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FridAI - Assistive Intelligence · Business Brain – The Entrepreneurs’ Podcast

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  Dave Hamilton: Business Brain, episode 757 for Casual Friday. I May 29th, National Paperclip Day, 2026.
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  Shannon Jean: You ever see that video guy traded a paperclip for a house?
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  Shannon Jean: Remember he kept going, started with the paperclip, and he traded something
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  Shannon Jean: a little bigger, and a little bigger, and a little bigger, and eventually got
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  Shannon Jean: a house. A really great documentary. Yeah.
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  Dave Hamilton: I remember that. Total hustler. Yeah, that's a hustle. That's a good hustle. Yeah, it's great.
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  Shannon Jean: Yeah, it's huge. Huge, huge, huge.
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  Dave Hamilton: One red paperclip.
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  Shannon Jean: Yeah, that's it.
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  Dave Hamilton: Listening. Greetings, folks, and welcome to Business Brain, the show where we
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  Dave Hamilton: take some ideas, we crunch them, we use them, we dissect them so that we can
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  Dave Hamilton: better tune our business brains and level up our charmed lives.
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  Dave Hamilton: a little bit later in the episode for now as usual here in durham new hampshire i'm dave hamilton.
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  Shannon Jean: And I'm still in Northern California. I'm Shannon Jean. I love those sponsors.
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  Shannon Jean: Super great. Yep. Very useful. Used them both many, many, many times.
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  Dave Hamilton: Love it. Yeah.
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  Shannon Jean: That's really good. Hey, I'm going to go first since you went first last time.
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  Dave Hamilton: I was going to suggest that you go first, but we're on the same page. I love it.
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  Shannon Jean: Yeah. Yeah. So, hey, so I have this, I talk a lot. Maybe you didn't know that, big mouth.
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  Shannon Jean: But I'm always talking and doing things like you, singing, talking.
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  Shannon Jean: I think I'm not a professional singer like you are. but uh so i'm one of the
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  Shannon Jean: things i'm doing with my doctor because my throat is uh sore often is i'm he
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  Shannon Jean: says you need to track your food like every single thing you eat sure
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  Dave Hamilton: Just to make sure that it's not you know some spicy thing that you're eating that's causing reflux.
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  Shannon Jean: Food and drink yeah food and drink and everything so i'm thinking okay so i
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  Shannon Jean: had i had this meeting this morning and i was like all right all right i gotta
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  Shannon Jean: track this how am i gonna how am i gonna do it so there's a ton of apps
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  Dave Hamilton: Out there you can do this with you know.
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  Shannon Jean: Shannon there is a ton of apps but you know oh, I actually have access to...
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  Shannon Jean: Product that I already paid for called Claude. That is, it's amazing.
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  Shannon Jean: And so this is why the SaaSpocalypse has happened, right?
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  Shannon Jean: Because I start talking to Claude in the car, I leave the doctor's office,
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  Shannon Jean: I get in the car and I start talking to Claude.
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  Shannon Jean: I said, Hey, I need to track all my food and drink everything every day.
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  Shannon Jean: And I got to do it like, cause this, this, my doctor's coming to meet with him
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  Shannon Jean: every week. They're going to hold me accountable.
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  Shannon Jean: And I got to be able to give them this log. And I said, what's the best way to do it?
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  Shannon Jean: And Claude says, oh, I'll build you a food log.
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  Shannon Jean: And all you do is take a photo of what you're eating and drinking and I'll figure
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  Shannon Jean: out the ingredients and I'll create the list.
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  Shannon Jean: And then I'll give me the email you needed to go to and I'll email it before
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  Shannon Jean: your next doctor's thing.
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  Shannon Jean: And I was like, oh my gosh, what a world we're living in, right?
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  Shannon Jean: So I'm kind of talking through. So I get back to my office.
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  Shannon Jean: I look, that's the, the log is done on my phone. And he's like,
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  Shannon Jean: yeah, just hit here every time.
