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Credlin | 8 June · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peto Kranblin live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the program. Here's what's coming up
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Speaker 2: tonight on Kredline. I'll give you my take on the
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Speaker 2: whole ditch, the Witch saga billboards across Melbourne, frustration with
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Speaker 2: Center Allen clearly mounting another horror weekend for auction clearance rates.
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Speaker 2: Now the trend since Labour's horrific budget. Now, how low
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Speaker 2: will property values go? Well, I'll speak to an economist
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Speaker 2: who's been tracking this ever since the first leaks of
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Speaker 2: the tax changes came out. Plus a lot of correspondence
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Speaker 2: from you concerned about the culling, the aerial culling of
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Speaker 2: the iconic Brumbies, which recommences tomorrow. I'll speak with a
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Speaker 2: woman who runs a reserve for these horses about a
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Speaker 2: better plan, she says is sitting idle on a minister's desk.
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Speaker 2: Plus massive Newspole news overnight, the first Newspole now to
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Speaker 2: have one nation ahead of Labor. There's a sizemicshift going
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Speaker 2: on as a Prime minister's disapprovals hit a record high.
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Speaker 2: The PM today has done his best to brush it
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Speaker 2: all off.
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Speaker 3: They'll be a continued rise in popularism, bir of the
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Speaker 3: right or the left. It's something that we're seeing.
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Speaker 2: But first, driving around the streets of Melbourne is this
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Speaker 2: truck and billboard and it's what it says about the Premier,
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Speaker 2: just into Allen that's caused great controversy over the past
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Speaker 2: twenty four hours. And yes it harks back to another
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Speaker 2: time in federal politics. And that's where it gets interesting now.
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Speaker 2: The billboard reads ditch the Witch and it's political ad
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Speaker 2: funded by a Melbourne brothel owner, along with other businesses
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Speaker 2: that are angry at the way Labor and Allen are
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Speaker 2: running the state. Well, first up a brothel owner that's
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Speaker 2: got a sexist view of women here shock me. And
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Speaker 2: while it's been roundly condemned today he's got what he's wanted,
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Speaker 2: hasn't he. Wall to wall media coverage of the bill
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Speaker 2: board kicked along, of course by the permanent outrage machine
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Speaker 2: on the left of politics in this country. Whenever a
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Speaker 2: woman of the left cops any heat, not a woman
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Speaker 2: on the right. I hasten to say, only a left
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Speaker 2: wing woman. But I'll get to that in a moment.
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Speaker 2: Here's the Prime Minister with his outrage this morning.
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Speaker 3: You can have a disagreement with people's policy position by
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Speaker 3: all means you don't have to denigrate people in such
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Speaker 3: a personal way. It has got to stop.
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Speaker 4: Well.
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Speaker 2: First up, it strikes me as completely hypocritical for Anthony
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Speaker 2: Albert Easy to rail against misogyny when he presides over
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Speaker 2: laws in this country that diminish the biological rights of
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Speaker 2: women and girls, laws that he could fix tomorrow in
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Speaker 2: the Parliament if he was just prepared to put the
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Speaker 2: word woman back into the Sex Discrimination Act. And it
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Speaker 2: was Almin Easy who appointed this woman, doctor Anna Cody,
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Speaker 2: as his government's Sex Discrimination Commissioner. And it was this
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Speaker 2: commission that's spent hundreds of thousands of dollars your taxpayer dollars,
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Speaker 2: involving themselves in cell Grover's appeal through the courts after
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Speaker 2: she refused to let biological man rox scene tickle into
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Speaker 2: her women's only online group.
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Speaker 5: If someone is who applies for a job, for example, yes,
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Speaker 5: and it is a trans woman, and she may be
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Speaker 5: asked whether or not she intends to have children, and
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Speaker 5: if she replies, yes, I do, and then doesn't get
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Speaker 5: the job because that employer doesn't want to employ women
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Speaker 5: who may be of childbearing age, then she may have
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Speaker 5: been subjected to unlawful discrimination on the basis of potential pregnancy.
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Speaker 2: As I said, there's currently a bill before the Federal
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Speaker 2: Parliament that would fix all of this nonsense, but he
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Speaker 2: refuses to bring it on for debate. So please spare
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Speaker 2: me the crocodile tears about women, or this from his predecessor,
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Speaker 2: Julia Gillard, who wished a statement overnight from London condemning
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Speaker 2: the billboard, saying that she was disgusted by the sign
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Speaker 2: and that she was saddened to see She says, quote
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Speaker 2: this old tired trope resurrected now By that she means
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Speaker 2: the ditch the witch slogan infamously held up by a
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Speaker 2: protester at an anti carbon tax rally out the front
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Speaker 2: of Parliament House in Canberra a decade ago.
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Speaker 4: Now.
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Speaker 2: Back then, even though the Liberals had nothing to do
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Speaker 2: with the sign, they still copped the outrage from the left,
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Speaker 2: with commentators and Labour MPs directing their anger at then
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Speaker 2: Opposition leader Tony Abbott, who stood on the stage to
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Speaker 2: address the crowd and was photographed with the sign that
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Speaker 2: was then held up behind him. Now, I was there
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Speaker 2: at the time, and Abbot had nothing to do with it,
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Speaker 2: could not even see who or what was behind him,
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Speaker 2: but nonetheless said labor he was to blame, and it
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Speaker 2: became yet another part of Guillard's claim to professional victimhood. Indeed,
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Speaker 2: misogyny has been Gillard's calling card, her moneymaker, ever since
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Speaker 2: she was dumped by as Prime Minister by her labor colleagues. Yes,
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Speaker 2: she conveniently stopped short of accusing them of misogyny, doesn't
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Speaker 2: she Albanezi included, who all helped to roll her. But
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Speaker 2: what riles me about Guillard's misogyny stick then and now,
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Speaker 2: is that she herself presided presided over the greatest act
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Speaker 2: of legislative misogyny against women in this country that we
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Speaker 2: have ever seen, when she gutted the Sex Discrimination Act
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Speaker 2: to completely remove our biological rights.
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Speaker 6: Julia Gillard, it has to be noted, has dined out
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Speaker 6: for the past better part of the past decade on
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Speaker 6: being the first.
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Speaker 2: Woman prime minister in Australia.
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Speaker 5: And I will say this, I will not be lectured
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Speaker 5: on misogyny by that woman while she was there being
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Speaker 5: the first woman prime minister.
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Speaker 2: Her government put the groundwork to make this happen. I'll
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Speaker 2: stand with Selgrover on this. I mean, how dare Gilliard
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Speaker 2: claim to be this great champion of women when two
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Speaker 2: days before she was rolled she forced through changes without
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Speaker 2: proper scrutiny, and even today there's been no apology from
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Speaker 2: her about what these changes have done to the rights
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Speaker 2: of women and girls in Australia now overseas in the
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Speaker 2: UK where she now lives. Even Keir Starmer's labor parties
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Speaker 2: woken up and put back in law and government policy
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Speaker 2: the rights of biological women after a series of landmark
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Speaker 2: legal decisions, but not so here in Australia. And it
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Speaker 2: is to Gillard's great shame that her legacy, who ever
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Speaker 2: start everlasting legacy as this country's first female prime minister,
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Speaker 2: is that her record on women is worse than any
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Speaker 2: record from any of the male prime ministers. And to
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Speaker 2: send to Alan to let's not miss her here and
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Speaker 2: her record on women. They're sure she's bearing the brunt
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Speaker 2: of this latest negative political hit. But her hands, like Gillard's,
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Speaker 2: they're not clean either. As Daniel Andrew's deputy, Alan changed
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Speaker 2: the Lord and now allow any man in Victoria to
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Speaker 2: tick a box online and become a woman with a
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Speaker 2: new birth certificate. Reinforcing that biological lie. And with this change,
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Speaker 2: this man now able to call himself a transgender woman
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Speaker 2: in Victoria. Well, he can access female change rooms, toilets,
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Speaker 2: domestic violent shelters, indeed female prisons. So yes, ditch the
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Speaker 2: witch is sexist and wrong. But so too is the
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Speaker 2: case of a father with a penis who raped his
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Speaker 2: own daughter being held in a women's prison because he
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Speaker 2: now says he's a transgender woman. If we want a grade,
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Speaker 2: what here is the worst transgression towards women in Victoria.
