Roy urging him to end his life.
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  Speaker 1: You can't think about it. You just have to do it.
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  Speaker 1: You said you were gonna do it, like I don't
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  Speaker 1: get why you aren't, And Michelle Carter admittedly said do it.
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  Speaker 1: She was kind of making fun of him for not
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  Speaker 1: taking his own life. I thought you really wanted to die,
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  Speaker 1: but apparently you don't. I feel played and just stupid.
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  Speaker 1: You're going to have to prove me wrong because I
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  Speaker 1: just don't think you really want this, and she kept
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  Speaker 1: pressuring him to do it. You're ready and prepared. All
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  Speaker 1: you have to do is turn the generator on and
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  Speaker 1: you be free and happy. No more pushing it off,
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  Speaker 1: no more waiting. There was one point where he actually
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  Speaker 1: got out of the truck and changed his mind. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he was scared, and she told him to go back
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  Speaker 1: in the truck. Yes, you're playing me. Why don't you
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  Speaker 1: go ahead and kill yourself? Just do it and get
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  Speaker 1: it over Go die. It goes on and on and on.
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  Speaker 1: Michelle Carter's horrible, hateful texts and phone calls to a
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  Speaker 1: sensitive young teen boy, her so called boyfriend demanding he
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  Speaker 1: killed himself. Crimes Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we are
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  Speaker 1: talking about the case of Grace Anne Sparks, found dead
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  Speaker 1: for the quote viewing pleasure of her long distance boyfriend,
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  Speaker 1: Hayden Berkabile. Nearly thirty years old. He had been in
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  Speaker 1: a relationship of short sorts with this team girl for
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  Speaker 1: years and her mom is just devastated the mind control
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  Speaker 1: he exerted over her. A little girl, gorgeous young girl.
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  Speaker 1: She looks like an eighteen year old Nicole kidman with
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  Speaker 1: the beautiful, curly strawberry blonde hair, the crystal blue eyes.
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  Speaker 1: Planning to go to college to become a vet there
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  Speaker 1: in Tennessee. Thrilled she had just adopted her first horse.
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  Speaker 1: Wanted to be a large animal vet. That's all over all.
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  Speaker 1: Her mother has left his pictures. That's it. That's all
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  Speaker 1: she's got. This won't be the first time in case
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  Speaker 1: like this has been prosecuted. Take a listen to our
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  Speaker 1: cut twelve. This is Lindsay Janis at ABC. Michelle Carter
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  Speaker 1: allegedly sent her boyfriend a series of text messages that
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  Speaker 1: authorities say were intended to convince him to take his
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  Speaker 1: own life. Her attorneys have tried twice to have the
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  Speaker 1: charges against her dropped, but now they must go to
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  Speaker 1: trial this morning. Michelle Carter, the Massachusetts teenager accused of
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  Speaker 1: urging her boyfriend to commit suicide by a text message,
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  Speaker 1: is now facing up to twenty years in prison. The
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  Speaker 1: state's highest court ordering her to stand trial, deciding Friday
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  Speaker 1: to uphold Carter's grand jury indictment on a manslaughter charge
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  Speaker 1: for the twenty fourteen death of eighteen year old Conrad Roy.
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  Speaker 1: Roy died of carbon monoxide poisoning after locking himself inside
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  Speaker 1: his truck and this kart parking lot at the time.
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  Speaker 1: Prosecutors say he was on the phone with Carter for
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  Speaker 1: forty seven minutes. His girlfriend allegedly convinced him to stay
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  Speaker 1: in the truck after he had second thoughts. She was scared.
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  Speaker 1: She told him to get back in the car. She
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  Speaker 1: told him to get back in the car. Just do it,
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  Speaker 1: get it over with, do it tonight. Listen. I've already
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  Speaker 1: talked to your family. They'll be fine. Sure, they'll be
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  Speaker 1: sad for a few months, they'll get over it and
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  Speaker 1: the misery. Kill yourself, That's what she said, and he did.
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  Speaker 1: An extremely sensitive young man was mentally overpowered. Bye, Michelle Carter,
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  Speaker 1: take a listen now to our cut thirteen. In a
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  Speaker 1: series of text messages leading up to Roy's death, prosecutors
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  Speaker 1: said Carter was essentially bullying him into suicide, texting, you
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  Speaker 1: need to stop thinking about this and just do it,
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  Speaker 1: and there is no way you can fail. Tonight is
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  Speaker 1: the night. It's now or never? What are you going
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  Speaker 1: to do? Would stop ignoring the question. Carter's lawyers argued
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  Speaker 1: that then seventeen year old's texts were protected by the
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  Speaker 1: First Amendment and didn't cause Roy to kill himself, saying
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  Speaker 1: Roy was the one who convinced Carter he should commit suicide.