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  Shannon Jean: And then it shows me how to make a app to put on my home screen.
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  Shannon Jean: Yeah. So I could just click it, not have to go into Claude. I could just click
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  Shannon Jean: right on this food log, you know, web app, if you will.
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  Shannon Jean: You got to go in through the Claude via the web browser on like Safari first or Chrome on your phone.
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  Shannon Jean: And then you can create a web app out of that.
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  Dave Hamilton: Oh, for sure.
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  Shannon Jean: Yeah. Yeah, and that'll be, because I was like, what's the fastest way?
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  Shannon Jean: I got to do it quick. I don't want to have to stop. And then I said, I said, all right, well,
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  Shannon Jean: What if you don't know what something is? And it's like, okay,
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  Shannon Jean: I'll ask you. So I'll prompt you.
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  Shannon Jean: It's like, I got it. It's fried chicken and this and potatoes and that. But what's that sauce?
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  Shannon Jean: Are you dipping in barbecue sauce? Whatever it is. You know,
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  Shannon Jean: are you eating Chinese food?
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  Shannon Jean: So it'll query me because we want all the little details as well as if I'm cooking something.
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  Shannon Jean: Like we like that the stuff from Costco, this Kevin's, they make this like prepared
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  Shannon Jean: meals that I really like.
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  Dave Hamilton: Yeah, sure.
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  Shannon Jean: And so I'm like, if I take a picture of the ingredients, you can detail, of course.
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  Shannon Jean: So it'll detail all. So yeah, I'm curious to see how it's going to work. And all right.
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  Dave Hamilton: So you're at least currently not tracking portion sizes or calories.
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  Dave Hamilton: You're just tracking the contents.
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  Dave Hamilton: Well, for what you're doing, that's not what I'm doing.
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  Shannon Jean: Yeah. I don't really track that.
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  Dave Hamilton: I see no reason why it couldn't be, what you're doing couldn't be expanded to
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  Dave Hamilton: do that for someone who did want to do that kind of thing. I agree.
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  Shannon Jean: Yeah, I would think so. Because it would say how big your thing is, this portion, yeah.
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  Dave Hamilton: I did a, I think we talked about it on the show that, you know,
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  Dave Hamilton: this was four or five years ago.
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  Dave Hamilton: Maybe I wound up, I have these lipomas or whatever all over me and they were driving me crazy.
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  Dave Hamilton: And I incorrectly reasoned that if I consumed less fat, that I would make less
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  Dave Hamilton: of these fatty deposits. That's not how the body works, by the way.
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  Dave Hamilton: Got it. So I was wrong. But still, I was like, well, I need to know how much
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  Dave Hamilton: I'm supposed to be eating.
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  Dave Hamilton: And I don't know because I, you know, like, I mean, the last time I thought
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  Dave Hamilton: about portion sizes, I was like 20.
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  Dave Hamilton: And it turns out I'm not 20 anymore. And so I needed something different.
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  Dave Hamilton: Confirmed to me that i was eating enough food but
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  Dave Hamilton: because my my body for the first few
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  Dave Hamilton: days lied to me it was like you're starving you need to
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  Dave Hamilton: eat more and it's like so bad i don't think so you
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  Dave Hamilton: know so i used i used an app i used an app called lose it
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  Dave Hamilton: um that's for you know primarily for people who
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  Dave Hamilton: want to you know do weight loss but that wasn't my intention but
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  Dave Hamilton: i wound up on like a path to learn lose like
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  Dave Hamilton: 10 pounds a month because but it was easy because i wasn't
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  Dave Hamilton: intending to lose weight but that app i paid
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  Dave Hamilton: for a lifetime subscription and now that app has a
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  Dave Hamilton: lot of what you're talking about you just take a picture of your food it didn't
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  Dave Hamilton: have that back then but now you take a picture and it'll it'll calculate portion
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  Dave Hamilton: sizes and all that so i see no reason why you couldn't just skip the custom
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  Dave Hamilton: app and just do that with claude or built it build your own custom app like
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  Dave Hamilton: yeah you know you can do that too so yeah.