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Speaker 2: I think it's pretty obvious. Now. I don't like sexism
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Speaker 2: in politics. No fair minded person does. But I'm heartily
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Speaker 2: sick of all the double standards on the left. Both
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Speaker 2: Gillard and alban Easy Well, they were there in the
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Speaker 2: Parliament when I copped horrific abuse from Clive Palmer over
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Speaker 2: the fact that I could not have children, that I
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Speaker 2: was using IVF, and that somehow because I was trying
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Speaker 2: to get pregnant. I suppose that I was responsible for
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Speaker 2: Tony Avis's pay parental leave scheme, when the facts show
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Speaker 2: that this was something he announced long before I ever
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Speaker 2: worked for him. Now, as a staffer, I had no
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Speaker 2: way to defend myself publicly back then. I like now
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Speaker 2: there's a good example obviously with James Ashby. Back in
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Speaker 2: my day, staff were never allowed to do media, and
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Speaker 2: so I copped it again and again and again. Now,
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Speaker 2: if I had the choice between what was said about
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Speaker 2: me at the time by Palmer and others and a
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Speaker 2: ditch the witch billboard, well neither a great But honestly,
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Speaker 2: the witch sign have been water off a duck's back
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Speaker 2: so bad was the other stuff. And believe me, there
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Speaker 2: was no one out there sticking up for me because
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Speaker 2: I am a woman of the right and it's only
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Speaker 2: the left that gets defended, perhaps because of what she's copped. Two.
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Speaker 2: Pauline Hanson was pretty direct in her response to the
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Speaker 2: billboard attack on the Victorian Premier.
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Speaker 7: Suck it up, sweetheart, right if you've seen what's happened
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Speaker 7: to me over theres I remember years ago Tim Fisher
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Speaker 7: called me a which night should be burned at the stake,
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Speaker 7: So I've been tagged that long before you. So anyway,
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Speaker 7: it's just tough enough. And besides, Jisenter, I'll tell you
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Speaker 7: something I've heard on the grape vine. You won't be
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Speaker 7: there in a couple of weeks. Time, I think they're
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Speaker 7: ready to move you on.
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Speaker 2: Look, I know what Labor's trying to do here with
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Speaker 2: this play. Now, that's to pick up sympathy for Alan
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Speaker 2: or to allow the perception to grow that somehow the
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Speaker 2: liberals are behind these billboard signs. Now, of course they're not,
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Speaker 2: and a liberally just Wilson today condemned them. But what's
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Speaker 2: clear is that Wilson didn't allow it to become a
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Speaker 2: distraction as she focused on her push to defeat sin
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Speaker 2: to Allan.
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Speaker 8: Of course, it's inappropriate and that sort of language, that
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Speaker 8: sort of discourse should never be used in politics. And
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Speaker 8: you know, we shouldn't see this happening on our streets.
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Speaker 8: As I said, it's not appropriate language. It's not appropriate
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Speaker 8: language when we're talking about, you know, what is going
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Speaker 8: wrong in this state and with the many concerns in
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Speaker 8: this state. There are many criticisms of Premier just In
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Speaker 8: too Alan, and there are many legitimate criticisms, like the
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Speaker 8: fact that we're standing here today because police stations keep
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Speaker 8: closing their.
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Speaker 4: Doors to sink to.
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Speaker 2: Alan is struggling in the polls. Now, Rumors are at
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Speaker 2: fever pitch that her colleagues will roll her within the
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Speaker 2: next fortnite. Not because she's a woman, but because she's
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Speaker 2: an appalling premier and has presided over corruption on a
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Speaker 2: grand scale and crime statistics that are a national disgrace,
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Speaker 2: with a two hundred billion dollar debt, no plan to
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Speaker 2: pay off any of it, and business is fleeing the state.
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Speaker 2: A sexist billboard is the least of her worries, and
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Speaker 2: believe me, voters are not the slightest bit interested in
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Speaker 2: any of this. The baseball bats are out for labor
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Speaker 2: in Victoria. That's the reality of it. Bad billboards or not,
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Speaker 2: whether the premiers are bloke or a woman. Let's get
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Speaker 2: to the headlines now, Skynye political reporter cam Reddan.
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Speaker 9: Good evening, the latest News poll has one Nation tracking
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Speaker 9: ahead of the two major parties for the first time.
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Speaker 7: People are now really becoming rusted onto one nation. You
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Speaker 7: know people that are staunched labor, they said no more,
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Speaker 7: We've had enough.
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Speaker 9: Pauline Hanson's party has taken an historic lead in News poll.
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Speaker 9: It's primary vote of thirty one percent leads Labor by
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Speaker 9: a point and the Coalition by thirteen. It's a result
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Speaker 9: no side of politics can ignore.
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Speaker 3: Many people feel that the system isn't working for them,
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Speaker 3: which was the backdrop of the decisions, hard decisions that
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Speaker 3: we made on the budget.
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Speaker 10: I can tell you you might want to blow the
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Speaker 10: show up, but you could make a lot worse.
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Speaker 9: Renowned researcher, pathologist and former Australian of the Year Richard
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Speaker 9: Scollier has died after a long battle with brain cancer.
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Speaker 5: Richard was talented, passionate, selfless and loyal.
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Speaker 11: I think many families all across the state are grieving,
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Speaker 11: whether your knew Richard or not. A big, kind hearted
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Speaker 11: person who devoted his professional life to making life better.
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Speaker 3: The hearts of all Australians go out to his wife,
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Speaker 3: doctor Katie Nickel, who I spoke with this morning and
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Speaker 3: offered a state funeral for Professor Scowier.
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Speaker 9: Cameron Reddin's Sky News Canberra.
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Speaker 2: All right, on this King's Birthday Monday, I'm James Square.
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Speaker 2: I've got to James's tonight, National affairs editor at the Telegraph,
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Speaker 2: Sky host James Morrow and boy and Hanson's chief of
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Speaker 2: staff One Nation's James Ashby. Welcome to you both. James Morrill,
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Speaker 2: I'll start with you. We now have trend in these
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Speaker 2: polls and I always like to look at trend. This
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Speaker 2: is the first News poll that's got One Nation ahead
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Speaker 2: of Labor. Of course we've had that with Redbridge for
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Speaker 2: a number of poles. Last week's Sky's Pulse poll also
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Speaker 2: show this result. It's a significant jump up there in
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Speaker 2: primary for One Nation thirty one down to Labor thirty
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Speaker 2: and the Coalition losing three to eighteen. Give me your
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Speaker 2: take on this.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really fascinating, isn't it, Peter. One of the
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Speaker 1: really interesting things to do also is to track how
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Speaker 1: these various poles News Poll, the Sky News Pulse and
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Speaker 1: some of the other ones, you know, the red Bridge,
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Speaker 1: how they've all tracked and the curve that they've followed
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Speaker 1: of support for One Nation. And I saw a really
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Speaker 1: interesting analysis today, Peter, which suggested that the same curve
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Speaker 1: over time maps almost exactly to the support for the
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Speaker 1: nocase for the Voice, and that this is you know,
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Speaker 1: another one of these instances where Australians are saying, you know,
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Speaker 1: they did with the Voice and they're doing it now again,
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Speaker 1: saying we are fed up with the political class. I
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Speaker 1: think it's a huge worry now for the Coalition because
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Speaker 1: you know, I've been telling to people in country Victoria
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Speaker 1: today and New South Wales and the people they're speaking to. Yes,
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of people who are just angry at
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Speaker 1: the Coalition who are former coalition members, but there's a
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Speaker 1: lot of people out there who are former labor people
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Speaker 1: now who are going and are feeling like neither the Coalition,
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Speaker 1: nor the nor the Labor Party obviously has solutions to
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Speaker 1: a system that they think is fundamentally broken. And it's
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Speaker 1: really fascinating to see here that I think it's more
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Speaker 1: than just parking a vote now, it's a real desire.