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  Speaker 1: He has to fact brainwashed her to the point where
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  Speaker 1: she's now accepting his idea of this is my only option.
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  Speaker 1: But Massachusetts Supreme Judicial court disagreed, saying Carter engaged in
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  Speaker 1: a systematic campaign of coercion that targeted Roy's insecurities and
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  Speaker 1: that her instruction to get back in his trunk in
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  Speaker 1: his final moments was a direct causal link to his death.
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  Speaker 1: So she, Michelle Carter, is actually on the phone with him,
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  Speaker 1: listening like the little ghoul she is as he dies,
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  Speaker 1: listening as her boyfriend dies at her behest. You know,
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  Speaker 1: Randy Kesser, a veteran trial law you're joining me out
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  Speaker 1: of Atlanta Emory law professor Randy Kessler. First Amendment? Are
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  Speaker 1: you kidding? They actually are argued that her texts and
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  Speaker 1: what she said to him aiding and embedding his death.
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  Speaker 1: This young teen boy was protected by the First Amendment.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: The First Amendment is not unfettered, Kessler. I can't run
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  Speaker 1: into a theater and yell fire and laugh while everybody
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: clause over themselves trying to get out. Yeah, you took
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: the words out of my mouth. You and I learned
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: that first day of law school. You cannot run into
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: a crowded theater and yell fire because that will cause
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: injury and damage. That does you know there are limits
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  Speaker 1: on free speech, and that's exactly the example I would
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  Speaker 1: have used them all ways. You know that example clearly,
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: which is, you know, this is much worse than running
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: into a crowded theater and doing that. This is leading
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  Speaker 1: someone to death and pushing and pushing until it happens.
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  Speaker 1: It is not free speech. So you and I agree
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: on that. How in the world would you defend a
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: case like this, Well, I mean, it's not free speech.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: It's intense. It's going to be intense. Nobody believes that
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: somebody would really kill himself just because I say go
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: kill yourself. People use that, unfortunately as euphemism or as
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: a you know, and argument. I heard one of my
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: twins kill yourself or getting die good fly. You've never
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: heard spouses say to each other dropped dead or you know,
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: I wish you just didn't exist. People say things like that,
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: never ever believing that it would happen. So that's got
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: to be It depends you need intent. Well, guess what,
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: Randy Chaster, veteran trial lawyer, Emory Law School professor, guess
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: what a jury disagrees with you. Take a listen to
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: our cut fourteen and again, our friend Aaron Moriarty Carter
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: was on the phone with Roy as he was dying
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  Speaker 1: of carbon monoxide poisoning inside his truck in July twenty fourteen.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: She never called for help. When Roy apparently changed his
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: mind and got out of his vehicle. She even told
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: him to get back inside. Roy suffered from depression. The
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: hardest thing for me is to be comfortable in my
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  Speaker 1: own scam. And before he killed himself, Carter sent the
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: eighteen year old dozens of texts pressuring him to commit suicide.
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  Speaker 1: One red, hang yourself, jump off a building, stab yourself.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: I don't know. There's a lot of ways Michelle Carter
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  Speaker 1: exploited my son's weaknesses and used him as a pawn.
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  Speaker 1: Where was her humanity? Carter, who herself has struggled with
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  Speaker 1: anxiety and eating disorders, wept at times during the hearing.
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  Speaker 1: This is a tragedy for two families. Judge Lawrence Monez
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: sentenced turned two and a half years in jail, but
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: he said Carter would only have to spend half of
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: that fifteen months behind bars. She also received five years probation.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: Well that's a slap on the wrist, But take a listen,
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: chalk at fifteen. What Conrad Roy's father had to say
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: Michelle Carter exploited my son's weaknesses and used him as
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: a pawn in her own well being. She has not
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: showing any remorse. The fact that my son was convicted,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: convinced sorry to kill himself makes his death unimaginable. How
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  Speaker 1: could Michelle Carter behave so viciously and encourage my son
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  Speaker 1: to end his life? Was her humanity? In what world
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: does his behavior okay and acceptable? Coco is miss beyond measure.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: His family misses him, his sisters miss him, his friends
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: miss him, and I miss him. The last words I
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: said to my son was I love you, and Coco said,
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: I love you too. I miss him every moment of
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: every day. That is just exactly what the mother of
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  Speaker 1: teen girl Grace and Sparks is going through right now.