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  Shannon Jean: Absolutely but it's just you
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  Shannon Jean: know i i guess the takeaway is don't forget to use your ai for everyday
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  Dave Hamilton: Things everyday things that's right and it's it's.
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  Shannon Jean: Powerful and we get caught up in this complex stuff and for businesses and it's
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  Shannon Jean: great and that stuff's awesome too and that's what we usually talk about on
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  Shannon Jean: friday i uh but it's the every day today the simple things it can help make your life
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  Dave Hamilton: Better i'm gonna i'm gonna refine or add to your okay your your takeaway from
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  Dave Hamilton: this section here you said don't forget to use your favorite chat bot for everyday things.
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  Dave Hamilton: Don't forget that,
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  Dave Hamilton: Your chat bot is more than a chat bot.
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  Dave Hamilton: If all you're using, it doesn't matter. Claude, you know, GPT, perplexity, Gemini.
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  Dave Hamilton: If all you're doing is chatting back and forth with it, you're missing like
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  Dave Hamilton: 90% of what you can do with this thing. Exactly.
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  Dave Hamilton: And if you don't know what you're missing, guess what? Your chat bot knows. Yes.
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  Dave Hamilton: Ask it. Like, say, hey, what am I? You know what I'm doing. You know what I'm up to.
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  Dave Hamilton: What am I missing? And it'll tell you. Like, if you're not using Claude Cowork
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  Dave Hamilton: yet, or whatever your favorite LLM's version of that is, oh my God,
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  Dave Hamilton: like you're missing out.
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  Dave Hamilton: I've made so much money. I would argue...
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  Dave Hamilton: Is this true? Is what I'm about to say true? What I'm about to say,
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  Dave Hamilton: and I'm trying to decide if it's true,
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  Dave Hamilton: would I have needed to hire another salesperson if I didn't have Claude to prepare
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  Dave Hamilton: my sales pitches and decks and spreadsheets?
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  Dave Hamilton: And I mean, I don't know if I would have needed to hire somebody else,
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  Dave Hamilton: but it's certainly freed up my time in a similar way to hiring someone.
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  Shannon Jean: Yeah, I would have had to hire like another marketing person,
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  Shannon Jean: I believe, or certainly a graphic designer to help me create images that I use
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  Shannon Jean: every day and in various businesses that I'm involved in.
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  Dave Hamilton: Yeah.
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  Shannon Jean: Yeah, for sure. What else was I going to do? Oh, and I think that like everybody,
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  Shannon Jean: whatever AI you're using, I also, I think you should have a health folder and
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  Shannon Jean: you should be talking to it and answering questions about health.
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  Dave Hamilton: I i agree with this game changer i i 100 agree yes however you need to do it
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  Dave Hamilton: eyes wide open and know that correct feeding your health information to a third
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  Dave Hamilton: party yeah yes yeah that's.
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  Shannon Jean: Right and i mean there's no doubt about it but it's like uh it's it's really helpful yeah um i love it
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  Dave Hamilton: For sure all right i have i have one sort of little thing to think about that
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  Dave Hamilton: i want to share a little golden nugget perhaps a redefinition of ai uh and and
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  Dave Hamilton: So I think, you know, we talk a lot about AI here. It's fried AI, of course. Yes.
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  Dave Hamilton: I, and we all know AI is artificial intelligence.
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  Dave Hamilton: I think that term is wrong. I mean, there's a lot of people that will say,
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  Dave Hamilton: well, it's not Intel. It's all this stuff.
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  Dave Hamilton: Fine. I also think that's a misleading term in so far as how we best can use it.
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  Dave Hamilton: Realize that the way that i use ai is
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  Dave Hamilton: not as an artificial intelligence but as an assistive intelligence
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  Dave Hamilton: oh yeah yeah yeah right because
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  Dave Hamilton: it it is helping me it is not replacing me
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  Dave Hamilton: it's it it like it's not to a point where like i mean we just talked about you
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  Dave Hamilton: know what i added replaced another salesperson like i don't know like i still
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  Dave Hamilton: had to be the one driving the bus on those sales Like I'd still benefit from
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  Dave Hamilton: having a different person fielding that stuff. Right.