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Speaker 1: It's that twenty sixteen thing in America to just flip
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Speaker 1: the table because what we've got now is not working.
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Speaker 1: That's what people are saying.
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Speaker 2: Well, James, is a lot of experts that think they're
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Speaker 2: experts on Scone used about one nice polling you'r faed income.
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Speaker 2: So I've got to ask you, this looks to me
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Speaker 2: beyond just to blow the show up vote. I mean,
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Speaker 2: I know people have been saying that today, all the
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Speaker 2: commentators sitting here on Sky. I think it's more than that.
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Speaker 2: I think there's now a hope in this vote. People
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Speaker 2: are hoping for a new Australia or perhaps a return
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Speaker 2: to the Australia they feel is lost. So there's a
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Speaker 2: positive in this vote. It's not just blow the show up,
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Speaker 2: creep me if I'm wrong.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 12: Look, the more that Paul Kelly and others of his
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Speaker 12: ilk come out and say that this is just a
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Speaker 12: flash in the pans sort of moment, I love it
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Speaker 12: when they say that.
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Speaker 4: I'm just waiting for it to come off the boil.
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Speaker 4: The difference is, though, it just continues to grow. And look, I.
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Speaker 12: Know we've got a long way to go before we
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Speaker 12: ourse this toxic Labor government, but the reality is it's
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Speaker 12: within reach and we're two years out from an election now.
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Speaker 4: Obviously Labor have still had time to turn things around.
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Speaker 12: But I think after this budget that's been delivered, there
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Speaker 12: is more and more people, even who would typically vote
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Speaker 12: for Labor who are saying, look, they're done, we can't
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Speaker 12: back this party any longer, and we're turning to somebody,
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Speaker 12: not the Liberal Party, turning to one Nation. And I
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Speaker 12: don't think that will change. Labor voters will not go
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Speaker 12: to the Liberal Party, and Liberal Party voters will not
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Speaker 12: go to Labor. So we're that midway point and they're
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Speaker 12: seeing a sensible policy that's been put forward, and we're
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Speaker 12: about to roll out a whole swag of very well known,
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Speaker 12: very credible candidates in the next six months. And I
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Speaker 12: think when that happens, that's when you'll see a fresh surge.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting, James. If you look back at the
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Speaker 2: election last year, one nation had six percent of the vote,
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Speaker 2: and of course the Libs then put in Susan Lee
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Speaker 2: and she basically said on day one in her first
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Speaker 2: press conference, we don't believe in anything. We're going to
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Speaker 2: review all of our policies, and of course there was
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Speaker 2: this massive, massive tanking of the coalition's vote from there.
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Speaker 2: I think that's the Liberal Party's pinch point. And BONDAI.
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Speaker 2: We saw that really significant spike coming to one Nation.
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Speaker 2: But you know, on the other side, on the labor side,
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Speaker 2: the pinch points to the budget, isn't it.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, it's sure. It has been killed them and
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Speaker 4: it's James Morrow.
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Speaker 2: You first, James Morrell, come to you first, James Murraw, Oh.
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Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, yeah, no, No. I think the budget and
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Speaker 1: BONDI those are the two things that crystallized this opposition
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Speaker 1: to labor. That is where I think the vote really
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Speaker 1: started flooding. Out of labor, and you had a lot
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Speaker 1: of people, you know, you had people like KOs Samaras
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Speaker 1: out there saying no, no, no, this is only a
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Speaker 1: liberal phenomenon. It's just a shifting of the deck chairs
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Speaker 1: on the right. But those two things there, Bondai and
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Speaker 1: the budget, they both represented a fundamental reordering of society
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Speaker 1: that people didn't like. Bondai was, of course crystallizing all
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Speaker 1: of the worries that we had about you know, migration
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Speaker 1: and Islamic fundamentalism and everything we've seen in October seventh.
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Speaker 1: And then the budget comes in and that crystallizes this
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Speaker 1: whole other problem, Peter, which is, you know, who do
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Speaker 1: we work for? Does the government work for us or
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Speaker 1: do we work for the government, which is where Albinizi
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Speaker 1: is taking this. And so those two things that's taken people,
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Speaker 1: not just people on the right, but all over the place,
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Speaker 1: I think over to one nation.
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Speaker 2: James, James Morri, James Ashby. I watched with interest that
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Speaker 2: blow up about the housing policy brew haha last week.
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Speaker 2: You know, you know, Barnaby said this and then he
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Speaker 2: had to backtrack. It made some phone calls. All of
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Speaker 2: that stuff. You look at that you look at the
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Speaker 2: issue you've got with you Wa Senator who may or
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Speaker 2: may not be in breach of Section forty four. I
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Speaker 2: don't think people care. I honestly, it's a bit like
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Speaker 2: issues with Farage or a little bit of Trump's history
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Speaker 2: before he ran for president. I think people have sort
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Speaker 2: of they've had a look. They know that none of
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Speaker 2: the individuals are perfect. They've sort of factored that into
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Speaker 2: their bottom line and it's not move moving them at all.
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Speaker 2: In fact, the more the media comes down on Hanson
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Speaker 2: or down on say Joyce over housing policy, the more
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Speaker 2: they say, well, bugger off, media, you're part of the problem.
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Speaker 2: You keep backing in these two these two main parties
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Speaker 2: have let me down and there's a discount factor applied
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Speaker 2: to what the media say.
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Speaker 12: Well, on the Time Witten matter, there is no Section
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Speaker 12: forty four issue. We know that Snowy Hydro is a corporation.
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Speaker 12: This has been tested once before in our federal court,
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Speaker 12: sorry in our High court, so we know that there
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Speaker 12: is no issue on Section forty four. As for Barnaby, look,
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Speaker 12: mistakes happen on live TV and pre record. The point
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Speaker 12: to this is Barnaby corrected the record, unlike the Prime
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Speaker 12: Minister who still tries to claim that he never fell
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Speaker 12: off a stage, and that's been captured on video and
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Speaker 12: played countless time. So look, we're not perfect. No politician is.
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Speaker 12: Any politician who does say they're perfect is a lie
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Speaker 12: to start with. And look, we will get things wrong
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Speaker 12: from time to time, but it's about being honest with
20:04
Speaker 12: the Australian public and say when you do get those
20:06
Speaker 12: things wrong and move on, simple as that.
20:11
Speaker 2: Ditch the witch. James, give me your take on this.