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  Speaker 1: To doctor Kinnel Crown's joining me, Deputy Chief Medical Examiner,
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  Speaker 1: Travis County, Austin, Texas, Doctor crowns this young man, teen boy,
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: Conrad Rule, died off carbon monoxide inhalation at the behest
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: off his girlfriend, Michelle Carter. How do you die of
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: carbon monoxide? So carbon monoxide when you inhale the exhaust,
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: actually your blood binds it more preferentially than oxygen, so
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: it displaces the oxygen from your red blood cells and
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: floods your system or carbon monoxide and you basically suffocate
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: or assixiate to death from lack of oxygen getting to
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: your brain an organ Is it a painful death? Or
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: do you just kind of go to sleep? So I will.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: As the levels get higher, you'll get a headache, kind
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: of an extreme headache. You'll also start getting nauseated and
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: even throw up until the point that you have enough
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: lack of oxygen that you pass out. The theory a
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: lot of people like to think is that you just
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: kind of pass out quietly, but it's actually the reality
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: is you get a migraine esque headache and you vomit, wretch,
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: and throw up before you pass out, So it's not
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: just falling asleep. There there's some activity involved in it
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: before you pass out. And doctor Sherry Schwartz forhensics psychologists,
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  Speaker 1: what kind of a freak would sit on the other
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  Speaker 1: end of the phone and listen to that somebody who
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: is really seriously lacking in empathy and doesn't have a conscience,
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: And that's really troubling. That makes that person one of
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: the most dangerous people to walk among us when you
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: lack empathy and it's not your impulse to say no, no,
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: no stop, let's get you help. That's a dangerous human being.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: And the reality is Connor and Roy is just about
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: two blots for a police station. And she knew that
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: she could have saved his life, but instead sat by
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: on the phone and listen to him rich with a
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: migraine and die of carbon monoxide inhalation. Crime Stories with
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, we are talking about the death of a
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: gorgeous team girl, Grace and Sparks, who is shot dead
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: for the viewing pleasure of her nearly thirty year old boyfriend.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: A couple of states over in Indiana, Hayden Burkabyle Chrissy
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Missourich Emmy Award winning investigative reporter joining us today. How
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: long had these two been in a relationship? Ready for
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: the shocker and she was thirteen. This was going on
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: for several years. He trolled her on Facebook and then
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: they would have continued chats on all of these social
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: media apps like What'sapp. He groomed her for several years
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: yours and then, as he's called himself, this sex master.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: The day of her death. She asked him what he wanted,
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: and he said, I want to kill you, that's all
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: I want. How do we make that was that in text?
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: Is there a record a trail of that? Apparently they
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: took video snapshots all of the conference that they were
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: having at the time of the death, and it's in
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: the affidavit. Now, wow, okay, Glenn Bard enter her former
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: state cheaper first class computer crime investigator now with PATC
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: Tech Digital Forensics. Glenn, how are we going to prove
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: this case? Well, what you're gonna do is you're going
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: to take and look at not just the one date
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: of this. You're going to take all this communication from
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: previous You're gonna show the pattern of it. So we
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: don't want to just focus on just one or two
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  Speaker 1: things said that day. Bake all the texts, all the
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: videos that they have captured and screenshotted all the communications
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: they've had and showed that this was an ongoing pattern
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: where this individual had spoken to her like this before,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: so that it wasn't a one time thing or an
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: accidental that he had this in his you know wherewithal
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: of doing this intentionally to her over and over again
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: from obviously since the time she was about thirteen years
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: of age. And at that age, to Sherry Shorts, people
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: are so malleble they can be formed or diverted to
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: all the wrong paths. Absolutely, and we can't underestimate that.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: This makes us have to really consider that Burkabile is
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: in fact a predator. He was grooming her, as Christie said,
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: and that is really the element here. They basically go
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: on the hunt to look for young victims like Grace
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: who are really high in empathy. She was doing animal
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: rescue and she was so young and so impressionable, and
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: here's this older guy who's interested in her. And that
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: grooming can can go on and take many forms for
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: a long time. These individuals don't typically lead with the
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: BDSM sex master thing on their resume. They build up
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: to that, so we cannot underestimate. So Christy, Missouri, what
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: was he doing? Have her performed this team girl performs
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: sex acts on like Sky or what'sapp WhatsApp. That's what
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: the investigators from Knoxville tell me, as they saw a
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: pattern of this type of video being sent back and
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: forth on WhatsApp. And then she asked him, you know
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: before he said, I want to kill you. She asked him,
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: tell me what you would like me to do, use me,
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: and that was his response, I want to kill you.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut four. This is Coles
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Sullivan at ten News in late September. The detective says
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: Birkabile told her I want to kill you, and he