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  Dave Hamilton: Uh, because then it's, it's like, it requires no brain power for me,
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  Dave Hamilton: but it's the assistive part that takes the grunt work away. Right.
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  Dave Hamilton: Whether it's from me or from somebody else on my team. I like it. Right.
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  Dave Hamilton: It's, it's, it is intelligent to a point and it's able to do a lot of things.
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  Dave Hamilton: It needs a lot of guidance.
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  Dave Hamilton: Uh, but with guidance, man like i'm it's a superpower right and.
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  Shannon Jean: So i love it yeah
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  Dave Hamilton: Assistive intelligence is how is how i'm thinking about it now and i just want
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  Dave Hamilton: to throw that out there yeah.
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  Shannon Jean: I love that i love you know there's all these people paranoid about everybody
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  Shannon Jean: losing their jobs i listened to gary v this morning talking he's like nobody's
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  Shannon Jean: gonna lose their jobs everybody's gonna have different jobs it's just gonna
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  Shannon Jean: change just like it always has welcome and
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  Dave Hamilton: Technology has been doing this for a long time the industrial revolution has anyone studied that.
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  Shannon Jean: Yeah what happened to all those people that worked at Sears?
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  Shannon Jean: What happened to all the people at the mall?
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  Dave Hamilton: Everything changes. My favorite example, Shannon, is the,
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  Dave Hamilton: You're you and I are are of a similar vintage.
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  Dave Hamilton: And so I know you will remember this, too.
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  Dave Hamilton: People a decade or certainly two decades younger than us did not live through
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  Dave Hamilton: the period of time when Photoshop hit the market. Oh, everything.
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  Dave Hamilton: And I had this conversation with somebody who's in their 30s recently,
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  Dave Hamilton: and they were shocked by what I'm about to say.
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  Dave Hamilton: Uh when photos if you took you
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  Dave Hamilton: can take a lot most of 80 of what people
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  Dave Hamilton: are saying about ai taking people's jobs and being terrible and
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  Dave Hamilton: it's gonna it's not art and like all those things you can
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  Dave Hamilton: take all those comments and 80 of them
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  Dave Hamilton: if you just take ai out and drop photoshop
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  Dave Hamilton: in those words yeah those words
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  Dave Hamilton: have all been said before it was just a couple of
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  Dave Hamilton: decades ago because when photoshop hit the market people are
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  Dave Hamilton: like oh my gosh graphic designers are going to lose their minds or lose their
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  Dave Hamilton: jobs and their minds uh and i remember thinking gosh because i was you know
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  Dave Hamilton: in technology and a nerd and always on the cutting edge and i was like uh yeah
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  Dave Hamilton: i don't i don't see that because like i i have access to photoshop i don't know how to use it you gotta.
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  Shannon Jean: Know how to
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  Dave Hamilton: Use it terrible yeah i don't have a mind the right mind for artists.
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  Shannon Jean: That were already designing it was an incredible assistant
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  Dave Hamilton: And and of course that's what it became and today
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  Dave Hamilton: we know of photoshop as like the
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  Dave Hamilton: assistive tool that every art or something some competitor
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  Dave Hamilton: to photoshop like you might choose to use you know pixel made or something i
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  Dave Hamilton: don't know whatever yeah yeah but you know you're using software to help and
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  Dave Hamilton: by the way even if you say you're not using software to help every camera you
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  Dave Hamilton: have is using software between the lens and what you get as the original picture,
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  Dave Hamilton: right? So, you know.
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  Shannon Jean: That's huge. Yeah. It's a great analogy. And I love the acronym because it's actually like...
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  Shannon Jean: It's allowed me to hire more people to build something bigger that I would not,
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  Shannon Jean: I would have had to pay for, you know, I just, I wouldn't have been able to get there.