20:15
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I think if I lived in Melbourne,
20:19
Speaker 1: whether as a man or a woman, I'd be a
20:21
Speaker 1: lot more offended by the things that are going on
20:22
Speaker 1: in the streets of Melbourne. You know, machete fights, torching
20:26
Speaker 1: of restaurants and hospitality venues that I would buy, you know,
20:30
Speaker 1: some clownish billboard billboard going around the streets. This is
20:34
Speaker 1: such a distraction and it is just it's ridiculous to
20:38
Speaker 1: see the premiere there Victoria do the whole sort of
20:40
Speaker 1: woe is me. I'm so offended by this thing. Okay,
20:42
Speaker 1: sure offensive, sure it's not nice, but this is such
20:46
Speaker 1: a distraction from the chaotic, corrupt, broke, bankrupt, crime ridden
20:52
Speaker 1: government that we have in Victoria. They love this. They're
20:54
Speaker 1: playing this up as much as they can, but you
20:57
Speaker 1: know this does not deserve to be a big story.
21:02
Speaker 2: Yeah, James Morrow's right there, James ashby labor, particularly Victorian labor.
21:06
Speaker 2: But you know Gillard weighed in and Albert Easy weighed in.
21:09
Speaker 2: They're all grabbing his clutching at this straw as hard
21:12
Speaker 2: as they can.
21:15
Speaker 4: Yeah.
21:15
Speaker 12: Look, it's one thing for Jacinta Allen to play the victim.
21:19
Speaker 12: But when I saw the Prime Minister's comments today, basically
21:22
Speaker 12: saying don't go the personal attacks, that is precisely what
21:27
Speaker 12: this man does, and I've seen it firsthand. Pauline Hansen
21:30
Speaker 12: has had her staff reduced down to two personal staff
21:35
Speaker 12: under this Prime minister. It has been nothing but a
21:38
Speaker 12: personal attack. No, he didn't use cheap words like witch.
21:42
Speaker 12: But he's treating Pauline Hanson like a witch and anyone
21:45
Speaker 12: who is in opposition to him by starving her of staff.
21:49
Speaker 12: It's as good as putting a placard saying ditch the witch.
21:53
Speaker 12: But he's just doing it in a cunning, sly way.
21:55
Speaker 12: And that's the act of this Prime Minister. I wouldn't
21:58
Speaker 12: trust him as far as I could throw him. His
22:00
Speaker 12: words are empty. They're hollow, and so is the man.
22:04
Speaker 12: He's got nothing up top. He just likes to play
22:06
Speaker 12: the game. He loves to play the victim, and he
22:09
Speaker 12: will do anything to win in this next election, even
22:13
Speaker 12: if that means robbing every household when it comes to
22:16
Speaker 12: taxes and pretending, oh, I've just changed my views on things.
22:23
Speaker 2: Well, look at the smoke and mirrors James Morrow in
22:26
Speaker 2: relation to Bondi in the aftermath, he made it all
22:29
Speaker 2: about lax gun laws, or so he claimed. We all
22:32
Speaker 2: know that that's not what it's about. It was absolutely
22:35
Speaker 2: about radical Islam, Islamic extremism. He couldn't even bring himself
22:41
Speaker 2: to use those phrases. He had to hide away in Camber.
22:44
Speaker 2: He was there in the dead of night for the
22:45
Speaker 2: first time with his cheap little bunch of flowers. And
22:48
Speaker 2: then he moved on and it was left to everybody else,
22:50
Speaker 2: Chris Min's and others to stand up and deal with
22:54
Speaker 2: the community outrage. But it's telling now if you look
22:57
Speaker 2: at his so called gun deal. He might get New
23:00
Speaker 2: South Wales, but even all the other labor states, James Morrow,
23:04
Speaker 2: they've walked away.
23:05
Speaker 1: Well, they have walked away because it was a nonsense
23:07
Speaker 1: proposition from the start of it. I mean, if you
23:11
Speaker 1: look at the homicide statistics in this country and you
23:14
Speaker 1: take Bondai out of them, you know, firearms homicides from
23:18
Speaker 1: licensed firearms are incredibly vanishingly rare. It almost never happens.
23:25
Speaker 1: And so this idea that there's all these guns out
23:27
Speaker 1: there in people's gun safs that need to be you know,
23:31
Speaker 1: taken away and bought back and all that because they're
23:33
Speaker 1: posing some sort of existential threat was a complete nonsense.
23:37
Speaker 1: I'm very glad to see that this thing is falling apart,
23:40
Speaker 1: but it's part of the whole distraction. You know, Oh,
23:42
Speaker 1: it's just extremism in general. You know, it could have
23:45
Speaker 1: been right way, extremism, could have been Islam. We don't know,
23:47
Speaker 1: it could have been anything. And it's again, it's part
23:50
Speaker 1: of the tricky distraction politics because they see the crisis
23:55
Speaker 1: Bondai over here, and then they say, oh, you know,
23:57
Speaker 1: we'd love to do We'd love to go have another
23:59
Speaker 1: crack the fibers with their guns. It's so transparent.
24:04
Speaker 2: James, I write about this, James Murrow, I'll get your
24:06
Speaker 2: comment because I know you've not long been in the States,
24:08
Speaker 2: but I was driving around the back blocks of the
24:11
Speaker 2: western part of Melbourne and I found all this stuff
24:14
Speaker 2: just dumped by the side of the road. I mean fridges, prams, beds, couches.
24:19
Speaker 2: I saw a guy that looked to me as if
24:21
Speaker 2: he was offloading a rusted out hot water system. You
24:25
Speaker 2: walk down Melbourne's some parts of Melbourne in the CBT,
24:27
Speaker 2: it looks like mogod Isshue. The beautiful western civilization of
24:32
Speaker 2: our cities in Australia and many in Europe as well,
24:35
Speaker 2: that they're starting to look very third World. So all
24:38
Speaker 2: credit to President Trump. I know he has his critics,
24:41
Speaker 2: but he said he would clean up Washington, he would
24:44
Speaker 2: make it look like America's capital again. We've seen already
24:48
Speaker 2: the Lincoln Memorial. It's filling up with water. It looks
24:50
Speaker 2: absolutely fantastic. It's beautiful. We've got that Columbus Fountain too.
24:56
Speaker 2: There was a whole lot of graffiti on that. It's
24:59
Speaker 2: now opera as it shoed. All the stone has been cleaned.
25:03
Speaker 2: It's that one there. You can see what it looked
25:05
Speaker 2: like under Joe Biden, what it looks like now under
25:07
Speaker 2: President Trump. This has got to be a real shot
25:10
Speaker 2: in the arm for DC, doesn't it.
25:12
Speaker 1: James Morrow, Absolutely, Peter, I mean everybody should take a
25:16
Speaker 1: page out of this book, all the mayors in big cities.
25:19
Speaker 1: What you're saying about Melbourne is so spot on. The
25:21
Speaker 1: last time I was in Melbourne for the F one,
25:23
Speaker 1: it was just, you know, it was grim walking around
25:25
Speaker 1: the CBD. I used to love to go to Melbourne,
25:28
Speaker 1: and what's happened to Melbourne's a disgrace. But DC, you know,
25:31
Speaker 1: I went to a university there. I've lived in Washington,
25:34
Speaker 1: d C. And again that city was allowed to run down.
25:36
Speaker 1: It's a beautiful city with all this neoclassical architecture. The statues.
25:41
Speaker 1: Union Station should be one of the most beautiful train
25:45
Speaker 1: stations in the entire world. Good on Trump for fixing
25:48
Speaker 1: this stuff, because you know what, he doesn't go and
25:50
Speaker 1: do twelve years of consultation and environmental impact statements and
25:55
Speaker 1: you know, working out whether we need placards, saying that
25:57
Speaker 1: Columbus was actually a terrible person, and all of this stuff.