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: was video chatting with her our FaceTime when she pulled
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: the trigger. They're going to look forensically at all of
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: the data that's available, both from their respective cellular devices
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: as well as what's available out there in the social
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: media world. Defense attorney to Scott Jones and others we
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: contacted say there's never been a case like this in Tennessee,
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: a case where a man more than three hundred miles
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  Speaker 1: away is charged with the murder of a woman who
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: shot herself. Did he create an unjustifiable substantial risk by
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: his actions and by his words. A grand jury indicted
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: Burkobile for a negligent homicide and false reporting. The trial
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: is scheduled for late September, two years to the day
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: from Grace Enspark's death. Face convict. The false reporting charge
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: actually carries more prison time than criminally negligent homicide. I
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: means you could spend two to eight years in prison,
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: so he would actually do more time on false reporting
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: than he would be and coercing, aiding and abetting this
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: teen girl to commit suicide. Take a listen to our
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  Speaker 1: cut seven. This is investigative reporter Dave Matt with Crime Online.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: Police say Hayden Burkabile and Grace Anne Sparks have had
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: a relationship since the woman was in her early teens.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: They communicated off and using messaging apps, and visited each
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: other before she died. As police look at more than
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: two years of electronic communication between the pair, it becomes
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: evident that Sparks has been talking to Berkabile online for years,
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: possibly since she was thirteen years old at that time.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: Sparks is obviously a juvenile, but Burkabile, ten years older,
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: was an adult. Randy Kesser, why can't he be also
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: prosecuted for child bees convincing a thirteen year old girl
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  Speaker 1: to perform sex acts on video live? I mean, that's
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: like a cam girl, for Pete's sake. There's a whole
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: bunch of things. And did he distribute any pictures? Did?
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: I mean? I'm sure there's a lot more there. This
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: seems like most dramatic and the most the most jury
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: appeal that what he actually he made her do. I
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: mean this is a there are probably a lot of
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: charges that are underneath this, and I think you're exactly
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: right there should explore all that two to eight here.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: That doesn't sound like enough, guys, take a listen to
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: our cut eight once again. Dave Matt Crime Online. Knoxville
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: Police say Hayden Burkobile is a twenty nine year old
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: Indiana man encouraging Grace Sparks to kill herself for his
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: viewing pleasure. Investigators describe Burkabile as a BDSM sexual master
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: who exerted sexual control over Sparks. Sworn search Warren affidavit
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: states that this control caused Sparks to engage in dangerous
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: and demeaning acts. The affidavit also states that on the
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: day that Sparks died, Burkabyle told her I want to
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: kill you. That's all I effing won to eighteen girl.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: He's been taking advantage of sexually since she's thirteen years old.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: And as I told you, I told you all about
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: the Michelle Carter case. For Michelle Carter insisted Conrad Roy
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: commit suicide, and he did, and she was prosecuted and convicted.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: And there's another case taking listen to our cut seventeen
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: and these are our friends at CBS in Young You
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: stood silently as a prosecutor read dozens of profanity filled
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: text messages that she said. The twenty one year old
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: sent to her boyfriend Alexander or Tula literally, I want
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: to bash her head against the wall. Thank go hit
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: your head on Saint repeatedly. The former Boston College student
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: is accused of physically, emotionally and psychologically abusing or Tula
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: through text messages, which drove him to take his own
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: life on his graduation day last May. The defendants abuse
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: was the awesome mister or Tula's suicide. Over the course
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: of the last two months of their eighteen month relationship,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: the couple exchanged more than seventy five thousand text messages,
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: more than half were sent from you. Prosecutors say she
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: constantly drove the talk of suicide repeatedly, texting or Tula
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: to go die, and in another text, she wrote, do
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: everyone a favor and go effing kill yourself. Prosecutors say
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: you was there on the parking garage roof when or
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: Tula jump. They say she knew he was there for
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: nearly an hour because she tracked his phone location, but
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: never learned anyone to intervene in his suicide. There's no
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: doubt about it. She's the devil's minion. What does the
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: mother of Grace Anne Sparks have to say? Take a
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: listen to our cut five from WB I R ten.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Candice says there's a lesson for every parent in Grace
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: Anne's story. When you give your kid a smartphone, you're
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: essentially giving them a plane ticket to anywhere in the
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: world world, an unsupervised plane ticket. Two years after her
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: daughter's death, Candice chooses to remember Grace Anne as the
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: girl who could light up any room. There's no end
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: to what she could have accomplished. I want her to
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: be remembered as a light. She was a light in
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: a world that sometimes was really dark. If you think
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: someone you know is suicidal or contemplating suicide, please call
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: eight hundred two seven three eight two five five eight
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: hundred two seven three eight two five five, Please act
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off good Bye Friend,