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- Lynn: and welcome to tonight's episode of AmeLynn's Corner of Chaos with hosts. Amelie: In today's episode, we are talking about Sleeping Beauty, folktales, then Victorian England and dark history times, we go into microwaves, steam cookers and tea. But that's not all. We also talk about witches, coffee, coffee addiction and how we like our people. Lynn: Silent footsteps the moor assure me that at core there's more to silence than quiet violence after the wreckage of a storm, more to the nothingness of form torn into the fabric of space. And I follow, the wet traces ⁓ the hollow, and in the dark I find the sound of my heart. Amelie: Amelie Lynn: and Lynn. All right. What kind of chaos and how do we have today? Amelie: You the kind of chaos where we prepare something but then we end up on a completely different spectrum of that topic. Enjoy. Lynn: Yes, exactly. We were actually last time or so we were discussing ⁓ one our last episodes, ⁓ the episode, and there some things that we thought afterwards that maybe we should have included and we didn't or things that were nagging at our minds or my ⁓ usually ⁓ I something in the episode and go watch it if you haven't yet. ⁓ We're talking. We're talking with our favorite other pagan, Luigi, Ostara or the vernal equinox. somehow, somehow I think it was Luigi who mentioned the Sleeping Beauty. I don't, I think it was Luigi mentioning it. I don't, yeah, because he's... Amelie: Absolutely, because he likes Disney. Lynn: That's probably he loves Disney. He's a very, a Disney, he's a Disney girl. He's a Disney princess. Yeah, and then he said something about Aurora and then I had like half a memory of it where it said that even like in the original Sleeping Beauty there was something about three children, one called Aurora and the other Sun and Moon and it was just half a memory and I didn't quite get it right. Amelie: No, not he loves, yes. Lynn: but it nagged at me so I had to look it up after. And then it got me to this whole thing about the sleeping beauty. I'm a big folktale nerd and I really ⁓ ⁓ original versions or the like most original versions of what we know, which quite dark ⁓ and and more like cautionary tales than anything that you would nowadays read to a child, you know, very... ⁓ very careful and sensitive age. But it all served a purpose. Oh, no, me neither. mean, I but I don't even like I wouldn't say that I've been traumatized by the fairy tales, although they are quite traumatizing. And I mean, I grew up on most of the Grimms and I also grew up with the Baba Yaga tale. And it's like, I mean, you know, Hansel and Gretel or I mean, like there's so much violence in these things. Amelie: Nobody cared when I was a kid though, nobody cared. Lynn: So, but you know, it's okay somehow for children. But yeah, yeah. Amelie: Yeah, yeah, I grew up with the same stories, which is great. Yeah. Not trauma. I'm traumatized, but not by the folk tales. Lynn: Mm. No, I mean, if it had such a super... I mean, I'm sure it had a lot of effect us. But for example, I'm not like if I had been so scared of like Baba Yaga and the evil witches, I mean, ⁓ lot of fairytales says like evil witches. I wouldn't have turned into one, I think. And I wouldn't have as like as kindergarten child be like, I want to be a witch, you know. But I remember that I dreamt a lot about evil witches when I was a child so in a way it did influence me I think but ⁓ yeah yeah I don't know I think I mean I love I love fairy tales and and folktales so so much about traumatizing effect I don't know Amelie: Yeah, it just didn't scare us at all, it just brought us home. Lynn: Yes, to the darkness, to the dark woods. It's like, would I have done if I'd been Little Red Riding Hood? But yeah, Aurora or the Sleeping Beauty. So the thing I got wrong was that, or I guess I should start from sort of the beginning, because the thing is, and now it gets a little bit gritty because in the original tale, obviously, there's nothing like a kiss or, you know, like this whole love story about the prince coming and kissing her awake and stuff. That is like a really new version. I think Amelie: Yes. Yes. Lynn: might even have been Disney making it up. I'm not entirely sure because they made up a lot of stuff. But one of the original versions, and I think we're like about the 16th century, like of what we know to be like for some of the first recorded versions. It's I mean, this the beginning is more or less the same, like that the king gets like this prophecy. that his daughter is gonna get hurt really bad, you know, by like flax and something catastrophic is gonna happen. So he bans all the flax seed in the country. But still there's this old woman, ⁓ I'm not sure that you say that in English, but like this, she's spinning wool or flax. ⁓ spinning flax, not wool. And in her spindle, she shows ⁓ princess and then she, you know, pokes herself with them. with a needle and then she falls asleep. And when she falls asleep, the thorns grow and all that. Everybody else was asleep in the whole castle. We know that. But it's not like actually in the was not a prince or like some brave, glorious warrior that came. It was just the one who was brazen enough and strong enough to make it through the thorns. smart enough maybe I was smarting others I know but he made it through the thorns and then he saw Sleeping Beauty lying there and he ⁓ not kiss her he saw a beautiful woman and then he did what some men do with a beautiful woman she was out conscious and he rubed if you can say that ⁓ yes he rubed her he rubed ⁓ and she not even wake up from that in the original Amelie: He oofed her. Lynn: He left again, he goes like, oh, this was fun, right? He leaves, she sleeps, she's pregnant. And then she gives birth to twin children after nine months. And it's also not the birth waking you up. Or in one story, in one version, I think it's the birth waking you up. In another, it's then the babies being hungry and trying to find like the teats to get the milk from. And then one finding her finger. and sucking the needle or the thorn, the thorn back out of her finger and that wakes her up. then she has this whole traumatizing experience of having, you know, just waking up from slumber and having these two infants that she doesn't know where come from. Right. And the original, her name was Talia. And then calls these two children Sun and Moon. So I had remembered something about Sun and Moon. ⁓ In a version, she was then called Aurora and she had Sun and Moon as children. So there are different versions, but it's usually like something about the children having these names. And yeah, but then in the end, basically this this man comes back and I think he might also just have been a hunter or something, not even a prince, but he comes back and then, you know, he marries her or something and because he felt so bad. ⁓ he's like, I two children. I am so great. So now let's marry. ⁓ Amelie: He felt bad. Lynn: I can father more. That's how that Yeah. Amelie: Yeah, exactly. And she just went like, ooh, I love this. going to marry the man. Yeah, he must have been really good looking and have muscles and all of that, you know. Lynn: That's just amazing. Yeah, but there's some... probably muscles because he made it through like a lot of like the thorn wall. ⁓ but I there's a thing about the the whole spindle actually because back in those like back back back in the days being somebody who works with flax or somebody who's well spindling that's not the word but somebody who's spindling ⁓ that was of the only it might be the only but one of the few Amelie: Exactly, yeah. Yeah, a hero. Lynn: only professions that a woman could do on her own and be self-sustaining. So one of the few professions you could be your own. And the whole the word spinster