25:59
Speaker 1: He says, No, Okay, we need to get guys to
26:01
Speaker 1: clean the statues. We need someone to fix the pool.
26:04
Speaker 1: This is what happens when you have a builder in
26:06
Speaker 1: this rule and I think it's beyond parties in politics.
26:09
Speaker 1: I just think it's great. I'd love to see it.
26:11
Speaker 1: I'd love to see it everywhere in these cities.
26:15
Speaker 2: I'd love to see more of it in Australia. I
26:16
Speaker 2: like to see lawn's man. I'd like to see rubbish
26:18
Speaker 2: picked up, all the basics done. Thank you to your
26:21
Speaker 2: boats all right, after the break, another bad weekend for auctions.
26:25
Speaker 2: But this is a trend that's been occurring even before
26:28
Speaker 2: the budget goes back to when the leaks started to come.
26:31
Speaker 2: We'll speak to an economist after the break. Welcome back.
26:39
Speaker 2: I know this is something so many of you have
26:41
Speaker 2: made contact with me about the culling which begins tomorrow
26:45
Speaker 2: of the iconic Brumbies in the Kosiosco National Park. We'll
26:49
Speaker 2: get to that in a moment. There's a woman who
26:51
Speaker 2: runs a refuge. She said there is a far more
26:55
Speaker 2: humane approach to deal with the numbers, but it's sitting
26:58
Speaker 2: on a minister's desk. I'll speak to her shortly. But
27:02
Speaker 2: now to the collapse of Australia's auction market. Some pretty
27:05
Speaker 2: stark results from the weekend showing that nationally we had
27:08
Speaker 2: a clearance rate of just forty three percent. Now, yes,
27:12
Speaker 2: it was a long weekend, so you would expect some
27:15
Speaker 2: fall in clearance rates. But as I showed you last week,
27:18
Speaker 2: this is part now of an ongoing trend and it
27:22
Speaker 2: started prior to the budget, so back when there was
27:25
Speaker 2: all that speculation of property tax changes on budget night.
27:30
Speaker 2: As reported by Leith van Onslin of Micro Business of
27:33
Speaker 2: Macro Business, both Sydney and Melbourne have experienced price drops
27:38
Speaker 2: over the past quarter of more than two percent, and
27:41
Speaker 2: that even more drops are to be expected. This is wirrying,
27:45
Speaker 2: of course, to anyone concerned about the value of their home,
27:49
Speaker 2: which is almost all of us, isn't it. Macro business
27:53
Speaker 2: economist Leith and Onsten joins me. Now, well, Leith, as
27:56
Speaker 2: I said, yes, it's a long weekend, but the trend here,
28:00
Speaker 2: like with all polls, is what should really concern us. All.
28:04
Speaker 10: Yeah, absolutely, Look, the bottom has fallen out of the
28:07
Speaker 10: auction market. There's no doubt about that. You speak to
28:09
Speaker 10: any real estate agent Tom Panos for example, who's very prominent,
28:13
Speaker 10: they all tell you the same thing. Even before this weekend,
28:17
Speaker 10: the average final auction clearance rate in Sydney had fallen
28:20
Speaker 10: below fifty percent. In May which was the lowest since
28:24
Speaker 10: April twenty twenty. Melbourne's in the low fifties, that's the
28:27
Speaker 10: lowest since July twenty twenty two, and Brisbane just this
28:30
Speaker 10: weekend recorded its lowest preliminary clearance rate since May twenty twenty.
28:34
Speaker 10: So by demand has absolutely collapsed at the same time
28:37
Speaker 10: as for sale listings rising across the nation.
28:42
Speaker 2: And we've also got the situation if you're trying to
28:44
Speaker 2: sell your home and let's say it's an existing home,
28:47
Speaker 2: well it would be if you're selling it and you
28:49
Speaker 2: once come from the developer. But so it's an existing
28:51
Speaker 2: home you're about to sell it, you've got a much
28:55
Speaker 2: smaller pool of buyers. I mean, you're investor class. They're
28:59
Speaker 2: gone now.
29:01
Speaker 10: Yeah, absolutely, so Yeah, it all depends on your perspective.
29:04
Speaker 10: So if you're somebody who's selling your home and you're
29:06
Speaker 10: ont upgrade into a bigger home, it's actually probably a
29:08
Speaker 10: pretty good time because you sell your home into a
29:10
Speaker 10: falling market and then you can buy the next time
29:12
Speaker 10: with a smaller gap in between that. But of course
29:14
Speaker 10: it always depends on your perspective. You know, some people
29:19
Speaker 10: will like the fact that house prices are falling because
29:21
Speaker 10: it means that in the future they'll be able to
29:23
Speaker 10: purchase the home cheaper. So, for example, a prospective first
29:26
Speaker 10: home buyer, But then again, if you're one of the
29:29
Speaker 10: recent first home buyers, wh will suck it into the
29:31
Speaker 10: market under the five percent deposit scheme. I think you're
29:33
Speaker 10: going to be pretty angry, Peter, because you're just seeing
29:36
Speaker 10: three interest rate hikes, so your mortgage payments have gone up,
29:39
Speaker 10: and now you're facing the prospect of negative equity if
29:41
Speaker 10: you purchased in Sydney and Melbourne, because soon in your
29:44
Speaker 10: home could be worth less than the mortgage. So I
29:46
Speaker 10: think those people be pretty angry.
29:50
Speaker 2: Or if you're someone in your sort of mid career,
29:52
Speaker 2: midlife and you want to downsize and what you might
29:56
Speaker 2: make on the cell of your house of the suburbs
29:58
Speaker 2: where you raise your family is going to help fund
30:01
Speaker 2: your retirement, you're very concerned if your property values are
30:04
Speaker 2: going to drop.
30:05
Speaker 10: Yeah, well, I mean, I honestly think we're facing the
30:07
Speaker 10: biggest housing correction in forty years paid And it's pretty simple.
30:11
Speaker 10: We've got interest rates that are forecast to hit fifteen
30:14
Speaker 10: year highs later this year. We've got consumer sentiment tracking
30:17
Speaker 10: at around fifty here lows, which is unbelievable. The government's
30:20
Speaker 10: just made the changes the negative geary and capital gains
30:22
Speaker 10: tax which has smashed investor demand and a trunk borrowing
30:25
Speaker 10: capacity for investors. And finally we've got unemployment rising. So
30:28
Speaker 10: I think this is going to be the biggest housing
30:31
Speaker 10: correction in forty years.
30:32
Speaker 2: Wow. So is there any upside here you can see
30:36
Speaker 2: for anybody?
30:37
Speaker 1: Well?
30:37
Speaker 10: I mean certainly if you're someone who hasn't entered the
30:39
Speaker 10: market yet, and you'll be loving this right because you're
30:44
Speaker 10: a first home buyer, will turn up to an option,
30:46
Speaker 10: they're not likely to compete against investors, and they're likely
30:49
Speaker 10: to pay lower prices. Alternatively, if you're someone who's upgrading
30:53
Speaker 10: selling into a falling market's fantastic because you sell first
30:56
Speaker 10: and then you look around and then you buy a
30:57
Speaker 10: home and you'll be able to upgrade for cheapest. Look,
31:00
Speaker 10: there's always winners and losers out of this.