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  Shannon Jean: And, you know, another, another analogy that I think about, like before the
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  Shannon Jean: internet, and I remember driving my daughter one day, she was in like middle
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  Shannon Jean: school and internet was just, you know, she was just kind of getting into the web and all this stuff.
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  Shannon Jean: And she made a comment to me that I'll never forget. She said,
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  Shannon Jean: dad, before the internet, why did you need a computer?
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  Dave Hamilton: Yeah, right.
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  Shannon Jean: I was like, it reminded me of
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  Shannon Jean: those Sun Microsystem ads that says the internet is the computer, right?
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  Shannon Jean: Which is kind of much more true now than it was back then. Yeah.
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  Shannon Jean: But I got the whole thing. Well, why would you need a computer if you did?
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  Shannon Jean: Because the internet is everything to these kids. And they grew up with it where we did not.
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  Dave Hamilton: We transitioned. I mean, you might be using the royal we. I definitely,
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  Dave Hamilton: I'm one of the weird Gen Xers where I've been online since I was about 14.
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  Shannon Jean: Yeah, yeah. I was in chat rooms. What do they used to call that?
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  Dave Hamilton: IRC. What was that?
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  Shannon Jean: Yeah, it was not IRC, but there was like a whole...
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  Shannon Jean: I can't remember the community. It was pre-AOL. It was some chat community service, but I forget.
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  Shannon Jean: It wasn't IRC. It had a GUI, a graphical interface to it, but I can't remember what it was.
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  Dave Hamilton: I started way before GUIs were a thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Shannon Jean: So I like the positioning,
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  Dave Hamilton: And I think you're totally right. I agree with your daughter.
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  Dave Hamilton: I mean, I certainly had a computer before I was able to get online.
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  Dave Hamilton: And it was a big chore to get my computer online.
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  Dave Hamilton: I had an Apple IIc, which it needed a reverse serial cable. It was a whole thing.
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  Dave Hamilton: It took probably a year before we figured out how to make a modem work with
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  Dave Hamilton: this computer. It was a super frustrating thing.
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  Dave Hamilton: And I was using it and loving having this computer. Don't get me wrong.
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  Dave Hamilton: And I'd been using computers, you know, for years prior to that. but
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  Dave Hamilton: once i got online the purpose of that computer was to get me online like it
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  Dave Hamilton: it changed everything for me in that moment and and online meant something very
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  Dave Hamilton: different then than it does today but it was still the same thing yeah but.
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  Shannon Jean: And it did the same thing where it created more
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  Dave Hamilton: Abundance and it created community and abundance and all of yes yes.
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  Shannon Jean: Yes there's negative sides to it but that's just life and and so
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  Dave Hamilton: And those negative sides everybody says
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  Dave Hamilton: social media and when they say this they mean facebook and x and you know instagram
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  Dave Hamilton: or whatever social media has ruined is terrible it's ruined things and i'm like
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  Dave Hamilton: well it but like this this is not new i had bulletin boards when i was a kid
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  Dave Hamilton: that's what we dialed up to board.
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  Shannon Jean: One of the software yeah yeah and
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  Dave Hamilton: We like Like we had the same, there were bullying problems.
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  Dave Hamilton: There were people that had major life consequences because of what happened
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  Dave Hamilton: on bulletin boards. Like it was all this.
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  Dave Hamilton: It's human nature is what causes these problems, not.
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  Dave Hamilton: Facebook, I mean, Facebook and Instagram, like they fed into this and they've
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  Dave Hamilton: made profitable business.
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  Dave Hamilton: We weren't making profitable businesses out of it back then,
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  Dave Hamilton: you know, but the human nature element of this ain't no different today than
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  Dave Hamilton: it was 40 years ago or 140 years ago. We just didn't have computers back then.
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  Shannon Jean: That's right. Yeah. I was trying to name it that bulletin board I used to get
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  Shannon Jean: into, but yeah, I think it's great.