is derived from that. Because spinster also originally means like a woman who doesn't a woman who doesn't need no man. Yeah. ⁓ was then later or like made out to be like more like a Amelie: Yeah. Lynn: crazy woman or now we say cat lady or whatnot, right? But it's original, yeah. Amelie: think Espinster as well is like an older woman that never married as well. Yeah. Lynn: Yeah, a slightly older woman like from her 40s, soon there. ⁓ you know, it's just unmarried and preferring, yes, preferring cats or something. So yeah, so the whole spindle thing was a big symbolism, like the old lady being like this scary, to patriarchy, know, this scary concept of a woman who can live and make her living without any men, you know. Amelie: Old spinsters. Lynn: to do their bidding. So, yeah, I know, I found that interesting. Amelie: I'm just checking like where, what date the word spinster comes from and it's from the 14th century. Lynn: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's that's old. I mean, yeah. Yeah. Amelie: Yeah. It's nothing new. Lynn: Yeah, and the first version of the Sun, Moon and Talia thing is from the 1630s apparently. And later in the 1690s there's a retelling where Talia has only one child and she calls the child Aurora and then Disney took that and thought Aurora is a nice name. We're also gonna use that for our Sleeping Beauty. Yeah. Amelie: Yeah. I mean, I guess it would be very unfortunate if they've taken the real story and made it into child, kind a child thing. Lynn: That wouldn't fly like Disney just yeah, like none of the originals. I think I think there's a few like few newer versions of ⁓ fairy that are closer to the original. ⁓ actually Like I just read about the there's ⁓ like Red Riding Hood version that's closer to the original. think Red. I've not seen it, but I heard about it. Yeah. And I was like, yeah, I should. I should. I should watch it. I like stuff like that. Amelie: I haven't seen it either, but I heard about it too. Yeah, I'd like to... I think most of these stories, it seems like they do have, there is like two versions of them, which is, yeah, at least, but I'm thinking like a more gruesome one and a nicer one, but it also goes hand in hand with the kind of domestication that we have right now, or we had for quite a while, because back in the day, Lynn: At least. Mm. Yeah. Hmm. Hmm. Amelie: you were faced with pretty gruesome things every once in a while because you did live in the forest and there were wild animals and things just happened like that nowadays. We're just so very like domesticated and we think everything is just so gross and so wrong and so back in the day it was just normal. Lynn: Mm. Mm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it was very normal. what strikes me is really with like, I guess folktales as a big topic today. that? ⁓ There ⁓ go. strikes me super fascinating is that in in these old I mean, they used as cautionary tales and they were used to Amelie: Yep! Lynn: tell also children or people like what they actually have be, ⁓ what should be aware of or scared of because it's an actual fact these things happen. ⁓ And of the big topics that is reoccurring in a lot of fairy tales is that mother of the child now later than interpret as a stepmother. So most of our current versions is the evil stepmother, but in the original versions, it's the actual mother, the birth mother of the children. and they try to get rid of the children or kill them. Like you have in Snow White, for example, this idea that the stepmother, actually the mother, sends out the hunter after her and wants her liver, I think, and her lung to be cooked and to eat, which was a kind of a version of like it was kind of a vampiristic belief that if you eat the lung and I think it's the liver, you intake the I think the lung was the seed of the breath and so meant to be like the seed of life or the life giving thing. And the liver was a similar symbol rather than the heart. Like I think nowadays this idea is that or later this idea was that if you eat the heart of something, you inherit its power. And back then it was the lung and the liver. So her being like, give me the lung, the liver of Snow White, you know, because I want to be as beautiful as her because, you know, she is outdone me with her beauty. And that was ⁓ an actual an actual thing back then that if you were a child, like in the higher society, right? So if you were a child, a female child, I don't remember exactly how it went, but basically it's all about inheritance and where married off to ⁓ and value in the higher society was by your beauty because a beautiful person would obviously be married off to a more wealthy person, more wealthy man. And if then your daughter was more beautiful than you, there was a big chance that she would be married off to somebody of a higher status than your own husband and would outdo you in rank. So there were cases where mothers murdered their daughters when they saw that they came of age and you could see, they're very beautiful. So that was is when the Snow White, like one of the many topics is Snow White covers is Yeah. Amelie: Yeah, absolutely. And I guess back in the day as well, when they were married in the ranks, so to say, they didn't have children because they loved the husband. They were married for ranks. So I'm very sure that even though they gave birth to the child, you feel differently about the child because it was more about status rather than... Lynn: Hmm. Yeah. Mmm. Amelie: this is our love child. It was more about ⁓ this child can bring. ⁓ when, ⁓ know, when ⁓ wanted to have heirs that are boys. they just kept having children until they had a boy, for example. ⁓ So wasn't like today, you know, let's have a child as a little bundle of joy. ⁓ Cause I Lynn: Yeah. Mm. Mmm. Yes. Mm. ⁓ Amelie: I mean, when you were... I was about to say... Lynn: I guess sometimes you get lucky. I guess sometimes you get lucky. I mean, it's always like that, you know, you get lucky and you get somebody and then you fall in love or you know, not. yeah. Amelie: Yeah, it depends how the person is, but I have a feeling, I mean, I don't know, because I obviously, is just speculation, ⁓ I'm thinking like, if you had or if you were someone that had a little bit of a status, then ⁓ you probably marry to someone that also has a better status. Well, if you were poor, I think ⁓ you probably marry someone that you fall in love with because you're a bit more Lynn: Mm. Mm. Mmm. Mmm. Amelie: of a rebel unless your parents thought that you were very beautiful and then they married you because you're beautiful and someone wants you, then that's a downfall. I don't know, it's just speculation. Lynn: Yeah, maybe. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's probably it probably also had a lot to do like, obviously, practical reasons. So say if you're poor or say like if you're a farmer, then you would probably be more likely to be, you know, to marry another farmer's person like wife, child, I mean, woman, daughter, but you know, like another farmer so that your your families would like unite. Amelie: Hahaha Lynn: and you have more ground that you can harvest or know like stuff like that so you would probably not marry a smith if you have a farmer's family it probably you know and then also their children are like also a practicality because if you have like a farm you need to have people you need to have hands on deck so you produce children so these children can help with the farm work you know so Amelie: Hmm. Lynn: Instead of with the, when you have high rank, it's just about your inheritance and whatnot. But in the lower ranks, it's also a lot about, you know, hands on, need workers. So yeah, those were days. Like, when people ask like, that's a good old days. It's like, yeah, mean, some of it was good, maybe. Amelie: Yeah, yeah. It depends, it depends, you know, what it is that you want. do, yeah, ⁓ when you say this, I really do find it very interesting when this whole trend tradwives have come about. And I find it so funny because like there was, ⁓ I know if it's like this ⁓ anymore, there was a spell of women just wearing really beautiful clothing and Lynn: sure. Hmm. Amelie: being all like serene and like all made up, like baking this sourdough bread and making everything really beautiful, whatever. It was like a Tread, Treadwife thing. ⁓ Lynn: Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm-hmm. Amelie: But then like, really, it's great, a beautiful video, but it's just so far away from reality you can be if you want to go by how it actually was when you say it. It made me think of that, but it's interesting. Lynn: Mm. Mm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's so fascinating how we like romanticize the past and we don't even have to go so far back, but it's like everywhere. It's I mean, you know, mean, medieval fairs, you know, the old dress up or the Renaissance fairs, I think that are called when you like dress up in the medieval clothes and then you, you know, and it's cool and it's fun and it's nice. But and then some people like, you know, I even also, I like, feel sometimes, you know, I'm born in the wrong century or something. I'm pretty sure you also are. then I'm like, well, ⁓ wouldn't have enjoyed or who would really have enjoyed like the medieval times when, you know, there's like the smell of feces ⁓ excrement all forms and kinds everywhere in the streets or, you know, even like this romanticism. Like I love stories about like Victoria and England. You know, it's so... You know, it's like our Victorian London, you know, it's just like amazing with all the fuck that there's so many stories. But then actually to have lived there with the shit in the streets the sickness everywhere and the pollution, ⁓ smells is like the violence and the Yeah, I'm like, hmm. I'm like, probably Amelie: and the beer drinking every day. ⁓ my weird conspiracy theories in my head, I sometimes think that ⁓ this is just ⁓ that they came up with. ⁓ it wasn't like this at all, ⁓ maybe before the mud floods ⁓ all of that, we actually had electricity and we had it really, really good, right? ⁓ these ⁓ Lynn: Uh-huh. Yeah. ⁓ yeah. Thousands of years ago I'll buy it. Amelie: No, I mean, it's you look at a Nicholas Tesla, for example, it's that he just uncovered something. You had There's just so things I just love, specifically type of conspiracy theories when they're like ⁓ looking at old houses structures and like, well, this ⁓ house used to have. Lynn: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. ⁓ Amelie: an antenna, but they've taken it down ⁓ ⁓ the fireplaces not used to actually fire. ⁓ They conducting electricity from the antenna and it just things like that. find it really fascinating. So sometimes I'm thinking, ⁓ maybe, they actually didn't have it that bad and maybe it wasn't ⁓ all and ⁓ Lynn: Hmm. Hmm. You Amelie: and bad and they were just all enjoying their life but ⁓ yeah it's a girl can dream a girl can dream Lynn: I was just a beautiful. No asbestos in the walls. Yeah. Yeah. ⁓ my gosh. The stuff that people used to poison themselves with because they didn't know it was just like asbestos and the coloration, the mad header, the header ⁓ But there's also I don't remember what poison it was, but there's something in the the the glue thing they used to make felt hats. that was highly poisonous and highly toxic. they started to have these symptoms, starting from ⁓ hands shaking to being wildly mad and raving and then in the end dying. So the mad header from Alice in Wonderland was based on the actual mad header That was an actual thing as well. ⁓ Amelie: Yeah. There's just so many things. just so many things ⁓ in the day. ⁓ I ⁓ remembered like a good YouTube I've been following her because she's been doing makeup before, but she started doing one called Dark History, like a dark history. ⁓ Her is Bailey Sarian and ⁓ the she ⁓ talks well is just really entertaining. ⁓ And Lynn: ⁓ Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. ⁓ I think I know this one. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Amelie: I just randomly sometimes just binge listen to them. All these like dark stories, murder stories and things. And I remember there's also when you said paint, there was these women that were doing the clocks. because they light in the dark, the paint kind of lights in the dark. Lynn: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. ⁓ yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm. Amelie: And because they were painting them, so they had to lick the brush and stuff. they all, you know, they ⁓ not feel very well. But just so many things like this. But it's also what I find interesting is that it's all the big, the big kind of corporations that do this. ⁓ And thing that I was really into ⁓ a back was medication. ⁓ Lynn: Yeah, ⁓ uh-huh. No. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Amelie: how they put cough syrup, had cocaine and heroin in it because obviously it helps your cough and all these elixirs and things. And this is how Coca-Cola kind of started like that too. yeah, because stepdad's auntie, she used to work in pharmacy. So like an old apothecary at first, a pharmacy. Lynn: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Right, yeah, yeah, yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Amelie: and she had loads and loads of like old bottles, medicine bottles. So I kind of got into that somehow because I thought the bottles were really cool. And then then you just like discover things along the line. And I find that that was really fascinating how they did like kids were teething. ⁓ Lynn: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Amelie: They did these suckers and they put a little bit of morphine on there just to kind of calm the kids down. It's pretty mad. Must have been pretty good. Lynn: Yeah, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. so calm them down real well. ⁓ then some of them died of overdosing as well. I remember were cases. It's not necessary because they were sick, just overdosed. indeed. Early. ⁓ Amelie: Yeah, I mean... Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. But yeah, no, I guess we got. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. It's, yeah. I mean, least you die happy. don't know. ⁓ Lynn: Yeah, as a child, guess. it also makes you wonder because I mean, it's like ⁓ always have these processes the progresses in ⁓ science finding out things that you didn't know before. And we never out learn. There's always new stuff. Right. So it's like now we're thinking we're so much smarter than people were in the ⁓ 17th, century. And I mean, maybe compared to them, we know much more about certain things. But then there's things that we discover now and then maybe in a hundred, two hundred years people will be like, they've been so stupid, you know, they talked about all these things. I don't know, like the radiation is a thing, like all the waves from everywhere. And we know it's unhealthy, but people don't play it. And some people don't. Some people are like also conspiracy theory. And they're like, I don't want any of these radiation things around me. And you can't, you can't avoid it because it's everywhere. Amelie: Yeah. Oui. Lynn: But know, maybe in 100 years people are like, ⁓ yeah, that's poisoned them all. That's why they all died of cancer, you know. Amelie: This is it. It's like, no, they would rather have without cables than being ⁓ Why Like, ⁓ talking on the phone. ⁓ really? Just, just, ⁓ let's ⁓ let's like talk. ⁓ it looks like they were into frying their brains. ⁓ it's crazy. ⁓ But ⁓ Lynn: Mm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, having flushed a microwave. ⁓ there's so much stuff. Yeah, yeah. Well, there's sperm cells or like, you know, there's also stuff like if you have your or they used to be like if you have your phone like in your waist pockets, they would fry your eggs and your sperm cells ⁓ know, cause infertility. So it's like, yeah, mean, you whatever rocks your boat. ⁓ Yeah. Amelie: But also what happened to microwaves, you know, that was ever so popular back in the day and now nobody wants to have microwaves. It's just, they just... Lynn: I do because that's the easiest way to make popcorn. I do them, I have done them in kettle. I have done them in kettle, but it gets so messy. The one kettle I use for popcorn, I cannot use it for anything else, is completely destroyed. But it's so difficult to get it right and it's not as good as the microwave popcorn, at least the way that I try to make it. It just doesn't get as good. So I'm like, Amelie: That's very true. Lynn: Well, that's what I actually got a microwave for, is a microwave popcorn and to make more tea. Amelie: I to actually have a ⁓ machine and then I got sick and tired of popcorn. So just left it. Lynn: Mmm. Yeah, that might happen. ⁓ ⁓ can still use it for other things. Like now I, you know, ⁓ use it every now, ⁓ and then, but I, I, what's it, I steam cook, ⁓ I to steam cook carrots in it, because that's really ⁓ quick easy done. yeah, so ⁓ Amelie: Yeah. That's very true. ⁓ never, I had, I had microwaves when I was living with flatmates, but I never bothered of getting a microwave because I just never use it. I do have, do have a, what's it called? A cooker. So if want to steam something, I just pressure cook things. But, ⁓ Lynn: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Maybe I should get one of those. heard that they are amazing tools. Amelie: Yeah, I do. because I was, ⁓ I had a lot of issues with like food and stuff. different story. ⁓ I was ⁓ reading upon a lot of things and there is ⁓ called lectins and like ⁓ beans and rice and things like that. ⁓ apparently if you pressure cook it, if you pressure cook the rice instead of just steamed the rice, ⁓ gets rid of all of like it, ⁓ not all of it, but it gets rid of a lot of it. Lynn: Mm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm. Mm. Yeah. Mm. Mm. Yeah. Amelie: So it's just healthier because it just kills off the lectins. So it's healthier to eat. So that's why I got my pressure cooker to start off with. But you can do so many things and it's so quick as well. You can literally do so many things so quickly. And it's good. Lynn: Yeah, that makes sense. Mm. Yeah, I have a friend who's ⁓ a biopath, a biopath. she she's also said something about the lectins at some point. So she she lives very healthily and her children live very healthy and everybody ⁓ that household. But just things that ⁓ I that like also with the beans that if you just cook them a little bit longer, like five minutes longer than you would usually cook them, that alone also gets rid of a lot of the lectins that are actually bad for us. and a lot of people have sensitivities to it. if you have sensitive, for people who sensitive to or similar, think it's also, is it also with the peas not peas, but these lentils, I think. ⁓ I if you just cook them five or 10 minutes longer, then it destroys structure or something and then it gets better. Amelie: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, can also, you can also, you can also soak them overnight. So you put them in water. That also helps a bit. So if you do that, cook them and cook them longer, it should also help. But if you're like, really need to get things done quickly, then a pressure cooker is great. It's just so fast. You know, if you, if you like doing a stew, if you, if you like a stew, you know how you make your stew, Lynn: Mm. Mm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. ⁓ Mm-hmm. I love stews. Yeah. Amelie: You have to, it takes so long because you have to boil it on a very low temperature for like two hours or so. But with a pressure cooker, it takes like 20, 25 minutes tops. That's probably, it depends like what kind of meat chunks you have, it just is ⁓ quick. Bam, ⁓ done. Lynn: Mm. Mm. Mm. Hmm. Yeah. It's a cheat sheet for this traditional Christmas, jule ⁓ food that we have here in Norway, it's called pinne kjøtt. It's a love. It's basically it's ⁓ from and it's normally it's like the ribs and it's cut like really it's like cut like into slice or you know like maybe three centimeter thick slices and usually put them You put them in a pot and they're salted. So they're salted. So all the the the juices gone out are salted. And basically it takes a long time because first you have to put that you have to soak them for like at least 24 hours. You have to soak it and you know, take out the water and new water and soak, soak and and then you steam them in in a pot with like these sticks of like this tree. don't remember it in English, but graham anyway. yeah, ⁓ sticks are... No, no, no, it's like an evergreen tree. One the evergreen trees that we have. And you make it like a little roast, basically. You have ⁓ four and four, so make like a square thing. I cannot speak today, it's great. Yeah, pines, I think. Yeah, and then ⁓ on top that, you stack the meat and then you put it in pot and then you have to... Amelie: Is it like a rosemary stick? Or not really? Like a pine, like a pine, pine tree. Lynn: steam cook it for like two to three hours until the meat falls off the bones. But a few years ago, a friend or like a friend of a friend, he brought his steam cooker, like everybody got together, like several families, neighbors got together to make a big Christmas feast. And he brought a steam cooker. And in the steam cooker, instead of it taking like two, three hours, it took like 30 minutes. And it was like, pin the shut in like 30 minutes. That's like... I mean you still have to soak it overnight, but I mean if you prepare that right and it's like really really fast. It's like mmm Amelie: Yeah. It's fast and it doesn't like you've been cut in corners. It just tastes good. Yeah, that's it. I'm now. Lynn: No, no, no, doesn't. Yeah, yeah. you not had dinner? ⁓ Amelie: had a little bit, but just like, just the thought of like something tender. I mean, it's funny, it's funny because like I used to be vegetarian for over 26 years, almost 27 years. that is a completely different topic. We started talking about food. We can talk about food and another thing, because that's going to take a long time because I had my fair share of... Lynn: Mm. ⁓ Yeah. Amelie: issues when it comes to food but ⁓ yeah I started eating meat again and now I eat mostly meat and yeah that just when you have meat and it gets super tender and it just falls apart that kind of ⁓ that's really good Lynn: Hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm. Mm. Mm. It's really good! Amelie: with gravy and stuff. Lynn: especially stuff. You guys are really wild on your gravy. You, British people in the gravy. ⁓ Amelie: British people, they're like, they get British people love gravy, but you know what they can't corners because they love this like granule gravy. They love that. They they love to just sprinkle the granules and make gravy like this. I'm just like, you seen the ingredients on it? Why would you do that to yourself when it's quite easy to make just gravy? But they this with everything when I'm Lynn: Mm-hmm. Hmm. You Mm. Amelie: first moved to the UK, I honestly thought that they would have the best tea in the world. And most people, the way they make tea, me is just ⁓ ⁓ just so bad. ⁓ one, they have like PG tips or some stupid Lipton or some kind of awful, awful tea. They don't boil the water fully. So the water is like kind of Lynn: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah Mm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Amelie: warm ish. It's like lukewarm, feels. So it doesn't steep the tea properly. And then on top of that, they put tons of milk in there and sugar. So it tastes like water with milk and loads of sugar. I don't get it. ⁓ Lynn: Mm-hmm. You and it's slightly brown from the tea. Slightly coloration. Amelie: Yeah, it's just, it's like the milk is slightly, yeah, slightly brown and it's just, it's vile. I just cannot take it. I bet all this. Lynn: Mm. Yeah, that's... No, that's... I just recently talked with my best friend, we talked about teas, because it's like in the UK or also some other places, when you talk tea, it's really just one type of tea, you just mean the tea leaves of the tea plant. And then you've got the English breakfast tea or the Irish breakfast tea or whatever. And that's the tea there is. And when we take, when we talk tea, you know, we have like the black tea or the green tea or the white tea. We have the infusions, but it's more like infusions, but we still call it tea. And so when you go and you come to our home, like mine or my best friends, right, we have like a whole cupboard full of like different blends and herbs. And you know, it smells amazing. In the back, far back, I have some, I think it's an Irish breakfast tea, I have it. For some people who like that, I don't drink it. I used to have a phase with it, but it's just not my thing anymore. I like my herbal infusions and all that. And it just smells amazing. And that's our tea. It's like a selection of 10 to 20 teas. I would like a tea, which one? Juice. And then you get like paralyzes, choice paralyzes. Because like, oh my God, I don't Amelie: Yes. Yes, I'm like that too. And when I moved, I had to throw a lot of them away because they were just, I was just not drinking them. But yeah, I used to have this shelf I just, I was just saving different like pots and things from different like randomly, cause I knew that I would probably move at some point. So I didn't want to like buy new ones, but it was so great because they were all different and all like, ⁓ all these teas. And when you open them and it smells so good. Lynn: Yeah. Mm. Mm-hmm. Amelie: I what you mean. I think we're very similar like that. But you know, in England is just like, would you like to have some tea? And then there is this big bag of tea bags that they like, it broke my heart. Lynn: Yeah. I mean, I guess it's a kind of, yeah, I guess it gives you that sense of like familiarity or so, because if everybody, you know, tea is the same. So if somebody like, it means comfort to you, like having tea, and somebody is like, ⁓ would you like some tea, then you immediately get into this space, I guess. But I share that. ⁓ understand But I guess over here, it's more like people do that with coffee instead, you know, because you know, ⁓ coffee and everybody gets on that train but no hmm yeah Amelie: Yeah, it's like that in Sweden as well. The love, love, love coffee. is like, fika is something that you have to do. And it has to be like at around 12 o'clock and I think around four o'clock or so, three, four o'clock that you have to have your coffee there. I'm a tea person. I like coffee. I don't mind coffee, but I'm more of a tea person. But I had to scale it down because I had so many flavors. Lynn: Mm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Amelie: But when I came here, kind of like, I couldn't get the flavor. My mom used to send me teas and she still does from time to time. But it's just really silly. But my favorite tea is Earl Grey. I find that is the, that's the most simple tea that I enjoy. And I do enjoy a nice good Earl Grey, but also like a Lady Grey. So you put a little bit of lemon in there. I like that. But it has to be Lynn: Mm-hmm. Right, right. Still very British, yeah. Amelie: Yeah, that's the most British I kind of... But I get a good quality loose Earl Grey tea. So I really don't like the bags when they are just these random, normal, big brand bags. Because the tea inside is like powder. So you basically shake it and it's just like dust comes out. Lynn: Mm. Mm. Mmm. Hmm. ⁓ yeah. Mmm. Mmm. Amelie: And I really don't like that. I like it when there's actually leaves, like leaves off the tea. could probably have a whole episode about tea. ⁓ want to go on a tangent there, but it's like, yeah, I am a tea person. I do like a coffee, but tea yeah. Lynn: We're starting now, so we're just getting some points. But yeah, no, I... Already did. is great. Yeah, and I'm just I've gotten a bit Maybe a little bit I spoil myself with tea. So I'm really I only drink or I prefer to only drink like ⁓ real know if it's infusions or whatever it is, but like the actual plants because there's a lot of like aromatized What people call tea in Europe or in the middle of Europe, whatever, you know, so It's I don't know green tea with mango flavor, you know or some black tea with some some flavors in it, you know, and I think I started to get I think it started I actually got a little bit sensitive to it and I mean it's not that weird when you look at it and you see what's in it like with all the fucking ease and I don't know so I used to drink it because that was normal, but it was all just like flavored teas and after a while I was like this is Amelie: Yeah. Lynn: I don't really like it anymore. And then I discovered slightly more expensive, but real, like the real stuff, flavor. And now I'm basically like, if I see flavor tea, I'm just like going to be, ⁓ thank you. I can't drink it anymore. Like I get ⁓ like sick sick, but I like, I it's not like my stomach doesn't like it. And I have like, mean, most of my family uses Amelie: Mm-hmm. Lynn: these kind of teas, the flavor teas. So when I'm like, you know, at my mom's or something, it's like, would you like some tea? And sometimes it's sometimes I'm okay with it. Sometimes it's fine, but I still like, it's just so it tastes so artificial. And I mean, like I bless them. It's like they don't know any other because I mean, we've all been raised like my whole family, like we've been raised poor, sort of, you know. So it was like you take the cheapest because that's what you can afford. And I mean, now I live in a rich country and I have one of the poorest jobs in the richest countries of the world and I can make an okay living you know with that it's fine it's fine so now I can actually buy expensive tea bless Amelie: I find, I find you have to choose, you have to choose yours, like your luxury. And I find tea is one of the things. And I'm thinking many times when it comes to tea, for example, in my mind is like, okay, tea is not something that is actually good for me. I'm drinking it because I really like the flavor. So I will only drink the tea if I really like the flavor. Otherwise, why would I? Lynn: Yeah. Hmm. Hmm. Mm. Mm. Amelie: So therefore I think it's absolutely fine to spend a little bit more money on really nice tea that you actually love the flavour of and then enjoy it rather than buying something and then ⁓ kind of half enjoy it but you can drink a lot of it because it's not good to drink a lot of it either. So ⁓ nice to have something that is bit like special. I do the same thing with if I ever have ice cream or anything that it's ⁓ Lynn: Mm. Mm. Mm. Yeah. Yeah. ⁓ God, ice cream, yes. Amelie: Yeah, that is not good for you, but ⁓ want to have it, I just treat myself to the thing that I actually like without ⁓ about, you know, sometimes do, but then I'm like, ⁓ look at that. There's an offer. ⁓ Let get one of those. ⁓ Then treat yourself. Lynn: Mmm. Mmm. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. ⁓ my God. Like all this talk about tea and it's just now I the effect that you had when we talked about food. I just like, I'm so. Yes, but you know, it's it's late. So I would probably I would probably regret it because I these big mugs are like 500 milliliters porcelain mugs. ⁓ they're so good. But then I will regret it. I get up in the night night because I'm of that age now that I get up at night. I didn't drink too much to drink. Amelie: I'm having tea after this. you Me too! Me too. Lynn: but I'm just like, my mouth is watering. Yeah, my mouth's literally watering thinking about all the teas I have and ⁓ how good it would be. I like the Sakura matcha tea. It's like green, like it's green tea with actually like with Sakura leaves in it. So it has this cherry flavor, like this natural cherry flavor and it's so good. Amelie: I don't care, I'm having a tea after this. I get it. I used to have one of those. know what you mean, it's so good. ⁓ Lynn: a real one, like with the leaves, like I have to, you know, spoon it out of the bag. And I think there's some vanilla sticks it as well. So it's just like, ⁓ it's good. ⁓ Amelie: Yes, yes. will be ⁓ day when we all meet, whenever that's going to happen, we have to take ⁓ of tea with us. So when we meet, we have like a tea ceremony, tea Lynn: Yep. ⁓ yes. I'll just take tiny containers of like ⁓ leaves and stuff in my suitcase and then at the border patrol there will be like, what these? ⁓ was ⁓ let's just send your drug count, I'm pretty sure it's okay. Amelie: You go ahead, you check that. Lynn: touch my tea! that's fun. Yeah. ⁓ Maybe should do that. Ugh. Amelie: I'm just thinking about how I should reel back into this Easter thing after talking about food and tea and things. Lynn: Oh yeah, now you did. You're reeling in right now. Yes, please, let's go. Amelie: And I'm thinking like, if I don't say it in this episode, I just feel like I should not be saying it again, because that will be like too long winded and too annoying. But I'm sure, sure during this time, they also had nice teas and herbs because apparently this was happening in 1668. So I'm that tea was a good, ⁓ a thing. ⁓ But I forgot about the E- Lynn: Mm. Go ahead, go ahead. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Amelie: I guess it's more of a Easter thing rather than like an Ostara thing, but it's still an old pagan thing because it's about witches. ⁓ I remember I was doing this as a child in Sweden and it's a Swedish thing. So in Sweden for Easter, they have witches. So it's a little bit like Halloween. So you go trick or treat, but it's for Easter instead. Lynn: Mm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Cool. Amelie: and you dress up as witches because you go into Blåkylla which is the where the witches gather and party and have fun times. This ⁓ is what you've been told so ⁓ before go there you trick or treat and well not trick or treat but it's kind of like a trick or treat ⁓ so sing and you get candy and stuff. It was great I remember this one year Lynn: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Amelie: was a little bit of a tomboy and my best friend was a guy and he had a best friend as well. ⁓ he was the funniest, he was just so funny and he had a sister as well. And we went out trick or treating. Why do I say trick or treating? It's like, it's not, it's an Easter. ⁓ It's Easter thing. And I not know that the boys would also dress as ⁓ a Lynn: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Amelie: POSK-sharing, it's called POSK-sharing. It's a Easter, Easter witch basically. Easter bitch. Bitch. Easter bitch. Shary. Yeah. It's an old hag basically. Easter hag. Like an Easter hag. Yeah, so you put like this scarf over your head and you kind of... Lynn: Right, Easter... Yeah, Shad... Yeah, bitch. Easter bitch, yeah. It's... Yeah, a shadding is like an old... Like a spinster or like an old woman, like an oldish woman. A hag, yeah. A shadding. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Amelie: And then what they did, they took their mom's lipstick and they did like two red cheeks. They drew circles, red big circles on the cheeks. And because we were really young, right? I mean, you could not really tell that they were boys. ⁓ ⁓ went to this ⁓ block of flats where there was a lot of older people. Lynn: ⁓ the circles. Circles on the cheeks. Amelie: we thought like let's just cheer them up because we were also singing some songs and talking to them and it was really funny and they all thought that we were all girls and the first time they opened the door like on the first person that opened the door the boys went like hello hello was good ⁓ it is a great memory it was one of the like funnest easter i ever had Lynn: you Mmm. Amelie: And I really hope that kids still do it. I don't know if they still do it or not. But back in the day we did that. And after when we finished the Easter episode, I just thought, oh my gosh, I completely forgot about this. And I thought, okay, it's about Easter. So it's not really Oscar, but then I'm like, wait a minute, this is about witches. So this has like a pagan root and it does. And you know, like I said, Lynn: Yeah. Mm. Mm-hmm. Mmm. Amelie: I'm going to quickly check because when it comes to dates and stuff, I'll never remember. basically, Blåkulla was, it was witch trials that they did there. So between 1668 and 1676, it was called, I should have worn my glasses, but obviously, Lynn: Mm. Mm-hmm. Amelie: It was called, yeah, it was, it was called the Stora Oväsendet, which is the great noise, where an intense period of hysteria in Sweden driven by children accusing adults of abducting them to a mythical meadow called Blåkulla to serve the devil. approximately 300 people were Lynn: Good luck. Hmm. Amelie: executed, peaking with 71 victims. So it was a real thing and it was like a proper witch trial and I find it quite interesting that they Lynn: Wow. crowd. But was it the children that were accusing adults and then the adults being tried? does it say? how did... Right. Amelie: This is what it says here. This is what it says here. uh, I'm trying to, so child, child witnesses, child witnesses hysteria began when children alleged that women were kidnapping them and forcing them to commit acts of witchcraft at this location. Lynn: Children are like the spawn of the devil. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Wow. I wonder what the actual like what actually happened like historically. I mean, I could if it's just like a prank gone really bad, like just some kids being like, hey, let's accuse them of witches. And then so many people died. That would be if something actually happened that maybe some people actually did heinous acts to children and something. I mean, that would be really interesting. You could make films off of that, you know, just. ⁓ Amelie: It's like, it's like the satanic panic they had in the UK. But this is a bit older. Lynn: Yeah, yeah, you ⁓ you had that as well. I just know they yeah, I just know that the US American woman there 80s it's really bad ⁓ Amelie: Yeah, they had it too, yeah. I'm sure that UK had it as well. There's so many things in specifically where used to live ⁓ in There's a lot of stories, like Satan worshipping story things with kids and stuff, loads of old ones. Always a good story talking about things like that. Lynn: Mm. Mm-hmm. Mm. Mm-mm. Yeah. Yeah, once you're past it and not get thrown into jail or killed for it. It's wow. Yeah. ⁓ Amelie: But yeah. Yeah, it's, it's, yeah, it's crazy. mean, knows? I have not been diving very, very deep into it, but I found it very interesting that keep tradition ⁓ of knocking the doors. ⁓ And maybe has something do with knocking on the doors see if there were any children in the house. So. ⁓ Lynn: Hmm. Hmm. Yeah. then taking them. ⁓ it because it's hmm. I mean the ⁓ is not Easter, right? But in in Europe you have this ⁓ St. thing which then turned into Christmas later, right? But the St. Nicholas where you have the the actual