31:03
Speaker 2: Let me just jump in there. Say you're a first
31:05
Speaker 2: home buyer. If rates are climbing, you're going to have
31:09
Speaker 2: to have more of a deposit, You're going to have
31:10
Speaker 2: to demonstrate with your income. And let's say there's volatility
31:13
Speaker 2: in your industry and you're worried about your job. You're
31:16
Speaker 2: going to have to demonstrate that you can match repaying
31:19
Speaker 2: back bigger and bigger loan amounts.
31:21
Speaker 10: Oh yeah, yeah, I mean absolutely. I'm talking more about
31:24
Speaker 10: the changes to negative geared and capital gains tax. I
31:26
Speaker 10: think if you're a perspective first home by, you probably
31:28
Speaker 10: like that. But then again, if you're a recent first
31:31
Speaker 10: home by, you're going to hate it because you've just
31:32
Speaker 10: been sucking in on a five percent deposit and you're
31:35
Speaker 10: facing the prospect of negative equity. But yeah, certainly people
31:38
Speaker 10: don't like rising interest rates, and for good reason, because
31:41
Speaker 10: that lowers your borrowing capacity and also increases your monthly repayments.
31:45
Speaker 10: But other things equal, if if you're a future first
31:48
Speaker 10: home buyer, you'll like the fact that prices are coming down.
31:53
Speaker 2: What about this claim you've picked up from the Housing
31:55
Speaker 2: Minister Clara O'Neil looks like a bit of a fib
31:57
Speaker 2: she's saying that for the first time in a quarter
31:58
Speaker 2: now you houses are being built faster.
32:03
Speaker 10: You say this is wrong, Oh absolutely, I mean just
32:05
Speaker 10: just look at the data, the actual dwelling completion, so
32:09
Speaker 10: actual homes that have been built tracking in about one
32:11
Speaker 10: hundred and seventy two thousand a year, which is about
32:15
Speaker 10: twenty six percent below the government's fantastical five year housing target,
32:20
Speaker 10: which is to build children and forty thousand homes a year.
32:22
Speaker 10: So we're not even close to building enough homes to
32:25
Speaker 10: keep up with the government's mass migration. And as a result,
32:27
Speaker 10: we've got a rental vaacy rate that's at a historical loan.
32:30
Speaker 10: We've got rent soaring. So I don't know what she's
32:32
Speaker 10: talking about. I think she's drunk the kool aid or
32:35
Speaker 10: is basically trying to gas lighters.
32:38
Speaker 2: We know with that negative gearing length, if you've currently
32:41
Speaker 2: got a negative gearing property, negative geared property, that will
32:45
Speaker 2: stay negatively geared until such time as you sell it. Fine,
32:50
Speaker 2: and that could be one year, that could be ten years.
32:53
Speaker 2: What about CGT because the government says it's grandfather, but
32:57
Speaker 2: it's not grandfather forever in a day, is it? No?
33:00
Speaker 10: No, it's not. So from from one July next year,
33:03
Speaker 10: it'll basically be a hybrid system. So if you've already
33:05
Speaker 10: got an existing rental property, you can basically get the
33:09
Speaker 10: old fifty percent discount up to one July next year,
33:13
Speaker 10: and then after that time it'll be under the new regime,
33:15
Speaker 10: so it'll be based on the amount of time that
33:18
Speaker 10: you hold the property. So for example, if you held
33:20
Speaker 10: it for five years under the old regime, in five
33:22
Speaker 10: years under the new regime, you basically get capital gains
33:25
Speaker 10: tax charge at fifty percent of both regimes. So it's
33:29
Speaker 10: a little bit complicated, and that's basically because you can't
33:33
Speaker 10: you can't value a property accurately until you sell it,
33:35
Speaker 10: So they're just going to take the time of holding
33:37
Speaker 10: and they'll proportion it under the old regime versus new regime.
33:42
Speaker 2: I don't think a lot of people have worked that out.
33:44
Speaker 2: I think they think that the CGT is grandfather for
33:46
Speaker 2: even a day, like the negative linkedeared option is.
33:51
Speaker 10: Yeah, absolutely, so it's grand failed up into one July
33:54
Speaker 10: next year, but then every year you hold the property afterwards,
33:56
Speaker 10: the proportion that you hold it in the from one
33:59
Speaker 10: July next you will be under the new regime. So
34:01
Speaker 10: it's going to be this sort of messy hybrid system.
34:04
Speaker 2: All right, Well leave it there, thank you, Leif you've
34:07
Speaker 2: uncovered quite a bit there for people to digest at home,
34:09
Speaker 2: thank you. All right, quick break. After the break, we'll
34:12
Speaker 2: get into this whole issue, the aerial culling of the
34:15
Speaker 2: iconic Brumbies set to begin tomorrow. I have a very
34:24
Speaker 2: clever friend who said, forget ditch the witch fire, the liar.
34:29
Speaker 2: No one can be upset about that. That's not misogynist.
34:31
Speaker 2: I love it if you work for to sint to Alan,
34:34
Speaker 2: and it could work for Anthony alb and easy coming
34:36
Speaker 2: up to We're going to look back at that murder
34:38
Speaker 2: of Henry Novak. There's been huge ramifications, of course on
34:41
Speaker 2: the weekend and those comments from Pete Hegsath on the
34:45
Speaker 2: money on the beaches of Normandy for D Day. But
34:48
Speaker 2: Jesus got people angry in the States and in the
34:51
Speaker 2: United Kingdom. But now there's something I know that many
34:53
Speaker 2: of you have contacted me about the controversy surrounding the
34:57
Speaker 2: Colored Brumbies and the Cosiosko National Park which is set
35:02
Speaker 2: to resume tomorrow and our scores of wild horses are
35:05
Speaker 2: set to be shot from the air as part of
35:08
Speaker 2: eradication plans to control their numbers. There is significant concern
35:13
Speaker 2: tonight that are more humane. An even cheaper alternative plan
35:17
Speaker 2: has sat on the desk of the New South Wales
35:19
Speaker 2: Labor Minister Penny sharp and has not been considered. Jenny
35:24
Speaker 2: Cole is the managing director of a Wild Brumby Reserve,
35:27
Speaker 2: Umbungo South and she joins me, Now, Jenny, thank you
35:32
Speaker 2: for your time. I have to say I have had
35:35
Speaker 2: a huge response from my viewers on this issue. It
35:39
Speaker 2: makes me sick in my stomach that we would shoot
35:41
Speaker 2: any animal in this way, in an incredibly inhumane way.
35:48
Speaker 2: But not just any animal. I mean they are part
35:50
Speaker 2: of the Australian story. I mean this hasn't been thought through.
35:53
Speaker 13: Surely look sadly, we don't think so either. I don't
35:57
Speaker 13: think that you implement a multimillion dollar irreversible strategy with
36:05
Speaker 13: taxpayer money when there's a credible alternative that's sitting, as
36:09
Speaker 13: you said, on the Minister's desk, that's been designed by
36:11
Speaker 13: the very sector that can provide that solution. We know
36:16
Speaker 13: that the you know, this decision to go ahead and
36:19
Speaker 13: shoot these incredibly beautiful horses is one that we feel
36:24
Speaker 13: is a bit of a knee jerk. We feel it
36:26
Speaker 13: hasn't been well thought through. The numbers that were released
36:30
Speaker 13: only a couple of weeks ago, after a long time
36:33
Speaker 13: sitting with the minister. You know, they don't pass the
36:37
Speaker 13: pub test, and you certainly don't base an entire strategy
36:40
Speaker 13: on them. The reviewers of those that the government put
36:44
Speaker 13: in place for that very count caution that you can't
36:49
Speaker 13: compare these numbers with the previous counts, and also that
36:52
Speaker 13: these particular numbers may well overstate the numbers. And you know,
36:57
Speaker 13: the COUL advocates say, well, it's simple by you know,
37:00
Speaker 13: the horses don't take a year off just because we
37:02
Speaker 13: do well. Frankly, it's simple biology. Horses aren't rabbits. They
37:06
Speaker 13: can't reproduce that fast. A horse is pregnant for about
37:10
Speaker 13: eleven months, so they're producing maybe one year per mayor
37:14
Speaker 13: the number jump that is being used as an excuse
37:17
Speaker 13: for this cull would have every stallion, every fole, every
37:21
Speaker 13: cult and every mare having two or three foals in
37:24
Speaker 13: one year. So it simply doesn't stack up, And we
37:26
Speaker 13: don't believe that it's been well thought through.