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  Shannon Jean: And I love, I think the, I think the big takeaway today is yours the uh that
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  Shannon Jean: we should be calling it assistive assistant assistive technology
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  Dave Hamilton: So see i might disagree with you i i actually i
• 20:11
  Dave Hamilton: think that yeah assistive intelligence it's still a intelligence that is yeah
• 20:15
  Dave Hamilton: yeah yeah but i would argue that the kind of the the the iteration of what we
• 20:22
  Dave Hamilton: came up with with yours that if you're only using your chatbot as a chatbot
• 20:26
  Dave Hamilton: uh you're You're not using it enough.
• 20:29
  Dave Hamilton: I think that's the more important, the bigger takeaway for this.
• 20:34
  Dave Hamilton: I don't know. Okay. I don't know.
• 20:36
  Dave Hamilton: We have to decide.
• 20:39
  Dave Hamilton: So like we can't end the episode.
• 20:41
  Shannon Jean: I'm willing to, yeah, I think they're both really important. Yeah. I think that...
• 20:47
  Shannon Jean: Yeah, I'm okay with the using your AI for smaller, simpler things in your life. Yeah.
• 20:57
  Shannon Jean: And not just using it as a chat bot. I think that's very important.
• 21:00
  Shannon Jean: I would hope that, and maybe we're just farther along, I would hope that'd be obvious by now.
• 21:05
  Dave Hamilton: Well, I think that's why I'm going with it. Because the AI is assistive intelligence.
• 21:12
  Dave Hamilton: I mean, I obviously agree with that. I brought up the topic.
• 21:14
  Dave Hamilton: But like that, that's, that's not as, I guess, I guess if you think,
• 21:21
  Dave Hamilton: if you take that thought like we did and extend it, there is value to it.
• 21:27
  Shannon Jean: That's what I meant. That's what I'm looking at is the way you think about it,
• 21:31
  Shannon Jean: the way you talk about it to other people that, because most people are people
• 21:36
  Shannon Jean: that I talk to, like the civilians that work for other people and do other stuff.
• 21:40
  Shannon Jean: They're really nervous about it because they're getting, I think there's,
• 21:44
  Shannon Jean: we should talk about this next week, but I think there is a concerted effort to,
• 21:49
  Shannon Jean: to flip the script on AI and data centers and make them negative to,
• 21:55
  Shannon Jean: especially to a specific demographic or age group, I guess, maybe not demographic.
• 22:03
  Dave Hamilton: Yeah, okay. That is a demographic, an age group. That's a demographic.
• 22:06
  Shannon Jean: Okay, so that's a demographic. Okay, make sure. So especially like I've been
• 22:10
  Shannon Jean: watching some things where during graduation commencement speeches,
• 22:15
  Shannon Jean: any mention of AI has been booed by the college graduates
• 22:21
  Shannon Jean: who I think are worried about their jobs.
• 22:23
  Shannon Jean: And I think there's more to it. And I'm going to hold this for next week. Okay.
• 22:27
  Shannon Jean: I believe, and I can break it down, I think there's more to it than this just casually happening.
• 22:33
  Dave Hamilton: Oh, interesting. Yeah. Yeah.
• 22:35
  Shannon Jean: So that'll be for next Friday. I'm going to make a note right now.
• 22:38
  Dave Hamilton: That's great. Yeah, make a note. That's good. All right.
• 22:42
  Dave Hamilton: Yes, I should have started the little vamp happening, but now it's good. Look at that.
• 22:48
  Dave Hamilton: There you go. Ask and ye shall receive. Thanks for hanging out with us,
• 22:52
  Dave Hamilton: folks. This is, it's always fun.
• 22:54
  Dave Hamilton: We love what we get to do together. We do. Yeah. Thanks for hanging out.
• 23:00
  Dave Hamilton: Businessbrain.show. Feedback at businessbrain.show. And we'll see you next week.
• 23:05
  Shannon Jean: See ya.