which was like the St. Nicholas and he goes around the 6th of December with campus. Amelie: Hmm. Lynn: So you have the good guy and you have the bad guy. And then, you know, you have this whole thing that if you've not been nice during the year, you're going to be taken by Krampus, which is like this kind of black devil person. You've got to be taken by him and then either thrown to hell or eaten or, you know, killed horrendously, ⁓ ⁓ also, you know, this this thing that if you're not good, you're going to be taken. And maybe ⁓ guess it's actually also happened, you know, like now just thinking of the folk tales as well, where it's actually cautionary tales. based on facts, historical facts, that probably if you were not a useful child, think that probably happened. You you were not useful to your parents, so they just gave you away to the mines. Actually, that happened. There were a lot of children working in the mines. And guess that's when you were not useful in your actual house or they were too poor. So they sold you off for money because they needed it. Then you were working in the mines or other places. So I guess this whole thing, you know, if you're not nice, if you're not a good enough child. Amelie: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Lynn: you're going to be taken. And this was an actual thing. Amelie: This is something that I actually grew up with when I was in Poland. We did celebrate this. ⁓ yes, and... Yeah. So for a child, what they used to do is they're like, if you have not been good, they said, if you have not been good, you're going to be spanked. And what happens on that night is that if you were a good child, nothing happen. But you put, I think you put a shoe. Lynn: ⁓ yeah. ⁓ yeah, right. It was so scary. That's what I'm traumatized. That's actually traumatizing. That was traumatizing to me. Yeah. Hmm. You Amelie: You put like a boot out on the window sill. if there is a branch, like a branch ⁓ the shoe, this means that you're going to get spanked. So if you were not good, there's like, you wake up and there's like a big branch in in your boots and you're, I, my dad that. He put a branch in there and I got really scared, but you know, he was into sp- Lynn: Mm. Mm. branch. Have you ever gotten a branch? Ugh. Amelie: I mean, he liked spanking children, so he thought it was funny. I thought it was terrifying. yeah. Lynn: Mmm. Right. Mmm. dear goodness, yeah. But you see, another thing, you said they call it the blåkulla. Amelie: Blå kulla, yeah. Lynn: Yeah, so like, Blåk. So, Hula is like meadow, and then the name is like Blåk. Is that what it, because I know. Or, Blå. ⁓ Blå. ⁓ Blue, okay. Okay. Yeah, Blå. Amelie: Blu- Blu- is the color blue. The color blue. So it's the blue- it's a- a kulla is a hill a- a- a- a- a- a- a- a- a- a- a- a- a- a- a- Lynn: ⁓ kylla, yeah a hill, okay the blue hill, okay. Yeah, Maybe flowers, maybe there was a lot of blue flowers or something on that hill. Yeah, but hmm. Amelie: Could have been, absolutely. It's very funny because my friend moved to a place, it was a while back, she moved to a place when they called the estate, kind of like an estate, they called it Bloakulla because all the houses were blue, which was quite funny. So I told her, like, you're a witch now. Lynn: ⁓ Yeah, because when you said it then I got like an association with like a German witch tradition but then it's not correct because it sounded similar but if you use this blue because there's this witch mountain and famous witch mountain in Germany that's called Blocksberg And there's a character called Bibi Blocksberg, which is like a children's story. She's like a cute little witch thing. But Blocksberg, unless I'm completely making shit up now, as far as I know. But it's like the yeah, because it's called Blocksberg and it's also like a mountain. And that's where all the witches would gather for the sub-bath. And, you know, we have all these images of the witches going around on their brooms and then. Amelie: It's interesting. It's interesting because here... Lynn: meeting the devil and you know, and yes, it's all like the last car. Amelie: Yes. Yes. Yes. It's, it's, it's funny though, because here when it, when it translates it to English, it says blockkula. So it does says blockkula. So what if it's the same place? Because I have to, a side note, side note, Swedish people love translating things into completely different things. They do it with like movies all the time. Lynn: All Right, rather than blow. Yeah, it sounds. Amelie: You it's just completely different. So this could be the case. Lynn: Maybe but yeah, it's just shocking because it sounded so similar. It's like also like some block blocks then like a mountain So yeah, there's famous mountain that that the witches gather ⁓ their Sabbath That's, we just discovered something. discovered something. ⁓ Amelie: Yeah, now I want to know. It just feels like it could be the same thing because, you know, like Scandinavian people or Germanic people had very... they had such similarities. Lynn: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's similar routes. Yeah, yeah. I mean, the whole the whole pantheon is the same. Germanic Norse pantheon and the myths are the same. But also if you go into myth, you know, the myths are also like coming from the Greek and from the Indian. Let's find this mountain. Let's go. Let's go on a field trip. Amelie: Yeah. Now let's find this place on the map. ⁓ Lynn: I think we're just gonna go get teas after this and then we're gonna Google search rather. Amelie: sending like, obscure maps to each other. Lynn: maps are great. nice. I mean that is I think that's a good random episode don't you think? ⁓ Amelie: you Yeah, I think so. Lots of information for sure. It's like an extension of the Ostara episode with some random food stuff in there. Lynn: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Hmm, yeah, and folktales and ⁓ witches. ⁓ Amelie: and tea. I'd love to know if whoever is listening to this, what is your favorite tea? I want to know. Can you please comment below your favorite tea? And if you're from UK, how do you make your tea? No Earl Grey, Earl Grey is actually on the nicer spectrum of the Lynn: Mm-hmm. yeah, please don't say like, well, it's gonna be ⁓ ⁓ see you where people are from. ⁓ it's gonna be Earl Grey ⁓ Yeah, yeah, yeah. But to me, you know, like it's more on the boring spectrum to me because it's just the one, you know, so it's just the one, you know, So it would kind of reveal where people are from, kind of tea traditions they have or non traditions. I mean, I've seen, you've probably seen this as well, but this is a horrendous video online of these, I think it's two girls, but they're making tea and basically it just starts. Amelie: Yeah, yes it is. Yes it is. Yeah, absolutely. Lynn: it's from the US, right? But it starts with them putting like water into the microwave, right? And I think they're pouring a lot of these, also these granule teas, you know, these granules, you know, they pour that in and then they pour so much other stuff in that's that does not belong into tea whatsoever. But just to start that you put it in your water into the microwave. And yeah, and then put your tea in it or something. just like, just Breathe. Amelie: No, number one, putting water in the microwave. mean, just, yes and no. ⁓ Lynn: have to say my boss I don't think he's ever gonna listen to this because he's not into occult stuff and he's probably scared of it but if he ever listens to this let me know boss my I'll surprised but he he's he's part Norwegian part from the UK so his mother English And he puts his, I mean, it might also come with the job, you know, being like a veterinary, you know, but he, when he drinks his coffee and the coffee's gone cold, he puts his coffee in the microwave, you know, to