37:30
Speaker 2: You're not wrong, and there's very few multiple berths or
37:33
Speaker 2: multiple pregnancies gestations with horses, as you know. So what's
37:37
Speaker 2: driving it? Why the urgency? Because this has been pushed
37:40
Speaker 2: I feel at as very very quickly, with not enough debate.
37:45
Speaker 13: Look, we think so too, and you make a great point.
37:49
Speaker 13: So we started approaching the Minister several weeks ago with
37:54
Speaker 13: a plan that had been put together by the rehoming
37:57
Speaker 13: and Sanctuary sector very carefully and consultatively within our group.
38:01
Speaker 13: We put it to the Minister that you should just
38:04
Speaker 13: pause for a minute, talk to the sector, consider this plan.
38:09
Speaker 13: And we put that to the Minister and her advisor
38:11
Speaker 13: at least five times in a week. And then interestingly,
38:15
Speaker 13: once we'd said that, look you know where, we'd really
38:18
Speaker 13: love to talk to you, but we're going to take
38:19
Speaker 13: this a bit wider, including out to media, And within
38:23
Speaker 13: hours the numbers had been released, there was calls by
38:27
Speaker 13: cult groups col advocacy groups to start to shoot them
38:30
Speaker 13: because the numbers had surged, and there we go. It
38:33
Speaker 13: was all on with about two weeks notice. And we've
38:36
Speaker 13: had absolutely no response from the Minister to engage with
38:40
Speaker 13: us on this.
38:42
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm looking at the footages on the screen, Jenny,
38:44
Speaker 2: you might be able to see if I'm a few
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Speaker 2: as can. I mean, they are majestic animals, and critics
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Speaker 2: are making the point the environmental damage of something like
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Speaker 2: the snowy hydro too is far more significant on the
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Speaker 2: environment than these animals ever could be. And I've seen
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Speaker 2: pigs shot aerially up in the territory while pigs and bores,
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's a pretty horrific way to go for
39:11
Speaker 2: peril pigs, but let alone beautiful horses. I mean, you're
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Speaker 2: requiring a very accurate shot. I imagine that they will
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Speaker 2: die in great agony, and they're carcasses left to rotten paddocks,
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Speaker 2: which will further entice wild animals. I mean, these are
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Speaker 2: some of the things that happen when you have coals
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Speaker 2: of this magnitude.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, look, that's correct. And look we don't argue that
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Speaker 13: horse numbers need to be managed in the National Park.
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Speaker 13: We would love to see the fragile alpine ecosystems carefully
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Speaker 13: managed as well. What we say is there's another way.
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Speaker 13: It's not kill or nothing else. There is other alternatives
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Speaker 13: that are humane pathways that already exist that don't get
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Speaker 13: a cent of tax payer money, you know, that are
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Speaker 13: off the back of volunteers and locals and private andraising
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Speaker 13: and raffles to remove these horses. You know, by the
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Speaker 13: government's own count, since twenty twenty one, there's been over
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Speaker 13: a thousand removed by these groups.
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Speaker 4: Alone.
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Speaker 13: And the challenge is that you know, there used to
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Speaker 13: be you know, more than twenty rehoming groups out there
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Speaker 13: taking horses that are trapped by national parks. And then
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Speaker 13: a few years ago, after an inquiry into the rehoming,
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Speaker 13: there was I believe quite rightly and increase in standards
40:27
Speaker 13: required to be an approved re hoomer. But the way
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Speaker 13: that it was implemented is it was very short notice
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Speaker 13: and a large number of these rehomers were just simply
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Speaker 13: not able to afford to keep going. And so we
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Speaker 13: only have four approved re hoomers at the moment, but
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Speaker 13: we have an entire ecosystem of experts and rehomers who
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Speaker 13: have been doing this for years who would love to
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Speaker 13: be able to step up if there was only a
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Speaker 13: little bit of support, a little bit like what is
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Speaker 13: supplied to the you know, to the kill groups.
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Speaker 2: Jenny, you're so articulate. How could people support you? Where
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Speaker 2: could people go to join this campaign? Because I know,
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Speaker 2: as I said, a lot of people have contacted me
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Speaker 2: the very emotional I'm emotional about this issue. How can
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Speaker 2: we support you?
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Speaker 4: Oh?
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Speaker 13: Look, thank you.
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Speaker 2: Look.
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Speaker 13: I think for us the most important thing is we
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Speaker 13: would really love the minister to engage with us. We
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Speaker 13: know that you know people that have been in vage.
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Speaker 2: Have you met with her, Jenny, have you met with her?
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Speaker 13: No, we received the formulaic. We'll get back to you,
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Speaker 13: and then we've got all the ministers very busy and
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Speaker 13: nothing else at all, not one thing that's outrageous.
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Speaker 2: If you're only one of four sanctuaries, how can you
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Speaker 2: make a decision to cull thousands of horses and you
41:38
Speaker 2: are one of the only four places where these horses
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Speaker 2: can be held as a refuge.
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Speaker 13: Well, in fact, the re Hoomers have gotten together as
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Speaker 13: a group along with the Sanctuaries and the Australian Brumby
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Speaker 13: Alliance and the Snow Mountains Brumby Registry. So a lot
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Speaker 13: of the people who have you know, generations of history
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Speaker 13: and experience in looking after and rehoming these beautiful horses.
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Speaker 13: You know, this is as you said before, this is
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Speaker 13: part of our history and our folklore. So you know,
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Speaker 13: these people have been out there for years and we
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Speaker 13: would just like the Minister to listen to the plan
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Speaker 13: that we have put forward. And the plan is quite simple.
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Speaker 13: It's pause for a minute. You don't need to start
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Speaker 13: shooting right now these horses won't be reproducing at you know,
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Speaker 13: three hundred percent every year. Just pause, and what we'd
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Speaker 13: like to ask is for a truly co designed strategy
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Speaker 13: for managing horse numbers, with the rehoming and the non
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Speaker 13: lethal alternatives as the centerpiece as the default in a sense,
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Speaker 13: rather than you know, all of these lobby group who
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Speaker 13: is getting the ear of the minister and a lot
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Speaker 13: of money and a lot of taxpayer money allocated to
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Speaker 13: kill these horses unnecessarily. So we want the minister and
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Speaker 13: government to pause to work with the sector.
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Speaker 2: I was involved with.
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Speaker 13: The policy for accessible parks and there was a truly
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Speaker 13: independently facilitated, co designed plan with like that, and then
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Speaker 13: we'd like some of that money allocated to rehoming and
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Speaker 13: sanctuary to build the capacity so that we can be
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Speaker 13: that solution.
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Speaker 2: I'll leave it there, Jenny. I'm afraid I'm out of time,
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Speaker 2: but I'm saying in my audience, please don't contact me.
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Speaker 2: I am providing on this issue. You need to contact
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Speaker 2: Penny Sharp and Chris Min's. You need to get onto
43:28
Speaker 2: them tonight. You to keep going harder and harder and
43:30
Speaker 2: harder and make your position known to the liberal opposition
43:33
Speaker 2: the National Party there in New South Wales as well.
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Speaker 2: I will stay on the issue though, Jenny, thanks and
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Speaker 2: I will come back to you and all the very best.
43:41
Speaker 2: There you go. Come, let's see what we can do
43:43
Speaker 2: to fight this issue. As I say, the coal will
43:46
Speaker 2: start again tomorrow, we think quick break after the break,
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Speaker 2: my panel on Nicole Flint and Jamie Rogers, welcome back,
43:58
Speaker 2: lady's apologies from the outset. Nickole Flinn's join me now
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Speaker 2: from South Australia of course a form of fiddle MP
44:03
Speaker 2: and our host here at Skye use Jamie Rodgers herself
44:06
Speaker 2: on Liberal candidate. We'll get to that in a moment.
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Speaker 2: Apologies ladies. I went longer on the Brumbies issue, but
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Speaker 2: I really wanted to dig into some of the detail.
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Speaker 2: People have asked me in the break Jamie, where are
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Speaker 2: the liberals on this? Well, the Liberals supported the repeal
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Speaker 2: of legislation that protected the Brumbies, so they are in
44:23
Speaker 2: the camp with labor on the cull. Then that's though
44:27
Speaker 2: they're violently opposed to the areal culing of these horses.
44:30
Speaker 2: But I have to say, I mean they're iconic and
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Speaker 2: I think it's horrific that there's talk of an aerial
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Speaker 2: cull tomorrow. Jamie.
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Speaker 14: Oh, it's just awful, Peter. But listening to Jenny before,
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Speaker 14: I think it's quite shameful that Penny Sharp hasn't even
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Speaker 14: bothered to contact her to hear from the industry side
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Speaker 14: of how they can fix this with rehoming, which is
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Speaker 14: also cheaper. There are other options, so they need to
44:54
Speaker 14: entertain them. There's also a change dot org petition that
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Speaker 14: I came across today that has two hundred and twenty
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Speaker 14: thousan signatures on it. So there's outrage amongst the community, Peter,
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Speaker 14: and we need to make sure that this culling from
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Speaker 14: the sky doesn't happen.
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Speaker 2: It is just awful, all right. Kelly Slane needs a
45:10
Speaker 2: call from you as well everyone at home, Chris Mins
45:13
Speaker 2: and and the Liberals as well. Nicole, you know you
45:17
Speaker 2: copped it like no other woman I've seen in politics
45:21
Speaker 2: with horrific personal abuse when you were an MP. And
45:24
Speaker 2: I listened to the Prime Minister today talk about his
45:27
Speaker 2: misogyny and stand in behind just sint to Alan but
45:32
Speaker 2: this was drawn to my attention. This is the Prime
45:34
Speaker 2: Minister slagging off against a woman in the Parliament. Have
45:38
Speaker 2: a listen, this is the only way to get a
45:42
Speaker 2: member of a balarovsh on a point of order. Smasher right,
45:49
Speaker 2: ditch the witch he hates, but smash is allowed according
45:52
Speaker 2: to the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 6: Well, of course it is, Peter, because if labor didn't
45:57
Speaker 6: have double standards, they wouldn't have any standard all, would they.
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Speaker 6: I wrote the Prime Minister multiple times about John and
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Speaker 6: Shanks Marcavenna, that awful, nasty piece of work in Sydney,
46:08
Speaker 6: saying distance yourself from him, Prime Minister. He is a misogynist,
46:12
Speaker 6: and the PM refused to do anything. So he only
46:15
Speaker 6: stands up for women on the left, could not care
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Speaker 6: less about women on the right. He is a hypocrite
46:21
Speaker 6: and he is and we know he's a huge disappointment
46:25
Speaker 6: to the nation in every single way.
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Speaker 2: And I made the point JV the top of the show.
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Speaker 2: The most misogynistic piece of legislation was passed by our
46:34
Speaker 2: first female Prime minister two days before she was Douneed.
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Speaker 14: You were spot on with your opening editorial, Peter, because
46:42
Speaker 14: I must say that was some of the first thoughts
46:44
Speaker 14: that I had when I saw the outrage from Albanizi
46:47
Speaker 14: and a lot of the labor MPs around this billboard,
46:50
Speaker 14: as I thought, you all can't even define what a
46:53
Speaker 14: woman is. And looking in Victoria under the Alan government,
46:56
Speaker 14: they've allowed to have biological men enter into women's they're
47:00
Speaker 14: not standing up for women in that area. They're not
47:02
Speaker 14: standing up for biological women in sport. And yet just
47:05
Speaker 14: into Alan put in her tweet that she's standing up
47:08
Speaker 14: for women in the workplace and women in leadership. But
47:11
Speaker 14: you know what, you need to be able to actually
47:13
Speaker 14: define what a woman is. You can now say and
47:15
Speaker 14: use it as the victim car to try and get
47:17
Speaker 14: some points leading into November. But looking at the comments, Peter,
47:21
Speaker 14: she has been absolutely roasted with everyone saying what I
47:24
Speaker 14: was thinking, what's a woman? If you can't define it,
47:27
Speaker 14: you cannot come out and claim sexism and misogyny.
47:32
Speaker 2: Nicole, you've been an MP in camera, give me your
47:36
Speaker 2: take on this. Arnaica Wells spends three hundred and thirty
47:40
Speaker 2: seven dollars for one single com car trip. Some of
47:44
Speaker 2: her rides are as long as three k's. This is
47:46
Speaker 2: in and around camera. This says to me that she
47:50
Speaker 2: books the car and then she has the arrogance to
47:53
Speaker 2: keep them with the meter running. Basically, these are short trips.
47:57
Speaker 2: They should be much much less than this. She could walk,
48:00
Speaker 2: wouldn't hurt her, She'd get an uber, wouldn't hurt her.
48:02
Speaker 2: But she's keeping people waiting. That's why these numbers are high. Peter,
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Speaker 2: How does she still have her job?
48:08
Speaker 6: How has the Prime Minister not sacked this incompetent minister
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Speaker 6: who has been taking the Australian people, the Australian taxpayers literally.
48:18
Speaker 2: Godnist, Nicole, you're being mis nondnist. It's not just the.
48:23
Speaker 6: Comcas waiting around for her to do something that could
48:25
Speaker 6: be covered by what a ten doller uber fair right,
48:28
Speaker 6: which she can claim, by the way, it's her taking
48:30
Speaker 6: her family to the what was it the cricket and
48:34
Speaker 6: skiing at Fedbro Threadbow or wherever it was, I don't know,
48:38
Speaker 6: and also to other very sporting events.
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Speaker 2: She has been taking us for a ride. She needs
48:44
Speaker 2: to be sacked. She'd be going if she was a bloke,
48:48
Speaker 2: I reckon, wouldn't she, Jamie?
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Speaker 14: Or if she was in the coalition Peter, she would
48:53
Speaker 14: have rolled fair a long time ago. Because the media
48:56
Speaker 14: is a lot harder on the liberal side of politics
48:59
Speaker 14: than what they are and labor.
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Speaker 2: Spot on. You two you're amazing and that's not a
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Speaker 2: gender car. That's just really good too. Fabulous people who
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Speaker 2: join me here on the panel on a Monday night.
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Speaker 2: Thank you to you both. I'll see you all tomorrow
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Speaker 2: night at six. His Andrew