warm it back up. a thing. I feel like nurses, I know everybody, I think in the health ⁓ they do that. I do not drink coffee and I don't do it with my tea because my tea goes to my thermos thing, so it stays warm the entire day. but you know, they have their cups instead of their thermos and then it gets cold and they put in the microwave. It's so sad. Amelie: Yeah, I know people who've done that. just find that when you do that with coffee, it gets so bitter. Like when you reheat coffee, ⁓ ⁓ tried, I have, I've tried with tea, ⁓ no. ⁓ the I tend drink tea until it actually gets cold at the end. Sometimes it's just cold at the end and it tastes really good. Lynn: ⁓ I wouldn't know but yeah, I bet. I've not tried it with tea. Have you tried it with tea? Mm-hmm. Amelie: Some teas taste really good actually when they're cold, but I just find it with coffee, it gets very bitter because when it's ⁓ cup for too long, in people, their coffee just on a different level. I don't know how it is in Norway, but in Sweden... ⁓ Lynn: Hmm. A high level or a low level are we talking? Amelie: It's they ⁓ ⁓ coffee. ⁓ somewhere ⁓ by moon somewhere. Or when drink it, takes you up to the moon because the amount of caffeine in that coffee is just ⁓ crazy. They love filter ⁓ And you how you have the coffee maker? Lynn: Or out of space. Yes, all right. Okay. Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. Strong coffee then. Mm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Amelie: and it's on one of those heat plates and it kind of drips in the thing and many times, you know, it's just standing there and people just like and they keep it there for whenever the coffee ends and then they just remake the coffee. So sometimes the coffee is not freshly brewed and it is just super, super bitter because it's been there for quite a while and it's really strong ⁓ you have a cup of coffee. Lynn: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yes. Amelie: And I kid you not, just makes you crazy. It just makes you shake. ⁓ just, mad. The coffee in Sweden is so strong. ⁓ The in the Swedish coffee is so strong. Obviously, it probably depends where you go, but most Swedish would prefer a filter coffee compared to ⁓ British people Lynn: Yeah, bet. caffeine I mean yeah I mean the caffeine is just like Mm. Mm. Amelie: prefer either an Americano or a latte and stuff. Back in the day, they didn't really have coffee shops. Now they have loads of them, ⁓ ⁓ a pure, brutal filter coffee. It's tar. I call it tar. Lynn: Mm. Mm. Mm. Right. Amelie: when I go to, ⁓ Poland sometimes you get it too, so I call it smoa, because it just rolls off the tongue really nice, but it's basically tar, so ⁓ just tar. ⁓ Lynn: Hmm Amelie: No milk can help. Lynn: Yeah, no milk can help. I was just gonna say just, you know, do the same thing as they do with the tea, you know, just lots of sugar and lots of milk and then maybe it's drinkable, but then you probably have to have this much coffee and this much milk in your cup. ⁓ yeah. Amelie: No milk can help. Yeah, yeah, it depends. I think people that are so used to drinking coffee, so if it's not strong enough, they will not feel it. They will not taste it, they will not feel it. So it's pointless for them to drink like just normal coffee. It tastes nothing. latte probably tastes absolutely nothing but milk for them. So I completely understand. ⁓ it's just like the old school people. Yeah, Lynn: Hmm. Yeah, ⁓ Probably. Yeah, it's the caffeine addiction. No, I tried coffee like I tried drinking it on one occasion and my body was like, no, thank you. So I was like, okay. But I got for a very short, yeah, I got for a very short, short time, I got to Amelie: I do drink. Lynn: ⁓ to live and experience what it means to be awake in the morning and to be functioning in the morning because I had like a bit of coffee and I was like BOO! Wow! Wow! Let's do stuff! And I don't normally get that. I'm with my both with me being just me and ADD and whatnot. just... I it. I experienced this. ⁓ Amelie: Yeah, yeah, can ⁓ like ⁓ in London as well, it's a thing specifically in London, I think. going to work and get yourself a coffee on your way to work. And it's, yeah, it is very expensive, but people just don't care. It's because you go into work and you want to come into work with a cup of coffee. There's a thing and people do it and then they do it again, lunchtime. And even though, even though there's a coffee machine in the office and you can make your own coffee, but no, you have to go outside and get your Lynn: Mm-hmm. you You Amelie: whatever latte and whatnot. It's a thing. I do, I do, I used to drink way more coffee. And I think it was just so it's, it's an addiction, but I also didn't think about that. The caffeine was, I just didn't, I didn't think about the caffeine intake until I got a really bad Lynn: Mm. Amelie: it called, ⁓ got really bad anemia and I was reading that ⁓ too much caffeine in general is really not good for you because it basically kills off, you know, all the iron in your body or ⁓ really not helpful. ⁓ then I stopped drinking ⁓ and tea ⁓ the two weeks was pure hell ⁓ and is when I realized that, ⁓ my god, I've been really overdoing it. Lynn: Mmm. Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Amelie: because it was more of a thing of not actually going to get a coffee because you wanted to drink a coffee. It was more of a thing of going to a coffee shop and get something to drink and have something to do that was pleasant. It's a very like, it's a very strange, I don't know. It's a thing. I guess big cities are kind of like that. It makes you feel cool, okay? Lynn: Mm. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Mmm. Mmm. Mmm. Yeah. Amelie: having, you know, like, you know, drinking coffee. It makes you feel really cool, basically. It's so stupid. I'm, I'm to have maybe once a week or so. ⁓ Sometimes I have it. I don't, I'm not that fast. I do have coffee at home, just in case. Like the other day, when I was feeling a bit tired before we were recording, ⁓ I ⁓ like really tiny cup. Lynn: Mm-hmm. Amelie: But the coffee that I have is the coffee beans are like super clean. That's another problem with coffee is that there's so much pesticides and there is just really not, it's not very good to drink too much coffee because there's just too much other kind of other poisons in them. I have at home, I have like a coffee that doesn't have pesticides. Lynn: ⁓ right. Amelie: They basically, well, at least claim that they've checked pesticides and blah, blah, blah. And it tastes pretty good. So I like to have it just small one with no, no milk, no nothing. But that's, that's, that's on the occasion. So I don't want to get used to it again. God, no. I just get like that. Lynn: Coffee Pure. Mm. Mm. I like my coffee like I like my thoughts. Black and- Amelie: there's another one. You'll say this. What was it? ⁓ I don't remember what it was now. another one I think is, I like, I people just the way I like my tea. I think in a bag underwater. Something like that, right? ⁓ I love that. I should definitely re-record it. Lynn: Come out with it. a bunch. ⁓ drowning yeah I heard that yes yes yeah that's that's a thing all right wow Amelie: Yeah Lynn: ⁓ Yeah, that's great. All right. Dude, goomy. All right. Yeah, let's end on that note. How we like our tea and then maybe pick up there next time. ⁓ for listening to yet another episode of ⁓ Amulet's Corner of Chaos. I hope you've been ⁓ successfully. Amelie: do it gloomy. Yeah. Let's end on that. How we like our tea. Lynn: We up words here, we're multilingual. ⁓ It's it's all right. ⁓ So thanks for in. Please like, ⁓ with your and other thoughts ⁓ and subscribe. Don't shy, we don't bite. Amelie: It's definitely a word. Lynn: if you don't want us to. Good night, everyone. On that note, bye. Amelie: ⁓ ⁓